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>>376422589
genes

>>376422589
I can't speak for the Japanese players. I'm sure some Tonberry shitposter will do that for me.

But have you fucking been on the NA and especially EU servers? One look at those shitholes should show you why they're not on top.

>>376422589
>Check fflogs
>Japs only playing with meta comp
Explain yourself.

>>376422740
>fflogs
>japs
I really hope this is a bait

>>376422589
>Leviathan above Balmung
Honor is saved.

>>376422589
wow its almost like western players care too much about coagulating something they dont have the ability to do

>>376422589
Here's why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPlInJNc1Vc

tl;dl: Japs actually make everyone learn, not inclusive little groups that you have to enter like if it was a job, for them Savage isn't something for nolife poopsocker like the vast majority of western player think but just another part of the game.

>>376422739
I play on Aegis, same data center as Tonberry. I can say they're so much better. A friend let me use his account back in 2.0 to mess around on Hyperion since I was curuious how an english data center performed at end game. I tried Garuda EX and Titan EX since that shit was on farm on Aegis but the Hyperion parties were god awful. Took like 5 different parties to clear Garuda and I just gave up on Titan since none of the groups could make it to the final phase without at least 2 people getting knocked off.

>retard dps and tanks die from easily avoidable AoE
>wtf turn off cleric stance fucking no heals leanlrn mechanics scrub
>babysit retard dps and tanks because everyone is at 10% after every attack or dead if I'm not constantly mashing adl/succor before every single AoE attack
>wtf sch no dps

I've played pretty much every WoW killer and WoW itself for nearly a decade and I've never seen this sort of fucking stupidity. People expect me to waste a minimum of 3 GCDs because they can't bother walking two feet to the right? (Read: not paying attention or don't know the fight despite me explaining it multiple times)

>>376423385
I remember this. Nobody would shut the fuck up about how the JP community was the promised land for months lmao.

>>376423385
>Japs actually make everyone learn
>NA won't learn because it's my sub you don't tell me how to play

>>376423392
>>376423534
This shit can easily be healed and dodging it is actual dps lose, you fucking faggot

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>another JP dicksucking thread

>>376423542
To be fair, compared to the NA one, it is.

>>376423665
Talking about it isn't going to change anything.

>>376423385
It's the opposite, every other game Japan plays is so braindead they legitimately consider FF14 neet/autism levels of hardcore
>>376423593
(Yuo]

>>376423930
anime phone games are the pinnacle of video gaming achievement and i will not hear otherwise

i think the reason scrubs are worse in ffxiv is because WoW was ugly so people were more there for the community and actual gameplay than just standing around gawking at how gorgeous everything is

FFXIV is a particle effects rave party all the time and all the environments and models are so fancy and polished that you get a lot of players who are only there to look at HD retro FF bosses and to pet moogles and shit. sightseers.

JP are like a communist society. Everyone must do things the one way, even if it's inefficient.

That and they have the benefit of all being on the same timezone, as well as no excuses for lag given their servers are a five minute walk away.

>>376424501
>given their servers are a five minute walk away.
What if they live in japanese hawaii okinawa or japanese russia hokkaido?

>>376423385
That is not a Japanese player. That's definitely a flip fag or some other South East Asian mongoloid.

how come japs never get world firsts in WoW?
check and mate weebs

>>376424680
Last I checked WoW doesn't even have a Japanese localization.

>>376424501
>you will never experience the pervasive japanese culture of public shame that will allow you to be slightly better at catgirl dressup simulator

feels good, actually

>>376424734
>replace character models with 7 year olds in panties with D cups
>every voice line is a squeeled "UGUU ANON SENPAI PLEASE FUCK ME INSTEAD OF WHITE IMPERIALIST PIGGU"
>every portrait picture is the most tasteless ahego imaginable
There, localized

>>376425109
>trying this hard to be funny and failing

>>376425171
11 year old weebs please go

>>376423385
>"y u no help people!?"
Because they don't help themselves.
They don't use the vast amount of resources available on the internet to prepare themselves best they can for content.
They jump into parties without knowing how to play their class and without an inkling of the fight strategy then expect to find other people ok with them wasting their time as they trial and error their way through the fight getting carried by everyone else who put in the effort to do their own research.

>>376424734
They don't. JP are small fries as far as MMO economics go and their general console/handheld-heavy gaming space. Chinese were where the money was at over in SEA.

>>376424680
they don't get world firsts in xiv either tho

Should a europoor join a US server or are the european ones active enough?

I'm in Odin. Wasn't sure which one to join though I heard moogle and shiva are full of frogs and krauts who won't speak english.

>>376425271
Judging by the level of the funny attempt here >>376425109 I'd say that guy is the 11 year old, it's not my fault he failed to amuse anyone above his age.

>>376424501
>JP are like a communist society. Everyone must do things the one way
so how does this differ from metafags screaming about not using "worthless jobs"

>>376425425
>I know you are but what am I
Confirmed 11

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Show me your hotbars.

Hard mode: Show me your cross hotbars.

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>>376422589
>That Lich clear rate
>Remembering all the times my groups have wiped to the dumbest shit
>Based retards literally unable to comprehend meteor mechanics after hours of sponfeeding on T9S
>My levelling was stalled for hours due to shitters not being able to get past Ravana, had to wait for half my static to get there so we could run it together
>Tanks who managed to fuck up A1S by takking the wrong target after jumps at least half the time
>Healers going OOM in fucking A1S of all places
Time to transfer

>>376424665
>flipfag

As a flip living in flipland that's not even a flip accent. Though I think that's Thai.

>>376425612
>makes ridiculous joke
>fails hard to be funny
>starts throwing shit around and throwing a fit because how dare people think he is ridiculous
You should probably just stop, you keep digging yourself deeper.

>>376425825
Because I'm the one sperging out and typing asshurt novels over being called a weeb

>Summoner takes some unavoidable damage
>Runs away from healers to the edge of the arena and starts spamming physick
I sometimes wonder how these retards even manage to log in.

>>376425825
Yea, only that my "joke" was meant to be cringey..

>>376425825
not even him but you seem way more upset

>>376425907
You are sperging out.

Your joke was bad, you failed to be funny, I just informed you of that, and you started to throw a fit and toss out names and age labels around.

Just reread the posts if you think I'm lying.

>>376425625
Which job?

>>376425960
>when a SMN bitches at the healer for not healing their pet.

>>376426094
>goes U MAD XDDD in response to literally any post over a paragraph
This is how asshurt weebs seriously argue

>>376426163
any

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>>376425960
>Didn't believe the "FFXIV players are shit" meme
>PF Steps of Faith pre-nerf
>Steps of Faith needing to be nerfed
How can you even be so fucking bad at a video game?

>>376426296
This post doesn't even make any sense. Are you even thinking straight?

>>376426406
>gets called on going U MAD non-stop
>stops and instead posts another non argument
Glorious

>>376426389
When was the nerf of Step of Faith?
I started in 3.0 and reached 60 + finished the MSQ still in 3.0 and I don't remember Step of Faith being hard at all.

>tfw on leviathan

>>376426595
Before one of healers could fuck off to the cannons

>>376426576
You are not even making any sense, it's like your brain is dying. What the fuck are you eve saying about posts over a paragraph? How is that even related to anything at all?

Also, you are the one without arguments. I stated the facts senpai, I informed you of how bad you failed. To which you threw a fit with names and age labels, in typical "how dare he not appreciate my joke, let me start throwing shit" fashion.

Again, if you think I'm lying just reread the posts. I have seen no arguments from your party so far other than "you are a weeb and you are 11!".

>>376426863
I know that feel.

>>376426863
What feel? You picked best server.

>>376426595
It was never hard at all, it's just that most people who play this game are fucking stupid.

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>>376425625
Last bar is shared by all classes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW8koH-tmSU

Need to roll a new character after the servers relocate so I can decide if it's worth it latency-wise to escape the hell that is Chaos.

Hoping they won't fuck up and move the servers to west coast

>>376426902
>spergs out over being indirectly called a weeb
>keeps going U MAD LOL
>posts this wall of text
>still going U MAD LOL

>>376425581
The japanese don't waste time screaming about that and jerking each other, they just do it

>>376426915
I was on Gilgamesh and that server is full of anime avatar kids and memes spouted nonstop. I like Leviathan better so far, plan on leveling the new job to 70 ASAP when SB goes live. All I gotta do is collectr the gear and still beat A12S

>>376426595
It was nerfed just a little before 3.0, I think.
People still leave if they get it on their trial roulette. I will never understand.

To the anon in the other thread about the 4 day free login campaign

You can receive 7 day additional game time when you're on those 4 days, you also get the rewards

>>376426902
can you go shit up some other thread? clearly nobody cares but you

>>376427036
>Hoping they won't fuck up and move the servers to west coast
Fuck me too.

>>376427053
>that
>wall of text
Holy shit, it must suck to have your brain. Also, you apparently don't know what indirectly means.

You communicate, and apparently think, like an ape. No wonder your first instinct after being told you failed was to throw shit with your hands.

I'm sorry you failed that hard though. Hey, maybe someone laughed at it and thought it was funny.

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>>376422589
>siren midas

>>376427139
>clearly nobody cares but you
Clearly at least 2 people care, otherwise they wouldn't be having a conversation about.

>>376427284
>he's still going
Go look at your own posts and seriously say you're not mad

>>376427079
Leviathan is cozy compared to Gilgamesh.
It still has a pretty big population but you it don't feel overpopulated at all.
The Market board not being a disaster also help a lot.

>>376427284
Fucking hell, will you take your autism somewhere else?

>>376426863
Hey, at least your server wasn't switched to the Zodiarc without you even noticing

>>376427581
>holy shit his arguments actually make sense
>let me reply with emptiness

>>376427484
I joined critical RIP when I got there. I'm sure it'll all pick up soon when SB drops, plus still looking for a group

>>376427237
Ideally it would be in Chicago. But this is Square we're talking about.

>>376427475
I see you are trumping over your parties argument of apparently me being the one calling people on being mad, and literally doing it yourself.

Good going. Still didn't actually refer to anything meaningful though. Yet another empty shit flinging.

>>376422589
I think I might still play WoW if guilds weren't all about "we are your new job, show me your credentials and ace this interview and we might consider you". I'm already better than you shitters, I'm not gonna give you a CV but I would SHOW you but you don't fucking let me so kiss my ass.

There's this incredible hubris (and that might sound ironic after what I just typed but go fuck yourself) that everyone shares, that makes them think they play as good as it is possible. And the only thing that separates them from the best is their gear and build. This is why there's such a monkeywank over parses, because everyone thinks the best results represent them, even though player skill is STILL (no matter how much Blizzard caters to girl players) over 3/4 of your performance and these assfaggots can barely reach an 80% threshold.
That same attitude also prevents them forever from improving. Now you say I'm full of hubris, but if I'm not the best or near the best in my group I get an autismal fit and rage at myself until I improve enough to be. The cuckbois plaguing the community nowadays think they're already perfect and blame everyone else instead.
And it's because of that, that JPs rule in FFXIV too.

>>376427692
I'm in a small FC with 5 other friends personally, it's pretty comfy.

>>376427673
>shitting up the thread with countless posts that amount to nothing but calling him mad
>arguments
People here just want to talk about the game, not deal with some autist with anger problems who spergs out any time glorious Nippon is insulted

>>376427673
>>376427879
>he's
>still
>fucking
>going

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>>376425625

>>376427968
JPs rule FFXIV because no one notable or any of the big bois in previous MMOs plays FFXIV in the first place.

I mean, who are we kidding

>>376428161
How do you put your fairies skill on your hotbar?

>>376428401
from actions window

>>376425581
Meta is meta for a reason. JP do shit in their strats that was asinine and only done for the reason of simplifying a mechanic for retarded DPS at the cost of more DPS uptime.

>>376428102
So are. Also, why do you type like that?

>>376428028
It's seriously beyond me what the fuck is wrong with people like you. The guy is shitting all over himself with shit like 3 lines of post being a wall of text for his brain, or randomly talking about "paragraphs" that make no sense, and posts in the level of >>376427053

You must be pretty dumb to think that I am in the wrong as opposed that mess that defaulted to throwing shit when he was called on a bad joke.

Apparently having a brain is not common among MMO players.

Why are the first 35 levels so fucking boring?

>>376428432
Woah, first time I notice you could get them there.
Thank you.

>Alphinaud calls out Yugiri's exotic outfit
>no one in the entire cast questions her tail

I'm so fucking bothered by this, is this going to be addressed sometime in the story soon.

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Where were you when WAR was confirmed for getting the best skill yet again?

>>376427106
The problem is that if you failed you have to wait until the damn thing ended before you could try it again.

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>>376428517
Because ARR has a non-existing difficulty ramp-up, and the complete lack of skills prior to Jobs doesn't help the boredom matters any.

two nukes wasn't enough

>>376428710
>Because ARR has a non-existing difficulty ramp-up
Remember when you were forced to do trials in order to unlock the harder ones?

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>>376428432
>>376428532
Macros are your friend.

>>376428875
Remember when you were forced to do an extreme trial to unlock another extreme trial?

>>376428438
meta only makes sense in competitive games like league or overwatch where you want every advantage because you're up against real people. XIV is so watered down and easy that job comp literally doesn't matter if you're still good at the class. at the end of the day, you're still fighting a virtual dragon and while its nice to have the best comp, you don't need it whatsoever.

>>376428961
Good time.

>>376428963
Meta mattered in Gordian/Midas. Creator was so FCoB-tuned it didn't matter.

>>376428589
It comes up in either 2.4 or 2.5 I don't remember which.

>>376429067
You're right, it did matter in Gordias. That's where the DPS meta was born after all. But Yoshi stated he plans on SB raids being Creator tuned, so we can count on it not mattering unless they fuck up hard.

>>376428589
4.0 will probably retcon some 2.0 MSQ and just have Yugiri come out normal, given there are Au Ra players running all about the fucking place anyways.

>>376422740
Japs don't give 2 shits about FFLogs
More than likely it's english shitters playing on Tonberry

>>376428961
>fall behind one or two patches
>never clear the old irrelevant primal cause every party for it demands no bonus
It's better that you can just jump in to the latest primal.

>>376422589
Because the average Japanese player will try to clear shit. The average NA player is just collecting glamours.

Healer/tank dps didn't matter in Creator, there were no serious dps checks but most parties will ask their shitty healers to dps and their shitty maintanks to eat tank busters in dps stance because "muh raid dps needs to be higher for fflogz"

>>376422589
i like this. fewer clears makes the gear and mounts more exclusive.
of course there will always raiders withott pride that sell clears or degenerates that buy them

>>376429512
Creator needed some healer/tank DPS if you had the FCoB-style comp (instead of Gordias/Midas) where you had 1-2 DPS that weren't quite outputting the numbers they should have been.

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How should I be using this ability to its fullest extent when hardly any of my CDs line up with it? Am I just a scrub?

>>376429512
>had weak healers for creator
>usually when they tried to dps, people were killed by raid aoe or tank died
>tell them to just heal and let dps do the dps

as much as it sucks that creator is easy, its better this way because no every group is gonna have decent players in every role

>>376429721
Every other CD rotation you'll have everything up for Wildfire. Just pop everything that's up for the most part each time you have WF up.

>>376429721
lvl 40 btw

>>376429721
>>376429868
it shares a cd timer with hawks eye, rapid fire, and b4b(if you hold it for 10s) so if those arent up for every single one then you are doing something very wrong. reload should be up for every other wildfire, same for raging strikes. but you wont see it all come together until you hit 60

>>376429716
Not really. 9 is a joke, 10 is a maybe for the steamroller, 11 is controversial since the community didn't even know you could survive the second GA-100, and you can go up to 4th puddles in 12

If you don't DPS as a healer, you're not a good healer.

What should I be melding as a NIN, crit and sks?

>>376429721
Save buffs.
Use ammo.

>>376430059
>but you wont see it all come together until you hit 60

Always hated that aspect of a lot of jobs. It's for that reason alone people will say a job is horribly designed because not everything fits yet. I'm gonna keep rolling with mch though, thanks for the help.

>>376429740
I agree, but I'm also sad we will never get another A3S again

>>376430094
>11 is controversial since the community didn't even know you could survive the second GA-100
How? Even my group survived the second GA-100 for our first clear on week 2. The problem is the following Whirlwind will destroy whatever remains after.

>>376430316
There was nothing actually fun about A3S's mechanics though, the challenge came from everything having too much HP and the fight dragging on too long.

>>376430173
In dungeons? Yeah. End game bosses maybe. They should be designing content where the party takes so much damage you have to heal 24/7 and keep up with the MP.

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>people popping flying orbs in Diabolos fight

>>376430407
A3S had fun mechanics and actually made use of two fucking tanks regularly.

The problem was the penalty for basically every single mechanic was wiping, and the DPS-checks were extreme for early progression/most of the populace.

>>376430189
Crit then det

>>376430334
You can survive the whirlwind as well if you execute mechanics well enough.

I just remember when the common idea was that the second ga-100 was the enrage and everyone just complied, Mr happy or mizzzzzzzteq must if said it.

Everyone on NA is focused on comp and first clear strats over everything else

>>376430316
Good then.

>>376430510
You know you're in for a good time when the tank doesn't reposition Diabolos to the edge at that part in the fight just to try and mitigate the number of orbs heading towards the center which is where all the sheep are.

>>376430510
muh chrysalis

>>376430510
What is the normal way to handle these? Ive been in groups that ignore them but they still end up in the middle and cause the same amount of trouble if you were to pop them

>>376430585
And after the whirlwind is another set of ball mechanics which may as well be the enrage there sine those hit the towers as well.

I wouldn't mind a fight with an arena enrage similar to A11S again.

¸There's no point in playing this game without a static. Firstly, there's no way to train a savage raid or you have to spend days staring at the party finder. Secondly, this farm groups are full of unbearable people. It's impossible. I somehow manage to farm the gear from a9s but now for a10s I can't even find a practice group that will stick together more than 5 minutes. At this point I'm paying for this game just to stare at the party finder.

>>376430778
They all move towards the center so you just have to stay on edges.

>>376430778
Walk around them? It's not that hard

>>376423385
MY SUB

MY GAME

SHUT UP AND PLAY

>>376430585
I fucking hate when they bring youtubers or whatever the fuck in a discussion.

>>376430287
mch usually gets hailed as well designed because people didnt play it for years at lvl 50 like the ARR jobs. while i agree its well designed at 60, it seems lackluster compared to brd until lvl 58 when you get hypercharge while brd gets foes at 40 something

>>376430552
You can tell they designed hand of pain with PLDs Clemency in mind in case the PLDs hand was the one you needed to ignore, but they failed to add a reason to keep the hands separate during the burn so it didn't matter. Probably would have seen it anyways if the DPS check wasn't so damn high.

>>376430893
Then find a static nerd.
What are you waiting for?.

>>376430971
>A adds, B belly, C chain :DDD
youtubers are a mistake, but people who actually listen to them need to be hanged.

>>376431079
>actively seeking out drama cancer and people leaving at the slightest whim
Nah.

>>376431172
I wanted to hang whoever started the trend of designating A FULL PARTY to handle something one person could do. Should have been two parties in stomach just to get that mechanic over asap which means less adds spawning outside.

>>376431172
>C chain :DDD
Wat
People really used a full party for something 2 healers could do??

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>millions of gil and months later

is there a single more worthless grind in this game?

>>376431254
So if statics are like that and you can't do shit without statics, how the hell are you supposed to play this game?

>>376431768
absolute madman

>>376431423
In all the time I've ever done WoD, I have never seen anyone actually do it like that. It's all or as many DPS as possible into the belly, maybe throw in a tank and healer too, leave someone outside for god's sake to tank the adds even when half the time no one does. Chain for whoever the fuck can be bothered. Usually it works well enough, and by now nobody even needs to get in the belly the second time because it dies faster by just burning it the normal way.

>>376431768
>millions of gil
What?

>WoW disguised as another MMO

When will MMO devs stop using WoW progression design.

>>376431172
I fucking loved the first group that said DPS:Belly

>>376430814
The point was that less raid dps was required then people speculated because people assumed the enrage was ~30s earlier. The Na community is focused on a few e celebs and early clears

>>376430585
Probably mrhappy I remember him fucking up wod for a month telling people some of the aoes there were shared damage.

>>376430510
>People running the spheres through melee.

>>376431948
The lightning marker on the hydra is. I can't think of anything else that does, though.

>>376431884
The only thing that sucked with A11S was that no matter how good your DPS was, last phase always started with the boss around 41-44% HP (due to the enormous amount of skips that fight will take), and that's where your DPS and mechanics handling really started to matter.

>>376431948
Him and mizteq are awful, I remember mizteq fucking up creator guides . I haven't had a problem with xeno yet

>>376432084
Nah this was stuff that very clearly wasn't like particle beams.

>>376432215
>telling people that particle beams are shared dmg
top fucking kek

>>376431768
Wait what?
You can level up everything on our chocobo?!

>>376431883
Pantheon

>>376422589
muh healer dpsing meme, if the healer can/does DPS great, but if your group NEEDS the healer to dps then you're literally just a shitter who needs to git gud faggot.

>>376432424
Slow as balls combat. They need to fine tune it. I watched the stream where they had a group fight a wasp and it took them a century to kill it.
That's not fun

>>376432338
there's special carrots or something that expands what they can learn. i forget the details since i haven't grinded my chocobo that much

>>376431768
how strong is your chocobo when maxed out?

>>376432580
Shit, I wish I knew that sooner mine has been rank 10 for at least 6 months.

>>376432580
Thavnarian onion I believe. Takes a lot to grow them if i remember right. Have to crossbreed like 4 different things and then they take like 5 days to grow. Guessing that where the guy spent millions to max his out.

>>376432179
All of them are cancer.

>>376430510
>people popping flying orbs in Diabolos fight
If nobody pops the orbs like it normally happens they all float to the middle where the boss likes to teleport to and explode on the tanks and the melee.

Fuck that fight is stupid.

>>376433342
People are stupid on that fight in general. Everyone should be in melee range on the boss to easily avoid all the AoEs.

Boss ports to middle? Wait for him to travel back to the tank before Earth Shakers go out and then more balls.

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>>376432612
Not very, but it's a decent addition if you're playing solo.
>Max HP:13344
>Autos: ~550
>Choco Cure: ~1530
A choco set to use healing stance will use choco surge quite often, which bumps up its healing to a pretty decent ~2000 per cast.
The tank branch is almost completely worthless, but it has an interesting barding if you max it out, I suppose.

>>376432556
Well that's more akin to the EQ1 design, but shitposters are never satisfied, who would have thought. It doesn't matter if you think it looks boring, it's still someone not using the WoW progression design.

>>376422589
weebs are shit at games
this is common knowledge and it's why that play crap like FF with 100ms ping

>>376431768
What's your secret to level up your chocobo?
You just feed it once a hour?

>>376431768
>Having Choco Media picked
Respec that shit out asap.

>>376432612
Does 340dps on attacker stance.

>WAR gets a gap closer and some other ridiculous looking skill
>gets access to Rampart via the cross role system

Can't wait to see AST and SCH get more buffs while WHM gets another oGCD instaheal or some dumb shit, apparently their idea of balance is to just keep buffing the best classes

>>376424665
hes chinese
you can hear in the way he jumps from word to word instead of it flowing

>>376433897
Keep the stables clean and feed it a krakka root once an hour.
Do your challenge log too, it's about 15% of level EXP for killing 100 enemies. If you're level 60, Urth's Fount in SShroud is pretty nice for this; there's 10 level 50 water sprites that spawn in the area and they die very quickly compared to HW mobs.

>>376431883
It was this way since everquest? The only difference is "content" patches from wow were expacks in th EQ, and before shit was nerfed you needed to do previous content to have a chance in the new one. Still it was nerfed when was game was far from dying
Why do you call it wow progression?

>>376434181
WHM problem isn't his skills, but the fact that regen is literally worthess compared to the shields
And giving him shields would be dumb

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remove shatter REMOVE SHATTER

LITERALLY, AND I MEAN LITERALLY REALLY ACTUALLY, 4x (TIMES) AS MUCH DAMAGE DONE TO ICE THAN THE NEXT PERSON IN MY ENTIRE ALLIANCE

AS WARRIOR

AND I WOULD HAVE DONE MORE TOO IF THE ONLY HEALER WASN'T EITHER PERMADEAD OR WANDERING AROUND 5000 MILES FROM THE ICE ITSELF

>>376422589
No one wants to play FFXIV here really. It's not a very good game. My guild found placeholders in BC and went 'nope' because the game was shit easy with bad animation locked gameplay. Literally they 'released' content that wasn't even actually done. They didn't expect anyone to actually get there before the placeholders were filled in.

>>376434525
>regen is literally worthess compared to the shields
Regen is amazing. Consistent, efficient heals are great. The problem is that WHM has literally nothing on top of its pure healing. Diurnal AST gets Disable and Collective Unconscious for mitigation and cards for DPS on top of regens.

>>376434307
everquest didnt have gear levels though, which is why many items were still useful past several xpacs. the WoW model is having your gear outdated every xpac.

>>376434525
WHM has the same problems as MNK.

No raid dps utility.

>>376434525
regen is the most mana efficient heal in the game

the problem with WHM is all its other heals other than cure are insanely mana inefficient and it has the worst mana management for dpsing

>>376422589
Jap raiders are fucking shit, bro.

There's a reason why NA took over FFXI even though Nips had a 1 year advantage over us.

>>376434525
>regen is literally worthess compared to the shields
either youre a sch who gets carried by his whm/ast or you dont play a healer. Probably both of those things.

>>376434696
Explain yourself.

>>376434678
The fact that you can win by just doing PVE in a PVP mode is already fucking stupid.

>>376434806
that's because gear levels are just a system to grade equipment. you can break down just about everything in terms of dps or damage mitigation, which means if someone really wanted to, they could come up with a formula to calculate eq gear levels.

>>376434846
No, WHM suffers from the same problem PLD does. While WHM/PLD can still do their job just fine, their counterpart(AST/DRK) is still a straight upgrade.

>>376434806
>everquest didnt have gear levels though
Only because gear was terrible balanced
> which is why many items were still useful past several xpacs.
Half false, just to grind 65 you needed Velious gear at least
And you literally didn't had chance without top gear in the Luclin locations, and was worthless in the boss kills as a tank/healer
Why are you talking about things you don't know?

Could anyone show me some good tank frames for WAR? I'm planning on tanking in this game but there's a real lack of compiled resources.

People screaming about how you must play with META at all times are innately worse players. You lack adaptability and creativity, you go off on the japs for being "insect like" or "communist" yet that's exactly what you yourself are. I'm not disputing that under ideal circumstances, the meta is the best. But that's under ideal circumstances. The majority of the playerbase does not play at a level where the meta will work for them. There are multiple levels of skill as there are multiple ways of clearing the content. Some will work much better, some will be rocky, some will not work at all. Obsession with the absolute cutting edge best way to clear everything is reaching levels of neurosis and autism that just shouldn't be. Step away from the keyboard once in a while and realize it's just a god damn game.

>>376435171
If they brought more raid dps than their counterparts nobody would care

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>>376435245

>>376435206
Play Drk, most groups won't let WARs tank. At best you'll tank in 4mans, tank swaps (very little) or when you pull (for like 10 seconds)

Can we drop this idea that dropping your tank stance makes you a good tank? It's bullshit, and not something people should strive towards when they're still learning the job. Your number one job as a tank is to keep things hitting you. Dropping your tank stance is antithetical to this.

"But DPS!"

You are a TANK. You're not a Dragoon. You're not a Ninja. You're not a Monk. You're not a Samurai. Your job is to focus enemy damage on yourself and survive it. If you want to do better DPS, go play one of those jobs. Tanking well means minimizing the chances of losing threat, and minimizing the chances of dying.

>>376435480
Garçon! This pasta is stale!

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I really hate Kojicuck for making the Limsan talk like that.
English isn't my first language and it's fucking annoying to read.

do people still care about ffxiv? i quit right before through the maelstrom and i remember everyone was upset by the rampant botting and how crafted gear was utterly worthless.

did square ever fix botting? it took a week to get all of my classes to 50 by fate botting, and 2 weeks to get all of my crafts to 50 because of leveqeust shortages.

>>376435479
I was hearing the opposite, that due to the DPS and self-sustain of WAR it was more viable than DRK?

In either case do you know where I can find a guide to good tank frames? Getting visual information in FFXIV seems rather awful.

>>376435480
downvoted by 5 fell cleavers

>>376435617
Now i remember that i have to deal with them in Bloodsward.
The MCH quest are fucking shit.

>>376435480
that's not how this game works, fucko

>>376435669
WAR is a better tank than DRK.
But DRK get more damage out of being MT while WAR out DPS them in OT.

>>376435748
>>376435617
You think that's bad? Don't play rogue

>>376435206
There are none, this isn't WoW. You just put your UI elements wherever feel best to you.

>>376435669
WAR is the best tank and with the exception of the current raid tier it spent probably 40% of the time tanking in HW raids.

>>376435669
The point is most groups see WAR as an OT and will force you into the role. But then 4.0 might change shit so play what you will.

Find guides on leddit, although most will just send you to xeno where he'll spend 40 minutes telling you what foresight does

>>376435669
I don't really know what you mean by frames, but the only thing you need as WAR is a max size Fell cleave button in the middle of your screen.

>>376435193
>65
By the time PoP launched, there's no way you didn't already have Velious faction gear from TWO xpacs ago, if not some Luclin gear. And do you mean raid encounters because leveling in griegs end or something could be done in shitty PoH gear since it was so easy.

>Why are you talking about things you don't know?
Why do I get the feeling this is really ironic?

>>376435624
SE only does stuff about gilbots. You can run around with Minionapp and be fine. I just set my Warrior up to FATE grind at work.

Crafted gear is actually decent now though. It's a far cry from the max level, but it is a really good foot in the door for some jobs.

>>376422589
Westerners don't look for faults in their own play. It's always the (((meta))) or the other guy.

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>>376425625
>>376425625

>>376435895
I was hoping for better unit frames, a stand-alone threat meter, ideally some way of pinning multiple targets and their targets etc.

>>376435759
>>376435862
>>376435879
Thanks for all of the info. I don't think I can bear taking something else to 60 just yet, so I'll stick with WAR and see how it goes in 4.0. I don't mind OTing per se, I just tend to MT as I'm fairly confident in my ability to tank well.

Guess I'll fiddle with my UI until it's bearable.

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ARE YOU READY FOR PLDMANIA? STORMBLOOD BRINGS BACK THE KING WITH PLD/PLD AS THE SUPREME META COMP, DRKS AND WARS ARE GOING TO BE STUCK IN NORMAL MODE

>>376435617
They talked like that back in 1.0 and no one complained.

>>376435973
Holy fucking shit THIS. People are much more willing to blame anything else than have to admit they fucking suck.

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>>376425625

>>376436301
That's because no one was playing then.

>>376436212
>Wrecking Ball
>Not Iron Wall

Way to ruin it.

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>>376425625

>>376436301
Because myself and only a handful of autists actually played 1.0. I personally don't mind it though, but the Rogue's flavor of it is a bit too fucking much though.

>>376436159
Things might change in 4.0 so just find one with a playstyle you like more and then ignore early bandwagoners unless it prevents you from raiding in 4.0

>>376436301
I did

>>376436476
WAR is a lot of fun really, it feels less stale than most tanks.

What do I meld on tank accessories?

>>376436706
STR.

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>>376425625
Lazy.

>>376436019
I don't get people who bind nebulous shit-keys like F9-F12 or 9, 0

>>376436706
Parry

>>376436561
I don't play much DRK but WAR boils down to Eye - > Path until Berserk is up when you OT

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>Zurvan EX beaten by 4 WARs and 4 PLDs
>people still blame class composition instead of player skill


Western MMO players are trash.

>>376436706
>>376436735

>>376436820
For me those are macro keys, and either mouse or keyboard macros are bound to them as hardware input.

I always wish games would take shift+F-keys as that would be a nice thing to bind to macros that leaves the keyboard totally open.

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>>376436820
I have those keys bound to my mouse. 80% of my abilities are used by one hand.

>>376436706
STR and then for the striking Alex ring put VIT

>>376436910
Because Zurvan is the easiest Primal of the expansion and PF scrubs can't into basic dodge formations.

>>376436909
>WAR boils down to Eye - > Path
You don't really need Path up 100% of the time.
It's Eye -> Eye -> Eye if you're OTing unless MT is far ahead of you on aggro then you can let yourself Eye -> BB a bit.

Path only needs to be applied to mitigate particular mechanics that would otherwise be a burden for healers.

Which is to say, there's not much of that anymore.

>>376436950
How expensive is a mouse like this?
I'm using one with 2 button on the side and already turned them into 4 keybins but I feel like having more could be useful.

>>376422589
I want to come back, is there a comeback campaign that doesn't involve being on someones friendlist?

>>376436909
Well, that's a bit of a letdown... do you know if DRK is more interesting? The fun of tanking is having a diverse enough skillset to handle things when it all goes to shit.

>>376436706
>>376436989
Do not use a Slaying ring. It's a meme that won't increase your DPS.

>>376436910
Class composition only matters in speed runs. PLD, MNK, and WHM were used in early creator clears just fine.

>>376437080
Like, 80 bucks canadian? You could get that shitty 600 or w/e it's called that has 12 buttions on the side but it's clunky as fuck.

Or you could go full retard and spend 150$ on a g900.

The G700 has been by mouse for years. Best buttion placement and feels nice.

>>376437052
I haven't played since December and our MH is skittish so I had to have path up at all times for them in A12S.

>>376437080
They average about $60 depending on brand and how many buttons you want.

>>376437101
DRK uses the same combo over and over, mashes off-gcds as soon as they're available, and uses DA+SE to avoid capping MP. It's just as simple.

>Hear about how stupid FF14 players are in general while leveling up
>Story is genuinely uninteresting, devs love jerking themselves off so much they force you to do it.
>PVP is a fucking joke too

And that's how i cancelled my sub before even hitting max level. Not even a good community could save this game.

>>376437101
Off tanking as a WAR is not a lot of fun when no adds come about. It's mainly doing Eye -> BB unless you're catching up on enmity, then it's just repeating eye. I find main tanking as war to be really fun, and off tanking is fun when mechanics are involved for you.

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>>376425625

>>376437052
>Do exactly that
>Get shat on for "low DPS" (even though I was beating some of the DPS already on my parser) just because I was too low on the aggro meter (4th place) because I wasn't spamming BB like a retard when the MT is a DRK
Zurvan ""farm"" parties are a nightmare.

>>376437101
As an OT, I hear it's annoying managing MP. Tanks have naturally simple rotations compared to dps

In static situations, as an OT, my experience is you keep track of the raid and find out where and how people are fucking up since DPS tunnels on new fights

>>376437301
>Managed to find anyone willing to do pre 60 pvp.

Yeah right.

>>376437301
Cool blogpost, WoWbabby

>>376437301
Thanks for your irrelevant opinion.

>>376437301
That's cool. Not liking the story is definitely enough reason to quit. This is FF after all.

>>376437228
>>376437249
Thank you!

>>376437232
>having a main healer
lol

>>376435206
>I'm planning on tanking in this game

You need to worry first and foremost about how much the game is going to tell you, "If you want to be respectable in instances, you need to start playing OTHER classes to gain their skills first." Everything else is secondary.

>>376437342
>I find main tanking as war to be really fun
Good taste

>>376437569
This isn't gonna be a thing in a couple months.

>>376437398
The difference between eye spam and eye - > Bb is not that large in a 10 minute fight. It's like a ~20 potency difference every 6 gcds.

OT won't be second on Aggro list unless they pull the boss and get voked off or are spamming BB

Also lol@2tank zurvan

>>376435836
Grabble yer fuggin' daddles mate if I catch ye spillin' whids about me darkmans agin I'll have to uphold muh code all over ye

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>>376435206
Have this.

>>376422589
They make it easier for the japs so that they can feel superior

>>376437569
You don't need a single Cross-Class on tank before lv50. It's all extra junk. Even Provoke ie. the main target for whining.

HOWEVER, knowing how every job works will improve your tanking so in a way you're right.

You sound like a negative baby bitch, how are you feeling?

Can someone invite me to return so I can get 7 days? Is it email or character name?

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>>376425625
How bad is my ui /v/?

>>376437953
I need both your email and your password

>>376437953
They have to right click your name on their friend list so strangers cant do it.

anyone use a mouse with like a full numpad on the side like the Naga Chroma? i've been thinking of getting one since i hate using ctrl/shift combos, but i barely fit all my WHM skills to my bar and have no space to bind fairy abilities on SCH

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>>376425625
I'll probably switch out the buffs with the autoturrets considering how much of a pain it is to click on them mid rotation

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>>376425625

>>376438332
I have one. I like it, but they're cheaply made so you should expect to replace it every year or so. Also I've been told they're uncomfortable if you have small hands but I've never had a problem with it.

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>>376425625
How much does this bother you?

>>376422589
pls tell me what to do now wit my wt

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>>376425625
the ones lined up are on the second crossbar

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>>376425625
hopefully they go through with the skill cleanup because i'm running out of room

>>376425278
now see, jumping into fights blind is what makes it fun. oh I wasted YOUR time? I'm paying to play too, asshole, maybe you should lighten the fuck up.

>>376437792
I'm leveling a GLD right now and just got her to 30, so I switched to CNJ and it just feels even slower to level, despite the speed buff from the ring and all. But maybe I just got tired of playing and needed a break. Also I'm disappointed that my friend was such a WoWfugee when he tried the game and got fed up with his level 32 GLD (not PLD, mind). He honestly was never going to enjoy this I think, but still, I might've had one more friend to play with.

who the fuck odin here

>>376439895
>>>/vg/

you know mnk is weak when it wouldnt even be overpowered if greased lightning worked like huton

>>376439895
right here, friend

>>376439612
GLD and LNC are by far the most boring classes to level. Once you get Cleric Stance on CNJ never turn it off and things should go pretty quickly.

>>376439895
giraffeposter please stop, there's plenty of odin here.

>>376440062
Yeah, because that would barely affect GL3 uptime or overall DPS.

>>376440062
What does that even mean
If monk had a permanent 30% damage increase and didn't have to ramp it up then it would be overpowered as fuck

Retard

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>Been part of Faerie since ARR
>Didn't know what was where so I just picked one with a decent pop
>One of the biggest guilds we have is an LGBT one

It will never not be funny. Overall though a decent server. Too many cats and lizards tho

>>376440062
Are you sick? Do you have mental problem?
Like, seriously anon, you're worrying me.

>>376440360
Faerie is the unofficial LGBTQ+whatever server.

>>376440360
>One of the biggest guilds we have is an LGBT one
Anon, you know that Faerie is the unofficial LGBT server, right? Most of the players there are gay.

>>376440234
>overpowered
considering they dont buff anyone else, it really wouldnt be. it just means they can reach full potential in every fight, as it should be

>>376440062
Some people are THIS stupid and then try to talk about balance

>>376440062
MNK is low in creator because there's a lot of downtime where they can't hit shit which make them build up GL all over again multiple time.
IF GL worked like Huton they would be a lot higher than now.

>>376440494
>>376440524

>Didn't know what was where so I picked one with a decent pop

Fuck guys cmon. read the post.

>people foaming at the mouth of the idea of monk being useful

lmao

>>376440663
Calm down, you seemed clueless of that fact because you're surprised that the biggest FC is a LGBT FC in the LGBT server so we're just telling you.

>>376440494
>Faerie
Do they voluntarily associate with frilly rainbow bullshit? Good fucking riddance.

I don't care if you're he/she/zhe/qwhe/xi/vae/lue but a faggot is a faggot.

>>376440731
Who said that anywhere?
We're correcting a guy that is obviously retarded, in this case, probably you after getting BTFO

>>376440653
>MNK is low in creator because there's a lot of downtime where they can't hit shit which make them build up GL all over again multiple time
That's just flat out not true. The only situations where that would apply are during Cruise Chaser's transitions and coming out of timegates on Alexander. And PB should be back up for those, excluding one of Cruise Chaser's transitions.
t. MNK main

>>376439895
I'm odin here

>>376440653
>IF GL worked like Huton they would be a lot higher than now.
imagine that, a job that buffs noone being able to adapt well to every fight instead of one that buffs noone and gets fucked the hardest on anything not a training dummy.

>>376440234
>>376440415
>>376440581
fuck off lol, mnk has 100% uptime in fights like a9s and they are by no means overpowered there, so having something to help them manage gl3 in fights with downtime wont be any different

>>376440857
>correcting
All you did was call me names, you didnt really explain how im wrong

>>376441020
>so having something to help them manage gl3 in fights with downtime wont be any different
There are very, very few instances where you can't keep up GL3 for an entire fight. If you're losing GL3 that often, you're just shit at MNK.

>Monk needs utility
>They get a rez that costs GL3 and 5 chakra

In addition to having to fight all the SAM bandwagoners for gear, they now how to deal with DRGs constantly whining to be picked up.

MNK would be useful if Dragon Kick was still relevant. Too bad DRK exists.

>>376441161
Wouldn't mean a damn thing because ideally you won't need to rez. So once a fight is perfected, the group would just drop MNK. The only utility that would guarantee a spot is adding dps to other party members.

>>376440859
A10S can be a bitch with extreme caution if you get caught at a bad time.

>>376441310
I've been doing A10S since day 1 and I've never once lost GL3 during that fight. There's always something to be hitting, and you have form shift+shoulder tackle if you need to move away for his purple symbol.

>>376441112
>git gud

lmao fuck off anytime. you lose it every ATM in a11s, and during inception and the phase transition of a12s. meanwhile nin can just count the seconds and huton ahead of time

>>376441161
>res
lol
Ressurection in XIV is a commodity.
It's not a limited ability like in WoW and devs go out of their way to ensure that dying at all in really hard content has an insane cost.

Plus, just don't die bro.

>>376441493
It happened to me a few time, actually.

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>Just found out how to enlargen hotbars
This changes fucking EVERYTHING.

>>376441548
>you lose it every ATM in a11s
There are only two ATMs, and your PB will be up for one of them. Both if your party has shit dps.
>the phase transition of a12s
PERFECT BALANCE YOU SHITTER
>during inception
You're just a shitty MNK. It's more than possible to keep GL3 up during inception. Use Fists of Wind if you absolutely need to, but you shouldn't need to.

>>376441272
>guarantee a spot

You know how to guarantee a spot? By having friends. Nobody gives a fuck about 5% DPS increase if the content can handily be done without.

>>376441669
>wanting to enlarge hotbars
>when they're already massive to begin with

>>376441746
If you play with a shit resolution maybe.

remove combat-ressurection. Wildstar had no combatres and the raiding in that game was pretty fun until it got nerfed to shit.

>>376441713
>Nobody gives a fuck about 5% DPS increase if the content can handily be done without.

Oh you underestimate the autism of raiders in this game. They'd sell their moms for better parses.

>>376441710
you don't even need fists of wind, you can easily save shoulder tackle for inception when you know it's coming up

>>376441835
I like scraping shitters off the floor.

First talks about nerfing cleric stance now this.

Why can't I keep all the cool shit I already have?

>>376441710
so youre just gonna pretend like the other ATM you lose it on doesnt exist, cool.

>>376441809
I'm not the guy you responded to. I'm being serious with you right now. If you don't already wear glasses, you should schedule an appointment with an optometrist right away.

>>376441835
>wildstar
>fun

no

>>376441948
So you're just gonna be an illiterate faggot that can't read where I said that there are few instances where you can't keep it up. I didn't say you can always keep it up. Just that you can keep it up in 95% of fights.

>>376441945
I'd rather not be rez'd half the time since most of the time raidwide unavoidable damage will kill you and your damage turns to shit

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>>376441746
no bully
This shit helps me babysit OGCDs while I'm weaving through bullshit mechanics

This fucking crutch is going to increase my DPS

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>>376442027

You can say what you want for the mechanics themselves but the aesthetics were great.

Wild West Space is horribly under-used when it's obviously the best. I was the only human esper for miles. Everyone else was a god damn Chua.

>PS3 dropped
>Still can't split debuff/buff bar

>>376442243
That game's "aesthetics" were so bad it literally gave me an headache every time I tried to play.

>>376442046
And I said the job should be designed to where it's always possible to keep up given what is expected of it and its overall design. it's really backwards to give a job that is expected to do big personal dps very frequent opportunities to be fucked over from accomplishing that by something they cannot help.

>4 hud layout options
>chat log isn't part of the hud so it has to stay in the same location.

YOSSSSSSSSSSSSHIIIIIIIIII

>>376442243
You're confusing aesthetics for aesthetic

The aesthetics in 99% of the screenshots I saw were different hues of muddy green and grey.

Absolutely disgusting.

>>376442415
And I said that if you're a competent MNK, you can keep up GL3 95% of the time. There aren't "very frequent opportunities" if you know what the fuck you're doing. Keeping up GL3 is part of playing the class properly. It's part of the design, the same as keeping up Enochian on BLM. Not every fight is going to be designed to kiss the ass of every job at every moment.

>>376442384
You shouldn't be blaming video games for your shit genetics

>>376442362
Not dropped until 4.0 though

>>376437707
Thanks.

>Sastasha in roulette
>Awful tank, clearly is the first time he does a dungeon
>No flash, no shield lob, no savage blade combo, only riot blade combo
>Loses enmity all the time, never manages to keep an enemy focused on him, not even bosses
>Me, the healer and the other DPS tell him to use Flash and Savage Blade multiple times
>We are met by complete silence
>Never gets better, only beat it because it's fucking Sastasha
And then I'm told I need to be patient with noobs because they need practice. Motherfucker I know everyone needs practice but theres a limit, and thats when whoever is playing for the first time doesn't communicate at all, like, say something, ask something, say sorry, INSULT ME IF YOU WANT BUT COOMUNICATE WITH US FOR FUCKS SAKE.

>>376442856
Why not just votekick tank?
When I started to lvl up dps I learned that other healers do it constantly

>>376442856
Play SCH. I've done a dozen low level dungeons with just me and 2 DPS after the tank DCs or quits at start.

Fairy heals are one hell of a drug.

>>376443094
Because it was Sastasha, we knew we were going to make it with tank or without it.

I don't understand how you people can play this game for so long. After 3 months I have no motivation to continue. All savage raids can be cleared and farmed in a couple of weeks with a semi decent group. And then what? Useless crafting and gathering?

>>376443396
It's almost as if Savage is not the end-all-be-all of the game?? Do some EX Primals, play in the Gold Saucer, consider getting a house.

>>376442856
I actually had a Tam tara run in my leveling roulette on my MCH with a GLA sprout this morning who was pretty clueless too (he used shield lob to pull but didn't use flash against multiple enemies and though riot blade was better than savage blade)

Since the mentor who was in the party with us didn't tell him anything at all I calmly explained to him how to pull and stuff and I was surprised that he was actually happy that I would give him advices, it was a nice change.

In the end I gave him this pic >>376437707
and I got 3 commendation.

>dun scaith
>4x mnk and drg loot
best

>>376443396
Sure my dude, let's both pretend you actually did savage in 3 months

Even if you did, it's not even relevant right now
Maybe try actually doing raids when it's not piss easy to overgear it

>>376443396
Themepark MMOs are just that, a month or so of fun. What you're looking for is a sandbox but sadly there aren't any good ones, yet

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I'm so sleepy from lving tank, but sub end tonight.

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>"Hey, can you help me with A12S practice tonight?"
>sure
>an hour later

>>376443868
>sub ended yesterday while I was away and couldn't finish triad quest
;_;
Well, guess I will resub 1-2 weeks before expack

>>376443843
>let's both pretend you actually did savage in 3 months
Do you actually think that's unbelievable? Most groups had it cleared well within three months. Mine did it in one. Don't talk like an arrogant faggot when you're clearly shit at the game.

>>376444005
>that middle frog trying to avoid its own kind

>>376442419
you can still move it though

just grab and drag it by the buttons

>>376444062
>>376444005
Made me smile
But generally F>D and J(on the eu servers)