What are some games with developers that have no idea on how

Anything blizzard since the inception of their shitty company

Smite used to have good balance in season 1 and 2. It's probably shit now though.

>>376564394
Starcraft

>>376564309
Ass faggots and every variation.

>>376564394
fpbp

Valve in TF2 where they nerf EVERYTHING

>>376564739
Janus has been really good for a while and they haven't touch him and the community is mad cause jungle is an absolute clusterfuck for a while and still is.

>>376564309
Dunno, the panda can still heal and be extremelly annoying with her blinds, I see no issue here.
Tyrande having a cleanse on her spammable heal, now thats fucking bullshit.

>>376566239
>give sniper the ability to survive a quickscope
>completely passive ability, no skill involved
What were they thinking?

Sometimes I think Riot fucks up balancing on purpose.

>>376564309
HotS is actually decently balanced

>li li poster
Oh I get it, a butthurt waifufag

Tribes

>>376566582
Well they're fucking over tyrande something fierce on the PTR, so both more evidence blizzard is dumb and getting rid of your issue

>>376566792
>HotS is actually decently balanced
You're probably retarded if you believe this

>>376567226
Ok boyo enlighten me because you know so much about this game

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LOL?

>>376564394
This. How can such a large successful company be so notoriously bad at balancing games?

>>376567507
its impossible to have a 100% balanced game unless every character is the same

>>376567409
>hots matches taking more than 20min

>>376567409
...is this funny? or am i missing something?

>>376567507
Because half their player base is rabid fanboys and the other half is retarded.

>>376567409
>an hour
Please, you either stomp by 15, or get stomped by 15. And if you actually have an even match? (lol, yeah right) then all the maps have their own little timers so someone HAS to win by 30. That's the best part of HotS, realizing you only have to play for 10 more mins before your eventual loss.

>>376567409
Why would people lie like this?

>>376567507
Because they ignore feedback. Look at the disaster of hearthstone, grim patron ruled the game for a VERY long time and there excuse was "well pros aren't playing it in every tourney so it's not a problem" when the decks pros would play were favorable match ups against it.

I remember some guy did like 90+ damage in one turn in a pro game until they finally did SOMETHING about it after literal months of community complaints and even after then they have this autistic splurge about "Not wanting to change the identity of our cards"

It happens everytime too, look at how busted secret paladin was and then pirates later on. They think their game is a TCG when other online CGs are smart enough to just idk balance shit because it's not a paper and print game.

>>376568328
Because 'eh I don't like moba(s)' isn't funny, and comically overstating issues is 'funny'.

>>376566789
It's extremely apparent that they release champs in a state where they obviously do more overall damage with their spells than everyone else so they can pressure players into paying for them. And all the cheapest characters are the weakest, yet somehow end up on the free rotation more than the expensive ones.

I actually quit league over this blatant profiteering.

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>>376567409
>remove one aspect from a game
>it becomes ten times better
What's her name /v/?

>>376568365
This happens in all games tho.
League has a lot or had a lot of really shitty overpowered items+character issues and paid no mind until some pro picks them on a match and completely curbstomp everyone. ie: Veigar had a point and click stun which was fucking huge and had magic power scale last hitting shit with his point and click Q.
And Doto with their famous "fountain hook" which no one gave a shit about until someone picked it on worlds.
Not defending blizz shit-tier balancing but saying that only them do this kind of stupid shit is not true.

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>>376568775
Okay normally I hate /v/ edits, but I felt compelled to make this one.

>>376566789
They do.

>Said they would nerf Poppy into the ground if a pro player even considered picking her even if it was a joke
>Elise dumpstered
>Eve dumpstered
>Sej dumpstered
>Mord Dumpstered
>Malhz is getting dumpstered
>Kali dumpstered

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>>376569609
>tfw still remember how the completely destroyed sej with that fucking cinderhulk nerf

>>376569702
>nerf cinderhulk
>nerf sejuani the next patch even though her winrate dropped by 10%
I love Riot Game.

>>376567409
>an hour
Is than even possible in HotS?
Longest game I ever had was 35 minutes

Pokémon without a doubt.

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>>376567409
>but it did take us an hour to lose
Uh, what?

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L4D was hilariously tilted in favor of the survivors, assuming they knew what they were doing.
L4D2 was arguably worse.

>>376570779
Getting rid of the Health Kit bonus ruined PvP in L4D2. It literally became Rush for Dead.

>>376564394
Let me explain once more how Blizzard work on their balancing.
If you actually balance out every characters,
you will be left with a stale meta where people will eventually get bored of the game for playing the same.

But if we uses Blizzard's balancing,
there will be a new meta for every patch,
though the choices for which character to shine is questioning.
but nonetheless the players will have to relearn the game to some extend hence prolonging the game's playtime.
while also make the game stay fresh for a little more.

>>376569962
So why do I keep crawling back to them like a beaten wife?

>>376568657
do you mean the comic? or HotS? because the most that a game can last is 30 minutes and that is a rara case.

>>376564394
Overwatch is a prime example of this

>>376567409
Well it wasn't an hour but it did actually take 45 minutes for us to lose (with me and a rando i added throwing) on the map with the bells and altars that show up every few minutes.

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I'm convinced this man made Raymoo and Marisa imba as hell on purpose in Phantasmagoria of Flower View.

>>376571331
You'd make your waifu powerful too, wouldn't you?

>>376571314
I guess that there where also people trying to lose on the other team, because I've been playing HotS since alpha and I believe I only have had 3 to 5 games lasting 35 minutes and those where really even matches,

What game actually has GOOD balancing, that's the million dollar question.

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>>376567409
>HotS matches taking an hour
>Making objectives sound hard and complicated
sugoi ne

>>376571456
They were really good at pretending to try not to lose then, as they always seemed to be actually playing. Me and the other dude just ran around in circles and hit a button every now and then.

The other like 10 games did take around 15 minutes, though. I could possibly see why people would play this but it seems like if you're losing you can either try and resist for half an hour or just let it happen and actually finish the thing.
Apparently other mobas are even worse than this in that regard, which is shocking but also not incredibly surprising knowing how bad the genre itself is

>>376571639
" Go "

>>376571639
Probably Dota? I'll still never touch that game because of how frustrating as fuck it is to play it.

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>>376571821
>10 bans
>TI3 Batrider
>TI4 Lycan
Nope

>>376571821
>Probably Dota?
Not in a million years.

>>376571639
There is a pretty good arguement for Dota. There have been few patches with very questionable decisions but unlike Blizzard whenever I read the patch notes I can almost always at least tell wha

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>>376571639
Brood War

>>376566792
>HotS is actually decently balanced
>Lucio is autobanned literally every draft I play
>If Cromie isn't banned she utterly dominates the game
>Asmodan will utterly destroy everything you own if you don't keep him in check with a tank AND a support or assassin
>Heros that focus on steady damage with basic attacks are damn near useless and blown out the of the water from literally anyone with abilities that hit from outside basic attack range

Fuck man that's just off the top of my head

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>>376567409
>every hots map has one basic objective
>try to cram all of them into one supposed scenario
>throw in a bunch of wacky terms like sky-coins and DJ Bone Dragon just in case the first bit missed the mark

this is a pretty tryhard attempt at humor and it just makes it less funny

>>376564309
How new are you?

It's widely recognized that Blizzard in general have basically zero understanding of their own game, for every game they develop.

>>376566792
>HotS is actually decently balanced
Win rates say otherwise

>>376572457
The ability damage creep is insane. No wonder they can't release a character these days without an invincibility button or hyper mobility.

Has there been a single HoMM game without serious balance issues?

>>376571196
From memory I'd say most matches end somewhere between 20 and 25 minutes, with longer matches being 30 minutes or above. Been a while since I played though. Didn't seem to change much with the scaling changes either.

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>>376572457
>If Cromie isn't banned she utterly dominates the game
holy fuck how bronze are you. chromie blows

>>376571639
Rock paper scissors

Why does literally every objective only map in HotS suck such shit? The fucking payload map is fucking worthless as the early game is pointless. All that maters is the final few fights. Defending offers little to no reward because the delay you gain is almost immediately made up the second they get a second payload. The Gravekeeper vs Ravenlord map is fucking annoying as well but slightly less so. Attacking is half way to pointless as you only really gain an advantage if you are already winning. Its a win more bonus as I've had games where we consistently held one of their bells and they still won from good delay and sneak tactics. The shrines also take fucking forever to respawn so your sitting there doing fuck all with neither side committing anything because losing just one member will fucking ruin you basically handing over the next shrines if you do.

They need to make it so attacking the core is ALWAYS an option. Make is hard as you want but always make it an option.

>>376564309
ADVANCE WARS, HOLY SHIT

>>376571639
Dota, had its history of broken shit but nowadays almost everything goes

>>376573014
>Early fights matter
omg snowball shit 0/10 impossible to come back instasurrender garbage
>Early fights don't matter
omg pointless objectives just group at end and win noobskill game 0/10

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>>376572987
I'm gold level 3. Cromie can burst damage heros for half their fucking health or more with no warning most of the time from outside your vision range. Literaly every game I play against a Cromie my whole team is bitching and whining that we should of banned her.

>>376573107
This is exactly why I think the best model for a MOBA-style game should be round-based. Instead of having a continuous 30 minute match with carried-over progression, you should have a series of short, 5-minute “brawls” where the winner is decided via best of 5.

As for what happens after a round, I think there are multiple viable models. Either you could carry over everything but reset the positions (e.g. like bombing run in UT), or you could use a CS-style model where you need to re-buy items before each round, or you could do the manly thing and reset everything.

>>376573176
You remind me of the “omg nova so OP pls nerf” crowd. Not surprising they found some other shit hero to blame all their losses on

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Monster Hunter, apparently.

>>376573174
some friend of mine gave me a month of sub and i played for like a few days and i don't remember what anything is so I'm probably just not going to do anything with it

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Smash 4 nearly fits on what you're talking about
>nerf good characters next patch
>cucks any mediocre characters like Zelda and Samus

>>376573176
map awareness much? if chromie is not in the map, ypu play with caution

Give me the rundown on Tyrandes rework. Why are people saying she's godlike now?

>>376571671
Dan is a hack

>Enjoying Johanna when I have a team that's actually doing damage and not dying like animals
>Fall behind a level
>Smack people with my wet noodle flail and do absolutely nothing of substance

I want to enjoy her, but I can't even fight supports for fuck's sake, it's so annoying

>>376567409
>took an hour to lose
Don't lie faggot you threw games for the skin

>>376573782
>Playing with friends
>Uh, you know the GL is one of the worst weapons right now right?
N-nice roman...

>>376573913
Level 20 starfall applies her trait to everyone inside of it including the bonus armor reduction you get from your talents and her level 4 talent lets her purge stuns from people she heals + a free heal afterwards.

I haven't played her yet but I don't know if she's really going to be much of a support, probably something more like Lili or Kharazim who are mostly damage characters who can heal a little bit. Now that she doesn't heal herself automatically but needs to be auto-attacking to heal it's become way more risky to focus on supporting other people over yourself.

>>376567409
>most dumbed down moba with short as fuck match times
>entire joke is that its complicated and lasted forever

i dont get it

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post moar Lili

>>376573682
Nova is easy as fuck to see though? All the "Stealth" hero are you can very clearly see the shimmer and her double doesn't act like a fucking Nova being played by a human. Nova can confirm kills like a god but she is easy to shut down and most run away like a bitch when you use an ability at them when they are stealthed.

>>376573910
That only goes so far. She can also do it when you can clearly see her. She soften up any hero the other team wants to kill I've seen so many supports lose half their health then an assassin immediately jump in and finish them off. From that moment on the team has to automatically assume their support is no longer reliable and it will always be a 5v4 matchup. This is even worse on maps with objectives.

>>376567409
>No joke
It's basically a Buckley comic wthout the B^U faces

>>376564309
>Lili
>Mediocre
>more dmg then half the damage dealers on top of best blind in game and Decent heals
No you waifu faggot

Rookie question but what do I do if I see the shimmer from a stealth hero but don't have a cc or an aoe ability?

>>376573782
they don't care whats going on as long as GS is on top
its the only reason CB got fucked so hard

>>376572457
>>If Cromie isn't banned she utterly dominates the game
How's bronze treating you like holy shit complaning about Chorime nigger what

>>376571639
While the game has a lot of issues compared to previous titles SFV has a lot of different viable characters.

>>376574575
ping danger and hope someone gets what you're saying

>>376574575
Ping and follow them around

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>>376574173
The bit that baffles me the most about the GL is that the shelling damage still scales on an arbitrary 'shell level' instead of something else, and so what is essentially complimentary damage just falls off sharper than anything else in the game.

With it still also being potentially quite disruptive in multiplayer and barely getting anything to help with the monster speed creep, it just seems neglected as fuck. So is the HH with its own mechanical flaws (why pick a horn without attack songs?), but +20% attack for the party is just really good.

>>376574592
GS isn't even on top now, though. It's still a great weapon, but I still believe Lance, SA, and the ever-consistent HBG are among the top picks with Brave style pushing LS up there too. But yes, CB did get fucked hard.

>>376571004
Just no. Dota 2 Balances and has new metas without being retarded like Blizzard.

>>376564309
Why is Li-Li angry at me? How do I make her happy again? I like my Lil-Lis to be happy.

>>376574881
how good is meme glaive? I haven't actually even played gen yet because of shit

>>376573174
>implying that isn't perfectly balanced to get you to buy more keys goy

>>376564309
Planetside 2

https://forums.daybreakgames.com/ps2/index.php?threads/pts-update-04-18.245553/

>When it comes to tank versus tank combat, AP tank cannons are the only real choice as they do significantly more damage than HEAT or HE. No tank should immediately feel at a severe disadvantage in a tank battle because they chose a different primary weapon.

>We’re addressing this by reducing the TTK variance; HEAT and HE damage per second is being increased and will have nearly the same TTK as their AP counterpart.

That's right, anti-infantry guns now do equal damage to vehicles as anti-vehicle guns. What could go wrong?

>>376576459
those guys are absolutely retarded, I'm surprised people still give a shit

>>376576459
>anti-infantry guns now do equal damage to vehicles as anti-vehicle guns
Absolutely balanced