What is the appeal of roguelikes?

>>376540412
the self accomplishment is what does it for me, playing the dark souls series was very satisfying. Knowing I solved things, read about lore, made my own theories. I like rougelikes because it really lets me control what I'm doing. Also what game is that

>>376540718
dead cells
but it's a roguelite

For me, it's because of the seemingly infinite amount of playtime you can put in before getting bored. I like to make sure that I get my money's worth and play games for as long as possible so rogue-likes are good for this.

>>376540412
rpg, loot and interesting classes

What's a rougelike

>>376540412
pic not related?

>>376540412
people like how each playthrough can be different, the difficulty of them, and how they can share their experiences unique with others
it really is not that hard to figure out

>>376540412
What game ?

>>376541341
A game where you must manage your hp, obtain random drop and face random encounters in randomized rooms, die and repeat.

>>376540412
replayability and challenge

>>376541341
Games that are procedurally generated and have permanent death.

>>376541457
>>376540954
Hybrid Metroidvania Rogue-lite.
It's in Early Access tho.

>>376541341
random generated levels and permadeath on death

>>376541341
Rogue.
Not rouge.

>>376540954
>>376540412
>looks cool
>Go check it out
>UNLOCK PERMANENT UPGRADES

Dropped.
Why do retard devs do this, they miss the entire fucking point.

STOP TRIGGERING ME OP
http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=What_a_roguelike_is

Bring back mountain dwarves.

>>376542257
>Crawl devs
>not removing fun
pick one and only one

>>376542257
BRING BACK SLUDGE ELVES
BRING BACK LAVA ORCS
BRING BACK RACIAL ITEMS

>>376542668
AHHHHH I WANT PALADINS BACK
WHY'D THEY REMOVE DEATH KNIGHTS
I MISS OLD SIF

>>376540412
any torrent for this yet? im not buying it til its out of early access

>>376542832
>Paladins, Priests, and Death Knights get removed
>Berserkers get to stay
Why do the devs have such a boner for Trog?

THATS NOT A ROGUELIKE YOU DICKLORdD

>>376542418
>>376542257
What's the last best version of DCSS?

>>376542101
>PERMANENT UPGRADES
Ehh I mean I like it on SOME games.

Grinding with a sense of progression helps me coming back to a game like that.

It works in some, but not all.

See Risk of Rain, unlocking more characters and more artifacts (Which have a chance of dropping during regular gameplay) is nice, considering the game itself is short.

>>376542418
>>376542668
>>376542832
>Come back to crawl after 2 years
>Are you sure you want to do X? You might die :(
Where are the times you held tab and died because you attacked a Pan Lord with a bread ration, fucking autistic devs

>>376543391
Yes it's 355mb

>>376543471
the single most noob-friendly background
need to kill a thing?
a, a
stairs nearby and you need to run?
a, a
spellcaster about to get funky on you?
trog's hand
are you fucked?
summon a dem- i mean brothers in arms

>>376542257
More like boring dwarves.

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>>376542668
>BRING BACK LAVA ORCS
Why and when did they remove them? They really don't like fun.

Are there any roguelikes about cute girls? They all seems so gritty and dark.

>>376542101
I like the idea of unlocking classes

>>376543768
i think they were added in 15 and removed in 16
djinns were removed alongside them, though i didn't mind them being removed

>>376541341
Coral, pink, rose.

>>376543921
Which fuckstick added gnolls
>-5 skills at 10 skill level
Boring as fuck

>>376543921
>djinns removed too
Oh come on their concept of mixing life and mana together was cool.

>>376544000
double trips confirm crawl devs are fucksticks

>>376543782
Elona maybe? Nothing stop you from having a team of little girls gardening, playing music for dosh and dungeon crawling when you feel like it.

>>376543782
One Way Heroics has cute girls.

>>376543921
LOrcs were never in stable. The dev making them lost interest and left. I think it was the octopode guy?

>>376541341
Games with big fat bat tats.

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Challenge, adventure, surprises, accomplishment

It is the most satisfying genre of video game

>>376540412
It's a different game every time.

I spent a lot of hours on Isaac, just because I never knew just what I would wind up with next game. On the other hand, that can also be a bad thing, as the majority of items were trash and the game is literally designed around unavoidable damage.

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>>376545279
And replayability, forgot that

>>376545440
Why did you mention binding of isaac in a roguelike thread? weird

>>376541367
it absolutly is related.
its also one of the more unique roguelikes too.

>>376540412
That's not a roguelike.

How do I get past D:10 in DCSS without getting f*ucked

be honest, how much do you look down on people for liking roguelites

>>376541341
A game where you like rouges.

>>376541341
Turn-based
Grid-based
Permanent Death
Procedural generation

If it's missing any of these elements it is not a roguelike

Is dead cells any good? Might be too early to tel, but the steam reviews are all positive.

>>376540412
I only have one question:

Is it fun? It looks fun.

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What is the Dark Souls of action roguelike puzzle-platformers?

>>376545854
if you're not 100% sure you can kill something: don't engage it.
always fight 1v1 if you can, this means making clever use of LoS, fighting in hallways, digging tunnels with wands so only one enemy can see you at a time
never quaff ID
no seriously if you're not sure about whether you can kill something, EVOKE FEET
that's fancy talk for LITERALLY WALK AWAY
don't play "interesting" combos or with "fun" gods until you actually know how the game works
this means play as a minotaur warrior/gladiator/berserker
or a gargoyle something

there's a couple of web clients that let you play in your browser an other people can spectate
if you're interested in improving your game, i've only got 2 meager wins under my belt, but i wouldn't mind watching someone play and offer advice on the fly

>>376545854
also activate manual training
train your weapon stat until you're killing shit nicely
then swap to stats that make you not die
you want dodging even when you're a heavy armor dude
fighting is best leveled when you're at a high level as it gives more hp if you're high level but a couple of levels early on don't hurt at all
once you've got a few levels in armor/dodge go back to your weapon skills and get it to minimum delay

>>376546217
>never quaff ID
Should I use ID scrolls on other scrolls or on potions? I usually prioritise identifying scrolls until I find a teleport scroll and then do potions until I find healing potions
>don't play "interesting" combos or with "fun" gods until you actually know how the game works
Oh. I always switch between different races and classes to keep runs different, I'll try to play melee Minotaur for a while.
>but i wouldn't mind watching someone play and offer advice on the fly
I appreciate that, but I don't have time to play now
>>376546582
What about leveling 2 weapon skills at the same time, e.g. short blades and bows, is it ever worth it or should I just focus on one of those until I get it to minimum delay and then maybe level up the other one?

>>376546582
Actually as a Minotaur I'd just toggle melee skill, fighting, armour and maybe dodging? No need to fiddle with that shit too much.

>>376547196
>What about leveling 2 weapon skills at the same time
usually don't do that

short blades are a bad skill with some good early game weapons (elec/venom/drain)

get a forum account and ask questions there

>>376547196
>What about leveling 2 weapon skills at the same time
no
>melee plus bow
no

game starts
you pick weapon
you train weapon skill
as long as you're below 5-7~ it's worth swapping to a different weapon skill if you found an INCREDIBLE weapon. crosstraining factors in too, if you find a rad weapon that your at a decent level with thanks to crosstraining than that might be worth swapping over to as well, but as a new player you often won't be able to make sounds decisions in this regard

id scrolls are best used on potions (i could be wrong about this but it's worked out for me so far)
sometimes it's worth buying harmful potions in stores because it'll instantly ID them

the thing about switching your combo constantly is that while it keeps the game fresh and interesting, you don't learn much.
you don't learn the extent of how strong your combo is at certain thresholds, you don't learn what exactly you can and cannot take on
i mean shit you can do whatever you want, and if you're not keeping things fun for yourself it's not worth playing in the first place, but if you're aiming to make progress then you're better off picking an easy combo and sticking with it for a good amount of time

>>376546206
fuck you

>>376547672
>but as a new player you often won't be able to make sounds decisions in this regard
i just realized that this just sounds snobby and doesn't add anything of worth to this wall of text, but i'm not sure as to how explain what makes certain brands better than others, and what enchantments/detriments outweigh others.

journey on dude

also do lair before orcish mines
the orcish mines will kill you
you don't have to clear it right away
it's okay to do one floor and then piss off
orcs are fucking dangerous because they smite and summon demons

>>376548314
>it's okay to do one floor and then piss off
it hasn't been okay for years

enjoy your ettins

Binding of Issac and rouge legacy are my favorite rougelikes.

>>376547350
Short blades is good for stabbers and anyone lucky enough to get a quickblade with a good brand.

>>376540718
Is there another a-rpg that's like souls?

Not in terms of difficulty or whatever, more in terms like 'exploration gets you secret places and you read about lore in the items, cool armors and nice weapons with infusing and shit'

Is there something like that? I don't mind pixelgraphic, or if it is turnbased.

>>376548943
>anyone lucky enough to get a quickblade with a good brand
elec maybe, and even then you're banking on getting the rarest weapon with a rare brand

and it won't do squat against rElec mons

oh and pain I guess, go kiku!

what are some good roguelikes?

>>376541341
It's made by the people that made Rogue

>>376549263
BoI
Rogue Legacy
Poschengband
Tomb of the Necrodancer
Don't Starve.

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Since there's a bunch of peoples knowing their shit about crawl what should i play? It's been a while.

Lazy developers can get around level design by creating a bunch of random shit, slapping it together at runtime and calling it infinite replayability.
Indie devs love this shit because it allows them to put minimal effort into their games.

>>376540412
To do the same thing over and over and over again.
It's a soothing process for people with autism.

>>376549509
Probably play a version that isn't like 5 years old.

>>376549506
all those names and you managed to name only 1 roguelike

Has anyone made a good FPS roguelite yet? I'm disappointed by the way Strafe turned out, but I still feel the idea has promise. Ziggurat looks intriguing to me, but I haven't heard much about it.

>>376551505
You should try Ziggurat and Immortal Redneck.

I didnt try many of them but those two definitely arent terrible.

>>376542101
Because more people like it than they like permadeath, true roguelike doesn't sell

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>tfw I've yet to see a roguelike top a game like FTL

>>376540412
>looks nice
>early access rogue-lite
ow my cancer

>>376552412
>casino games

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>>376553001
>Roguelikes should be easy enough that you can always beat them

>>376553710
But FTL just fucks you sometimes.
I dont really see whats hard about getting fucked over

Anyone got a link for this one?

>>376541341
A misinterpretted marketing term that retards eat up.