What games have the best gunplay?

Strafe

Dusk

Certainly not Half Life

Immortal Redneck

Max Payne 3

Half-Life

Half-Life Source

F.E.A.R
Stranglehold

overwatch was the most fun ive had actually shooting

game was shit though, but gunfire feedback was delicious

Brutal Doom

BLACK = gun porn

Call of Juarez:Gunslinger.

>>376587336
Is this a joke? The guns feel like absolute garbage in Overwatch.

F.E.A.R.
Max Payne

>>376587432
No it really isn't.
It was good at the time but it's sub par today.

>>376587468
then just call be the grouch because i live for this shit

>>376587078
Red Orchestra, Killing Floor.

>>376587547
Bullshit, and you know it.

>>376587336
The guns in OW feel like shit though. I feel like you have a limited experience with shooters

>>376587078
Re4
Dead Space
Half Life 1 had great gunplay. HL2 not so much, though I'll give episode 2 props for mastering the gravity gun and making it feel like it serves a purpose and not feel gimmicky.

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Metro 2033

>>376587432
Socom 2 and Black had the best guns on the PS2.

>>376587078
Definitely not that one.

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E.Y.E Divine Cybermancy has pretty good guns

>>376587591
Gonna agree red orchestra

bleedouts were just as satisfying as heart/head shots

>>376587621
Take off the nostalgia goggles and play it again.
Guns are all left handed being held in the right and animations aren't that great. It was a good game over a decade ago but it certainly isn't "gun porn"

>>376587078
How is good gunplay defined? Like is it just feedback from firing a gun and how an enemy reacts to being shot?

>>376588009
Yep

Mount And Blade: Napoleonic Wars.

Soldier of Fortune 1 and 2

>>376588143
That game was like playing the damn lottery, anon

Halo 5 of all things feels really fucking nice to me. The Battlefield games also have had consistently good aimfeel and gunplay

>>376588187
That's what makes the gunplay so good, it was like "One more turn" except with your gun. And pegging a guy in the head at 200 meters at the beginning of the game is so satisfying.

>>376588009
Sound, animation, style, and enemy reaction.
Realism is a bonus but it not at the sake of style or gameplay.
Furthermore every gun should have a use and be effective, if you make a really good gun but it takes 30 shots to kill anything it won't feel very fun to use.

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>>376587794
>Can have an extra round by leaving one in the chamber if you reload without exhausting your rifle's entire magazine

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>>376588516
> if you make a really good gun but it takes 30 shots to kill anything

>>376587078
Haven't played it in a while but FEAR is the one I remember most. Every bullet felt like an event because of all of the dust, parallax decals, sparks and particles, and the way the game had tons of dynamic lights and physical clutter that'd react to being shot.

>>376588662
I'm talking about sound and animation quality.

>>376587078
Modern Warfare 2 and Bad Company 2

The sound, visuals, recoil, feedback, animations, the bullet drop in BC2. Everything was so perfect

Fuck the houndeye room.

>>376587840
Agreed, I just wish they had larger magazines

dual wielding full auto pistols is fun as fuck, till you realize that they only have 20 rounds each, this made even worse due to the firerate being bonkers

Destiny.

Yeah yeah I know,I also don't care. Say what you want about the game's lack of content but mechanically the game felt smooth as butter.

Also, the AK-47 feels satisfying to fire on almost any game.

cs:go

/v/ babbies hate it because it's just simply the best

Insurgency.

>>376588948
CS:GO does everything wrong, horrid gun models, gun sounds that get worse with every patch and hands down the worst recoil handling of any first person shooter

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can you hear it /v/

>>376588941
Can't wait for Destiny 2 on PC. If they can deliver the same gameplay with an unlocked framerate it will only be that much better.

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Jagged Alliance 2. Can't have good gunplay in first person shit tbħ

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>>376587078
has to be this, it's in the title

>>376589130
Day of Defeat: Source

That mother fucker ruined servers

>>376589186
$10 bucks says the port is going to be disaster. Bungie has not done a PC game in years, so chances are it is going to be farmed out to a 3rd party developer and will be half assed. Add Activation in the mix and how little of a shit they give to PC owners, and you have a recipe for shit.

With that said, I do hope it turns out OK, since I did want to play Destiny without the retarded console controls.

I want a real shooter with the kind of ammo creation in New Vegas...not many games do different ammo types.

>>376588217
>>376588941
Halo 5 and Destiny unironically have the best gunplay of any current gen FPS games. Every weapon feels distinct and weighty, plus the sound design is on point
>the little "clink" of Destiny's hand cannons
>the cracking sound effect upon getting a headshot in Halo 5

>>376589423
GUN'S NOT JUST ABOUT SHOOTIN', IT'S ABOUT RELOADIN'

>>376589319
Don't think so, Activision would have to be stupid to not realize Destiny has the potential to be really big on PC. Borderlands 2 maintains a large playerbase to this day, the Division sold a ton even if it died instantly because of how shit it was.

For what its worth in their recent quarterly investor call they claimed it was going to be a high effort port with all the advanced features people expect on PC. If it was an afterthought for them I don't think they would bother bringing it up.

ARMA does tactical well, Cyuka Strike feels tight and smooth, DOOM brings the classic to modern day. There are tons but those three stand out for me.

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New Doom.
This gun in particularly, especially in turret mode when it annihilate everything.
Game has all sort of good weapons and upgrades/modifications are great.

>>376589745
I hope so, because the way CoD was handled on PC has been pretty shit so far.

>>376589870
Because CoD stopped selling on PC a long time ago, so they stopped caring and the ports had progressively less effort put into them.

FEAR and wolfenstein TNO both have really chunky weapons
too bad wolfenstein is shit
>>376589783
they are ok but how they balanced them is shit, besides the pistol and gauss they are all in the same tier rather than being a diverse set of tools for any situation

>>376589745
Oh so a PC port has already been confirmed? That's great

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>>376589479
They'd have to incentivize it better, in New Vegas I never really felt the need for other ammo types because
>ammo was everywhere and generally cheap
>if you just aim for the head in VATS or not, it'd instagib everything
>if it didn't, you switched to a different weapon and then it did
>extra ammo was just extra weight
NV didn't really make me feel like I had to use extra ammo types and I never felt the need too, but I think it was more of a downside of the game's other mechanics than the actual way different types functioned.

>>376590265
They announced it when they announced the game.

>>376587078
what is "gunplay"

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>>376589968
>they are all in same tier rather than being a diverse set of tools for any situation

What did he mean by this?

>>376590379
elements of gameplay related to the use of guns

>>376590430
>using a word to define itself

>>376589423
>puts only 3 bullets in the chamber
>you can visibly see it
>6 filled
Should've just made Leon use a speedloader

>>376587078
RE4

>>376587078
killing floor made me feel the force when i was shooting weapons

>>376587078
As a Half-Life fanatic, anything but Half-Life.

>>376590512
where did I use the word gunplay, cake boy?

>>376590631
You restated the term in a way that was identical to the term itself, anon

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>MGS4 was essentially gunporn
>MGS5 completely drops the ball

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So hard to find games with good gunplay nowadays.
I've yet to find anything that surpasses KF1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOQGMTRwlao

>>376590732
do I really need to define gameplay and gun for you? In any case, you'd get a decent idea if you read the thread
>>376588516

>>376590771
The scrake having a head hitbox that moved into the arm/shoulder was stupid

Do agree though

>>376590867
Not even that anon. You legitimately restated the term.

>>376590873
yeah always annoyed me they never fixed the hitbox but you get used to it.

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>>376590867
Don't respond to that retard he's just shitposting.

>>376590749
Holy fuck guns in MGS5 were so terrible, not to mention you are encouraged to never shoot anyone because of muh peace.

>>376590925
I'll admit that I didn't actually put effort into it because the question had already been asked as one of the earliest posts in the thread. But also I would say that it's not hard to figure out yourself if you take a few seconds to actually consider the parts of a game that feature a gun
>the design
>the animation
>the sounds
>the statistics of damage, magazine size, reload speed etc

>>376591132
All good. Was just poking fun at you not routing him to that post in the first place

>>376587794
I need to replace Metro. I'm a bit of pleb with good gunplay games, but their shitty, post apocalyptic guns felt like pure sex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI50Ekjbpmc

>>376587078
blood

>>376591279
Are there any other games that do pneumatic rifles as well as metro?

>>376587078
How the fuck does nobody on this shitty board know about Escape From Tarkov. Literally the best gunplay you will ever experience and its still in alpha. Jesus fuck this board is actually fuckin cancer

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The game that made me believe shooters with a joystick were possible.

>>376591409
Maybe it's due to EA/unfinished games being irrelevant

>>376590749
While the gunplay itself wasn't really good, I did like how the enemies reacted to being shot, especially by sniper rifles.

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>>376591409
Fuck off shill nobody wants to play your early access dayz clone.

>>376591524
Lmfao the game gets updates often as fuck and is already better then half the garbage shooters out there. this games been in alpha like 8 months and has improved heavily in these 8 months.

>>376591605
Dayz clone? holy shit kys you filthy cucklord faggot. The sound alone in this game is 10x better then most of these shitty games and the guns are more realistic then anything you or I have ever played. I'm a shill for supporting a game thats gonna be one of the GOAT for realism, k.

>>376591409
>game so shit its own developer regequits during stream
Yeah, nah.

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>>376590521
Nobody ever said RE4 was realistic.

>>376591768
>even shill quality has gone downhill lately
Now that's just sad.

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Fucking love the sound of this gun.

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>>376590749
>>376591075
>MGS4 had unique load animations for each gun; unique animations based on whether or not their magazines were empty; moving parts; open bolt weapons that actually fired from an open bolt; ejected cartridges that included both fired and unfired models (and, in some cases, their disintegrating links)
>meanwhile MGSV has an arsenal of samey, fake guns, without any differentiation between loaded and unloaded states
What the hell happened?

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Unironically pic related
as shit as the game is at basically everything else, the gunplay is amazing

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>>376591670
Shill harder, desu

>>376588941
>lightly pull trigger on DS4
>the hammer of the hand cannon goes back, doesn't fire

I fucking love Destiny, yet understand it's shortcomings. What could have been and what we got is extremely disappointing, but I still loved playing it. Destiny 2 on PC will almost certainly fix any problem

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>>376591979
You're joking right?

>>376590273
You never used really ammo-hungry guns, then. I love bullet-hoses, and minigun is a hungry and demanding one. No other gun shreds enemies like it can, though, so I'm okay with that. There's something very satisfying about breaking hundreds of various rifle rounds to make thousands of 5mm JSP.
>using VATS

>>376590379
literally a meme

>>376587078
On console probably destiny or halo 3, on PC probably doom remake

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>>376591979
But that's literally one of the most underpowered and unfun weapons to ever be created in all of vidya.

>>376592492
PWOP PWOP PWOP PWOP

>>376591785
What happened?

>>376592632
HL2 in general had really shitty weapon design.

>>376591409
Your on /v/ where everyone has shit taste and likes games that are niche and unpopular or no one has heard of them. Escape from tarkov does have one of the best gunplay i've seen. Up there with metro

>>376592819
>everyone has shit taste and likes games that are niche and unpopular
Not everyone here are retarded or have to be.

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Fucking stalker games, man
>start with hobo sawn off and macaroni fights, no armour, every shot counts
>mid game warsaw pact overload, armour everywhere so people can take a few shots, still fairly inaccurate guns
>late game perfection, NATO guns with perfect accuracy, AP ammo and night vision turns you into a killing machine
>different accuracy and drop off with every gun, damage based on bullet type

>>376587104
bad meme :(

>>376592819
We'll just take your word on it until it's actually released.
Much like most of the apparent aks in the game, it's incomplete.

>>376593051
Stalker gunplay is such a meme.
>automatic weapons deal less damage to enemies for a period of time after the first hit
Wow!

>>376587962
>>376587621
This nigga is right. Black is fucking trash gun pornwise. Also i hated how a grenade could only be thrown like 1 fuckin meter.

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>>376590771
>Tripwire is the best at making both over the top action packed gunplay and slow terrifying PTSD inducing relistic war games

How in the fuck do you get this good?

>>376587540
>>376587181
Max payne 3 is a conundrum. Worst story and 200000 hours worth of cutscenes but I constantly download that bloated 30gig game on steam to replay it because it had the best guns no doubt. Even if you don't like it just take a gander at the animations. They animated the bolts and magazines and everything. Fucking brilliant.

>>376589783
NuDoom's gunplay is great but it sure as fuck isn't because of that thing in turret mode. What IS great is switching between the rocket launcher, HMG, plasma gun and shotgun and their two mods, fully upgradable and with the dex tree maxed.

But the game gives you very little opportunity to do so before throwing enemies that just have health so high you need to use the upgraded version.

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>>376593206
Hello there easy mode shitter. If you're playing on easy difficulties you sometimes take no damage. This also applies to enemies because of a bug. No such thing as less damage from automatics exists and even if it does and you're struggling that's because you're not very good at videogames.

t. only plays stalker and mods on master difficulty

>>376593051
>NATO guns with perfect accuracy, AP ammo and night vision
You forgot WEAPON JAMS, WEAPON JAMS EVERYWHERE

>>376593410
Is it possible to mod it so that shit kills you real fast but you kill shit really fast?

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>>376593228
Speaking of which
>RS2 final beta starts today
Can't wait to light up some gooks

>>376593206
I think youre confusing STALKER with Fallout 4, love. Stalker has different ammo types for different foes. Use reg ammo for bandits and mutants and AP for armored foes.

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>>376593586
>be poorfag
>get paycheck next week
>refresh inbox hoping for an invite
>"Thank you for your Pizza Hut order"

>>376587709
>implying the sound design in overwatch isn't legitimately great

the only bad part about overwatch is that it's a competitive game and all that comes with that
>salty awful playerbase
>balance incredibly important to the game but always flimsy at best
>etc

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>>376593483
using the l85 in stalker is a special kind of masochism

>>376593437
Read this thread and educate yourself, so maybe you look less like a blind ignorant fanboy next time: http://www.gsc-game.com/index.php?t=community&s=forums&s_game_type=xr&thm_page=&thm_id=23742&page=1&sort=ASC&sec_id=11

>Only the first shot that hits in automatic fire does real damage. The subsequent rapid-fire shots are weakened considerably (see time_to_aim below), probably for extending battles. This makes the enemy seem invulnerable during their hit animations. ZRP has an optional "show damage" mode that you can activate to see this. Shoot him in the torso to stagger him, then shoot a more vulnerable spot like his head. See the ZRP's gamedata\config\creatures\m_stalker.ltx, the [stalker_damage] section for vulnerabilities, and remember that armor modifies these vulnerabilities to make them even tougher.


>>376593483
Enemies sometimes drop guns in perfect condition for some reason so I never found durability to be a problem. Except for unique guns, since you can't repair them.

>>376593723
Just say Blizzard; competitive has little to do with the shit balancing

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>>376593734
Poor L85

>>376593534
What? You can't upgrade your guns in to making you glass mage. Well turret modes do kind of make you vulnerable since you not jumping around.

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Black. Criterion should stop making Burnout games and more FPS desu.

Also Bungie's Halo games. Because they go beyond gunplay, and perfectly combine guns, grenades, melee and vehicles in a tight package where everything just works, is well balanced, and is fun as fuck.

>>376593878
Criterion doesn't even make burnout games anymore.

>>376590771
Killing Floor 2

>>376587461
If youre a /k/ faggot like me then you will realize every animation mistake instantly. That being said its still a fun fps. Very short though. I do see it on sale paired up with FC3 Blooddragon all the time though. Both are very fun.

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>>376593742
You're the one embarassing yourself by saying you struggle with stalker m80. it has no impact on the game itself. Human enemies die in 2-3 shots regardless of this, making it only apply to muties, which are meant to be tough.

Just use mozambique drill if you can't aim for the head. One or two in the chest, one in the head.

>>376594036
for the better, paradise wasn't as neat as takedown

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>>376594060
>KF2
>Good gunplay

>>376594085
Paradise sucked

>>376593795
there's no competitive game with truly perfect balance

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>>376594228
correct

>>376594274
That's a bit of a cop out defense.
Asymmetrical games do have inherent balancing issues, but that doesn't mean it's impossible

>>376587794

Metro was incredibly fun on the hardest difficulties. I used to keep a Modded shotgun and modded Revolver with me at all times, but if I didn't want to waste bullets I'd find another weapon and use that.

It was a shame that you could cheat your way out of dying from lack of oxygen by just switching you filters on and off. Used to do that all the time when there were no enemies.

The secret karma was annoying though, even in my third playthrough where I did everything I could that would've been considered good, I still got the bad end.

>>376587558
>>376587468
>>376587336
Overwatch weapons are just clones from old school style weapons. So its not suprising they feel ok. At least half of the roster is clones from old fashion fps games.
>Pharrah=Every fps rocket launcher ever
>Reaper=Every fps shotgun ever
>Sym/Winston=Any electric weapon ever, especially Painkiller's Electro Driver
>Junkrat=Quake/TF2's and every fps grenade launcher ever.
The list goes on, man. Overwatch is fun and all but it is very far from original or even best.

>>376594110
ye it has one of the best gunplays
take off your meme nostalgia glasses and actually play killing floor 2
its better in almost every way than killing floor 1

>>376594110
I'd love to hear how KF2 has bad gunplay, the guns are satisfying as fuck. The only bad thing I can think of is the sound of medic weapons.

>>376594603
So why don't you state why?
I can tell you right now the hunting shotgun and xbow were better in KF1.

The xbow in KF1 could 1-3 shot kill most special specimen. Hell, the same goes for the hunting shotgun, too.

>>376593878
God damn it, Reach and 3 need official ports. Halo Online doesn't have shit when it comes to how fucking good those two felt.

Rage, the game itself was shit, but the gunplay was satisfying.

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>>376594909

>>376594683
If you actually think this you didn't play KF1. KF2's are a downgrade in every way. Guns are significantly quieter than they were in the first game and the animations aren't anywhere near as stylish. Just compare the shotguns or the lever action for christs sake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFyIW7eEr8o&t=4m50s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvKgXdaiFrc&t=6m35s
Not even a contest.

>>376594815
Two guns being weaker than in the previous game isn't an argument, but the crossbow being projectile instead of hitscan is an argument in favor of KF2, it's better weapon design. An actual argument in favor of KF1 would be "the hunting shotgun sounded more powerful".

Bulletstorm.

>>376587337
This. Project Brutality is so satisfying. Blowing holes in imps and zombies as they flip across the room in a trail of limbs and blood feels so right.
No modern games seem to be able to emulate it.

>>376594815
>better graphics
>better sound design
>better gun feel (on most guns)
>better animations
>you actually get a sense of the damage you are dealing especially with shotguns
>better gore
>better enemy design
I can tell you havent played killing floor 2 by the way you talk about the hunting shotgun and crossbow
playing support in kf2 with AA12+RPG or hunting shotgun+medic shotgun+RPG is pretty fun

>>376595131
>It's not an argument when I say it isn't!
>>376595089
This anon only further solidifies why 2 isn't as good

test

>>376594434
Not him, but I always looked at Overwatch as a mishmash of shooter concepts from all across the board. McCree is a gunslinger right down to his ult being deadeye from every western shooter ever. 76 is a modern military protag with the rifle/underbarrel/sprint/regen health. Junkrat and Pharah are there for the quake weapons, etc.

It being a not-crossover is why I was interested in the first place

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>>376591979
Bait.

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>>376595287

>>376594076
I never said I struggled with Stalker. It's an easy game with bad/bizarre shooting mechanics and occasionally good atmosphere.

>>376593858
I meant like is there an ini file or something you could mess with to change the damage or health % of everything

>>376595287
You're also showcasing how shit 'classes' are in 2 versus 1 as well

>>376591409
The reload animations made me preorder the game. I've put some hours into the alpha/beta and it's got a lot of potential.

I tried a multiplayer match with a friend the other day, it was bizarre. We spawned in Factory super far away from eachother, and a bunch of people running around between us. We couldn't meet up, and we couldn't tell if we were fighting other bots, humans, or both. He got cornered and killed eventually, and I managed to make it out with an AK and a Saiga from just a pistol start.
I really want to play this game, and I really want to just play it co-op against AI. I hope there's more focus on that down the line.

BFBC2

>>376592005
Still not better than 1.
I hear the fire and reload sounds of the original Gauss Rifle in my dreams.
They're good dreams.

I'm a sucker for gunplay and my favourites are:
>Insurgency
>Killing Floor series

Right now what surprised me was GTA V with the Redux mod.

Pop that fucker in first person and it's really satisfying to shoot guns, especially handguns.

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>>376595089
I agree that the new crossbow is shit and the shotguns were better in the first game. Support was my favorite class and I hardly play it anymore because only the trench gun is satisfying. But everything else feels a lot better in KF2: melee weapons, explosives, assault rifles, pistols are all straight improvements.

>>376595089
I have 700 hours in KF1 and 900 in KF2; I can't see what's different about the reloading animations. As for the sound, that's just cherry picking.

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>>376595287
>better graphics
Texture quality sure but artstyle wise fuck no.
KF2 dropped KF1's gritty horror movie style which is what made it iconic in the first place.
>better sound design
If you like guns that sound like peashooters sure
>better animations
Again wrong, KF1's animations has much more flair and style.
>you actually get a sense of the damage you are dealing especially with shotguns
Looks like someone already forgot about the disaster that was the resistances update. Stalkers and crawlers being able to shrug off point blank shotgun blasts, how fun.
>better gore
Sure
>better enemy design
I refuse to believe anyone is this delusional, does this look like a fucking upgrade to you?

>>376595089
are you serious
KF1 animations have tons of clipping and are nowhere as near as fluid as KF2
just because the guns shake when you fire them and are louder doesnt mean they are better
And what do you mean stylish. Style is personal preference most of the time
I mean you prefer shitty choppy animations with lots of clipping issues and I prefer tacticool fluid animations which one is better?
>>376595479
>has more hours in kf2 even tho it released like a million years later than kf1

Stop defending kf1
Your arguments so far have been "guns are louder" "more stylish" "gun x doesnt do as much dmg in sequel"

>>376596032
He looks tiny when you put them next to each other but in game KF2 fleshpounds are lot more scary and dangerous than they were in the first game

>>376596183
Yeah, that sodium filled manlet sure looks scary

>>376596032
>actually believing that image
they are almost the same height ingame stop shittalking
https://youtu.be/27-Y3E__bPw?t=57s
https://youtu.be/bWsK4FQcNso?t=5s

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>>376596035
>just because the guns shake when you fire them and are louder doesnt mean they are better

>>376587078
Destiny. Hate the game for any other reason, I don't care, but no game on the market right now comes close to the gunplay of Destiny.

>>376587078

Hitman Absolution. It's the only good thing about that game.

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>>376596385
He's not worth it, anon.
You can state reasons for days.

>>376596292
>lanky joke you can kite forever
vs
>big pile of muscle that will rage and fuck your shit up if you don't kill it quick

>>376596538
KF2's looks like modeling clay

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>ctrl+f "insurgency"
> 2 results

eww people...

Insurgency and by extension Day of Infamy have some of the most satisfying gunplay out there.

Also RO2/RS and Killing Floor 1/2 are basically gun porn when it comes to shooting mechanics.

Rising Storm 2 beta wave 7 this evening btw.

>>376587547
>>376587962
>>376593210

kill yourself, Black was fucking amazing

next gen Black should have been incredible but the leftists took over by then and ruined it

>>376587078
Killing Floor 2.

>>376596607
this, I don't think I'd ever shit myself out of primal fear the same way I used to when a FP got the drop on my in KF1 with the new design, or most of the new designs for that matter. They're just less scary

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Gunplay for me isnt about superficial aspects. What makes gunplay fun is managing weapon mechanics and enemy mechanics together. My favorite gunplay in vidya hands down is DOOM and Serious Sam Fusion (cheating because it has both encounters in it kek). And you ever get that feeling where you love every little thing about each gun and could endlessly use them? Thats how I feel about these games. Except for the pistols, both games have shitty pistols.

>>376596654
this
also there's that vietnam mod, born to kill
made me really wish for a cold war fps

>>376595215
Try Killing Floor 2. Do the same as in Project Brutality, but in slow motion and detailed 3d hitboxes for every metal tube on monsters model.

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>>376596693
How could you not find this terrifying?

>>376587078
Wolfenstein 2009.

>>376593395
It is third person. Not sure, that it can compete with first person. But if we play like that, then Gears of war 4 is pretty good at how guns feel and being animated.

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>>376596768
>jump
>shoot
>fly backwards for a dodge
love it

>>376587078
Doom has the funnest.

Black has the best combination of realism and fun.

>>376590939
They fixed it in Killing Floor 2. Was engine limitation. With Unreal Engine 3 now they can have headshots on rolling enemies and bullet hits on GoreFast blade, that make him stumble.

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>>376595215
>still can't get Project Brutality to run

>>376587803
>Socom 2

Now there goes a game forgotten into the dustbin of history. NOBODY talks about those games ever on here.

>>376591598
Sniper Elite V2 does sniper rifles well.

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Shadow Warrior 2

It's satisfying as all hell

>>376591768
"Realistic" and "Good feeling" are two different things. Like, because of laws of physics you can't send enemies flying and losing limbs. That is why I prefer Killing Floor 2 to Rainbow 6 Siege.

>>376596654
Weapon sounds arent good, though. Luckily there are mods for that

>>376591409

If it's not on Steam, it might as well not exist.

>>376596654

Count down for RS2 next beta.

http://rs2vietnam.com/

>>376598020
Dude, are you kidding me? The guns in SW2 and the first one are fucking AWFUL. The animations are slow and amateurish, a bullet impact on an enemy has no effect because everyone has soooo much health, and the reload animations are terrible. Nothing in the whole game has a satisfying sound, and slow fire rates that depend on weapon upgrades (which is a huge flaw of the game, half my game time was shifting through menus applying upgrades) make guns especially unsatisfying. I got the double barrel shotgun wanting to love it but it takes two years to reload and wait in between shots. Just awful. Shooting an lmg looks like a little kid is playing with it, shaking it around.

>>376592815
Only crossbow and gravity gun were good.

>>376596907
I've put a fair amount of time into KF2, it's good for sure, but doesn't have the same kinetic action/reaction feel to it, or the speed.

>>376587840
It really bothers me that there is no auto reloading in EYE.

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>>376587078
team fortress 2

>>376598271
Shotgun and magnum are good. GG is barely a weapon.

>>376591813
God damn.

>Leon's right thumb
Vs.
>The entire US Marines Corps in the present day.

Which would win?

>>376598319
The day that came out was the most fun I ever had in TF2 thanks to the completely broken hitbox.

FEAR is up there
I liked Far Cry 2 and Metro 2033 also

>>376593705
what's your steam ID my dude?

I'll buy.

>>376598258
>Guns have no effect on enemies

What are you on about? Weapons fucking tear enemies apart (provided you are not retarded and actually upgrade them well). Nothing in the game has so much health as to not get wasted quickly.

>FEAR
>good gunplay
FEAR had garbage gunplay except for the shotgun and pistol.
>automatic weapons always shoot in bursts, single fire is impossible
>enemies feel spongey with any other weapon
I beat the game three times with both expansions.

>>376591409
>why does nobody mention this game that fuckall people have played so far
gee idunno anon

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>>376598258
It does take a bit to get going, but once you have well upgraded weapons, it's a joy to play.

>>376598504
>automatic weapons always shoot in bursts, single fire is impossible
Never understood why that matters at all. One of my favorite gun was the SMG for spraying and praying.

Source games have consistently terrible gunplay.

>DoD
>Half-Life 2
>CSS
>CSGO
>EYE
>TF2

All terrible. Why though? Is it an engine flaw?

>>376598494
You're saying one thing and im saying another, im not gonna reinstall the game to prove it. I have vivid memories of running in circles shooting a bullet sponge then having to stop fighting to go into the upgrade menus and equip something more practical. Just a slog. More a problem in the first Shadow Warrior but that one didn't suffer from endless upgrade fatigue so its a trade off.

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>>376587181
This. Guns + slow motion is just satisfying. I don't know what it is.

>>376598716
EYE is great though???

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>Insurgency
>ArmA 3 with mods
>Metro
>RO2
>BFBC2
>Payday 2
>Escape from Tarkov
>Underhell
>S.T.A.L.K.E.R

>>376598716
How is tf2 terrible? Mechanically designed guns are top fun.

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TF2. More games need gibs.

>Total overdose
>Max payne 2
>Far cry 3
I actually felt like I was shooting

>>376598258
>The animations are slow and amateurish, a bullet impact on an enemy has no effect
>You're saying one thing and im saying another,
because everyone has soooo much health, and the reload animations are terrible.
Look, I understand that a lot of people did not like SW2 because I guess the number of people who actually enjoy spending 5+ minutes between misissions tweaking and optimizing builds, but this is just flat out wrong.
Impact of a weapon on an enemy is purely based on proportionality between damage and enemy total health pool. If a single shot deals more than 15+%, of the enemy total health pool, they stat to react VERY noticeably, if it deals above 40%, entire chunks of enemies can fly off.

And the fact that you though the enemies have too much health is because you suck at the game. And again, I kinda understand that you did not even want to bother with the actual weapon-setup thing: but don't LIE about the game. Your weapons were shit, you chose the bad one, your aim sucked, you did not use the god-damn upgrades well, that is why you were tickling the enemies.
But it's not a problem of the game, it's problem of you not knowing how to play it, or not wanting to play it.

>>376598728
The game has 9 weapon slots. If you don't have a weapon for all occasions already quickly available, then it's on you if you have to upgrade weapons mid-combat.

And if you had trouble killing things swiftly, your weapons were either poorly upgraded or you were playing on a difficulty you were not supposed to be playing on yet. The game has an actual level progression, with higher difficulties having recommended level ranges.

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>>376598826
agree, think he's just trying to stir up shitposting.

TF2 guns have good sound effects, great visuals, sometimes good reloading animations, and some of the most satisfying effects on enemies in the entire FPS genre.

>>376591409
>How the fuck does nobody on this shitty board know about Early Access Online Multiplayer Open World Survival Sandbox Crafting DayZ Clone #4201488911
Because they are all literally the sa-
>MMO made by Russians
lmao

>>376591409
Memes and Kremlinbottery aside, how is Survarium doing?

>>376598492
For real?

>>376598907
It might be because I played it on the highest difficulty, which is something I autistically do in all games so im not sure if that just makes them all have higher numbers. IM SORRY IM NOT INTENTIONALLY LYING ABOUT THE GAME. I love first person shooters and in DOOM I can tell you how many shots of what weapons or weapon combinations cause a kill or stagger because its not relying on constantly changing little stats that just drove me crazy because it would be more fun if they just balanced the game and didnt rely on that.

>>376599148
Wait, you began playing the game on Insanity 1?

No wonder you had a bad experience. Insanity 1 is recommended for levels 31+

>>376599279
I dont remember, it could of been that one or whatever was just below it. I feel like I would of read such a recommendation and listened to it.

>>376596693
Years passed, you are not a child anymore. There comes time, when you need to stop shitting under yourself

GEARS OF WAR 1, 2, AND 3 :-D

GET GIBBED YOU SHITHEAD!

>>376599372
The lower difficulties have no level recommendations written next to them, but they pretty much follow suit. The hardest below the insanity tiers is for roughly levels 20+, for example.

It's possible to play those difficulties right from the get-go, but you will receive the kind of experience you described.

RO2 and RS has great gunplay, especially with bolt action rifles.

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>Played all the gunporn game
I need more.

>>376599519
To continue on this, I do feel like they should have labeled all of the difficulties with recommended level ranges, to avoid exactly the kind of confusion that some people experienced with the game.

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>>376599641
tf2 has 170+ weapons if you aren't concerned about realism

>>376599148
There are giant letters telling you that you should not do that. Seriously, Insanity was designed for new game +.
You got Wang is Max difficulty for first playthrough unless you actually want to deal with what ammounts to a puzzle rather than a shooter.

But I don't think it's just that. Most people had these problems even on you got Wang.

Look, here is the BIGGEST problem of SW2. It's not the only issue, but it's what I think hurt the game the most.
It's bad at explaining itself. In fact, it does not explain jack-shit. The weird thing about it is that it's actually surprisingly intrictate and complex for a shooter (without ever sacrificing even a bit of the skill element, which is really rare and really admirable). But it does a poor job of explaining the mechanics to the player.

A LOT of the game is derived from your weapon-upgrade builds. Unlike say, borderlands, it's not the level of upgrades that matter, but the way they are used - not even in individual weapons, but in your entire loadout. SW2 is a 40% a game about ARSENAL building. It's about creating a set of specialized tools (different types of weapons will benefit from entirely different upgrade setups) and consistently switching between them mid-combat, taking advantages of possible synergies. It's not about having as strong gun as possible: it's about having multiple guns with specialized uses whose potential is maxed out and then using all of them at the right time in the right way.

It's AMAZING how much that changes things. And it's quite amazing how the whole "optimization of arsenal" DIRECTLY FEEDS into the skill-aspect of the game (your aim, priority target, weapon-switching, movement) without either of the sides compromising themselves. In this regard, it's actually fantasticly designed game.

But the problem is that you have to figure all of this on your own.

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>>376587840
>tfw when you can take out gunships with that gun

>>376598826
Have you ever really looked at TF2's weapons.
>Scattergun has ejected rounds coming out of scout's mouth
>Scattergun never loads new rounds
>Shotgun ejection port is on the wrong side and shells are ejected backwards
>Grenade launcher has 6 chambers but only uses 4
>Grenade launcher chambers always shown as empty
>Demo reloads all grenades into one chamber
>Sticky launcher has a handle on the front that doesn't show on the viewmodel
>Demo never loads new stickies
>Medigun heal beam isn't aligned properly
>Sniper rifle bolt doesn't move
>Sniper never reloads
>Revolver spent casings disappear when reloading
>Knife blade is much smaller in viewmodel for some reason
And that's just the stock weapons, don't get me started on unlocks.

>>376599026
>good sound effects
I can't stand most of them. Scattergun, shotgun, pistol, medigun, flamethrower, and the frying pan in particular like nails on a chalkboard. Only one that stands out as being particularly good is the original, and that's not from TF2.

>>376599519
>The hardest below the insanity tiers is for roughly levels 20+, for example.
No, they really aren't. You got Wang is entirely balanced around being played from level 1. That is why there isn't any level recommendation: you should not play it with a leveled up character at all.

The difference between Normal and "You got Wang" is that "You got Wang" DEMANDS understanding of the upgrade system and precision aim, while Normal does not. That is all.

>>376599781
reloads are hit and miss but everything else is great, and if you have a problem with any specific reload there are mods to fix it too

>>376599790
>nails on a chalkboard
Oh fuck off man, now you're just being contrarian. The sound effects are great and are intentionally distinct so you can hear who you're up against.

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>>376599823
>mods
MODS ARE NOT AN EXCUSE FOR HALF ASSED DESIGN
YOU CAN'T EVEN FUCKING USE THEM ON VALVE SERVERS

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>>376599519
Well god damnit the only reason I chose such a high one was because I wanted a challenge, I should of guessed it just raises demand for upgrade stuff.

>>376598728
If you don't want to tweak weapons - play on low difficulty. I am talking about Shadow Warrior 2. And don't attack fire resistant enemy with fire weapon (there are even enemies, that are immune to some damage types).
I personally have fun with bullet spongy enemies on highest difficulties, because they still flinch and lose limbs from powerful enough shots, and I like hard hitting weapons, like bows. Makes fight with each enemy fun, because you need to hit weak points, dodge and learn enemies attack patterns.

>>376599809
That's not entirely honest. You Got Wang does give enemies more health and damage, and if you play it as your first difficulty level, your weapons will seem largely ineffective against your enemies before you get some decent upgrades. And since you don't have levels, you don't have character upgrades, meaning that the increased damage of the enemies will fuck you up really easily. Combine that with the elemental auras that are often really hard to avoid getting the debuff from and you have in your hands an experience that is pretty frustrating.

In any case, since you can switch difficulties at any time, it just makes sense to keep bumping it up from normal as you keep leveling up. At least that's what I found to be the smoothest experience.

>>376598734
It is Killing Floor 2. Third person can't compete.

>>376599908
>VALVE SERVERS
newfag gtfo

>>376600089
>t. 24/7 32 slot mariokart shitter

>>376599729
Yes if this was explained properly I wouldn't have been fucking up. Although I think I played on You got Wang, I just cant remember if it was that or insanity.

>>376598856
Hard to make enemies react much to being hit in PvP game.

>>376599865
I genuinely do not like the sound effects in TF2. This should not be hard to understand.

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Red Orchestra 2 is amazing for this
manually fondling bolt action guns, the RATATATATAT of the MP40, the bzzz of the MG42..
delayed kill feed is the best thing besides no kill feed for long range too. did you get that guy peeking up from the trench 250 meters away? or is his bullet about to skullfuck you? even better when tossing a nade into a bunker and not knowing you just deleted an entire squad right away as well.

>>376600110
http://playcomp.tf/
git gud faget

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>>376600503
>competitive

>>376599781
all of this is true, but actually shooting dudes with shotgun type weapons is super satisfying in tf2. hitting those fat 100dmg scattergun shots and 89dmg shotgun shots feels amazing

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>>376600629
>he's a pubshitter

>>376587078
stalker

>>376597915
Raheelaaaaah!

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>>376600685
>he thinks anyone gives a shit about his eternal 5cp stalemates with all 12 people who actually care about competitive tf2
go to bed b4nny

>>376600493
>Soldier
>Has access to Dead Ringer

Cotton was so fucking OP in that ep, Peggy needed to break him.

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>>376600746
>all his arguments consist of memes because he can't provide actual reasons as to why he plays an inferior format for shitters
also comp tf2 has a higher population than literally every version of Quake combined

tldr: you're bad

One of my fetishes for gunplay is reload animations, followed by the sound of the gunfire. It could be the shittiest gun in the game but if it has a cool reload or sound I would use it over the better choices almost every time.

>>376587078
CS:GO
Hard but rewarding

>>376600019
>You Got Wang does give enemies more health and damage, and if you play it as your first difficulty level, your weapons will seem largely ineffective against your enemies before you get some decent upgrades.
I've finished the game three times on you got wang and no. This is very false. It's a matter of poor use of upgrades and presumably possibly also bad aim. And don't take this as bragging, because frankly I generally REALLY suck at twitch-based gameplay, yet I still never had issues with not vanquishing enemies with crazy speed on You Got Wang from the very first level on.

You don't NEED "decent upgrades" at all, actually. Even the most basic grey upgrades can boost your weapon efficiencty to riddiculous degrees: the game literally gives you EVERYTHING you'll need from the start - it's one of the reasons why it showers you with upgrades so much.

I don't think there was an enemy I could not kill under 15 seconds on You Got Wang outside of the bosses, and a few encounters mid-game that caught me off guard and unprepared.
You can kill Taro's with three shots (Hammerheads with two) with your starter pistol on You Got Wang and no upgrades, you know that? And as SOON as you get the bow (third of fourth level of the campaign), you can max-three-shot everything in the bloody game up till late midgame just by using a couple of grey level 10-15 gems. And I'm really not making this shit up.

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>>376600839
>competitive having no players is a meme
yeah that's why nearly every notable invite player has either left for overwatch or retired and HL is on life support
>5cp never stalemates ever

but keep telling yourself that dumping thousands of hours into a dead format in a dead game that valve doesn't give two shits about was worth it.

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>>376600493
>german MG redistributes his wealth into my soviet hands in the form of a level 50 mg42
>his buddies are coming to take it back
>smoke pops by entrance to my little hallway (why would you smoke yourself like that lmao)
>lay down, point gun in their general direction
>BZZT... BZZZZT... BZZZT
>dies_in_german.mp3
>deadnade from their team blows the dick off additional germans
>lock it down until comrades arrive

>>376595089
I agree that some of the guns are ridiculously quiet or shitty sounding in general. The one area of the game they failed in was sound design for sure.
The hunting shotgun in particular almost sounds silenced or something,

>>376600860
For this Killing Floor 2 have elite reload perk. Which is not only faster, but looks different from standard reloading animations. And in terms of detalization and number of frames reloading and firing animations made to accommodate slow motion.

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>>376601313
>yeah that's why nearly every notable invite player has either left for overwatch or retired
It's disappointing that you're so desperate for arguments to cover up your pubshitter habits that you have to lie. Many notable players have left. That doesn't mean the scene has no players. This isn't Hollywood, it's a video game.

Back to the topic of discussion-- you're a sad, sad little pubshitter.
>>5cp never stalemates ever
Nice strawman faggot. I didn't say that. What (you) actually said was "eternal 5cp stalemates" which is obviously hyperbole. Stalemates are not the problem you're exaggerating them to be, unless Seven is playing.
>but keep telling yourself that dumping thousands of hours into a dead format in a dead game that valve doesn't give two shits about was worth it
The whole point is fun and gitting gud, apparently neither concept which you understand.

Though I'm not b4ggy, in his grand tradition, I will stop giving you (you)s because I don't associate with idiots like you.

Git gud.

>>376591979

pap. pap. pap

Pathetic.

.357 more than compensates for it though.

>>376598305

>talking about good gunplay

>this nigga talking about auto reload

I fucking hate auto-reload. I just like the tension that comes up in a firefight when you hear the "click" and realize you fucked up

>>376601418
I did like that, it was a nice change from "Just speed up the animation by 20%" and call it a day. The only thing that irked me was that I enjoy when the player actually uses the charging handle on the AR, instead of the forward assist(or whatever it's called, the little button above the mag. I'm not gonna pretend to know guns). The elite reload perk took it away which made me not use it for the most part.

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>>376590749

>all those frankenguns designed by an airsoft company because of a deal with konami

>>376587078
To each his own, since this is quite subjective.

anyone else prefer how guns fire in a game like rust? the recoil actually fucks with your aim and you have to control it if you want to hit anything. also, bullet drop that feels reasonable

>ctrl+f
>receiver
>0 results found

Sure, it's an indie game, but the game felt pretty solid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5siVoOYfEY

>>376587078
Crysis

Halo Combat Evolved

Doom

Dead Space

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>>376599730
>Blame

My nigga

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>>376593806

>Bye

my sides

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>376587078
>Word

My noun

>>376601605
>That you have to lie
>Many notable players have left
Gee which is it faggot

>That doesn't mean the scene has no players
The only two teams left that anyone actually gives a shit about are EVL and Froyo and even then they're constantly having to replace players because they keep leaving.

>Nice strawman faggot. I didn't say that
No you just said all my arguments are memes.

>Stalemates are not the problem you're exaggerating them to be
lol okay that's why it's been constantly brought up as a major issue with 6s over the last few years with competitive matchmaking by both valve and the competitive players, because it's a nonissue.

>The whole point is fun and gitting gud, apparently neither concept which you understand.
I'm already having fun in pubs why the fuck would I waste my time playing your dumb format with no players. Man having so much fun sitting on tf2center for 5 hours waiting for players to fill in.

>Though I'm not b4ggy, in his grand tradition, I will stop giving you (you)s because I don't associate with idiots like you.
>comp tf2 player
>bitter and butthurt
every time

>>376602074
Just needed actual enemies or some kind of multiplayer, the game is pretty boring once you've run through a few times and only becomes worth it to fuck around with the guns

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oy shadow warrior bros, im reinstalling the game because of the discussion we had.

>>376587078
CoD

>>376601189
I play the game on Insanity 3 at the moment and I'm doing fine, so I doubt my ability or upgrade setup is that poor.

Also, you are grossly overestimating the power of early game grey upgrades. A grey damage upgrade at level 1 is a sub 10% increase in damage. Couple that with base weapon damage and you'll be looking at a damage increase of just a few points, which is pretty much nothing in the face of You Got Wang enemies.

In any case, I'm not denying that it is quite possible to start and beat the game on You Got Wang, but it invariably means that you will have a less of an action packed initial experience due to all of the precautions you have to take against not dying.

>>376591409
>early access shit
I will give it a chance once it's out.

>>376587078
Depends what you mean.

Highest skill ceiling:
Counter Strike
Quake 3 Arena

Maximum fun:
FEAR
Halo 1-3

Muh Realism:
Metro
Stalker

>>376593878
>>376594892
Reach was the best Halo.
INCOMING BABBY RAGE

>>376603876
>Stalker
>Realism
No, absolutely not, unless maybe you heavily mod it.

>>376587540
Monolith had FPS gameplay down to a science. WTF happened?

>>376603974
Not an argument

>>376604024
It's a game which purposefully gimps a bunch of weapons to provide better "loot progression", has ugly mirrored weapon models and also gives enemies damage resistance after they've been hit non-lethally to prolong firefights.

>>376589071
>worst recoil
>being this fucking new

Probably a Silver 2 scrub who thinks he can play CS like its Halo

>>376604145
Cool
Whats your point?

>>376604285
Stalker isn't realistic by design.

>>376599720
TF2 is fucking garbage for 9 year olds
Almost as much of a fucking insult to shooters as Overwatch

>>376604371
Neither is Metro dumb cunt
They're video games
In comparison with other video games they are autistically real
Now go drink your daddys cum out of your sisters butt, mongoloid

>>376598716
>CS
>Terrible

What is this hot new meme?

>>376604470
>Neither is Metro dumb cunt
Didn't play that so no comment.

>In comparison with other video games they are autistically real
Stalker isn't even close to tactical shooters or, God forbid, milsims. And I'm not talking about "hurr monsters and anomalies" here, speaking purely about weapons handling.

>Now go drink your daddys cum out of your sisters butt, mongoloid
Why are you so upset?

>>376589608
Hello 343 dev
I still wont buy an Xbox to play your shit game

>>376604613
Stop replying to me fuck take a hint
You've made your objectively wrong opinion clear

>>376598716

Insurgency has great gunplay.

Your opinion is shit.

Also kys.

>>376604736
Thats one I forgot to mention, Insurgency is great

>>376604715
Why are you so upset about being wrong? You're anonymous here, just don't repeat your mistake next time and nobody would chide you.

>>376587078
I would say FEAR1 by far(they didn't even managed to duplicate that feel in 2, so I see it as a fluke) but every new title nibbled a little , not enough to say :"this is better than FEAR", but enough to make FEAR feel kinda obsolete after all this time.

>>376604890
STOP REPLYING YOU FAGGOT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>376587104
Go fuck yourself anon..

>>376593723
>sound design in overwatch
all the guns in overwatch sound very light and "clicky", it's not bad design for multiplayer, it's very clean and crisp, but I don't think they sound powerful at all

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Whats with this CS hate meme?
I get that CS:GO has a shitty business model, also it's extremely popular and /v/ is full of contrarians, but these games have some of the highest (if not the highest) skill ceilings in the fps genre.
The difference between a regular player and a pro player is visibly huge. There's a reason why the competitive scene has grown to be the biggest in all esports, its not all marketing.
They also gave birth to awesome game modes like bhop and surf. I know Quake and shit did that first but the movement is way more enjoyable in the Source engine imo.

>>376598492
http://steamcommunity.com/id/The_Beta_Man

>>376590771
I have KF2 but not this
Is this better / more popular?

>>376605494
>They also gave birth to awesome game modes like bhop and surf. I know Quake and shit did that first but the movement is way more enjoyable in the Source engine imo.
You know that is literally the same movement model, right? That's the whole reason it carries over.

Besides, it's more that it never gained much use in quake, with bhopping getting removed from the later quake games and surfing only being discovered later on.

>>376605881
>literally same movement model

Its not the same at all though
Completely different
You can be a strafejump master in Quake and not know anything about bhop

>not useful in Quake

Are you high? Strafe jumping is ESSENTIAL
The official Bethesda preview for Quake Champions is a tutorial on fuckin strafe jumping

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>>376593051
Have you ever played vanilla game? Gunplay is shit in vanilla, only mods somewhat salvage it.
>>376593437
>t. retard who knows jackshit about how unmodded game is
>>376594076
>anon points out the flaws of the supposed "superior" gunplay
>H-HA-HA, YOU MUST BE BAD AT THE GAME

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>>376606114
Quake's movement != Quake 3's movement
bunnyhopping != strafejumping

Learn what you're talking about before opening your mouth

>>376596385
>>376596507
What a circlejerk.

>>376602074
This this and this.
Once you learn all the keys, you can fuck around with the gun, checking bullet count, checking chamber, distributing ammo between magazines, fixing jamms, do all kind of shit.
It's not even gunplay, it's gun operating at it's greatest. I'd kill for high budget sequel/game inspired by it.

>>376605494
>but these games have some of the highest (if not the highest) skill ceilings in the fps genre.

It's for sure lower than movement based FPS games, like Quake and Tribes, but I'd personally argue it's right under them in terms of depth. Most of /v/ isn't good enough to really judge CS's depth, so trying to discuss it on here is fairly irrelevant. I have about 1000 hours into go at got LEM at my highest ranking, so I'm fairly mediocre myself

I've always liked the series and was balls goddamn deep into it during the height of Halo and CoD, and in comparison to those games it's a hell of a lot deeper.

>>376606431
I'm talking about Quake 3 you dumb dickhole
I never even played Quake 1

>Killzone 3
Something about being able to take cover and peek over it was greatly satisfying

>>376606754
Quake definitley has a high skill ceiling
But its a different kind of shooter
Twitch shooters encourage fast paced gameplay, CS is all about patience and tactical gameplay
Hard to put one above the other

>>376604770
>Source games has fucking terrible gunplay man, literal turd!
>"But what about Insurgency?"
>Oh yeah man, insurgency is great, forgot about that one!
>"You know insurgency is on source engine, right?"
>...

Retard.

>>376606945
I'm not that guy idiot
I'm
>>376603876

>>376587078
>Half Life
>Good gunplay

Max Payne 3
Killing Floor 2
Red Orchestra 2
FEAR
Metro games
Insurgency

Destiny

>>376595751
BC2's gunplay isn't good though, it's like one step above CoD, and only because headshots are actually worth making in BC2. Outside of that the guns themselves feel rather samey and meh.

>>376593878
Halo's guns are like the main reason I never enjoyed the game online. The lower tier weapons and automatics just feel completely incapable of killing at range, and the ranged weapons could dominate entire games easily. I got sick of playing Halo 2 at friends houses and having half my gun fights devolve into SMG spam into melee. I once missed my melee on a guy with no shield, took two steps back, and then had him lunge a greater distance and kill me, which was the point were Halo died in my eyes.

>>376592815
It's because they took the guns from HL1, made them a bit shittier, and then dumped them into a completely new game that relied a lot more on engaging human enemies at a distance. HL1 is like mostly close combat fighting with non humans, and even like half the human encounters are at a fairly close range.

HL2 would be made 100 times better if they actually gave you a reliable, decent medium range gun and more science weapons. Just cut out the SMG and the combine gun and replace them with better alterantives that actually work the the game's environments.

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