Video Game Raised $148 Million From Fans. Now It’s Raising Concerns.

Years. Even then they will just release a broken mess and get even more money.

inb4 only commentors are people who haven't played the game

>>376575003
there is no game, there is a demo that shows barebones functionality

They could literally release anything resembling a game and no legal action could be taken.

How did it get so much money anyway? I thought this was a niche genre

>make millions of dollars off gullible idiots
>implying you wouldn't do the same

>>376575117
Rich people with something to prove keep donating every time a thread like this is made. They think that, if they throw a lot of money to the project, it will succeed, for sure.

This game is either a scam, or it's gonna be a case study in software engineering failures years down the line.

>>376575117
mainstream coverage in the gaming space atleast, rich people who want more space games, PC master race idiots who donate shit ton of money into their killer app because the devs said consoles can't run the game, people with more money than brain cells, sunken cost fallacy and furrieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blPpnnSOiwk

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>Another Kikestarter thread

>>376575781
Lol stay in pol please, first landing rocket in history and you're calling him a dud

>>376575781
I test drove a Model S, and it was fucking GOAT. I couldn't afford the S but I put my preorder down for the Model 3.

Talk shit on SpaceX all you want, but Tesla delivers.

>>376575439
It's an exemplary case of scope creep. They will never be able to deliver.

>>376575781
SpaceX is doing pretty well and the only issue Tesla has is that they can't make cars fast enough for the people that buy them.

>>376576161
Just for the record there are successful cases of software with huge feature creep. They were just delivered severely late and with big cost overruns

>>376573619
The article in question isn't really negative. It notes the risks involved with kickstarter, notably getting way more money than you intended, but is mainly positive or neutral about it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/technology/personaltech/video-game-raised-148-million-from-fans-now-its-raising-issues.html

>>376575781
You know that the government actually made profit from Elon Musk, right?

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>now it's raising concerns
>now

>>376576307
>>376576161
They should've gone for an incremental model. Release a working product before you add more features. You need to maintain confidence of your investors. Or perhaps they knew that kickstarter donors are morons and will keep shelling out money anyway.

>>376576161
>SpaceX is doing pretty well
SpaceX is largely successful but not terribly profitable. Specifically SpaceX was profitable, but before the explosion in 2016 had a measely 0.2% operating profit, compared to ~12.5% at United Launch Alliance (a Boeing and Lockheed Martin joint venture), and the explosion fucked them hard..

However their launch costs lower than similar systems, the cheapest in the world, and they charge significantly less per launch than LockMart/Boeing without the billion dollar per year retainer the US government pays to ULA.

Most importantly, they're privately held so small profits now while developing the means for significantly greater profits later. Refurbished spacecraft could net them an increase in profit of $20 million+ per launch, and if the Dragon capsule gets man-rated by NASA then for the first time in years Roscosmos will have some crew transport competition.

>>376575501
lol that's the furry that tried to take down the video mandaloregaming made shit talking the fan community for being autistic

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>>376575781
One post and I already think you're one of the most jaded anons here.

So what's it like being the only intelligent person in a world of sheeple? Should we all wake up?

>>376576720
you do know energy subsidies for solar power vehicles has existed long before elon musk and has always been a negative return to the budget right?
besides, its almost ridculously hard to even find whether or not a subsidy turn a profit or no.

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>>376576161

>the only issue Tesla has is that they can't make cars fast enough for the people that buy them.

What you should have said is their quality control is absolute garbage and the final build quality is equally as shit.

Pic related passed visual inspection and quality control.

So it turns out furfags are the rich consumers commisioning porn and spacefags are the rich consumers commisioning video games.

If you want more of what you like in the world, just be rich.

>>376578239
So that's one out of how many thousands of cars? That's a better failure rate than <your favorite console>

>>376573619
It was obvious from the get go. They'll just release a buggy mess and then they've fulfilled the Kickstarter.

>>376575112
BS
No one has tested unfulfilled crowdfunds in court yet. There's no precedent. It's the wild west. Anyone can be sued.

>>376575195
Can confirm, rich econ professor at my undergrad wouldnt stop talking about this game

>>376578239
Body panels are cosmetic. No one gives a fuck.

They fucked themselves and deserve every bit of shit they get

>Estimated Release date coming
>Rather than finish what they were doing they decide
>"Hey let's promise this instead and push the date back"
>Repeat a bunch more times

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Post yfw fans of this scam start claiming that an actual game release is not necessary, that the "experience" so far has been satisfactory enough.

>>376575187
I would do the same, I would even aim for a lot of more money. Fuck them, idiots don't deserve any money.

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>>376577595
no fucking way source?

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>>376573619
>now it's rasing concerns
>now

>guy advertises a game as a smart game fo smart gamers which is why its PC only
>PC nigger faggot's ego tricks them into dumping all their money because of a reddit meme
>For 4+ years PCocks have been saying Star Citezen will be out any day and console gamers will commit suicide
>Here we are today and nothing has come of it
Justice reigns from above.

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>>376579210
And by the time this shitshow is released(low chances of that happening, but still), next gen consoles will be out and will run it without without breaking a sweat.

>>376578762
Thats a structural component

I met an autist irl that said Star Citizen was a scam. I then confronted the claim and asked him how was it a scam. His face got red and he shrugged.

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Don't really care at this point. The dogfighting and racing was already worth the $45. Better than most games released at full price. The updates are just a bonus.

>>376579210
>trying to start consolewar bullshit even though nobody fucking else brought it up

holy fuck no one gives damn, shit like this is so fucking annoying.

>>376575003
Safe bet considering it doesn't exist.

>>376580207
Welcome to every other thread on this board that still actually talks about video games.

It's too ambitious.

>>376579521
>filename
Of course you are. Go back there and stay put this time.

>>376580332
Not really.

>>376580207
After the dev shat talked and PC users laughed it up, they deserve the ridicule.

How many times have we danced this dance of death already?

Niggers got lucky with Shovel Knight, Skullgirls, and Shantae. People who backed Drift Stage and Shenmu 3 are going to die before the games are released.

>>376580332
I think you mean
>Devs are in over their heads as usual

>>376573619
crowd funding eliminates the (((middleman))) and will soon replace all the old system of course they are going to be concerned, you're seeing this more and more with patreon, Star Citizen is just going to prove that games made with serious crowd funding support are going to be many many times more superior to publisher counterparts

>>376579210
No one has claimed sc to release soon. What's your malfunction????

>>376580443
> what is google images
How much money did you waste on this failed project, senpai?

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>>376575781
>SpaceX is a dud
you're right it's not like they have private sector contracts and just achieved history by landing reusable first stages.
>Tesla is only alive because of government gibs
yeah nobody buys those, they don't even have year long waiting lists and aren't even releasing a non-luxury car soon that will drive itself.

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>Space sim
>Lets add a FPS element because of all those space sims with FPS
I bet there won't even be boarding of player ships

>>376580786
>crowd funding eliminates the (((middleman)))
That "middleman" being the publisher, the bastard in the nice suit who holds your feet to the fire to actually put out a finished, playable product before you get any money.

>give me squadron 42 on consoles and I will be another one of those faggots

>>376580332

It went off the rails when Chris decided to use the $100+ million funding to make a much bigger game as opposed to what the backers were buying.

and each time they get more funding, he adds even more shit to prolong the game further.

>>376581261
deep silver's published games really push the boundaries on "playable" and "finished" at times to be fair

I actually sold my account for 25% profit about a year ago. And while I got my money back, I only wish success for the game

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>>376573619

>now it's raising concerns
>now

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>>376575003
>literally two posts for the cognitive dissonance defense force to beam down to defend scam citizen

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>>376573619
>now

>>376581221
there has been for a while

>>376576743
This, what the fuck is wrong with some people. Star Citizen bit off more than it could chew way earlier on than this

>>376581261
>put out a finished, playable product before you get any money.
Publisher-funded game devs don't just do free labor for years until they release a product, you colossal dumbfuck. They get paid a salary to do their job.

Holy shit. I hope the rest of you aren't as much of a moron as this anon.

>>376576743
before right now saying star citizen raising concern could be chalked down to entirely to skepticalism regardless of how well placed it is but now that it seems like that the growing opinion is concern they can put these articles out with less backlash than doing it earlier

You.
Yes, you. The one screaming, "There's bad animations!" and "Chris lied to us!" and other slurs I dare not mention.
Tread lightly.
You are one. We are hundreds, thousands. Millions. You aren't just IN the minority; you ARE the minority.
I don't feel awkward or anxious playing Star Citizen around others, and your words don't affect me. Many others, however, are coming out of their shells for the first time in their lives. This is the first time many are enjoying the beautiful world that has been hand crafted for us - and it IS beautiful. Incredibly so. DON'T ruin this for them. We Star Citizen fans may have our differences, but we will not hesitate to come to the aid of our fellow explorers, especially against someone who so virulently slurs that which has brought us all together.
Don't take this the wrong way. I don't hate you. I don't fear you.
I pity you.
I'm sorry that you feel this way towards us. I'm sorry that Star Citizen is such a bane to your existence. And I'm sorry that you are missing out on such a wonderful experience. Mostly, though, I'm sorry that you feel the need to go around and publicly chastise and berate others. I'm sorry that, to ensure your own validity, you need to make others feel invalid. I'm sorry that your self-worth is so infinitesimally miniscule that you have to make others feel less-than-human, at least in your own denatured mind, just to feel whole. I am truly sorry that day-in and day-out you have to put up with your worthless, meaningless, Shakespearean tragedy of a life.
I ask you politely to cease your unnecessary cries for attention, and instead invite you to join our ranks. Uninstall Call of Duty, start up Star Citizen, and breathe in the splendour and the amazement of looking around the cockpit of your $250 spaceship, and then, maybe, just maybe, you'll see what you've been so hopelessly searching for this whole time

>>376582302
the fact someone was fully serious when typing this the first time is the ultimate cringe.

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THANKS FOR THE SHEKELS SUCKAS


$$$ CHA CHING $$$ MONEY OVER MOUT RUNNIN

>>376582509
Wasn't it about No Man's Sky originally? Either way it's pretty funny and also pretty sad that someone typed this out completely seriously.

>>376573619
I played on one of the free weekends about a year ago and there was no content, I played the most recent free weekend and it´s like they didn´t add anything except a FPS game. I had a dream a while ago I ran into chris in a parking lot as he was trying to buy a hooker to snort coke with with his scam citizen bucks, he was upset about the cock block. Maybe my dream is actually true and he´s just banging hookers and snorting blow

Starting with the cry engine to make an mmo in blew probably at least 50 millions dollars.

The problem with crowfunding is there is nothing to keep you in check. It's extremely ineffeciant for big projects.

This game is probably gonna cost 300 millions dollars at the end, GTA V was made with half of that. No guarantee it's gonna be good or fun.

If you think about it, 150 million bucks is insane. Trump's primary presidential campaign was a third of that cost.

>nyt
fake news

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>>376573619
>now
Im fucking done holy shit, hooooly shit.

>>376573619
Damn 148 mil? Were in the wrong business bros

>>376578672
This could be the precedent setting case. $150m can buy one hell of a defense team.

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>>376581221
I lost all interest when they announced cryengine for a space game, since i saw this coming
You can't give americans this much money for a game and not expect FPS and their precious hitscan faggotry

I feel so bad for the original backers that were only looking for freelancer 2.

>>376576061
>the 3
That thing is shaping up to be a poopy compared to the S. Enjoy your tablet for an interior.

>>376583946
According to the studio making this hot garbage, they don't even have the budget to keep funding the game properly, if that's true they're probably going to get welfare attourney's and get their fudge packed by the rabid fans who lacked foresight to not give them money

>>376584041
>image
There is nothing wrong with an joying one cookie... The second she starts eating 3 or 4, I will intervene.

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Oh Sandi you ticklefiend you

>>376584041
At this point I would settle with a well done Smugglers

>>376576061
>I test drove a Model S, and it was fucking GOAT
>I couldn't afford the S
Which is why you don't realize that it's a shit car for its price range

The guy is now a millionaire thanks to stupid backers. He doesnt even have to deliver anything. He's made for life.

>>376573619
They can't now.
All eyes are on them. The moment they try they will be stringed up with lawsuits.

ASK THEM FOR A REFUND!

If you politely say that this is no longer the game you originally backed in 2013 but you still wish them the best of luck they'll refund you within the week. If you call them greedy nigger kikes they won't.

>>376584869
This is true, but it's only because the state of CA started making noise about prosecuting them if they didn't. For awhile they refused all refunds.

>>376584869

>not selling your account to an autistic rabid fan that's making a ship taxi service out of your account ships

I literally made a huge profit.

>>376584220
Part of me hopes that star citizen really does deliver; I love the concept and a clunky, original engine sounds highly appealing.

On the other hand, I'm betting, and mostly hoping, for a crash and burn. Crowdfunding bs is out of control. It'd be nice for a legal precedent to be settled, even if it's class action suit or something.

This is probably a magnified example of the whole 'indie dev indie game' subculture that's emerged recently, that's equally as cancerous as big studio dev rehashes though.

>>376573619
A fool and his money are soon parted

>>376584961
>original engine
you mean the Frankenstein version of cryengine that they're using?

>>376584927
That's even better actually.

>>376577145
Like what Shovel Knight is doing? Imagine if Yacht Club were retards and only released the game when they finished Kangz knight.

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The backers, Rawberts...

Why Derek's games are not included on this general? OP has something against real videogames.

+£1000 for good ships. people actually buy into this shit though.

>game gets funded and then overfunded like a thousand times over
Yeah, that's going to all be on the consumer at this point. They're literally commissioning a project without knowing a damn thing about it. All everyone is doing is preordering in a way that makes themselves feel good. Personally if crowd funding is something you hate, then you really have to blame the people who make it successful. If this burns, I hope it's the idiots who put way too much money they couldn't afford to drop in the first place who cry the hardest.

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>>376573619
>you'll live to see the 2 part documentary on how this kills kickstarter

The best part is that the game went p2w a long time ago and everyone pretends they could still have a good time with it once it goes live. Just consider the thought of getting ravaged by people who not only bought ships that you'd have to grind months for but also bought in-game cash for real money to get all items/upgrades without having to actually play, just to perpetuate that is the pyramid scheme behind SC's business model. They even offer subscriptions now.

I do wonder a bit if you can fuck Roberts' wife in the ass while he watches and gives you thumbs up in approval after you've spent enough in the SC store.

>>376580129
To be honest it's delayed but not ridiculously so yet. They kickstarted pretty much before even starting a game with an insanely huge scope. And it got delayed to all shits. But i mean it's not duke nukem forever, that shitty shadow of colluses dog game or even ffXV or Persona 5 tier development hell. There is a balance publishers shoot for between announcing a game early enough to maximize hype, but not too early it gets cancelled or delayed to shits making them look bad. This happens all the time and most people just don't know because the announce was held off. Kickstarter is just the extreme because you announce the game pre-production, and backers aren't proffesionals with other income streams or even an expected ROI. You literally gave a company free money and learned game development isn't sun shine amd rainbows while publishers stand there with a thumb up their ass collecting free money. This isn't some pixel art or unity project nostalgia bait. It had very real risks, costs and delays.

>>376584171
>Model 3
>Intended to be a higher end, but still generally affordable, everyday driving car

>Model S
>Intended to blur the line between sports car and luxery car

Hmmmm geez I wonder why the S is better than the 3....

>>376589426
Didn't mean to (you)
>>376580129
(you) lad. Apologies.

When they initially pushed their shit 30 bucks got you the entire game. Now apparently that 30 bucks i paid when they first started collecting money doesn't get me the game no more... i wish i could get my cuck bucks back

Doesn't squadron 42 come out this year?

>>376573619
Star Citizen reminds me of all the funding that went to Hillary Clinton.

>>376584769
Because you don't need to pay studio any money. He was rich before he started working on SC.

>>376575187
>>376578917
>knock knock
>we're with the IRS

>>376584041
>1 cookie equals 500 jumping jacks
Jeez, why do people do this at all? They must be crazy inefficient if 3 mins of running does the same

>>376581261
Paradox

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>>376588642
I think my favourite thing about all this is they were filming a documentary about the making of the game like two years ago. I want to see THAT shit when this all goes tits up.

Keep in mind they once published a video to explain why the only thing they could show everyone at CitizenCon was a barely working scripted sequence that had a giant sandworm in it and at the end the whole thing glitched out. The video came out so soon after CitizenCon (still the most accurate name) it was pretty obvious they knew how fucked they were.

Don't pretend it's crowd "funding", it's merely buying a unfinished product. Funding would imply you have any legal contract that obligates either party to uphold a bargain. There's no such thing - you merely made a vage purchase on their website and they can do whatever they want to fullfill the order. People who spent money on this title does not have any rights, aside from having some form of access to a particular item/ship, which is already given with the hangar module.
I have no sympathy and do not see a scandal here. Anyone who engaged in such a business transaction is clearly dumb and unfit to handle money.

>>376578239

Lol, apparently this happened in the town next over to me. I've seen a few around and one always parks near the Tim's I go to when I'm at work. Driving around $75 000 car while drinking cheap ass coffee.

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Someone explain me why people keep paying for the promise of a product.

Not just memestarter, also preorders. Why do you do it? Don't you want to know what you're getting before you part with your money?

>>376590361
Actually by being a "vague" purchase they're tying it down in consumer law and in most western countries there's some form of consumer protection law that actually protects people's right to get a refund in the event of substantial delays and so forth.

This isn't even in dispute, you can get a refund from CIG currently even though their terms of service argue that you cannot, because they know if it were challenged in the jurisdictions of most of their major markets their tos would lose to consumer law.

The actual issue with Star Citizen in regards to other people's money is that at some point when this thing collapses the possibility of getting a refund will be zero, because there's no money to give. Anyone holding out till then is doing themselves no favours and should probably look into getting one now.

>>376588642
fucking someday if there is justice in this world.

someday...

>>376590562
I don't understand either. Blind hype? Retardation?
Preorders seem to be bought for ramdom cosmetic items as a bonus.

I think kickstarter backs actually believe the meme that no publisher will touch their projects for reasons other than that it is completely shit, and that rpgmaker tier games cost millions. It should bw a redflag to anyone that publishers, actually standing to make an ROI turned down a project.

>>376590564
There is no delay. You get access to a hangar module where you can access your purchase, the ship(s) in question. I do know that under EU law RSI is in the clear from a sales side, though perhaps (false) advertisement might catch up to them in the long run - which isn't an issue until they ever lable the software as "final". In times of early access garbage being tolerated that is probably not going to happen for a long time. Not sure about the legal situation in the US though, perhaps the situation is different.
The only reason they began to refund was to avoid mounting legal costs over minor purchases like 30$, which instantly vaporize the second any lawyer picks up a pen, even when RSI could win the case.

>>376590879
Fear of missing out on both cases.

>>376578239
>>the only issue Tesla has is that they can't make cars fast enough for the people that buy them.
That and not making any daily drive cars.

>>376591000
Not every ship is hangar ready, and until Star Citizen itself is released these products can still be refunded as the core product hasn't been released so the core function of the product (the ship) cannot be utilised as advertised.

They did at one point when they were refusing refunds attempt to claim that they had released enough of a product via the "Persistant Universe" to classify Star Citizen as released to meet the requirements of not having to give refunds cause "you're taking too long and haven't released the product", but when people began to seriously challenge it they backed down.

Many of these refunds have been in the thousands of dollars, which is kind of alarming but it's nice to see people getting out and still getting their money.

>they've spent more time buying coffee machines than developing

>>376583946
>implying they haven't already used up the money to buy $150 million dollars worth of hookers and blow

>>376578532
Your console doesn't cost 75000$ you stupid fuck.

>>376580302
Consolewars ruined this board, thanks neo-/v/. And no, they weren't nearly as numerous as they are today.

>>376592440
eat shit homo, tesla is the future and nothing you post will change that
in 10 years everyone will own at least 1 tesla

>>376592812
>in 10 years everyone will own at least 1 tesla

Are you 12 or something?

>>376592915
are you retarded?

>>376592812
No, they won't. The traditional car makers are entering the market as well, with production capacities, marketing force and brand recognition that tesla will never be able to match.

>>376573619
Gamers are the worst consumer group by far. They will buy anything and are extremely vocal against other people trying to impose consumer protection against developers.

Does no one remember when they lost over half their staff because no one in the studio was working on a game? Everyone was working on marketing material for the next fundraising stage.

This game was foul from the start but you will never convince its supporters that it is anything but a masterpiece even if the dev cuts and runs.

>>376593141
>consumer protection
This smells like communism to me.

How much do LTI Avengers go for nowdays? I should probably sell mine

>>376573619
>3.0 multiplayer support infrastructure delayed
People on forums starts getting angry, with all the extra content that means the game fps is gonna drop to low 20s when it already struggles handling 30fps.

No news on squadron 42.

kek im happy i waited and didnt buy in to scamcitizen, 3.0 was gonna be the thing that showed me they could create a mmo infrastructure to handle more than 24players and increase the fps from 20-30 to 60. But they showed they havent been able to do that

>>376575117
Space sim games are extremely popular with insecure people with empty existences. And there's a lot of them.

Holy shit it's STILL not finished?

Once I heard they were going to be making a fps shooter and spin off crap paralell to working on the main game I thought they'd fuck it up

>>376588642
>tfw you won't, because the release date will still be tba and CIG will have the world's 5th largest operating budget and 1st largest fleet (of jpegs)

>>376589750
>scam idiots
>pay your taxes
>???
>profit

>>376578672
Unless they get some lawyer to do it for them, nothing will come out of it and most crowdfunding sites specifically states that there is a "risk" involve.

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>>376573619
>now it is raising concerns

>>376573619
When did it start?

Why are people worried about this, there are furry artists making 6 figures a year on patreon.

Stupid people waste money, more news at 10.

>>376592812
lmaoing @ ur life

What the fuck are they doing with the money? Steak lunches and dinners for employees everyday?

>>376594296
>3.0 was gonna
It is really sad desu. SCfucks keeps telling themselves that it's happening when it is already 2 years late and counting and they don't even know if it is really good or not.
>>376595603
Yacht, vacation houses and expensive coffee makers

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Concern with who?

EA kikes?

>>376573619
They felt for the cry engine meme.
Never listen to /v/

>>376573619
This is 3 times the budget of a 5 year mmorpg.

This is going too far now, even if it started out as a real game it's turned into a scam to make as much money as possible before shitting out an average game.

>>376578672
>No one has tested unfulfilled crowdfunds in court yet. There's no precedent.
You're stating all the right reasons but come to a completely wrong conclusion. No legal action will be taken precisely because there were not enough precedents. Court has no reason to acknowledge the validity or necessity of legal action and the chances that any particular case will be the first are always slim.

Any news on how much they have left and if their "donations" are steady enough for them to keep baiting people with half finished demos?

>>376575501
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blPpnnSOiwk [Remove]
wtf did i just watch

The budget of WoW was like 60 million USD. Just sayin'.

>>376596068
I believe it's edited from another legitimate interview

>>376596016
>hired most of cryengine staffers
>really extravagant studios
>high salary high number of employees
>no other sources of cash except SC fanboys

>>376595956
There still has to be a first one.

>>376596248

Better than the bioware method of cramming a bunch of unpaid interns with no idea how to even program into a room and expecting and AAA product

I've seen so many comments about PC master race shilling this game so hard. It was something like the ultimate console killer.

>>376596447
>Better
LOL

>>376596248
Looks like they didn't hire the good ones : Idtech 6 was made by ex cryengine dev, and it's one of the best engine with an amazing optimization right now.

>>376596248

There's an endless revenue stream of turbo autists who will gladly empty their savings accounts to fund this and attack any doubting thomas with the passion and intensity of a jihadist holy warrior.

>>376592812
>implying I want to own some hot garbage electric car

>>376596338
It will take a whole barrage of precedents and big ones too to convince the legal system to actually research this shit and work out the proper procedures for dealing with it. Right now any court would just wave the case off because, legally speaking, you still got your product, and that's before all the added kickstarter bullshit where you basically sign out of ever being entitled to even that much when you donate.

There is a solid chance that Scam Citizen will crack the ice, seeing how much money and attention they managed to amass, but there's little guarantee that they themselves will be the ones to feel the consequences.

>>376584961
I actually think the indie craze is even more cancerous. Outside of the obvious jewing AAA developers do the games would be looked at in a much more positive light if it weren't for that shit. I can't say the same for these thousands of shitty indie games every year. AAA at least has some form of standard it must continue to go by. With indies any dirty shmuck can come make a game and then call it art. Having thousands, even millions of retards eat it up if they know the right people giving the game the right reviews. Basically fuck indie developers.

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>>376582790
NMS release were great days on /v/, I can only hope Star Citizen causes an equal amount of damage control.

>>376597803
I'm pretty sure that's copypasta from Reddit, people were copying/screencapping all of their damage control.

>>376597984
Yeah, that was from Reddit, the "You are one, we are hundreds, thousands, millions" too.

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Scamcitizen is way past the point that I would ever expect a full and functioning game from there. It's become a tech demo to promote features that will never work together. The last time I logged into my account was in November and it still isn't even functional last I heard.

A smart person would have delivered the base single player game, then the MMO online portion later, then added the FPS portion even further down, maybe on Starcitizen 2. This pet project is a narcissist's dementia taken shape. Imagine if you gave Peter Molenueyx unlimited time and unlimited budget with no restraints to ever release a complete product and Scamcitizen is what you get.

Why does anyone even give a fuck
Certainly you did not spend money on this
So you can only win
Either the game is good, and you have a good game to play
Or the game is bad or will never be released, in which case you can look forward to many tortanic 2.0 circlejerk threads

>$150 million for a PC exclusive.
>Fail to deliver a proper game after 5 years.

yea guys, consoles are holding back gaming, i swear.

>>376575003
there is no game
that's the point

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>the point of making vidya is to make money
>you can now make money with only the promise of vidya

there's absolutely zero reason at all what so ever for them to follow through. they're not legally liable, they owe the consumer nothing, etc etc.

if I was a fat nerd video game developer I got millions of dollars for the 'promise' of a video game, I'd just keep saying 'yep it's coming soon' just like these fuckers are doing.

a fool and his money are easily parted

>>376576061
get the model x... best car i have

>>376596779

but I have a really cool game idea bro

>>376598693

Are you accounting for the fact though that we enjoy making games?

I've met a few developers purely in it for the money and they are utter twats. But the vast majority just do it cause they love it.

>>376598986
Yeah fuck the indie shitters seriously. They can go shove it with their faggy ideas.

the damage control of pcphats itt is adorable, im going to have field day when this game fails.

>>376599105
and in order of enjoy making games you need to make money

The cryengine is an unoptimized piece of shit, only good for a console war. Why would you use that to make an open world?

>>376599345

Yes and no, hobby game developers would be the exception to that. But for the most part yeah, I wouldn't be enjoying game dev if I was homeless. I gotta get paid yo.

Still... love what i do.

>>376599105
I mean, yeah I'm sure you do. But let's not forget the #1 reason for making video games is making sales and living your life.

>>376599260

Excuse me while I delete my indie game off steam and kill myself.

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it will never amount to anything more than a handful of buggy tech demos and they'l keep stringing their fans along with promises of more "epic" features until people realise what it really is

>>376599676

Well the #1 reason is fulfilling aspirations in life of making games.

And close in 2nd is get absurdly rich.

>>376599636
For every 1 Aonuma or Nomura or Hashimoto there are 100 Todd Howards

And by that I mean, there are people who make it to the point where they don't 'need' to make another video game ever in their life because they've already made enough money in the bank.

But the difference is dudes like Aonuma have that passion and want to make truly great games, whereas you have the Howards of the world who do it 'as their job' and once they hit that peak they promptly run out of fucks to give

>>376599795
That's really noble of you to say, but riddle me this. And look deep inside yourself.

If you were to make $100 million off one of your games that took blood and sweat and tears, would you sacrifice the same amount of life and limb to make the second game you make? Would you even make a second game?

That's what I'm talking about

>>376600137

Without a doubt yes I would, but the game I make would be different. It would be bold, and be exactly the game I want to make, without as much concern of potential sales.

From my understanding thats not unlike Star Citizens inception.

>>376599894

Can't argue with that honestly. My experience is purely indie... so I can't talk for people like Todd.

But I totally agree with you there

>>376600137
Rockstar alone destroys this argument

>>376600781
My man. If you weren't fucking retarded you'd understand that I'm completely aware of that.

My point is Rockstar is the exception, not the rule.

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>Star Citizen will fail says increasingly nervous man for the umpteenth time this year

NYT is Fake News though

I seriously hope they get away with this. Since it will be a mainstream case maybe people will realize crowdfunding is a scam and they're not entitled to anything regardless of how much they give.

>>376573619
I've only paid 130$ to this, its all cool and dandy but not a single cent more until I see results in 3.0.

>>376601518

>"Star Citizen will be released this year" says increasingly brainwashed cultist for the 10th time this decade

>>376580129 >>
>>376578825

>>376573619
how could they do it?
gtaV cost $137 M for development and $128 M for marketing.
where did they piss all that money?

>>376602152
High Salaries all around, renting studio space in expensive fucking buildings in expensive locations, with no regard for tax benefit subsidies. All of this is where the money goes, and it's not sustainable. The problem comes with how much labor and time they've thrown out and scrapped over the development process. They've probably thrown away 3 whole big budget video games worth of man hours.

>>376602152
they pay their employees very well and boy howdy do they have a lot of them

>>376575003
I'll play the game when it gets a full release.

Imagine if you got 100 million+ on kickstarter.
You'd make a half-assed game that barely keeps to everything promised in the campagne so you don't get sued and run with the money.

>>376589750
>declare profit of 148 million
>pay taxes+tip
>profit
remember kids, al copone only got caught because he didnt tip the taxman

>YFW YOU DIDN'T FALL FOR SCAM CITIZEN

>>376590562
not many people these days are willing to go into colossal debt for a passion project

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>>376573619
>Now

>>376584041
> 10 minute walk equals 300 jumping jacks
WHAT WHO WHEN WHOWEAP

>>376603386
print yourself an "I am not retarded" certification.

>>376575501
Why does whatshisname look like he's legally retarded or on drugs all the time?

>>376589578
they fucked up motion capturing and most of it is unusable

>>376575003
what game

>>376604812
lol sauce?

>>376589524
Yes it does you dumb fuck

If you paid for the $30 pack back at the kikestarter you get everything

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>>376606341
>everything
which is nothing in case of SC

>>376606573
Epic bra

>>376606663
sorry about your buyer's remorse kid

I commend some skepticism, keeping things real and etc, but why does SC get more negative attention, cynicism and armchair developers talking shit about when corporations are going around raping the free world?

SC is a well oiled machine. It is, right now, sparse, empty, buggy, but what functions is promising. In the next few months, the playable game will more than triple in scope. And then it is a matter of scaling. This game is delivering, or promising too, a most definitive science fiction space faring experience. I want that. Clearly lots of people do. I bought the $45 package and I'm happy I did. People have paid a lot more to be disappointed by their games.

I say let the developers work, they answer to their constituency, not to sour grapers still playing, what space sim??? Be mad, but realize you solve nothing. SC gamers are quite secure in their purchase. I know I am.

>>376607289
so it's that bad huh

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THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM
Budget: $90 million USD
Development team: 80
Development time: 3 years

STAR CITIZEN
Budget: $150 million USD
Development team: 268 + outsourcing for animations, voice acting
Development time: 4 years
State: 3+ years remaining until release

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Hey Star Citizen fans, can you do me a favor?

Take a look at these images of procedurally generated planets and tell me which one was made by:

1) the 268 employee company with $150 million US dollars of funding, over the course of four years

2) the 58 year old Russian astronomer, over the course of six months, in his free time away from his job

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>>376607289
>SC gamers are quite secure in their purchase. I know I am.
*clicks every star citizen criticism thread* *writes paragraphs about how i definitely wasn't scammed, for sure*

>>376607710
How many additional years of modding and patching did Skyrim require in order to actually be interesting and fixed though?

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he warned you

>>376573619
Did anyone actually read the article.

>>376607895
You do that?

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>>376607914
The main difference here is that Skyrim was actually released.

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>>376608262
Answer the question you chucklefuck.

>>376573619
Anyone else want this game to fail for grand levels of drama?

>>376607914
Skyrim was 100% playable on release. The single largest bug which everyone on /v/ memed about was chickens reporting crimes.

>>376608489
It will be No Man's Sky but 20-30x larger of a problem. Imagine if everyone on /v/ invested in TORtanic when it flopped, how big of a shitstorm it would be.

Chris Roberts has probably spent millions hiring people to think about how to let people down easy about Star Citizen. It will probably not have a 'hard release' at all, much like DayZ, so that people realize it was a scam over time rather than all at once

>>376608501
Also dragons flying backwards and performance issues outta the ass.
Not sure what's his point though, that SC will also require several years of modding/patching afterwards?

>>376580495
yes it is. the game was doomed the moment they introduced first person shooting mechanics and didn't try to release it as a space sim first

>>376608616
The backwards dragons were caused by the first patch, actually; and the game runs well, better than the unoptimized shit that is Oblivion. The only game-breaking bug was Esbern's, and it was supposedly fixed by Bethesda.

>>376608615
Why isn't there a Dramatica article yet? There is already a lot of drama like that guy who ruined his marriage by paying tens of thousands on virtual ship pre-orders.

>>376608501
lol no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7trmEmI5Js&t=2s

>>376608616
>Not sure what's his point though, that SC will also require several years of modding/patching afterwards?
That Skyrim was garbage on release, and required years of additional work by Bethesda, and third party modders to make it into something even remotely worth touching.
Star Citizen is taking some time, but it'll probably be a lot more solid on release.

I didn't even buy SC. To compare the numbers between SC and Skyrim is a fucking joke though.

>>376608923
>years of additional work by Bethesda
They released like 4 patches in a couple of months and that was it. You have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about.

>>376589858
This was probably written by someone who hasn't grasped the concept of a physical activity, much less exercised.

>>376609040
>and third party modders
Your reading comprehension requires some significant improvement, Anon.

>>376603558
moving half your weight a large distance 300 times, and your other half of your weight a small distance a small amount 300 times.

Is equal to moving your legs for 10 minutes/a large amount of distance 600 times

>>376609112
It sold better on consoles which didn't even have modding support until very recently.

>>376607914
it's been 5.5 years and it's still not fixed or interesting so longer than star citizen for sure

>>376576012
Back to pol.

>>376608923
>That Skyrim was garbage on release, and required years of additional work by Bethesda, and third party modders to make it into something even remotely worth touching.
I love how shit-posters don't even try to make their shit believable anymore.

>>376584858
Are they even liable in that case? I bet scamstarter has tons of clauses and legal fuckery to prevent that.

Star Citizen was supposed to be released in 2014, and today 90% of the staff is artists working on new ships to sell to fund new ships to sell to fund new ships

When exactly will there be enough ships for the developers to make the actual game itself?

>>376573619
>now it's raising concerns

What the fuck, why? 3.0 is coming out in like 2 months. The time for concern was a year ago, or maybe after 3.0 depending on how it goes.

But right now at the moment the project looks better and more promising than usual.

>>376598354
>Certainly you did not spend money on this
Why do you assume things?

>MMO genre is dead or on life support until they stop pushing WoW copypastas
>Early access games or rushed ones turn out to be absolute garbage
>Devs have shown promising development footage and seem on the right track
Why are gamers so impatient twats? SC looks good so far and it'll be ready when they feel like it is, not when the community wants it to be.

>>376609885
There several studios. You can only throw so many developers (and there are a lot) at fps design, flight controls, ui, npcs, etc. The ship team keeps working on ships.

Have you kept up with subsumption 2.0 or the new oxygen systems? How about the interaction system that's finally complete?

>>376601518
>Increasingly nervous man for the umpteenth time this year says Star Citizen will fail says increasingly nervous man for the umpteenth time this year

>Fans
Pretty sure the majority of that comes from corporate investors now.

>>376575569
>Wonder what ever happened to that Kickstarter I backed
>Do some research and read up on it
>Some retarded internal drama
>Game was cancelled

This has happened to me I think 3 times now.

>>376610127
>Have you kept up with subsumption 2.0 or the new oxygen systems? How about the interaction system that's finally complete?

wow, at this rate they might release those features by 2020 and we'll get to have a breathing simulator, incredible. truly this is worth every penny of the $5000 i spent on pay-to-win ships that i will never get to uses

>>376573619
i remember trying the dogfighting and being completely underwhelmed, it was 15$ so i guess it didn't hurt as much for me considering those hilarious ship prices now.

>>376610347
>release those features by 2020
>never
It's already 2017 and half, waiting 3 more years isn't "never" nor that bad if they deliver.

>tfw my friend obsesses over this game buying $500 worth of shit and built a new rig and 3 monitors and hosted "demo" nights at his place and shills it on facebook 24/7
>Tell him not to get his hopes up because he also hyped up NMS
>"No man, this is totally different. You are just jaded!"

Why are people so dumb?

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>>376610594
>hosted "demo" nights at his place

>>376610594
>hosted "demo" nights
For whom? He must have been paid for that.

>>376579938
I'll bite. That anon may have used the wrong word. It's not a scam, because scam implies willful deception. Everyone who has spent thousands of dollars that us normal people value for things like food and transportation on fake spaceships have done so willingly and have defended that action in kind. Chris Roberts didn't break into anyone's house and empty their checking accounts, he just promised a space game and eager rich kids threw their debit cards at him.

A better way to describe this would be as a huge waste of money. Until I see evidence that Chris Roberts has done anything more than convince stupid people to give him money for nothing valuable, which is the cornerstone of western business practices, then I'll believe he's scamming. Until then enjoy spending thousands on fake spaceships while us working people gotta eat.

>>376610594
>Why are people so dumb?

Some people are in abusive relationships with video games. They tell themselves that it'll be different this time, the industry won't hurt them any more. Deep down they know Star Citizen is going to break their nose and leave them to fuck other people, but they're addicted to the fleeting hope that exists before that happens.

The forums and the videos they produce for this game are one of the funniest i've ever read and watched.

>>376578239
I'm not going to take sides on this, but, playing Devil's Advocate, I've had cars from other companies that the body paneling has cracked on.

>>376610757
His friends obviously. I never came of course but still.

>>376573619
If Starbound was anything to learn from, they'll just release the game, get an overwhelming number of positive reviews from god knows where, and the game will make them a lot more money than it already has as it stands right now.

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Wouldn't it be funny if this game came out and it was better than promised and ran really well.

>>376610816
Plus this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment

>>376610594
>You are just jaded!
if you've been playing video games for more than 8 years or so you're supposed to be jaded

>>376573619
It's not the first time it reaches MSM, it's not the first time people will still defending it, it's not the first time more will flock and throw money at it, it's not the first time some will sit back and laugh.

Nothing new here OP.

>>376610778
>Scam
>a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.

This fits perfectly for StarCitizen.

>>376610935
Demo nights (plural!) of a demo of the alpha of a game which doesn't have a release date yet?
Sounds like multi level marketing.

>>376611058
Fuck off grandpa.

>>376611019
About two years ago I might have agreed but now it's the idea people still think it could happen I find funnier.

https://youtu.be/QbDRDV5eKOY?t=9m1s

>>376591389
Don't that have about a 240 mile range which in America should be halved without any public charging stations? I mean in America, if for some reason circumstance has you living in California or Oregon, there are options other than shitty Tesla, fuck even the Fiat 500e is a better choice and you know what they say about Fiats.

>>376608157
You just did, that's his point. If you have to tell everyone all the time how secure you are, maybe you're not so secure.

>>376575003
Does everyone see this? How the game wasn't even mentioned and they're already in defense mode?

>>376584041
>precious hitscan faggotry
I thought cryengine did real projectiles?

Retards who throw their money away for hype spoiled game companies who now resort to this easy method to get money with low effort and manpower

same with DLC and Season Pass. If people pay for scams, more companies will copy these ways. hence why DLC are just normal and expected today.

retard consumers killed the video game industry

>>376613254
It does.
There are a lot of desync problems.

Guys, its the journey that matters. Not the destination. :)

>>376614267
Casey Hudson pls

>>376579210
>PC nigger faggot's ego tricks them into dumping all their money because of a reddit meme
Perfect summation of Star Citizen's marketing strategy.

>>376614725
Don't toss all pcbros with those cultist retards.
Dats rayciss.

>>376595509
youre pulling shit out your ass, theres no way any freelancer makes near that amount of dosh

>>376574905
>Implying the game will even release

>>376598693
If you think this dipshit is going to escape from this legally unscathed, you've got a rude awakening coming.

>>376590545
Tims is ass but it's fast and has a high caffeine content and also rollup, you know this.

>>376575117
Everybody wants to be a space captain, man. Firefly, Star Trek, Star Wars, Halo, etc... Chances are if you're human and have a pulse you've wanted to sit in a captain's chair and command someone to go to warp speed.

It's a damn shame that no game has come even close to capturing this feeling. The first game that does will be fucking HUGE, even without scamming kickstarter autismbux. All it will take is co-op multiplayer game that puts people on a bridge and seats them at different consoles that gives them different jobs and capabilities. Imagine a strange combination of Keep Talking And Nobody Explodes, railshooters, flight sims, and FTL.

>>376575003
>commentors
go back

>>376620126

But there are already several games that do exactly what you describe. Artemis, Pulsar, they're even making a licensed Star Trek VR game.

>>376573619
Funny thing leddit still defends this game and the dev for some unknown fucking reason

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>that one Kickstarter you backed for like $10 that's still trucking along 6 years later

>>376573619
>Tfw I paid 45 dollars and never touched the launcher since because the fucking launcher hogs ALL of your broadband during an update
At least it was dosh I earned for doing a schmucks homework. I've fucked up on worse.

>>376575003
There really isn't much to play tho. Right now it's a lackluster tech demo. And honestly most fans are probably gonna get burned out on the concept before it's even official released, assuming that ever even happens. It's a cool idea and they definitely have the means to do it but I very much doubt it's gonna end up being worth it. Nothing can be after this much hype.

>>376575003
What's that? I can't hear you because I'm currently in space, in a sim that's actually good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc58oG4eyqM