Cant w8 for the MODS http://www.inquisitr.com/3953401/fi na

garbage game

>>376587153
Who knows, maybe the mods will make the slow and lackluster combat better.

Only if it's Skyrim levels of modding and not just something lame like changing textures.

>>376587068

yes mods will somehow make the abortion that was FFXV a better game.

>>376587068
If it has good mod support, and it gets popular on loverslab, I may pirate it.

no amount of mods can save this game

>>376587068
I'm happy for you, PCbros. Just know it's fucking trash, and this is coming from someone who loved FFVIII, FFIX, and the XIII trilogy. Just pirate the game. Definitely not worth your money

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>>376587068
>Vanquish, a Gears of Wars clone that's like 10 years old
>Coming to PC soon, normal port
>thousands of posts in dozens of threads

>FF15, shit game etc
>brand new
>coming to PC with mod support and exclusive features
>not even 20 posts

Where were you when Final Fantasy died?

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>>376587409
Forgot to add an anime picture so people will notice my post. Sorry

>>376587427
It will become popular again once the slavery and brothel mods start rolling out.

>>376587427

shitposters have nothing to go with until FFXV has a real steam page

>>376587427
Vanquish is at least fun to play my dude.

Call me when its released and theres a cloud mod for noctis.

>>376587427
>not even 20 posts
Don't worry, the samefag shit poster will be here soon to shit up the thread by pretending to be both anti-kun and xv-kun and then the thread will get over 500 post of shitposting.

>>376587427
Vanquish is MILES ahead of doom, & much more fasat paced. Dont compare it

>>376587627
This, I just want to play as cloud

>>376587341
>IF it gets popular on loverslab

It's a pretty safe bet.

>>376587068
"Mod" support
Also I'm not supporting Aryan rape simulator for Japanese

>>376587068
>Exclusive features
So the graphics will look like what they actually wanted before they had to neuter them to reach 30FPS on consoles?

>>376587068
Nipps are too prideful to release a competent SDK for modding. They'll probably kill the whole point of modding by locking away assets. For a bunch of gooks, nipps are really retarded that way.

>>376587427

There was a 500 reply post a few hours ago. For news that is over two months old and not even completely confirmed.

>>376588686
400 of those were xv-kun shitposts

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>>376587409
>loves the XIII trilogy
Anon... what the fuck?

>>376587427
I was about 18 when XII came out, living in Mississippi at the time. Now don't get me wrong, I love Final Fantasy XII but it's so far removed from the normal Final Fantasy formula that it was the death of the series for me.

>>376588901
>that guy saying JOHN FUCKING NUMBERS
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAMMMMMMMOOOOOOOO

There's probably a difference between what the director says he'd like to do and what will actually occur. Mods would be cool though.

Also old as fuck news

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ENJOY YOUR SCRAPS PCFATS

>>376587068
Are they gonna fix the gigantic hole in the plot?

>>376589408
Which hole was that?

>>376587068

We had this thread not even a few hours ago, nobody cares.

>>376587068
Literally would pirate it only for the ass and tits and sexu mods

>>376587068
>Feb 5
Very fishy.

>>376587460
Don't shitpost with Kanna picture please. FF15 is a good game.

>>376590189
The hole in my heart.

>>376590858
>FF15 is a good game

Elaborate. I've seen people say why it's bad several times, but nobody ever says that's good about it.

>>376587153
>>376587330
>>376587356
>>376587409
>>376587427
>>376587645
>>376588776
Fuck off anti faggot

too bad it's the same problem as TES games, no amount of modding can fix the dev's shitty writing
that sandbox will at least get filled with more interesting things

>>376591802
Everyone always does say what's good about it like the cast, enemies, music, animation, combat, visuals, ending etc but you just ignore that then resort to dumping your shitpost copy pasta while responding to yourself.

>>376587068
Can't wait for the SFM porn.

>>376587427
Because nothing is officially confirmed. We always knew Tabata wanted to make a PC port (and maybe they're making one as we sepak) but they haven't announced it yet. The article in OP is from February when he talked about wanting to make one.

>>376587068
Will there be a mod to replace the homo characters? And add a decent story?

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>>376593007
>add a decent story
No need to add something already present in abundance.

>>376587068
Mod support means literally nothing but graphical enhancers in this case, so it's still going to be a shit game, just like the console versions.

>>376592264
>combat

lel

>>376587068
I love how even OP knows.

Trying to shill the game with a small bit part character instead of all the gay main ones xD

>>376593007
There ain't no homo characters and the story is good.

>>376593201
Nothing is wrong with the combat, the only valid complaint is balancing with items. I guarantee you if items were restricted to like 8 items max, as in only 8 actual items people would be getting game over left and right.

>>376593103
I mean, not twilight level. It's ok for faggots like you but I meant normal people

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>>376593824
It's been scientifically proven that only faggots hate FF15's story.

>>376587068
The only good thing about FF15 is that doujin made by Eroquis/Butcha-U.

>>376592264
>cast
All one-note with particular quirk to make them seem like they're fleshed out but they're actually not. Just because the quip sometimes doesn't make them deep. Prompto is ironically the most fleshed out, but his interesting past is never explored for some reason

>enemy design
Yeah, actually the whole art-direction was good, but that's to be expected of FF

>music
There's only a few standouts. The rest is your typical JRPG ost with generic choir

>animation
Yeah, animations were good.

>combat
No lol It's the least challenging FF and you'll use the same brain-dead strategy for every encounter.
>Summon system is retarded and tacked on just to show off Luminous Tech
>phase through attacks
>Magic is dumbed down and reduced to red/blue/yellow aoe grenades on a timer.
>annoying QTEs in the middle of combat like getting pinned down
>Hold O to get locked into a combo chain
>Getting locked into link attack animations just for striking their backs
>enemies are inconsistently telegraphed as some will literally pounce at you in the blink of an eye
>auto-locking onto target and lunging at them sporadically is frustrating during big encounters

>visuals
It's inconsistent.

>ending
haha
>world of ruin is a literal pit-stop
>Insomnia is a hallway
>Bahamut is a disappointingly handled, one-time summon thrown in for fan-service that doesn't even do anything and begs the question as to why Noctis didn't just summon Gentiana in the first place
>Ardyn literally dangles the battered corpses of Noctis' father and bride in front of his face and Noctis doesn't even react
>final boss is piss easy and ends with a QTE segment
>knights of the round just come out of nowhere jarringly, despite no establishment
>have to watch Noctis kill Ardyn AGAIN in a dream world for somereason—repetition kills the impact of the scene as you literally just watched Ardyn die minutes ago
>doesn't even tie up loose ends with supporting characters after world is saved and monsters are gone

>>376587068
>>>/lgbt/

>>376587153
fpbp

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T-thanks

>>376593824
Normal people and fans alike loved the ending and story so much so they're literally begging SE for more and getting it, only turn based kiddies try to pretend it had a bad story because they have no actual argument.

>>376595109
>>376595474
Fuck off SBK91. You havnt even played the game.

>>376595935
I thought I was Matt

>>376595980
No, I'm Matt.

If they don't overhaul the sleep inducing gameplay i'm not interested.

>>376587356
thats what they said about every elder scrolls

>>376587068
>FF15 going to pc

who cares? game was shit anyways...

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>>376596098
>tfw you're being impersonated

I'm Matt, dude

>>376596168
They were right.

>>376596224
Nice try SBK91.

>>376595109
>All one-note
They're more fleshed out than any other main cast and have multiple layers of depth, their dynamic is the best representation of friendship FF has ever done.

>typical JRPG
Objectively wrong, saying it's generic doesn't make your shitpost right, the battle music and character themes all have emotion, identity and memorable melody behind them. Hellfire is easily the best boss battle theme in any RPG.

>No lol It's the least challenging FF
XV is the only FF with challenge because it's the only one with real gameplay that people actually want to play. The summon system was well integrated into the game and fits a narrative focus which is what RPGs should be doing for game mechanics. You have to phase attacks on your own accord which expends MP, this is not a valid complaint.
Magic is not dumbed down anything, and you can instacast them by locking on and create your own spells with mixed properties and passive spells like fire with bio or thunder with stop and so on. Magic is devastating and extremely useful. Not a valid complaint.

QTEs were in FF6, FF7, FF8, FF10, 13-2 but it's only bad when a few enemies have QTE attacks in XV. Not a valid complaint.
Link strikes are great, effective and look cool. Not a valid complaint
Get gud and learn how to read animation ques better, attacks are telegraphed literally as much as they are in souls games, you cannot disprove this. Not a valid complaint.
Soft autolock is something every recent major ARPG does including Automata and KH0.2. Not a valid complaint.

Visuals are consistently good.

>haha
I was talking about the ending cutscenes but ok let's see.
World of ruin not being explorable is the first valid complaint you've brought up.
Insomnia was always a hallway even in Versus. Not a valid complaint.
Bahamut is awesome and links the royal line to Bahamut as he's the one who started it by gifting man with the powers, also explains his more humanoid in armor design inline with the other 13 kings

>>376596752
>best boss battle theme in any RPG.
Wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdDiHZiBtpE

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>>376587427
Read the FUCKING DATE on the article you LIMP DICK MONGOL and ask us again.

>>376587153
I'm up to chapter 9 and agree wholeheartedly

>>376596752
>Get gud and learn how to read animation ques better
Literally impossible when the camera is stuck behind a tree and 8 magitek soldiers are attacking you at once.

>>376587068
>non shit outfits for the main characters
game is saved for me

>>376595109
Gentiana only showed up after you knock Ifrits HP down, gods only help you in times of desperate need. Bahamut weakened Ifrit at first, and he was the one who killed Ifrit and layed him on Ravatogh to begin with.
They do react as soon as they open the door but Noctis has matured by that point and doesn't let Ardyn get to him, him standing there unflinching is a sign of his maturity after he spent previous chapters chasing after and yelling at Ardyn and falling for his tricks.
Final boss of every FF is piss easy and O to final attack is same thing as X to Omnislash. Not a valid complaint.
KOTR are established early on as being the kings of Lucis, you're literally going around collecting their weapons the whole game. They are also literally on the cover of the boxart and in kingsglaive too.
Noctis destroyed Ardyn's physical body, died then killed his spirit before his own vanishing. It's awesome and badass as fuck. Literally "ill kill you then kill myself so I can kill you again". And the way it was delivered was perfect.
You learn that Gladio is gonna marry his girlfriend, Ignis wants to open a restaurant, Prompto chill with Cidney, Aranea, Biggs and Wedge run their own armies now, most people went to Lestallum and during ch10, 12 and 13 on radio you learn Dave is basically heading humanity as a leader of sorts since he was the leader of the hunters society. By ch14 almost everyone is a hunter of some kind including Talcott. Iris and Cor became daemon hunters. But after the daemons are gone what does it matter if it doesn't show exactly what happebed and leaves things open to interpretation, FF7 does the same thing. Not a valid complaint.

>>376587068
I hope to fucking god this is true. You insufferable PC faggots deserve to suffer with this autistic sack of shit >>376593103
I can't wait for all of the THANKS FOR BETA TESTING threads to get bombarded by his autistic meltdowns.

>>376597476
>Other FF games have the same problems so it's okay

Do you only play FF games or something

>>376597234
Man if you think it's bad now keep playing, you actually played what's considered the 'good' part and it gets substantially worse.

>>376597663
Eh I'll see. Dropped it last week after getting the Mithril for the ship, no interest in going back

>>376597713
>>376597663
If it's anything to go by I like it better when it's linear so maybe it'll turn out better in my eyes. Dungeons are the best part, the 5 minute car rides and the world are the worst

>>376596829
That is shit nigger music.

>>376597790
The problem is, many important story beats happen off screen and chapter 13 is as bad as you've heard.
The only good part to come after Altissia is the Ifrit battle.

>>376597234
Stop samefagging.

>game is SUDDENLY NOT SO BAD when it comes to PC
It was the same with FFX and XIII. Pkeks lol

Sex mods are gonna be gud.

>>376597871
I legitimately don't care about the story or the characters desu. The narrative doesn't interest me and hasn't grabbed me. From what I can tell it's the typical JRPG "Muh evil empire" malarky

>>376597926
That was my first post and I'm chatting with another user

These are my others
>>376597713
>>376597790
>>376597973

>>376597483
Only autistic sack of shit here is you.

>>376597641
If you aren't going to complain about them in other FFs then don't complain about them in XV, otherwise you're a hypocrite and a shitposter.

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>>376597956
XV was already good, it'll be even better on PC.

>>376598034
I haven't played other FFs besides 7

Mod to skip car pushing when?

>>376598034
>Only autistic sack of shit here is you.
I disagree with you about that, Barry.

>>376597476
>It's awesome and badass as fuck.
Spoken like a true pre-pubescent teenager, which is the demographic for XV, might I add.

>>376598090
No it wasn't holy shit, did you even play the last part of the game? BUT MUHR COMFY GAEM

>>376587068
hell yea I will have this bitch naked ans fucking dogs in no time

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>>376587068
Hopefully there's a mod that makes the game less shit.

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>>376598230

>>376593201
>tabmoc
jej

>>376598034
>"XV has to follow poorly implemented, decade-old, features of past games! The XVth entry should not have alleviated these issues by now!!!"

Pure retardation. Glad to see we are settling for less now.

>>376587427
I was in high school when FFX came out.

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>>376587427
ff15 is a shit game


ff12 had great dungeon crawling gameplay, but instead of improving its flaws (the characters and story) they ran in the exact opposite direction, and FF is dying.

i hope we get a panty pooping or efro mod

>>376587068
director says he wants to bring it to pc, and they showcased some footage of it running on pc

but he's not in charge of whether or not it actually gets released on pc, is he?

>>376598913
I want to make Noctis pregnant.

>>376599221
who would be the dada?

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>>376599550
Who else?

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>>376587068
ara

>>376587068
who cares man

you dont gotta dicksuck every shitty game just cause it gets a pc port

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>>376600198
seems like over 1000 people agree with ol bazzy

>>376598169
Not an argument.

>>376598221
Yes, and it was good despite being rushed. Cry more.

>>376598289
You already made that samefag post.

>>376598561
>waaah why isn't it like muh old ff
>waaah why is it like muh old ff
Not an argument.

>>376598823
FF15 is better than 12 in every way.

>>376598286 refer to >>376600481

First time i played a FF, but how one you call this game a RPG?
Just because of the item selection?

>>376600864
It's as much as RPG as FF1-10/12/13 are RPGs.

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>February 5

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>>376601059
The article is old but they have already shown XV running on PC during GDC in March and it's pretty much all but confirmed at this point

>>376596752
>They're more fleshed out than any other main cast
>have multiple layers of depth
Just because you say this doesn't make your shitpost true.

>Gladio: hot-headed, muscle-bound bodyguard that craves power and follows the King because it's his duty
>Quirks: likes to read, is overprotective of his sister, is strong, big swords
>Static character

>Ignis: level-headed, reserved maternal character (mom of the group) that spouts exposition when necessary and follows the King because it is his duty
>Quirks: likes to cook, strategist, drives
>Static Character

>Prompto: comic-relief, quip machine that follows the king because of childhood friendship; is actually a test-tube baby, son of an Imperial Tech Specialist—enemy of Lucis
>Quirks: likes photography, awkward with women, guns, videogames
>Ultimately Static character

>Noctis: reluctant prince with a "could care less" attitude that can be moved to feel intense emotions under the appropriate circumstance; eager to be wed to
childhood friend
>Quirks: likes fishing, is a bad driver, videogames, lazy
>Dynamic character but not effectively portrayed as his changes come about during a ten year sleep

>Old Noctis: grizzled, wise, mature


They're not even complex characters. They're just a hodgepodge of quirks and standard character archetypes and tropes. I think it's appropriate to compare them to the early 2D FF casts because they have about as much complexity as them. The only unconventional and complex character is Prompto, and they never even bother exploring that aspect of him. Saying XV has deep characters is an insult to the literatist's who put blood, sweat and tears into making actual interesting, dynamic characters.

>>376601225
I don't think you know what confirmed means anon.

>>376600927
Look, matey, if you're going to say XV is an RPG (which it is), then XI and XIV are also RPGs. MMO is not a genre of gameplay.

>>376601240
Sorry but just because you downplay them to their surface details does not mean you are describing them accurately at all. There is more depth to Noctis, Ignis Gladio and Prompto than any and all FF casts bar none, the dynamic is better fleshed out, their interactions are more lively, their relationships feel more believable, they act more human like instead of like anime characters 1 note tropes that literally every other FF cast has been.

Even your own descriptions of them already paint them as the exact opposite of static and already having more to them than any FF cast. Fuck man the only other FF character that even comes close is Vivi. No other FF protag has as much depth to him as Noctis does or is presented as humanly believable as he is.

>>376587068
>February 5
wow, it's fucking nothing
I thought they already announced it or something

>>376601295
People from sites like PCgamer who were at GDC and talked to SE about it pretty much said that SE were "wink wink" about the XV version of PC, basically it's coming but they can't say anything about it yet.

>>376601365
I didn't mention those because 11 and 14 are games where you literally create a character, whereas in 1-10/12/13/15 you are playing as a character who already exists. Even in 1 and 3 despite choosing the jobs and no actual "character" you're still in a set "role" as that character whole game.

>>376601554
So its basically still rumor level. Try again when there's an actual announcement.

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>>376601240
>could care less

>>376601554
After 5 years maybe just like XIII

>>376601917
That's a completely different circumstance and you know it.

>>376602047
Screencap my post
FFXV on Steam in 2023

>>376598343
Woof to you too gurl

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>>376602706

Kingsglaive in game

https://youtu.be/TIgQQz5SNxs

>>376601491
>>376601491
>Even your own descriptions of them already paint them as the exact opposite of static
Not even what "static character" means. A static character is a "literary or dramatic character who undergoes little or no inner change; a character who does not grow or develop", which all the main cast are, save for Noctis, but his development into a dynamic character is not even convincing. The player literally misses ten years of his life, ten years of which he supposedly underwent trials in his sleep in order to become a King. The rest of the cast, Prompto, Gladio, and Ignis are exactly, beat for beat, the same characters as they were from the beginning of the game. So much so that it's even hard to believe they even aged 10 years. They're even wearing the same fucking clothes when you meet them again like what the fuck. Hell, even Talcott is a more of a dynamic character than the main cast.

>playful, innocent child
>traumatized by grandfather getting murdered
>becomes a hardened hunter by the end and helps refugees

The characters in XV aren't interesting because they don't even grow. They're as static as you can get.

Examples
>Ignis loses eye
>character is literally the same afterwards, aside from physical limitations

>Prompto learns about past
>character literally the same afterwards

>Gladio?

If the only thing that helps you gravitate towards them are quips and group banter, because it humanizes them, then that's a pretty low bar for good characters.

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>>376602782
>>376602706

>it's the "sales = quality game" meme again

How to make +6 million sales on your latest main-line Final Fantasy game [TABATA EDITION]:

>know your audience: the west
>make the game open-world to appeal to larger demographic and recent craze
>make the game action-based and flashy to appeal to larger demographic and recent craze
>heavy focus on tech and graphics to appeal to larger demographic and recent craze
>the game you are working on must already have half a decade's worth of hype surrounding it
>release a fucking god-tier concept trailer like the FFXV E3 2013 trailer and parade it around like it's actually going to be in the main game
>release tons of trailers with cut footage that imply exciting concepts, only for them to never make it into the actual game
>release demo; then scrap major features from demo a year out from release; generate controversy
>host tons of useless ATRs to keep consumer interest
>host an Uncovered Event, pulling back the curtains on a almost ten year old project only for it to be rendered useless with an eventual delay
>delay your game further into the holiday season; generate controversy
>coincide the release of your game with a movie, anime, and mobile games
>star popular Western Actors in your movie; generate discussion
>engage in tons of cross-overs that appeal to the western audience, like hanging out with Epic Meal Time
>Make sure to demo your game at the Xbox E3 conference showing one of the only eventful setpieces in your game—and then fuck it up to generate controversy
>last but not least, release a HYPE AS FUCK trailer, one month out from launching the game, using concepts and imagery from the Versus days—make sure to deceive the fans and that none of it is ever even brought up in the game

>>376603510
But all of them grow and develop, which you would know if you played the game or even pretended to have played the game. And Noctis undergoes more change than any other FF protag ever does while being the most human FF protag yet. There being a 10 year time skip is completely besides the point and has nothing to do with what you are even trying to say. You see how they change from the beginging all the way to the end, not even any other FF character went through what Ignis did. Every single one of the characters grows, you see Ignis take control of his blindness, he went from someone who did things for everyone to someone who everyone then had to help and his struggle was then coming to terms with that and him trying to regain his own self in spit of that, you see Prompto step out of his shell and he loses his clumsy attitude and becomes dependable, he embraces who he is instead of hiding behind his insecurities anymore, you see Gladio get a completely clear mind and even start calling Noctis "your highness", showing how much he's gone from being completely against Noctis into someone who respects him dearly and who is no longer rage filled or quick to anger.

Oh and I havn't even brought in Brotherhood into all of this, factoring the stuff happening in that only further improves them and that is all canon and part of the unified FFXV universe, thus it doesn't matter if it is things shown outside of the game when it's still something you get from them in addition to the game, and that shows how they've gone from their childhood to their current adult selves when the game starts.

There isn't a single other FF cast that even comes close to being as well developed and fleshed out dynamic as the XV bros have, not one. There is maybe one or two characters individually in previous FFs that were well developed like Vivi, but that's as far as it goes.

>>376604108
Fuck off Matt. Your retarded shitposting isn't fact and never will be. The game came out and was good and sold as a result. You can fuck off with your bullshit revisionism.

>>376601240
You could pretty much reduce every single FF character like that.

>Balthier: suave, rogue type pirate that does things with big breasted sidekick
>Quirks: wears flashy clothes, does puckish rogue things
>Static character

Just writing the words "static character' doesn't actually make a character static.

>>376604108
>Reposting copy pasta shit again
Would you piss off already?

The game is fucking shit, maybe if the PC version includes all the DLC, then MAYBE ill buy it again

>>376604327
The game is great.

>>376604327
It was good tho. and of course they'll release a pc version with all the dlc in it down the line. pretty much every game with dlc gets one of those

>>376604119
>There being a 10 year time skip is completely besides the point and has nothing to do with what you are even trying to say.
Nice argument.


>all this fanfiction-tier head cannon
Also, everything you just described from the party is quite literally "character who undergoes little or no inner change". What's worse is that the party dynamic is so absent towards the end of the game that it's difficult to even make out any changes.

>struggling this hard to find character growth
>has to resort to outside material
How is it fucking fair to include shit like the movie, anime, prologue novel etc, when you're comparing it FFs that never had any of this shit? We are comparing what's included in the games to each other. Just because you realized the characters are paper thin in the games, doesn't mean you can pull out external media and act like that excuses XV's lack of character development. If you want to count external media for this comparison then it should have been in the game in the first place, otherwise it's just stupid. You're also just proving most of the character development in the game was done outside of it in other media.

>>376604256
>E3 2013 trailer never happened
>cut content from trailers never happened
>Omen Trailer never happened
>delays and all the controversy that came with it never happened
>XV universe never happened
>game being marketed for half a decade, and in some cases an entire decade didn't happen
>all those popular actor roles and cross-overs never happened
>Uncovered didn't happen
>Duscae didn't happen

wew

>>376606129
>help I literally cannot fucking read!
Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>376605896
>Nice argument.
Yeah it was because it is literally a non-sequitur to anything you're actually saying.

>all this fanfiction-tier head cannon
Where? Everything I just mentioned is clearly evident in the game, everything I just described shows them undergoing more change than 95% of any FF party does. The party dynamic isn't absent at all, it's an always encompassing thing that harmonizes their entire relationship, better than any other FF cast a million times over.

>How is it fucking fair
Sorry but how is it fair to not include things cannon to the game which were released specifically alongside with the game? It doesn't even matter if other FFs didn't get that, also kingsglaive doesn't have the main cast in it so I was only talking about brotherhood, and the drama CD is something that happens just a few days before the game begins which again was also released alongside the game, hell even right before the game at that. The anime is stuff anyone could go and see before the game was even out too. We are comparing what is canon story wise and for FFXV the FFXV universe is all one story, doesn't matter if its split between mediums. FF12 has a manga which fleshes out more stuff and no one is discounting that, FF13 also had drama CDs, FF7 has a bunch of shit, other FFs had novelizations and stuff too, but even then that was released between gaps in years, XV was all 2016.

FFXV Universe is all part of one specific thing that was released within the same year to coincide with the game as supporting material, stop desperately trying to pretend those don't count just because they weaken your already pathetically weak "argument". And no I'm not proving most happens outside, since there is character development from the starting point of the game to the end point of the game that happens regardless of you looking at any of hte other FFXV universe stuff, the anime only covers things that happened in their past prior to the actual starting point of the game.

>>376593103
Dude stop
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/maxresdefault-51.jpg/

>>376598343

She is so fucking hot.

I can't wait for the smf artists to do their things.

>>376607196
>Dude stop
h-Hello?

>>376587330
People somehow believe that mods made Skyrim a better game.