How accurate is this image?

Pretty inaccurate

>literally the same games that gets posted on every essential x games image

whats the fucking point?

>>376547573
I don't think I'd call any of those essential in a broader sense than "if you're into their genre"

I wouldn't even really call most of them 'artistic' by game standards.

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>>376547573
Bloodborne is pretty artistic

>>376547573
>only two western games

>>376548287
>mgs
>silent hill
>bloodborne
>pathologic
there's four

>>376548594
>>>>>(You)

Artistic?
>has Majora's Mask
You mean autistic?

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>>376547573
I'll probably get shat on for the choices I made, but I feel this is more appropriate.

>>376547573

>PST
>Genre fiction

Put philosophy there instead for fucks sake.

>>376549328
>Hotline Miami
>Artistic
No it's just a fun game.

>it's another "pretty screenshots and deep messages makes games art" thread

>>376547573

The definition of "art", and by extension the definition of "artistic" varies so much from person to person this discussion is practically pointless.

A better question to ask is what games or parts of a game caused an emotional reaction in you, and what did they make you feel?

>>376549328
>Catherine over literally anything on the original list
You're right. I would shit on you for that.

>>376547573
not very accurate

>>376549328
atleast you didn't add Undertale

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>>376547573
I don't believe that a lot of the games on here would be considered "Artistic" They're all good games but purely talking artistic you could probably say Bloodborne, SotC, Okami, and maybe Silent Hill 2. BB for level design, SotC and SH2 for atmosphere, and okami for design in general. Despite it being one of my favorite games I wouldn't consider MGS2 as art. And I haven't played Okami but from what I've seen it could probably be classified as art.

If I'm being honest I think Gravity Rush 2 could be on there as well from an artistic standpoint. The French inspired design and mechanics are pretty high up there if you were to ask me. Just my opinion though.

>>376549328
>Removes Ico but keeps Okami

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>>376549328
You make a good point with limbo and journey I think. I'm not sure if it's correct or not, but games in the walking simulator genre are generally attempting to be more artistic. I agree with >>376549487 though, good gameplay has very little to nothing when it comes to artistic games. I feel like story and aesthetics are the only things you could really argue are artistic in a game. Pic related could be considered artistic as well aesthetically but story no way in hell. Unique mechanics could push a game further into the art territory but not that much.

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baka /v/ never gives the respect sega deserves

>>376551432
>he says when the Yakuza series has been praised amongst browsers of the board he's currently occupying and has daily threads

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true list

>>376551613
stop comparing yakuza to shenmue.

>>376547573
Stop sucking Taro dick, Drakengard is complete garbage, it's barely playable. I don't care how much you like a waifu and how sad you are that an anime character died. It wasn't good and it never will be good. Put Last Guardian in that spot instead. Also, why is Pathologic there and The Void isn't? I'd say it's even more of a weird art game.

>>376551707
Portal is definitely deserving of a place on this list just because of the crisp look of it and entertaining narrative, plus revolutionary gameplay.

>>376551772
Yakuza is owned by SEGA no? Shenmue should go to >>/vr/

>>376549328
>removes ico
>puts hotline miami
you improved the list but those are two big flaws

>>376551707
God Hand is one of my favorite games of all time but I'm pretty sure it's the opposite of an art game.

I can understand okami and killer 7 being called artistic, but how is drakengard, deadly premonition, and majora's mask artistic?

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I'd say this is the best "artistic" game there is because most people didn't even get it. Doesn't even have a cult following, no awards, mediocre scores. And yet it's one of the best games ever. But nobody will ever know.

>>376551975
ok and? there are still different games retard.

how is bloodborne artistic? retarded list desu

>>376551849
It's supposed to be barely playable you idiot.

>>376547573
remove meme yoko taro games

>>376551995
yeah if you have a fucking terrible definition of art games

>>376552050
kek

>>376549328
>Transistor over Bastion

Ninja what are you doing?

>>376552071
its epic when yoko taro does it! this wouldn't even be an opinion if yoko taro was a western developer

>>376547573
It looks like you don't know the meaning of the word abstract and just slap it on things that seem "deep"

>>376552208
not an argument.

>>376552045
Despite loving the story and delivery, I'd rather praise Stanley's Parable since it practically serves as a manifesto about narrative and choice in games.

>>376549328
>removes the most important one
kys

>>376547843
And its fans are pretty autistic

>>376552283
You really don't understand anything do you?

Pathologic instead of the void?

>>376551613
That's like saying Kings Field gets respect because people talk about Dark Souks. Totally different games bro

>>376552575
I understand more than you understand.

>>376552621
Prove it.

>>376552668
You taught I did not understand when I did so clearly I understand more than you, immediately.

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>>376552019
Name a game that delves into themes such as loss and death in a similar manner that Majora's Mask integrates it into its gameplay.
I'll save you the time and tell you that you simply can't because Majora's Mask is an artistic masterpiece and one of the few games that explores the medium's potential to its fullest.

Killer7 is good though too.

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Why didn't people get this gamekino?

>>376552019
But you can understand Okami.
Does artistic only mean graphic appeal to you?

>>376552589

nobody cares about the void

>>376552827
Also The Void isn't near as fun or compelling to play as Pathologic.

>>376552708
Oh, fair enough then.

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>>376547843
>Dude the characters are looking at an oversized moon like in my animu, so profound, wow and look at the setting, its dark n shit

>>376552732
>themes
kys mm
games arent high school lit class

>>376552903
I see that you haven't passed high school english to learn of what a motif is.

>>376552903
Confirmed either "not played" or just a literal retard.

>>376552948
Good thing Majora's Mask also has great gameplay aside from a few quirks here and there.

>>376552732
Majora's Mask is a rushed year old project, and it shows.

Hipsters need to stop praising the game as anything more than a fun self-contained expansion to OoT.

>>376553061
Not really. Just like all 3D Zelda, it's relatively simple.

>>376552732
Yeah I can understand that
>>376552760
Artistic=/=confusing. Also there was nothing confusing about Deadly Premonition and most of Drakengard was understandable

>>376553142
So does that mean Dwarf Fortress has the best gameplay of all time because of its complexity?

>>376552071
I see people sometimes say that it's meant to be bad but why? What does that prove?

>>376553283
ive never played dorf fort but from what i hear it's opaque and complicated but doesn't have that much depth.

>>376549912
Careful there, anon.
You can't be right on /v/. Could get banned.

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you forgot something

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>>376547573
I think this game is pretty artistic, and so is Yakuza 0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV6B4mU77mo&t=

>>376552071
I love Yoko Taro and enjoyed Drakengard but I was honestly one of the worse games ever and I won't defend it. It wasn't meaningly bad and the only reason the awful gameplay is in it is because they tacked it on at the last minute like Deadly Premonition

>>376553514
What game is this?

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>>376552283
>b-BUT YOU ONLY LIKE IT CUZ IT'S JAPANESE
this is the shittiest cop-out argument you could ever make, the postal series exists as the western equivalent of drakengard and has the same sort of cult fanbase that loves it despite being kusoge

>>376553524
That scene made me tear up about as bad as MGS 3's ending. Good pick, my man. >>376553595
The Witness

>two western games

Accurate.

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>>376553595
the witness

I haven't played everything but the whole right 9 seem like pretty safe choices. Drakengard and PST seem like fringe choices and MGS2 should just not be on the list at all.

LSD dream emulator tho

>>376552892

the problem with pathologic is that it really isn't 'fun'. the game would almost be better off as a VN.

>>376553514
I don't know if you're serious cause I've seen a lot of people shit on that game, but the environmental puzzles were really cool

>>376553663
Planescape is better than most of the Jap games on that list though.

>>376549328
>Kept Killer 7
>Put in Transistor
God taste

>>376547573

Great list, but I think it should be retitled "aesthetic". I definitely see a common theme here, and would look into playing several of these games because of it.

>>376553630
>>376553707
Love the art style, what's the premise? I remember hearing a lot of people talking about but never really looked into it.

>>376552274
>Bastion over transistor
Someone doesn't like reading

>>376553362
I guess you idea could be that you'd have to be insane to enjoy doing what these characters do. It's probably just not a well designed game though.

Those are all pretty good games but whoever added the "myth/tragedy/abstract" descriptors doesn't appear to have any fucking clue what any of those words mean, or completely misunderstood every one of those games

>>376551849
>I don't care how much you like a waifu and how sad you are that an anime character died.
It's funny to see Drakengard getting this kind of retarded backlash from people who know nothing about the game and are just on an autistic crusade against anything Yoko Taro because normies latched onto Automata. You could literally just read a Wikipedia article or a review and educate yourself on what the fuck the game is actually about but instead you posted something that makes you look like a retard, good for you.

>>376547573
Stop posting Drakengard. It's a fun idea with a fun story, nothing more. And don't even start justifying garbage gameplay with "It's supposed to be garbage" meme. I get the message behind this, but nobody should get praised for making gameplay of your game shitty just to make a statement.

>>376553817
Killer7 is probably the most unique game I've ever played.
Anyone know anything else like it?

what does "artistic" mean in this context? the director of the game is listed which presumes the notion that these games are made by visionaries, which is not the same thing as "artistic"

this is just another example of people on /v/ not knowing how to rank things because they're inexperienced with other mediums

>>376553616
Nobody acts like Postal is some artistic masterpiece you retard, its poorer qualities are usually joked about and not defended.

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>>376549328
>Hotline Miami's comment is based around that storytelling takes no place in gaming and that they can't be art for such.
>By making such a metacomentary about gaming as an art it achieves a greater artistic merit, which is a contradiction to it's message.

>>376554105

Killer is dead maybe?

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>>376553753
I'm serious, it's one of my favorite games

>>376553912

You solve line based puzzles on panels all over an island. And there is a lot of hidden stuff that's very easy to spoil.

>>376554105
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Sadly nope. Been wanting someone to do a killer 7 clone whether it's shit or not. You could just play all of Suda's other games (that he directed and wrote)

>>376549487
Nah. I think you missed the message of it, then.

>>376553524
>tfw it's impossible to find the music that plays when Kiryu turns around to face Nishiki
Such a fucking good series, can't wait for the remake of the first game and Yakuza 6 localization.

>>376553616
absolute retard

>>376551995
If kung fu is art, why not?

>>376554152
Drakengard fans will literally tell you to watch a playthrough of the game because it's so shit, you don't know what you're fucking talking about. You're full of shit, you're literally just mad because of Automata's recent popularity.

>>376547573
>drakengard
lmao

>>376554203
>Written by Suda
I'll be sure to check it out, how's it compare to Killer7 in terms of "what the fuck am I playing"?
>>376554253
I've played NMH 1 and 2, those were very good but didn't leave the same impact on me as Killer7.
Pretty excited thought that he hinted at NMH3 for Switch though.

>>376554397
I've seen multiple defend that the poor gameplay as part of the experience, you definitely have too and are just ignoring that for the sake of your argument.

>>376549328

I'd 100% stick Nocturne in over Catherine. It's got so much atmosphere of isolation, it's amazing

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>>376554395
You're not wrong.

>>376547573
Nier is the better Taro game in pretty much all aspects, why would you pick Drakengard?

>>376551707
>SFV
what the fuck

>>376554613
biggest pleb itt

Can I get a list for essential autistic games?

>>376554582
I'd probably go with Persona 2 over Nocturne to be honest.

>>376547573
Not very having ico and shadow on the list is overkill. Just shadow would suffice

>>376551707
Jesus Christ, that's fucking trash, how the hell did miss the point that chart so fucking much.

>>376554691
Not an argument.

>>376554867
ICO fits the bill better than SotC though.

>>376547573
Remove Deadly Premonition and Drakengard, replace with Rez and Ikaruga

>>376554935
its you who misses the point of art

>>376552735
Because it's pretty shit
Gameplay is shit
Story is shit
Only good thing about it is the accurate insomnia after watching/playing a horror movie/game simulation
The spooky games were also decent

>>376549328
>Limbo
kill yourself

It's missing Prey (2017)

>>376547843
That looks like something out of art 101 for plebs.

>>376554502
Even the people who try to tell you the gameplay is shitty on purpose won't tell you to play it, I was introduced to the game by a friend who told me to just watch a playthrough. The few people who try and tell you that you actually need to play Drakengard are as much of a vocal minority as the people who pretend like Postal 1's gameplay is good.
>you definitely have too
Nope, never have and never will. In fact, I've actually been wanting to see Omega Force remake the games because Drakengard with good gameplay would be a real treat. But I can definitely tell you're just another kneejerk retard who only started bitching about Yoko Taro shit after it finally became popular.

>>376555376
Game wasn't even as good as System Shock 2, why should it be on there?

>>376555249
great taste.
I like DP but I don't see why it'd be an art game.

>bb
>game aesthetically ugly it should be considered abstract
fuck off

>>376555285
No, you fucking idiot, that "artistic" in the chart doesn't mean "good games I love sososo much that I consider them art".
Don't worry, you aren't alone, I still remember how idiots like you did the same in other threads and the poor guy who made the original list tried to explain them that they did completely miss the point.

>>376555439
>Even the people who try to tell you the gameplay is shitty on purpose won't tell you to play it
Just not the case, your Postal comparison still holds no weight. Hell, Nier has all those shitty sidequests, the fishing game, lackluster combat, and the fact that you have to play through it multiple times and people defend that too.

>>376555159
Maybe, if it were my list id keep the one thats more fun.

>>376555439
>>376555654
to add to this, can you imagine how many shitposts the game would receive if it were western and people got to that entirely segment in the forest?

Why do all of you faggots suddenly need to call your favorite video games art all the sudden?

>>376552054
>how is bloodborne artistic?
It's the pinnacle of environmental storytelling.

>>376555648
artistic doesnt mean pretty or meaningful you moron. games are artistically good by virtue of their depth and game feel

>>376547573

Put Rez on that list too

>>376555780
*entirely text segment

>>376554495
The Silver Case is written by SUDA . Flower sun and rain made me go WTF every other second

>>376555940
Enlighten me on Rez anon, third time someone has brought it up in this thread.

>>376555859
A game needs that x factor

>>376549328
Props for hotline, limbo thoygh i dunno. Sillhouette doesnt mean art likeit did.Th this is the second thread ive seen mention transistor. I cant decide if i like it.

>>376556198
that literally means nothing. if you think depth and game feel don't cover what makes games artistically good feel free to offer something else

>>376555859
> games are artistically good by virtue of their depth and game feel

Which is just your dumb version of "this game is a great game". Guess what, the original list is deliberately filled with games that are shitty games from many point of views, but still had a truly and genuine artistic vision that goes beyond of being a good or a bad game. Again, it's not meant to be a "my favuorite game ever list", there are already too many lists about that.

Automata is the best Taro's game

>>376547573
Accurate if you were a pleb.

>>376556271
how the fuck am i supposed to know what the "original" chart was 500 threads ago? maybe if you dont want discussion about the best artistic games you shouldnt name your chart as such. you're looking for "best shitty games with some pretentious 'auteur' behind it that simpletons think is deep"

>>376556285
what a dumbass

>>376547573
I'd say games like Tetris and Katamari Damaci are more artistic video games than things like the cutscene heavy MGS series and barely-a-game Journey. What makes a good video game more artistic than another is how the medium of video game is used to heighten the experience the user has. There is nothing very video game-y about QTEs, walking sims, and hour long cutscenes. They might be artistic in themselves as movies, but not as games.

That being said I really love Deadly Premonition but I can't help but think it's an utter failure of a video game.

>>376556271
>Again, it's not meant to be a "my favuorite game ever list", there are already too many lists about that.
That's funny because that's exactly what the list in the OP is

>>376556487
What's artsy about Tetris?

>>376556487
The narrative content of that game can only exist as it does within the context of a video game, that's why it's on there.

>>376556623
>>376556487
I was referring to MGS2 by the way.

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>>376553514
>ywn play the witness and discover the secret/do the challenge for the first time again

>>376556434
>how the fuck am i supposed to know what the "original" chart was 500 threads ago?
The one in the OP is still somewhat similar, dumbed down but it's not a complete rape like yours was.
>your chart
Did you even read what I wrote? I'm not the one who made it, but I like the idea, and it's sad how people like you can't get the fucking at all.
>maybe if you dont want discussion about the best artistic games
Jesus, are you really that stupid? How wasn't my previous post clear enough?

>>376556518
Right, because Drankengard, Deady Premotion and Pathologic got clearly put there to praise their gameplay as the best thing ever.
>>376556487
And here's another idiot.

>>376556254
I wrote a book about X factor.Its on amazon right now for $19.95 cents.Your game feel philosophy is outdated.

>>376556974
I never said it was because they had good gameplay or were praised for it. I implied that that list was made because they're praised as being art and because they are probably some of the guy who made the list's favorite you flaming faggot

>>376551707
>Brood War
>Art
Maybe if I could actually look at anything in between microing thirty control groups

>>376556608
Formally it's a very pure example of what a video game can be. The design is fulfills exactly what the designers intended it to be: an easy to pick up game that gets increasingly fast paced and difficult. The music is iconic and catchy with its repetitive hook, allowing it to play over and over. The graphics are simple -- anything too cluttered would distract whoever's playing from the point, which is its endless puzzle. I think every part of Tetris fulfills what its creators intended it to do, and that creates this timeless video game.

Like Deadly Premonition, it has a nice story, and there's a certain wistfulness from driving around in this small town, but the gameplay is awful and does not at all heighten the story, just detracts from it. At best it makes the game feel very surreal, but I don't think that was the intention of the gameplay; iirc it was shoehorned in and there wasn't any combat originally. I do not think that the form of video game is utilized in a way that heightens the art of Deadly Premonition, which probably could have been told in a form like a television show (if Twin Peaks was a little weirder and a shitty video game, then it's Deadly Premonition).

Lot of story heavy games on all of these lists, but you must keep in mind that, in a vacuum, similar but better stories have probably been told through literature. So then, you ask yourself, what else do games offer? Gameplay, visuals, music etc, but mainly gameplay. And do those heighten that story? Can this exist without the gameplay? If it can, then it might be artistic, but not an artistic video game

>>376556974
>still had a truly and genuine artistic vision that goes beyond of being a good or a bad game
I wonder what a truly genuine artistic vision looks like to you. I guess it doesn't take full advantage of form. You'd probably think Crime and Punishment would make for an "artistic video game." Retard.

>>376547573
The Last Guardian should be in this artsy fartsy image.

>>376557338
Then your point doesn't matter at all. I meant "my favuorite game ever" list as "the games I consider so good that they are art" list, which wasn't the point of the chart, it's clearly something linked to the director's personal vision more than anything else.
You can have a thread about that idea or turning it into the usual "oh my god the games I like are sososo good that they deserves to be called art, look at it " thread, but at least keep those things separed since they are different topics and first one is worh discussing on its own.

>>376550995
MGS2 is a good commentary in the figure of the player and their relationship with the character. I think that justifies its position on the list.

>>376552903
This pretty much. Only plebs think this is artistic

>>376559693
It's more artistic than your favourite game for sure.

>>376558778
>You can have a thread about that idea or turning it into the usual "oh my god the games I like are sososo good that they deserves to be called art, look at it " thread, but at least keep those things separed since they are different topics and first one is worh discussing on its own.
But that's what I'm arguing against?
>>376559812
What makes those screenshots in particular artistic?

>>376554613
Maybe he choose it because every Taro games refers the very first Drakengard or something at that's why it has a mention and Nier doesn't because it was simply the first one? I don't know, seems logical to me.

>>376558336
Do we really need all three Ueda games on there?

If you had to pick one META vidya for a chart like this what would it be

>>376560172
>But that's what I'm arguing against?
Yeah, so against that I had to explain you the point of that chart and what this thread was about, and it looks like you didn't get what I said at all. Fantastic. Nothing can beat intentional denseness, I guess.

>>376561306
MGS2

>>376561306
MGS2

>>376561306
>META
?

>>376561306
METAl gear solid 2

>>376562510
It means self referential, in other words a video game that acknowledges that it's a video game would be meta.
MGS2 is a perfect example of that.

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>>376547573
Add Zenoclash (1 or 2) in there