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>>376602079
translate pls

>>376602321
It says literally nothing new. Just a description of each screenshot.

STOP POSTING LALA'S YOSHI YOU HACK. CAN'T SEE SHIT WHEN YOUR MODEL IS 3 FEETS TALL

>>376602321
Nothing much.

Yoshi didn't say anything about what the skills are called or what they do.

WHM
>I have no idea what the effect is but it looks pretty
AST
>That's a lot of cards!?
SCH
>The page that got torn out is..!
DRG
>Something something bleeding service

>>376602321
WHM is so pretty!
AST has so many cards out
SCH what page did you just tear?
DRGs cried their screenshot was the only without a new ability, heres your gay aura you wastes of space

the gist

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>>376602403
No. Go be mad elsewhere. Lose weight.

>>376602425
>>376602449
>it's SCH
Genuinely thought it's SMN getting merged with Omnyoji

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/324088-4.0%E3%83%86%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E4%B8%AD%E3%81%AESS%E3%82%92%E3%81%93%E3%81%A3%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8A%E3%83%9D%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6%E3%81%BF%E3%82%8B%E3%82%B9%E3%83%AC?p=4135827&viewfull=1#post4135827

>SCH get talismans now

>when people bitch about not seeing the images at work

How about you do your fucking job and stop going on 4chan and reddit.

>>376602526
>Fairy is out
>Its SMN?

Anon please

>>376602531
>FemSCHs get another cute ZR skirt

I'm mad.

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But where is content Yoshi
You said there'd be content

Ain't grinding for gay Okami wolves either

>>376602563
Forehead was obstructed, I jumped to conclusions.

>>376602526
Generally, greenstuff = SCH.

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yoshi please make blood of the dragon infinite like you are doing with enochian

>>376602637
it's already infinite
stack more skill speed :^)

>>376602637
No thank you. Having nothing to manage would make it boring as fuck.

>>376602676
skip phleb you pleb :vvvD

>>376602637
Fuck no, i don't want to sleep while playing my favorite class.

>>376602716
>>376602836
give us something else to manage instead
i think it would be interesting

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>he posts only lalas and male cats
Our game is in the hands of a degenerate

>>376602425
>bleeding service
it (presumably) refers to giving so good of a deal to customers that the seller is bleeding money
>>376602637
this is probably using HP to supercharge BotD or to extend it

just increase botd max duration to add more shit to the rotation

>>376602886
That would be great.

>>376602989
blood of the dragon II

>>376602637
wait is this perma enochian thing real or just getting my hopes up

>>376602886
Oh shit I got it
>BotD is a toggle that consumes mana.
>Wheeling Thrust gives you some buff
>Fang and Claw restores MP

>>376603017
Confirmed a long time ago

DRG is shit,

It's more like 2 rotations only, HT with ID combo as one and Phleb with TT combo as the other, and the fang claw are just RNG despite being same thing just making you feel like you're doing something cooler by having to hit in in the correct position.

Boring.

>>376603020
forgot to say
>both are available after every Full/Chaos Thrust

>>376603013
Soul of the Dragon :^)

>>376603017
i think they'll remove it completely but allow you to use fire and ice IV
maybe give ice IV another purpose
we don't really know too much right now

ability to use all skills in capped dungeons fucking when?

>>376603207
Never. Because you get so many skills between level 15 and level 60 sheer potency throughput would destroy everything.

>>376603207
Never what the fuck they're capped for a reason

>>376603020
i just really hope more physical jobs gets to use mana for something in SB

>>376603207
>Enter sastasha sync'd for roulette
>Holy everything
>Scare the saplings

good going

Yoshi I know you're reading this thread.
Make Dreadwyrm Trance permanent.
Thanks.

>>376603248
>>376603262
What if you can use skills but they are less efficient?

>>376603118
it should of never been a thing anyway, literally makes endgame content impossible to stay at peak dps due to the mechanic pauses

ice iv should just refresh umbral and fire iv astral...the fuck is the point of being forced to use weaker spells? we(assuming) already have to stand still or do nothing

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is it just empyreal arrow II?

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mfw the raid is delayed by a month after release

>>376603263
NIN could get reduced cooldowns on Mudras and have them cost MP.

>>376603430
The WoW experience.

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>>376603383
>mfw it's on a 120 CD to fuck with your Barrage timing

>>376603430
I won't pay a month subscription just to wait for something that might be good after paying out for a new expansion

>>376602321
>Many cards
Looks like the regular draw with 8 cards. So I guess that's just the six normal ones with The Lord and The Lady.

He could have fucking given a more interesting AST action screenshot instead.

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>>376602531
I always felt there should be a kind of mage that rips out pages of a book to do spells

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>>376603891
That's just Fire Emblem.

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>>376602906
Canon WoL is a fucking cat girl, Yoshi is a fucking hack

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>>376602906
>tfw RP DRKs are rare now

>>376603891
>SCH rips his fucking relic book he worked on for months apart because spell demands it
I hope ripping out pages decreases durability on the weapon significantly. Would have been interesting.

But we all know that won't happen.

>>376603891
>DD2 never
>DDON west never

>>376603430
>mfw the raid is delayed by a month after release
This isn't a bad thing.

>>376604094
that makes me sad
atleast we'll get rp SAM's

>>376602637
>enochian going infinite
but where's the fun in that?

BLM getting any new mechanics to compensate?

>>376604041
That's old WoL, who was killed in a time travel accident and possessed by horny interdimensional ghosts. New WoL is a catboy and a lalafell.

>>376604158
I heard that the damage buff isn't going infinite, you just won't lose Fire IV if it falls off.

>>376603075
Alright I'll bite. How is it any shitter than what the other classes offer?

>>376604214
fine

I will accept this

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we are geting only 5 leveling dungeons again arent we?

>>376604141
How do i RP SAM senpai? do i marco all my skills with japanese?

>>376604158
Of course. part of the reason for it is to let shitheads continue being shit while having DPS that isn't as shit.

The other reason is the level 70 rotation probably won't allow juggling between it AND Astral Fire AND Enochian so they made perma enochian, but then it begs the question on what Enochian will do now (unless they just threw it out) and what blizzard IV will do.

>>376604158
you'll get more skills to manage now i'm guessing
it'll be fine either way, no jobs will be dumbed down

>>376604229
Some people actually think all melee don't follow the same formula of self buff, enemy debuff, 2 dots (one long, one short), and filler damage combo.

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>>376604262
Yup, and you better fucking looking forward to it unsub when

>>376604262
We already have wayyyyy too many 4-man dungeons in the game. Even more leveling ones would not help.

>>376604309
I think Yoshi said that after the trimming and shit, we'll have the same number of skills on the hotbar now as we did during HW.

>>376604262
>only 5 leveling dungeons
People cry about the stupidest things. We got 10 lvls, how is 5 levelling dungeons any bad? A dungeon every 2 lvls is the perfect balance.

I swear to god there are people in this world who would whine if they found a million dollars on the street.

>>376604229
has the most static rotation out of all the melee dps
that being said MNK is far easier to play and alot of baddies play DRG

>>376604346
>too many 4-man dungeons in the game

That's the only kind of dungeon. the 8 mans don't exist, c'mon. Or at least nobody wants to fucking do them because infinite cutscenes

>>376604376
that's because of no cross class skills though
but yes you're right

>>376604386
only 5 dungeons gets very boring when you want to try leveling different classes you subhuman faggot

kill yourself.

>>376604397
Melee are all pretty much the same give or take some flavor here and there.

Stop acting like you started playing this week and everything still eludes you.

>>376604386
are you a retarded? what does the amount of levels have to with anything?!
still takes the same amount of time for 50-60 as it does 1-50.

>>376604459
This person would complain that the money has dirt on it

>>376604428
>8 man dungeons
i really hope we get well done 8 man dungeons in stormblood

>>376604428
I don't think anybody would say no to 8-man dungeons. They learned not to do mid-instance cutscenes, so that wouldn't be an issue anymore.

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>>376604386
TBC had a dungeon for every level!
Although some of them were basically different wings of the same place.

5 dungeons for 10 levels of leveling is fine though. What isn't fine is that
- We'll only get 2 dungeons at the cap for the "roulette" instead of all the SB dungeons being brought up to level cap stats for the expert roulette.
- None of the dungeons are really unique design-wise and some of them don't even feel like real places in the world all because they got it through their heads that if every dungeon aren't exactly the same then people won't wanna run them instead of coming up with giving players something to run them for

You know the real problem with the game? I thought of it hard and long and it's tomestones. Fucking tomestones.
Originally they were though of as a way to mitigate raid drop luck, but they quickly turned into easily accessible welfare that allows you to outgear all the content by doing pretty much no work at all. This has to stop because if people aren't easily at cap-10 level a couple of months into the tier this suddenly opens up possibilities to
- Give nontrivial rewards from dungeons
- Have hard dungeons with raid minus 10 gear rewards
- Have rewards from Diadem hold non-trivial value
- Have rewards from 24-man hold non-trivial value
And so on.

>>376604774
>>376604710
I just want something like an 8 man that requires you to split up into two groups to tackle different paths, or fight a boss that has mechanics on each side

but we know it'll just be a hallway

>>376604826
I don't remember wow rolling out multiple new dungeons with every update.

>>376604826
>None of the dungeons are really unique design-wise
That is just not true.

>>376605046
hallway boss hallway boss hallway boss
Every single one of them

>>376604983
That's because they keep release dungeons relevant instead while XIV basically trashes dungeons into irrelevancy with every patch

>>376605109
Oh please faggot.

>>376604158
>where's the fun in not being forced to dance dance around everything doing shit deeps because you're constantly taxed by ice IV casting

You tell me. The only people who like blm as is dont main it or wear fullshire garunteed

>>376605290
What dungeons are 'really unique design-wise' then?

>>376605290
No, seriously, name one dungeon that could be considered unique released within Heavensward.

>>376605465
Aery's protect estinien mechanic was pretty okay.

>>376605432
>>376605465
Some of the level 60 dungeons at least had some interesting boss mechanics

>>376605465
Not him, and I can't think of any, but I also can't think of any when I think of recent WoW or Wildstar or any other MMO I played recently.

MMOs have just been following the same formula and I think you or your little friends should stop acting like this is a xiv exclusive flaw.

Arguably the "best" dungeon MMOs had in years was a recycle of old content.

>>376605465
That isn't why I called you a faggot, faggot.

So does anybody think they're going to come out with a new item level above 275 before the release of Stormblood?

>>376605652
>>376605653
Ah but that's boss mechanics. What about everything else? Why do we have to go through 20 minutes of garbage before there's an interesting thing for 3 minutes? Why not take some of those mechanics and spread them across the dungeon? What if in Xelphatol there were multiple Garuda summoners and they'd try to push you with gale winds from time to time? What if Great Gubal Library was actually one big hall where we were supposed to go up ramps and get books that have enemies in them before the final boss appears? What if in Aery Estinien was tagging along the entire time and we'd have to stand in his shield from time to time to hide from powerful lightning? Give me fucking ANYTHING at all

>>376605937
>those ideas that would just make content annoying as fuck to run
I'm glad you are not a game dev.

>>376605920
No way they release another i280 item. The Diadem weapon will be the only i280.

>>376605920
They already did with Coven weapons.

>>376605937
>unironically requesting that an entire dungeon be an escort mission

>>376606056
Not him but you're literally the reason they just create hallways with 3 packs of mobs before a boss.

>>376606102
not to mention they already tried the escort thing with CM

>>376605937
Gubal Library HM has some interesting ideas, such as the magnet shit and the elemental mechanics at the last boss.

>>376605715
I don't really know anything about Wildstar but let's take a look at current WoW if you so desire.

Violet Hold albeit being 100% recycled from WotLK is a place where you defend one room against enemies spawning from random places and bosses are chosen at random every week. Unique.

Court of Stars involves you invading a part of city that you can also visit during normal gameplay. There you have to disable alarm posts to make the following boss easier, bait second boss' minions so that it's possible to fight her at all and find a spy inside a crowd based on clues given by NPCs. Unique.

Arcway. Pathway through this dungeon is random every week though you'll probably kill every boss anyway. This is also involved in one of the last boss' mechanics.

Eye of Azshara is an open area. It's still linear order of bosses but it feels like an actual place in the world and if you try you can actually kill some things out of order.

Vault of the Wardens requires you to use an item in the dungeon to light up the darkness on the lower level which makes enemies targetable and removes ground snares. This mechanic is also kept for the final boss battle.

So that's at least half of them with something memorable to do.

>>376606254
That's boss mechanics, not dungeon mechanics, and all boss mechanics you mention are actually rehashes from raids. Which is fine, but not special.

>wowcancer having another tantrum
yawn

>>376605937
>Escort missions
What the fuck's wrong with you?

>>376606056
Yes, you have to play to win.
Playing involves being able to lose.
Sorry to distract you from your busywork farming welfare, dipshit.

>>376606491
another drone defending shit game design

>>376606532
If you honestly think what makes shit like escort annoying as fuck is "being able to lose" I'm sorry you are just that bad.

>>376606614
>latching onto escort idea because you can't really argue against anything else properly
Heh... I had the upper hand on you all along. Heh...

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I can't wait to finally become rich in SB.

I spent this whole last patch grinding all gatherers to 60 and crafters to 50-60, but the prices of anything good are dogshit now that its been so long.

Come Sb time though and I'll poopsock my way through whatever scrips they force me through and sell shit for a million billion monie.

Then I'll finally be able to afford to gear up more than one class and afford potions and food and shit I can start actually having fun in the game.

Haha. I'm having so much fun. I'm so excited.

He's not even trying to be subtle. Just report and ignore.

>Expansion pack
>Less content than the base game
>2 dungeons a patch and 1 trial
When will /v/ admit Heavensward was shit?

>>376606690
>he thinks random garuda summons or gubal library being one hall would make people lose
Man you must be really bad.

>>376606904
It was awful, anyone telling you otherwise is completely delusional.

This time I'm going to play on a early access code and cancel my order if it's going Heavensward 2.0

>>376606904
The general consensus is that it was shit.

Now for stormblood we don't even have new races to look forward to unless it's some kind of surprise which I doubt.

>>376607072
>>376607130
I bought HW 2 months ago and it was amazing.

>>376607130
>The general consensus is that it was shit.

On /v/ maybe, and even that arguable.

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>>376606794
You don't sound very excited

>>376607279
*that is arguable

>>376607130
Race adds nothing to the game, other than vanity. A waste to bother adding one.

>>376607324
I always want to fuck a crying Tataru

>>376607072
>>376607130
The expansion was alright, considering it was the first one, what was absolute garbage were the first patches after the expansion.

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>>376607387

>tfw only got FFXIV last December
>Started HW in Feb

What was the period between 3.0 and 3.1 like? I heard it was really long and boring?

>>376607220
Then you're missing a lot of context. The release of HW brought several blunders one after the other and only after a lot of fixes and with all the content available is it "good" now. Fucking hell, at one point they went several months without any content update and the main story remained unresolved for the better part of a year.

>>376607459
Terrible. The first raid was overtuned, the first patch took too long, and there was nothing of value in the first patch when it finally did come out.

>>376607459
Doesn't have much to do beside waiting for them to fix shits, i play to patch 3.2 then unsub to this day.

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>>376604202

>male cat

I'll take a basic bitch miqo'te girl canon WoL over a miqo'te male WoL.

>>376607360
>Race adds nothing to the game, other than vanity. A waste to bother adding one.
Maybe add some fucking racial diversity to this Safe Space XIV Online game.

>>376607541
>. The first raid was overtuned
Loving this meme! A3S was killed before week 3 when people got weapons.

>>376607635
If your raid annihilates the entire raiding community to the point where it is still trying to recover, then yeah it was blatantly overtuned. Overtuned doesn't necessarily mean "mathematically impossible to clear".

I don't understand how people like you can white-knight Gordias even after that whole shitshow that was 3.0s endgame.

>>376607894
>responding

>>376607894
Tuning generally refers to numerical values, such as damage, time, etc. What it was is that it had mechanics too difficult for this game's general populace of mouthbreathers.

It was too difficult for most of its players, but it wasn't overtuned. Those are two different things and you should learn what words mean before using them.

Although even still XIV raid clear numbers are higher than those of most other MMOs so I dunno why people are so butthurt. Probably because honestly besides raiding everything in this game sucks a mean one.

I'll probably get Stormblood later when it's on sale, but I dislike that they're adding even more difficulties for raids. I liked Coil because it was all brand new stuff to experience, while Alexander was more of the same with some different mechanics and no new story.

>>376608019
Gordias would have been easy as fuck without its dps checks. What kind of revisionist bullshit are you trying to sell here?

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>some kind of massive aoe, looks like a msall ozma black hole
>what is probably spell focus for even more burst

/blm/ where we at, what do you want above all? I want burst.

>>376608053
They're not adding new difficulties. The extra fight is supposed to be brand new (can't wait for all the baby whining). Story mode should be released a month or two after Savage anyway.

>>376608221
There is a savage exclusive fight?

>>376608053

>Gobbiecocks thinks uplander should gobchoke on some gobcheese!
>*touches scar*

I fucking hate the Alexander story.

>>376608183
It's called shitposting. He's been doing it for some time now.

>>376608183
>Gordias would have been easy as fuck without its dps checks
A4S perhaps but hey that fight wasn't very good.
Digititis, positioning during 3rd cascade cycle, Protean wave and stun cycling the hand wasn't directly related to DPS checks, other than well, killing it faster would make doing mechanics unnecessary thing.

>>376608221
Really? I heard it was going to be three difficulties with no new content in terms of bosses, areas or enemies between the three.

>>376608195
I want to be able to attack the boss even when its invulnerable.

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>everyone always whined about a3s
>not being one ilm punch man master race

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>>376608195
>more burst
yes please.
I want to visibly blast away large chunks of a boss' health bar.

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>>376608315
Next you will post about evil FFlogging raiders not letting you have any fun

>>376608347
Did you even watch the fanfest? Did you listen to /v/ instead?

They're thinking of adding an extra fight for those who cleared all of Savage. It's supposed to be different, but it's not 100% certain if it's coming or not. Additionally floor 4 boss will have mechanics exclusive to savage like Brute Justice. All this was said during JP fanfest.

>>376608543
I occasionally browse XIV threads, I haven't been actively keeping up with anything about SB due to how disappointed I was with just about everything in HW aside from the main story. Saying that it's not a certain thing makes it sound like it's incredibly unlikely to me.

>>376607541
>and there was nothing of value in the first patch when it finally did come out
You mean you didn't enjoy such amazing and thrilling content like Void Ark, Lord of Verminion, and the Diadem?

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>>376609185
>one poorly designed raid, something that nobody plays and the bore-a-dem

>>376608195
I want absolute authority in dps, like a fellow said before me, all my dps should take visible chunks off in the right build. The only dps blm should be competing with in pure numbers is other blm, period

>>376606282
only cool thing is eye of azshara and court of stars
most of CoS was shit but the alchemy poisoning was kind of cool

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Okay okay okay Yoshi, that's nice and all, I see your BotD nuke, Ala mourn, and red BotD that is probably only a life surged Geirskogul.
WHERE IS MY FUCKING SUPERJUMP YOU FUCKING HACK.

>>376609632
I want Dragoon to get Dalamud dive and split into several dragoons that each hit an enemy near the target and each mob hit causes an AoE that stacks with itself.

>>376606491
If you've played both games you'd see they could each learn a bit from each other's strengths. I prefer 14 but wow does some interesting shit with their dungeons and layout

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>official monk aesthetic
>heterochromia
>cat

What did Yoshi mean by this?

>>376610328
what the fuck is this
fanmade?

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>>376610567
http://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/002033.html

>>376610794
supervaginalflower btfo

>>376610328
Is this ANOTHER generic MMO story where a two people in real life falls in love in-game or something

>>376610934
>another

name 5

>>376610934
It BROKEN NEW GROUND by having the girl being in a healthcare institution!

>>376610794
>That image
>That hairstyle
It's like poetry.

You know with the heavy reliance of instances in this game and the majority of people being at a major town most of the time, why do they even bother making zones? May as well put all your budget into making better instances and hubs like PSO2 and Guild Wars did.

>>376610934
Yeah.

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>actions going to be usable in gpose
>tfw imaging all the hours im going to spend making kinography

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WHM is still shit.

What is the point of emergency tactics? It replaces the shield with a heal but wouldn't in a emergency shielding would have the same effect? I see use in this for situations were someone needs to be healed asap but outside of that it doesn't seem practical.

>>376611096
Most of video game players don't finish games they purchase. Likewise, many people who buy MMOs actually never hit level cap. Going through MSQ campaign from start to finish alone can take 150-200 hours nowadays. This is the reason they put so much stock into their shitty MSQ scenarios, it's because that's what most players will actually see and that's what's marketable to non-MMO players. And well, that leveling campaign mostly happens in the open world zones.

There's this part where you retain subs by offering things to do at the cap but who cares when you have Mogstation!

>>376611369
>I see use in this for situations were someone needs to be healed asap
Are you saying you use it for

emergencies

>>376611027
.hack
sword art online
daddy of light
PSO2 the anime
that one other anime where the girl in-game was a guy irl

>>376611369
It's for when you need the actual heals. In general you'll use it on succor since it replaces the shield with doubled heals.Basically for healing raidwide damage.

You generally won't use it on Adloquium.

>>376611470
There are emergencies where the shield can suffice I'm sorry if I didn't clarify.

>>376611526
>daddy of light
I didn't know it would be about gay incest between a father and his son.

so does feast sync your ilvl down or is there a pvp mode where nothing is synced
someone fill me in

>>376611575
Thanks. It makes sense looking at this now since Succor's potency is lower.

>>376611369
imagine you're healing massive aoe, let's take Mhaci's Hellwind (Forgall), you can use soccour, but you can't spam it, the fairy's doing its own shit and probably the aoe hot is on CD (not like she's going to listen to your commands), or you could go with the other aoe heal, but you can't spam that either because of the CD, what do you do? you slap emergency and cast succour for a 300 pot aoe heal after a first succour, so you're not overwriting shields.
Else it's used when shit hits the fan and you need that emergency+adlo to top off a tank after giving him your lovely shield

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cKy5Qk0QMM

Will Soken beat the record with Omega?

>>376610328
>guy plays a male hyur in XIV who looks like him
>girl plays heterochromia femc@
>both seem to look better as their real selfs
So this whole thing is total fiction.

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>>376611765
>DYING DYING ELECTRICITY
Probably, not.

>>376611765
moebius > exponential entropy > timegate exponential entropy > locus
fight me
i just hope they will add more shit into savage bosses like brute justice getting wings

>>376612097
Didn't they talk about adding a third difficulty with more story or something?

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What's the first thing you do when you log in, /v/?

If your answer is anything other than summon wind-up succubus imma call you a pleb

>>376611765
Stormbloods success will be based on the OST alone.

>>376612202
Summon Angel of Mercy (male)

>>376612331
Sounds pretty good so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA18O1V_jjk&t=110s

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>>376610328
>Yu Fujiwara
I think that is just a random LN writer, unrelated to Yoshi and the rest of SE.
Pic related apparently is another LN by the same author.

>>376610934
Yeah, characters behind DRG and MNK are the players.
Girl is a depressed NEET that acts super happy and shit in game. Unfortunately, since it is supervised by SE, I don't think she got raped by her father or some dark plot twist, probably just bullying.

>>376611526
>that one other anime where the girl in-game was a guy irl
You can't tease me like that and not give me a name

>>376609632
>>376610135
THIS PLZ, i want my dive to split the earth in half or have some crazy animation, all the jump skills right now are fucking boring

>>376612202
>still summoning that old and busted succ
>not summoning new hotness scutch

>>376610328
Fuck man, i may buy that because of Noizi, she's my favorite artist

>>376611526
>>376611027
You forgot Overlord and Log Horizon

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>nobody gives a shit about MCH

>>376612724
it's the least played job in the game
mch is my alt job though

>>376612724
Good.

>>376612724
>MCH new AF look the same and still have that fucking sunglass to boot
You guys got cucked by Yoshi hard

>>376612724
Revolver of the wanderer exists, how could I not give a fuck about mch?

>>376611765
man I've fought this boss so many times but this looks like an entirely different game

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Sell me on ffxiv

>>376612880
But the glasses are the best part.

>>376612897
Too bad almost every gun looks like shit thanks to Gauss Barrel.

>>376612724
>Requires heavensward to play MCH
>levels 30-60 is hell as a DPS because of these long ass queues and no adventurer in need bonus
>almost identical to bard in gameplay from 30-50

Gee no wonder it's the least played role in the game.

>>376612880
I'll just continue wearing sky pirate vest or Alexandrian set when I wanna feel special.

I mean Midan! Midan set. Of course I have Midan set. Of course I do. I don't

>>376613030
Speak for yourself, that glasses make me look like a hipster

>>376612985
It's the best mmo currently out there. But that isn't saying all that much.

when are we going to get more build variety instead of one size fits all for each class

no dps wars do not count as variety

>>376612375
Can't hear shit, captain.

>>376613131
Turn up the volume

>>376612985
pretty much this >>376613092
its the best mmo you can play, but it doesnt do anything to make the mmo genre less niche
if you like mmos you'll like the game, if not, don't bother

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>>376613127
Healing tanking deeps WAR when

>>376604910
>but we know it'll just be a hallway
Each group going a different hallway would be better? Neck thyself.

>>376613092
The worst thing in this game by far is the community. You either have 80% of total scrubs who whine about people using parseing, 15% of people who don't even play the fucking game, and the rest are elitist pricks which I kinda had to be one just so I can clear shit. I know I'm part of the problem but I don't know how I can fix people who don't want to change.

>>376613127
at the end of the day, people will just google what X build is viable for Y content and everyone will follow that to not waste time and get shit done.

Hell people already do this now. People refuse to bring PLD/MNK because some nerd did the math and said they're inferior damage wise, now everyone follows that meta.

some of you on aether need to queue up for msq roulette so i can do castrum

>>376613281
That's why real life needs to implement honor killings. If someone is a garbage member of society it is your duty to purge the trash before the trash becomes worse and a drain on society.

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>>376612531
I think he is talking about Netoge no Yome, in one of the scenes the protagonist declares his love to a catgirl, but she rejects him by saying she is a guy irl. Plot twist is that she is a christmas cake using "I'm a guy" excuse.
After that protagonist gets involved with a "NORMIES REEEEE" NEET girl.

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>>376612724
>turns into a boring snorefest caster at lvl 52 just like BRD
I wonder why. A shame, because it's actually a pretty fun job at 50.

Remove Wanderer's Minuet/Gauss Barrel already.

>>376613475
You'd be first in line.

>A10S group demands I switch from PLD because muh meta
>have DRK equally geared so whatever
>go into instance
>can't even get up to the adds without people dying to stupid shit

I never knew how much I hated people who spew the meta and then fail to do basic things such as spreading or standing still until that moment.

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>>376613281
I hear a lot about the community here but i honestly didn't see anything bad, alright maybe sometime but not a lot. Or maybe NA server is just shit and it was a right decision to play on Tonbery for me

>>376613475
>t. DRK

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>>376612724
>MCH

>>376613686
have you gotten to a9s-a12s yet? It's when you get to the hardest stuff that you see this

>>376612985
I need to create a macro like this for the Garo sets.

>>376613731
my secret to enjoying this game is to not do savage raids

>>376611720
I did a dungeon where I used it for the aoe heal. Its pretty good. Sometimes when I want to save my stacks for DPSing more (lustrate) I use emergency tactics instead of indom. With a 30 second CD i can use it every pull just about.

>>376613514
There's literally nothing wrong with gauss barrel. Your basic skills have a 50% to make your next weaponskill instant with it on. You can also disable it if you have to move and attack and instantly turn it back on since it's a oGCD.

Wanderers Minuet is the real problem. It's clear they copy pasted it from MCH at last minute testing when they realized BRD DPS was lagging behind.

>>376613668
Leave a group the instant they demand to switch from PLD. It's a flag.

>>376613850
Oh so you're part of the 15% who doesn't play the game, I understand.

>>376613303
>at the end of the day, people will just google what X build is viable for Y content and everyone will follow that to not waste time and get shit done.
Goddamn this is a shitty mindset.
It's up to gamedevs to provide builds that are roughly equivalent but have different applications or playstyles. Yeah at the high end one will surely be mathematically outperforming, but if they're close enough it's gonna be fine for the majority of the population. At the very least make it possible to have two builds - one for AOE and one for single target. That's the most basic you can get. Maybe make some possibilities utility-based so whichever you choose it's just preference and has no real effect on damage you do. At the risk of triggering Yoshibrony, WoW has managed to do this right now. Most specs have more than one viable choice of talent builds. Even stat builds aren't always rigid because you might end up with a legendary item that completely alters what stat is more valuable to you.

Fuck, at least TRY to do this, I don't care if they fail.

White mage finally get some water elemental spell fucking finally

>>376613303
thats literally exactly why there needs to be more build variety, so there is no "nerd"(xeno) going to each piece of content endgame denoting that there is only one way to do it, and instead there will be multiple applicable ways to "get shit done" depending on the player compisition

>>376613918
>Savage is the entire game.
Small wonder you guys spend your days shitposting about the game rather than playing it.

But of course if the rest of the playerbase did do Savage, you'd start bitching endlessly about how 'bad' it is and now it's not 'special reeeeeeeeeeeeee'

>>376613514
Confirmed for never having played MCH at 60. It's nowhere close to BRD in terms of casting.

>>376613929
Sounds like a lot of work and wasted resources when in the end people will find out what build is objectively superior. WoW classes have like 3 different talent builds but people always bring 1 build to a raid or arena.

>>376613934
>elemental spell
there are no elemental spells in this game anymore

or do you just mean a spell that has a water animation?

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Aye senpai if any of you are on Gilgamesh and didn't get your Amazon Cloud Mount and other DLC, I'm selling all of the codes for 20 million gil.

Not joking.

>>376613686
People are garbage in this game and there is a reason why people stick to their niche groups.

It is bad enough that this game is overflooded with erps, lgbts, and other mentally ill people, but they can't be ass to at least be decent players.

I had a fucking drg the other day in the 51 dungeon where he never used Disembael > Chaos Trust. He just kept using the True Thrust rotation and when I called him out on it he logged out like the fag he is. Oh the pld who didn't have shield throw in Halaha NM. Or this war in Shatter who never once used her Storm Eye rotation.

Oh and don't even get me started on the fags who claim, "durr I cleared this before echo!", but then proceeds to fuck up mechanics in A12 and the white knights like Lyzi Hotpocket of Hyperion making excuses like hurr it's been a while for him give him a break. Looking at your Jin Shang fucking shitter

>tfw WAR master race for 2 more years

>>376613731
Nope, didn't sub since 3.2. I got to a3s with a static group when it was at it height, everyone was pretty nice, the NIN and I(DRG) shit talk to each other for fun a lot too.
The leaders was a couple too(NIN+SMN) at that, don't have drama and we progress nicely. Too bad everyone goes their own way because of real life stuff. It was the most fun i have in this game.
Rather then the community, the clique of FC is the thing i hate the most about this game.

>>376614202
i got one for free when a anon post a code in a thread some days ago.

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>>376614202

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>>376613668
>retards force meta comps they don't understand themselves for random PF groups thinking they'll get quick clears
>people join on jobs they have no idea how to play instead of their mains
>whatcouldgowrong

>>376614029
>instead there will be multiple applicable ways to "get shit done" depending on the player compisition
WoW already does this and it falls prey to the same trap. Build X is most optimal in Y content so we recruit Z composition. No exceptions unless you're best friends with the raid leader or doing a "learning" group on week 1 where everyone is still researching mechanics.

>>376614063
Aside from crafting, what else honestly is there? all Gold Saucer stuff and Beast Tribe dailies can be done while waiting for a group, Grand Company stuff is passive, Wonder Tails can be done just with an hour or so of running unsynced dungeons/fights, and anything else is just worthless shit like glamoring.

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>>376612202
Reminder that if you use /beckon, she'll land on your shoulder/head.

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>>376613624
I subscribe to NatSoc so no lol.

>>376614096
> WoW classes have like 3 different talent builds but people always bring 1 build to a raid or arena.
If there's one for arena, one for M+ dungeons and one for raid, that's already three.

>sounds like a lot of work
Yeah that's pretty much XIV devs and players. We could have an interesting game with depth but that sounds like a lot of work...

>>376612639
>Overlord

What part of Overlord? Ainz isn't in love with anyone.

>>376613668
same shit different raid

>ok we're training guys no salt
>cant skip soar not enough deeps
>ok thats fine just do the mechanic
>healers get buttfucked by soarx2 , never made it to adds phase
>UGH FUCKING SHIT DEEPS WE CANT DO THIS MOST EVERYBODY SKIPS SOAR DONT U READ THE PF BLABLABLA(sch and whm btw)
>dont blame me your stupid
>group disbands

i had a lovely time

>accuracy is likely disappearing
>parry is being changed
>new abilities look like they're AoE
>possible magic resistance cooldown

I'm optimistic about PLD.

>>376614389
Wanna know how I know you don't actually play WoW?

>>376614508
PLD getting aoe and a magic resist cooldown confirms that SE has literally no idea why PLD is uwanted in raids.

>>376614096
Should just make it like FFXI where you have builds for every situation by switching out gears. A gear build for magic damage taken, a gear for a magical weapon skill, a gear for a physical weapon skill, a gear build for higher amounts of accuracy when the boss boost it's evasion, etc.

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>>376614208
You made me have a flashback about when i was playing DRG, i have to teach my fellow dragon killers how to use potions and using rotations. Being a teachers of a bunch of dumbass is fun in its own right mind you

>>376614437
For some classes in WoW, there's only 1 viable build for specific content. For example the only hunters you see in mythic groups are marksman. For PVP, it's BM. Survival is the weakest despite being "viable" so nobody plays them in serious content unless it's a learning group or for shits n giggles.

>>376614672
But anon, having to think about what gear to wear is stressful!

>>376614598

It's a start, at least. If they're also going back to tune some of the older abilities then hopefully they'll realise how inferior some of them are compared to the WAR/DRK equivalents.

Maybe put the bloody Shield Oath at level 30 rather than Sword Oath while they're at it.

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>>376614598
>Give more spellcasting to PLD
JUST

>>376614672
Gear builds are a tricky thing because you can be denied from groups just because you didn't farm out that one hat.

>>376614749
That's true. It's not perfect. Not for every class, not for every spec. But it's the best it's ever been and the effort is there.

>>376614598
aoe is an actual problem for pld tho since most of the playerbase doesn't raid and aoe output is relevant for dungeons

>>376614437
Each spec in WoW is pretty much a different class, not a slightly different version of a base class. Sure, Ice Mage and Fire Mage are different enough that they could be considered different classes in XIV, but every Fire Mage will use nearly identical talents because WoW's talent balancing is awful. Choosing between Fire Mage and Ice Mage for a fight is like choosing between BLM and SMN in XIV.

many different mmorpgs have had and do make multiple builds a reality, xiv doesnt have to be WoW

>>376614389

>>376614931
Dungeons are also babby mode and no one cares what tank they get as long as they can hold aggro.

>>376614852
>But it's the best it's ever been and the effort is there.
Not him, and I haven't accompanied the whole conversation so bear with me, but isn't wow in it's worst period ever when it comes to discouraging people playing multiple specs and/or classes?

With AP and the legendary fiasco in Legion that is. Sure AK is a thing but it's ass.

>>376614821
>Swap shield and sword oath
>Give CoS at level 30 or rework it to provide the blind flash does and remove flash
>make shield-swipe cleave or something
>give them riot blade way earlier.
Those at the least would address PLD being complete and utter ass to play at low levels.

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>>376614937
I can pick between chi burst and chi wave depending on whether it's an aoe fight or a single target fight. I can choose Chi-ji when I'm lazy and I want some cheap snipe healing or Yu'lon statue when I actually need to tryhard and Synastry shit up. Movement talents are pretty much preference.

On DH I can choose Last Resort for progression or the shield talent. I pick up Spirit Bomb for M+ but go with stun thing otherwise.

Every day I play SCH is the same day as any other day. Every tier I'll spec my MCH for Crit and Det and curse when devs randomly assign skill speed as the main secondary stat for the raid gun.

I dunno. Options are always better. Even if they're worse. That's just an excuse not to try at all.

>>376614598
Long as drk does more damage than pld and make raids where every job is viable then pld will always be in the back of the bus.

>>376614394
This is a cat & lizard girl dress-up game, so glamour and manipulating the market board are the true endgame

>>376615156
Over the months they made it easier for Alts to catch up with artifact power. But it still is a shitty system that pretty much makes people that don't no life the game main 1 role so they don't fall behind. Combined with random legendary drops, it makes early progression a clusterfuck.

Give PLD better mp management and have every successful parry or block have a chance of making clemency instant cast.

>>376614513
Not that guy, but sure, tell me how your raid recruited retri paladins, balance druids and survival hunters. I played BC a lot and I assure, simply proposing to switch to one of these speccs wa enough to get kicked.
A pally HAD to be healer, with only 2 speccs, one for PVP and one for PVE, any other build will brand you as a troll, the other two simply didn't exist, same goes with most of the classes exept the OP ones

>>376615331
XIV's devs are under the impression that options frighten and confuse players.

>>376615639
To be fair though, xiv does have skill bloat. I mean, when was the last time any monk player used haymaker or featherfoot?

>people spewing muh options meme again

>>376615493
>TBC
lol
Balance Druid is in a super good spot right now by the way.

>>376615639
You have to remember that the game is balanced with Japanese console players that never touched a MMO in their life. XIV in Japan already has a stigma that it's too hardcore compared to other Japanese MMOs. It explains a lot with the direction and marketing they've going with for the past year. Making the game more accessible, remove non viable options, and make it easy for anyone to rejoin the game even if they haven't played in 3 years.

>>376615742
I still have Haymaker on my bar because it's been there since launch and everything would feel different and out of place since it was gone. Featherfoot is useful in rare situations, though. I used it to dodge Earthshakers in T13 and Sephirot.

>>376615639
XIV players get scared and confused by having to choose quest rewards. Or waking up in the morning.

>>376615639
In fairness, they're not wrong...

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>>376609384
Do DoTs tick even when the boss is invuln? A lot of bosses still have DoTs on them when they come back, but were they taking damage that whole time they were gone? Can you kill a boss while it's gone with a DoT?

>>376615639
XIV's playerbase is among the worst in online gaming history as well though. I'd love for more options of play, but its painfully apparent that if they did add those, nothing would get done.

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>>376615968
pleb

>>376615968
being scared and confused also apart of being excited you know

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>>376609632
>give all the cool shit like high jump and super jump to bosses
>give us shitty OC jumps
>we don't even get lancet

>>376616043
You could in ARR, you cannot in HW

>>376616108
Life Surge is Lancet

>>376616079
>>376616079
>pointing out XIV players are scared and confused by options is the same as being one
Reading comprehension!

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>>376616072
>pleb
Read the post again, you fucking idiot.

>>376615639
>XIV's devs are under the impression that options frighten and confuse players.
Given the state of the average player they're probably not wrong.

>>376616079
Back when MMOs were new, it was cool to be scared and lost because you couldn't just wiki anything on your dialup connection.

Now being scared and lost is a sure way to lose a paying customer.

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>>376614064
I don't give a shit how close it is to BRD in terms of casting, it still has casting, and just because you can get around it sometimes with lucky procs doesn't mean it's not still utter cancer. BRD and MCH are the only two jobs in the game that have functionality TAKEN AWAY from them once they hit a certain level, you don't change an entire job's core feature for no reason like that. Imagine if MNK suddenly lost the attack speed bonus from Greased Lightning once it hit a certain level and got increased damage to compensate, it'd cause a fucking uproar but apparently it's okay when it happens to ranged dps. I have seen new people stop playing the fucking game because they started out as BRD, hit 52, realized all the fun of the job was suddenly taken away from them and didn't want to spend an age leveling another job.

At least actual casters like BLM and SMN were built from the ground up with cast times in mind, for BRD/MCH it feels like they added it as an afterthought and made some of the abilities they were gonna get anyway exclusive to WM/GB because they knew no one would use that shit otherwise. If people wanted to play casters they'd level one of the actual caster jobs, and if Yoshi is so shit at balancing that he just can't design fights around people having both mobility and range then he should have just redesigned the jobs so they had cast times from level 1 to begin with rather than tease you with something that actually seemed fun until they almost hit 60.

It looks like shit, it feels like shit, it plays like shit, it's just complete and utter shit and the game would lose absolutely nothing of value if it were to removed.

>>376616392
Careful, you'll be called a pleb for some reason for pointing that out. >>376616072 >>376616079

>>376615742
Pvp.

>When it comes to massively multiplayer online role-playing games (Square Enix runs MMO Final Fantasy 14), revenue has shown "steady performance" but net sales and operating income declined significantly compared to the previous year

>operating income declined significantly
ruh roh

>>376616456
Don't forget datamining ruined mmos as well.

>>376616468
Shackling MCH and BRD to cast times was a lazy attempt at fixing their ability to flat out ignore nearly every raid mechanic there is because the FFXIV devs can't think of anything other than simon says with orange circles of you wipe.

>>376616623
Next time, don't leave out the actual important line:
>because of a lack of an expansion disc release.

>>376616468
but mch and brd became better after they got their caster mode

>>376616456
>Now being scared and lost is a sure way to lose a paying customer.
To be fair it's not because gamers are pussies these days THOUGH THEY ARE it's because there's so much choice of entertainment. When it was your mom's money you got one game and THAT'S FUCKING IT, it's too hard? Well you better get good coz you aren't getting another one for a month.

Nowadays though. Oh well. This game is too hard. I'll just get something else like a tool I am.

Just cut my life into pieces famiglia.

>>376616840
But where's the alarmist shitposting in that?

>>376616730
Was this even a problem back in ARR? I didn't start playing this game until after Heavensward released but I don't remember anyone ever complaining about BRD being op back in 2.x because of their mobility.

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>>376616271
>>376616543
My meme is just too high for you guys
It's 11PM here and english is not my main language, pls no bully

>>376617495
People don't remember BRD suffering in T7 for some reason

>>376617495
BRDs were insanely powerful at launch but that got taken care of pretty quickly.

>>376617495
I didn't raid a ton back in ARR but there were a handful of fights where we had the BRD of the group handle anything that required movement. They also did less damage back then too. BRD used to be a support job, neither MCH or BRD are these days. Full DPS with utility.

>>376617495
I played BRD at ARR launch and it was super strong.

>>376606794
>afford to gear up
you wot m8?
gearing up doesn't cost gil

>>376617745
>he isn't a shitter that buys only crafted gear and pentamelds it
It's like you want to play the actual game and not just show off your (not so) massive Ilvl

>Vanu vanu quests give less reputation than Vath quests
>Vanu Vanu quests also start lower down the reputation ladder


??????????? For what fucking purpose??????

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>>376616456
Making a terrible build in Ragnarok Online based on my mediocre experience with RPG stats was fun until I discovered everything I knew about stats was wrong and there was no way to reset my stats (before rebirth happened), forcing me to go back to level 1 with a new character (this is fine in fast-paced games like Diablo, but not in korean-designed grinding hells). But I admit I had fun sending stupid hobos to Glast Heim with my teleport spell.
You need to find the balance between the wonders of discovery and the horrors of mistakes, or else you just surprise people with something annoying and the player will just use his free time to play something else instead of spending hours trying to figure out how basic shit works. Phantasy Star Online did this extremely well, by setting rules about how the game works (enemies archetypes, weapon types, class limitations, etc) and them breaking them as you progress in the game (old enemy types surprising you with more aggressive AI and new tricks, completely new weapon types you can't find anywhere else, typical melee weapons that are specifically designed for mages, new MAGs so you can switch builds mid-combat, etc). It's fun to discover new possibilities, not to find out that the "possibility" you picked is actually terrible and you should feel bad about your life choices.

>>376617887
It's just numbers, they require the same amount of time.

>>376617887
Because it was the first HW beast tribe.

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Can someone post the tiddy slider comparison for each race?

>>376617887
>meanwhile ARR beast tribes take fucking forever

when are they nerfing this?

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>>376617859
>not paying a few shekels to not have to kill yourself doing casual mode for 2 weeks after only having 2 dungeons to do 2 weeks before that

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/6ak45w/raid_data_compilation_and_analysis_of_a12s_party/
Pretty funny how you can clearly see the skill levels and job balances in this one. The moment you drop under the 75th percentile DRK and AST are replaced with PLD and WHM

>>376618181
So people smart enough to choose the stronger job are also smart enough to break purple parse? Tfw to intelligent.

>>376618181
>shitter healers can't handle shuffling cards while healing
>shitter tanks can't handle more than babbymode
really makes you think

>>376618154
no matter what you set it at, lalafell is always perfect flat

>>376618164
They got nerfed a long time ago.

>>376617948
I still remember that forest variation and if I recall the ambush that follows shortly after. PSO still hasn't been topped IMO.

>>376617745
>reading comprehension

it does if you want to bother gearing up multiple classes

tomestone lockouts are retarded

>>376618164
They won't touch anything ARR-related ever again, shit is working as intended.

>>376618312
>the midget race appealing to the pedos is always flat no matter what
Really makes you think.

How long will DPS queues be in 4.0?
30min+ is given

>>376618181
Yet people somehow think DRK and PLD compete for a spot when DRK clearly dominates it.

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>Lalafells are fucking squids

>>376618618
I doubt it will be any different at 70. But 50-60 will be hell.

>>376618618
get some tank friends

>>376618549
can anybody reasonable defend tome lockouts besides garunteed need to subscribe multiple times for full shire

>>376618796
This. At level cap the queue times balance out pretty fast but good luck in leveling dungeons

>>376607635
>Loving this meme! A3S was killed before week 3 when people got weapons.

Holy shit you're a fucking idiot. "Gordias was fine!" is the fucking meme. Toshi himself said it was overtuned. Everyone and their grandmother save for edgy contrarians agree Gordias was hog shit.

>>376618906
Lockouts/weekly caps are great, they mean I don't have to spend hours every single day grinding dungeons or world quests to keep my ilvl up. Crafted gear is more than strong enough for alt jobs.

>>376615491
PLD re-appearing in raids is almost completely dependent on how hard MNK will hit in SB and if the tank busters are more physical than magical. If MNK end up as top DPS or have extremely good synergy with the new DPS jobs (protip: they most likely won't), PLD is likely to come back in order to not have an overlap with Delirium/Dragon Kick and have a -10% STR on boss instead.

>>376612724
I main MCH. I'm curious to how Stormblood effects us and exactly how useful Flamethrower will be. Seems like it will be a new Spread Shot but with fire.

>>376619075
I didn't say Gordias was good I said it was not overtuned. If you can't tell the difference eat shit.

>>376614821
WHY THE FUCK IS SWORD OATH AT 30
WHY THE FUCK IS SHIELD OATH AT 40

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>>376618181
Neato stuff.
I wish race stats had a minor but visible impact on this, race wars would be even more hilarious.

>>376619235
Gordias WAS overtuned dumbass. The devs themselves said so and that's why Midas and Creator was so toned down in comparison.

>>376619081
>they mean i dont have to spend hours grinding
>you literally do irregardless

what did he mean by this

>>376619085
No, PLD making a comeback relies on DRK getting changes. DRK does more DPS, has essentially the same cooldowns and can tank any physical fight easily, and has Reprisal on top of Delirium. Unless MNK is brokenly strong you'd still rather get INT down from DRK and get raidwide DPS increases from DRG+NIN, because being able to burst a lot harder is better than doing slightly higher consistent DPS.

>>376619298
Because aggro is easy until 40 when DPS get skills like GL3/AF3, enemies don't hurt until Stone Vigil, and PLD doesn't anything locked behind Shield Oath like IB or Souleater healing.

>>376619343
Devs don't know shit about their own game when they say anima weapons are better than diadem weapons despite the latter having 3 WD up on 275 relic.

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>>376619372
>irregardless

>>376619410
Relics can very easily be better than Diadem weapons because of secondary stats. And you if say otherwise, you're the one that doesn't know shit about the game.

>>376619418
>fast doggo chasing 15 scripts

>>376619410
>when they say anima weapons are better than diadem weapons despite the latter having 3 WD up on 275 relic.
>Secondary stats no longer matter
>Being able to adjust secondary stats to your liking is not in any way more powerful than poopsocking for a 1% chance of a weapon dropping with stats that can be completely random.

>>376619410
what is diadem

>>376619495
Diadem weapons require an extremely small amount of secondary stats to be better than a relic. You'd need to be really unlucky to not get that amount.