Post a more badass boss attack

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>>376505054

>>376505364
>simple and edgy
>not from a boss
0/10

>>376505054

Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne are such fucking godly products, From Software truly stepped up their games from the days of Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2.

I can't wait to see their 3 new games. I've never bought a collector edition in my life, but I don't give a fuck, I will pre-order the collectors edition of their next Dark Fantasy ARPG game and I will also pre-order the normal edition of their other 2 games, one being Armored Core 6.

>>376505364
YEEEEEAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOW

>>376505364
I think you misunderstood the tittle there buddy

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>>376506543
Demon's Souls was such a low budget game, and now we have something like Gael's Boss Fight.

I really want to see what happens on the E3. My only hope is not to need to buy a PS4. But surely I'll have to.

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>>376505054
>posting gifs

>>376505054
that command grab attack by stage 3 Elfreda is pretty sick.

>>376505054
My fight with Gael was so anti-climatic. Dude couldn't even hit me.

>>376507723
>caestus against Gael
for what purpose

Ludwig's power slam with the moonlight greatsword was pretty dope

>>376507723

I can't see your shitty webm from my mobile device though so really webms are useless unless you never leave your house

>>376508105
>can't see webm on mobile device
Well your mobile device must be pre 2010 then. You can hardly blame people for not considering that.

>>376505054
Why is Soulshit so fucking retarded and why do autistic weebs eat it up and call them "good games"?

>>376508306
fuck off

>>376508105
Try opening in another tab. Works even on my old s3 I used to use.

>>376508306
There is literally nothing weeb about Dark Souls. It's made by japanese studio but feels completely western.

>>376508351
YOU FUCK OFF!! STUPID FUCKING FAGGOT!

>>376506150
>muh edgy
You are a complete retard

>>376508413
fuck off

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>>376508413
Are you this guy I triggered a few days ago?

>>376507723
>>376505054
Yeah I like Genshin part 4 too.
https://youtu.be/Z3yL7C8Rlos?t=2m18s

>>376506543
>Dark Souls 3
>godly

no

>>376508385
>feels completely western
Bullshit. The whole series is a retarded gook interpretation of what the west is. Nothing but giant knights and dragons up the ass. Also too fucking cool to have normal currency so they use souls with no expelnation on how they fucking store it and calling giant cathedrals cities without adding shit that nakes it a city.

>>376508763

Fuck off contrarian subhuman cancer faggot.

>>376507723
>Hollowslayer against Gael
You fucking devil

>>376508648
>screencapping your own shit to bring up later
a regular forum might suit you better

>>376508806
Yes, medieval knights and dragons are pretty western and not weeb if you ask me. You can clearly see in game they absorb the souls into themselves and then transfer it to another being, I don't see how alternative currency is weeb even if it wasn't explained at all (which it is).

>>376508648
YES AND IM STILL PISSED OFF! FUCK U!!!

>>376507992
That fucking jumping attack is the reason why i rate the fight only 7.5/10

Gael is everything wrong with dark souls 3 game design
All his attacks are so fast and area-reaching that it's pointless trying to side step or block them, and instead mashing roll to one side absolutely trivialises him.
All the while the music is screaming bloody murder and the audio is raped by lightning SFX.

>>376508876
Fuck you

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>>376508806
Oh, you mean every fantasy medieval setting ever?
>too fucking cool to have normal currency
>"to be Unkindled is to be a vessel for souls. Sovereignless souls will become thy strength."
>and calling giant cathedrals cities without adding shit that nakes it a city
I'll wait for you to say one area that has "city" in it. And showing only one bit of a city doesn't imply the rest doesn't exist. Off yourself retarded contrarian

>>376505054
>boss has super rad moves
>player character can only do some boring slashes and stabs

Boring

>>376505054
how is he delaying his fall after he jumped
its impossible

>>376508876
>contrarian
literally only PC fanbase thinks DaS3 is anything above average

>>376505054
Gael looked so flashy but the fight was so mediocre.

>>376509250
It's a video game.

>>376508876
>contrarian

>uttery broken poise system
>shits on established lore and tries to explain it away with "time is convoluted lmao"
>combat tried to be a balance between ds1 and bb and turned out to be a piss-easy watered down version of both
>linear as fuck
>boring areas

You like a shit game, deal with it.

>>376507723
>boss does churaezy attack
>just spam roll and be save

How can anyone claim that this bossfight is good. Or any fight in DaS3 when rolling is op as fuck.

>>376508763
>>376509281
>>376509327
>it's a "retarded /v/ user discredits anything other than it's own opinion in the fucking internet" episode
face it retards, it's the best entry in the series other than Bloodborne just from the devs having mastered their craft enough. Not any of your shitty opinions will make that false

>>376508876
kill yourself

>>376508105
>my phone is shit so everybody is dumb

>>376509431
Oh yeah and what makes your opinion so objective? I'll go ahead and tell you it's wrong, BB is the best "Souls" game but DaS3 is just as horribly mediocre as 2. There is a very good reason it is the only Souls game I haven't bought and I'm sure I'm a bigger fan of the series than you.

>>376509431
No, it's a boring uninspired game with nothing interesting in it. DaS1 has a better world and characters while BB trick weapons completely shit on those super ebin weapon arts that are worthless most of the time. Also it's linear as fuck and has almost no replay value compared to the other Souls games.

>>376509431
It is definitely not better than DS1 and anyone who claims otherwise is an idiot. It's the most streamlined so far and it's entertaining but it didn't do ANYTHING new

>>376508987
It's fucking retarded and shows gooks don't know shit about western mythos if it's just full of stupidly sized giant knights, dragons and deformed people. There are more winged beasts out there like Griffins, manticores or Oszlugzs .And what's wrong with using coins like a normal fucking game? But what do you expect when it's made by a fucking hack who read english books with shit english skills and just filled the gaps with autistic weeb shit.

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>>376505054
>ow the edge attack

>>376509840
shitposting is a bannable offense and you're not clever or funny. Stop

>>376509584
>>376509685
>So blind they ignore my post where I say Bloodborne is better than all the souls games
And no, DS1 is unfinished, it couldn't ever be better than DS3 simply by having that flaw. It's a simpler and more objective game because it wasn't meant to have sequels, just like Bloodborne, but that doesn't make it better than 3.
All in all, you can have your opinions but saying 2 and 3 are "shit" while this series is better than almost every game in the industry is simply being contrarian for the sake of it.
>>376509796
>it didn't do anything new

>>376510048
The first half of dark souls 1 blows all of dark souls 3 out of the water

>>376505054
I'm not sure if I could play a souls game on my own.

What I mean is I played a little bit of demons souls and didn't touch it again just because it got lost to time, then I started playing Bloodborne and I was totally fine with the mechanics of the game and the combat and shit, but I feel like I would get lost without a guide.

My mate was also playing it and was around most of my own sessions of the game so he would kinda guide me. Never tell me what weapons to use or give me tips for bosses or anything, just if I was unsure of where to go he would point me in the right direction, I'm just terrible at navigation.

Should I just jump into DS3 and try it out or will I just get lost?

>>376509584
>bigger fan of the series
>says Bloodborne is the best
Post discarded, Cuckborne niggers go back to your general

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>>376509974
Sorry your gookshit is a piss poor excuse of a western fantasy game. Only ones to actually get it right are slavs.

>>376510270
Don't worry dark souls 3 is a straight line from beginning to end so you have zero % chance of getting lost
>>376510316
Don't worry /dsg/ I'm sure you'll be able to emulate it in 20 years

>M-M-MUH POIISSSSEEEE
t. autistic R1 mashing shitters who don't understand that poise is a scrub system for bad players who can't time attacks properly so they have to facetank everything with poise. DS1 poise was an absolute joke. DS3 got poise right. The only weapons that should have any kind of hyperarmor frames are heavy weapons, end of discussion. Wanting hyperarmor on fast weapons marks you as a shitter cuckold who can't play the game right.

>>376510336
>Slavs
>Doing anything right

Literal subhumans.

>>376510384
>wanting to play a dumbed-down nigger version of Souls for muh art and muh soundtrack
No thanks, I only play the superior games. Bloodborne isn't a Souls game.

>>376510617
>Bloodborne
>Dumbed down for niggers
>When DS3 exists
LMAOOOOOOO
Bloodborne is by far the most demanding skill wise of the from soft ARPGs
If you mash dodge on a boss you will get BTFO unlike rolly polly souls 3

>>376510763
Does DS3 even have the unbalanced footing damage modifier?

>>376510763
>Bloodborne is by far the most demanding skill wise
Stopped reading there, post ignored

>>376510048
The first part of DaS1 is better than the entirety of DaS3. I can play up through AL in DaS over and over again, while I haven't wanted one time to play any of DaS3 again after initial playthrough.

Playing Dark Souls 3 all I could think was "hey this is in BB but BB does it better! Hey this is in DaS but DaS does it better!" And then I wondered why I would waste money on this game when I already have 2 much much better versions of it that offer actual unique experiences. DaS3 is just DaS and BB mashed together but it doesn't do anything better than either game so why even play it?

>>376510617
>Bloodborne
>Dumbed Down
>The Game where every weapon has two movesets
>The Game where tons of Weapons drain HP in powered up mode
>The fastest moving Soul Game
>Blocking is not even an option

You cannot be this dumb. Next you're going to spout some dumb shit about dodge spamming and blood vials.

>>376510861
Surprised you can read at all you giant ffailure
>>376510846
Probably not. Not that'd even matter when you get 15 free heals at every bonfire that heal your entire health bar and take 1 second to chug.
>>376511013
He's going to say something stupid like "Bloodborne doesn't even have equipment load so it can't be more complicated"

>>376510963
This anon is right

>>376508884
Gael isn't hollow so that doesn't do extra damage

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>>376509281

I have all of the 5 games, I play Souls trilogy on the PC because those are definitive versions of the games.

BB:TOH > DaS3:TFFE > DaS:PTDE > DaS2:SOTFS > DeS.

This is a fact, not up for debate, get cancer you son of a whore.

>>376509327

Poise is not a good gameplay mechanic or system, fuck of shitter. I am so fucking happy DaS3 and Bloodborne raped "poise" and From Software will never include it in their future dark fantasy ARPG games and new IPs.

The Dark Souls 3 lore is fantastic, you are just too retarded to comprehend it, the only flaw is Ornstein, but that plothole is partially the faulth of DaS2.

The combat of DaS3 is easier than Bloodborne, but a lot harder than DaS. DaS combat, just like DeS, is fucking brain dead easy. So is DaS2, fucking easy, once you get enough ADP for your i-frames during dodging. BB and DaS3 are the hardest games out of the Soulsborne, this is a fact.

Linear? Yes, but lesser quality? not at all. The only flaw of DaS3 is the world connectivity, everything else is great.

As for areas, they are great, not boring at all. Want boring? look no further than DeS.

>>376509087
>>376509459

Die from cancer/ebola/aids/accident sons of whores.

>>376509431

This anon is right.

>>376509250
He got so powerful that he's raping gravity or some shit

>>376511254
that's what I mean

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>>376511293
>The Dark Souls 3 lore is fantastic

>>376511293
The only people that want the ds1 poise back are shitters who are too bad to use the new poise or want to be unstoppable while they use rapiers

>>376511293
>poise is not a good gameplay mechanic
>not being constantly staggered when wearing heavy armor isn't good

>>376511432
Not him but it sure as hell is better than the rest of the series
or the ungodly horror that is ds2 lore

>>376511125
>>376511013
Not him but as someone who owns every Souls game, Dark Souls 2 is by far the hardest game. A lot of this could be considered mechanical issues and "artificial" difficulty but this doesn't change the fact that its WAY harder than any of the other games.

>>376511432
To be honest Dark Souls don't have any fantastic lore or story, people are saying it's good only because it's hidden from the player and they need to use their brain to put the pieces together.

>>376511432
>Miyazaki making the player understand the series is going down and should be fucking over through the game's plot without making it completely feel like meta-shit isn't good writing
Again, the only that are better than it is DS1 and Bloodborne because they are self contained and supposed to work only with what they are.

>>376505054
stolen from Berserk

>>376510617
>Muh best-in-series atmosphere.
>Muh best-in-series soundtrack.
>Muh best-in-series razor sharp gameplay.
>Muh best-in-series weapon movesets.
>Muh best-in-series music.
>Muh best-in-series regular enemies.
>Muh best-in-series narrative that is actually conclusive and satisfying.
>Muh arguably best-in-series bosses and level design.
>Muh best-in-series quality control.
>Muh best-in-series alternate forms (beast/kin).
>Muh lack of broken-as-fuck mechanics (poise, infinites, BS spam, ranged and shields being disgustingly OP).
>Muh only game since MGS2 that actually subverts what you think you know.

lol, BB is literally the the only game in the series worth playing over just on gameplay alone.

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>>376511293
This post

>>376511602
The hard parts were shit like "lol let's have the player fight 2 Elephants on a bridge" Bosses were pretty simple since you can only recycle Big Dude in Armor so many times before patterns repeat themselves and you learn how to deal with it.

Oh except for when they just make you fight two of them

For the third time.

>>376511602
>infinite lifememes
>can just equip a big ole greatshield to fuck every attack
>most bossess have no fucking hp whatsoever
i know difficulty is subjective but how the fuck

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>>376511602
I agree with you

>>376508105
>actually asking for phoneposter catering
hang yourself

>>376511548
It doesn't answer anything in the series aside from the fate of Gwyn's firstborn, it introduces so many things that never get resolved or explained (The deep vs the dark/abyss, kaathe cosplaying as angels, angelic faith, people turning into dragons) while continuing the gayness that is dark souls 2''s "Everything is a cycle" bullshit.
Oh, and every fucking thing is a dark souls 1 reference. Some were cool like like Aldritch's theme being a remix of Gwyndolins, the Soul of Cinder, the burnt out stray demon at the bridge, but some shit like Abyss Watchers were so fucking lazy.

>>376511889
>there are people who think this is acceptable

>>376511293
FUCK YOU!!

>>376511825
>infinite lifememes
And? Bloodborne has the "mash R1 to regain HP" mechanic so you don't use as many vials.
>can just equip a big ole greatshield to fuck every attack
This isn't DS3, DS2 stamina makes greatshields a lot harder to use
>most bossess have no fucking hp whatsoever
Objectively incorrect

>>376511925
Alright
the deep is probably just the abyss but like,deeper(but we have no clue on this so i'll give you that)
The angels are abyssal abominations from londor, kaathe rules londor so it's obvious that to their followers they would speak of kaathe as something akin to god
people turning into dragons is literally nothing new
also aldrich is a shit boss and the soul of cinder is completely fine(except for the phase 2 music, gwyn's music already sucked ass so i wasn't looking foward for that)

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>>376511889
>I can overcome it means it is not dog feces
>Ds1fags to defend this shit

>>376508235
Its worse than you think anon
Iphones can't do webms from my experience

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>>376510558
Well those sub-humans manage to create actual cities and use monsters that goes beyond deformed people and dragons you faggot. And also a better world with actual maps.

>>376512123
>And? Bloodborne has the "mash R1 to regain HP" mechanic so you don't use as many vials.
both shit mechanics
>This isn't DS3, DS2 stamina makes greatshields a lot harder to use
objectively wrong desu
>Objectively incorrect
maybe i had an overpowered as fuck build but i remember bosses going down in seconds(except for dlc and ancient dickface)

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Fucking Soulsfags

>>376512179
>(except for the phase 2 music, gwyn's music already sucked ass so i wasn't looking foward for that)
why do you have to do this

>>376512179
>kaathe rules londor so it's obvious that to their followers they would speak of kaathe as something akin to god
That makes sense, but the primordial serpent angel statues are found on the way to Lothric Princes, it doesn't make any sense how they'd know of him or care about him and Londor's influence doesn't spread that far
people have turned into dragons through the stones yeah but shit like pilgrim butterflies/pus of man is people's humanity causing them to become more draconic which makes no sense

>>376512314
Just because ds1 has atrocities like this it doesn't mean that they defend it
yes, bed of chaos is garbage
so is that hallway
stop being a faggot

>>376512352
Early game bosses are made of glass, good luck bringing down late game bosses or DLC bosses in "seconds"

>>376512394
But anon I owned Otogi and Otogi 2

>>376511889
>>376511602
Agreed.

SOTFS was my fourth Soulsborne (BB-DeS-DaS1-SOTFS) game and without a doubt the hardest one. Too bad it was hard in a bullshit and not-fun way unlike the others.

>>376512314
I don't think anyone will defend Bed of Chaos.

>>376508105
Get VLC from apple store you braindead retard

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>Who gets to go first?
>How about... me?

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>>376505054
Why does this gookmade Soulshit have nothing but dragons up the ass? Do japs not know other winged beasts exist too?

>>376512345
Well then instead of posting that Witcher trash post a slav game that does all that. I'm waiting.

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>>376512345
>witcher faggot

please leave this board and take your trash game with you.

>>376512394
Otogi 1 blew, lol.
It least cite properly patrician like Shadow Tower: Abyss.

>>376511889
>you had to do this shit every time to get to the boss fog

I still have PTSD from my first run.

>DS2 is hard
Hex one shots everything
>b-b-but you're using magic
Mace destroy every boss. Dual Stance mace staggers boss and 4 shots them.

>>376507964
for parries, duh

>>376512449
>That makes sense, but the primordial serpent angel statues are found on the way to Lothric Princes, it doesn't make any sense how they'd know of him or care about him
the angels were trying to prevent the linking of the fire
the crippled gays dont want to link the fire
it makes sense to me
>Londor's influence doesn't spread that far
londor has no influence, everybody hates those bastards, but by masking themselves with shit like the angels they can influence things
>people have turned into dragons through the stones yeah but shit like pilgrim butterflies/pus of man is people's humanity causing them to become more draconic which makes no sense
calling the pilgirm butterflies draconic is a bit of a stretch really, they're long and have wings but they look nothing like dragons to me
about the puss of man, people with lots of humanity turn into horned monsters so i guess it makes sense

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>>376512656
>t.Soulshitweebs
You and gooks should be barred from anything related to weatern fantasy.

>>376512634
Griffons > Dragons

>>376512634
>didn't play the games: the shitpost

>>376512764
>can't even spell the genre he is high-horsing about

>>376512471
I explicitly said "except for dlc bosses"
again maybe i had overpowered weapons but even late bosses like nashandra or the watchers seemed as if they were made of paper

>>376512771
Anything over the most generic, overused shit in any game. Witcher was pretty good having multiple, different draconids and flying creatures like Basilisks, Cockatrices and Forktails.

>>376511889
>>376512710
I remember hating this place to death. Isn't that in one of the dlc? The second one, right? That's the one I never replayed.

>>376512847
Oh please show me something that isn't a fucking dragon or a deformed person with wings growing out his back in this trashy gookshit series you fag.

>>376512764
Witcherfags are the shitstain of the bamham combat community

>>376512954
>Basilisks, Cockatrices and Forktails
>literally the same enemy with different design
I'm supposed to be impressed with that?

>>376511889
that triggered something in me that I forgot was there

>>376512764
It's fine Jakub, your country made a single good game and you're allowed to live that up but at some point you need to give the shitposting a rest.

>>376511889
>the salamander doesn't even have a fucking animation

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>>376513051
get BTFO nigger

>>376507723
Man I love this boss. And I love DS3 in general, fuck the naysayers with shit taste.

>>376513235
>salamander
Are you retarded?

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>>376513238
BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE

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>>376513051
someone posted the Guardian

I love both TW and DS.

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>>376513051
you can go kys now shitposter
>>376513342
reply to him, not yourself
>>376513592
Some people are not capable of liking one without shitposting about the other, so this shit happens

>>376513592
Wait, wait, wait.....are you telling me....that a person can enjoy......both japanese and western games? T-this cannot be! You're lying!

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>>376513051

>>376513051

Bell Gargoyles, Grand Archives/Profaned Capital Gargoyles。

Crow demons, "angels", the manta ray shit in DeS。

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>>376513051
I bet you already left in shame of your pathetic post

>>376513685
>>376513775
>>376513471
Hate to poop at the party, but if you had read the comment chain (and it's only like 3 other comments) you'd know that he wants enemies with wings that aren't dragons or deformed people. None of those bosses are good answers. In fairness, the question is pretty retarded though.

>>376514269
How are any of these bosses deformed people or dragons?

>>376514374
oh my god, read the chain. None of those bosses have WINGS, which is what the whole discussion started over

>>376514374
>enemies with wings that aren't dragons or deformed people.
>with wings

>>376514374
Technically the covetous demon is a deformed person

>>376511889
>there are people in this thread, right now, who don't think DS2 is the absolute shittiest Souls game ever made
Something must've gone really wrong during their childhoods.

>>376513315
http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Fire+Salamander

??

>>376514447
>>376514468
Well, fuck me then

>>376514695
It's a statue

>>376509327
>current year
>people still don't understand that poise in DS3 is and has always been connected to "hyper armour" on the attacks that have it

>>376514634
worst souls game
still a good game

>>376514751
!

Well I tried it twice that run and never made it and gave up. It's not like it'd be the first time the ds2 team forgot add certain animations.

>>376514753
>thinking that makes poise viable at all

>>376514807
I agree, and it still competes and even surpasses a lot of other big name rpgs.

>>376507723
This sums up the problem of DaS3 so, so much

How does nobody else see it?

Rolls are way too fucking cheap and safe, so the only way to make bosses pressure the player is to give them 8 second long combos that require like 5 rolls to dodge and it's just an arms race from there. Pontiff had like 8 part combos

The problem that stems from this is it forces you into that style of gameplay - shields become absolutely worthless because you cant block 8 parts of a combo without staggering even with a greatshield - not to mention the split damage meaning you take chip damage anyway

>>376514932
>absolutely think ds2 is the worst souls game by a massive margin
>think ds2 has a ton of infuriating design decisions
>I'd rather replay ds2 a million times over instead of playing tw2/3

>>376514932
really if it just had better graphics, better weapon attack sounds, and bosses with a bit more diverse movesets, it would be miles better than 3. Oh, and the whole soul memory thing, that was weird.

>>376508105
Install VLC, webms automatically open in it.

>>376515041
Yeah I hate Pontiff for that exact reason. Enemies/bosses get 5 hit crazy combos and the player has time to get in one hit, two if he's using a fast weapon

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>>376511293
Sounds like someone got their feelings hurt by dad one too many times.

>>376515041

SO FUCKING WHAT YOU DUMB NIGGER?

Better than DaS2, DeS and DaS in which you don't even need to roll, you can just go to the side and behind the enemy (99% of them) and spam attack and they do nothing, these 3 games are so dumbed down and easy, they ARE FUCKING EASY, THE COMBAT IS A JOKE.

DaS3 and BB have the best combat and difficulty.

>>376505054
>anime flippy shit

And this is why I prefer das1 and des.

>>376515382
difficulty isn't everything you retarded faggot
or did you fall for Namco advertising "le prepare to die XD"
Fuck off idiot

>>376514892
>thinking that's what viable means
There are many ways of reducing the damage you take and even more ways of healing back the damage you took. If you can't measure your health then that's your issue and you need to get better at judging when to swing.

This thread has gone to shit, I won't be another maggot crawling in the pile

>>376515382
>hurrr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G3s8qV_N6Q

Seems like the best fight in das3 is exactly what you said.

>>376515594

I didn't fall for shit, except for falling asleep during DaS, DeS and DaS2, because the combat in those games are sooooo dumbed down and easy, how can anyone have any issues with them? Those games are EASY AS FUCK, bosses make me laugh in those games.

DaS3 and BB, now that is greatness, great bosses, great music, great experience, great graphics, everything is great, GREAT FAST GAMEPLAY.

Thank god From Software is going in the direction of DaS3 and BB with ALL THEIR FUTURE DARK FANTASY ARPG AND NEW IPs, NEVER EVER AGAIN will we have poise or the slow and easy combat of DeS, DaS, DaS2.

GET OVER IT FAGGOTS.

Stop being high on NOSTALGIA, get cancer and die.

DaS3 and BB = the bestest of the best.

>>376515382
Yeah sidestepping out the way us terrible but BBBBBBBBBBBBB r1 BBBBBBBBBBBBBBB is so much better

Bloodborne got it right because the pacing of the game was totally different and most of the attacks you had to multi dodge were feral beasts tard raging and had long recoveries because they wore themselves out

Also if you think you didn't have to roll in old souls or that you can't circlestab basically anything in 3 you're wrong on both counts

>>376515690
>hurrr
Poise and hyper armor are not the same. Stop being a faggot.

>its okay for a dagger wielding hollow from the first area to stagger a man in full plate/stone armor

I mean if your a fag sure

>>376515759

At least that takes skill and dedication and is the exception, NOT THE NORM, in DeS, DaS, DaS2 that is the NORM, takes no SKILL, no DEDICATION, anyone can do it and everyone does.

BB and DaS3 = THE BESTEST OF THE BEST.

>>376515798
tl:dr nerd

>>376515798
>defending this combat system
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPJH43vZRaY

>>376515805

It doesn't matter, combat in DaS3 is still better than older Souls, thanks to BLOODBORNE :)

I fucking love how Bloodborne influenced DaS3, my 2 favorite games. Fuck poise, fuck slowness, get cancer and die :)

The slow gameplay will NEVER EVER come back. From Software is working on a new dark fantasy ARPG and it will be fast like BB and DaS3 :)

STAY KEKED.

>Games are about exploring intriguing worlds and piecing together what happened yourself
>Autists get into their mind that someone they're meant to be super hardcore action RPGs with amazing combat

>>376515874
>straight from the description
>This isn't all that hard, it's just a kinda long fight and there's a good bit of things that can go wrong with it.

But no, tell me how the person doing it os wrong.

DaS3 and BB are the easiest souls games mechanically.
Get over it

>>376508105

Retard.

>>376515939

>muh pvp

kek, kys subhuman.

>>376515382
>Better than DaS2, DeS and DaS in which you don't even need to roll, you can just go to the side and behind the enemy (99% of them) and spam attack and they do nothing

>Having more options against a boss than rolling or parrying
>THE COMBAT IS A JOKE

That's called having combat depth. Something hard for beginners to notice but for experts to master, and it makes fights more rewarding and enjoyable. Ironic how you don't know what depth looks like, as all you do is shill Dark Souls 3 all day.

It's almost as if there's a correlation between the two.

>>376515041
I have this debate with people all the time. The rolling in 3 is beyond fucked and is basically a get out of jail free card.

>>376516574
>Walking behind boss and hitting him until he dies is depth

>>376515847
Except they literally are in the case of DS3. Poise is "the ability to withstand attacks without breaking form", and this comes into effect during certain attacks and skills from certain weapons, letting you do so with those attacks for longer. This doesn't change the use of it if you're actually using it to break through enemy attacks that you see coming. This is not the first time stat application has changed in the series either, this ultimately comes down to you getting mad you can't wear a suit of big armour and waltz through attacks without any input. Also the "realism" defense isn't doing you any favours, and just wearing armour doesn't stop you from staggering if you don't see something coming. Having a mechanic that actually serves the gameplay should come first.

>>376515041
This is the truth. In fact, armor itself hardly matters outside of some small elemental protections, and so long as you have something in an armor slot you're pretty much good to go for the whole game, so long as you can fast roll.

>>376515382
>>376516017
>>376515874
Please stop posting. I'm not sure if you're doing this ironically but it isn't funny. BB is legitimately good in terms of gameplay, because it follows its own rules with only secondary implementation of DaS gameplay.

>>376516748
You just described most bosses in DaS3.

>>376516748
If you're referring to how 99% of Souls bosses can be beaten, even in DaS3 and Bloodborne, then you're arguing none of the games have depth.

>>376516748
That's literally every Souls game.

>>376516764
>in giant heavy armor
>have shield up or weapon out and am braced from many angles
>get hit slightly off angle of the shield
>staggered into oblivion by shamblers
I remember when different builds were not only viable but worth playing.
Back when I could make a flippy ninja or a walking slab of iron, or even a mage in either weight class. Good times

Too bad thats gone now

Hyper Goner

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>>376505054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTc9sLmOR0A

>>376507038
>not understanding that you are the boss in souls games

>>376516995

BLOODBORNE IS THE BEST, CLOSELY FOLLOWED BY DARK SOULS 3.

DeS, DaS, DaS2 are nowhere near the greatness of BB and DaS3.

Fuck off nostalgia whore.

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>>376513051
what's with the assblasted westacucks lately?

Souls literally does euromedieval mythology more faithfully and depthfully than the west, yet you have these assfucks not nowing shit either about mythology nor the game yet they insist on shitposting just because it's a japanese game.

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>>376517443
You seem to not have an argument. Please find one before posting back, or else you might look like an idiot. Again.

>>376517381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPuiXp5m55M

>>376513051
Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne are the most western games in the series. They're British as hell and half the cast speaks Old English.

>>376517032
This works on only a few bosses in BB though. Most of them either hop back (with a hitbox no less), swipe you out of thier nuts, or AoE/360°.

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>>376517651
What this fuck is this.

Literally Guts

>>376517102
>get surrounded, already a red flag
>get attacked from a side you're not protecting while not fighting back
>is surprised you get staggered
Yes this is definitely not a "viable" method of playing the game, surely the fault doesn't lie with you just not adapting or using basic gameplay skills. Fun fact, all those builds can work fine if you actually play the game instead of being pigheaded, and there's even a spell that does exactly what you want, but since it's not exactly what you're used to it must not be "viable". The only real change with poise that matters is that you have to be active in implementing it, instead of having a get out of jail free card in a game specifically about risk and reward and paying attention to your surroundings and enemies.

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>>376518046
a more badass boss attack :^)

>>376517619

???

He is right. BB and DaS3 are the best.

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>people saying DS3 is bad

>>376518020
>most of them hop back (with a hitbox no less), swipe you out of their nuts, or AoE/360

So do most bosses in DaS and DaS2.

This is why making blanket statements about only one side of the series and not the other, doesn't work.

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>>376507723
>It's a roll spam to avoid the boss's 10 hit wombo combo boss fight

Literally a shittiier Orphan. They even re-used his lightning attack for some fucking reason.

>>376517102
>This dillusion.
Every build was the same and followed a braindead formula:
Stack poise as high as possible while maintaining max roll or flip.

Anything else was literally handicapping yourself like a retarded idiot. These builds have been the same since DeS since movement is always the number 1 priority. I love how people pretend that this shit represented "choice", when the choice was about as urgent as someone wondering "should I pump every last point into Resistance or not?"

t. dude that originally discovered the poise BPs in dks1.

>>376518112
That look he gives at the end. He is all like I might be chibi but I'll still fuck your shit up.

>>376516017
It's legitimately not healthy to do this

>>376518343
The difference is the BB bosses do it when it's smart to do it.
Artorias for example just panic rolls with no rhyme or reason to it, and throws his splash attack regardless of your position. BB bosses with change their combos due to your position to keep themselves safe fairly often. You can even it draw out certain attacks reliably this way.

>>376518175

Not people, but contrarian subhuman sons of cancer whores.

>>376508105
Not only is he a phoneposter, he's also an appledrone.
just fuck off, 20 bucks says you started coming here in the last 3 years

>>376518575
>implying in every souls game there was something more than roll spamm to avoid a boss' attack
alright what e-celeb started this meme

>>376518175
>>376518173
DaS3 is legitimately the worst though.

>Garbage lore
>Garbage PvP (Good luck invading anyone who doesn't have 2 phantoms)
>Literally more linear than DaS2 of all games
>Build count is way down compared to other games
>Absolute shit weapon balance
>Bosses are usually good, but the bad ones (Ancient Wyvern, Greatwood) are really bad
>Even then, bosses have very little depth, even compared to DaS2
>Gameplay recycles too much from BB, with every advantage given to faster characters
>Even fashion is a hefty drop off from previous entries, made worse by the lack of viable builds
>Effectively zero replayability

And the worst part is that people like >>376519034 will still deny everything because they think being more like BB is a good thing.

>>124926051
someone post the webm of sister friede executing you with 2 scythes at once

>>376519361
You actually run out of stamina from rolling in other Souls games so yes it is sometimes better not to. There's no real over-reliance on the mechanic.

>>376519517
No thanks
with the ds2 spergs baiting we already have enough edge

>>376519034
At this point it's contrarian to love das3 though

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>>376519592
The only spergs here are the ones defending 3 though, Anon.

>>376519541
>running out of stamina in ds1 where the cloranthy ring gave you 90 times the regen it gives you now
>running out of stamina in ds2 where you literally need to roll once to get out of a boss' entire range
blacknwhitefishwithahook.png

>>376512669
The fuck is the WEBM even demonstrating?

>>376518583
Thats just wrong. Poise and a good shield could carry you through all of DaS1 and DeS without ever using i-frames, das1 because poise and des because each encounter was designed very well.

Thats just not a fun build anymore and its dumb as hell that muh balance is more important than fun and variety.

There's a reason DeS never got patched, PvP was never the point. DaS1 was better pre-patch as well before it was made easy as shit.

>>376519738
>being this desperate for yous

>>376519789
This is why I got bored with DaS3

Before you had to actually think ahead and rolling 12 times wasnt a guaranteed escape. Gael would have been amazing to fight in DaS1

>>376519789
Nice shit fashion and katana

>>376518926
>BB bosses with change their combos due to your position to keep themselves safe fairly often. You can even it draw out certain attacks reliably this way.

Every boss in the series has something like this. It's part of how their attacks are chosen in the code.

For instance you can bait the same thrusting attack from smelter demon by staying to the left and at decent range.

>>376520165
Always hated this
this series has one of the worst AIs in the history of vydia

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>>376520165
>Fume Knight is programmed to rush anyone who pops Estus

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>>376505054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn4zFax7HgA

>>376520050
Yeah they were a bit roll-heavy in this game. Even bloodborne was less forgiving with their dashes, which is saying something.

>>376518926
>he actually thinks BB isnt 90% re-used code

Thats literally how From does business.

>>376519903
First off, DeS was patched, specifically for PvP, but you didn't know that did you? The patch was included on disc in the NA version, but the original JP/Korean intl version had all kinds of fuckery, like negative stats builds (aka. letting Allant soulsucker your stats into the negatives so you could get like an extra 100 or so points to work with at the same SL.

Also, poise and a good shield aren't separate from having the fastest roll or flip. That was the problem with poise in the first place, you were never forced to choose. You could have your cake and eat it too.

Also, the encounters weren't designed well. This is why sheids and ranged basically wreck the first two games.

Also, you don't get to pick what's fun. For me, BB is easily the only game worth going back to despite no encumbrance stat and no poise because the gameplay is tight

>>376521125
Shields aren't that good in DeS

>>376519789
>7 rolls in a row
>not even half stamina
hahaha this fucking game

>>376521125
>This is why sheids and ranged basically wreck the first two games.
Everything destroys in those games you idiot.

>poise and a good shield aren't separate from having the fastest roll or flip
Thats not a problem with the system, just over powered gear like the wolf ring and havels or black iron.

>you don't get to pick what's fun
>hurr only get rid of what i dont like instead of letting everyone have fun
>>376521269
Greatshield was stronk as fuck just like every other top gear in their respective category, what are you on? I mean you can literally walk through dragon flames and the flamelurker with that one purple shield. Then proceed to get raped in other areas because DeS actually wanted you to use different gear in different areas.

>inb4 being able to play how you want is seen as a bad thing and you should only be allowed to play how fags want

>>376521269
DSS and Purple Flame shit all over DeS. That's not even counting shit like Biorr's shield or Tower.

>>376519903
>every build was the same: stack poise as high as possible
>Poise and a good shield could carry you through all of DaS1
You just proved his exact point, poise trumped everything and you could use it with anything so there was no reason not to use it. I don't even know what you're trying to say in this post actually. Poise is a better design because you can take hits without having to avoid them and you can block everything? That's not true on multiple levels, at least you're right in that the game was better before patched to be made easier. But why is being able to take hits freely without stagger or any thought from the player outside of "I'll equip this" and then doing what you want better than judging the timing of an attack and making a conscious effort to evade it before deciding on a counter based on where you are?
And as someone who played through the whole game generally without poise at all, the few times I tried it out removed almost all tension from any encounter, and yet there's no reason whatsoever to not give yourself access to it from a gameplay standpoint. Passive poise is not at all conclusive to fun or variety as you say, it promotes stagnation and laziness.

>>376521825
>Everything destroys those games.
Yes, but it least without a shield and without ranged you have to actually learn how to play the game instead of practically ignoring enemies completely unable to do a thing about shields or ranged.

That is precisely a problem with the system however. You want to know what would happen if you couldn't use poise and maintain a fast roll? 100% of people with a functional frontal lobe would pick the fastest roll. That's why the existence of poise is a joke.

Also, I just said BB was heavenly, so I have no complaints. The developers agree with me it seems, and view DkS1 as the antiquated and broken piece of shit that it is, thank god.

>>376511925
>the Deep is not explained
>Kaathe == angels
>angelic faith never explained
>people turning into dragons never explained
You are so FUCKING STUPID OH MY FUCKING GOD

>>376522072
>hurr scrap the entire system and all builds that rely on it because a few pieces of broken equipment

Fuck off.
I want them to make a game where being a walking slab of iron and swinging a dragon bone is both viable and feels heavy as shit. I also want to be able to make a new character with ninja flips and daggers/katanas so I can have this funny thing called variety.

>>376522245
>you have to actually learn how to play the game
Learn to play the way you want is what you are saying right?

>You want to know what would happen if you couldn't use poise and maintain a fast roll? 100% of people with a functional frontal lobe would pick the fastest roll. That's why the existence of poise is a joke.
Or you could make the damage redusction and poise outweigh the lack of being able to move so a shithead with a dagger cant stunlock you into oblivion. The trade off is that you cant mid roll. But no keep blaming poise for From complete lack of ability to make a game.

>a game that lets you play your own way is bad now
>people think From is actually a good company
They are shit, are awful at mechanics and programming and fantastic at ideas and presentation, been that way since ps1.
I'm out

conserving stamina while using a greatshield and timing the windows in which you can lower your shield for a breather inbetween the boss attacks, as well as factoring in your own stamina costs for attacking, is inherently more skillful and demanding than mashing rolls

>>376522658
Okay, I'm going to cut through your arguments and just tell you how to bring back DkS1 poise and shields, since you seem obsessed with it and this could go on all day.

Poise cannot penalize movement. It wont work. Nobody will ever pick it if it does. So, make it penalize something else. Namely, stamina consumption (outside of probably blocking). Every point of stamina used in attacking, running, and rolling should be taxed. This already happens in most of the games, but it needs to be much more severe, like a 2% penalty to actions for every point of poise (aka at 75 poise, actions cost 150% more stamina).
Also, every enemy and moveset should have one move that ignores poise (like the DaS1 kick, but allow it to chain into a single attack for damage).

If you want to return to powerful shields, every enemy and weapon needs hard guardbreaks or unblockables.

>>376523535
That works too.

And guess what, you just came up with something from is too retarded to figure out over 3 games thats not only better that what they came up with in 3 but adds to the depth of builds.

So tell me again how poise is a bad thing?

And how about for poise affecting movement, the super armors like havels and other insanely OP shit does, each piece would have a percentage penalty.

That way you can wear normal knight armors and feel like its not pointless to wear it but if you want to be broken you have huge penalties.

I just want havels/stone to feel like it should at this point of the convo since the rest has been worked out.

>>376508105
>I can't see your shitty webm from my mobile device

Upgrade your phone, grandpa.

>>376523535
>If you want to return to powerful shields, every enemy and weapon needs hard guardbreaks
See this I don't understand, some enemies in dark souls 3 can do this like the Lothric Knights in their stance attacks. But then they don't let other enemies in the game do it so they just make shields shit, I don't understand From.

>>376523910
I can only evaluate existing versions of poise and not theoretical ones?

Also, since it it's a sliding scale penality, it will hold up well with insanely OP armors to the point where you can only do one action before exhausting yourself.

>>376524103
Well, there track record is shit.

>>376523535
What you described is actually similar to how Nioh used to do it. Before Toughness was fully implemented, in the Alpha and Beta you would gain hyper armour on your attacks based on your agility class. Being lighter would increase your roll distance and lower your Ki costs on attacking, running and dodging, but increase them on blocking, while being heavier did the opposite.

>>376523535
You described... exactly how it works in Dark Souls 2.

If you have over 65% equip load your stamina recovery is pretty bad and so is your consumption. Rolls are also pretty eh.

And I don't think it's possible to have 100 poise and still have 50% equip load unless you're over 200SL or something.

You probably knew this already, idk.

Also, a 1h UGS R1 does immediate 50 poise damage and the 2h R2 (as far as I know) can't be poised unless you have 100 or more, and even if you stack 100 poise, it's basically invalidated if someone uses Stone Ring; also a good counter to poise in the game.

Poise also stops working if it's broken, and has to recharge again. So basically you're stuck with whatever your poise dropped to if the opponent doesn't let it recharge.

Idk how much different this is from what you meant, just thought it sounded pretty in line with it.

I keep getting connection error for some reason when trying to (You) but you know who I'm replying to I'm sure.
>durr if I pretend he said something he didn't then it'll let me sound like I'm the smart one
Again you keep acting like having a stat work in a way so blatantly powerful and easy to get that every character should be using it is """"variety"""", while ironically ignoring that even in DS3 you can do exactly what you're talking about. If you stack poise and wear the heaviest armour nothing can stop you from swinging that big dragon bone short of the dragon it was attached to. Real variety can only come with having poise give the downside it was originally designed to to set it apart from any other build, which is mostly impossible unless they go to extremes since there will always be ways around the stats. You want to have to actually pay for being unable to be staggered at all with a loss of movement? Iron Flesh exists and has since DS1, try using it. It is essentially balanced passive poise and is a much better implemented form of the extreme I mentioned above. But it requires some actual thought of when best to use it, like how DS3 poise requires thought of when to attack rather than just letting them hit you and being rewarded for it.

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>>376505054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeSKJQjINrQ

>>376524103
An enemy's repeated combo attack is pretty much their own form of guard break, except you can block the first few hits and roll out or attack when you think it'll be best so I don't really know why that makes shields shit.

>>376515798
>I like mashing r1 to win
tard

>>376525284
>DS3 poise requires thought of when to attack

>rather than just letting them hit you and being rewarded for it.

...Except that's the ONLY way to activate hyperarmor. You yourself have plenty of things to consider before activating hyperarmor, but what options does it give your opponent? Don't they just get punished for attacking you? Without any of the direct counterplay an active and breakable poise system (the one bosses use) would have?

It's really not a good idea to design poise like parrying because failing your parry means doing no damage, as well as taking damage yourself. There's inherent risk.

Hyperarmor however has no punishment for timing poorly because either your opponent takes direct damage, or doesn't. You don't have to get backstabbed either, because you can just break lock-on and turn if need be. You yourself aren't punished, making it essentially no different from how it has always been even though it tries to seem like it is.

I don't see how this furthers the argument that hyperarmor is more skillful than poise.

In fact I don't see how either is more skillful. They're both equally rewarding; hyperarmor even doing so in less exploitable, although less skillfully predictable ways.

>>376505054

Same DLC, Midir's LAZZOR attack

>>376515041
3 is my favourite but I agree regardless
I'm terrible at souls games overall but I can one-try a lot of das3 bosses just because I roll

>>376513592
me too

>>376525048
Lettme' further explain then.

Stam recovery penalties and usage penalties are extremely different downsides. The stam recovery thing has been in since DeS.

Also, you're saying "well, some ultra greatsword always shits on poise", which isn't the same as all weapons having viable answers or relying on outside equipment. On top of that, enemies need these tools too.
One of the reasons poise has a negative connotation to it, is because it shits on tons of weapons and enemies.

Also, poise is much less gamebreaking in DaS2 frankly. My initial statement was "this is how you bring back DaS1 poise", which isn't at all what I pictured when you make mention of DaS2 poise.

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>>376508105
>buying ishit

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>>376508105
>using an apple product
>trying to act superior to literally anything

As close as a Guts fight as we could get

>>376527295
>that's the ONLY way to activate hyperarmor
Not really, perhaps in the sense that they're mainly attacks but there are many weapon skills that are different to each other with it, some of which aren't attacks. For what options it gives your opponent, yes it makes attacking a riskier proposition, but not moreso than a passive poise system does, and I don't know why you would think that. Passive poise has all the benefits at all times, with a hyperarmour style system there still exists the option of baiting attacks and punishing, or trying to catch them offguard, which allows a much more interesting ebb and flow to combat with more of a focus on timing attacks correctly. Passive poise means you don't have to act specifically to counter and blow through potential attacks, just wait until they swing and swing yourself since you'll catch their recovery. Breaking poise exists with both systems as well. Also just to be clear I'm not sure if you're thinking of PvE or PvP when you mention opponent's options. I'm generally talking about both as well as combat and exploration, but really your opponent has less options with passive poise since again, it's always on. That's why bosses with it are designed to have punishable recovery and startup on many attacks, as well as to not only react when you attack.

Hyperarmour in action has less punishment (bad timing/spacing can mean you miss), but it does have a cost. Normally in health but also due to requiring heavier weapons or armour. Weighing that cost both outside and in combat is more important when it's specifically tied to actions, and in that sense there's more depth as well as skill in timing and spacing attacks to make use of it best. Passive poise is only tied to armour rather than moveset, so there's no real "using" it, in the way you would use hyperarmour. It's just there as a safety net, which changes it's impact significantly in exploration as well as combat even if it just looks similar.

I don't have an image of it but in Asura's Wrath, Chakravartin throwing planets and stars at you as you fly through intetstellar space after growing to be planet sized

>>376508105
(You)..

>>376505054
FINAL CRASH

does nobody else think that lazer demon prince is a great fight?

https://youtu.be/NJRm85cFXw0?t=3m

>>376532775
Demon Prince was the only boss I had fun with in TRC desu

>>376508105
My old 2012 phone can open them, why yours cant?

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>>376527926

got you covered senpai

>>376533548
>when your pet lizard watches Godzilla

>>376507723
That looks like shit. The animation is all choppy, looks unfinished

>>376505054
Fiend Genshin's grab from Ninja Gaiden

Can't find any footage because the only people who seem to play these games to the end are the ones who are good at it.

>>376509239
That's why you play action games and not SoulsShit

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>>376511535
>Wanting Poise AND Hyper Armor for Ultra Greatswords

That's one amazing kind of faggotry you try to advocate.

Soulsfaggots are fucking cancer, i'd line you all up and execute you if i fucking could. Just look at this fucking thread.

>>376533548
>Not posting the part where he breathes regular fire on the floor and then channels that laser

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>>376511602
If you’re including DLC, you’re completely correct. Raime/Alonne/Ivory/Lud and Zallen all together are a tricky bunch.

If you’re doing base game, not even slightly. Easiest by far. Myself and two of my friends have done separate no-death runs on the base game for the ring.

>>376529638
>you're a Fa-La-So
what?

>>376536429
>not wearing Artorias' skinny chicken legs
faggot

>>376521683
That's what happens when you dump a ton of points into a stat. You get a lot of that stat. What part of this is surprising?