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Most overrated game in history of overrated games

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Just played this game to see what all the fuss was about.
Worst fucking game in history. It's so cringey I turned off the console a dozen of times during the cut scenes.
What does /v/ think of it?
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>>376609938
it was alright, just finished it 2 days ago
the ending was a bit meh though
but liked the atmosphere, the detailed world, the suspense and the interactions between characters
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>>376609938
it's an amerilard VIDEOgame.
Shit like their movies.
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>>376609938
Agreed, most exclusives are insanely overrated, the best examples I can thinks of:
>pic related
>all uncharted games
>all halo games
>all gears of war games
>all zelda games
>anything nintendo exclusive

They are not bad games, but they are not as good as its fans claim they are
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>>376610773
>pic related
>no pic
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>>376609938
>le cringe
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This game is easily in my top 3 games ever just because of the amazing gameplay

The story is also pretty good for a game
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>>376609938
I liked the game. I agree it was overrated though. It was fun and had a neat story but wasn't revolutionary or anything
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>>376610863
I meant OP's pic
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>>376611174
>amazing gameplay
You don't play that many video games do you?
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>>376611260
Exactly my thoughts.
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>>376611174
>The story is also pretty good for a game
>condemn humanity because of feefees
Absolutely Progressive
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>>376611269
I play a ton and mostly on PC
Last of us is one of the few console games I played

People who think the gameplay of the last of us is bad didn't play it

Simple as that
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>>376609938
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>>376611460
okay /pol/ whatever you say
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>>376610141
without the ending the game would've been completely toothless
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The same post over and over. Sage it and move on.
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>>376609938

>people STILL asshurt about this game
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>>376611460
>man stays true to his family values
Absolutely Progressive!
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>>376611648
Yea I'm not sure what that guy means
The ending is the perfect ending for Joel, his characters come full circle
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>>376610773
so essentially, literally every noteworthy first party IP.

let me guess. you have 1000+ hours of TF2 and have the most impressive hat collection ever.
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TLOU is a masterpiece and deserves every ounce of praise
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>>376611613
>/pol/
u fucking wut
>>376611786
>man stays true to his family values
i didn't see any family in that game
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>>376610773
You think calling something overrated does anything?
It's such a inane comment, literally brings nothing to the table
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>>376611854
>i didn't see any family in that game
half of the game is spent taking your surrogate daughter to your brothers house and the ending is spent going back to live with your brother
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>>376611786
The best part of the ending is when Joel finally admits to himself he always had a choice, even when he was doing terrible things

"I'm a survivor" was just his excuse

The last of us is really his story, not Ellies really
She's just there to serve his storyline
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>>376612026
I agree but muh ellie is going to be the protagonist of the next game even though druckman can't write women because 1. he isn't a woman and 2. he views men as defective women (which isn't what they are)
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>>376611741
It's bad.
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If after Tess's death you were in Joel shoes, would you had sex with Ellie?
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>>376612125
That isn't that much of an issue since Joel's story is pretty much over

I'm worried since you're right, he really can't write women

Pretty much no men can write them good

But at least he's not forcing the story to be Joel's again
There's nothing left to explore there
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>>376612010
You mean the part where someone takes care of someone else child?
This entire game is packed with progressive rhetoric.
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I made the mistake of playing this after RE4 and damn... The moves are just sluggish and the melee is just so frustating: Joel takes forever to hit anything and the range of the hit is too limited so you're almost never sure to do any damage, and of course if you miss you're almost sure to get some damage. And you will have to use the melee because ammo is so limited.

It almost feels like the developper thought that if the game was fun it wouldn't be considered "serious" anymore. It's a shame because i like the level design and the "boss fight" in the gym was fun. But I just couldn't bear that gameplay.
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>>376610773
Oh fuck off. Please feel free to bless uns with YOUR godlike opinion on which game you think beats any of those and watch as everybody in here tears your shitty opinion to shreds.

Like most of the special snowflake cock loving twinks on this board, you just hate anything that is popular. You probably think pussy is overrated too. Stick to choking on dicks, you'll love it.
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>>376612542
You can escape enemy sight and sneak past them completely or take them down one by one

The limited ammo is why the gameplay shines
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>>376612487
the childs biological mother is dead and her father is unknown and he kills the childs pretend mother because he wants her

joel is a cold motherfucker who tortures people, I agree the game has progressive rhetoric in it (because it's a critique of toxic masculinity) but joel's character isn't where it manifests
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>>376609938
Fun for one playthrough but I played it for free, so. Didn't play the DLC and only fun about all the SJW shit later on.
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>>376612794
How is it a critique of toxic masculinity?
The fuck
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>>376612810
Is he a ((( )))?
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>>376612851
joel is toxic to everyone around him and it manifests in his masculine behavior, also the lead writer said so
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>>376612794
Does it manifest in the underage interracial homosexual relationship?
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>>376612970
yes, obviously

why?
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>>376611460
It wasn't supposed to be an ending where he makes an objectively right choice.

It's supposed to upset you, while also leaving you in a position where it's hard to argue for the other side. There's a reason everyone grasps at straws to try and make the ending seem like Joel really did make the correct choice, but he really didn't.

As an ending it worked perfectly and only an autistic person or someone suffering from some manner of genuine emotional disorder or just a stunted person in general would have a hard time understanding this.
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>>376612935
ya think?
>>376613064
Because this entire game can be read as pure propaganda.
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>>376613151
and? all art is propaganda
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>>376612957
Idk, I'm sure at this point that Neil just sucks the SJW dick for the sake of it

He fucking wrote Joel's story because he would do what Joel did in that situation, he said that before that comment for sure
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>>376613147
>As an ending it worked perfectly and only an autistic person or someone suffering from some manner of genuine emotional disorder or just a stunted person in general would have a hard time understanding this.
Which is why 95% of this place has exactly that problem.
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>Joel killed every last one of the fireflies in that building for Ellie
>now Ellie will do the same for Joel in Part II

Pottery
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>>376613151
Wow, I cant even pretend to be surprised anymore.
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>>376612626
Not him but holy shit anon, project a little less, bby. I don't know if you knew but saying something is overrated doesn't mean it's bad. There's no reason to give yourself a aneurism.
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>>376613147
Joel is very sympathetic
The man had a hard life, lost everything, lives in a terrible world, is a lonely mess

That's why even tho it should be easy to judge him, it's really hard

That's really good writing right there
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OP's over exaggerating.
Or just shitposting about a game he hasn't played.
This is like the third OP I've seen this month with the same text but for different games.

It's an alright game that gets really hard on higher difficulties. That said the story and atmosphere is what makes it worth it

It still is over hyped as fuck though.
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It's overrated but it wasn't shit.

Uncharted on the other hand... what a shitty franchise.
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>>376613147
Its pretty fucking easy to understand because its basically child behaviour. And you are telling me the ending was suppose to be bad? Merely pretending I guess.
>>376613204
Not this in your face annoying. I can take a lesbian couple, I can take a children liking each other, thats pretty normal, but this is just packed so fucking hard its spilling.
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>>376613498
This. 4chan is full of retards.
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>>376611789

>Parkourcharted
Linear,repetitive,on rails,no reasons to play it more than two times
>Halo
Squeakers first game
>Gears of Wars
More linear,boring and repetitive than a straight line
>Zelda
Witness me
>Nintendo
>Buying Nintendo games
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"Overrated" has no meaning here. Too much contrarianism.

>game is unknown
>/v/ likes it
>/v/ and other communities talk about it until it is known and popular
>/v/ now hates it because it is overrated
>game gets old and normies stop talking about it
>/v/ likes it again
>/v/ then reacts to the people who like it again by not liking it even more
Ad infinitum.
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>>376612626
anon he said they were overrated, not trash-tier
Overrated doesn't mean bad, hell, most of the games there are pretty good. It just means people who herald that series as the second coming of Jesus are probably wrong.
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>>376613565
>Not this in your face annoying. I can take a lesbian couple, I can take a children liking each other, thats pretty normal, but this is just packed so fucking hard its spilling.

propaganda is always in your face, you just don't care about it because you see the status quo (or what you're used to) as an apolitical default position
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>>376613401
Yes, the entire 8-12 hour long story is just asking the question if you had to choose between what you considered your own kid and literally countless people youd almost guaranteed pick your own kid, but you'd still be haunted by what you did. It'd tear you apart forever, but you'd still choose. That's exactly why Joel is so easy to like and also so easy to hate.
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>>376613672
>propaganda is always in your face
false you fucking faggot
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>>376611789
>implying I play shit like TF2
I never said those games are shit, just overrated
>>376611882
That is the point of thread, and remember, we're in /v/, every comment here is inane with nothing to bring to the table
>>376612626
>He has a different opinion than mine so its shit
You are a fucking whinny faggot, go back to choking on corporate cock and accepting anything that big companies vomit down your throat
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>>376613640
The problem is he says that like he added anything to the conversation when in reality it adds nothing

>>376613689
Pretty much
I really love his character, for any media he would be great

The fact he's such a psycho in a game without being CRAZYYYYY XD or full on edge for the sake of it is such a rare thing to see in any media yet alone games
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>>376613762
no, not false
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>>376613906
no u
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>>376609938
A guy I once new said during TLOU he was crying. Let it be no surprise I do not associate with that faggot any more.
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>>376612810
Id like to point out, that to an extend, diversity IS just as important, but not in the way you're assuming.
There's a difference between diversity just for "muh diversity" or diversity to make each character identifiable and not fall into the crowd of generic "literally who's," and even then, it's not just restricted to skin color.
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>>376610473
I know you euros are starving right now, so I'm gonna donate this (you). Hope you get better soon
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>>376613824
Some people here are talking about the game and aren't just insulting each other tho
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>>376614016
>breaking up with your boyfriend because he cried over a game
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I didn't like how it was so super serious all the time, only attempted humor in the whole game was sarcastic remarks, fucking really Naughty Dog?
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>>376614034
Well, you're playing as a lesbian, the evil guys are all white, and you meet gay people even though everyone's dead. Even when I didn't know he was SJW it was still ridiculous.
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>>376614075
>implying I was the one that started with the insults
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>>376613565
The ending is supposed to leave you conflicted. You're supposed to agree with Marlene on a rational level while agreeing with Joel on an emotional one.

If it wasn't Ellie on the operating table, but a different kid you didn't know, would Joel have bothered to stop Marlene, and by extension, would you?
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>>376609938
>cringey
It's one of the most well written games in history. Go play some anime games instead,
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>>376614124
yeah why don't you slip over on any bird doodoo and fight a fat guy in rollerskates
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>>376614056
I'm not yuro, amerilard.
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>>376614161
We didn't know she was lesbian til the dlc came long (im not complaining, it gives me more to fap to), there were black guys in the hunters AND the fireflies, the only gay guy was Bill.
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>>376614219
Exactly.
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>>376614265
Is she really a confirmed lesbian tho? Or was the kiss a one-time thing she did as a kid?
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>>376614194
you're not supposed to agree with joel on an emotional level at the very ending, that's why you're forced to kill the doctors in a scripted sequence and after he lies to ellie you take control of her tagging along

you're supposed to understand that joel has stolen something very important from ellie and he did it for selfish reasons and then lied about it because he knew she wouldn't accept the truth
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>>376614194
>agreeing with Joel on an emotional one
If Ellie didn't have the immunity I would have thrown her of a bridge a long time ago.
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>>376614347
That's something I'm asking too, though I also question whether she really understands gender restriction on who she falls in love with or not, because she was born AFTER the outbreak, which means she was too busy trying to survive at the time when she would learn such a thing.
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>>376609938
>I turned off the console a dozen of times during the cut scenes
Yes you seem like an intelligent person, I really value your opinion.
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>>376614265
>the only gay guy was Bill.
You forget about his faggot lover. Honestly, anyone who says tlou has a great story needs to shut the fuck up. If anything that's the most overrated thing about it. It's obvious those idiots have never spent any time reading books whatsoever. People think it's a good story because it's familiar and it's similar to all the Hollywood movies they've seen, and even then those movies are superior to tlou. Logan shits on the last of us.
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>>376614321
there is actually humor in the game though, like joel trying to cover up the fact that he used to try to pick up girls at cafes and ellie's tomboyish shenanigans

it's not my kind of humor but at least it keeps a consistent tone and it builds on the character drama so FUCK YOU
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What caused more butthurt.

Bloodborne, Last of Us, Bayonetta 2 or Zelda?
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>>376614512
The only gay guy that appeared *alive,* anon. Even if you're counting his lover, those are still two characters out of a sizable cast.
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>>376614602
Witcher 3
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>>376614347
>>376614438

it's confirmed by druckman but I think it's naive and not true to life to believe a teenager like ellie has a fixed orientation instead of exploring her sexuality
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>>376614528
>like joel trying to cover up the fact that he used to try to pick up girls at cafes

What part do you mean exactly?

>>376614347
>>376614438
She is I think the writers confirmed it I think
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>>376614438
Yeah, I'm curious how they will handle her love life in the new game.
Imagine the shitstorm if the kiss in LB was a one-time thing and she went full straight road in the sequel.
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>>376614375
Which doesn't change the fact that most people would still do what Joel did and would also have lied to Ellie.

In that moment a dads not going to care about what she wants he's just going to blow the doctor away.
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>>376614512
the last of us has a familiar plot obviously, but the plot isn't the only thing in the story, and in fact it's one of the least emphasized parts

the character drama, which is the spine of the game, is unique and interesting and it would be welcome in literature desu

t- guy who reads
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>>376614736
The shitstorm is why I think they'll keep her a lezbo
Which is pretty gay
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>>376614684
optional conversation just before the hotel lobby
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>>376614631
>out of a sizable cast
Are you fucking kidding me, there's like 7 people in the entire game, 3 of them being black, 3 of them are gay. The only normal dude in the game is fucking Joel. The only other white dude you meet is a fucking pedophile for crying out loud.
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>>376611882
It should. Calling something overrated means you need to re-examine the item in question.
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>>376614907
What does Joel say?
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>>376609938
It's mediocre. In the end the whole game was a glorified escort quest but it wasn't that bad. I'd say 6.5/10
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>>376614938
Haha I actually forgot about those 2 black guys
I was thinking why you said 3 black people and not 1

That was a great suicide tho

>>376614958
What would do that is some actual criticism, not IT'S OVERRATED

It means nothing
Point something, tell us why it's not good

You know, an actual discussion, not just a buzzword
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>>376614983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYVSDN7TwmY
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>>376614938
You forgot Marlene, you forgot Joel's brother and his wife,
cmon anon, at least try.
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NieR: Automata is probably the most overrated game on /v/ ever. I sincerely have never seen such mediocrity praised so highly here before. The only actual well done thing about the game was the music.
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>>376609938
witcher 3 claims that title
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>>376615174
Thx
His voice actor is really great
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>>376614512
>People think it's a good story because it's familiar and it's similar to all the Hollywood movies they've seen, and even then those movies are superior to tlou. Logan shits on the last of us.
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It's a good video game anyone yelling "HUR MOVIE GAME SHIT" hasn't played it or is just shitposting.

Playing on Grounded is one of the best Stealth horror experiences ever made.
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>>376609938
This game is the story of the current generation. For better or for worse.
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It's a pretty solid game, but not worthy of all the 10/10s.
It's beautifully detailed, the sneaky gunplay while managing resources is good, the gore is great and it's mostly well written. But it still has some pacing issues, the setting despite being pulled off well is cliche and the AI can be pretty inconsistent.
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>>376615357
THIS
It's pretty much a horror game at that point and as hard as balls
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>>376615357
I really liked the higher difficulties until the game forces you into a bottleneck at Ish's lair where you have to fight a horde with nothing and there's no way to actually stay hidden.
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It's an 8 at best. Anyone who calls this game a masterpiece is seriously delusional or haven't played any games at all.
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>>376615656
I'd give it a 10
The game does what it sets out perfectly
And even if everything is not perfect, well, nothing ever is
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Anyone play the multiplayer here?
Name your best moments.
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>>376610773
They are not overrated, they are total trash.
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>>376610773
>the original halo trilogy was overrated
do you know how wrong you are
>uncharted 2
>bad
wrong
>gears of war
Again, the original trilogy was awesome.
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>>376609938
It's ok, all games are for different tastes. You can't call it overrated if you don't enjoy what its about. It's like liking classical music and call hip hop overrated because its everywhere and popular.
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>>376611460
The story is shit because ebil white gubmint only kills people and rations food, while fireflies murder people and loot food.
Truly a moral dillema for the ages
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>>376609938
You mean Ocarina of Time, right?
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>>376611460
I genuinely feel sorry for you if that's all you were able to understand from the story.
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>>376617196
nah. oot at least is a videogame, not a movie like tlou
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>>376611174
This. The game is only overrated in the sense that everyone just praises the story and pretends like the gameplay and 10/10 presentation are all just there to support the plot. The story is really good and all, but the gameplay is the reason I replayed it and got so into the multiplayer (which is the gameplay in its purest form, ofc) for literally hundreds of hours
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>>376613147
I liked the ending because Joel did what he wanted to do, not what we, the audience expected him to do. It may not be the most perfectly logical or correct choice, but certainly is something true to his character. I liked that they dared avoiding going full Hollywood.
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The story/presentation of TLOU is pretty good, just not to the point of being really noteworthy. Had it been a TV show I wouldn't have finished it because there are tons of masterpieces of film and tv that I still haven't seen.
I don't mind stories in games not being on the level of the best TV and film, but if that story is supposed to be the main grab of the game it'll have to do something interesting with its nature as a game, which TLOU didn't.

To me the best parts of TLOU are the following:
>ammo balancing
I played my first and only playthrough on grounded and was always perfectly desperate for ammo. The illusion kind of broke at times when enemies visibly started dropping more ammo as I got closer to running out, but all in all the effect was well maintained.

>active weapon limit and the backpack
Sadly it only happened two or three times in my playthrough, but having to scramble for space to switch weapons from the backpack during a fight was really great. The big guy in the gym forced me to do just that and it was a fantastic little bit of added stress.

Beyond those two things I wasn't impressed by the game. It was serviceable and generic, but fairly polished besides the terrible AI.
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>>376617727
It's always a nice change of pace in video games when the hero isn't some unrealistically morally superior being who always does what is best for everyone
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>>376617681
Yes true
I really hope they won't fuck up the last of us 2

>>376617727
Yea it's nice to play someone who is a person on their own and not just a hero
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>>376609938
>Most overrated game in history of overrated games
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>>376609938
you might be too immature to let yourself indulge in sentimentality.
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>>376614602
Bloodborne was massive, you could not discuss that game without shitposters drowning your thread out for at least 1,5 years after release. Only sone months after the DLC droppec did /v/ start to appreciate it.

TLOU on the other hand...you still can't really discuss the game here, so I guess this wins.
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>>376618021
This is incorrect. Press Start to Try again.
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>>376609938
>posting TLOU instead of BoTW
OP you had one job!
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>>376610773
>all gears of war games

I don't care about the rest, but:

I'm sorry you feel so insecure you need to shitpost behind anonymity in a video games topic. I played my first FPS (Doom) when I was 5yo and let me tell you, first GoW was revolutionary, with FANTASTIC weapons (to be fair, there weren't that many of them and Hammerburst is completely forgetable) and very fast paced multi comparable with its pacing to UT. 2 and 3 had their flaws but at least they were competent (MP) to superb (SP).

Haven't played Judgment/4, mind you, but I've heard only bad things about them.
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>>376618351
>rated 97
>not overrated
yeah, sure whatever you say.
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>>376618021
That isn't Half-Life 2
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>>376609938
I agree OP. Gave up at Pittsburgh. Boring stealth, horrible gunplay. Can't see shit.
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>>376618324
>You can't discuss the game
What? Every TLOU thread ever has discussion about the controversial ending. Some like it, some hate it. What you meant to say is nombody agrees with what's been discussed. But having different opinion on a game is what makes a great game. Shows how much you cared for it.
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>>376609938
Really? I haven't heard of it.
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>>376618021
only by critic scores.
Any casual gamer can become an obsessed fan of TLOU, but you have to already be a nintenbro to get on that same level of obsession with Zelda
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>>376612957
>toxic

He's a murderer/torturer that gets some 'pass' for:

a) being a video game protagonist. Because he's being controlled by us and applying any judgement on his might make 'us' feel partially guilty, which us faggots playing video games really dislike (most of the time)

b) living in post-apoc setting, where it's kill to be killed, even though that exact mindset is shown to be the reason things (society/civilization) went to hell.
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>>376618021
I was waiting for this.

>Delayed for years
>Still incomplete, hence the season pass
>When they marketed it, they focused on shrines being unique and interesting when 90% of them have the same copy-pasted puzzle or concept
>They are clearly running out of ideas for the story at this point and using ideas that have been done to death already
>The open world aspect is well done, the map is huge but there is fuck all to do besides grind for rupees to pad out the game even more
>The only challenge this game introduces are Lynels
>The four main bosses are reskins
>The whole "You can do anything" schtick is broken when you have to go do fetch quests for just about every main part of the story
>People end up complaining about weapon durability and inventory management when they make for good concepts, they were just done poorly in this game
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>>376609938
I enjoyed it early on. Basically up until his partner dies.

But the gameplay can't sustain me past that, and the story is definitely overrated. It's like a YA novel really - which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's made out to be something it's not. It gets compared to films. If it was actually released as a film it would be laughed at. The hype around it really opened my eyes to the low standards/general obliviousness to other mediums of the average gamer when it comes to that stuff.

I think the clickers are a cool idea for an enemy, but they completely undermined them by introducing bloaters shortly afterwards. Just something about killing giant monsters with mushroom armour with flamethrowers doesn't fit with the "gritty" feel they were going for.

The soundtrack is very good, possibly the only thing that isn't overrated.

Definitely a lot better than what I've played of Uncharted, though.
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>>376619160
Pic related.
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>>376609938
That's not GTA IV
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>>376618106
What sentimentality? How the fuck is Joel a sentimental character? He's given an extremely obvious binary choice every single time. The humanity that surrounds him is explicitly one of three constants:
>A bloodthirsty murderer/bandit
>A lying bloodthirsty murderer/bandit
>A "friendly" survivor who will quickly either be left behind in order to keep Joel/Ellie moving, or will die off just as fast
He never once has to make a "tough" decision in this game. Even his choice in the Fireflies is so obviously warped by how clearly incompetent and desperate they were, to the point where it turns into a debate of "Will you let them kill Ellie for a vague probably 5% chance at fixing the virus that has already ravaged the earth?" instead of "Will you sacrifice your daughter to save humanity?"

Nothing Joel ever does is written such that I have a reason to empathize with him. He's written like a Resident Evil hero and every fan of this drivel pretends he's anything more than this.
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>>376609938
Druckman putting in his anti Trump agenda in the sjw game makes me hope the sequel fails. How do you even shoehorn an anti trump political message in this game?
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>>376620318
Wanna elaborate on this so called anti-Trump agenda /pol/ friend?
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>>376620318
>anti-trump agenda
>2013
you're fucking obsessed my man
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>>376609938
was honestly shocked how railroaded you are in the first few hours, got bored really quick
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>>376609938
Not possible when Skyrim exists.
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>>376620619
>Story and character driven game
>Complain that you can't change the story they are telling
The fuck? Why people play games randomly? Is if like i go to a getto expecting to listen to Bach and complain that their music is shit.
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>>376620295
Even the writers said Ellie would have cured humanity

There's even some recordings you can find there that confirm that as well

Also, Joel admits he killed innocent people and that he himself was one of those bloodthirsty cunts you kill the entire game

His brother also makes it clear that Joel is a psycho
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>>376620295
This.

Everything we learn about Joel points to him being a deranged asshole.

He was a Hunter and killed innocent people
Brought his brother into that life and ruined thier relationship over it
Takes on Ellie as a surrogate daughter despite her clearly not wanting that.
Ruins humanity because he misses his real daughter.

I have no doubt TLoU 2 is gonna paint Joel as the monster he is.
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>>376620868
>Even the writers said Ellie would have cured humanity
This is in literally zero way relayed to the player during his "Serious choice". You're placed inside of some derelict hospital with gun-armed thugs who clearly have no intention of bothering with you, after hearing about how violent and dangerous the Fireflies are the entire game, and some back-alley "surgeon" is in charge of the operation.
>There's even some recordings you can find there that confirm that as well
Link me. Again, I know that she is absolutely the cure to the Cordyceps, but the debate is muddled thoroughly by how successful they would be at extracting this cure.
>Also, Joel admits he killed innocent people and that he himself was one of those bloodthirsty cunts you kill the entire game
Yes, and he is quickly forgiven in all respects by everybody because those "innocents" never mattered in the first place, and he has virtually zero moral hangups at any point in the game beyond "I had to do what I had to do, leave me alone".
>His brother also makes it clear that Joel is a psycho
Multiple characters lambast Joel for his nutty behavior. This doesn't make me feel sentimental for him in the slightest.

Honestly, it's literally an inferior Lisa: The Painful. Brad was incredibly sentimental because his circumstances were shitty from the bottom to the top, he was hounded by a physical manifestation of his past failures, his friends betray him, and his own daughter figure is so absolutely horrified by his monstrous form upon their last meeting that him simply asking for a hug prompts a decision marker. He's treated like a violent monster throughout the entire game, and all he wanted to do was save someone from the fucked up world around them. Joel, on the other hand, is treated like a hero from start to finish, primarily justified by how 99% of people you encounter are armed to the tooth and adopt a strict "Shoot first, ask questions never" mentality.
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>>376620850
So it's just a bad game.
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