>attack misses >even though you can see your weapon visually

>>376499798
>TES
>Combat
It was your fault for expecting anything.

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Woooooow you mean I have to use my imagination, that's for fucking babies

>>376499798
There's blood coming out and a sound if you hit. There's an indicator.
Why would the animation change if you're attacking without stamina?
It's an old game that tried to fuse 3d exploration gameplay with D&D dice rolling mechanics.
Play more recent games if you're discontent with dated gameplay.

>>376499948
>actually tells you that weapon is not effective
>multiple striking animations

morrowind with a mistake

Play with a mage/alchemist. Playing Morrowind with a warrior is a waste of time unless you are autistic.

>>376500090
This. Morrowind is ONLY good if you play a dedicated wizard.

I also suggest finding the mod that makes it so the wait command refills your mana bar

>>376500150
>i suggest getting a mod to let you cheat easier
morrowind players everyone, fucking awful

>>376500238
Why does waiting in a bed for 1 hour make you have full mana but waiting in a safe, secluded place doesn't? Doesn't make any sense

>RPG game have RPG gameplay
Wow, why did they do this?

>dumb morrowind shill thread
>le miss attack all teh tiem xD

Sage

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>tfw there will never be a game as good as Morrowind

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>>376500803
shut up, nostalgia-bias-cuck

>Make a small mod
>Magicka regens at a rate based on your total Intelligence and Willpower
>Set social and armour skills to govern attributes normally reserved for weapons
>Set all starting weapon skills to 100

There, just fixed 99% of newfag gripes. Takes 5 minutes to do, makes mages a lot more playable, makes a social character entirely possible and not shit in combat and makes you always hit with your chosen weapons.

Weapon skill increases Hit% only. Damage is still dependent on strength and the weapon itself.

VTMB fixes these "flaws" but the combat sucks in comparison to morrowind. Explain this.

>>376500003
I can't tell if this is some advanced irony, a meme I missed, or if there are people on /v/ that can't tell daggerfall and morrowind apart

>>376500896
nice false flag, faggot

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>>376500803
Feels bad man. These damn kids will never experience the greatest game ever made in its full glory. Just their dumbed down """""action""""" RPGs.

>>376501458
i'm saying that those features are great and that morrowind is a mistake for not having them

game literally went backwards

>>376501458

>I'm retarded: the post

He's pointing out that Daggerfall had better animations and a message that you missed, whereas Morrowind has neither.

>>376501523
but morrowind went forwards by making ghosts the only enemies that are immune to certain materials

>>376500003
Morrowind also has multiple striking animations...

Did you even play the game?

>>376501523
Morrowind does have multiple swing animations, but most people never see them because you can't use them with the "always use best attack" option turned on.

If anything the flaw there was actually giving weapons different attack values for chopping/slashing/stabbing attacks, even though there aren't separate physical resistances or varying hitboxes for different types of attack, so there's no reason to ever use any attack except the one that does the most damage.

>>376500003
Morrowind used sound effects to tell you whether a weapon was effective or not.

Morrowind also has slash, thrust, and sideways attack animations as well. You probably set the damn thing to auto attack using only whatever kind of attack of those three does the most damage from your weapon (it's in the options menu.)

>>376501676
Not true at all. Virtually all daedra are immune to normal weapons. Clannfears and Winged Twilights are the only ones that aren't.

REMINDER THAT
>Every TES game is equally shit
>people are hardwired to defend their favorite, usually first TES and won't listen otherwise
>for everything a TES does good it does 2 things badly
>using mods as a reason for why a game is so great isn't a valid reason, you aren't ppaying TES at that point you're playing Beastiality Loli Futa Rape Simulator
>don't bring up lore in an argument about the quality of a TES game, it's always a sidetrack people use when they lack a good reason to call something shit even thoigh most TES lore remains unchanged and out of the games entirely

>>376501725
They actually planned on having something like that, it was another limitation of the engine stopping them from doing it. They just kept the different attacks types in because "fuck we already made them, so why not?"

>>376499948
How are the first two Elder Scroll games as dungeon crawlers?

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Bait threads are shit.

>>376501902
Jokes on you, ESO isn't my first Elder Scrolls game yet it's undoubtedly the best.

>>376499798
>the game gives no indication at all that you miss with the only indicator is if the health bar goes down
wrong

>why do people like this game?
because most people understand what a RPG really is unlike most gen-Z shitters like you

>>376501902
>you're playing beastiality loli futa rape simulator
But morrowind doesn't even have sex mods, or if it does it's nothing that impressive. The sex mod scene didn't take off until oblivion.

>>376501597
Morrowind did have multiple animations which is what got me confused. Glad to see you never played the game and are only shitting up the thread

>>376501985
Jokes on you, I also love ESO but I can give yoy reasons why its just as shit as other TES games
>UI breaks constantly
>NPCs commonly spawn under or inside of objects or simply don't spawn at all
>Balance changes are constantly either making classes worthless, like DK in morrowind, or broken and overpowered, like magsorc in morrowind
>crafting system requires 3 months of devotion at a minimum if you want to craft the best quality items for one of the equipment craft trees
>dungeons are only either piss easy (Fungal grotto) or fucking stupid hard (vTempest Island)
>every alliance questline is shit, DC is nothing but necromancers and daedra, EP is nothing but a bunch of "ancient evils" to make you feel like a hero, and AD is pretty good except for the fact that the three shittiest areas are also the longest areas and all three of them are fucking jungles

>>376502023
The point is that saying a game is good after pumping 17 gigabytes of combat overhauls, graphic overhauls and trainwiz mods doesn't make the actual game any better

>>376501927
I alwaysike the first one because it has a real creepy atmosphere to it.

Daggerfalls dungeons are just too big and complex for their own good in my opinion

>>376501797
>whatever kind of attack of those three does the most damage from your weapon
Why even have different attacks when one type is clearly superior to everything else? In Daggerfall different attacks allowed you to sacrifice damage for more accuracy and vice versa. In morrowid you just turn on autoattack, because its the most convinient choice.

>>376501902
I played Morrowind last and it's my favorite. Every thread with you fucks. People like things you don't like, can't you fucking deal with it?

>>376503108
>I played Morrowind last and it's my favorite.

Well you clearly still haven't gone past the honeymoon phase

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>>376499798
oh look it's this thread again, it never gets old!

>>376501907
Seriously, all morrowinds problems can be attributed to the fact it was made by 5-6 guys when Bethesda was on the spinning ride to bancrupsy. But what the fuck happened to Oblivion?

>>376503108
>usually their first
If anything you are validating his points. He didn't even any specific game. Either you're baiting really hard or you are actually retarded

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>>376501902

>>376503158
I have. I'd last played it over a year ago and I just started another playthrough.
I also don't use mods and just really enjoy the game.

>>376503208
Oh, I'm validating his post, how terrible. His entire "argument" is:
>people defend things they like omfg they're retarded because those things are actually bad because I said so
You're the retard. Go drool elsewhere.

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>play RPG
>why are there RPG mechanics?????

>>376501902
Would've been okay b8 were it not for the first point. You're mostly right tho (besides the first point but hey it's /v/)

>>376503358
No. His point was that people will circlejerk their favorite TES games saying they're the best when none of them are particularly great. The way you get so defensive about it and the fact that you played morrowind a year ago really point to you being underaged too.
>>376503446
Name one TES game that is better than another as objectively as possible. Anything you bring up about it, you can bring up 2 things another game did better and 3 things that game did worse.

>>376503397
>why are my character skills relevant to game mechanics

>>376503552
I said I "last" played it "over" a year ago. Learn to read.
It's a game I like. Is it flawed? Yes, quite. I like it very much nonetheless. I enjoy playing it quite a bit more than the other TES games. What the fuck is agitating your autism, exactly?

>>376503689
>a guy makes valid points on the internet
>but they contradict with my opinions
>let's instantly get defensive and attack some random fucker online and call him autistic because my feelings are hurt

>>376503786
what points?

>>376503786
Oh fuck, you know, you're right. I shouldn't be trying to argue with random morons on /v/ of all places. I'll actually go play something instead.

>>376503882
>no TES game is particularly better than any other
>mods don't make a game better, they're just masking it's flaws
>any given TES games do more things badly than they do well
>people never acknowledge the flaws of their favorite TES games
>people will get defensive and circlejerk about their favorite TES if their views are questioned
>>376503995
>my feelings aren't hurt I'm just angry

>>376500003
That's daggerfall you fucking dweeb. It's literally like the third enemy in the whole game.

>>376504207
hes on about the fact there is miss strike animations

which are in morrowind anyways, he was a moron

>>376503786
>a guy makes valid points
Burden of proof is on you.

>>376499798
>pick up long blade skill
>use two handed axe

WOOOOOOOOW! I AM PRESSING BUTTONS THIS IS BROKEN.

>>376504319
But anon, two handed axe is quite long and has a blade.

>>376504121
>people defend things they enjoy

wow what a fucking surprise nice deduction there

>>376504360
The blade itself isn't long. Checkmate atheists.

>Player->SetSpeed 250

>>376499798
>no indication of miss
This is why you're full of shit. I mean, this is all bait anyway

There is a sound of hits and misses. Fag.

>>376504121
>no TES game is particularly better than any other
I disagree. There, refuted your point, see? Fucking BTFO.
>mods don't make a game better, they're just masking it's flaws
I totally agree.
>people never acknowledge the flaws of their favorite TES games
Patently false.
The last line is so stupid I just won't bother. If you think you've actually made any points, you're probably actually thick.

>>376505467
Miss miss meme threads are typically just a way to get active Morrowind threads going, but, as you can see, it tends to invite retards along.

>>376505326
>boots of blinding speed
>waterwalking/levitate

>>376500317
Same reason I feel refreshed after sleeping all night when I feel like shit if I just sit instead

>>376506075
The game is unplayable until you get the boots of blinding speed and then you have to constantly repair them after every fight until they get destroyed so quickly that you just don't bother anymore and set your speed to 250 on your own to avoid dying of boredom.

Morrowind's fatigue and running speed was a mistake.

>>376499798
Because the rest of it is really good.

>>376506294
How about, I dunno, you change boots where the fight begins. It's not like you can use hotkeys to bind everything in your inventory.

Oh wait. You can.

>>376506294
Or you can just level your athletics.

>>376499798
Fuck you kid

>>376506396
Probably because running around with a permanent black veil on my screen is just as retarded/annoying

>>376506446
>"Tired or running around at the speed of a snail? Run around for hours and you'll run faster!"

Are you serious?

I used to trigger the autorun at noon and go to school while letting the computer run just so I could go at decent speeds. I used to think it was retarded then and I still do think it's retarded now.

>>376506712
You can pay trainers to level up your skills, you know.

>>376501902
on other words: skyrim is dull husk of previous TES games

>>376506778
By the time you'd have enough money to train your skills to go at a decent speed you would already have played the game for dozens of hours at a retarded slow pace unless you min/max for that precise goal and/or exploit.

>>376499798
>even though you can see your weapon visually penetrate the enemy (3d weapon model going through the enemy model)
Proof please

>enjoy 80's SSI AD&D RPGs
>Think they're better than morrowind by a mile
>Games like dungeon hack, EoTB, dungeon master etc. did first person RPG combat significantly better whilst implementing actual literal D&D rulesets

>any complaints about Morrowind and it's shitty melee combat system makes me an underage retard

Morrowind's melee combat system isn't shit because anyone complaining about it is underage but because it was figured out significantly better 15 fucking years before morrowind came out.

the exact same applies to baulder's gate / fallouts etc. horrible attempt to use real time combat which SSI knew couldn't work as early as games like shattered lands.

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>>376507098
>dungeon hack, EoTB, dungeon master etc. did first person RPG combat significantly better

>>376499798
>>the game gives no indication at all that you miss with the only indicator is if the health bar goes down
Except you have a sound indicator.
And a visual one, since you won't see blood or stagger.

>>376507098
>watch EotB gameplay
>MISS MISS MISS MISS

Wow, truly a masterpiece in game design

>>376507098
>comparing blobbers to TES
Are you retarded or just baiting?

>>376507098
>Fallout
>realtime
>Baldur"s Gate
>not a literally AD&D rules

How retarded are you?

>>376507207
>>376507274
>>376507359
>underage dipshits get called out for being underage dipshits
>can't produce counterarguments
what a surprise.

>>376507098
>which SSI knew couldn't work as early as games like shattered lands
What are you talking about? Shattered lands was turn based.

>>376507417
Burden of proof is on you, faggot.

>>376499798
>Play game with dice rolls
>roll a miss
WOW Y DO PEEPS LIEK THIS SHIT GAEM I CANT HIT SHET!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(((((
Kek, keep crying kiddo.

>>376502243
>I see literally nothing wrong with that crafting, though I wouldn't mind if they lower that to one month

>>376507098
>tile based games with party of several characters
So why are you camparing them to morrowind again?

>>376499798
Go back to Skyrim you asinine fuck.

>>376503786
>a guy makes valid points
But he didn't though.

>>376499798
>it visually happenned so it has to happen in effect REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
realismfags cannot into vidya as usual

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>>376501902
>people are hardwired to defend their favorite
Well no shit sherlock. Imagine that, people defending one of their favourite games.

>>376500317
Sleep vs Getting sleeping

>>376500090
This makes no sense, warriors quickly becomes speedrunners in this game

>>376499798
I know, even the fucking block is automatic
USING A FUCKING SHIELD IS AUTOMATIC YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER BLOCK

>>376509617
then go back to skyrim so you can just hold a mouse button to not take damage lol

>>376499798
Nostalgia value.

>>376510396
>le go back to Skyrim

Manual blocking is literally a fucking requirement for good combat you fucking retard.

>>376510598
and not being a retard is a basic requirement to not get btfo by a fucking bethesda game, no wonder morrowind is so hated in revvit, the mechanics themselves are a casual filter

>>376510748
I don't give a fuck if you get BTFO in the game or not, manual blocking is FUCKING CRAZY NEW IDEA NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE I know but maybe it's time to let the player rely on their skill and inputs rather than a fucking dice roll for every basic combat action.

>>376499798
>"I don't know what a true RPG is"

>>376510961
This.
OP is a retarded Skyrim faggot.

>>376510889
>it's time to let the player rely on their skill and inputs rather than a fucking dice roll for every basic combat action.
morrowind isn't fucking dmc, it's supposed to be a 3d rendition of a rpg, the very concept of the genres disregards player's mechanical skill aside from taking decisions based on the character stats and equipment

it's like complaining neverwinter or baldur's ate don't have a block button

>>376511064
Morrowind is a 3D real time open world game, not Baldur's Gate

>>376509617
>>376510598
RPG rely on character skill not player reaction.
You're probably an actionkiddy with ADD.
Go back to your visual novels with batman combat, retard.

But game is great overall, why people are mad?

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>>376511314
because clicked random buttons on character creation and are mad their orc mage can't hit rats with a dagger

>>376511467
>20 seconds of attacks at inhuman speed to down a generic skelly
monkfags on suicide watch

Daggerfall > Oblivion > Morrowind > Arena > Skyrim > Battlesphire > Online > Redguard

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>>376511772
Switch Redguard and Battlesphire and I agree

>>376511142
Baldurs gate was real time and pretty much open world.

>>376511772
>oblivion
>better than anything
It doesn't even have giant muchrooms.

>>376499948
it's not that you have to use your imagination, it's that the simulation can and does depict your weapon hitting and then you're told to imagine the weapon didn't hit

imagine if you were playing a shooter and you shot someone in the head but the game told you "you missed lol" all the time

>>376511772
>Oblivion
In the quests and the combat mechanics, maybe, but that's where the improvements end. Level scaling fucks the game so hard and makes playing it borderline pointless. Your character gets weaker as they level up.

>>376512697
>imagine if you were playing a shooter and you shot someone in the head but the game told you "you missed lol" all the time
You mean like in Deus Ex? Also shooters have randomized aim spread all the time.

>>376512697
>no sound effect
>no blood spurt
>enemy didn't stagger

How does that depict a weapon hitting?

>>376511772
>>376512784
I agree with both of you.
Standard Morrowind > Standard Oblivion
Modded Oblivion > Modded Morrowind

>>376513228
Even just fixing the level scaling makes it debatabley on par

>>376513228
>still no levitation
>even comparable to morrowind
Is this a joke?

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>>376499798
Thats just how CRPGs were. No one complains about a miss in Baldur's Gate

Chance to hit is a shit outdated mechanic that has no place in video games. I'd be glad that it's gone, if not for the fact that modern games are shit in general

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>>376513874
This.

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>>376499798
These threads make me miss Morrowind so much

Tell me how do I enjoy Morrowind again like I did in 2001?
I just can't close eyes to unbalanced combat, muddy textures (don't tell me about overhaul cause their artstyle sucks), static NPC and robotic interactions? The worst part I didn't even start playing Tribunal and BM.

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>>376514239
Its simple. Just stop being such a huge faggot.

>>376513228
>generic medieval fantasy setting
>no web of faction conflicts, conspiracies and political intrigue
>even comparable to Morrowind
Is this a joke?

>>376514386
Yeah, those walking informational kiosks were engaged in terrible faction conflicts, which they resolved by walking back and forth in their rooms.

>>376511586
It's sad how monks are garbage in all TES games

>>376514239
What's so unbalanced about the combat?

>connection error
fucking shit, anyone else or is my connection actually bugging out?

>>376514515
>implying that there some games where quest npcs don't just loiter in one location so you can take their quests

>>376513874
just use the accurate attack mod if its that bad for you. all though i think it completely negates any of the weapon skills, because i think all they do is improve your accuracy with a weapon.

>>376512697
>imagine if you were playing a shooter and you shot someone in the head but the game told you "you missed lol" all the time

That's what random spread literally is.

>reticle is dead center on a guy's head
>random spread makes me miss.

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>>376513681
>even comparable
>>376514386
>even comparable
Hmmmmmm...

>>376499798
i swear to god how hard is it to pick one combat skill at the start and stick to weapons that fall under that skill? this game isn't like skyrim or oblivion where you can effectively become a jack of all trades master of all by the end, you actually have to be considerate of what kind of character you want to play as

>>376512697
>imagine if you were playing a shooter and you shot someone in the head but the game told you "one bullet in the head isn't enough to kill someone lol"

>imagine if you were playing Skyrim and hit a sleeping dude on the head with a giant 40kg two handed steel hammer but the game told you "it barely hurt him at all LOL"

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>>376501902
>people are hardwired to defend their favorite, usually first TES and won't listen otherwise
Oblivion was my first, but Morrowind is clearly the best
>using mods as a reason for why a game is so great isn't a valid reason
Of course. But Morrowind hardly needs mods. Looking at my current Morrowind mod list, it's mostly content and graphics. Looking at my current Skyrim mod list, it's mostly overhauls to just about every system in the game.
>you aren't ppaying TES at that point you're playing Beastiality Loli Futa Rape Simulator
Or you know, you're playing the same game with most of Bethesda's terrible design decisions fixed

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>>376513228
I like Oblivion, but its world map is the weakest by far of any of the modern TES games. It has way fewer roads than Skyrim or Morrowind and is just generally samey with little getting in the way of just b-lining everywhere. Some mods can improve on that front somewhat, but it would be a massive undertaking to mod Cyrodiil to be as good as Skyrim or Morrowind.