Why on Earth was Breath of the Wild allowed to get high scores?

>>376585212
Left: Contextual climbing
Right: Dynamic climbing

>Freedom vs. I can only climb where the dev wants me to

>>376585212
When did Link become Spider-Man?

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>>376585212
You actually thought this argument would carry water.

>>376585374
You only climb where the dev wants you to in any game retard.

>>376585475
Spiderman doesn't fear the rain

>>376585475
now we only need hookshot for climbing faster

>>376585571
Spider-Man hates water though.

>>376585212
Easy.
Left: Garbage
Right: Masterpiece

And I don't even own Zelda.

>>376585359
Shadow of the Colossus did it before.

>>376585571
>Spiderman doesn't fear the rain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLmqMib8ewA

>>376585567
Yeah, the difference is that in one game you're only allowed to climb specific locations and specific places on those locations and the other game you can climb literally any flat surface.

>>376585634
ok?

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>>376585212
Whoever made that gif is a dumbass for thinking they wouldn't be able to make that climb with that amount of stamina left.

Also

>Babby's first hold up to cinematic experience simulator
vs.
>Actual skill, environmental awareness, and decision making that make it actually challenging and rewarding

>>376585634
SoTC also didn't have much BEYOND climbing. It was Climbing and Stabbing Circles: The Game. They kinda needed to make that shit right.

>>376585686
Yeah so that's not an achivement or an excuse.

>>376585751
an excuse for what?

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>>376585693
>Actual skill

>>376585359
Left: Dynamic Climbing that is realistic and meshes exceptionally well with the architecture and world
Right: low effort indie-tier prefabricated universal climbing animation that always looks the same regardless of angle or surface

>>376585693
>BotW
>Challenging
Nope

>>376585212
Because Nintendo is basically the retarded child of the industry. It gets praised for putting out something decent even if it's been done before by more competent devs.

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>>376585693
>BotW climbing
>challenging and rewarding
>calling anything babby's first

>AC has a climbing mechanic and is hailed as a masterpiece
>Zelda has a climbing mechanic and is hailed as a masterpiece
>Skyrim claims you can climb mountains but they actually mean walk up stairs and is hailed as a masterpiece

What are you missing here OP? Reviewers just like to climb shit

>>376585806
>low effort indie-tier prefabricated universal climbing animation that always looks the same regardless of angle or surface
Play the game, retard.

>>376585659
And that makes a game good?
>let's just completely throw out any semblance of level design so that players can just climb like a spider on everything!
There's never been a more casual game in the history of games than botw.

>>376585806
This post: you being buttmad your game sucks faggot cock..

>>376585865
I did and I had to stop after 10 hours because I was so bored.

>>376585865
maybe you should, retard.

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>>376585848
>Reviewers just like to climb shit

Don't you mean everyone?

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>all these triggered nintendo manchildren
>just from a gif of BotW next to Asscreed

Why are they so insecure?

>>376585659
Which game is which?

>>376585986
>Half of us are literally just laughing at the pettiness
>triggered

wut

>>376585359
>>376585608
>>376585806
Left: Western
Right: Japanese

This choice should be easy for you, /v/.

>>376585873
You have a really shit idea of level design. It is infinitely harder to design a game around giving the player all the freedom in the world than it is to railroad them into going the exact path that you want them to go. There's absolutely no craft or design to climbing in AssCreed or Uncharted or the new Tomb Raider games for that matter. You're literally in a climbing cutscene with jump QTE's except the button prompts don't show up on screen. What fucking level are you talking about?

>>376585659
>you can climb literally any flat surface

But why though? In asscreed it at least makes sense. It's like they just threw in the mechanic at it's most basic level and it's lauded as a fucking masterpiece for it.

Because people bought into it because of hype.
It got delayed for four fucking years on top of that.
And you know how nintendo fanboys get.

>>376585986
what?

>>376586065
And Zelda it was literally just
>big open area
>can climb anything go anywhere
>absolutely nothing interesting
>sparse locations to actually go to other than for a shitty collectable like a fucking 2002 GTA game
There was zero thought that went into anything concerning the map or design of it in botw. They could have just as much had an escalator to areas and it would have been exactly the same.

>>376586065
>It is infinitely harder to design a game around giving the player all the freedom in the world
Well, a proper interpretation would prove this true.

Unfortunately Nintendo did not put the effort into BotW for it to be true in this case. They just gave ya free roam and said fuck it.

>>376585751
Nobody was talking about it

>>376586139
>thinking people like botw because you can climb walls

lol youre retarded

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>>376585738
I still kinda prefer how the climbing feels in SotC though. It just feels like there's more weight to your character and the animation had a stronger presence. Also being able to just climb any surface freely kinda limits what you can put into your actual level DESIGN.

Climbing the Tower of Prayer in SotC is still one of the most memorable experiences I've ever had in a video game, and I was there was more of it. Nothing in Breath of the Wild ever came close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et9OmBMEBtc

>>376586186
Want to know how i know you haven't played it? :^)

>>376585212
Seriously though, what's the point of being able to climb absolutely everything?
Doesn't that essentialy make everything effectively flat?

I don't think Zelda did it perfectly, but just by virtue of adding a stamina bar and other such features like sleek walls, wather dynamics and angle of slopes it makes it infinitely more complex than any Assassin's Creed, Shadow of Mordor or games like those.

I like how this thread exists just because Nintendo detractors didn't have enough of yelling at Nintendo fans for liking things. You people are silly.

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>>376585806
But you're wrong

I'm finally glad people are now speaking up against this bs.
Sure o enjoyed botw but there's no way in hell that game is a masterpiece at all. Played the game for 2 weeks when it leaked before launch and couldn't say anything negative about it due to Nintendo dick riders.

The games not bad but holy shit did the media blow the game out of proportion. Made it seem like it was second coming of christ.

Fuck anyone who thinks this game is GOTY 10/10.

>>376586186
Ahh, but see now you're moving the goal posts. You're talking about the world and not the climbing. You could just as easily argue that there is literally nothing of interest in any area in any map of any game in the AssCreed series, because there literally is not. Every single area is the same 3 missions over and over again with nothing to find and nothing to do except follow the railroad. Except, that's not what we're talking about, we're talking about the climbing, and how the AssCreed system looks pretty but ultimately takes no skill to design because you're literally pulling the player on a leash where as the Zelda system lets you climb whatever the fuck you want wherever the fuck you want and the world now has to take that into account, whether it's boring or not. One took way more work than the other to implement because one dictates how much you have to think about level design and boundaries while the other might as well be a hallway.

>>376585986
>has to shitpost about botw because HZD has already been put on the shelf

>>376585212
>games from around 2007 are better in almost every way and sometimes even graphically than games released around 2017

more news at 11

>>376585873
But BotW's world design is generally regarded as an excellent fit for its climbing mechanics even by its critics. It's also just pretty good in general. What else should level design deliver from a mechanical point of view?

>>376586321
Want to know how I know you're a fucking retarded blithering idiot fanboy?:^)

>>376586325
It does the opposite of making everything flat, it makes you think about everything vertically because you can traverse that shit.

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I have no fucking idea.

What's really sad is that pic related managed to do open world + dungeons a whole lot better than Nintendo did.

>>376586485
yes :^)

>>376586372
He's wrong only in "animation is the same on all angles", but not everything else
But BOTW is good anyway, that's for sure

>>376585806
>Left: Dynamic Climbing that is realistic and meshes exceptionally well with the architecture and world
it's also completely safe and requires no skill of the player

>>376586453
We'll take you seriously if Nintendo ever joins the "realism is superior" game.

>>376586306
>SotC toddler
Play ICO.

>>376585693
dumb akko poster

>>376585738
That game also came out 11 years ago.

>>376585212
because it is really fun

>>376586571
What skill is required to climb shit in botw...? You just hold up until you reach the top.

>>376585945
literally half of that sentence is false

>>376585359
left: realistic
right: spiderman

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>>376585571
I wanted to post a page from the comics where he slips on a slippery wall, but I can't find any example

So have the time Spider-Man met Ren & Stimpy.

>>376586730
No anon,it has stamina, this game is fucking hardcore for skilled players, such as myself

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>>376585212
Nintendo is ALWAYS 10 years late. Nintendo fans aren't educated about video games, they are insulated, all they know is nintendo. They should have their own board because they don't even care about anything other the new Nintedo merchandise.

>>376586459
>critics say the world design is shit
>"CRITIS GENERALLY REGARD THE WORLD DESIGN AS EXCELLENT"

BotW's world design is shit. I'm a critic.

Not only is it excessively visually uninteresting, it's also relatively flat because of how much utility you can get from climbing.

It's also generally relatively physically flat but the more technical flatness thanks to climbing just pushes it even more.

>>376586730

so then they're both bad
what's the point of this thread?

>>376586554

lol

But that game is average at most, and it isn't open world you imbecile, it's more linear than OoT and OoT is linear as fuck.

>>376586879
The point of this thread is to get mad at people who truly believe that botw is the best game ever made.

>>376586856
I agree, Nintendo needs it's own board.

/v/ shitposting would decrease by about 99%

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>>376586578
Ico is more platforming than tower climbing.

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>>376586541
How does it make you think at all though?
You can effortlessly draw a straight line from where you are and where you and to go and basicaly press forward.

You don't have to go around shit.
Doesn't matter how tall the obstacle is or how it's slopped.
You don't even have to go through a ser path, like follow the window layout for example. Everything is designed so you can go straight every time, pretty much like everything was flat.

You could maybe argue that you could use the obstacles to obstruct the sight of the objects of interest, first: that is also true for games with in-depth verticality; also there's nothing stopping you from gaining the high ground, scouting the environment and going at your point of interest in a straight line.

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>>376586856
Fucking this.
Just about everyone that enjoyed open world games has moved on, but nintendo kiddies claim it's the best shit ever game of the decade and has no flaws when it's barebones as fuck and makes you question why it got delayed for 4 fucking years.

>>376585212
Everyone knows BoTW has inflated scores because of nostalgia. Features that have been present in other games for years are being hailed as something revolutionary just because they are in a nintendo game.

>>376585359
fpbp

>>376586868
>It's also generally relatively physically flat but the more technical flatness thanks to climbing just pushes it even more.
Is this quantum shitposting?

>>376587013
FOR FUCKS SAKES FINALLY, people that aren't blinded from reality!

>>376586973
Great, I love getting mad at other people's opinions on games I don't play for consoles I don't even own.

>>376585212
This GIF perfectly sums up why western devs are so shitty, they care more about 'muh realism' than gameplay. We could have had something with as much freedom as Zelda years ago if western devs hadn't been so stuck on making everything like our real shitty boring world.

>>376587001
But you do. There's cliffs and ravines and bodies of water and you can't climb forever, and you can't climb up overhangs because you can't go upside-down. The goal tends to be to get to high ground so you can see things and fly to them. If you're thinking about getting to higher ground, you're thinking about verticality.

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>>376587091
special flatness relativity

>>376585212
If you actually prefer context sensitive climbing to universal climbing, you are a brainlet and or a filthy casual.

>>376585873
>What is a stamina bar
Nice bait tho.

>>376586983
You still climb towers.

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>>376586868
HEY EVERYBODY LOOK, HE'S A CRITIC!

>>376587108
If you don't own the game and never played it.... Then why are you still here exactly? Unless you just like to join in on shitposting?

If anything at least post your opinion then.

>>376586856
>Nintendo fans aren't educated about video games, they are insulated
I mean, if you call a continent an island, you could technicaly say the entire population of this planet is stranded on an island out there somewhere.

>>376587096
>>376587013
Why was it delayed for 4 years?
Someone explain this shit, please.

>>376585212
>Implying the Assassin's Creed games afterwards look half as good as AC1's climbing animations.

Seriously, 2 looked ok, and every AC after that started getting lazier and lazier with the climbing animations.

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Why the fuck hasn't anyone post THAT assassin's Creed gif yet is beyond me.

Why are all you assfaggots bitching about climbing in a fucking video game? Why so much shitposting?

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>>376587297
Is there anything that comes close to climbing towards the secret garden in Ico?

>>376587171
botw isn't fucking interesting though, so it's a moot point whether anyone would have had the ability to do something that barely counts as a game.

BotW's climbing might seem better if it were an actual Zelda game too, but it isn't. Virtually the entire game is traversing the overworld, and doing so in relatively straight lines.

Maybe it'd be cool to shittily climb a tall structure or a mountain in between actually completing huge difficult dungeons, but instead the game is just muh survival huntan collectan what-if-zelda-was-banjo-kazooie-and-also-not-fun where shittily climbing up shit is a basic and major function of the fucking game.

>>376587340
If you play and unironically enjoy baby games like Blow of the Whore, then we are perfectly justified in calling you a fanboy.

>>376587386
Because they need money. Too bad just about everyone that isn't a fanboy or a paid reviewer hates it.

>>376585212
They're both awful

Are people seriously going to say Asscreeds climbing is better when you can only climb up very specific footholds or you wont be able to progress

>>376587001

Except it doesn't work like that, even with the stamina fully upgraded there are many parts you can't reach unless you plan beforehand. I know you won't play the game, but at least stop parroting retarded shit.

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>>376586868
No, I'm a cridic

>>376587430
Because for those of us who like Nintendo, there will never be enough petty criticism.

>>376587386
Lol idk about it being delayed for 4 years but I do know that it was delayed for the switch to release. I think the switch was also rushed out just so that botw could release faster too.

I mean think about it, have you played on the switch when it first came out? It felt so dam incomplete. Even now it still doesn't feel like a complete console.

>>376585212
>stop liking the games i don't like
>reeeeeeeeee, etc

>>376585212
Thank God it didn't fall for the shitty parkour meme.

>>376585693
>BotW
>Challenging

Where is this challenge you speak?

>>376585634
SotC got high scores.

>>376587437
Comes to close in terms of what? The atmosphere and setting always interested me a lot more in ICO and it's presentation was mind-blowing back when it came out but SotC has a bigger and more epic scale to it.
What is it with people only playing SotC and not ICO anyways?

>>376587485
>when you can only climb up very specific footholds or you wont be able to progress
This isn't even true in later games, but what the fuck is your logic?

>WOWWWW I'M NOT SPIDER MAN???

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>>376587581

>being mad at a videogame
>enough to call it names like a kid

lol

>>376585806
You are undeniably right but... you shouldn't say it out loud on game forums lel could be dangerous

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>>376586634
Don't bully my girlfriend she's trying her very best!

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>>376587581
Holy shit this post is horrible.

>>376585693
Akko poster..

>>376587683
The climbing is literally based on invisible context sensitive hand magnets. If you weren't retarded you'd understand the difference.

>>376587446
>if it were an actual Zelda game too, but it isn't
>The latest Zelda game isn't a Zelda game becuause I say so
Good to know.

I do agree that it would have been fun with more elaborate dungeons though. I'm sure we'll get that in the next one, I bet a lot of development time went into the development of the physics/chemistry engine this time.

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>>376587718
No she's not. She's bottom barrel garbage.

>>376587652
Ico is just not that fun or interesting
SotC had a horse. Oh and the giants were pretty neat.

>>376587581
>isn't a real Zelda game
Was I just imagining the LEGEND OF ZELDA on the front of the cover?

>>376587581
Calm down anon, no one is saying they hate it, just that the praise and scores it got were bs. I enjoyed my time with the game but I wouldn't even give it a 9 desu. Maybe an 8 though.
It was cool and shit at first since everyone wanted to see how the Zelda series came along but after a few days of playing its pretty obvious the game was lacking. It had a lot of potential.
I can't tell if it's the hardware holding the game back or just the devs decided to create it like that.

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>>376587581
>An adult just actually typed this down with a straight face.

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I LOVE BOTW!

>>376585806
>always looks the same regardless of angle or surface
someone didnt play the game

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>>376585693
>actual skill

>>376586571
Skill lol as if climbing in zelda takes skill i am sure ubisoft or any other open world dev could add a stupid "stamina" bar or rather time limit on climbing if they wanted just like zelda lol

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Nigger of the Bitch isn't a real Zelda game We're not assmad, we're laughing at and criticizing retards who still enjoy the worst game of 2017 AKA Shit of the Cuck it's a soulless cashgrab designed and focus tested for mass appeal and nothing else. Cuck of the Bitch of the Shit Nigger

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You ever pirated something and ended up disappointed by it?
That's how I felt about this game.
How did it come to this?
How did they manage to fuck up star fox and zelda, the two series I grew up loving?
I didn't want it to end like this

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>>376587836

>>376587601
You are free to enjoy whatever you want. The problem is that gaming press acts like this game is something revolutionary. And It is revolutionary, but only for nintendo standards. Everything it does has been done before. If it wasn't an entry in the LoZ franchise, it would have struggled to score more than a 7 or 8 /10

>>376587215
Just to make sure, we're talking about Assassin's Creed and the like, not Zelda, right?

Anyway, if the game features shit like overhangs, there's mechanical depth added. That's good.
But these games almost never to that outside of it being a contrivance that clashes so much with the rest of the game. Like when devs put invisible walls or dead zones for mandatory stealth segments in an otherwise open world game.
But again: in principle those things could add depth to the gameplay, but they often are handled poorly and very sparingly in my opinion.

And yes, I'm talking about how these games handle verticality. Things like water doesn't add that kind of depth.
Of course water or pits are also mechanics that could indeed add depth to the gameplay, or be a mere contrivance if handled poorly. That's a whole other subject though.

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>>376587581
Here's your (you)

>>376587842
t. philistine

>>376585212
BotW disregards realism in order to allow the player virtually any surface even if traditionally implausible in a realistic setting.
Assassin's Creed needs to justify its climbing.

BotW disregarded realism in order to emphasize a wide span of gameplay options.
Assassin's Creed restricted its gameplay options in order to sling to a sense of realism.

Gameplay > realism
You might as well complain about Mario's jump in the original Mario being stupid because he can jump too high and too far, in addition to defy the laws of physics by being able decelerate mid-air.
That too was a choice to prioritize gameplay over realism. What incredibly shitty games Mario would have been had they been realistic.

>>376587853
W- was it all a dream?

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>>376587820
Don't push it kiddo.

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>>376587836
Here's another (you), damn you son, you should really lay off a bit, too many (you)'s can be bad for you.

>>376587498
I was talking about Assassin's Creed and its clones.

>>376587912
Brazilian method on the wii u or CEMU? I was disappointed too simply because the game wasn't what I was expecting after all these years.

>>376585212
BotW redefined open world. The world is a lot less open if there are things you can't climb and places you can't go.

>>376585634
And the game is great.

>>376586774
Right is more fun though

I havr a gf who doesn't understand trolling.

"Why would you be stupid on purpose?"

I'm gonna show this post to her to help explain it.

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>>376587836
Fuck off newfag.

Also HAHAHAHAHABANANAAHAHAHAHA
what are you even talking about?

>>376588074

It seems you don't understand "trolling" either, what you are thinking about is shitposting.

>>376586554
>open world
>areas connected by small corridors now counts as Open world
Look at this imbecile

>>376588037
>redefined open world

AKA: made another open world game?

This game tried to do so much but falls short in most aspects. Like, they definitely could've made the game so much better. Maybe the next title will push this new formula over the edge and hopefully has an actual story.

>>376587932
>Everything it does has been done before
Sure. Show me a game that's anything close to being as interactive as BotW. Where something as simple as lighting grass on fire leads to being able to make use of upward draft, light weapons on fire, spread fire to other areas, make use of wind, allow enemies to strenghten their weapons etc. etc.

>>376587912
>You ever pirated something and ended up disappointed by it?
Ironicaly enough, I felt that with the original Assassin's Creed, but having had the Jerusalem bug happen to me might have been the biggest reason for the distaste that game caused me.

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>>376588037
>Call it an OPEN world.
>Restrict what you can do openly

Dude what?

>>376588216
He's just gonna call you a retard because half of those aren't "muh realism"

>>376587987
its more like if a sequel to super mario let you jump and keep holding jump to fly over the entire level and then finish the level without having actually given a shit about the level design.

Cause that's what BotW's climbing is.

That is literally what BotW's climbing is.

>>376586774
realistic... doesn't get tired from hanging around
right... character gets tired from hanging or climbing

>>376588030
Did CEMU so I can play gamecube games as well.
It was kind of worth it, honestly.

>>376587759
>hand magnets
BOTW's universal climbing is exactly this, but with stamina. Rechargeable electromagnets?

>>376588017
Get that other trashbag outta here.

>>376587912
>>376588030
As a former Nintendo fan, Bleat of the Goat can lick a bulldog's crack. You're completely right. Better be careful about saying these things out loud though, the nintendies are listening...

>>376588192
This. It's an inherently defunct game pandering to modern trends, and that's why we're so dissapointed in it.

>>376588265
Whoops, you just pissed him off. Now he's gonna screech like a chmp.

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>>376588074
tbqh I don't really understand it either. What exactly is the fun in "pretending" to be retarded and "tricking" people into thinking you're retarded? It's like shitting you're pants and then laughing at everyone for pointing out you reek of shit. "Haha got em, I made you smell my shit stained pants and you gave me attention!!"

>>376587940
What? No, we're talking about Zelda. Assassin's Creed doesn't let you climb everything. It's restricted to specific things, you just kind of find the path they let you take up stuff.

>>376588314
No you dullard. The climbing in Asscreed is pre defined ledges and nothing more, there is no freedom involved.

>>376588265

You mean Super Mario Bros. 3 or Super Mario World, because those games are fucking awesome.

World is better[\spoiler]

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>>376588265
>its more like if a sequel to super mario let you jump and keep holding jump to fly over the entire level and then finish the level without having actually given a shit about the level design.

>>376587759
>>376588314
>hand magnets
Hand magnets still work when the surface is wet. Checkmate.

>>376588406
Did you like super Mario world?

>>376588310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooqTESm0xOw

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>>376588397
No, 3 is.

>>376587879
Not that guy but he's not exactly wrong. It's still a small set of somewhat canned animations (they have IK but that's it, no real "climbing system" beyond "you can climb on this surface, you can't climb on that surface")

The thing is, there isn't any differentiation between, say, points a real person could actually grip and just being a fucking gecko. Link's hands and feet don't go towards any hand holds or grippy things, he just grabs straight in the joystick direction

>>376585359
You: Dick climbing

>>376588216
You seem to be missing the bigger picture here. It uses a set of features together, just like every other game out there. Just because it uses a particular combination, it's not revolutionary.
You can steal stuff without repercussions in Skyrim if you cover the NPCs' heads with pots or buckets. Yet, there was no circlejerk over this. But everything in botw is treated as the second coming.

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>>376588356
Say yer prayers kiddo.

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>>376588505

You know that isn't true

>>376588536
They do not even have IK.

No.

>>376587912
quite the contrary for me anon, 3D Zeldas never held my attention like the 2D ones did, and now BotW is the first 3D Zelda that I absolutely love and finished... twice.

also, I can't pirate games, if I pirate a game I just can't appreciate it, I don't enjoy things I steal... I know it's odd but it's the reason I don't play any pirate games on my 3DS or Vita

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>>376588363
I wouldn't say it's defunct, it's got everything in it that's wrong with the modern games industry

>Ended up being delayed for years and gets downgraded compared to previous versions
Check
>Has content locked behind DLC
Check
>Has a season pass
Check
>Ends up completely fucking up lore aspects the previous games set up
Check
>Has a hoard of fanboys that refuse to acknowledge anything wrong with the game and use "it's fun" like it's an argument
Check

>>376587975
sorry your pretentious bullshit doesn't equate to good taste.

>>376588363
>As a former Nintendo fan
Are you literally a shill?

>>376588560

>Skyrim wasn't praised as the second coming

One big reason BotW is open world was because Aonuma played Skyrim.

>>376588536
>moving goal post
point was, Links animation do change depending on the inclination of the climb

ass creed dont have "real climbing" either, has a wider stock of "climbing" moveset, but still inferior to BotW as is limited to selected points and the routed in between. you cant reach a point unless the developers designed it on purpose to reach that (salvo some few exception distances you can actually trick the system with some distance jumps) but other than that AC climbing is more limited and inferior to BotW

>>376588592
Link's hands and feet don't sink into the surfaces he climbs, regardless of the angle he climbs that iirc. That's usually achieved with some very basic IK.

>>376588560
The statement was: doing something that haven't been done before - not revolutionary. No game have ever combined this many different systems before, because it's literally programming hell.

And I don't know what you're on about regarding Skyrim, that's one of the most beloved open world titles and it did get praised for pretty much everything when it came out.

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>>376588716
>still caring about the lore in Zelda

>>376588806

I like this new epic meme

>>376588749
Skyrim is extremely overrated too. But only casual gamers consider it revolutionary, because it was their first open world game.

>>376588716
>>Has a hoard of fanboys that refuse to acknowledge anything wrong with the game and use "it's fun" like it's an argument

I in particular use "it's fun" because I'm just tired of every time I acknowledge a strength or weakness in BotW I'm told to stop being retarded and that the whole game is shit. /v/ has given me no reason to try anymore when it comes to discussing this shit so I just quote people and post laughing faces because if I'm not, I'm a reddit user.

>>376588685
They made an episode of the Simpsons about this.
https://youtu.be/m-ZkYLmrxds
They stole Flanders eggs. Then decided to produce their own eggs and it didnt taste as good as Flanders' even though they were the same. So they went back to stealing his eggs.

Your behavior is not normal anon, maybe you pirated too much?

When you pirate movies or shows, does it make them less enjoyable?

>>376588363
>as a
>we're
>huehue

>>376588917

Well it seems Skyrim, Gta V, IV, SA, BOTW, JC2 and many others were my first open world game according to kids here.

Can't you enjoy anything?

>>376588965
>Your behavior is not normal anon, maybe you pirated too much?
I dont think it's too abnormal, I've seen/read other anons claim the same thing, both IRL and 4chan

>>376588379
Let me clarify then and say I'm talking about Assassin's Creed. The old ones, since I've abandoned that series long, long ago

But I remember vividly how every building was basicaly a cube, with a flat rooftop for you to walk on and the windows and ledges were layed out in a way that you could go pretty much straight up, super fast, no matter what.

You were literaly spider man back then. I don't know how they do things nowdays with that series, but if what I keep hearing is anything to go by, they probably didn't change much in this respect.

And for all this I can at least respect what they did with Zelda. They put a lot of mechanics that affect the climbing.
Like it or not, it's definitely much more in-depth than every other game I can think of.

>>376588716
>Has content locked behind DLC
>Check
>Has a season pass
>Check

You forgot charging you money for the rest of the game and also taking pieces of content away to be sold later.

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>>376585693
You dumb nigger it took me 2 days to beat this game because I don't have the autism required to wonder around the empty map and the game was baby tier easy, the fucking final boss is basically a cinematic experience during the second half.

>>376589014
As I said before, you are free to enjoy whatever you want. I have no problems with that.
It's just the hypocrisy in the media that annoys me.

>>376589202
Go away Joseph Anderson.

>>376589202
You bought a game about exploration and didn't want to explore?

>climbing was invented in 2007
good thread though i laff everytim

>>376585212
>left: a team of people sat down and really tried to make a climbing system that made sense and felt good with lots of different smart animations to appear realistic
>right: slow bombchu

>>376589092
Ubisoft has made several improvements to the climbing system, building architecture, and animations since then. Not saying this makes the games not shit, just credit where credit's due.

>>376589170
>You forgot charging you money for the rest of the game and also taking pieces of content away to be sold later.
You forgot the part where none of that is true.

>>376589046
I pirate as much as I buy but over the past few years I've only pirated because I can't trust these new games. Naturally if it runs fine and I'm satisfied, I'd buy a copy just to clear my conscience.
I haven't been able to enjoy games like I used to growing up. I thought maybe it was because I grew out of them and should've focused on my life but I think having all these games readily available to me ended up ruining it to me.

I can't even tell you the last few games I've played other than botw and re7. Literally 2016 was blank for me. Every title that came out was mediocre or disappointing.

Maybe buying games does make you enjoy them more? Or maybe it's because pirating games feels lonely (unless you play locally) since no one knows you're playing and theres no multiplayer.

I spent over 3000 bucks on my ps3 games alone and enjoyed every single title besides borderlands and white Knight chronicles. There must be some correlation anon...

>>376589202
>Only mentally disabled people enjoy large world games to their fullest

...Okay, anon...Whatever.

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>>376588954
Pretty much this but in the complete opposite direction. I'm just tired of every time I criticize games I'm told to stop being a hipster contrarian and that I'm just part of the /v/ hivemind. So now I just act like an batshit insane fanboy 'ironically' and defend the worst part of games because it's more fun to shitpost than to actually attempt any reasonable discussion in this reddit-overrun shithole.

>>376586868
Well I can't read your fucking mind anon.
I can only read what's out there.
Assuming we're still on the topic of the climbing and its effect on the level design, I don't think the climbing trivializes the world topography. To think that it's ease does so hinges on the assumption that the world wasn't designed to accommodate it.
Any dev with even the slightest bit sense lets their game mechanics define their level design. It's not rocket science. If you were to imply Nintendo had literally no sense here I'd assume you're just taking the piss.
The world design feeds into a satisfying loop of climbing things to use as vantage points then gliding down to areas for exploitation.
Also, aesthetics are fruitless to argue, but I thought it often looked nice.

>>376585359
Left: Looks realistic. Blends well with the environment. Can only move using the limited amount of ledges specifically placed by Devs. Unaffected by other game mechanics. Can jump off/let go and receive appropriate falling damage or land in a haystack unharmed. Player automatically jumps up if a ledge is too far up.

Right: Looks unrealistic. Can move on most but not all surfaces. Can move freely in any direction. Affected by Stamina, Equipment and Rain. Can let go and immediately glide or aim bow with remaining stamina. Player can choose to jump up at the cost of stamina.

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>>376589397
>didn't like White Knight Chronicles

>>376585212
yes we all have a facebook

>>376589513

>hay makes any jump from any height safe

Has anyone in ubisoft ever been close to hay?

>>376589541
If it makes you feel better, I put in a lot of hours into it...
I think some other game came out around its release so I kinda just stopped playing it. The MMO aspect of the game wasn't something I wanted to really get into.

... Should I give it another try or has it aged badly?

And people say that the butthurt or discussion on BotW has settled down.

>209 replies with 49 IPs

Make that 210 replies with 50 IPs including this post.

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>>376589541
I didn't play the sequel but the first one was a massive pile of shit.

>>376589673
My bad, make that 80 IPs, apparently I can't count and looked at the wrong tab.

>>376589397
I believe that, when getting games is too easy, you end up not playing anything, simply put, you have fun for maybe 30 minutes and then, you start thinking of the other games you can try out so you move to the next game and the cycle continues, take for example me pirating the 3DS, downloaded a bunch of games, tried all of them... but didn't feel like playing them, I unhacked my 3DS, bought a game and enjoyed it immensily.

same happened to my mini nes classic, hack it, launch a game, play for maybe an hour or get to a difficult part, reset and switch to another game. (I have finished 3 games on it though)

Anyway, I have played and owned OoT, MM, WW, TP and couldnt finish those games, but I do love BoTW, probably cause it reminded me of the NES Zeldas and their freedom.. that said, I could never finish a GTA either, they were only good for 30 minutes of fun at a time, I did however finished and loved Red Dead Redemption and Crackdown 1

>>376589454
>ease does so hinges on the assumption that the world wasn't designed to accommodate it.
it wasn't.

Aonuma and others have said that many features of the game were result of bugs that they retroactively decided it was more interesting and left it in like that. Climbing anywhere is likely one of those things. They also brought fresh blood in to virtually reboot almost everything about the Zelda franchise for this game, so I'd wager there wasn't even "the slightest bit of sense in designing good game mechanics" that might have otherwise been expected from a veteran team or some intelligible plan from the get-go.

>>376585359
>Right: Dynamic climbing
Dynamic memeing.

>>376589673
It says there's 80 posters though? That's like 2-3 replies per person.

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>>376589513
>Two different games have different pros and cons
This is unacceptable. I want my absolutes!

>>376589776
See >>376589742

When you regard that, this game has plenty of healthy discussion and I fail to see why people claim that this game has been forgotten unlike other recent open world titles like Mass Effect Andromeda (except to feel bad for the devs getting shut down) or Horizon.

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>>376585693
>skill

>>376589821
it's because OP is comparing them like they're not two different games you retard

>>376589852
>>376589673
The mobage thread on /v/ has more replies and double the IPs

>>376589747
Choice paralysis, something like that.

>>376589909
Jesus Zelda is such a dirty slut not washing off those dried cum stains on her forehead.

>>376589513
Not that it makes a difference, but I'm pretty sure if a ledge is too far up you have to hold the left stick up and press the jump button. You had to unlock it in AC2 by getting to Venice or some shit.

I sold my switch day 1, completed BOTW in hours, you can just skip straight to the final boss. The temples are also like 5 minutes long and has the exact same boss in every single one. The world is empty and has literally nothing in it.

Bought Horizon Zero Dawn on the PlayStation 4 instead. One of the best purchases in my life, it's truly a 10/10 game, the second best(number 1 is bloodborne, number 3 is uncharted 4 for those wondering). Do yourself a favor and buy a PS4, you won't regret it.

>>376589385
The animations were a strong point even back then. In fact, the philosophy of making it as shiny as it's shallow is probably what put them in the position they are now in the industry.
But still, I don't see nearly as much depth of mechanics in AC as there's in this new Zelda, even if BotW does it in a very approachable, almost casual way.

The OP is probably bait, but it's frightening how some people buy into that shit.

>>376589936
Which one?


All I see is FEH, which has 101 IPs and this one:

>>376587389

Which has only 24 IPs and 29 replies.

>>376589513
>left: looks realistic. blends well with the environment. because the devs actually intentionally designed the environment and the climbing mechanics
>right: looks unrealistic. can move on most surfaces. because the devs didn't care about intention or proper design and just tossed on top of everything else they'd already developed.

>>376587171
but botw has also shit zelda gameplay especially the combat is garbage thanks to idiotic design decisions like making every weapon out of paper and after it breaks you have to pause in active combat to change to another paper weapon, literally shit designed failures that would have been embarrassing 10 years ago but in 2017 its just baffling and laughable to the point you could use it in a stand up routine.

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>>376590053
falseflagging butthurt nintenigger

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>>376587581
>Nigger of the Bitch
>Shit of the Cuck
>Suck of the Dick
>Nig of the Drag

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>>376590053

>>376590053
What other Playstation 4 exclusives do you recommend /v/ro?

>>376590091
>left: scripted, linear, leaves no ability for player creativity
>right: nonscripted, nonlinear, offers multiple solutions allowing for player creativity

>>376590171
>left: entire world is built with these climbing points in mind, not actually scripted cause it's dynamic, as you can see in the animations
>right: scripted, offers you aimless directional movement to service the game also being aimless and pointless

>>376589747
Interesting.
I found a 2ds at my cousins house and he said I could keep it. Haven't played Pokémon since emerald was a thing so I thought it was a good chance to see what's up with thr series. Found out you could pirate easily on the 3ds and I ended up filling a 32gb card with tons of game.

Play Pokémon X for 6 hours straight and never play again lol. I kept trying to get into a game but I'd always get frustrated and quit it. So yea, I know how you feel. I have terabytes of games just sitting there. I keep thinking maybe one day I'll just sit down and play through one. Still waiting for that day. I only play on the weekends when people visit. Seems like they have more fun with my games than I do lol. I just got so much shit to do and whenever I have free time, I'm working on other things.

>>376589852
Well, I haven't played the game since the first two weeks of release. I got like 50 hours into it and found it to get a bit repetitive. Beat 3 brights and just decided to end the game and fought Ganon. Speaking of Ganon, that last fight was so shitty. I expected to see a humanoid Ganon that could talk and shit but it was literally just a monster. People actually tried to defend this by saying he got lost in madness or some bs lol. Very weak ending and story.

Anyway, I still like to join botw threads to see how people defend the games flaws.

>>376590271
>not actually scripted cause it's dynamic, as you can see in the animations
If you actually think that just because the animations transition smoothly that it somehow isn't completely linear and defined by the devs ahead of time, you are quite simply retarded.

>>376590171
>offers multiple solutions allowing for player creativity
not even fucking true thx to the stamina/time limit you are more or less force to go a straight to your goal or drop like a rock only after you collected crap to the point of ocd can you actually climp shit worth climbing and dont be a weak elf after three fucking grabs.

>>376590271
Don't bother debating with a dronie bro. They won't listen to reason and will valiantly defend their precious switchypoo like the second coming, not accepting anything that exposes the fact that the game just objectively isn't good.

In fact it's actually a pretty broken mess...

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post a nintenigger's face when they play Alien vs Predator for the first time as an alien.

There are plenty of other games that did aimless free climbing much better than zelda.

>>376590053
I haven't seen this pasta in a few days.

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>>376590332
>defining something ahead of time is worse than not defining something ahead of time

cool mental gymnastics.

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>>376590395

>>376590395
Well yeah, cuz it's an alien. I don't see the cannon fodder (humans) doing that, it's hardly a comparison.

>>376590340
You can straight up Jump up using Revali's Gale.
many mountains have resting spots so that you can actually plan the way you are going to climb them in case you haven't upgraded your stamina bar.

>>376588716
>>376588954

But, It's fun!

>>376590326
>Anyway, I still like to join botw threads to see how people defend the games flaws.
Good choice bro.

The tears of drone cucks are always delicious. Even better is the fact that what they're defending is a piece of dirt that was branded as a video game.

>>376590395
Nintendo fans literally refuse to play anything that isn't Nintendo though, that's an impossibility. Would be hilarious to see their reaction to a game that does literally everything better than Scam of the Chinks.

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>>376590445
Not him but you're actually still defending AC climbing?

>>376590326
I won't defend some of the glaring flaws (like shoddy framerate in the Lost Woods or some of those motion controlled shrines and uninspired combat shrines), but by and foremost BotW is the most accurate reendition of the original Legend of Zelda NES in 3D we've seen thus far.

Whereas OoT would be ALttP but in 3D, BotW is LoZ NES but in 3D.

The framework they have layed down is definitely great and I'm interested in seeing where they take the next game with regards to being able to write a more interesting story (because we all know the original Zelda game that this is inspired from didn't have much story in the game either).

We could get another Majora's Mask-like sequel sooner than later since Aonuma did say he wanted to use the physics engine to create smaller projects too.

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>>376590502
not that it's necessary when you can just refill your stamina while your stamina is depleting thanks to pause-screen eating.

>>376590453
she can poo in my loo

>>376590530
Dronie still defending his baby game and thinking it didn't kill the series? Well I guess another glass of tears doesn't hurt.

>>376590529
not you, but i'm not retarded. OP image buttravaged you.

>>376590340
>start a fire and use the updraft to launch yourself up
>use Revali's Gale
>use magnesis to build a seesaw and drop a boulder on the other side to fling yourself up

see, it's games like assassins creed that turns people into thoughtless retards like you

>>376590617
>>376590560
>>376590530
>>376590529
>>376590502
Fucking butthurt as fuck drones.

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>>376590617
It's games like half-life 2 and a decade of Garry's Mod that make BotW seem fuckin retarded in 2017.

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>>376590340
There's potions that restore stamina, movement speed increase potions, climbing gear and more. Also you can climb in the rain if you know how, because there's skill to it.

>>376590445
>defining something ahead of time is worse than not defining something ahead of time
That's completely true you disgusting casualfag.

>>376590596
Tears? Over what?

I'd rather have the BotW direction of non-hand-holdy Zelda than Windwaker.webm that you appear to enjoy like the brainless person you are.

>>376590612
No, not really. I enjoyed AC2 but I can recognize how limiting it's climbing is.
>>376590650
You don't know what butthurt looks like if you're lumping me in. There's an insanely stark difference between "driven by rage" and "bothering to give you the time of day."

>>376585212

because its a perfect game

>>376590560
That's another mechanic anon, so yeah, it's dynamic, I never crafted a stamina potion in my first run. so let me add your other solution.

You can straight up Jump up using Revali's Gale.
many mountains have resting spots so that you can actually plan the way you are going to climb them in case you haven't upgraded your stamina bar.
You can create stamina potions which you can use when you are climbing to replenish your stamina.

>>376590684
again, cool mental gymnastics.

>"lets just make up the rules as we go, okay first rule i make the rules, second rule I win you lose neener neener"

Who makes these threads?

>>376590740
Cool story bro.

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>>376590271
>animations are less pointless than actual gameplay

>>376590765
The only mental gymnast here is you. How exactly is that an apt analogy? Do you want the game to basically play itself? Because that's essentially what's happening when climbing in asscreed.

>>376585738
and music.

In all fairness, SotC is a very simple game that was put together very well.

>Complex=/=good

>>376590738
>Tons of filler content:
>5 dungeons, 4 copy pasted
>120 shrines, all copy pasted assets
>900 Korok seeds
>Lack of enemy variety
>15 types of enemy
>4 levels each for 11 of those
>4 variants, 3 elemental, of those 4 levels
>Unbalanced combat
>Combat becomes a constant numbers game
>Lack of enemy variety leads to repetitive combat
>Damage dealt is the sole difficulty factor
>Flurry rush is cheap reward that rewards quick timing, not skill
>Weapons are still too brittle at the endgame, due to the numbers game
>No sense of progression due to above factors
>Copy pasted bosses, overworld and in the dungeons
>Blood moon happening every few minutes means combat is meaningless
>No story
>17, 2 minute memories scattered around the world to increase playtime
>Zelda and Link the only characters with development
>No attachment to other characters because they have very little screen time
>Side characters are one-dimensional
>No building tension after the Great Plateau
>Significant ruins are left with no explanation
>Inconstant lore in the names of the areas
>Setting is 10,000+ years after the last NES game, which had little to no story, to distance itself from a fleshed out timeline
>Doesn't explore that pezriod of 10,000+ years in any fashion
>Plot holes - e.g. why is Zelda still young, why did Calamity Ganon only start rebuilding himself once Link awoke, why didn't the Divine Beasts stir up any trouble before Link awoke, who the sorcerer was, etc.
>Amateur voice acting, and bad amateur voice acting
>No reward for exploring due to all of the above

>>376590804
God

how many of you like bioware up in here?

>>376590834
nice pasta

>>376590530
Yea that's the thing anon...
The game felt kinda empty or whatever the right word is. Point is, I don't like people who say the game is a 10 with all these blatant flaws. I'm not going to give any game a pass, even if it's part of one of my favorite series.
They could've taken botw to the next fucking level but it seems like they held it back.

Hopefully like you said they make the next rendition much better. Let's be honest, this game was a straight up collectathon. One goal, beat Ganon. Yet people knew they were probably to weak to fight him so they tried to get "stronger" only for the payoff to be underwhelming. People played the game like a sandbox title.

I'm sure they'll do it right in the next game. I want more story next time.

Oh.. Another leaf farming (((you)))s with obvious shitposting thread

>>376590834

perfect.

>its okay when zelda does it
open world was more copypasted than AC too which is real fucking sad, for journalists to be praising such lazy uninspired games

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>link just climbs up anything like spiderman
>assassin creed climbs up actual ledges and grabbing spots
>MUH OPEN WORLD CLIMBING
fuck off drones you are so dumb for real

>>376586065
Everytime non-tech people talk about their idea of implementations of game mechanics in a game i cringe. Object oriented programming exists. Giving the player tons of freedom with fewer lines of code is easier than handholding them.

>>376591021
>>its okay when zelda does it

and dont you ever fucking forget it

>>376591021
>open world was more copypasted than AC too which is real fucking sad
No it wasn't.

>>376585212

DESIGNATED CLIMBING SPOTS

>>376591223
>A namefag appears

D-...D-do I throw a pokeball?

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>>376591223
see
>>376591068

Assassin's creed has realistic climbing. You can't just climb anything irl like in botw you need leverage and spots to grab. Real life has designated climbing spots it's not like you can just climb up a 90 degree bare wall like link does.

>>376591323
Who cares about realism? Its about the gameplay.

Why did Overwatch win Game Of The Year for 2016? The World may never know

Breath of the Wild seems like F material.

Like, imagine for a moment a class of kids and they are all given the same homework assignment: make a zelda game.

the next day, all the kids bring in zelda games, except dear ole aonuma-san. Everyone presents their zelda project one by one, then when aonuma is called upon he gets up and, with a stupid proud grin on his face, shows us Breath of the Wild.

All the other children's Zelda games have similar themes and concepts, cause clearly there was some source material to work with - but Breath of the Wild is more like a book report by a student who instead watched a loose hollywood adaption and wrote about that in lieu.

It really seems like aonuma's team got distracted by physics and climbing to the point that they never got around to actually completing the rest of what a Zelda game entails. Instead of a zelda game with physics and climbing and a huge world as progressive additions, what we got instead was a complex physics and climbing in a huge world simulator that they retroactively slapped the Zelda brand name on.

They got distracted by the physics and climbing and forgot to make the rest of the game.

>>376591323

>literally hold x to climb

>>376591323
Can I dive down from 100 feet into a haystack and come out unhurt in real life?

>>376591423

according to fucking who

>>376591379
>nintenbros finally get an open world game that doesn't take 20 hits to die from enemies
>n-n-not about realism
Maybe you should have bought a ps4 for spiderman If climbing walls is such an important mechanic

>>376591482
Depends on how deep the hay is and how much there is.

>>376591482
can i fuck your sister?

>>376591482
How do you know there isn't a stunt mat under the hay?

>>376591548
I think the consolewars have driven you insane.

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>>376590395

>>376591508
GDC.
>>376591574
Yeah no, that's not how hay will ever work. At a certain distance you're just gonna die all the same, but you'll get hay everywhere.

>>376585212
>because zelda game xdDDD my childhood :3
>zelda + skyrim!!!!!

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Minecraft has more "freedom" than zelda because being able to deform your environment is alot more poweful than climbing walls.

You may not like minecraft but you cannot deny this truth

>>376591651
Well you specifically said 100 feet.

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>>376591740
faggot

>>376591745
This is why this place being anon-only is a pain in the ass because that's my first post towards you.

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>>376590326
>Anyway, I still like to join botw threads to see how people defend the games flaws.

I like to join BotW threads to see people jumping through hoops desperately trying to find a flaw - like OPs post. The tears from salty assblasted /v/tards is hilarious. I've never seen such rage-infused denial on these boards.

>>376591907
Bonus points when they assume we're buttmad because we gave them a wall to angrily bounce off.

>>376591740
Ok, two different type of game but ok

>>376591740
I like minecraft and I also accept this truth.

BotW is basically Minecraft if Minecraft didn't have randomly generated worlds or world destruction or world building or carts or redstone or fun or multiplayer.

>>376591440
You actually typed all this shit out, probably under the delusion that you would sound clever.

Still can't name a better open world game than BotW. Oh deary me.

2 months later and sonybros are still salty
impressive

>>376591907
that pretzel isn't actually very big, Aonuma is just a manlet.

>>376591907
The Legend of Zelda: Pretzel's Mask

>>376592105
Aren't all Japs?

>>376592060
Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto 4
Grand Theft Auto 5
Minecraft

idk i don't play many open world games. Hard to imagine being worse than BotW though, so I'd wager all and any of them are better. All the Elder Scrolls were great.

>>376588254
read that post again

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>>376585212
The fact that everything is foggy and the colors aren't crisp make me give it a 0/10 automatically.

It looks like complete ass.

Windwaker looked really good color/style wise.

>>376585212
Because it's amazing, you cunt.

>>376591907
>Implying this game is perfect and a masterpiece

>>376591482
How about you try it?

>>376592318
I like how we got memed once again into thinking 'the next zelda' would be more traditional instead of wewlad gimmicks. I see that green magic meter and feel so bad that Twilight Princess once had a magic meter during development, and so did BotW.

>>376592318
I'm fully convinced that Wind Waker's visuals will never age. It's like delicious wine.

>>376592363
>months after release assblasted console war faggots still feel obligated to make threads every day to make somebody hate a game that people like
why even waste the time?

>>376585634
SotC also received high praise, what's your point?

>>376587452

>MUH NINTENDO, MUH SONY IS BETTER

get over it faggot

>>376592504
>months after release assblasted nintenbros still feel obligated to make threads every day to shill a game that people don't like
why even waste the time?

>>376592504
We'll keep making threads till you learn. It's that easy. Plus, seeing you sperg out is hilarious. Nobody visits 4Chan for actual game discussion anyway, there's other forums out there without any crying nintendo fanboys if you want to have an adult conversation with someone.

>>376592363
I hope you guys eventually realize that this is all on you and pro-Nintendo people here are largely just here for the sake of a conversation or easy (You)s because you love arguing us down.
This war ends when you guys let it die.

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>>376592363
>I'm sitting here laughing at all the toddlers

>>376592626
>make sperg thread
>lol you're retarded
>LMAO CHIMPING OUT NINTENDRONE BTFO
whatever man

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>>376592363
This is just sad

>>376586325
This is something that I find super interesting about the way BotW is designed. It contains a lot of elements that have become popular in Western games over the past ten years, but it implements all of them interestingly and in its own way. Not sure I'd go as far as to say that it makes what's old new again but it makes it fairly refreshing.

>>376592626
>We'll keep making threads till you learn
learn what wtf

>>376592725
Nice strawman. I see that you made it yourself, that's just sad you know. Making comics to bash on people thinking it invalidates their arguments. Crawl back into the hole you came from please.

>>376592849
That he's very, very upset that BOTW exist

>>376592856
Did I hit too close to home? Sorry.

>>376592856
>calls something a strawman without refuting it
Classic sign of somebody who got called out.

>>376592849
The extent of his anal anguish and the taste of his salt.

>>376592892
people don't get upset over good things. time to realign on the right side of history.

>>376592856
>meme pic comparing a non-gameplay pre-rendered shot to a cropped and overblown shot of a compressed in game image
>argument
come on now

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>>376592336
Nothing is perfect. But BotW's 'flaws' amount to nothing but nitpicks, they never come anywhere close to overshadowing what is a masterclass in game design that people will still be talking about in 20 years time.

The problem is that /v/ so desperately NEEDS to find some way to bring the game down, that they elevate these nitpicks to being full-blown game-breaking flaws when they wouldn't even be mentioned against any other game which had genuine issues.

>T-There's only 20 enemy types in the whole game!

Fucking hilarious.

I guess it must be difficult for /v/ to accept. There seems to be such irrational, unchecked hatred for Nintendo amongst the clueless kiddies here. Watching the same people who devoted so much time and energy to discrediting the switch and Breath Of The Wild - from spreading lies to cherry-picking screenshots - doing everything within their ability to make the console and the game seem bad. Only to have their reality brutally crushed when BotW turned out to be one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. The ass sting must be immeasurable.

>>376593039
I hid your post :^)