What's the grindiest game you've played?

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I enjoyed it back then. Not anymore.

>>376561685
Dragon quest 1

The old MapleStory.

>>376561685
Runescape.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

>>376561685

I think this really depends on how anal you are about it. Whether or not you force yourself to grind, or the game itself does. Most games don't require much grinding to make it from Point A to Point B.

I remember spending hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours on FFX because for some retarded reasons I felt the need to organize the entire sphere grid which involved an illogical amount of grinding and farming of materials to remake 200 sphere slots for every character.

Or, like, Civilization V has about 1500 hours worth of achievements.

>>376563387
That game isn't nearly as bad as korean grinders, the average player can get most of what they need with quests.

FF11. It took me 4 years to get to max level.

>>376561685
Your mom's ass

>>376565432
Dude nice ha ha

Real life

most people don't think it's that bad because you're guaranteed to level up even if you do nothing other than not dying, but the real grind is in the resource and relationship subsystems

I spent 4 years grinding for a diploma drop at the Steps of Learning just so I could get a small boost to the currency drop rate, but in doing so I got the student loan debuff and removing it is so expensive that I won't be able to make a profit before another 10 years are up, and that's if I only focused all my game time on the office politics minigame that I don't even have the proper spec for

I swear, the only reason I play this game is for the interactive sex scenes...

...I hear they're really good.

>>376561685
Are we talking about MMOs specifically or jrpgs?

Flyff

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>>376561685
>>376564586
03-06 FFXI was pretty brutal, even after they lowered the exp needed to 75. ToAU was a god send. Being able to get 10k XP an hour at Colibri camps was amazing.

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On the bright side, playing this as a boy made the grind in other games much more acceptable to me.

Eschalon Books. Leveling up takes ages

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>>376561685

Persona Q. Dropped that shit during the 3rd dungeon.

tie between old maplestory and warframe

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dude, running around an obstacle course a bajillion times, lmao

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If the grinding in a game is mindless and risk free, is it justifiable to use an exp modifier?

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>>376566812

Black desert online

Non mmos darkest dungeon.

>>376566982
fucking warframe
the entire game is grinding
literally, not figuratively

>grind to get equipment
>grind to get skills
>grind to get money to get equipment or skills
>grind to get access to better places to grind

Skate 2

:v)

Aion going free, that shit is imposible without ptw

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>>376566983
i have this cape on osrs.

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>>376561784

That on official servers.

>>376566530
nice meme

>>376567373
Yeah, warframe it is. Their fucking business model is built around the player loosing their patience and buying stuff.

Torchlight 2
Diablo 3
Pokemon Emerald

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>>376561685
Disgaea

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>>376561685
BEING YOUR FATHER.

>>376568951
disgaea is literally nothing compared to the average mmo

>>376563387
Whatever senpai I grinded to level 143 on 9dragons before I realized I was wasting my life watching ok looking animations for hours on end. I probably put in about 1.8k hours into that korean grindfest and I regret every moment of it. Runescape at least has interesting quests and a sense of progression

>>376561685

Korean point and click mmos.

monster hunter, fuck the plates rubies and mantles

World of Warships. Dropped it like a hot potatoe when I realised that I was literally forcing myself to play daily to unlock shit in the game. What a huge waste of time.

At least it was fun in the beginning.

Is there any actual JRPG that comes close to the level of grinding the grindiest MMOs have?

I don't think even those really old ones are grindy enough, I mean, I don't think even a really fucking long JRPG would take more than 2 weeks of nonstop playing to get literally everything.

>>376567105
People would argue that it cheapens the efforts and achievements of those who did it legitimately.

Fuck those guys. Fuck them. No, you shouldn't get a medal because you pushed the mine button 15 billion times and got the Maxed Mining Level Achievement.

>>376567373
>Real time waiting for equipment to be made
I stopped playing on the second day to wait for something, never picked the game up again

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>>376561685
I was they had made 2007 scape but with 2012scapes xp systems.

I still grind in war thunder.

Its sorta my go to game nowadays to waste time.
Its still fun for me as I still love a good dogfight.
But I guess its not really grinding at this point unless its a vehicle I really want to play. I mostly play in tier 2 or 3 where its fun.

From what I've seen, Maplestory level 200+
From what I've played, Warframe and Black Desert.
BDO had some ridiculous shit, I don't know if I'm doing it wrong but some main story quests have you talk to a high political figure, but you can only talk to them if you've gained a certain amount of amity (friendship points) with his lessers; I need 500 amity with 2 people, I get 3-10 amity per "mini-game", which wastes 3 energy per time. I can't do it, it's so boring.
MMOs aside, any fighting game that isn't an easy cookie cutter. I'm pretty novice to fighting games, but I've seen a lot of people just grinding a combo or two on training mode or just practicing a lot.

Lineage II

The fucking quests to first class change, let alone the 3 long as fuck quests to the second class change.

And that even counting that took longer if your gear was shitty, which was 90% of the time.

>>376563387

Elona or Wurm.

Runescape was grind, but wurm was easily the grindiest.

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>>376561685
I was a fool to think that the Allods devs could redeem themselves

>>376569217
It was Gore Magala gems for me solely that the fucking G-rank was guild quest that evolved into chaotic or that one shot dlc quest Gore in Sanctuary.

>>376561685
Oldschool runescape.

>>376563924
lol u said anal

>>376563387
Runescape is a grinding simulator but getting far doesnt take as long as other MMOs, especially korean ones. Just think about how most of us saw a lot of the endgame content as kids, if it was one of those MMOs we would had just seen the tip of the iceberg with how much fucking grinding they need.

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>>376561685

Pic

Most infuriating grind ever. People who finished DW2 were laughing when Dark Souls came out and people were saying it's hard

Grinding in games is not gameplay.

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Vanilla WoW.

It's literally just non-stop grinding that takes fucking forever because at most you can take 2 mobs at once (which will take you down to incredibly low health)

At least Asian MMO's let you fucking take on entire groups of mobs at once. Vanilla WoW was almost every time, kill 2 mobs, sit down, eat food/drink to replenish health, mana etc etc.

It's why Vanilla wow was such a fucking time sink.

Doesn't help there are like only really 2 a handful of enemy times.

Hitty enemy that does poison
Hitty enemy that does bleed.
Shooty enemy that does ice
Shooty enemy that does fire
Shooty enemy that does curse.

>>376570024
yeah i only got my first jet after 200+ hours of playing. i mostly just ignore the meta-game stuff and use the same tier 3 planes that i've maxed out by now, found it way more fun than the grind treadmill

>>376571150
tfw you see a quest marker that leads to a kobold cave

>>376568564

>slayer helm with void

???????

>>376571046
Yes it is. It's just doing the same gameplay over and over again.

RFO

>>376561685
Granblue

>>376566530
>real life is a vidya gaem xD
>>>>reddit

>>376571381
void bottom gives bis magic defense, using d'hide top as well

besides the obvious ones everyone already said, recettear

>>376571573
>implying your dreams aren't actually loading screens for the next day

Star wars galaxies

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>>376571652
The one game where I want the loading screen to never end desu

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>>376566812

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2184, couldnt even make it. RIP

>>376561685
Pre BB Maplestory

>>376571652
>Dreams are the post loading screen cutscenes before the gameplay starts

>>376571035
>Grind fucking 30 times for the mon you want
>LMAO BOOBY TRAPS LMAO

Was almost done with the game and went on deployment and never finished it. Will never touch again. Just thinking about the grinding destroys any hope for re install

>>376561685
Monster Hunter. I used too many whetstones.

>>376561685
Ragnarok Online. That game was a slog even on private servers with 5x XP rates.

Lineage II, at least when I played it. It was absolutely infested with bots and I made all my money by running monster trains onto them and stealing their equipment. The patch that stopped items from being dropped on death made me quit, actually.

>>376570449
I just didn't understand what there was to do in this game
>Ok here's your first 3 boring ass classes, now grind 3 million credits to get an actual good one

>>376561685
any korean mmo
not just any korean mmo
subpar korean mmo's

>>376561784
Only reason I don't enjoy the game anymore is because Renewal
And the only way to play without renewal is on shitty dramaland private servers.

>>376571150
You sweet summer child.

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>>376561685
This shit is 100% grinding

>>376570449
>Free-to-play MMORPG
Every. Single. Time.

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I remember this being really slow to level, but it was years ago.

>>376561685
Monster Hunter

>>376566530

kiss urself

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You don't know SHIT about grinding until you have played ginormo sword.
I lost like a government experiment to see how much people grind or something

>>376561685
RO (before renewal)
Flyff (during gpotato time)
Atlantica Online (during ndoor time)
Dofus (during beta and soon after launch)
Black Desert Online (from release to now)


>>376571150
>grindfest
>wow
This is a game where you're max level with all top armor in less than a week. Grindfest imply you reach a point you have to grind at least 1 month to get 1 level.

>>376561685
runescape.

I'm playing lotro right now and the grind is insane. Like many other f2p MMOs, the business model is based on reducing grind. Lotro takes it one step further by selling important character upgrades in their store though.

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Elite Dangerous.
Not because it has the longest grind, but because it has the most mindless one. 90% of the time in game isn't even spent left clicking on stuff like in korean mmos, it's just spent staring at a dot on your screen in FTL. Or loading into the next system.
And the remaining 10% is just bland or more busywork.

>>376571907
Hahaha I know the feel bro
I did reinstall it thinking I would kick its arse if I played it now as an adult.

>Oh that's a nice Digimon you spent 30 hours training. Oops sorry, he's worthless, marry him off with a similar trained Digimon and get a level 1 rookie and start over again

>Oh you managed to get through 14 floors of a level? Here have a mine the game still didn't give you a missle to destroy

>Oh you bypassed that mine on your second try somehow? Too bad you ran out of battery, see you in 12 hours..

I have no idea how I put up with this shit as a kid.

[Spoiler] Still my favorite game ever made [/spoiler]

FlyFF

>>376572108
>>376570449

I actually persevered long enough to unlock monk and then quit like the next day. Damn shame because if I remember this game had a booty slider and you could make a muscular athletic chick

>>376570207
Fuck that game. I was a retarded kid and spent most of the time on there socializing looking for a gf, but I only got to level 19 after playing for almost a year.

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>>376571907

Just wait until you get to the

>Dude 99 floors lmao

The frustration just becomes funny at that point

>>376572726
>This is a game where you're max level with all top armor in less than a week. Grindfest imply you reach a point you have to grind at least 1 month to get 1 level.
t. never raided MC

>>376573768
ill raid your MC

>>376563387
You are but a little baby, play Archeage.

>>376561685
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater.

what's a good free mmo in the market right now?

>>376573768
Different guy, but buddy if you didn't play some Korean grinders and classic MMOs, you don't know what a grind is.

What was one of the actual worst grinds in WoW, the Frostsaber mount? Absolute dick compared to most Korean grinders.

>>376561685
All MMO's.

>>376570871
-_-

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>>376561685

Resonance of Fate

fuck that shitty ass game

>>376572726
these

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>>376566812
>came here to post this
>duplicate file exists

beat me to it asshole

>>376572667
I 100% Ginormo Sword once. Bestiary and all.

Took like a week or two if I recall correctly.

>>376572917
I'm so glad I abused the fuck out of Sothis and 17 Draconis to buy all the huge ships before shit got nerfed. Gave me a reason to never go back to that shitheap.

I was thinking runescape because of how many skills you can level up, but I started an 2007 account a few days ago and it is going much faster than I remembered.

A lot of people here are saying Maplestory and it is all coming back to me now. It took forever to get to level 30. I remember grinding endlessly and doing the lvl 25-30 ish PQ in that thief town. I even had a piece of paper to write down names of common leaders and whois them to find their channel/location.

grinding for a Jedi in SW:Galaxies

so much work and then some random teras kasi fencer faggot doing flips wrecks your shit with zero effort

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>>376571652
Thanks anon. Finally found something to replace my default home screen.

>>376569902
I wish they had made 2017scape but with 2008's models and textures, 2011's grind, and no mtx

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MapleStory

>>376574454
>create a stacked, scorchingly hot chick
>find out there's a class that lets me run around naked, and be kickass doing it
>find out later on that my dick led me into the Jedi killer class
>wrecking Jedi every time they show up, and look stunning doing it

FFXIII before the easy mode patch. People talk about artificial difficulty but holy shit got damn the like 80% of the game you could mash your way through then boom they turn the fuckery up by 1000. Its not even about being good or not. If you weren't already overpowered which most people had no reason to be then you were forced to grind2win

>>376561685
This reminds me.
How is Tera now anyways? I remember having a bit of fun when it first came out

>>376574653
>find out there's a class that lets me run around naked, and be kickass doing it
I refuse to believe this is true

>>376573768
The reason WoW was made (other than to make cash) was to have a MMO where you don't need to grind countless hours to become maxed.

Which completely defeated the point since people get maxed in very little time and then had nothing else to do.
This is why "end game" was invented.

>>376574721
Yes, exactly; you needed to grind dailies, reputation and resistances instead

I remember being petty as shit in maplestory. Some guy defamed me and then logged off like a pussy. I saved that fuckers name and would check if he was online every time I got on. I don't remember how long I waited, but when he got back on I negged him.

There is a good lesson to learn here.

>>376563924
>hundreds and hundreds of hours
I have hundreds and hundreds of days on each of three different MMOs

>>376574714
Teras Kasi artists were the "monk" class. They were all about running around naked or in plain clothes and punching shit to death. And they just so happened to be the Anti-Jedi.

>>376574721
>>376574785
Oh and then do the same raids over and over again for weeks and weeks on end before getting any items, because you will get 1-2 item drops per boss for a raid of 40 people.

I have no patience for true grind but I got into Bl2 heavily.

>>376574709
Same shit as always. Bad performance even on powerful machines, same fetch quests, same combat.

>>376564331
>>376569157
>>376570283
>>376571007
>>376573931
t. Faggots who have never leveled a skill over 80.

>>376574839
But that's nothing compared to grinding 2 weeks to get 1% exp and lose it because you died because a GM decided to spawn a million bosses in town while you were afk thinking you're safe.

>>376574281
this picture is amazing thank you

>>376572726
>Dofus (during beta and soon after launch)
I'm sure it's faster now with the new areas and challenges but at the time you could get maybe 1m xp/hour max, and level 200 was 5.5b xp. I don't know how anyone did it.

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>>376561685
the extremely low drop rate %'s are haunting me already. looking at you parasitic gene flow

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>>376561685
Warframe
>to get the experience for the new mastery rank you need to level up things you've never used before
>grind resourses to build stuff, a lot of the newer stuff has the inflated resourse costs for no reason
>build stuff and wait until it gets done like it's a fucking mobile freemium game, 12 hours for weapons, 3 days for warframes
>level the weapon/frame up
>you need a catalyst/reactor to make the weapon/frame usable because the weapon and frame mod system is retarded
>the catalysts and reactors cost 20 platinum and you need to grind for shit to sell to other players to get it
>you need to grind for mods also
>every time you install a mod polarity with a forma into a weapon or a frame it resets so you have to level it up again, some weapons need up to 6 formas to make them work, meaning that you have to level them up 7 times
>in fact every forma builds for 24 hours so you either have to rush it or wait for a day until it gets ready
>frame and weapon parts have random drop rates so you have to waste 30 minutes min to have a 4% chance to get the part you need
Literally Skinner box.

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>>376575045
you're welcome senpai

>>376572917
This x1000

>>376575417
I'm so glad I dropped that shit around update 6 or 7. That rhythm warframe seems neat though.

>>376574993
>grinding 2 weeks to get 1% exp
Name 35 games that did this

even RO was not this insane, you could get 1% XP in an afternoon easily unless you were literally not trying; even faster with help.

>hard mode: no multi-player games
Which single-player game was the grindiest?

The worst grind has to be Runescape if you want to hit 99 in everything. The flipside is that 93 is the mid-way point in terms of exp which is like 6.8m out of 13.6m required to hit 99 and on top of that you unlocked most things by that point. Some skills weren't bad where you could get 200k exp an hour but then you had shit like Runecrafting which was like 40-50k at best and you couldn't even afk.

I'd have to nominate FFXIV for the most pointless grind required. Want to access the newest expansion Heavenward? You have to go through 80 hours of mainstory quest bullshit even if you skip every cutscene and do everything as fast as possible. Want to access the upcoming expansion? Well that's probably 140 hours or so. What's worse is that classes are hidden behind certain quests so if you want to roll Machinist, Astrologist, or Dark Knight you have to do that stupid 80 hr grind. To make things worse the best way to level up is doing Palace of the Dead which is praying you don't get grouped with complete idiots, have a lot of AoE, and absurdly repetitive laced with RNG via traps on the floor and chests. Gotta say, FFXIV has the absolute worst leveling experience out of every major mmo.

>>376575694
I maxed in Runescape when it was still grindy
It's not that bad

>>376575587
Tibia

Dragon's Crown.

>>376575692
From recent memory I only really remember grinding in Dragon Age: Inquisition, which was basically a single-player MMO anyway because that's what it was originally meant to be.

Then I got burnt out on the grind and stopped playing halfway through. Needless to say, I didn't end up buying it.

>>376575874
>Spending 20-60 hours to hit 99 in skills that become increasingly less useful the higher level you are and are leveled in absurdly reptitive methods
The only way you can say "it's not that bad" is because there were a few afkish methods to level skills but some skills were complete cancer such as RC, mining, and slayer. It's a complete joke now but Runescape does not have an enjoyable grinding experience which is why everything is pretty much afk now.

NexusTK
It's an old Korea MMO. Literal endless grind. Leveling up to max level is just the tutorial. After that, you sell exp for stats. There are various stat goals set up where you can get new skills, but for the most part, you just grind for the sake of grinding. Luckily, the grind is mostly comfy.

>>376575301
stupid fucking psycho wand fuck you

>>376576082
I mean it's not bad in terms of hours required compared to other mmos

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I think the expansions went up to level 220 or 230

every MMO I've played since then has basically been easymode in terms of grinding / leveling up

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>>376575883
what happened with that guy who reached level 999? did he ever reveal what was in that level locked room?

>>376577347
>did he ever reveal what was in that level locked room?
poop, lots of poop

>>376567584
i liked the joke

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>>376561685
My pic,The Matrix Online,Universal Century Online,Ragnarok Online, Everquest...

Just yer fuckin' pick nigguh. In the eras that these games flourished you couldn't even sell something without your Bartering level(Read: Bullshit level) being high enough. It's wonderful that this sort of shit is dead.

>>376561685
Grindframe

runescape's late game stuff is unplayable without bots grinding

>>376561685
Any MMORPG

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>>376561685
Mother 1.
Whenever I wasn't grinding I got underleveled and foes beat me easily.

>>376578478

I bet you loved the NGE you cuck

Priston Tale

>>376574925
this

>>376561685
I remember Silkroad online quests being "kill 300 of those mobs" and I finished them as well

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>>376575874
>it's not that bad

>>376561685
cookie clicker

Star Trek Online

The purely bullshit dilithium limit each day is the worst. You literally have to make alt characters just so you can refine more than 8k a day and then use an exploit to transfer it to your character of choice. If you don't you'll be grinding for 6 months

>>376571035
>Game has an timer to check how long you been playing
>It caps at 99:99
>You arent even in the middle of the game
>Have to level 2 new mons a lot and sacrifice them to increase the level limit by 2-3 levels

That fucking game. I dont know if i would have done it without 8x speed emulation.

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>>376575301
>mfw I didn't find out your fucking NAME determined your drop tables until later

>>376579021
All i remember of that game was night were spooky

>>376563387
I didn't play it, so your argument is invalid
Checkm8

>>376576434
It's not terrible though, getting a group and you can blaze through levels especially if you get an Nanotechnician at Borgs. You also have dailies now which pretty much give you a free level until like 125 each day and even then it just stops being a guaranteed 100% level but instead slowly tapers down from 100%.

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>>376561685
Literally every aspect of this autistic chuuni football RPG for children is filled with grinding.
Need to grind friendship points to recruit characters to recruit the characters I actually want. Then I need to grind the item drops that unlock said characters. Once I have the characters I need to grind their levels and teir techniques, all of which require focus on each of the 16 teammates that form a team. Not only that, I need to make sure I'm grinding their fighting spirit so that it doesn't suck. Then I also need to grind whoever I'm going to use as their miximax aura. That includes the above steps of training their moves and spirits. Then once they're all max level I need to grind all 32 characters in the stats I want them to excel in.

Holy fucking shit Level-5.

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>>376564586
>>376566696
I'd say the hardest part about grinding in FFXI and what made it so brutal was the fact that leveling was entirely party based
Hell, the entire game was party based
there were only a few classes that could level solo, and even then it was slower than if you were in a party (poor DRG)

Following up on that, nothing hurt more than looking for a party for 1 hour+ only to get there and disband only a few kills later because the leader or someone had to go
I still miss those days, though

>>376580451

How strict was it? Like you needed a full party of 4 or 5 or however many just to be able to kill regular mobs in the wilderness? You couldn't pull it off with 3?

Silkroad Online was pretty brutal grind without purchasing any exp boosts for $.
basically, you had your normal experience, and skill points. If you lowered the gap between your level and your skilllvl, the exp for skill would go up, but for normal exp down. You could and actually had to do it to 190%skill exp and 10% normal exp to be able to farm up the needed amount of sp.

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>>376580615
If you wanted the most efficient leveling experience (killing mobs 10~15 levels higher than you), a full party was needed
I'd say you could sometimes pull it off with 5 BUT it'd depend on what your party consisted of
If you wanted to party with 2 or 3 people, and again, it'd all depend on what jobs these people were; you'd be stuck killing mobs around your level, which gave piss poor EXP
>tfw lost all my screenshots

>>376575692
disgaea

>>376581028
>most efficient leveling experience (killing mobs 10~15 levels higher than you)

w-what if you were 2-3 levels from max

>>376561685

Last Chaos

>>376561685
Everquest.

>>376568951
Disgaea is almost anti-grind. You get a lot of tools to turn your slow, methodical climb into a very quick "Shit out a lvl 9999 every three seconds" engine. Once you get enough statisticians, you are climbing literally thousands of levels per fight. Especially more when you get LoC. Compare this to an MMO where raid bosses are like, 0.5% of a level, and buying experience grinders only boosts that to around 2.0% per boss.

>>376561685
mapoostory

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>>376573604
I really intend to replay this stupid fucking game at some point in the future, I just need a good PS1 emulator and I need it to be mobile. I refuse to play this mess while at home, I just want to chip away at it day after day while at work.

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>>376581285
I can't speak for earlier expansions, but by the Treasures of Aht Urhgan expansion (aka when I was finally in the fucking 70s years later) mobs were higher than level 75
Also 10~15 levels might have been a bit of an exaggeration after looking at some of the shit we used to kill in parties
I'd say 5~10 levels higher is probably more reasonable

>tfw when you couldn't even kill something that checked 'easy prey' solo

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Elite dangerous. For some reason it doesn't really bother me.

>>376574156
RoF isn't grindy at all. It's just really repetitive because there's only one real optimal strategy, and you can use it on literally everything.

Wizardry 1-5

Might and Magic 1-5 (less so)

these are the grind fests that inspired the rest of the grindfests

>>376581237

Disgaea is all about knowing what you are doing. Only retards end up with 400h+ saves.
I beaten baal in less than 100h, which isnt much for an rpg.

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>>376574156
>RoF
>shitty

>>376566725

me too man, me too...

now lose your life to ETK,

https://www.therealmofchaos.com/

>>376578478
I tried this damn game when a private server popped up and everyone here was sucking its dick in a never ending lament for the "good old days"

Fuck this game. Dullest damn thing I ever played, and it actually discouraged cooperation

>how do I level? do a hunt
>oh damn, the animals beat the hell out of you at first
>better take some guys
>oops, you have to split the xp with the guys
>you all almost died, try again 50 more times to level

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>>376561685
TERA

>>376579001
NGE?

>>376563387
I spent so much time picking fucking flax. It's literally a slave simulator

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fucking archeage my god

getting to max level wasnt so bad, but holy shit if you want to do anything relevant

see this fucker right here. this is the trade skills window and thats right bitch shit goes up to nearly 100k points. Wanna know how many points you get for doing certain trade skills? 5, 10, maybe 20. some of the higher end ones get net you like 2/300

want to get end game gear and hate doing endless dungeon runs and raids? Great! Here's your weapon, now spend 5-6 days literally farming for materials (not like killing mobs farming, actual farming on your farm waiting for shit to grow so you can collect it), now create the components to then TRY AND HAVE LIKE A 20% CHANCE OF UPGRADING YOUR WEAPON, BUT IF IT FAILS IT CAN DOWNGRADE OR STRAIGHT UP DISAPPEAR FOREVER

now do this 8-9 more times for every piece of gear that you need, then do it again if you ever want to run a different class spec combination.


fuck.this.game.forever.

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>>376561685
Shit story, descent bgm but fun as shit too bad it got axed. Still 10 years isnt that bad. Too bad the developers kept the knock off game. I think the elsword community still have a vg thread.

>>376583084
>IF IT FAILS IT CAN DOWNGRADE OR STRAIGHT UP DISAPPEAR FOREVER
fuck any game that does this

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> Worst for overall time sinking
Stat training in Pokemon Sun/Moon

I can handle killing 50 slimes to level up. What pisses me off is the berry/island system for training pokemon stats. You wait literal days for stats to improve.

Sure, you could hunt down specific pokemon and grind those to stat train, but it's easy to mess up. How do you fix it? Berries, once-a-day bounce houses and other BS that takes literal days to complete.

Fuck. Just give me Super Training back!

> Worst for traditional "level up" grinding:
Gwent. Yes, the standalone in beta.

The rewards are tiered with the best rewards being in tiers 1 and 2 (the easy ones). After that it scales DOWN the rewards while scaling UP the number of matches to get anything. You need these rewards to get more cards so your deck isn't total crap.

By the way, as the rewards scale down the XP gained per match stays the same. When not playing ranked your personal level determines who you're matched against. You can over-level yourself into having a crap deck compared to the guys at the same level who just play a few matches a day.

If you want to play ranked, then it gets even more annoying. You have to have a serious win streak to get anywhere fast as every lost costs XP points you need towards rank-up. This isn't easy considering the matchmaking sucks.

A rank 3, level 15 player facing a rank 10, level 35 player? That fucking happens. Frequently. Especially if you're nearing rank up. Oh, and if they're higher level than you you don't get much of a reward boost for beating them. If you lose to someone lower level, though, you lose more points making it harder to recover.

Only saving grace? If you do manage to rank up you can't rank down. Your points towards the next ranking can spiral down forever in the background, however!

>>376569561
Depends on what you're grinding. If you want to see the content in any game then no. Even getting every battle trophy in the Star Ocean games is like 300 hours max if you know what you're doing, although I've heard Baiten Katos or w/e it's called takes a while.

But if you want like 99 Zodiac Spears or killing enough enemies with Vincent that his Death Penalty always hits for max damage (or overflow) or some other autistic goal that doesn't unlock an actual in-game milestone or piece of content then you can probably literally set up any stupid grinding bullshit to take you that long.

>>376564586
It is still really grindy just to do missions and quests. Levelling up is easy but as someone who only started playing last year and fell in love with the world, lore and story killing 100 ton berries to get a treasure chest key drop to unlock a treasure chest that can spawn anywhere in the dungeon with 100 ton berries surrounding it which may or may not contain the item you want was just frustrating as fuck. I'm too casual for it which is a shame because I want to play for the story. I can't even imagine playing it in its prime.

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>>376583084
> BUT IF IT FAILS IT CAN DOWNGRADE OR STRAIGHT UP DISAPPEAR FOREVER

Ragnarok Online

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>>376570207
This... I played this on a private server with 3x normal rates of adena(gold) and Exp
Fucking hell it took several decades to reach any kind of high level even then
I can't imagine the hell that retail was. I heard so many people just flat out admit to botting.

>>376579421
>ctrl+f "cookie"
thank you

>>376583796
Thread specifically said GAME

>>376571035
whats expected of you from this game is honestly a joke.

as a 15ish year old kid I was gobsmacked by what this game asked me, I struggled and ultimately abandoned it for literally anything else.

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>>376583575
>coffer hunting
Man does that take me back
It fucking sucked doing it but felt great when you managed to complete your AF gear
If you think that was bad though, you would've fucking hated trying to get your Relic Gear from Dynamis back in the day
Also, to make your life easier anon, do Rhapsodies of Vanadiel
Once you get the Azure Rhapsody, Curio Moogles'll sell you Coffer keys, completely eliminating the grind for one
Still gotta hunt for a chest, though

>>376561685
Any F2P phone game.

Runescape "Classic" in 1999~2002. They did a bunch of QoL things in RS2 and RS3, but RSC was the epitome of grind. You don't know grind until you've manually uncerted thousands upon thousands of certs in Draynor, and then cooked lobs or swords 1 by 1.

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>>376563387

My roommate recently picked up Runescape after not playing for 5 years. I hear him saying say to his guildmates like "My wood chopping skill just went up x levels".

What the fuck.

>>376583350
>Play a cool mmo
>All high tier weapons are shit, even the ones retarded expensive
>They need to be upgraded. Up to +15
>You need a +10 to be half decent
>The weapons can be permanently destroyed past +4.
>Buy our premium bullshit that protects it.

>>376584149
Some aren't so bad. Try Deck De Dungeon or Neko Atsume.

>>376584060
I remember doing a AF quest where in the dungeon not only did you need a coffer key but a key for the door that the coffer might have spawned behind. I remember grinding for the door key and then going inside to be killed by a NM behind it losing my key and having to start again. Brutal but rewarding.

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>>376580052
>tfw I remember early days of being a doctor and healing tanks that took 50% of their hp per hit

>>376584267
Getting MapleStory/Mabinogi flashbacks myself, here
Fucking scrolls/cubes/reforges
At least Mabinogi let you buy them with in-game money from other players

>>376561685

FFXI

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Resident evil revelations 2

>top tier weapon drops are below 0.024%

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Gemstone III

The early years.. and then some

>>376561685
Me personally, the Neptunia series is the most grindy thing i've ever done and it's a bog standard JRPG. Maybe because it's so bog standard that I stop playing it for weeks, or months at a time.

>>376572402
the music in this game made it a lot less painful though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TgTyGu7J3Q

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>Children in this thread never played a MUD
Several hundred of them are probably grindier than any of the casual MMO's you know of.

>>376584439
>cubes
skrub back in my day it was either 60/10% scrolls


also the grindyist shit ever that only a masochist would do is play a beginner in maplestory pre big bang as there main

>>376561685
Life is fuedal your own, 2 friends and I spent 2 weeks straight grinding out a base, stone and all warehouse barn stables the works, then we got raided and lost it all. Feels good man. The grinds in that game are real with small groups

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>>376584397
Yeah, that sounds like FFXI alright
I can understand coffer/treasure chest keys disappearing after using them, but losing the door keys was brutal as hell
Made everything a lot more stressful

>>376561685
feel like it's a toss up between wow and dota 2
probably dota 2 because the grind literally doesn't matter

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>>376561685
I played Monster Hunter Frontier before G9 when in order to get G rank you needed HR999 and SR999

dont regret any of it at all

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>>376561685
Lineage 2

I got you all beat

>>376561685
FF11, getting a ridill and gearing up my warrior to use it took me more hours of my life than I'd ever want to admit.

At least I quit before the level cap increase; I think I'd have killed myself had I seen all that work become worthless instantly.

Shit got this far and no one mentioned Destimy yet?

I guess my excuse is I avoid grind games but somehow got sucked into that one

>>376585193
The level cap increase was one of the stupidest ideas and I have no idea why they thought in any way shape or form it would be a good idea
I hear it was an attempt to get people to start to switch over to 14, but with the flop that 1.0 was, they ended up gutting a large portion of their player base
And now they've got shit like item levels, which just makes me sad that its come that far

Silkroad Online and it's not even a contest.

>>376581890

ePSXe bro

But I advise you to do it on PC so you can remove FPS limit enable skipping and most importantly install Pete's external sound plug-in which allow you to play the game at 300 FPS (10 times as fast as the original)

>>376561685
MH4U grinding relics for all eternity. It sucks that all I play anymore is Monster Hunter, and 4U is the last one that isn't shit, but hey, at least the relic grind will keep it fresh.

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>Nobody has posted the Duchess of grinding

I mean, I like this game a lot, but never in my life have I played a JRPG that was so utterly fixated on grinding every single stupid fucking thing you could imagine.

Kal Online

But I usually play custom servers casually now

A player hit max level after about 8 years or something like that so its pretty grindy

Maplestory, the exp rate pre-Big Bang was so insanely slow that it boggles my mind how people even had the patience to get to third job.

Are there any mmos out right now that require grouping to level like in FFXI?

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>>376561685
Phantasy Star Portable 2.The rare item drops in this game are insane.There was someone really active on the gamefaqs forums for this game determined to get every item in the game.He didn't get them all until he'd put 2000+ hours into it.

>>376585697
>start out loving this game
>fuck yeah dungeons, boss fights and town building in own game
>realise you have to grind to get parts for your town over and over everyone single level
>lose interest

>>376585415
I just kind of figured they were mad about how they kept adding content no one wanted to bother doing. For all the endgame shit they added to that game for years everyone still fucked off to dragon's aery/behemoths dominion for 3 hours a day.

Wouldn't really surprise me that it was intentional to try to kill the game though, those spiteful japs. FF14 was so fucking bad.

>>376585529
You can remove fps limits on ePSXe for android, but it depends on your phone processing power. You arent going to hit retarded rates like you can in a good gaming pc.

Warframe

Me and my friends eventually started calling it Grindfarm

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>>376569841
Hey, what's up? 8 day crafting time on that Equinox frame? Cute. Watch this.

>>376561685
>tfw still playing this game on private server
Had so much potential to be one of the best action oriented free aiming action MMO out there.

>>376586340
Heh finishing up these ludicrous crafting times is one of the main things that brings me back to ESO every now and then.

I won't truly feel like I conquered that game until I become a master craftsman.

>>376583084
I loved Archeage. It was hands down one of the most fun experiences I've had in an mmo... But it was way too p2w to stay fun

>>376585730
lots of demi vacing and botting

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>you will never play this game again for the first time

>>376586085

oh i didnt know that, but Digimon World 2 also needs to have Pete's plugin to be able to run it at higher FPS than 60, can you run plug-ins on android? if so then would kiss you on the mouth because that's really all I want out of life

run escape

>>376561685
Royal Quest.

probably Vindictus by far.

RF Online

>>376561685
Let it Die
Had no idea what I was getting into, loved the premise of a "climb the tower action dungeon crawler"

Got to the top and then realised that I couldn't find an armour I like the look of and that's when the grind for MILK black and red came into it, apparently it's not as bad now since you can buy it from the vendor but the game goes a little further with the fact I gotta wait for R&D times and then I've gotta wait nearly 2 hours so I can buy the highest level weapon again

Kinda gets to me since I like to focus on games and this is more of a "do some small stuff and then wait ages" thing, so I just browse the internet when waiting

>>376561784
I don't enjoy games anymore, but if I did I could still enjoy this. It's the good kind of grind, where you can experiment and try new things and have fun.

>People who think runescape is grindier than wurm online
You poor fools

>>376587562
You can use an OpenGL plugin called peopxgl. There is instructions on the app help.

I dont know how petes plugin work, i know this OpenGL can unlock the framerate, i played DW2 like that.

The result is looks "meh", it works based on frame skipping to mantain the high frame rate, instead of trying to average the image and showing just a quick footage, so it doesnt look great, it looks flickery, but the game goes faster and thats what matters.

>>376561685
Everquest. I may have played a grindier game but I can't remember. Everquest definitely feels the grindiest. You can only kill dozens of mobs in a group with five other real people to see your exp bar move up a single pixel for so long before you just get bored and quit.

>>376587320
Fuuuuuuuug why remind me
That job system was great.
Captcha: Road prohibited

Dark Cloud (never beat it, still fucking loved it as a child) both 1 & 2

>>376574480
That would've been awesome

hmmm... it'd have to be..... yes for sure my pick would be this game! *posts pictue of vry grindy video game*

>>376566530
You sound like a normie. Please go back.

You know where. I don't need to say it.

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>>376566812

>>376588641
im watching a video series on runescape where a guy just spent 1800 hours ingame grinding to get a medicore weapon and intends to spend the next 3000 hours using it to level up

is wurm online grindier than that

Lineage II. Fucking game was literally nothing but grinding. And half naked Dark Elves, of course.

Botw

The whole point of the game is to grind shrines and korok seeds

>>376561685
>Amanda
L O N D O N
O
N
D
O
N

Twelvesky 2, at some levels mobs only give 0,005% exp per kill and all the quests are useless for leveling

>>376574026
>What was one of the actual worst grinds in WoW, the Frostsaber mount?
wtf? That's not even remotely close. Try getting 8/8 of a progression tier set in vanilla. It takes months.

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>>376566812

>>376584267
Hey Elsword.

>CBS needs a +10 weapon just to be mediocre
>Even then, all it does is make it so her chip damage equals the same damage everyone else can get with a weaker weapon
>She still guzzles mana faster than someone who has been dehydrated for months
Fuck what they did to best queen.

Black Desert Online

Old, terrible Korean MMORPG called RappelZ, I thought it was the shit because it was free and I was too cheap to play WoW but in retrospect you pretty much did not do a single thing in the game besides grind for exp. You would get like one fetch quest every five levels and new equipment options every 20 levels, it was ridiculous

>>376586145
took to long for this to pop up.

>>376561685

Let it Die.

>>376561685
Runescape is the only game I've ever played that gives me depression because of how much time I feel I waste when I play it. For 12 hours you could have a blast playing a good singleplayer game or you could click a tree for 12 hours and still not be a decent WC level.

Your choice.

>>376574129
xD

>>376561784
>0.01% drop rate

Who the fuc thought it was a good idea ?

>>376566812
SO HERE I AM

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>>376566812

>>376591393
Runescape really threw my perception of time spent on stuff out of whack. Like for example say full void is going to take you 15 hours to grind out at pest control, you think well thats not that bad, I can do that. But then you remember that 15 hours is a pretty typical length for most AAA main campaigns that get millions of dollars spent on them, and you'll happily spend the same amount of time doing the same fucking thing on goddamn runescape. And thats while still being considered a casual.

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>>376561685

>>376591514
Just keep camping that 2 hour long respawn MVP in a party of 3 members, competing against other 2 parties till you get you GTB card. Its fun

>>376561685
Terraria.

>>376575694
you sound like an entitled cunt

>>376561685
Wow.

Literally took me 5 hours to get to max level. And then there's months of grinding and tryin to get a LFR group and shit.

Its horrible.

Wiz Khalifa's Weed Farm for iOS

>>376591659
I don't even mind that kind of grind for MVP cards, they were so OP it kinda makes sense to only have a drop once a few years

But having you farm multiple weapons with 4 elemental/race cards that all drop at 0.01% in order to xp a monk at sleepers and other spots makes no sense. You can just hope the economy is fueled by enough bots to supply enough of said cards at a low price

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>>376591867
(you)

>>376561685
Tibia, but I guess only BRs or Pollacks will even know what the fuck that game was

>>376585708
that fuckin game
is the only mmo i ever played tho