IGN's top 100 RPGs of all time

>>376526818
50 Persona 5
49 Xenoblade Chronicles
48 Dragon Age: Origins
47 Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3
46 Grandia II
45 Demon's Souls
44 Xenogears
43 Tales of Symphonia
42 Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines
41 Skies of Arcadia
40 Final Fantasy IX
39 Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen
38 Fallout
37 Fire Emblem
36 Neverwinter Nights
35 Baldur's Gate
34 Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
33 Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride
32 Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
31 Final Fantasy XII
30 Pokémon Sun and Moon
29 Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate
28 Fallout: New Vegas
27 Bloodborne
26 Mass Effect
25 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
24 Ultima VII: The Black Gate
23 System Shock 2
22 Final Fantasy IV
21 The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
20 Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together
19 EarthBound
18 Final Fantasy Tactics
17 Suikoden II
16 Deus Ex
15 Fallout 2
14 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
13 Persona 4 Golden
12 Dark Souls
11 Mass Effect 2
10 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
09 Vagrant Story
08 Diablo II
07 Secret of Mana
06 Planescape: Torment
05 World of Warcraft
04 Pokémon Yellow
03 Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
02 Final Fantasy VI
01 Chrono Trigger

>>376526818
>IGN gives undertale a 10/10
>only the 68th best RPG of all time

>>376526818
I thought this was going to be the bait one with Skyrim as number 1. Chrono Trigger is kind of a boring answer, but I really can't hate a list that remembers that Freedom Force existed.

Though, Fire Emblem as a position bothers me because
1. None of the games are called just "Fire Emblem"
and
2. The first Fire Emblem game wasn't that great. At least put Genealogy of the Holy War there, or hell the SNES remake of the original game that also included an all new, complete sequel.

>>376527330
Wait, just remembered that the FE 7 release in America was just called Fire Emblem.
Eh, that's better than 1 I guess. Still not the best Fire Emblem, but I'll take it.

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>No Etrian Odyssey

List is shit.

It's great that even after all these years, the sight of that HUcast brings back good memories.

>>376527330
>Chrono Trigger is kind of a boring answer
Here's the thing, that's how it's always going to be. A top 100 list isn't "What are the best we can list?" It's "What do people expect us to put as the best?"

That's why Dark Souls, Witcher 3, Pokemon Yellow, FFVI, Mass Effect 2, KotOR etc. are all so high. That's why the only SMT games are Persona 3-5. That's why Morrowind is just barely ahead of Skyrim, despite being a better RPG by miles and miles.

All this is is coming up with the most inoffensive list as possible to rake in clicks without controversy.

>>376526818
>>376526851
Do we really need to keep having this thread every day?

>>376527946
And that's fair, I understand that.
Still, better than that shit list from that other gaming site that listed Skyrim as the best rpg of all time, and it's nice seeing so many franchises, some completely forgotten, get some love.

>>376526818
>51 Stardew Valley
Oh mercy.

>>376526851
>50: Persona 5
>47: Persona 3
>13: Persona 4

Dumb nigger got it backwards.

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>ctrl+f Blue Dragon
>0 results

Sad!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjxPj3al5U

I'm amazed Ys made it up there, but 1&2?

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>Top 5: World of Warcraft
Really? It's the game that literally destroyed the MMO RPG market and dumbed it down to arcade action packed game.

>>376528241
Wasn't that game garbage?

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>no Radiant Historia
>no Lost Odyssey

>>376528461
Would have been fine if not for the fuck disgusting art style.

>>376526851
better taste than Gameinformer at least

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>>376526818
>52. Final Fantasy VII
>2. Final Fantasy VI

No faster way to spot a nu-gamer trying to be cool than someone putting 6 above 7, let alone 50 places above.

>>376526818
>04 Pokémon Yellow
what the actual fuck, I enjoyed that game a lot as a kid, but its nowhere near being in a top 10 of anything apart from pokemon games, and even then its not even top 5.

>>376526851
I seriously hope fire emblem refers to fire emblem blazin sword.

>grandia 2 not in the top 20
>any FF game in the top 10 that isn't FFX
>Pokemon Yellow at #4
>WoW fucking WoW
Trash it.

>>376528742
But VII is the most overrated Final fantasy ever, most people love it because it was their first RPG ever. The game is litearlly babbys first RPG the game.

>>376526851
>>376526818
I'm surprisingly not offended by this list.

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>>376528819
>FF10 being anywhere near the top of any list ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0

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>>376528819
>>376528742
X and VII babbys tears' will never fail to amuse me.

>>376526818
>>376526851
Well the list isn't as hardcore normalfag as Gameinformer's but you can see it tried pretty hard to be inoffensive.

B tastes.

>>376528461
One of the best last gen JRPGs. That's not saying much, but when Stardew Valley, DA Inquisition, fucking Fable 2, Undertale and Xenoblade Chronicles are on the list, there is no reason Blue Dragon or even Lost Odyssey couldn't be there either.

>>376528874
It's the flagship title of the entire series and adjusted for inflation the highest grossing standalone title in the history of Final Fantasy. Just because it was your first game doesn't mean it was for everyone else or that the game is somehow diminished by your underagedness.

>>376526851
>Sun and Moon
>above any other game in the series

>>376526818
>not a single Mistwalker game

>>376528362
It didn't start like that

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>>376528997
>that one kid in every discussion that says he likes FF4

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>>376528878
Indeed, could be as bad as the GameInformer list that had Skyrim on #1, purely based on commercial success presumably. Skyrim gets so much unfair praise literally everywhere, even here on /v/ most people like it. Meanwhile it's even worse of a game than Oblivion, and that game was only mediocre compared to Morrowind. There's not a single thing Skyrim excelled at, it's all below average down the line. Exploration, quests, writing, characters, combat.. I could go on and on.

>not a single SMT
Fuck this shit

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>>376529108
>It's the flagship title of the entire series

>>376529214
Yes, yes it did, Compared to any other MMO out at that time WoW was a casual brain dead game that shat on any RPG aspect out there.

>Stardew Valley
>Mass Effect 2
>RPGs
huh
I see no Legend of Grimrock, but it's full of plebeian shit.

>>376526818
>44. Xenogears
Stopped reading right there

>>376528802
>Earthbound
>No Mother 3

>Morrowind on the list
>Gothic 2 isn't
How to disregard a top RPG list in 1 second. Every goddamn time.

>>376526818
>series and
Legit surprise EverQuest made it.
EQ had a hard life......

>>376529614
That can be justified due to us never getting it

>>376526818
>RPG
>Undertale
??????
How fucking broad has the definition of "RPG" become that a literal walking simulator with babby's first shmup gameplay qualifies? Why not just put Dear Esther at #1 while you're at it?

>>376529328
There are three Persona games on there.

>>376529860
>implying they've played those games

They're just memeing a bunch of games everyone knows of and of course in a list of 100 games, a few games are going to sneak in that are wrong.

>"wow, this new game undertale really feels like earthbound"
>earthbound is a JRPG, people keep associating undertale with it, undertale is popular, gotta put it on the list

I feel like Chrono Trigger is number one out of obligation to IGNs readers. I'll never understand the undying love people have for it.

>>376528461
the anime was

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>only 1 quintet game
>no wild arms
>undertale on list

ill give them points though for lunar and chrono cross, but thats some pleb mistakes

Let's make our own list. Post your top 5 RPGs (1 game per series, excluding spin-offs but still just 1) and we'll add them up and create a list of 100 best series with best entries.

>>376530335

it was like the opus of 2d rpgs at a time when the genre was declining due to the emergence of 3D and action games

it balances extremely well between being easy to play and challenging, plus the all-star dev team, it was like the Abbey Road of rpgs

>4 and 6 that high

>>376526851
Is Persona 5 really that good? I mean it's not even one year old and it already on 'best of' lists

>>376529860
>Persona 3 and 4

Even Devil Survivor 1 and DDS can replace these if mainline are supposedly too little story for RPGs

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>>376531035
It's not that it's good, it's still as formulaic as Persona 4. The reason it's popular is because other JRPGs are so half-assed.

>>376530373
>Ctrl+F Terranigma
>No results
what am I missing here

>the greatest WRPG ever made (Gothic 2) is not on the list
Trash it.

>>376529167
Yellow is number four retard

How the fuck did Fable 2 make the list and not Fable 1?

>The worst version of P3
>Inferior version of the first Disgaea, which isn't even the best in it's own series
>TWEWY
>Fallout and Fire Emblem, not specifying which ones
>Chrono Meme
>Persona 4 even on the list

Yeah, no. This cunt can fuck off.

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>no SMT on the list
>but Undertale makes the cut
How will SMTfags ever recover?

>>376531035
There is not that many absolutely legendary RPG out there, so being in a best of list isn't too surprising, since it's the same formula of P3-4 which worked very well.

>>376531832
>Nocturne is on the list

You got dyslexia, boy?

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>The Witcher 3 is the only current gen game to break the top 10

Confirmed masterpiece.

>>376526851
>50 Persona 5
>47 Persona 3
>12 Persona 4

This is the most disgusting taste that I've seen and why the fuck is P3 and 4 on there and not a single mainline game, Devil Survivor 1 or Digital Devil Saga 1? Even Souls Hacker and Raidou 1 are better than P4

And no Etrian Odyssey either? Did they take the Fatlus meme?

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>>376526851
>The Witcher 3
>RPG

>>376531763
>Fallout
>not specifying which ones
>when Fallout 1, 2 and NV are on the list
Learn to read boy

>>376531985
Where the fuck is it then? I ctrl f and it doesn't show up.

>>376526818

I know these lists are designed to piss people off but Pokemon Yellow is fucking ridiculous.

>>376529108

Just because it's the higher selling one that doesn't mean it's the best. A game should be judged for it's technical and artistic aspects, which means gameplay (above all), story, art sytle, graphics, music, character development, etc...

That's what the game is. Sales only show how many people bought it, not even how many played it (some people buy shit they never play) or enjoyed it (some might have played the game and not liked it) and stuff like that... that's not what the game is.

I myself think all the PS1 FF are pretty good and where the series peaked but i don't think VII is the best.

>>376526818

I disagree with the list and am particularly offended by the fact that no Valkyrie profile made it into it.
I do agree with CT and VS being on the top 10 though...

>>376526851
Well, atleast this one doesn't have Symphony of the Night, like that last shitty list that had Skyrim at #1.
Also, why is Secret of Mana rated so highly? Other than its soundtrack, it excels at nothing. Fun game, but nowhere near the "best ever".
Anyway, I am still bamboozled that Yellow is on 4 rather than HG/SS or BW2 (probably due to nostalgia), Gothic 2 is missing entirely.
Also

>>376526818
>mixing JRPGs with real RPGs
Might as well include every single story driven game with character and item progression.

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>>376526851
>the worst pokemon game is #4
>fallout 2 above new vegas
>morrowind and skyrim on the list at all
>wow on the list at all
>Fable II not at least top 50
>padding the list with weeb shit that is not in any way an RPG

>>376526851
>no lost odyssey
>no blue dragon
>fucking undertale
Whatever ign

>>376532479
Which is why stuff like Diablo or Dark Souls is there aswell. All of these games have their roots, and I mean their very distant roots, somewhere in pen and paper rpgs. Western RPGs just happened to focus on a different aspect than JRPGs.

>>376526818
I won't scroll down and say that Skyrim is #1, isn't it?

>>376531165
I can't take anyone who says DDS is great seriously. They are seriously just SMT: Final Fantasy edition. And they're the worst of both worlds having SMT's general awful hallway dungeons as well as FF's terrible level up/shpere grid kind of bullshit. The only redeming quality about the game is the semi interesting premese. Even the Persona games are more enjoyable to play.

>>376529319
>and that was only mediocre compared to Morrowind.
>There's not a single thing Skyrim excelled at, it's all below average down the line. Exploration, quests, writing, characters, combat.. I could go on and on.
literally everything you listed is fucking shit in Morrowind also

>>376526851
>still pushing the 'Gen 1 was good' meme

>FFVI 2nd
>FFV which is better isn't even on the list
>even fucking VII is way below it

this is how you know nostaligafags exist. You have need to play all the games within a recent time frame to fairly assess them.

>>376532753
>Exploration, quests, writing
Hmm, really made me think.

>>376526851
>ff6
>#2
>ff7
>#52

hey look a bunch of fat neckbeard contrarian reddit tier morons run ign

>>376532738
It has a better premise, story and a cast that doesn't become irrelevant after their introduction like P4

>>376532654
Which are not RPGs. 20 years ago we called games like Diablo what they are, hack'n'slash or dungeon crawlers. RPGs are about roleplaying a characters personality the way you want to. Not just leveling up, collecting loot and picking talents from a tree.

>Persona 4 13th

This is accurate, /v/ is just contrarian.

>>376526818
I don't get hung up on the whole order but
>Earthbound but no Mother 3
>Persona 5 below both P3 and P4
>multiple non-RPGs on the list

At least they gave BG2 a high spot.

>>376532995
Well, then I find it weird you only complain about JRPGs.

>>376532730
03 Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
02 Final Fantasy VI
01 Chrono Trigger

well shit, that's almost my top3, I would pick FF7 instead of FF6 and BG2 goes to #1

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>>376533045
>BG2 over PS:T
Woah, BioWare is so amazing. Can't wait to defeat the ancient evil yet again for the umpteenth time.

>>376532958

honestly, everything that Persona doesn't have and vice versa (dungeons, hardcore-ness, exploration) is better done in SMT Nocturne.

DDS is pretty good, but to a large degree it's the jack-of-all-trades master-of-none of thr franchise.

>>376532208
you cant spell IGNorant without IGN

>>376526818
>>376526851
Typical safe list.
1. Pokemon should never be in any top 100 RPG list from a company, ever. Gamefreak simply does too many stupid decisions just so games can be "different" from one another, even if the removal of said thing is worse off.
2. Choosing a bunch of recently developed RPGs is a joke and another safety method. I honestly cant think of any RPG that came out in the last 5 years to warrant a Top 100 slot.
3. A half finished game like Xenogears shouldn't even be in the top 50.
4. Somehow Vesperia is lower than Symphonia
What a mess.

>>376533067
Because i hadn't even noticed that they actually included fucking MMOs in their shit tier list. This is literal fucking autism. Pure argue-bait. "Hey, can you believe what gamespot included in their RPG top list? This is so fucking terrible, i have to post in the comments!" "Dude, did you see this comment on the RPG list? Such a fag, i have to respond!" etc.

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>>376533262
>inb4 the contrarian faggots that say that gh deserved the 3.0

>>376533184
BG2 is arguably a more well-rounded game. PS:T had a great story and memorable characters, but relied on text too much and didn't offer much in terms of gameplay.

With BG2 you get great characters, great story, and crazy ass battle scenarios and versatility. It's also considerably longer.

surprise, it's cancer

>>376533291
Name another turn-based RPG that can be and is frequently played competitively

Pokemon is notable for that alone.

>mass effect 2
>#11
>dark souls
>#12

holy shit this much reddit cancer.

they probably don't even play video games.

>>376533291
The fact that Vesperia is even on the list is amazing. Most normalfags only even know about Symphonia and say it's the best just because it's the only one they've played or heard about.

>>376533224
I'd rather has either P5, Nocturne, SJ, SMT I, SMT II and even DeSu on there

But P3 and P4 are not top 100 by any mean

>>376533375
Well it didn't deserve a high score, that's for sure. It was average, so a 5 or 6 would be more appropriate.

>>376532016
Too hard for IGN

is secret of mana really that good? plan on getting it on wii VC, wondering if it's nostalgia goggles

>>376533318
Nah, this list is far from that. While I agree it does not really follow the definition of what an RPG is, it still somewhat follows what is commonly considered an RPG by people who are not really knowledgable.

That other list was just plain silly. It had stuff like Zelda and Symphony of the Night. Games I hold dear, but those have no place in any RPG lists.

>>376526851
>39 Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen
>20 Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together


Wow trash list complete garbage, what the fuck were they thinking.

Fire Emblem is an RPG?

Top ___ lists are only meant to get clicks.

They're constructed in ways designed to make people angry.

Also it's easy to form these lists. Just get
- Universally praised mega hits
- The cult classics that people on forums like to talk about
- A couple favorites from staffers that know RPGs

Then just arrange them in such a way where they kinda look like they know what they're talking about at a glance, but you look at how some are ranked in comparison to others, and it's just nonsense.

The whole plan behind these lists is people think "WOW THIS LIST IS SHIT I'M GONNA SHOW MY FRIENDS HOW SHIT IT IS" and then they get clicks. It's all for clicks.

>>376533671
It's still considered a SRPG

>>376533579
Which one are you talking about

Usually I would be able to tell but you seem to be retarded

>>376533707
Obviously.

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There's only one list that matters anyway.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9453

>>376533647
>commonly considered an RPG by people who are not really knowledgable

Then what is it supposed to be? A general guide of what can be an RPG for people who just found out that there is more to vidya than Call of Duty, FIFA and Madden?

>>376533442
Just because its the only one of your description doesn't warrant a top 100 slot because the devs like changing things solely for the sake of change, still making armature mistakes after 2 decades of the franchise, and playing it so safe they're unwilling to take major risks because thee games will sell 15+ million copies anyway. I like the games and all, but they are seriously (the mainline games at least) some of the biggest waste of potential a franchise can ever have and its tragic seeing it treated the way it is at times because of the half-baked developers.

>>376533579

it was a good game, the "professional critic" is just a conformist cocksucker who didn't go into it with a good will.

His thumb started hurting and he wanted to go back to making "le cake is a lie XD" Portal jokes, jerking off to his gay Mass Effect boyfriend or getting sweet killstreakz in Modern Warfare with his cool hip gamer tattooed fellow employee pals.

>>376532995
>RPGs are about roleplaying a characters personality the way you want to
That's only half the equation, buddy. What you described is done just as well by adventure games too, but we don't call TWD and RPG, now do we?.

Role-playing does apply to your role in combat as well, or, better yet, your team composition in party-based RPGs. That's what a lot of older JRPGs focused on, and its sorely missing from most modern "RPGs" like Witcher. Go play a table top RPG and tell me the only role-playing you're doing is with you character's personality.

>>376533621
It's probably a little bit better with co-op cause your team's AI leaves something to be desired from, but it's my all-time favorite game. Something about the world and what's going on during the game just sucked me in and combat was pretty fun.

it's definitely worth a playthrough as it's a classic title.

>no fable
The fuck?

>>376533904
It is clickbait. It is a "top something list", the easiest way to create discussion in your comment section, thus site activity, thus ad revenue.

>>376534008

that game is a piece of shit

>game has rpg elements
>it's now an rpg

>>376532565
>The worst Pokemon game is #4
Black and White wouldn't even make it on a top 1000 RPGs list

>>376534008
No Tota (tales) either. Fucking disgusting how Vesperia and Symphonia are on there but not Abyss.

Meanwhile, Pokemon's #4. How the fuck.

Sadly, this is still the better of the 2 lists that came out this month. this one has its weaknesses (Pokemon Yellow), but Game Informer's is just embarrassing.

>>376533883
rpgcodex are just a bunch of contrarians that think the more outdated and buggy a game is, the better.

Vampire: The Masquerade does not belong on any Top anything. It's a fucking shitmess of a game that not even the amazing writing can salvage.

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Tfw a better RPG than 90% of that list

>>376534167
Gameinformer's list made me hate them, and I'd never heard of them before. At least they put a semblance of effort into this list.

There's not a single person alive that can argue TES5 ought to be #1.

>>376533579
there he is ladies and gentlemen

>>376533910
That's no reason to exclude it either just because your autism is triggered by it. I agree they take a step forward and a step back with each release, but that doesn't mean what's already there isn't good or noteworthy.

Pokemon is a surprisingly deep competitive game, go try playing on showdown. There are literally millions of possible team combinations and to win you both need to have the knowledge of the meta and the prediction skills to do so. It is unique, fairly deep and keeps people coming back with each release. How is that not deserving of a spot? Because you don't like it personally?

>taking IGN's opinion seriously

>>376528819
>>376528997
FF 7 had a huge culture impact that if it didnt there would be no final fantasy today.


This list would have forgotten that game.

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>Final Fantasy VI at second place
>So much above Final Fantasy VII

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>>376526818
>>376526851
>Weebshit

>No Final Fantasy V

>>376534242
Sorry, I found it to be pretty average. It was clunky and the encounters were repetitive but the combo system was easily the best part of the game.

>>376534227
Why the fuck can open world games not have anything to do other than combat?

And even then; They generally have really shitty combat. Fuck my ass.

>>376529319
>even here in /v/ most people like it

Have you only been a fucking week or something? Skyrim is one of the most hated games on here.

>chrono 1
>ff 6 2

You can tell this list is pretentious as fuck.

>>376534292
Thats why this list was made
to satisfy nu consumer slaves

>>376534249
"Deep" mechanics alone doesn't mean a game belongs on such a list.

You have to look at all parts of the game.

Honestly not the worst list, but still pretty bad

Baldurs Gate 2 in the top 5 is a good choice

>>376534292

so retarded. 6 is not even that good.

>le kefka is so edgy!
>talk to this inane townsperson
>now talk to this one
>congrats now you play as this mary sue stock character

meanwhile 7 has setting and atmosphere out the wazoo. Look it at unselfconsciously and ignore Square Enix's milking of the franchise and it's plain as day it's the better game.

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>lumping action rpgs and turn-based rpgs together

>>376533946
That's why i said they include games that only have you leveling up, which allows them to throw nearly every game under sun on the same list. If they seriously wanted to only include RPGs, and make a list of 100 titles, they'd have to dig real hard. I've been playing RPGs for over 20 years and i'd be having a really hard time coming up with 100 somewhat-well-known games that fit the criteria of "branching story affected by the players decisions in dialogue and action combined with a character and item progression system".

>>376534227
>Top-tier writing and humor, still tongue-in-cheek but able to be played seriously
>The music
>The culture
>Huge swaths of incredibly memorable land and settlements

Grindy as fuck but I agree, it has a lot more going for it than a majority of the list.

>>376534469

Putting Chrono at top was the only tolerable thing they did.

I may not think Babe Ruth was the best baseball player ever but I can listen to someone say he was without getting the urge to gouge out his eyes.

Also, it's a pretty standard choice for these lists and only pretentious if you're a fucking baby who hasn't played it.

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>>376526818
>no fucking Gothic

>>376534495
Says who? You're just making up arbitrary qualifiers until you arrive at your predetermined conclusion.

Pokemon is a deep competitive game and a good casual RPG for people who don't want to play competitively. It offers a lot to a wide audience without sacrificing that depth at high-level play. I'm not saying it deserves to be #4 or whatever but it deserves a spot on the list, regardless of how much it triggers your autism. It is unique and does what makes it unique well.

>>376534249
Not being a gold standard is a perfect enough reason to not add a game to a top 100 list. Pokemon is not a gold standard in anything. Yes it's a massive success, and many RPGs would absolutely adore seeing even a 1/4th of its success, but Pokemon itself is not unique, nor does it do or introduce mechancs that other RPGs should strive to be like. Monster capturing/recruiting mechanics have existed long before it. There's a reason why games like Chrono Trigger are still heavily praised to this game, even when Squeenix refuses to make a direct sequel. Pokemon just happened to come out during the right time,and managed to brute force its way by merchandising and having an anime to market it.

>>376534745

Pokemon is a good game and I think it deserves to be on the list (not the guy you're arguing with) but your justification is more autistic than saying it doesn't deserve to be on the list.

The best thing the game has going for it is its Nintendo quality and its crack cocaine tier addictive hook. Plenty of other RPGs do everything Pokemon does way better.

>>376534731
Chrono trigger is an overrated game. It's easy as fuck and only gets a pass cause it looks slightly better than square's other snes rpgs. So it makes sense a bunch of manchildren would consider it the best due to how non challenging and cinematic it is. It's modern baby's ideal rpg.

>Persona 3 in top 50

I love that game but the only reason I do is because it was my first entry in to the SMT franchise and its spinoffs. There's no way it's better than Persona 4 and 5. Persona 4 itself is way too high on this list, 14th? The fuck?

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>>376526818
>gen 1 pokemon is the highest rated pokemon on the list
hooooly shit

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>>376534038
>Only 15% block ads

It's within your power to kill gaming media /v/.

Golden Sun and its successor are the only turn-based, "old school" JRPGs I replay.

RPGs were a mistake because they disguise books with mediocre writing as games that 100% of the time have shit gameplay.

Enjoy your numbers. Maybe that cookie cutter dungeon or scripted enemy will give you a sprite with better numbers.

>>376535063

No other SNES JRPG so expertly hits all the plot cues and necessary conventions of a JRPG. It only takes about 30 hours to beat but it's thrilling and memorable. It's everything from Squaresoft and Enix's repetoire distilled to its perfect essence.

>>376535031
No, my argument is simple. It's a solid casual RPG and a solid competitive team-based RPG, of which there are practically none.

He's saying that because GF adds and removes various QOL features with every new game, it shouldn't be on there. Which is true, but if you're going to argue it should excluded because GF decided we had to hold B to run again then I'm going to call the autism as I see it.

>Plenty of other RPGs do everything Pokemon does way better.
Except for, you know, that whole "team-based competitive RPG" thing I've referred to several times. Few/no other games offer that, and Pokemon does it well.

>>376533647
While i agree, Isn't zelda 2 fairly rpgish actually?

>>376534469
How is that pretentious? Chrono Trigger and FF6 are extremely safe choices for the top RPGs of all time. It would be pretentious if it was some indie literally who game at #1.

>>376534190
This was a community voting though, unlike IGN and gameinformer, both of which were selected by a bunch of retarded editors and ''''writers''''. And yes, both Arcanum and VTMB are that high despite their bugs, if there weren't community fixes out I think it'd be hard to place them in the top 25, let alone top 10.

>>376526851
>Tatics Ogre luct worse than FFT

Absolute shit thread

>>376535592
It's less of a game and more of a movie. Like I said, appeals to all the modern shitheads who think rpgs should be just that.

>>376528156
Nah it's right, 3 and 4 are better than 5

>>376536239
I mean none of them are actually any good.

>>376535609

that team based multiplayer gets stale quick unless you're autistic, because it's broken as fuck.

>Naruto is an eloquent deconstruction of
shonen fighting anime. No other show so perfectly captures the essence of the day to day travails of a teenagers receiving instruction within the Nippon education system while maintaining the conventions of a post 1960s televised animation series. It rightly deserves its place next to Taxi Driver and Citizen Kane.
>I mean it's a cool show about ninjas I guess
>FUCK YOU DAD YOU'RE AUTISTIC NOT ME

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>Pokemon S/M over any other Pokemon game
Into the trash it goes

>>376536452
better than DP, XY, ORAS and gens 1 and 2

>Mh4u
Get the fuck outa here

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>>376536330
>you're autistic
followed by
>I AM SILLY

unparalleled debating skills, I'm sure your opponent was truly swayed by your argument

>>376536595
Oh shit I didn't see that, fucking monster hunter on an rpg list. I guess any game with stats is an rpg.

>>376536136

Very good if you think this way but this criticism is hardly specific to Chrono Trigger. It unravels its plot according to JRPG conventions not "movie" ones like Heavy Rain/Uncharted. You can explore and find secrets and whatnot.

It's as much a movie as every other Square Enix game or JRPG on that list. Just with less grinding filler episodes.

>>376536761
That loss of grinding is one of its weaknesses, mostly because it didn't think to fill it with an equal gameplay equivalent to make the player have to work a bit. And battles got stale well pass the second hour.

>>376536330
>that team based multiplayer gets stale quick unless you're autistic, because it's broken as fuck.
No, its not, which is why I suggested you go download showdown and play it for a while.

>>376536596

It's a common way to satirize people on this site but your post was deserving of it.

I'm not trying to debate you or even undeceive you, I've gone straight to flinging shit at you because you're delusional.

>>376536914
how regrettable

>>376536914
Different person, genius.

Just because you lose 6-0 doesn't mean the game is broken. Again, you need to learn the meta, know what each Pokemon is likely to do when you see it, know the popular pairings, etc.

>>376536894

It's not a weakness or even a good or bad thing, it's just part of Trigger's flow to not force the player to grind.

I for one enjoy playing Dragon Quest wherein the player often spends hours grinding for metal slimes. However, the designers opted for a different philosophy when making Chrono Trigger and the general consensus is that it paid off.

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>>376536535
You know this isn't true, S/M are one of the worst games of the series while adding another cancerous meta

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>>376536136
>Chrono Trigger
>like a movie

What the fuck kind of movies are you watching?

>>376537229
cancerous meta, i'll give you that (DUDE tapus and UBs LMAO) but in-game i think they are better than those listed

>Persona games in the completely wrong order
>Souls/ Bloodborne as an rpg
>skyrim
>Kotor 1 not Kotor 2
>any mmorpgs
>the bard's tale
>monster hunter games


weak list stuffed with shit from the early 90's for cool points

>>376526851
>persona 4>3>5
Thats disgusting
>persona 4 and pokemon yellow in top 15 or even being on this list

>>376527127
>>376527127
Give it another year, and it and Stardew Valley will disappear from the list outright.

>>376536535
No, ORAS were much, much better. No idea why people shit on it so much, is it literally just because it didn't have the battle frontier? Oh no, I can't grind against cheating AI for hold items and TMs!

Playing SM after ORAS is painful, the bottom screen does fucking nothing. So any useful features, like EV training, a not-shit map, that poke-finder, much better online interface, and they just threw it all out the fucking window.

>>376537529
Is that even an rpg? I thought it was a harvest moon rip off.

>Bloodborne
>27
It belongs in the top 10
Still way better list than Game Informers absolute shitshow

>>376537187

lol who said I lost? When I felt like it and invested the time to stay up to date on whatever the latest autistic trick was, I was wiping player after player.

I think any notion of "competitive gaming" is basically farcical to begin with but even should I acknowledge the premise, Pokemon is so fundementally flawed in that regard.

Between two schoolchildren with the same level of sophistication an acquaintance with the game's mechanics, indeed it is an interesting toy.

When adults get "major league" with it and defend its merits on the internet, it is autistic. However, I generally do not judge. But you called someone else autistic for disagreeing with you, hence the well we are stuck in.

>>376526818
>Confusing MMO's with RPG's
>WoW #5

...wow (:

>>376537321
Why in-game tho? the story? it's pretty meh, you're not even the main character, getting cutscenes after almost every route is awful and the postgame is nonexistent

>>376537775
>MMO......RPG

wow I just blew your fucking mind

soulsbourne are action games not rpgs

>Vagrant Story that high up
Hell no.

>>376537506
>>376537887
Souls/Bloodborne are more of an RPG than most Final Fantasy games. They let you create your own character, level them up how you want, and play the game how you want, exploring and discovering. Those are more of a role-playing game than most JRPGs which give you a predetermined character and story path.

>>376537887
they're aRPGs. It's strange to argue for Soulsborne games to not be on there but be okay with a hack&slash like Diablo, which barely qualifies as an aRPG.

>>376526818
Holy shit the persona dicksucking is ridiculous. They're all good games but even just Nocturne beats all of those. Fucking normie list.

>>376526851
>Pokemon Yellow
>#4
In what world? All the Pokemon games are the same, and even then the older ones are the least refined. Yellow has a ton of glitches.
At least that's the worst this list ge--
>Skyrim above Fallout 1
Yeah, nevermind. Fuck IGN.

>>376526818
>Stardew Valley
>RPG
What?

>>376526818
>77 Valkyria Chronicles
AAAAHAHAHAHA

>>376528241
>Blue Dragon
>good

It was outdated back when it was on the 360 and it's even more outdated now.

>ACTUALLY taking an IGN list seriously

>>376527127
>10/10 game
>0/10 fans

Really hurt its average

>>376538065

True, the disagreement should be with the list and not the layman's vs. D&D neckbeard's definition of RPG.

>you don't make write-in edgier, cooler versions of your ugly failure ass so it's not an RPG
>at what point do you sit around your basement drinking Mello Yello with your gay virgin friends? It's not an RPG.
>When can my storm elf Andraxiel kiss hairy dwarf ass? How do dice rolls factor into this interaction? The lack of true RPG mechanics here is apalling!

>>376537872
Well what counts as BEST rpg? Is an MMO better because you can potential role play anything you want. Literally role playing. Or are they just ranking what games have stats and random numbers attached to skills? I mean did they just like the story telling of Legion?

>>376529518
you can't expect them to understand it

>>376538721

I hate WoW and I stopped playing it after Burning Crusade. I was only saying it's okay to consider it an RPG.

idgaf what Gary "Fatass" Gygax and his loser successors think an RPG is. I side with the public.

>>376538782

It's pretty fucking flawed.

Though I believe that to quantify art is itself ridiculous...
>My feelings for Hamlet were.. hrmm... how shall I say? Nine point seven five out of ten?
>Let us compare this six out of ten Goya with his later eight point two five works.
..even so, Xenogears is incomplete by its own standards. It can't be a "gold standard".

>>376538913
yea i gotchya. stopped playing then too

>>376538147
>Yellow has a ton of glitches.
And yet they removed the only one that actually mattered

>>376531763
which disgaea is best?

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Why are there three Persona games but Nocturne isn't on the list?

>stardew valley beating FFVII
kek and lel

>>376526818
If FFVII never existed, nobody would care about FFVI

Skies of Arcadia is the correct #1. They ranked it below FFXII, which is not a good game.

>>376540080

the dark souls of persona

>>376526851
>mass effect 2
>rpg

I mustve been playing a different game.

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>>376540506
That's SMTIV though.

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>>376531408
I bet you're a Polack.

>>376526818
>IGN
fuck off

>>376540723
>dark souls of persona
have we reached critical mass?

>>376540723
I agree with Personafags wanting Social Links but

>an OST that is easily forgotten as a standalone piece

IV's OST is fucking atmospheric and shit on Engrish rap-wannabe Jpop shit all of the day

>>376541006

he should have said "of smt"

>Persona 4: Golden
>no Persona 2: Eternal Punishment or Innocent Sin

Shit list is shit, but I will give them points for having the balls to list Chrono Cross.

>>376541347
>no mainline

I'd actually take even DeSu over P3 and P4

>>376541347
I don't understand why people bitch about these lists. People haven't played every game.

>>376526818

At least they didn't put Persona 5 in the top 20, a game that just came out.

>>376540723
Are these real quotes?

>>376541641

nonetheless you hope that a 'major website' with 'professional reviews' would be a little more knowledgable than say, the next douchebag walking down the street.

but you know
>2017
>having standards

>>376526851
>Monster Hunter
That counts as RPG? Guess that's my favorite RPG then

>its a "we argue what a rpg entails" episod
You faggots need to accept the term is as loose as your love for traps.
For better or worse the term RPG has completely changed from its inception for whatever argument makes you feel better.

That said i had no idea stardew valley had rpg elements. what the fuck.

It's a mediocre list overall.

P5 is definitely better than P4, for example, but I suspect they preferred 4 because it was far easier.

I wouldn't rate SDV nearly that high, as pretty much every Natsume game does what it does better, unless they rated it for it's SJW value.

Only the first two Fallouts should be on the list, as every other Fallout has been a failure from an RPG standpoint.

Why are MMO's on the list at all? Make a separate list if you want to rate MMOs, they aren't RPGs in the end.

Rating CT as number 1 over and over just feels like a throwaway vote to appease the so-called hardcore crowd.

Why is Pillars of Eternity even on the list? It was awful.

Why would you even list Betrayal at Krondor except for sheer nostalgia? I mean, it was my first rpg and all but objectively it was just mediocre.

The more I read, the more I find to tear apart. But I expect nothing less from IGN.

>>376541836
Of course.
>>376541741
What does that have to do with its quality? It's far better than 3 or 4 by just about every metric. 4 being 13th is an actual joke.

>Chrono bazziga!
ugh

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>No Nocturne
Bad list

>>376540723
I mean, I thought SMTIV was bad but that's just because I was comparing it to SMT:N.

I'm interested in the upcoming (or is it out?) apocalypse version, though.

>>376541342
>thatsthejoke.jpg

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>>376526851
>vtmb that low
>no Mount & Blade
>mass effect 2 better than Deus Ex
what the fuck

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>>376542214
Apocalypse is out and improves upon every aspect of IV in terms of gameplay, actually it's probably the best MegaTen gameplay thus far.
Story and characters on the other hand...

>>376542214

it's out dumbass

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>>376542037
>#29

>>376526818
I came here just to see how high up they put Skyrim and laugh. Wasn't disappointed.

>>376526851
>Chrono Trigger as number 1

I might be CT Fanboy but no way in hell is it a better game than FF5/6

also
>Pokemon Hi Kids Who Love the Anime Here's a Game Just For You at #4

does IGN even look at what they're writing?

>>376542065
>Betrayal at Krondor
Hmm, I've never played Betrayal myself as it's before my time, but I've heard it has one of the better stories in RPGs. Is that not enough of a reason for it to be there, somewhere?

Regarding the list, it's shitty how D2 is on there but not D1 -- in many ways D2 was an improvement, but when it comes to atmosphere and setting D1 trounces D2 easily.

And where the fuck is TW1? According to IGN it's TW3>TW2>TW1, while the other way around is much more fitting.

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>>376542165
Anon, do you seriously expect someone at IGN to be able to get past this?

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>>376542214
It's out since last year

Good gameplay. Fun bosses (bosses' patterns are arguably fairer than Nocturne) and the best fusion to date

Story and characters are trash though. The villains are actually cool to be fair, and you can kill your annoying allies

>>376542214
Don't listen to whoever is saying the story is trash. The story is pretty good with some of the best villains in the series (the divine powers and, depending on your choice, Dagda). The only problem is how it ends. Characters are a mixed bag, with some ok and some really bad.

>>376542560

the funny thing is that it's really not that hard if you're truly acquainted with SMT. This dungeon in particular is not so bad. You learn to feel your way around these things.

the fucking amala network is what really sucks.

not a perfect list.

not totally unreasonable though.

I give ign's list a 7.5/10. not bad.

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>>376542804
You mean Amala labyrinth. That shit sucks since the second floor and mark the moment I decide to always have Estoma up

> Suikoden 2, Vagrant Story, Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger that high on the list.

Nice!

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>>376543158
>The invisible wall maze in the Third Kalpa
>When Dante is chasing you around

This is a Sonyfag thread, Half the list is Sonyshit. Wonder how much IGN was paid to make this list.

>>376534417
Runescape has literally 20 skills that are non combat and essential to the game

>>376534227
agreed, RS3 is awful, but up until eoc Runescape was one of the top played mmorpg's

Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden is suspiciously missing from this list.

>>376543658
I've never left classic RS, what's so bad about RS3?

>>376527946
>>376527330

FFVI and chrono trigger are in fact the greatest RPGs of all time though underagebabies

>>376544037
totally different combat system, graphics completely different, like a crappy WoW. I still play old school rs, they went too far away from the base game that everyone liked. in my opinion they tried to make the game more like other popular mmorpg's and lost a lot of their core players that liked the game like it was.

>>376533036
Can't agree more.

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>>376544404
Yeah man Persona 4 is great.

kingdom hearts2
chrono cross
FF1
Legend of Dragoon
witcher 2
BoF3
golden sun
FF7
DeS
FF9
FF12
Pokemmon s&m
MH4:U
bloodborne
FF4
Morrwind
Ogre tic tacs
FFT
Suikoden2
DaS
witcher 3
vagrant story
D2
wow-until cata
Pokemon yellow
FF6
Chrono trigger

Those are all the games Ive played and enjoyed from the list
Any anon got recomendations for something new I should try not necessarily from the list but in general

>>376544737
FFX

>>376544737

earthbound, mother 3

>>376544452
>playing Persona for the dugeons

Not even applicable for the first 3

>>376544845
That's half the game, so why is a game where half of it is shit being ranked as the 13th best RPG of all time?

>>376526851
>normalfag shit

Of course

>>376544789
I've played every numbered FF and almost all the spin offs
>>376544820
thanks those have been on my backlog for awhile

>>376545018
What's your top 10?

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>30 Pokémon Sun and Moon

i'm dying from laughter

>51 Stardew Valley

This list is total bullshit

>>376545127
Then play Nocturne and Persona 5.

ctrlf
no mother 3

do they even play video games

>>376544910
Because the list is fucking shit. P4 and P3 have no place there

>>376545149
10. Final Fantasy IV
9. Xenosaga 1,2,3
8. Nocturne
7. Super Robot Wars Z1
6. Zettai Hero Project
5. Disgaea 2
4. Chrono Cross
3. Gundam Seed Generation of C.E.
2. Super Robot Wars W
1. Hack GU 1,2,3

>>376526818
RPG is too obtuse to be a real genre anyway.

Almost every game on this list can be described as an FPS, action game, strategy game, or MMO.

>>376545741
you uhh like your mechs dont you anon
Decent tastes aswell

>>376527946
>without controversy.
>implying controversy wouldn't just generate more clicks

Maybe your taste is shit and FFVI,CT are that good?
Stop being an edgy contrarian.

>>376529368
That's just not true though and you have no evidence to back it up. Furor and all the old FoH guys completely migrated to it because they knew it was the better game. Raids in Vanilla were far more challenging than anything else Everquest had to offer. Anyone who says otherwise didn't play the game and/or doesn't understand how attunements worked, or thinks "muh cleric rotations" were complicated.

>yellow of all pokemon games
>pikachu ear rape is the best

what

>>376546468
Im more concerned over s&m being in there over crystal emerald platinum or b2/w2 or even SS/HG

>>376526818
>>376526851

>Arcanum not on the list
>DOS below inquisition
>Inquisition is on the list.
>VTMB that low
>WOW is on the list
>ME2 above ME

And this is just at a glance, holy shit, is this what it feels like to be triggered liberal.

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>>376526818
>start reading
>Titanquest is right in the beggining
>in a fucking top 100 greatest rpgs of all time, starts with one of the many mediocre, generic diablo clones
>taking up space from games like Castlevania Sotn or SMT Nocturne

I mean the game was alright but come on.

>>376547234
>SotN
>RPG

>>376547285
Platformer/RPG
I don't see the problem here

>>376547363
Having some RPG elements doesn't make the game an RPG

>>376547285
how is sotn NOT an RPG?
it's literally more of an rpg than 2/3 of the games on the list.

>>376547363
>SotN
>Platformer

>>376547552
I don't want to take this bait but god damn is it strong.

>>376547468
>some rpg elements
The game was literally a 2d DaS1, it had everything an rpg needs to have (beside the dialoge box options but those were always just a thing with western rpgs anyway)

>>376547780
t. hasn't played SotN

Bat makes any """"""""""""""""platforming""""""""""""""a non factor, and even before then platforming is never an emphasis of the game.

>>376547780
He isn't wrong tho, just because the game was 2d and had side view it didn't had any areas that required platforming skills. It was all about exploration and combat.

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>>376526851
>FFVI is #2
>FFVII is # 52

>>376547987
>platforming was never an emphasis
Megaman never had an emphasis on platforming, it was a third person shooter.

That's how retarded you sound.
>>376548057
But the entire game was platforming. The focus may have been combat but platforming is always present just like the old castlevanias. Although the platforming was dumbed down.

>>376547780
It's not really a platformer though, don't they have a name for metroid/castlevania style games?

>>376548331
Metroidvania is the most retarded term I have ever heard and I refuse to acknowledge it.

>>376548309
smash bros is a platformer desu

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>>376526851
>>376526818
>Mother 3 isn't on here
>But fucking Undertale is

>>376548406
its pretty descriptive, dont see the problem

>>376526851
>04 Pokémon Yellow

no. first generation of pokemon was great at the time but you can't claim the games after it weren't better

top lists of things often have a conflict between importance of something and how good something actually is

Xenoblade is too low

>Pokemon Yellow out of all those Pokemon games
>no Gothic 1/2
>Undertale
>Stardew Valley
>World of Warcraft

>>376548309
Sotn almost never made a challenge out of platforming and the gameplay was never meant to be about that, it's just a way to explore a 2d environment. A platformer is something like super mario where platforming is part of the challenge.

>>376544737
stalker

>>376533291
They Did the best they could with Xenogears given the Development trouble they ran into. Gears still has a huge cult following and is a ton of people's favorite RPG.

>>376526818
Why do casual gamers like to overrate Chrono Trigger so much?

>>376539265

>incomplete works can't be great
>what is Canterbury Tales

>>376545741
How did you feel about Xenogears my boy?

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>>376526818
>number 1 spot is a mediocre jap game that only fits the description of 'roleplaying' by marketing standards

Did Japan ruin RPGs?

>>376548309
>Megaman never had an emphasis on platforming
Except that's the entire emphasis of Mega Man, genuinely can't tell if this is elaborate bait or next level autism.

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>>376533668
Why no Ogre Battle 64?

At least they had the decency to leave Fallout 3 out

>no Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden

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>>376526818
1. BG2
2. Gothic 2
3. Deus Ex
4. Might and Magic 6
5. Ultima Underworld
6. Wizardry 1
7. Book of Dragon Pass
8. Demon's Souls
9. Wizardry 8
10. Crusader Kings 2

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>>376526851
>49 Xenoblade Chronicles
>48 Dragon Age: Origins

>>376552004
>Demon's Souls
>RPG
It's an action adventure game with minimal RPG elements.

>>376552340
>It's an action adventure game with minimal RPG elements
Mmmm nope, sorry sweetie. I'm sorry you never got to play it.

>>376552584
>I've never played a game in my top 10 games
Soulsfags delusional as always.

>>376526851

>Diablo 2
>RPG

choose one faggot

>>376536913
You mean a bunch of arbitrary rules because the game is so unbalanced that it takes a "council" of nerds across the world to "balance" the game itself and make 20 different formats just so Snorax doesn't have to compete with the disgusting power creep introduced in each generation? Showdown is basically the equlivant of Skyrim Mods and I'm not going to call the base game a top 100 anything when I have to access something outside of it to get the most enjoyment out of it.

>>376553370
How is Chrono Trigger a RPG but DeS isn't? What do you think a RPG is?

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>Final Fantasy 1 on the list
>Disgaea 1 on the list instead of 2 or 4
>FE Awakening even on the list to begin with
>FE7 is the other FE pick (okay this is the least offensive part)
>Persona 5 only at 50
>Persona 3 and 4 both higher than it
>P4G at fucking #13
>no Mother 3
>Undertale
>Gen 1 Pokemon is the top Pokemon choice
>no SMTs outside of the three popular Personas
>no Terranigma
>#1 is Chrono Trigger yet again


I'm fucking mad
To expand on the last point, the #1 spot for RPGs is almost always one of the SNES "Holy Trinity" titles or Final Fantasy 7. It's why I never like to look at these kinds of lists

>>376526851
>37 Fire Emblem
As in NES Fire emblem?
What the shit?
>Yellow above B2/W2
>S/M above anything not named X/Y

>>376553987

> the #1 spot for RPGs is almost always one of the SNES "Holy Trinity" titles

THIS

>>376554032
Fire Emblem 7 was called "Fire Emblem" in the US

>>376548306
As it should be. You probably haven't played Vi anyway

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>>376553868
>I don't know that WRPGs and JRPGs are fundamentally different and that Demon's Souls is nothing like either

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>>376526818
>>376526851
>Pokemon Yellow and Sun and Moon is on the list.
>Pokemon Silver/Gold/Crystal is not.
Fuck right off.

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>>376526818
>IGN

>>376527127

>game reviews aren't headline grabbers
>your website doesn't get clicks after some nerd says "well IGN gave it a 10"
>game reviews mean dick all

This list, unsurprisingly, confirms how bullshit gaming journalism is. New Vegas is 28, Fallout 3 not even on the list, but what got better scores? Which won the comparisons they made?

>>376526818
>Dragon Age: Everyone looks like an ugly tranny
>Higher than Divinity Original Sin, one of the best RPG's of recent years

is this some kind of twisted joke

>chrono trigger

most overrated game of all time. it's actually one of the worst games on this list. fuck that shitty game