Closing down alongside Hitman & Deus Ex

>>376609168
I thought they had a new IP coming late this year or early next year

>>376609168
its only bioware montreal, the third studio (C Team) and its not even closing down

>>376609985
delayed

neither the last hitman nor deus ex were truely bad

>>376609168
But Hitman is 100% gameplay. Say what you will about it, but it barely had a story and no one played it for the story.

>>376612270
Denuvo, episodic and online ughh. I liked it and only got it recently because of dumb episodic nature. They kinda shot themselves in foot there

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>>376610168
Thats EA talk for "We are going to fire all these fucks soon and that game is never happening. BUY FIFA AND MADDEN!"

Bioware is fucked.

>>376610168
Montreal is the Mass Effect team. So is C their top?

>>376613056
montreal is andromeda's team
the first three mass effects were made by edmonton

>>376612384
>Denuvo, episodic and online
This. A game can survive one but put it together and you're down for a crash. Hitman barely made an impact.

>>376613168
Is Edmonton releasing a new IP then? They haven't done anything since ME3.

>Closing down

But that's wrong you retard. The team EA is downsizing is their Montreal team which they simply renamed to being a Bioware studio for name recognition

>>376613351
yes, but it got delayed to 2019 i believe

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>>376609168
>Bioware Montreal closes

And nothing of value was lost.

>>376609168
>THE GAMING REVOLUTION HAS BEGUN

>hopes
>dreams

Reality.

>>376610168
>its only bioware montreal

Which games did these guys develop?

>>376614030

Before Andromeda they were pretty much just a support studio for the Edmonton studio

>>376614353
So Andromeda was their first game?

That explains a few things

>>376614353
And they are back into being a support studio. What the fuck were they thinking making a bunch of inexperienced fuck with sticks up their asses to create a game that has a name to live up to?

>>376614571
>a name to live up to?

To what? The garbage that was mass effect 3?

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>>376609168
You're a moron.

This isn't anything that people who have been paying attention for the last decade didn't see coming.

EA takes over a studio, fires everyone with a decent salary, then proceeds to hire temps that they abuse and then fire for each game in the studio's IP's until the IP's are too damaged to make money off of hype and they shelve the dev name.

Bioware hasn't existed since 2007 when an investment company they had gone to for funding sold their shares to EA allowing a hostile takeover.

I honestly can't tell if y'all are seriously not paying attention to the shit you rant about or if you just have the memory and attention span of a goldfish

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>>376613351
>Is Edmonton releasing a new IP then? They haven't done anything since ME3.

Uh...

>>376609985
Edmonton's new IP has already been specifically stated to not be an RPG and will be online-focused. Sounds like trash.

>>376612384
But the devs didn't do that the publisher did.
Square and EA are going to continue shoving cancer into the industries, they're just adding a couple more corpses to the pile first.

>>376613168
>the first three mass effects were made by edmonton
That's pretty fucking misleading. All three were made by a team calling themselves Bioware Edmonton but 2 and 3 were made mostly with temps and new hires (read: temps who didn't know they'd be temps)

>>376615132
That's what he said anon. They haven't done anything.

>>376615113
t. anime pro.tiff

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>>376616325
t. average american child who believes ignorance is a virtue

become an hero

>>376616253
No, fuck off. Pretending Cisquisition doesn't exist would be excusing its crimes. Not to mention that Andromeda is literally just that game with a sci-fi skin.

>>376609168
source, onegay

>>376616653
Cisquisition is made by BioWare Austin, which is the B team.
again, the main BioWare studio haven't released anything since Mass Effect 3.

>>376616843
>the main BioWare studio
Doesn't fucking exist anymore you massive retard

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>>376609168
>Devs have gotten the message
But Andromeda sold like hotcakes.

>>376614030
They only worked on the Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer and part of the DLCs i think.

>>376609168
>People buy games that balance narrative and gameplay
Fixd. I like my games to have both the problem is the current trend is shoehorn ing writers personal views into the game instead of working on writing a narrative that gets me more immersed in the world

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>>376613351
They are working on a new IP, yeah. I think the working title is Darius or Darren or something like that.
Judging from a comment from the EA king jew it's going to be some online game.
I'd guess something comparable to Destiny or maybe For Honor, some online shit with maximum cash-shop jewery.

>>376609168

>50% of /v/ is threads about the studio that made MEA being turned back into the support studio it was before
>One thread shitposting about the death of BioWare in total
>They believe it
This is the problem, people believe what they want to believe and are too lazy to look anything up.

>>376611305

Both games made a number of big missteps that the industry needs to learn from, though. If a game does well, the only thing that the industry learns is that what they did works.

I think that the CoD era made gaming consumers especially aware that they need to be vocal and spend their dollar in a way that directs the industry in the direction that they want it to go.

>>376616843
>Cisquisition is made by BioWare Austin

No it wasn't. Edmonton did the main development.

The cycle continues....

>>376615113
m8, I hate to tell you this, but most of modern /v/ was 9 in 2007.

>>376616843
>Cisquisition is made by BioWare Austin, which is the B team

Austin were working on Shadow Realms (which got shitcanned) and The Old Republic during Cisquisition's development. The "good" Bioware studio was responsible for Cisquisition.

>This isn't a studio stressed for time, this is a studio that well and truly thought the product they hawked was the real article
That tends to happen when you finish you first game ever.

Hitman was good though.
Too bad about the episodic release, that was fucking stupid

Deus Ex would've been decent if it wasn't for that retarded ending. Seriously everyone was thinking "Wait, that's it?"

Bioware's fall from grace would be an incredibly poignant story if you anthropomorphized them into people.

>>376618764
So the Studio was staffed by starry-eyed idiots who couldn't recognize the deep flaws in their game even if you pointed them out? Did any of these people play previous Mass Effect titles?

Naivete does not excuse what happened with Andromeda.

>>376617115
Source?

>>376609168

good, look at the montreal staff facebook or other social medias , they hired cosplay mental idiot fans with no experiences and the pooinloo guy didnt helped their cause.

>>376609168
I hope they all get fired for the Andromeda fiasco. Those animators don't deserve another job in the industry. Ever.

>>376618889
>So the Studio was staffed by starry-eyed idiots who couldn't recognize the deep flaws in their game even if you pointed them out? Did any of these people play previous Mass Effect titles?
Not really. Didn't even bother to compare ME3's multiplayer to Andromeda. Took them like two months to realize that abilities should do damage.

>>376609168
Gamestop GONE
BioWare GONE
2K GONE

Who is next /v/?

>people buy games for gameplay

But the new Deus Ex had the best gameplay in the franchise. The story and the characters are what sucked.

Good riddance on Bioware though. I wish they'd burn the whole joint and not just Bioware Montreal.

>>376618889
if you ask me (dont worry i know youre not) they had a pretty solid back story to work with (no im not talking about the previous ME games)
it was similar to Macross in that you have a colony ship full of people searching for a new home
the possibilities were endless but aw well too bad fo dem

>>376619342
>Those animators don't deserve another job in the industry. Ever.

The funny thing about pulling off a big no-no like this in the industry is that what you said is exactly what happens; remember the fiasco of that Indonesian artist adding anti-Christian artwork in a Marvel comic? A hyper-SJW Marvel employee came out to answer the uproar, and the general gist of the message was, "we don't think this is in line with what Marvel is, and although we won't condemn his message, we can assure you this man is going to fade into obscurity."

And when you think about it, isn't that the best result you can ask for with something like this? Fuck making them a laughing-stock, make them forgotten.

>>376619342
Most of them were let go before it even shipped. The team was largely comprised of cheap, inexperienced new hires on short-term contracts, which is why development was such a disaster.

>>376609168
finally

>>376619696
No no, I agree with you that the new series had incredible promise, and when they released that Ghost Riders trailer I was legitimately hyped that this would be some Space Western where we tame and settle the wild expanse of Andromeda in the name of Humanity.

>>376619356
What? ME3 multiplayer was fantastic. What the fuck is going on?

So it's finally over.
Odd. I thought I'd be happier.


I guess I'm just sad I'll never get DRACKED

>>376619696
I honestly would have prefered a Voyager-style scenario of a single ship somehow transported to a new galaxy. The conceit of tens of thousands of all the races from the first game suddenly being here in this "new" setting made it all feel far too familiar. A clean break would have been better, with a small crew of Milky Way species meeting a variety of new alien races.

Although the Kett were generic and the Angarans are pure shit, so maybe it's for the best that they didn't bother to design any more.

>>376620170
It was also based on a better game. Most of MEAMP's problems are down the fact that the underlying framework isn't very good, from the mediocre gunplay to the janky movement to the boring enemies with bad AI and limited abilities. They've fixed it up a bit with the latest patch, but the studio being half-shuttered makes me doubt that it'll get the same level of post-launch support that ME3MP did.

>>376609168
I wish.

>>376620605
Oh wow, I was expecting to have a great deal of fun in Andromeda mp regardless of the main game being shit. Oh well.

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>>376609168
Deus Ex was a triumph of gameplay and substance over casualness and nobody got it because there were no AAA-tier marketing, publisher got greedy and pushed useless microtransactions+Denuvo and cut the project in half

The studio abandoning the project in favor of developing Marvel capeshit, is literally the opposite of what you're implying in your post

We finally got almost-classic Hitman back and a refined Human Revolution (which was pretty much appreciated back then), and you're happy they failed

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>>376609168
> people buy games

>>376621223
This post is not wrong

>>376620605
>Hey guys, this fresh new Spectre recruit says the Reapers are real
>Every race in the Galaxy constructs massive arks without us knowing between 1 and 2, and throws them toward Andromeda

Are these people retarded?

Wait, so DLC for andromeda will be outsourced, like in ME2?

>>376615263
Oh, damn. I hoped it might be good, seeing it's made at least by the original studio, or is that one also just basically a different studio with Bioware name slapped on it? If so, where did the old developers go?

>>376621521
the DLC for Andromeda might not even come to fruition.

The gaming is dead anyways
Fucking Jews raped my favorite media
fuck this industry

>>376621545
Edmonton is "classic" BioWare, responsible for KoTOR, Mass Effect, etc. Montreal made the ME3 MP, Andromeda and some DLC for 2/3, and Austin made TOR.

I feel bad for IO.
Hitman was a good game that kept improving and now they are getting shuttered.

>>376621595
>implying
they promised them before they released main game

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>downsizing the teams

Well, knowing the kind of people that work at Bioware, there's probably a lot of downsize to do...

>>376621765
That was before the game got shat on.

>>376621765
all the reports that came out around this said they'd only be working on continuing updates for MP.

>>376621741
They're not going to shut down, they're going to be sold off.

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>Hitman and Deus ex closing down

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>Hitman getting shut down

This is precisely why no one was buying the game to start with, Sqeenix.

>making a single player game have a mandatory always-on connection to a Sqeenix server
>can't play game anymore when Sqeenix turns off the server

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>>376609168
Great news, these big companies have taken their players for granted too long now.

I don't care if you hate white men, when they make up the vast majority of your customers you better give them what they want.

Developers can have all the agendas they want, just don't shove them into their job.

>>376621803
*rolls eyes and scoffs*
Excuse me it's a thyroid problem

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>>376621887
>This is precisely why no one was buying the game to start with, Sqeenix.

if people didn't buy the game solely because of the always-online shit then they're retarded.

>>376613351
Yeah, a few months ago they said it would release very early next year. Dunno if they've changed that statement. This is also different from the one that got cancelled by EA a few years ago.

I'd imagine they've been wanting to create a new IP, EA said "Fine but only if you make some quick cash to hold us over. Also if the new IP flops, you're fucked." So to buy time they handed Mass Effect over to their outsource studio in Montreal thinking how easy it would be to make a cash-grab entry to an established franchise. The shit's already made for them after all. Whoops.

Going against all predictions, it seems like Bioware Austin might actually outlive the others by subsisting on the wreckage of the Tortanic.

>>376609168
Meanwhile movie games like Persona 5 are a success

>>376621890
I don't even know I follow the devs I do on social media. I'd don't think I've seen more then one game development related post. Everything else is political content or internet jokes neither of which I care for. I'm actually baffled I enjoy the content they make.

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>>376622157
Fucking salty Biodrone. P5 has more gameplay than Mass Defect.

>>376622157
Open world snore fests are becoming tiresome. Get over it.

>>376621223
This fellow gets it.

>>376609168
I need a source on the Hitman one because I actually liked the new Hitman almost as much as Blood Money

>>376622110
>thinking how easy it would be to make a cash-grab entry to an established franchise.

I'm glad that shit bit them in the ass.

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>>376609168

>"Gaming revolution"

Hohoho man the fuck up, kid.

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I'm only human after all.

>>376621698
BUT many of the people responsible for those games have now moved on. It's still the main and best Bioware studio, but Cisquisition proved that most of the talent is now gone, leaving hacks like Mac Walters to run rampant.

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>Anons stop being bigots. Mass Effect isnt dead its just taking a break the same way Command and Conquer and Dead Space is.

All the Biodrones on /v/ right now.

>>376622298
Persona 5 is a literal slideshow.

>>376615113
EA are truly the worst.

And they'll never ever pay for any of the numerous niche devs they have dragged to the altar and sacrificed.

>>376622593

They weren't victims. Their owners, not the "muh devs" sold their companies willingly. Stop trying to portray companies and corporations as benevolent beings.

Andromeda was fun though in spite of the plot sucks fucking dick

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>>376609168
I thought goobergate was the gaming revolution.

>>376617729
>Both games made a number of big missteps that the industry needs to learn from, though
name them

>>376609168
When will Atlus and Platinum games close down? They are polluting the gaming scene.

>>376622805

You took a risk anon, but the burn looking at this in retrospective is so worth it

>>376622669
Did it actually bomb tho? It's pretty safe Inquisition did since they have yet to release any numbers but is the same true for Andromeda?

>>376621223
>The studio abandoning the project in favor of developing Marvel capeshit
source?

>>376621452
It's a shitty game with a lot of plot holes. You don't need to invent new things wrong with it. The whole reason for andromeda was "new beginnings" and all that other shit

>>376612270
Always online DRM Denuvo, progress must be recorded online, in a fucking single player game. Time limited events that can only be done once. Episodic, a fucking boring military camp level and several levels have only one mission.

People that wanted to play it waited for the crack that dropped this year. It was shit.

>>376622512
The reality is that it probably didn't. As shitty as Andromeda was, it will make money. It bought them time. It won't make as much money as EA wanted, but that inevitably happens to every studio that EA purchases to bury. Bioware always had a ticking clock looming over them. At least now they get a chance to live or die based on making something new.

>>376622939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq_V6WHSmQs

>>376623053
just a side project I bet

>>376621340
Wait, Wildlands sold well? Seriously?

>>376622786
That's not true of Bioware or Pandemic. EA acquired both via hostile takeovers. An investment firm called Elevation Partners provided capital to both in exchange for a share of the companies, then went behind their back and sold those shares to EA, prompting a buyout. Neither were actively looking to be bought up by EA.

>>376622894
EA wouldn't fire most of the studio and put one of their biggest franchises on ice if it had been even a remote success. Cisquisition sold enough to get a slew of DLC and a GotY edition. Andromeda isn't going to get any DLC and is already being brushed under the rug a month after launch. It must have performed incredibly badly to provoke that reaction from EA.

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>>376622680
You have not played the game have you?
Anyway that does not matter P5 is a success ME:A is a failure that killed an IP. Take your autistic screeching back to Neofag as it wont change a fucking thing.

On your way out also consider this. Normal gamers seen the shit show that was ME:A and we killed it by word of mouth alone. SJWs complained about P5 and Nier and you had no effect at all on the sales of those two games.

You and your ilk are nothing.

>>376623238

It's not "hostile takeover" if it's legal to buy it man, and less if the owners give away its company in the stock market, they know that can happen. They aren't victims, it's just that we think free market is cool until it shows that it ruins what we like for profit.

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>>376609168
>EA swallows another decent studio and shits out its corpse when it gets bored of it
>WE DID IT GAYMURS!!! DEY HERD US!!!!
Fucking idiot. There is no gaming revolution. You're ascribing human traits onto a force of nature. You're the same as those people who view not getting fucked up by a tornado as a sign from God. You don't matter to EA. Gamers don't matter to EA. /v/ hasn't done shit in a long time and acting like we're some positive force for video games is pure delusion.

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>>376623491

Oughh this, tell them fucking kids goddammit

>shit games are losing money
it's about time.

>>376623204
There's a difference between selling well and greatly profiting from whales.

>>376623435
>It's not "hostile takeover" if it's legal
yes it is. hostile takeover doesn't mean at gunpoint you fucking idiot

>>376622991
Hitman was finally cracked?

>>376623435
>It's not "hostile takeover" if it's legal to buy it man

But that quite literally is what it is. You can't just wave your hand and dismiss the accepted term for a thing because it doesn't suit your argument. The term "hostile takeover" has literally nothing to do with legality.

As for whether Bioware or Pandemic are "victims" or not, you show a real lack of understanding of the financial pressures and challenges facing independent game developers. Criticising them for seeking investment to allow them to continue making games is such a childish way to look at things.

>>376623902

Bioware isn't "independent developers". It's not a cooperative where the devs run it. Companies, or "game studios", or whatever you wanna call it, are an investment, they are owned by a handful of people to make money and that's what happened.

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>>376623579
>Is an obvious biodrone and by default a Canadian SJW. Will bangs on about MUH DIVERSITY. Obviously identifies as gender fluid. Uses gay and an insult. Then samefags by using a meme with a picture of a cunt that is ethincly cleansing sections of his own people.

You cant even Nu-Male Anon.

>>376623394
Are they really not making any DLC for Andromeda? Isn't that shit now planned way ahead of time to try and maximize productivity and with it return on investment?
Wouldn't it be more likely they were bleeding money for a while now with TOR, DA2 all the negative reception ME3 garnered and Inquisition and this was simply the last straw? They were basically hoping for a hail mary from what was BioWare's flagship franchise and I guess it didn't really deliver so now they're just kinda done with them.

>>376621223
What's this from?

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Meanwhile... at Activision...

>>376624412
Gotham.

>>376624040
Anon. This bait is insulting.

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>>376624505
>"despite no new content this quarter"
>preorders

>>376623990
Man, your stupidity is really starting to grate. Bioware were an independent development STUDIO until EA acquired them, and owned by the people who founded the company. This is the literal definition again of an independent studio, and you're again rambling about things that have nothing to do with anything being discussed, in your own little fantasy world where things are defined based on what you think they are, rather than reality.

Just fucking stop.

>>376624061
Andromeda's development was a disaster. Bioware Edmonton had to step in to help them to even get the broken, buggy mess that shipped out the door. If any DLC was ever planned, it certainly wasn't ever in active development due to them trying to get the main game up to scratch. It's extremely unlikely that it'll happen now, with the studio being relegated back to a small support unit (ostensibly to support the multiplayer). No way EA are throwing more money down that well.

As for the rest, it's not the same studio, so none of Bioware's other recent troubles are relevant really. This was Bioware Montreal's first and last game. EA set up the studio in the first place, so they can't blame Bioware Edmonton for dropping the ball. It was an experiment to see if they could get Mass Effect done on the cheap, and it blew up in their face. Studio dead. Franchise dead. Game dead. See you in five years for the reboot.

>>376622610
But where did they go? Did they form a new studio or disperse into existing studios?

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OP should not be surprised.

Also, Eidos getting the shaft is not a good thing because Square is even more jewish about IP rights than EA.

>>376624867
Retired, went indie, got absorbed into the Microsoft or Zenimax labor camps, etc.

>>376624628
Thats the point of an insult.

>>376624867
Some left to pursue indie projects or work elsewhere, whilst others left the industry entirely. Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk both went to pursue careers in other fields.

>>376624793
>See you in five years for the reboot.
The sad part is you're probably right about this one as far as modern media franchise trends go.

It's the same reason I suspect so many people are excited for the new CoD game. As someone who played games during the WW2 shooter era I just don't get it but I'm sure everyone is going to be all hyped and nostalgic when they announce a new Mass Effect in a few years from now.

>>376609168
It's like it never happens that studio goes on layoff spree after game gets released. We did it again /v/! Another tortanic!

>>376624940
The only good thing about a crash is that perhaps that will force publishers like EA to liquidize patents and IP rights such that better game devs can aquire them.

>>376609168
proof?

>>376616653
>its crimes

Oh you mean the crime that the women aren't super models and that there is 1 tranny and a few gays?

Fuck off.

>>376621340

HOW THE FUCK IS GTAV STILL CHARTING

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>>376622593
Where is Visceral? I still want them to make Dead Space 3.

>>376625610
Or Destiny for that matter. I'm guessing microtransactions count towards the game they're in, otherwise it's even stranger.

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>>376625531
No, the worse one. Turning a race, described as "militant Islamic Borg"and turning them into homosexuals and deviants.

>>376625610
That's based on digital revenue. GTA Online is fucking massive.

>>376625903
>Where is Visceral
they've been making a Star Wars game for almost 3 years now. It better be at E3 and it better be good

>>376621223
>Deus Ex was a triumph of low fps

I fixed that for you

Denuvo also reduced fps by 10-15 fps and causes stutters.

I played so many Denuvo games that I recognize Denuvo stuttres

>>376625903
I think they're making a Star Wars game with Amy Hennig in charge. I like them and her but I doubt it's gonna be good. It is EA after all and modern triple A trends are pretty awful.

Whoop

>>376626176
even Doom, which already performed great on PC, performed even better without Denuvo

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>>376609168
>Give backup team Mass Effect
>Virtue-signal and hire incompetent sjws
>Game fails immensely due to this
>Don´t fire them, instead put them in the primary teams
>One year later, other IPs look like the same shit
>What_A_Suprise.Jpeg
>Bioware shuts all doors not wanting to insult feminists
Kek, farewell Bioware

>>376621340

Wait dfo is that big? Didnt that game die twice already?

>>376623204
I bought it, still regret it to this day...

>>376626902
It wasn't even a back up team, it was a bunch of fresh out of college literal whos hired for peanuts.

>>376627724
Well it was the team that had only done dlc content before that so it´s kinda like a backup team.
Funny thing is, alpha footage looked better than finished version.

>>376626902
Nah, they all left before the game even came out. The poo in loo was on Twitter talking about how excited he was to be going independent.

>>376609168
Oh

>>376623491
>"You're the same as those people who view not getting fucked up by a tornado as a sign from God."
>>>r/atheism

>>376629182
>Well it was the team that had only done dlc content before that so it´s kinda like a backup team

They hired a ton of new people for Andromeda. The team was far too small to create an entire game before that. And as he said, they were cheap, inexperienced labour who'd never worked in the industry before for the most part, trying to get a foot in the door.

>>376629419
Fair enough

>>376626109

Dead Space but with a lightsaber instead of a plasma cutter would be pretty neato.

>dismemberan big alien monster shit
>fightan dudes wearing plasma-repellant armor so you have to specifically target the weak points in their armor to hack them apart
>usan Force Choke to choke a bitch and hold him in stasis while you carve him up

basically, Dead Space but with lightsabers.

>>376623185

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/deus-ex-series-reportedly-placed-on-hiatus/1100-6447374/

keep telling yourself that

>>376617115
No it didn't it's sold less than 2million copies, it's lifetime sales are going to be less than 3 million.

EA expected it to sell 3million in it's first week and 6-9 over it's lifespan.

The game will be lucky to break even.

This is just based on my extrapolating data from the only figures out there. But the citation if you need it is in EA closing the studio down, stopping all DLC, cutting back on support for MP and shitcanning the franchise and hoping it will quietly die.

But then I guess you know more than EA about their games sales. And why they are such idiots to kill off such a glorious sucsessful cashcow they could keep milking.

>>376623398
I don't disagree generally, but if you want to bring up something to put ME:A to shame, don't use fucking purse owner. It's a glorified graphic novel.

>>376631429
>EA expected it to sell 3million in it's first week
Mass Effect 2 is the best selling game and it only did 4.5 million at retail over its lifetime.

>>376609168
THANK CHRIST THESE MADMEN HAVE FINALLY BEEN SHUT DOWN

>>376631635
Which only goes to show you people in charge should not be there if good games are the goal.

>>376631524
Samefag and its a fucking leaf.

>>376623204
Wildlands has more than double the sales of Mass Effect Abortion.

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Human Revolution dev team fucked up by getting involved with SJW themes and DLC out the ass but I don't think the game was horrible. If they made Mankind Divided, then they could have also made another gem later on. There was no need to close them down just cause they made an average game that didn't sell well.

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>>376633162

>Meanwhile at r/masseffect

>>376609168

Bioware had it coming putting a B team on a previous AAA franchise.

Deus ex mankind divided whilst good didn't resolve anything and was just made to make another one.

The season shit killed hitman. Nobody knew what you were getting in the deal.

>>376633162
Wow. I don't know how to feel about that one. On the one had it's the same old Ubi formula they've done over and over again but on the other hand it's pretty much what you'd expect from them so it's not like it's really a let down. You know exactly what you're getting into if you buy their games now so I guess a lot of people like that.
>>376633445
I don't think you really understand how business and capitalism work. I'm gonna guess the people funding the studio did not do so because they wanted to get a great game to play. They probably wanted a good return on their financial investment which I guess it wasn't. Although I would agree it's not so much the game's fault but all the shit surrounding it.

>>376631635
Based on this chart ME2 sold around 8 million...

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250066/mass-effect-a-sales-history/

But the 3 million week one and 6-9 million lifetime figures for MEA were from EA's own mouth...

https://www.vg247.com/2017/02/01/ea-expects-mass-effect-andromeda-to-sell-around-3-million-units-in-the-first-week/

They obviously didn't see the game in development.

eeh, Hitman is a success and getting a sequel what are u talking about

>>376621884
Shit like this pisses me off, why bother playing a stealth character.

Just balls to the wall dps.

>>376609168
They're only human, after all

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>>376633791
That makes it worse. They actually killed off one EA's biggest IPs with bad writing, purposely ugly females, bad animation and forced diversity.
And for that diversity to feel forced in a fucking Mass Effect game is an achievement in itself.

>>376622805
It didn't take long at all for journalism and publishers to distract them with SJW's and turn GG's image into "the wrong side of history" for everybody else.

And with all the actual girl-hating kids and retards that joined it as a result, the case was sealed.

>>376609168
>EA does what they've always done with every fucking studio
>newfags think this is a revolution
Kill yourself.

>>376634598
Isnt that like a 2014 meme why you bring this up. We be talking about shit games anon.

>>376633910
Just today Square posted a $43 million loss and said they were cutting ties with IO and trying to sell them.

>>376621847
This means no more shifty episodic content and dlc, square enix is cancer

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>Crowcab predicted biowares fate

>>376622701
Remember not to pirate games to increase the chances that EA will one day pay those devs.

>>376633786

I don't care about Wildlands, I don't even know what it's about. I just see it has low reviews yet still maintains decent sales. Yet MEA dropped off a cliff after pre orders.

MEA retail in the UK was 51'000 on PS4
38'000 on XBOX
4'000 PC
Week One

12'000 PS4
9'000 XBONE
N/A PC
Week Two

5'000 PS4
4'000 XBONE
N/A PC
Week Three
in comparison Wildlands
6'000 PS4
6'000 XBONE
Week Five!

>>376635398
>predicting the obvious whenever EA is involved

Truly the greatest genius of our time.

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>bioware bashing thread
>because they're sjw fags lol
>meanwhile trap link thread in another tab so you can fap

neo /v/

>boost studio up with employees from other studios so they can develop Andromeda
>Andromeda gets released
>move the experienced people back where they came from
>trim the fat on the original crew now that you see who can crunch and who can't

Wow, its fucking nothing. Layoffs happen after every big game release.
You need much more employees to finish a huge AAA game than you need to support it.

>>376634440
I know, that's what makes wallowing in Biowares misery such a fulfilling experience.

They were guaranteed sales but made such a mess of the game with caring more about interspecies romance and MP they made a loss and had to can the franchise.

>>376617729

>Absolution was shit and outsold the better sequel

yes.

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>>376622268
A decade ago these people were just names in the credits or on the box. If a game reached out to you, impressed you or inspired you they took on a sort of legendary quality in your own head.

Then twitter happened and they all revealed themselves to be retarded cretins. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

>>376636043
Yep sure thing...

...EA disbands entire studio, publicly cans Mass Effect, no DLC, no more Mass Effect, nothing to worry aboot eh, Mr Moose Cuck Canuck?

>>376636427
Write that on a note, pit it on the wall, and eat it by Christmas when they announce the new ME property.

>>376635886
who are you quoting?

>>376614876
>To what? The garbage that was mass effect 3?
Not that guy, but after experiencing the dull nature of mea for more than 30 hours, I'd rather play me3 one more time with the original endings.

>>376612553
>ea will never reduce themselves to a designated FIFA/madden company, selling all properties and licenses that aren't for those two games

>>376612553
https://youtu.be/nHOjowxFacA

Even the biggest Bioware hater, who built a career on shitting on Mass Effect, admits this is normal behavior.
They just released a huge game, of course they are laying off staff. Every studio that has more than 40 people working there does this.

>>376636547
...Canadian wit...

...No wonder all your best comedians left for America.

I'd tell you to write MEA 2 on a dildo and shove it up your ass if it doesn't happen by christmas, but I guess you've already asked non-ethono-specific non-demoination jolly red suited winterfest man for that in your list.

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>>376637507

>>376622701
They're just your average capitalist corporation. The only thing that matters to them is maximizing the profits above all else.

>>376636382
Pretty much yea. Although I think the internet makes it seem even worse then it actually is. When they're talking about games in interviews etc. they seem pretty sane and levelheaded. Maybe it's just the recent political developments that brought up the worst in people. Seriously, I don't care much for Trump but him winning was made worth it to me by all the meltdowns of these people. The levels and amount doublethink and the hypocrisy was absolutely staggering when he got elected and still is.

>>376637507
Yeah, four seperate sources went running to Kotaku to spill the beans that Bioware Montreal was being permanently downsized and relegated back to a support, yet it's actually just perfectly normal and they'll be gearing up for their next project soon.

How fucking dumb are you people?

>>376638451
It was support already, it only got a temporary boost from employees drafted from other studios to finish that one game and keep the license rolling, since the main Bioware studio is making some looter shooter.
This isn't EA's rage on a poor studio shutting it down, its things returning to normal after being overtime for a year.

>>376636382
this is the most reddit image I've ever seen

remove the mechs and then maybe it'd be good

>>376622991

>i'm a poor 3rd world pirate shitter

Oh I thought you had a valid opinion

>>376622593
Where's DreamWorks Interactive?

>>376609168
oh great duex ex and hitman were pretty good anon, now we're one step closer to every game being a boring open world shitfest

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>>376638708
Be at peace, anon. The memes are only in your head if you let them be.

Bioware used to have a good reputation before the doctors and john spaghetti-os collaborated to make each other rich by buttfucking BioWare studios completely over and turning it into EA's bitch.

Dragon Age 2 was the signal that bioware as it had been had completely died and it was nothing but a studio name EA would shamelessly slap onto every shitty developer studio that they had, pumping out trash-tier cashgrabs of the IPs made on the cheap by shit-tier devs who were too shit to get out beore EA execs proceeded to assume direct control.

>>376639440
Bioware was going to declare bankruptcy, because of development hell during Dragon Age production.
They even let Obsidian make sequels to their games to make some money to continue existing.
Without EA coming in they would've just died on the spot, possibly not even releasing Origins, which was not the complete Dragon Age game.

EA came in to save the day, not to ruin everything.
Mass Effect 1&2 are the best Bioware ever did, and thats post EA.

yeah senpai! the trash is out now lets look forward to...call of duty ww2?

>>376621223
this, good games cost money to make and advertise, bad games only cost money to advertise.

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>>376609168

>>376609168
>people buy games for gameplay

exactly, thats why AssCreed and COD sells millions while shitty weebgarbage like Persona and Nier can barely sell a million topkek

weebs btfo

>>376609168
Bioware's a-team has been working on something else, all that's getting iced is Bioware Montreal.

>>376638708
you must be the most boring faggot ever

Wait, no more Deus Ex?

I guess the rumors were true then that Eidos is developing the next Tomb Raider game.

>>376639657
>Mass effect 1
>post EA

Are you even trying?

>Bioware Montreal getting fucked
Good
>Deus Ex getting pushed to the sidelines
Alright sure
>Hitman dead
Why are people happy about this? Yes, the always online shit was fucked, but it was actually a good Hitman game. I was looking forward to season 2.

>>376617115
The game didn't break even.

>>376621884
>cutscene for every stealth-takedown
aaaaaand the game is confirmed for being shit beyond salvation

>Deus Ex
Wait wtf did I miss?
Also, if anything, story was MD's weak point, the gameplay was definitely bettern than in Human Revolution.

>>376623398
>being THIS mad at people calling his objectively below average game out
lol
Sonygs sure are butthurt

>>376624505
>marketing > everything
no shit sherlock?

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>People keep saying that gaming is not dying
>Gamestop is closing 140 stores, physical copies are dying
>Huge parts of 2k and Bioware closing down
>Consoles sales on a downward curve for years
>Mokou is hot

I don't get what Square Enix is doing with it's studios.

According to what people have been reporting, half of Eidos is working on the next Tomb Raider game, the other half is working on a Guardians of the Galaxy game, while Crystal Dynamics is working on an Avengers game.
Is the Avengers game so massive that they need all of Crystal Dynamics working on it? Why don't they have CD doing half Avengers/Half Tomb Raider (Which is their series to begin with), while Eidos does half Guardians/half Deus Ex? This would make more sense to me. Even if Square had no intention of making another Deus Ex, wouldn't it make sense to keep Tomb Raider with the studio that's always made the games, especially since the reboot games have been mostly successful?

Didn't Jim Sterling predict this?

>>376642241
Jim is only right when he says things that everyone new was going to happen.

He is the no shit sherlock man of the internet.

>>376634440
>And for that diversity to feel forced in a fucking Mass Effect game is an achievement in itself.
That was pretty mindboggling.
A space opera setting where you can create all sorts of alien morphologies and alternate cultures and worldviews and they still made it feel like shoddily written tokenistic trash whenever those issues turned up.

The races were all drifting closer and closer to just humans with a different face after the first game, but Andromeda was a particularly big leap towards the banal.

>>376625531
No my friend it's you that's gonna have to fuck off it seems because the Jews are learning that they can't make money from catering to (you)

>>376621890
>Seems to think a game with an explicitly female protagonist is an "out there" idea

Pretty sure people would be happy with more protagonists like Beyond Good and Evil, The Longest Journey, and so on.
Them not getting made is more down to the retards running publishing companies.

>>376642563
>and they still made it feel like shoddily written tokenistic trash
It doesn't even come close to Tolkien. It's more like "If the CW hired Joss Whedon" kind of thing and Whedon went full Whedon on himself. Which is way too self-indulgent, smartass quirkiness.It's revolting. It's nauseating.

And trust me, some Whedon is not a bad thing. Sometimes a Whedon-ism is even called for, but it needs to be evened out, he needs to be reigned in. Or you get something like The Avengers 2, which is unsalvageable.

>>376644932

Not that I don't agree with what you're saying but the poster you quoted said TOKENism, not Tolkien.

>>376635886
It's almost like despising mawkish virtue signalling and holier-than-thou social cause championing by fuckwits who have no grasp of the actual nuances and complexities around the issues isn't the same thing as hating gays and brown people, no matter how much stooges at places like EA like to say so whenever their dross gets criticized.

>>376645613
Oh, shit. Misread that. Damn my eyes.

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>>376629938
I'd rather them finally release Dead Space 3. Fuck Star Wars. Star Wars is a shitty space wild west opera but Dead Space has soul.

>>376617729
Only missteps Hitman did is the Always Online and Episodic Release bullshit, and that is clearly Squeenix' fault for forcing that shit on IOI because they lost faith in them after absolushit.

actually the lesson that publishers are learning is that only sports games and shitty gambling mobile games bring in enough money to offset the massive wasteful marketing budget

>>376631429
>is it diverse enough? yes
>how much we gave them? $40M
>how much we sold? 2M copies
>hmm gamers don't care about AAA space RPG
>EA GAMES
>challenge everything

>>376642563
>tokenistic trash
Have you ever read Silmarillion my dude?

>>376615113
Waterloo computer science co-op student here who spent 4 months at Bioware Montreal a few years back. This is 100% true.

>>376646781
Ain't that the worst thing. They'll look at the genre not the product and decide it had too many RPG elements.

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The funny part is that Andromdea had the best gameplay of the entire series but was panned because of its cutscenes.

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>>376647113
>I gave you forty millions. Forty millions. Where are the sales? Look at FIFA 2017. That's what people want.

>>376646992
What does the Silmarillion have to do with tokenism?

I've read it, sure, but it's got nothing to do with the thread.

>bunch of latte sipping, problem haired faggots with big framed glasses make their "dream" game and get shut the fuck down because no one wants it
Good.

>>376647232
It also had garbage writing and tons of animation and gameplay bugs.

Also I've heard a lot of people say the gameplay was bad also but I dunno.

>>376647747
There's only like 3 alien wildlife types, and they're repeated on every single planet with different coloring. Then content on these planets is just randomly placed camps of humanoids, Witcher 3 style. No ryhme nor reason to the placement, they're just there for something to shoot while navigating the boring overworld

>>376632501
Can you go for one post without fucking it up?

>>376647232
>The funny part is that Andromdea had the best gameplay
lol

>>376647232

Almost right. The combat is what they did right. The actual overall gameplay was boring as fuck. Go to place, shoot guys, go back, pick up new quest, go to place, shoot guys etc. No nuance, no RPG mechanics, just straight up shooting people somewhere you don't care about for reasons you don't care about. Some guy shit on someone's face or something and wants vengeance.

Garbage story, abysmal character writing (tumblr tier in some parts, we've seen the youtube videos by now I'm sure), horrid voice acting, the worst graphics of 2017 for a supposed triple A game, animations are completely laughable, and on top of that it still has plenty of shitty bugs. But hey, shooting something did feel satisfying and the combat was fluid.

>>376648361
The guns and upgrading them was neat. Too bad the rest of the game made you not want to bother.

>>376612270
I didn't buy Hitman because of the episodic business practice.

>>376622298
The gameplay in ME:A is actually really good though