Does Net Neutrality affect our games?

I honestly don't have a clue. But I was told net neutrality is somehow important.

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>warn Trump supporters that he'll rollback net neutrality rules
>"no way, fag"
>it happens

It has the potential to. A company could, for instance, sign an exclusivity deal with Microsoft thus not allowing Sony and Nintendo consoles to play online, and they could probably get away with it since ISPs are a cartel, but that's all hypothetical of course.

>tfw you work with an insane person who thinks that you should have your identity connected to everything you post

No, we honestly don't need it. Everything is actually going to be quite alright unlike what these crazy ass conspiracy theorists say. I honestly think we all will benefit from getting rid of this bane on our existence.

Don't listen to any /pol/tards or Redditors and call your senator to help get rid of this gay shit.

>>376408112
They will insist it wasn't their fault.

>>376408152
embrace cable TV 2.0

>>376408112
I'd honestly take having to fight something everyone hates than fighting something Hilldawg makes that only half of everyone hates.

>>376408112
it was le globalists, le trump can't do a thing with a house and senate majority

>>376408126
>associating with your coworkers ever

>>376408116
They only need to make it slower to connect to PSN server and millions of kids will whine on the Internet that their PS games are too laggy. Then people will start buying Xbones.

>>376408112
>caring more about your internet than the fate of your nation
Not that repealing net neutrality isn't shit but it was something I was always against Trump on but not my biggest concern going into the election.

>>376408025
Yes

https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/9/14548880/time-warner-lawsuit-new-york-league-of-legends-netflix

>>376408025
yes. because then Riot for example could pay for ISP to give a higher priority to League of Legends over Dota or other MOBA games, which could possibly mean less latency for LoL but more for competing MOBA games.

Same can be done with Steam/Origin/GoG. Gaben can pay to slow down Origin and speed up Steam.

>>376408025
yes. Either by locking the "gamer ping" behind a 30$ extra, or simply blocking Steam from the standard package and also asking for a 30$ per month to just connect.
Also forget non DRM gaming platform, they would work on an IP whitelist.

>>376408025
Depends on who you're buying your access from. Me, I'm an Australian so I'll always have a shit connection so it won't affect me, all it will do is bring some Americans down to my level.

>>376408395
You do realize that net neutrality is more important to the future of our nation than an imagined threat of a globalist takeover?

>>376408497
>Gabe kills off Origin and EA
Maybe net neutrality dying isn't that bad after all

>>376408510
It's a free market, can't we just switch to another ISP?

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>>376408309
>Trumpcbros will blame every bad thing he does on (((THE GLOBALISTS))) rather than just admit he's a shitty person

>>376408537
it's not about connection quality, it's about being able to connect at all, retard.

>>376408395
I mean the """healthcare""" bill that just got passed is going to do way more damage to the people in america than anything else so that obviously isn't anything you're particularly worried about

>>376408583
>implying Steam isn't just as bad if not worse than Origin at this point

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>>376408560
>imagined threat
I chuckled Angela

But this is a good thing. It means less bullshit government regulations telling people what they can and can't do.

You don't have to worry about it because the free market will fix it. If your ISP costs too much, just get a different one.

>>376408606
If you're a Burger you might want to look up what it's all about m80.

>>376408602
If you live in the 90% of the country that doesn't have Fios or Google Fiber then no.

>>376408560
Either way, Trump is a globalist so Trumptards are even more stupid.

Dude has his name on buildings all over the world. "He'a not a globalist!"

>>376408632
>not having to buy shitty corporate insurance under penalty of law anymore
>bad

>>376408602
Americans usually don't have a choice for some weird reason

>>376408602
They will all do it because it's more profitable. You'll just have to chose between the guy who has Steam for 95$ per month or the guy that has only Microsoft games for 105$ (but you get a free avatar every month is you buy 3 years in advance)

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>>376408632
It's gutting the EPA that worries me the most.

>>376408602
Its not a free market you tard. How many isp choices do you have today? I have 1

>>376408718
>not being able to buy insurance at all because goddamn everything is now a pre-existing condition
>good

http://ahca.republican/

>>376408725
>some weird reason
it's a monopoly industry, nothing weird, just sad.

>>376408103
It would mean ISPs and corporations could charge more or less against whoever they want. And considering that ISPs operate in monopolies, this would be ruinous for consumers.

So in example instead of paying a monthly bill for your internet, you would pay for your internet, as well as having to pay more if you wanted faster speeds for certain websites, and faster speeds for games, or certain games, better speeds during peak hours, ect

It basically lets ISPs discriminate on their networks on who gets what. It also lets ISPs choke the fuck out of corporations as well.

Netflix not playing nice with an ISP? Well then they could force Netflix to pay insane costs just to use the ISPs network. Considering ISPs work in monopolies, particularly in the US, you have no choice here as a consumer and those costs would fall back on you.

>>376408772
So it's a Soviet Free Market. You can buy bread for stated price, or you are free to starve.

>>376408583
Yeah, except EA can strike the same deal and try to kill steam.

and I dont know about who has more money, but I am fairly sure EA is more likely to use such shifty tactics

>>376408602
>free market
The choice pretty much everywhere in america is AT&T or Verizon and both of them are going to keep it that way. It's not a free market.

>>376408809
>everything is a pre-existing condition now
>no source
Every time, I'll bet you unironically believed that shit about rape becoming a pre-existing condition too.

>>376408560
Don't you have a Country to destroy?

>>376408667
>You don't have to worry about it because the free market will fix it. If your ISP costs too much, just get a different one.
So you either pay a premium for a "Neutral" net, or get an internet funded by some corporation where its content is sped up but competitors content is slowed down. thats how the free market will react.

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>>376408152
Ok friend.

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Never thought I'd say this, but I feel like joining the gommies just so I can these billionaire corp fucks get dragged out into the streets out of their comfy sky rise apartments. Only temporarily though so we can restart with smaller companies that we can kill when they get too big.

Yes https://youtu.be/f_2XRZTuf0Y

>>376408959
Rape isn't, but any mental disorders developed as a result of it are.

>>376408667
>the free market will fix it.
libertarianism, not even once.

>>376408745
Those numbers are bullshit.

>>376408837
>particularly in the US
Is this actually the case anywhere but the US?

>>376409052
I wish I had the charm of that russian.

>>376408667
>telling people
You mean monopolist corporations.

>If your ISP costs too much, just get a different one.
There's only one choice for broadband where I live.

Also its not an issue of cost. If my ISP decides that they're going to have different tiers of connection that different sites or online services would have to pay it could essentially shut down competitors. It will also be even harder for new players to compete against the established businesses.

Steam for instance is big enough they could probably pay for paid prioritization, but GoG probably wouldn't be.
Not to mention if the ISP decides to only sell a limited number you could face a situation where Microsoft buys that up and you're then stuck with the Windows Store as the only option even if you avoid 10 S.

>>376408745

lil late for that, the "no we're actually fucked" turning point was in like 2015 iirc

>>376408667
Some places only offer one ISP option. Currently, people that subscribe to their service don't have any other options in terms of pricing, but they at least have uninhibited access to the whole internet. Without net neutrality, those same people will not only have zero options when it comes to pricing, they'll have zero choices when it comes to what internet access "package" they will receive. Sounds like less freedom to me, almost like being forced to buy into one universal healthcare provider.

>>376408837

This literally happened with Comcast and Netflix a couple years ago.

>>376409170
Canada is even worse than we are

>>376409050
Problem with fighting the corps is "who do you think owns the largest private armies, and who do you think is currently backing the governments army"? There's a reason the Internationale talked about shooting the generals as part of the revolution. Without the army on your side any revolution is doomed to either fail or create a bunch of microstates led by whichever soldiers survived the civil war.

>>376409106
this, NASA is just another globalist shill

>>376409106
They're en fahrenheit and they're projections for 2100. They're lowballed if anything.

>allowing ISPs to gouge high bandwidth services just because they can
>ISPs have monopolies on whole towns
>data caps out the ass
America is a hellhole.

>>376408025
wtf is "net neutrality"?

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>>376408745
>tfw no one will ever tell China to cut the shit
>tfw Libs only want to blame Western countries for pollution and focus locally on it
>tfw Cons don't care about it at all and want industry here so we can make it worse
>tfw we're all going to die

>>376409267
the world has had enough of experts offering opinions

you can prove anything with "facts", doesn't mean it's true.

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just play monster girl gamu!

>>376409170
I cant think of a single country that doesnt have ultra shitty ISPs with monopolies or near to

Its just too hard to make it a competitive market when you're talking about ultra expensive wires.

>>376409494
Did that game ever come out?

>>376409457
And no matter how much math or scientific evidence is produced, reactionaries will scream FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS and go back to sucking off big oil.

So yeah the world is pretty fucked up.

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>>376408667

>>If your ISP costs too much, just get a different one.

Lemme guess, you use your parents internet connection.

>>376409494
Looks like shit

>>376409225
Yeah I read about that but forgot which ISP did it

>>376409543
TODAY!

>>376409456
China has drastically reduced its emissions in the past decade. China is now lower than even most European countries on a per capita basis.

>>376409575
you do not know what great is!

>>376408745
/pol/ told me only hippies care about the environment, so I'm not aloud to speak out of term

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>>376408725
Mergers is the big reasons. But also agreements between different IPS to not compete against each other. So you only see 1 or 2 ISP per area when other countries has 10 or more. So not only are we in the US pay more but we also get less. When a new ISP does pop up the big guys go out of it's way to lobby it out of existance. Just read up on Google Fiber and all the weird things they have to deal with to try to be a provider.

>Have RCN and paying $60
>Could upgrade to 330 Mbps for an extra $20
Wonder what it's like to live in a shitty area with "normal" internet speed? Not saying it's great for me with other country being way better than us but still.

>>376409624
>on a per capita basis
Helps that china has fucking 10 trillion people. Not fooling me Xhill Fui Wui

>>376409689
>But also agreements between different IPS to not compete against each other
Isn't this cartel pricing? That's illegal af where I'm from.

>>376409624
I can't believe any offical reports from China

>>376409448
Imagine I'm your ISP, and for some reason I don't like 4Chan. Maybe it's one of my competitors, or Facebook is paying me a lot of money to fuck with them. I could block your access to 4Chan entirely, or I could make your connection speeds painfully slow to discourage you from using it. Net neutrality is intended to prevent companies from doing shitty things like this.

>>376409765
It is 100% illegal but since it's all informal they either can't or won't prosecute

>>376408667
>government regulation is bad even when it ensures that everyone is able to access all data on the internet at the same speed, without bullshit throttling and discrimination against things your ISP doesn't like
lmao, how much of a cuck do you have to be to actually believe this? you really think that if net neutrality isn't protected by law some company will be so virtuous as to provide it at a reasonable price without charging a bullshit extra?

maybe you just like giving up your extra money and freedoms to corporate overlords? is that a fetish I'm not aware of?

>>376409448
net neutrality means that you pay to access the enternet as a whole, and can use that access to reach any IP you like.
Without it, ISP can decide to cut the content of what you can access for the money you pay. Typically you'd get a "standard pack" to go on facebook, twitter, amazon, then a "video pack" where you may more to access streaming sites, and another "gaming pack" to access game sites with a decent ping.
It's not just fear fanfics, ISP have tried to pass just that over the past years now. Some even tried to do it illegally, by reducing the bandwidth allocated to streaming sites if you didn't pay for their deluxe package (that only includes more hardware)

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>>376409624
Yeah, I'm sure it's quite fine. That's why some parts of your country are unlivable and rivers and lakes have changed color.

>>376408103
This post sums up 95% of /pol/tards.
All meme.
No knowledge.

Everything they understand is skin deep at most.

>>376408025
Basically, yes. Without net neutrality, ISPs can charge a premium to carry what they identify as "gamer packets", or gaming streams

Such as the case of Time Warner Cable being sued for refusing to provide their basic service unless Riot games paid them an extra fee. Customers playing League of Legends got inexplicable spikes in ping and bottlenecks, simply because TWC was refusing to lift a finger and treat LoL traffic like everyone else's until Riot paid extra. TWC knew that Riot was entirely dependent on the internet for their business, hence them charging a "just because" fee.

Cable companies know that the internet is eating away at their marketshare, and they want to gatekeep it the same way they gatekeep cable television. Net neutrality ensures that internet is treated like a utility, where customers pay for speed and bandwidth.

>>376409765
And whose going to stop them? Those politicians who get paid to support them?

ISPs are utter fucking cancer. But at the same time government control of it would also be fucking cancer.

Its a lose-lose no matter what you do.

>>376409826
Formality shouldn't matter though. Either someone is corrupt as fuck or the law is shit and needs to be rewritten.

>>376409890
>/pol/tards.
OBSESSED
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>>376408602
The US have an amazingly bad internet infrastructure so it's not like in other countries where you've at the very least 5-10 choices even if you live out in the woods..

>>376409910
What? Politicians taking money from private corps is illegal here too, it's literal corruption. What the fuck is wrong with you, USA?

>>376409910
maybe regulate to stop the top two blocking entry of anyone else? Most other western countries have a choice of 5+ isps. It's only america that seem fine with a cartel.

>>376409830
>is that a fetish I'm not aware of?
americans called it being patriotic

>>376409457
The difference is scientists """"opinions"""" are based on decades worth of data and are a consensus of the entire scientific community who have dedicated their lives to studying the natural world.

This is what bothers me, people think the opinion of a senator who is biught off by a fossil fuel company is equivalent to the scientific consensus. It's really pitiful that people have such a distrust of science and little skepticism from their representatives

>>376409949
?

>>376409765
During the 90's big companies where able to legally make it so internet isn't the same as phones or tv lines. And so they made it so they didn't have to provide to everyone. Not only that but when there were a few smaller companies providing internet services they all started to merge so you got even less choices over time. And it's worse how every president put people in charge of the FCC that were connected to the those big corporations like Version and Comcast.

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>>376408152
>Don't listen to any /pol/tards or Redditors and call your senator to help get rid of this gay shit.

>>376409983
It's legal only when it's done through a middleman. Does that answer >>376409920?

>>376409959
can't they just rent the cables? In France we have dozens of ISP but in practice they all rent the lines and the company that used to be state owned and built them all back in the days.

>>376408667
What some people refuse to get is that regulations are not inherently bad by default. Net Neutrality exists to protect everyone who uses the internet. The only people its repeal would benefit are those at the top of ISPs. And Pai.
No reasonable, well informed person can defend doing away with net neutrality. Blindly following a political party is always asinine, no matter which side you affiliate with.

>>376408602
>free market
I want americucks to die

>>376409910
>Bribery is legal in the US
OOOH THE LAND OF THE FREEEEEEEE

>>376410083
john oliver endorsed it which means it must be bad

>>376410098
The cables are owned by said private companies and they have no desire to rent them out.

>>376408745
>flooding occurs
>70% of worldwide pollution comes from cities
>coastal cities flood
>climate change solved
I see no problem here.

>>376408837

Comcast has been doing exactly this for a decade.

It's part of their advertisements, actually.

>>376410096
Sounds like you gotta update some legislation.

>>376409983
They call it lobbying

>>376410173
but why aren't they forced to rent if they end up in monopoly?

>>376410147
>some retarded did something
>that must mean its bad or good in some way
wooooooooooow

>>376410176
If you think Syrian refugees are bad, boy does your stupid ass have another thing coming

>>376408395
Your filthy nation is ruled by your military industrial complex, your intelligence agencies and Israel.
The president, no matter who is in the oval office, is always a puppet that does what he's told to.

>>376410173
They can just be forced to through legislation. That's what happened most places in Europe.

>>376410231
>>376410248
>Being this much of a cuck
It's like you hate liberty you anti-capitalist swine :^)

>>376409910
jesus this guy is deluded

there's a gravy zone with pricing that balances cost to consumer vs consumer base

there will always be someone undercutting the price fixers and then as soon as everyone hears they are offering similar, same or better services for cheaper then BOOM everyone switches out to the better ISP

right now the only thing that might be bad is that telecommunications companies own the actual physical telephone/cable lines that provide internet access

>>376409690
per capita is what counts
The US has like 50 times population of Ireland, why do we have to have the same total emission as Ireland?

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>>376408745
Fuck Earth, what they have to do is pull all their resources into NASA, it's about time we get off this rock.
At this rate humanity will go extinct before we even leave the Solar system.

>>376410241
>not building the wall
good try retard

>>376410402
Yeah, that's a nice fence he will build with the 20 million out of the 12 billion he needed to build an actual wall.

>>376410429
so what you're saying is that democrats are traitors and would allow us to get flooded by retards?

neat

>>376410324
this

A market isn't free (and neither are the people) if business don't have the freedom to form monopolies and oligopolies and stick it to the consumer.

>>376410402
>border wall will help against internal climate refugees
Please. Step it up.

>>376410402
That wall won't hold water

>>376410231
>>376410248
Because they're only monopolies on a local level (for example in New York City not too long ago each borough had only one ISP, but each borough had a different one) which makes it very difficult to do such a thing since the only one that can allow for that is the federal government, and there are in some cases competitors (Fios has been expanding significantly and Google tried but the ISPs changed the laws making it too difficult for them to continue)

>>376410380
moronbastard

>>376410473
>internal climate refugees
in other words, your fat ass will be forced to stop eating so much because your faggot city is flooded.

oh god, the HORROR.

>>376410458
>democrats are traitors and would allow us to get flooded by retards?
How else are they going to secure votes?

>>376410458
No, what i'm saying is that you stupid americucks will never open your eyes to see that the president is irrelevant to what your country does.
The military industrial complex, your intelligence agencies, Israel...
All those have far more control over the USA than the White House.

>>376410463
>freedom is being forced to pay inflated prices not indicative of free market value
Murica

>>376410246
too bad the citizens cant be the president's army and the army can be the people's army, huh?

>>376410476
yes it will, the wall only exists in the minds of brainwashed trumptards so if they imagine it holds water then it'll hold water.

>>376409531
ISPs are alright in the UK because the place being so small forces them to compete with each other constantly.

God help you if you live in out the countryside though. The big companies are unbelievably shit when it comes to areas to dealing with areas that don't have existing infrastructure.

>>376410351
>you guys are wrong, actually THIS will happen!
>except t's impossible in many places because next sentence but oh well
Nice going anon

>>376410539
How about the ozone layer?
Will the wall stop gamma radiation from inflicting cancer upon every single human?

>>376410501
>the ISPs changed the laws
What?

ISPs don't hold legislative authority in the USA, at least not as far as I know.>>376410515

>>376410594
>How about the ozone layer?
you realize we fixed that right?

how fucking stupid are you.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/9/14548880/time-warner-lawsuit-new-york-league-of-legends-netflix

No, the companies will just pay the isps to stop slowing down their communications. Wont affect consumers at all.

5 years ago when Net Neutrality was threatened everyone on 4chan was against the government, but now that Trump is president 4chan says its a good thing, what gives?

>>376410515
Where the fuck do you think they'll go? Yes all the gays, feminists and libruls from the big city will go to your rural shithole and become your neighbors.

But no muh Mexicans!

>>376410637
No we didn't.

>>376410049
Oh yeah the same scientists who agree on skewed data results

>>376409910
The government doesn't need to control the internet. All they need to do is pass down basic rules that ISPs have to adhere to. Super simple things that everyone can agree on, such as; don't sell out your consumer's browsing habits, don't favor certain content over others, and monopolistic practices will not be tolerated.

>>376410713
And who are we supposed to trust more, then?

>>376408025
Yo, I used to configure hardware firewall solutions, the same stuff that comes to use in this particular matter.

>Does Net Neutrality affect our games?
It does and will affect netcode unless developers agree on some kind of universal net protocol

>>376410380
You're severely underestimating space if you think putting more money into NASA is going to do anything. Until some miraculous breakthrough in physics occurs that makes near lightspeed travel a safe possibility there's no way we can even reach the nearest star, much less the nearest potential livable planet. It's just not worth banking on. Best to just accept that we're very likely going to perish within the next century or two and make the best of it.

>>376410669
>Where the fuck do you think they'll go?
country side, get fucked.

>>376410674
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_layer
>A gradual trend toward "healing" was reported in 2016.
good try retard

>>376410647
I'm thoroughly convinced all of these people are just newfags that fell for the 4chan shitposting meme.

>>376410568
what ever you want to believe mate
unless people are super addicted to the internet they will always look for lower prices, or maybe it's safer they should?

being out in the sticks is bad though since it isnt developed so that would be prime territory for price fixing
better start protesting lack of internet coverage in your region hnn?

>>376410647
/pol/ and conservatives have constructed an alternate reality where all their """concerns""" are justified

>>376410601
As been pointed out over and over we pretty much have legal bribery here in the US. Every time laws are set up to stop it the courts ruled money is speech and corporations should have a political say.

>>376410674
It's not fixed, but the hole is closing slowly. It's not even in the threat league it once was.
t. Aussie

>>376410645
Until all the companies have to put their prices up to cover the costs the ISPs are charging.

>>376410819
imagine being this retarded to the point where you think pol is against net neutrality.

>>376410781
Not just that, /pol/ invited a lot of redditards from the_donald and they will never ever say anything bad against the president.

>>376409871

This is the exact reason why they are trying to stop shitting their nature. They see the effect of pollution in their daily lives, and are growing tired of it.

>>376410674
you're a stupid nigger.

>>376410894
>This is the exact reason why they are trying to stop shitting their nature.
except they arent doing that at all, ill believe you when their cities arent filled with smog.

>>376408152
Im all for free speech but Id consider curb stomping you if you said that shit within earshot of me

>>376410645
if the price of ingredients went up, the price of food in restaurant will also rise

if netflix has to pay extra to isp, the price of netflix subscription will go up as well to cover that cost

>>376410764
There's many ways to do so, but if we keep giving NASA peanuts while they still have to spend most of their budget mantaining the ISS we surely won't go anywhere.
A breakthrough has to happen to make interestellar travel feasible, such as the construction of a Dyson sphere, but we won't get any closer to that if we just stay here farting over how to fight proxy wars that we created.

>>376410894
Things shouldn't have to get this bad before people do something about it.

>>376410871
Pretty sure this thread revealed they are. They're not very bright when it comes to pretty much anything political.

>>376411004
china isnt going to do shit and this retard is trying to save himself because it was democrat policies that created china.

America's car culture, consumption of meat, and general waste when it comes to food is much worse than China's polluting industry, anytime a an American is bitching about China polluting the planet, its just projection.

>>376410964
>if the price of ingredients went up, the price of food in restaurant will also rise
And the portion sizes will go down and they'll spin it by saying it's "european style". Capitalism, it fucks you coming and going.

>>376408152
I can only hope this is simple shitposting, but in our current political climate, it's impossible to tell.

>>376411015
>Pretty sure this thread revealed they are.
>shill thread on /v/ revealed the beliefs of /pol/
good try retard

>>376411047
fyi, most of that comes from cities and its heavily disproportionate to cities which is heavily disproportionate to being liberal.

they caused this problem, n

>>376410890
Whatever it is; I've found it harder and harder to discuss topics such as these without going to a chat and it's not even the president who is pushing this shit, the ISPs have been at this for ages.

>>376411004
well no one's going to change unless they feel they have to
some people need to be forced
others never will regardless of what happens

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>a gamma ray burst will never hit Earth and make all of humanity die of cancer in the matter of years

>>376408583
>I want to live in a monopoly
People are so petty they think this is good

>>376410964
it's all based on energy prices

gas/ electricity prices went up? so does everything else

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>>376408025
Absolutely. There is no reason for the ISPs to have taken the FCC to court and fought this hard and spent this much money to inact their will, unless they plan to capitalize the shit out of it. Ajit Pai's only fucking defense against this is "well that's just hypothetical tho", like the companies have fought tooth and nail to put themselves in this position just because, no worries, they won't fuck over one of the greatest creations in human history so they can squeeze money out of every company they feel like, no worries lol, hasn't happened yet with all these regulations stopping it from happening that will now be gone, no worries LMAO, it's not like he previously worked for Verizon and stands to make a huge profit off this himself, no FUCKING worries.

It's going to absolutely ruin innovation on the internet. It's going to neuter this beautiful accidental creation into a deliciously profitable cable 2.0.

But hey! Worth it as long as those darn dirty liberals get theirs, huh?
You fuckers have doomed us all just to spite some faggots.

>>376411047
>consumption of meat
I hardly ever see this brought up as a serious concern, despite it being significantly worse for the environment than all the vehicles in the US combined and is responsible for a gas that's 23 times more potent at trapping heat than CO2. Not to mention it has to be transported as well.

>>376411168
Wouldn't a direct hit just kill everyone on the side that gets hit in an instant, while the other side die few hours later?

>>376411168
A GRB would strip away the earth's magnetic field, atmosphere, most of the water and wipe out life in a matter of seconds.

>>376411319
>I hardly ever see this brought up as a serious concern
probably because fat asses dont want you to realize its a concern and take away their food.

also, pay for their healthcare you skeleton.

>>376411319
Good fucking luck getting America to stop eating hamburgers.

>>376411097
It's annoying that people really do get swayed by retarded bullshit.

>hear about "problem"
>"problem" doesn't affect them at all
>YEAH FUCKING "PROBLEM"

Net neutrality is the one thing people aren't supposed to be fucking morons about. You're not going to get raped by mooslims. You're not going to lose yer job to mexicans. You're not going to get robbed by dindus.

You're absolutely going to witness what happens when everything but Google and Youtube can reliably function for you, though.

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>>376410647
/pol/tards have become very different from what they once were. They're filled to the brim with 12-17 year old 'I am cool and different from my lib friends now xD' newfag teenagers from Instagram, Funnyjunk, Reddit, and Twitter. They all droned and Trump so hard and made so many funny memes about him, that they're now afraid to oppose him on any issue because he's their mascot. Newfags want to fit in by supporting him, and suddenly challenging him is weird for them.

They fact anyone, who isn't some megacorp fuckwad with infinite money to line a senator's pocket, even slightly approves of the removal of net neutrality is disgusting.

I'm sure some of this thread is just bait though

>>376411323
Depends.
A weak, second-long GRB would wipe out the ozone layer, making it so radiation from the sun doesn't get filtered so yeah, we would die of cancer.
A powerful one could burn the planet to death.

Mind you, GRBs are not like the Death Star laser, they are just concentrated radiation bursts.

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>>376411319

>>376411390
Beef is the biggest problem really. If you eat Turkey burgers or tacos instead you've reduced your impact dramatically.

>>376411437
You bring up a very good point since I just remembered Verizon bought out Yahoo.

>>376411319
>>376411374
>>376411390
I hope one day meat loses its subsidies.

>>376411451
Nice opinion on the /pol/ booger man

>>376411554
never going to happen as long as fat asses are around.

they'll vote republican if they have to.

>>376408025
ISP's could throttle or block game traffic unless you pay for a gaming package

>>376410380
Mars will be a bitch to keep nice because of solar winds constantly shearing off the top layer of its atmosphere, it's got a shitty magnetic field. We'd need to put a gigantic fucking magnetic "moon" in orbit around it or something.

>>376411503
Guess people in USA gets to use Yahoo again.

>>376411319
>I hardly ever see this brought up as a serious concern
Because the second you talk about it people start screaming "VEGAN!" and shitting their britches. Lowered consumption, less impactful farming methods, and more environmentally friendly animals to use, well that's just communism. All the major meat producing animals in my country are introduced species and require massive land clearance, but the second you point at the native fauna, that doesn't require forest to be clear cut and is naturally lean and say "lets eat that" people get upset because it's not a cow and is "cute" or similar saccharine shit.

>>376411503
We're gonna need another Teddy Roosevelt at this ate.

>>376411648
*some part of USA

>>376411581
He's absolutely right.

>>376411554
Walking skeleton here. If my chicken and bacon get taken away, I WILL fucking turn on you guys.

>>376411581
Imagine being this much of a faggot, basing your identity around a board that gets interracial cuckold spam on a taiwanese cartoon imageboard

go out into the street and cut down all telephone lines

if enough people do it, the isps wont have any "infrastructure" to levy and then it can be rebuilt by the government, making it public property

>>376411639
Actually that's literally all we would have to do.
Put on a moon magnet and the entire atmosphere would start healing on it's own.
The water in the planet will defroze, too, so life could be born there after a long time.

>>376409601
OH SHIT, COURSE IT COMES OUT WHEN I'M BROKE, I WANNA COME ON BONE TATS

>>376408602
Most people only have a choice between Time Warner Cable (Merged with Charter and is now known as Spectrum), Comcast and their phone service assuming they allow tethering. The latter two are probably the worse options because they have data caps that either charges you more for going over or throttles your internet speed.

>>376411769
chicken and pig are fine, its cow we need to stop eating

>>376411692

That might work for the banks but how do you break up multinational megacorps? I'm pretty sure Apple has their headquarters in the Netherlands or some shit. Although I welcome the idea since I have alot of respect for the guy.

>>376409170
France

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>>376411692
I wish we could revive him, keep him on life supports that make him immortal, and make him the Eternal Emperor of Ameri-kind.

He's so perfect. I want him to be president forever.

>>376411795
The "easy" way to do it would be to find a huge magnetic asteroid and haul it into orbit or something, but we're a long way away from being able to pull off a project like that still.

>>376411837
That shit that gives us milk and steak? Fuck no, you're not taking that away either.

>>376411610
Actually if ISPs wanted to offer a 'gaming package' that included higher speeds and guaranteed lower pings there's nothing stopping them under Title II rules.

What's prohibited is them going to the game companies and saying "If you want to be included in our game package, you have to pay us" and then throttling the connections of their users to any games that don't pay.

>>376410049
Blame doctors flip flopping on nutrition for that. People are retarded and see the failures of one branch of science and assume that the whole thing is ducked.

>>376411672

It's hard to change something so vital to humans as their eating habits. That's why so many fat people regain their weight after dieting. Common people also have a shitty understanding of vegan diet, thinking that it's only cold salad and bread.

destroy ISP infrastructure and rebuild it with tax dollars making it public property

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>>376411581
Not /pol/ booger man, nu-/pol/ booger man. Filthy foreigners from Instagram that flood in for the conservative memes.

Should have kept it a sekrit club motherfuckers. All of 4chan's problems can always be traced back to newfags, no matter what year it is. It's always newfags.

>>376408025
say you get your internet from the cable company but you watch all of your television off of PS4. without Net Neutrality the cable company can in theory throttle netflix and other streaming services in an effort to make cable television more appealing.

>>376411795
>so life could be born there after a long time.

>put metal moon in orbit
>the void dragon escapes
Thanks, science

>>376411827
>Comcast
>Data cap
Might vary by region or something, cause I sure as hell don't have a cap here. There was one month I torrented like 2TB of chinese cartoons and I never heard a peep from them.

>>376408025
Not just games but 4chan and piracy will be dead. But this is what you trumpledytes wanted, right? You did know Trump's stance on NN before you voted, right?

>>376412059
Getting hit directly by solar wind is the only reason Mars doesn't have a proper atmosphere.
Intelligent life?
Probably not, but plants and even animals could eventually appear.

Plus, considering a manned mission to Mars would be a one way trip, it's an attractive idea.

>>376408667
>free market

Into the trash it goes

>>376411956
>Common people also have a shitty understanding of vegan diet
To be fair vegans don't do much to prove that they're not complete asshats. Vegetarians don't eat (insert idea of what exactly constitutes your vegetarian beliefs here), vegans seem to subsist on self-righteousness.

>>376408025
If you play games online, yes definitely.

If you don't, it might still affect your download times.

I know, its a polygon article but read this
https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/9/14548880/time-warner-lawsuit-new-york-league-of-legends-netflix

And this happened before Trump, now the dirty poo in loo running the FCC wants to enact this on a nationwide scale, and if you support it because of Trump, you're a cuck.

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>>376411837
But I like my Wendy's?

>>376409531
literally any other country that isn't situated on the american continent.

Recently, I haven't been able to watch Twitch livestreams NOR archived vods. Connection always shits out, even at lowest quality.

But I'm able to watch YouTube vids for days. Something has to be going on with Google.

>>376412290
>I know, its a polygon article but read this
Give me an archived link and I might.

>americans are forever banned from gaming on the internet unless they pay out of the ass

Why is it a bad thing again?

>>376412378
which isp do you have?

>>376411838
>I'm pretty sure Apple has their headquarters in the Netherlands or some shit.
That's just old fashioned tax evasion.

Though IIRC the Netherlands are starting to change their laws so it won't be as easy in the future.

>>376412170
Maybe we can haul Ceres into Mars' orbit
If we have to fetch something from the Kuiper belt then that'll be a while

>>376412316
I might go buy her fresh meat today. Memes sold me.

>>376411956
More people need to know about Patrik Baboumian. Everyone thinks vegans are just grass grazing skeletal hippies who don't get any protein.
And PETA just makes things way worse.

>>376411837
Can we have shrimp and other seafood too?

>>376408667
This

I mean when Microsoft started forcing everyone to pay online to use Xbox everyone stopped playing Xbox because Sony and Nintendo were not forcing people to pay onli-

Oh, wait, the opposite fucking happened. All three decided to start charging monthly costs because if there is equality between corporations consumers lose the ability to choose.

But im sure the monopolies of ISPs will be fair!

>>376408025

You guys are getting confused.

Net neutrality and Obamas Net Neutrality bill are not the same thing.

>>376412407
Any games you play hosted in US or using US servers? If not, you're safe.

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>You lived long enough see murricans be driven out of the internet

2017, truly the year of Trump. MAGA!

>>376412495
>raping the ocean
fat asses should be pruned from this planet.

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>>376412316
Who don't?

>>376412407
>Have to pay extra to post per board
>We could finally kill /pol/ by forcing them to pay $1000 per post
Net Neutrality is bad. We must remove it!

>>376408395
The nation that is controlled by banks will continue being controlled by banks regardless of the PR dude sitting in the white house

>>376412209

For most parts that's just a prominent meme which vocal minority keep alive. No matter what belief, someone is going to be self-righteous about it.

>>376412496
>All three decided to start charging monthly costs because if there is equality between corporations consumers lose the ability to choose.
nintendo still hasnt done it, so your argument is bullshit until they do.

>>376412290
I'm going to assume the gist of this is that
>Yes, the "conspiracy" theories already happened before. They 100% want to fuck particular services, and subsequently (you), over.

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>>376412579
Nintendo already said that once the service is ready they're going to start charging for it.

>>376412579
The Switch is getting a monthly online fee you dumb twat

>>376412624
>still havent done it
good try nigger

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4chan won't be affected by this, right?

It's not like 4chan has financial competitors or anything

>>376412524
Fuck you shrimp, stop pretending you're endangered. Shrimp Scampi is one of the most amazing meals ever created and you'll never take it from me.

>>376412449
Comcast. Problem persists even after hardware resets on my router as well.

>/pol/ hates brown skins and Jimmy Grants
>pro-life even though abortions kill more potential minority fetuses than whites
>anti-environment even though climate refugees will put immigrants everywhere you god damn look
Damn, there's only one thing I can say to shit like this, and it's that it's not vidya

>>376412643
>getting a monthly fee
not the same as
>currently has a monthly fee
xbox live came out 15 years ago and nintendo STILL has free online.

good try retard.

>>376412407
Because where America leads, the rest of the world follows like mindless sheep.

Except for the shitholes. Hope you live in a shithole!

>>376412663
American people democratically voted for Trump, now enjoy his policies. If you complain you're a communist.

>>376412663
It doesnt matter if they target 4chan directly or not

They could do any sort of package to fuck you over

>Pay extra during peak times
>Pay extra to post on forums
>Pay extra to upload/download images
>Pay extra to stream movies or webms

Jesus ISPs could start forcing you to pay more just to access porn on their network.

>>376412692
If i were you id do the old ISP switchero.

switch ISP's and wait until that one goes to shit then switch right back to comcast if needed.

>>376412560
>which vocal minority keep alive
I seem to always meet that vocal minority then. I know plenty of vegetarians, or low meat intake eaters, but every vegan I have ever met is an insufferable prick that seems to be trying to up the ante on the "I'm a vegan and a douchebag" ideal. I actually met two people who were vegans and had their two cats on a vegan diet right up to the point the RSPCA took the poor things away from them. I think it really depends on the locality you live than the mindset.

>>376412716
You're literally on the same level as chinks spawning mutant fish in their smog-ridden cities.

Quit being a retard.

>>376412209
>To be fair vegans don't do much to prove that they're not complete asshats
It's really easy to think that. Especially when you have shitty organizations like PETA screeching at everybody.
I've met my fair share of vegans, vegetarians, and omnivores. In my experience, vegans are just like anyone else. It's always just been a vocal minority that people hear about. However, I can tell you, being stuck in the middle, I get far more shit from omnivores the second they discover my eating habits.

>>376412715
Yes /pol/ is full of retards, this is nothing new.

>>376412663
There are many, many people who would prefer it if 4chan just disappeared.

Imagine someone who was so mad at 4chan-spawned culture that she successfully got a cartoon frog defined as a hate symbol. Now imagine this person has tens of millions of dollars at her disposal to give ISPs who probably want 4chan gone anyway.

>>376412791
>You're literally on the same level as chinks spawning mutant fish in their smog-ridden cities.
???????????????????????

what does this have to

>>376412716
>http://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/
>PAID SERVICE LAUNCHING FALL 2017
Retard

>>376412513
Good thing i play in EU server.
Less 10 y/o kids that all had sex with my mom

>>376412773
>Jesus ISPs could start forcing you to pay more just to access porn on their network.
They'd have a riot on their hands

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>mfw comcast starts blocking all news except for MSNBC after NN is abolished

fake news btfo

>>376412860
>fall 2017
>current summer 2017
>ignores the 15 years of free online
good try nigger

>>376412716
>NINTENDO ARE STILL THE GOOD GUYS FOR THE NEXT 9 WEEKS GUYS!!!

>>376412553
I'm 101% behind that

>>376412378
Comcast is throttling your connections to stifle your data usage. It's what they do.

>>376412495
If we could find a more sustainable method, sure.

>>376412925
Okay kiddo, you just keep pretending to know what you're talking about. Here is your last (you)

>>376410983
The only possible future is to create human-machines. The best of humans with the best of robotic instruments and AI.

These hybrids could sail and colonize the stars no matter the gap in technology that force us at a snail's pace compared to light.

As long as we are bound to the limitations of flesh the only real possibility of travelling in space is by HUGE generation ships that are then sent on their own with a good luck message.

But how could you force hundreds of generations of humans to live on a ship in space? Granted it might not be that bad or they might not care a lot considering they know no better but still...

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>>376408112
At this point anyone still supporting trump while knowing anything about technology just does it for the sake of contrarianism (see /pol/).

He's a neo-con pushover. If you're browsing 4chan, you're somebody that he either hates or doesn't give a shit about.

>>376412925
11 years of subpar online experiences.*

>>376412378
Google "net neutrality" and see how many anti-net neutrality articles come up. It's pretty funny.

>>376408152
But /pol/tards also say that net neutrality will somehow allow the government to have more control over content on the internet.
I just don't know how.

>>376413013
b-but trump makes the libtards mad! that means I have to support everything he does

>>376412925
I think you mean 11 years of abysmal shit online, friend codes, non-understanding of modern competitive gaming, and being cheap assholes.

>>376412475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuHTN7YJRgI

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>>376408667
This would make sense if there was a wide variety of ISP choice.

As it is, some people have no choice at all. In an ideal world you'd remove the regulation and let people pick and choose, but in a world where there's such limited ISP choice all you're doing is enabling a monopoly.

>>376412790

Damn, that sounds fucked up. I know plenty of vegans, even some who own animals, who are not like that. Funny enough, I don't know any vegetarians. It's vegan or nothing around here.

>>376408745

Weren't we all supposed to be underwater by now? What happened?

>>376412864
Riot? No. After all, people would have to be willing to walk the streets admitting they watch porn. Lose ALL of their customers absolutely.

>>376408497
More importantly, ISPs could decide Skype calls and Netflix is more important than your video games and assign a lower priority to certain ports.
That goes double for p2p torrents, of course.

>>376410176
Because the problem doesn't just end when the causes are taken care of. The whole 2C red-line scientists are freaking the fuck out over is a point of no return, if we hit that then the earth will start a cycle where it causes more problems, which cause more problems.
>>376410380
>euphorianiggers honestly think that colonizing mars is a simpler task than fixing our planet

>>376412579
I wish. Only PC is left.

>>376413036
I don't even know how Nintendo can even justify charging for online play, when their fans don't buy anything other than what they make and they only release 2 games a year max that has bare bones at best online play.

>>376413214
I definitely know people that have one ISP available to them. I used to have a choice between Google Fiber and Comcast. And that seems to be gone, so I'm actually stuck with Comcast.

There isn't actual competition possible right now.

>>376413294
Not easier, but more necessary.
Even if we fix Earth, we still have the problem of overpopulation.
We need to either start expanding, or die.

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>>376413295
>mfw steam announces paid online

>>376408025
It could, in theory.

The problem with all this bullshit isn't really net neutrality per se, it's that ISPs have, by and large, been moving into areas that don't involve the providing of internet services and are brushing up against conflicts of interest.

tl;dr: if you mandate the split of service providers from content providers this problem will cease to exist.

I wouldn't know, I'm from EU

>>376408025
Hey ther Oriveru-chan!

>>376410537
Sounds like communism to me
>thinking Americans will ever get off their collective fat asses and do something about their shitty situation
As fucking stupid as antifa is, at least they go out and start shit in the name of their cause, instead of all the posturing "muh freedom" fags whose greatest contribution they can muster is a protest vote.

>>376413350
Yep. Exactly. If people had at minimum a choice between like five or six different providers, you'd end up with free market competition in a deregulated environment.

But that doesn't exist at the moment, so net neutrality must be maintained.

>>376413373
Over population is a meme and only affects third world shitholes like India, half of the global population is there along with China.

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>>376408667
>>376408602

Is this excellent baitposing or the proof that we have middle schoolers pretending to know about the real world?

>>376413217
I think it probably comes from local culture. Very left leaning city, so the only people who are going to cry out that they're vegans are going to be the insufferable pricks who want attention while the people that aren't terrible people just get on with their lives. Extremes breed opposite extremes, but neutrality does the same with people acting as far out as they can for the attention they believe isn't being given to their cause, even though the neutrality is bred from a quiet acceptance of "do your own shit man".

>muh govt control of everything
>muh TV licences
>wahhhhh cable companies are offering free bundled video content it's not fair bros!!!!

shut up commies

every year it's some new conspiracy. This might amaze you but companies actually want to make consumers happy

>>376413501
>Over population is a meme
Yes, I know absolutely fucking everything in this universe is a meme, reddit.

>only affects third world shitholes like India
It does, and when they run out of space, where do you think they'll go to, retard?

>>376413425
You can have options on PC. It's not a closed platform.

>>376413501
One suburbian american requires vastly more resources than some dirt-eating ricefarming indians

>>376413431
No it wouldn't, because ISPs would still have the incentive to accept payments from corporations to lower the speeds of their competition.

It's absolutely a net neutrality problem. The death of net neutrality is the death of the fabric of the internet.

>>376413454
Yeah, how is lack of net neutrality any worse than having 1 ISP with a monopoly giving you shit speeds to begin with?

Do you like the way the Internet is right now?

Then you like Net Neutrality.

You have NOTHING to gain from removing Net Neutrality except paying more money for your Internet.

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>>376408667
Your ISP will only fix it if they have a vested interest (ie: losing customers) in fixing it. For folks in Los Angeles and New York City? No problem! Lots of competition to choose from!!

For everyone else in the country you fucking knuckle-dragging inbred mongoloid who only have ONE SINGLE ISP CHOICE? Your ideas just fucked them over, and now they're outside your front door carrying rifles and shotguns, wishing to have a word with you.

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>>376413565
>This might amaze you but companies actually want to make consumers happy

>>376413373
>but more necessary.
Highly doubtful. Overpopulation stops being an issue as countries develop more, even China's birthrate has rapidly declined since the 80's and is only now starting to pick back up. Developing said countries would be easy enough but would go against the ideals of capitalism so it doesn't get done. Ironically at the same time something on the scale of colonizing another planet would require capitalism to be thrown out the window, at least temporarily, but no one seems to give a shit because of euphoric reasons.

>>376413295
>Lootboxes, early access beta, and other freemium garbage.

everybody pays one way or another.

>>376413565
Oh, /pol/. You try so hard to understand and fail every time.

>>376413651

>You already have ISP's dick in your ass, what's so bad about getting donkey-punched too?

>>376413294
>>376413729
What do you hope to accomplish by spamming 'euphoria' over and over?
It's a fact we will eventually have to leave this place.

>>376413162
>>376413036
>>376412994
>free internet access is bad because the service is shit
no idea what you retards expect for free.

so why do you niggers support "free" healthcare and expect it to be any better than nintendos free services?

>>376413650
They have that incentive whether or not the FCC enforces net neutrality or not.

The only difference is they'd have to violate the law to do it.

Corporations certainly don't have a history of doing that.

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Unironically honest question here.

What stops people from getting a VPN or using TOR to mantain net neutrality? Isn't the content of the data encrypted in that case, making it impossible to discriminate?

It's not like they can ban VPNs, banks, employers and the military need them.

>>376413505
The latter. Excellent quality bait-posting isn't something /v/ is typically known for. Standard and low-quality bp yes.

I swear this site has more retarded 6 year olds infesting it than every server for Call of Duty combined.

>>376408025
Trump wants a free market with subsidies. a true republican

>>376413842
>It's a fact we will eventually have to leave this place.
Yeah, in several thousand years, assuming we last that long. We've had thousands of years here, we have the science that tells us how we should be living, yet we still fucking everything up. How the hell do you think we'd be successful at something that monumental when we can't figure shit like current affairs out? That's why its euphoric, because you people have no fucking grasp on how difficult a task this will end up being.

>>376413814
>/pol/
>"This might amaze you but companies actually want to make consumers happy"
Come on now anon.

>>376413903
What's stopping them from just, you know, throttling all kinds of encrypted data?

>>376413881
This is a weird line of logic.

Why have any business regulations, under that logic? Why have any laws at all?

Making it illegal means you have a process to stop it.

>>376410380
Even after a nuclear apocalypse, global warming, or meteor strike, earth will still be a more habitable place than mars.

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>>376408126
Like this retard?
People like this should be shot desu

>>376414012
Trump wants the rich to rule over the lower classes and take our money, a true republican.

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>>376414025
>humanity
>leaving this place
>existing
>couple of thousand years

Face it anon, we've passed our high water mark and it probably happened before you were born.

>>376408667
>Implying most people in the US have more than 2 choices
Maybe you should stop talking about policy until you start paying your own bills.

>>376410185
Communism

>>376413565
>companies actually want to make consumers happy
Obviously you're in middle school. All companies want is the highest profit for the lowest cost. Consumer satisfaction is too fucking expensive.

>>376414140
look man we said the same things. you just cut out the bullshit.

>>376414025
What I do know is that doing fuckall about it won't get us there any sooner.

>>376411047
I guess that's why the US is the number 1 polluter in the world... Oh wait...

>>376414316
It is per capita

>>376413565
>companies actually want to make consumers happy
Yeah, those consumers that own stocks.

>>376414316
Per capita we are, China only has us beat because of raw population.

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>>376410050
> people complain about /pol/ calling everyone a jew
> they do the fucking same just throw /pol/ at everything

> mfw there is no difference between /pol/ and no-/pol/

>>376414374
>Per capita we are
> big fat people
> eating big fat portions
> polluting the air with gas

no wonder.

>>376414270
Yeah and doing fuck all about the problems here and now will guarantee we won't make it to your idea.

>>376414341
you can thank those hillary voting city people for all of that pollution and consumption.

>>376413867
More like no-one would've paid for it because it was so bad.

>blah blah blah "free" healthcare strawman blah blah.
I dunno, let's ask Australia or any European country about their health care system, you idiot.

>>376414072
But it's not going to stop it. It's just going to impose fines that are cheaper to pay than ignoring the income of people paying you to throttle traffic.

I guarantee you any law like that enforced by the FCC will have absolutely no teeth.

>>376414442
>More like no-one would've paid for it because it was so bad.
yeah i wouldnt pay for free shit either and yet here you are advocating for free internet.

>blah blah blah "free" healthcare strawman blah blah.
not an argument.

and free healthcare wont happen.

>I dunno, let's ask Australia or any European country about their health care system, you idiot.
none of them are 70% overweight, good try fat fuck.

I am fucking astounded there are people defending ISP's and trying to promote the destruction of Net Neutrality.

I didn't used to believe in paid Internet shills but now I think there seriously are interns at Comcast doing this shit

>>376410713
who said the data was skewed? Oh yeah, politicians and pundits with their pockets lined with fossil fuel money. How fucking dense can you be? I actually am a biomedical researcher and at least in my field, one where the pharmaceutical industry is closely tied to, there is no tampering with data.

I can't stand how this jihad against scientists, and you /pol/tards think you're railing against the system when you're really just eating out the palm of the "globalist" corporations you decry so often. Fuck off, a read a book

>>376413373
The problem isn't necessarily overpopulation, but what a population consumes. If we could figure out ways to live more sustainable, the Earth could easily accommodate more people. That, and I don't think population is a real concern in the long run as the more educated people become, the less children they have. As humanity progresses, we'll start having less kids. Worst case, we may end up having Japan's population problem.

>>376414434
so now its the cities fault for all the pollution? not 'real america' eating more meat than an african village will see in its lifetime and rolling coal on their shitty pickup trucks?

>>376414521
Contrarianism is a beautiful thing

>>376414521
Its worse, its newfags from /r/the_donald who take any position that trump supports and makes it their own.

>>376414521
It definitely was originally only shills. Now there are retard(ed kid)s that truly believe them now.

>>376414564
>so now its the cities fault for all the pollution?
they produce the most pollution by far.

>not 'real america' eating more meat than an african village will see in its lifetime and rolling coal on their shitty pickup trucks?
also known as city people.

source: http://mirror.unhabitat.org/downloads/docs/E_Hot_Cities.pdf

>>376411269
Will he use the money finally afford a loo to poo in?

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>>376414521
You don't believe in shills?

>>376414679
That is a shill, but not paid, and not for Denuvo. He's a shill for capitalism itself. I'm sure he is personally offended at the idea that people might receive for free something he had to waste hours of his life to get.

>>376414521
>destruction of Net Neutrality.
You can't destroy something that never existed

>>376413662
I don't know why this is so hard for some people to get. I fucking hate political parties and anyone who blindly sides with one or the other.