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Why do JRPG developers insist on using N64-PS2 era graphics?

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Why do JRPG developers insist on using N64-PS2 era graphics? Why not make use of the PS4's full power
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The games would be shit because all the money would be spent into graphics
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>>376378498
>The PS4's full power
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>>376378498
Japan cares more about the narrative than the graphics. It's why things like VNs work over there.
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Bless the day idiots realize graphics do not make the game and that design is everything.

Automatas graphics are the least of its problems
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Because they are typically lower budget games.
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>>376378498
>n64-ps2

i think youre exaggerating a little too much or too young to actually remember what n64 and ps2 graphics look like.
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Because they know the video games is not for the graphics
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Op is a fag lets talk about dat ass.
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>>376378498
Because graphics don't make the game good, and the amount of manpower required to push games into envelope-pushing range is exponential.
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>>376378498
>Why not make use of the PS4's full power
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>>376378859
This, I want underage kiddies to fucking leave.
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Because even the biggest fanbases of games like that can't push it past 1 or 2 million copies, and people already love the games, even with the bad graphics. Why cut into profits when you don't have to?
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>>376378498
I want to sniff her asshole.
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>>376378498
I wonder what her brap smells like haha
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>>376379043
>mfw children say "this has PS2 graphics"
>launch title graphics would look like baby's first CGI these days
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Graphics are not everything but they are always very pretty.

Stop being so pretentious. It would be nice. They really put very low effort in that, it could be better. Not Uncharted 4... But better that Nier, yes.
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>>376379003
2B's ass has been discussed to fucking death, fuck off

It's 2B/9S posting time faggots
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>>376378498
It's funny because Nier IS using the PS4s full power.
>900p
>frame drops
>looks like shit
>long ass loading
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>>376378498
>PS4's full power
That's full power anon.
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>>376379553
i will continue to talk about and post until i turn gay or die my freinds so you kindly fuck off
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>>376380138
Knack 2 WHEN?
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>>376378498
I want toobee to sit on my face!
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Imagine how much more engaging Nier would have been if the textures didn't want to make you puke. Imagine how Persona 5 would be if they used more detailed models for the palaces.

Ironically, Japan manufactures the PS4 yet doesn't care to make use of its amazing capabilities
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>>376379043
nope, this is late PS2 era shit
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>>376378498
Because JRPGs are for people with a functional brain, and people with a functional brain know graphics don't really matter.
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>>376378683
>>376378790
>>376378937
>>376383871
Dont act like japan makes good gameplay, look at shit like persona, DQ, or whatever visual novel shit

And their stories are shallow and uninteresting filled with outdated tropes and poor writing
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>>376379553
I want 2B to choke me.
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>>376383339
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>>376384162
This bait will get someone.
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>>376384162
dude, are you serious? Persona 5 has universally been praised by fans and critics alike as having one of the best (and politically conscious) stories of all games ever made.
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>>376383704
No thats more early ps3 if anything.
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>>376378790
too much boner to play game good. right, zog?
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>>376384281
And its gameplay is shit, why is that?
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>>376381904
godspeed, bonegro
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>>376384206
I want 2B and A2 to cuddle with me
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>>376384468
but it's not. Crafting new personas and social links are fun. Plus, the turn based combat is actually kind of fun
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>>376383434
It has no amazing capabilities. It's a mid range chip from 2012 paired with a low power cpu. Also, persona 5 is a ps3 to Ps4 port, so they had to work with limitations a decade behind modern hardware.
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Most japanese developers can barely fucking afford to make rpgs to begin with, focusing on graphics would completely fuck them. Look at how badly it fucked up FFXV despite all the money SE had available to throw at that game.
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>>376384630
>A2

Disgusting.
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>>376378498
As someone that still has their N64 and PS2 and actually still goes back to play games on them from time to time, you've clearly never owned those consoles
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>>376384162
(you)
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>>376383704
>global illumination
>them particles
There's a reason it runs poorly on PS4.
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>>376385167
>that pic
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>>376383704
t. never seen a PS2 in real life
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>>376380138
>framerate jumps up as particles disappear
Wow imagine that
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using PS2 graphics is utilizing its full power.
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>>376387232
Sexual harassment 2B is best 2B.
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>>376388178
2B is sub as fuck though. The only time she lays a finger on 9S is when she's killing him.
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>>376378790
I don't mind the dated graphics, but the optimization is terrible.
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>>376388274
I think it's less about her being a sub, and more about her not wanting to regret killing him over and over more than she already does.
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>>376383704
Even BotW blows the fuck away Nier2
I still love both games
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Japanese developers don't have 500 million bucks to blow on a NEXT GEN GRAFIX game like western publishers do. (funny with all that money and it doesn't even look any better although it sure does require more hardware power to keep up)
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They have different priorities than Western developers. Instead of pushing some technical edge, they look at what they can already do and work well within them. Not all that glitters is gold.

Western developers would do well to learn from this. A lot less companies probably would have went out of business last gen if they had. Consider that some of the most popular games in the world are League, Warcraft, Hearthstone, etc. For fuck's sake, Minecraft dwarfed everything.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I like me some shiny sometimes. But it seems most mainstream devs are just obsessed with the shiny and make the same shit we had last gen but with cutting edge visuals and particle effects. They're not really trying to give us anything new, or think of anything clever that would be fun to play with.

Indie devs don't understand this either, ironically. But they're forced into that place by budget restraints, time, and limited personnel. Yet sometimes they strike gold, and you get a lot of fun little games out of them. There's a lot of bad ones too, but there always will be.
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>>376388823
Not many companies put large budgets into graphics technology and yet Japan does invest more than it should into them. Look at FFXV, and yes even Nier had too much money put into the visuals. They're using a lot of middleware that is literally unnecessary and pretty much only bogs down the frame rate and loading.
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>>376385167
>D to A to B cup
what did the artist mean by this
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>>376384468
>gameplay is shit
>implying you know what "good gameplay" is
Good one
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>>376378498

They're already pushing it to its limit as it is
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>>376384281
ADULTS F#!%NG SUCK MAN!

Fuck man this better be bait because you don't know shit about good plots if you seriously believe this shit
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>>376388913
nice floor texture idiot
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>>376390102
this might be my favorite post on all of /v/, just the absurdity of that sentence
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>>376378498
Well I suppose in Nier's case they had to tone down the graphics to not leave the PC version too far behind.

Remember the PS4 is a supercharged PC so it'll be several more years til regular PCs catch up. When you look at true exclusives such as Uncharted 4 and Horizon Zero Dawn is when you see the raw horsepower of the PS4 truly shine, not being held back by the inferior PC.
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>>376378498
>the PS4's full power
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>>376390315
IT'S KNACK BABEE
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>>376380138
that's just bad optimization of the hardware they have to work with
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>>376379187
I remember when the Diablo II cutscenes looked like real life ;_;
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>>376378498
Gonna cover my dick in super glue n shove it up her ass.
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>>376384162

Japan makes good gameplay and the stories are mostly good
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>>376392634
Can you imagine if someone actually did that? What a fucking nightmare that would be to undo.
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>>376384281
>politically conscious story
>lmao adults are bad XD
pick one
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>>376378498
Because JRPGs don't have that much of a budget. Don't mistake them all for a juggernaut like Square Enix.
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>>376378498
I feel like nier is a crazy good example of canary in the nerd girl mine.

Like the speed that cosplay camgirls latched to it similiar to harley quin shows that it HAD to become a success.
For some reason camgirl cosplayers are super good at finding out what design works on a sexual level.
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>>376394880
Probably toxic at fuck too because of all the mucous membrane in the ass.
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>>376395938
>manhands

Disgusting
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In 10 years, games like Gravity Rush 2 and Persona 5 will still look good. Games like Prey and Horizon will not.

Stylized art > pure graphical horsepower when it comes to your game's visuals holding up over the years.
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>>376378498
japs don't care about graphics
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>>376396318
This
Prey is the most generic, realistic, brown n bloom, non existent art style bullshit AAA tripe ive ever seen. Same with Cuckonored.
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>>376378498
Because the game runs at 60 fps. I would say I'm disappointed for it to take this long for someone to give the real reason but whatever.
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>>376396318
>gravity rush 2
>implying this looks good in 2017
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>>376397234
No amount of graphical fidelity can make up for bad taste, anon
I'm so sorry
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>>376397948
He's probably a butthurt Preyfag thinking his Cowadooty realism bullshit looks good.
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>>376383704
not even close
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>>376384281
>politically conscious
Never played persona.Its a political game?Wouldn't have guessed so from the oooooo so cool *snaps fingers* style, and jap highschool setting
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>>376397948
Take your eyes off the waifu for 2 seconds and look at the environment. It's not stylized at all.
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>>376378498
There's not a lot of power to be had, remember the framedrops in Bloodborne
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>>376396429
Dishonored does have an art style.Its not made to look hyper realistic.
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>>376397234
>>376398312
Except it is stylized you fucking retard
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>>376392527
IKR and when FF8 came out, the CGI cutscenes blew everyone away.
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>>376398485
damn.. look at this art style I just created
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>>376398362
I wish some weirdo would just go ask Miyazaki about all the footfaggotry in his games. There's too much for it to be some coincidence. Not that I mind.
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>>376398732
Good meme
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>>376398047
realism is better than animu artstyle in every way though
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Nintendo sells games that are graphically 10 years behind the west and the underage/nostalogiafags buy them happily.
I assume thats the main reason other jap devs pay little mind to graphical fidelity.
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>>376398948
Max Payne 3, the most stylized game ever made
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>>376399092
That's objectively wrong though
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>>376399092
>muh realism
>better than anything
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>>376378498
wtf is this disgusting image you normalshit


killl YOURSELF

no wonder why nier is the normalfag crater
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>>376396429
And as someone who's actually played the game, I was just thinking about how colorful it was LOL
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>>376399196
I don't get it
What point are you even trying to make?
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>>376399224
>>376399232
You weebshits aren't objective. I am

The only difference between realism and animu is that animu looks like trash at release and keeps looking like trash afterwards
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>>376384468
Quick menu based gameplay is infinitely better than the slog that I experience in most triple A games. I don't care what you anti turn based fags say - i don't care about combat like the witcher, or menial action RPGs. Selecting actions with a single button with infinite time to wait and strategize is so much comfier.
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>>376399302
That's literally wrong PERIOD the argument is already over
Reality looks like trash and as technology gets better, old reality will always look exponentially worse
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>>376399359
That better have a dick.
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>>376395938
Remainder that some neckbeard bought her a ps4 just so that she would play Nier 2
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>>376379553
I will be eternally mad that Memory Thorn was not explained in game itself because together with it 2B/9S are the best love story in entire medium.
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>>376399401
>reality looks like trash

That's the delusional weeb speaking. You'll never live in your animu world, deal with it. You're not objective as I was saying, because games with animu art style are meant for anime fan losers like you. No offense btw
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>>376399281
Gravity Rush 2 has realistic visuals just like Call of Duty. Only the characters are stylized. Can you not see that the environments look just like a slightly filtered, slightly lower-res Max Payne 3?

My point is that GR2 is gonna look like shit in 10 years (it already looks pretty bad in some screenshots), while something like Wind Waker is timeless because everything is stylized, not just the characters.
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>>376399552
Dude I just looked outside my window and there's nothing but fucking brown and grey and just some boring ass old trees and shit, are you actually saying that's an interesting and good looking environment LMAO
Get fucked, kid
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>>376399629
Wow you live in shitty country most likely. Or perhaps you're poor and live in a shitty area.That's probably where your escapism comes from. I would advise suicide
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>>376399583
>>376399612
now this is cosplay
not just a stupid whore that found a white wig and slapped a hankerchief on her face, lazy cunt
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wat a normalfag thread

i hope /a/ raped your face last year


before /a/ got shitter
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>>376395938
>>"For some reason camgirl cosplayers are super good at finding out what design works on a sexual level."

...I don't think the mystery is as great as you think it is anon
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>>376399607
>Gravity Rush 2 has realistic visuals just like Call of Duty
No it doesn't, you dingus and neither does Max Payne 3, not looking like Windwaker doesn't mean it's not stylized
And it's not a fucking binary thing anyway, it isn't an argument of heavy stylization vs photorealism
There's plenty of other aspect to good environments like art direction and design
Y'know crafting interesting and good looking locations like you see in >>376397234
Look at the buildings, the architecture and etc
It looks good despite its graphical fidelity
Does to me at least, your taste is just shit if you imagine Windwaker is some kind of pinnacle of ageless graphics, it could look a million times better without ever compromising its style and you can really easily see its technological limitations nowadays
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>>376399706
Terrible advice, how would suicide help? Especially since anime already exists and I can easily escape with it
Goes to show what a moron you are and my advice would be never to speak again to save the rest of us from it and not release your stupidity into the universe and infect others
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2B makes my dick diamonds.

It is like some sort of primal attraction. She is perfect.
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>>376384468
LOL
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>>376399583
>>376399612
I need those heels on my dick right now.
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>>376400132
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>>376400132
>make a 10/10 cutie
>BTFO all waifufags by giving her a canon love interest
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>>376400035
But the closer a game gets to photorealism, the worse it ages. That was the argument, wasn't it? Because I agree with that, I just think GR2 was not the best example to support that claim. If the environments were in the same style as the characters, then it would be a great example, but they are not.

Here's a more recent example of a stylized game (I've never played it though).
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>>376383704
>newfags detected
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>>376400470
>But the closer a game gets to photorealism, the worse it ages
I don't agree with that though, I've never found photorealism appealing to begin with even when it represents the most technically advanced graphics possible, but regardless of that I can appreciate the visuals so long as it was well designed
This screenshot of Crysis 3 looks nice to me not because it's going for photorealism, but because the environment looks well designed and that's a considerably old game by now
Windwaker looks nice regardless of it being low tech because of its design, but you can still tell it's aged
The point that I'm making is that graphical fidelity at least for me plays a second seat to art direction
I'm not bothered even slightly by dated graphics if the design holds up
Also, environments not being in the same style as the characters in GR2 isn't even true imo
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>>376401556
Forgot the screenshot
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>>376378498
Why put any effort into your game when waifufags and horny weebs will lap your shit up regardless.
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>>376378498
BREAK NEWS: THATS PS4 FULL POWER
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>>376399359
ugly cosplay. zero effort in this costume
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>>376378742
VN had dead
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>>376401832
and it looks shit
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>>376378498
>that pic
Hnng
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Because you dumb weebs will buy it anyways. Why put the effort in? You bitch about console graphics and then go out and buy weeb shit on PC that looks like shit.
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>westaboos trying to act superior
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>>376404870
Name 1 (one) good western game with good graphX
Professional advice: you're unable to
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>>376378498
Because unless you're square enix baby u dont get the same budget like final fantasy.

nier automata aint even a AAA title and selling 1million copies was good enough for the ceo of square enix and president of platinum games to come on a celebration stream.
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>>376383434
Persona 5 is a PS3 game though
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>>376378790
The design is shit though. Enemies are generic, the environments are dull and the combat is too simplistic to keep you engaged. The only thing it has going for it is the story according to you fags but that's shit too.

I'm 4 hours in. Does it ever get good or should I just drop it?
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>>376378498
Because we reached the point where graphics are becoming time/money/manpower hog. I don't want to say that making /good/ PS2-era model is one day's work, but it's certainly much easier than doing ultra-detailed next-gen model with facial pores and shit.
With less impressive graphics you can pour more money on other aspects of the game, with less detailed models 3d-modelers can make more distinctive characters instead of relying on palette-swaps, with less triangles in one frame console may be busy doing something else.

Not only that, but there is problem of interaction with game world. There's nothing worse than highly-detailed model doing basic movements to do X. Like, having single animation for pulling levers, pushing buttons and taking items. When it's chibi doll, your mind is ready to let it slide, but when it's fucking trillions of polygons with simulated clothes, hair and so on, brains just go "NOPE SHIT IT'S SHIT".

Remember the time when Doom 3 and HL2 released. D3 was first one, and it's engine was supposed to be extra nice with all dynamic lightning and shit. But no matter how good shadows were it all just fell flat when fucking imps had box-like heads and characters you were supposed to stare at in cutscenes were showing off their cool edges.
HL2 went in less hardware-expensive direction, using shaders to cover up lack of dynamic lights and shadows. Character models were much more detailed and polished than D3's. World didn't look like it's made of plastic.

Graphically perfect game, thus, is not the one with largest textures and polycount, but the one which uses them well. Tone model down from 200000 to 2000, and use now vacant computing power for nice effects.
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>>376405913
but why even make PS3 games in 2016/2017? Why did the Japs even invent the PS4 if they were just gonna make all their good games for the PS3?
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>>376406781
Because they had to compete with the xbone
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>>376378790
>>376378498
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>>376406747
>Because we reached the point where graphics are becoming time/money/manpower hog. I don't want to say that making /good/ PS2-era model is one day's work, but it's certainly much easier than doing ultra-detailed next-gen model with facial pores and shit.

this is hilarious because CAPCOM posted that it took them less effort and money to make the detailed RE7 models than the RE6 ones.

>weebs are still are retarded as ever
lmao no surprise there
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>>376406090
I'm 25 hours in and it JUST started getting good. Not even great or amazing, just not making me want to lobotomize myself. I shudder to think what Nier was like by comparison.
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>>376407006
>nigger
>no nigger
we've come a long way
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>>376407006
>Western devs can actually optimize
>Nip devs just brute force

Did we go into bizarro world?
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>>376407006
>Swedish devs

https://a.uguu.se/C6ZIV3pIn4ym_Bf420160121203612098%281%29.webm
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>>376395938
>proffessional sluts know what arouses their beta followers
wew who would have thought that
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>>376407087
>RE7 is ultra-detailed next-gen shit
Delusional weeb fanboy
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>>376407225
Thanks for the heads up. I'll just drop it then.
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>>376407298
>car clips through a guy
>literally same guy runs across the street a little further and disappears while still in view
Lol, nice game
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unff
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>>376407310
>RE7
>looks better than Nier PS2mata and RE6
>costed less than RE6 which also looks better than Nier PS2mata

shit nippon devs, thats all there is
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>>376407505
Fucking christ, who is that?
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>>376383704
>PS2 era shit

looks more like upscaled mid-gen ps3
metro, last of us, gow3 all look better, but it's not quite ps2 tier
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>>376382010
It's coming and it looks about as lame as the first game
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>>376407608
Resident Evil is nip shit though
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>OP being this much of a faggot
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>>376407803
irrelevant though
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>>376380138
Anyone can make a game that runs like shit on any machine. It's very very easy, anon.
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>>376407087
>one counter example invalidates everything
Why I even bothered writing it?
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>>376378498
The better question is why didn't they make the game with anime graphics? It would have looked better and run better.
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>>376398732
That game is already stylized though you fucking mook.
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>>376399607
You're a complete idiot. I hope you realize that.
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>>376408420
But Knack was made by the architect of the PS4 himself!
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Hey look we give you an ass game.
Anon
>I WANT ASS GAME! I CAN FAP TO THIS!
Pathetic.
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Why did PS2 graphics become such a meme?
Do people who never lived through the PS2 era just naturally assume that the jump between the PS2 to the PS3 was as pathetic as the jump from the PS3 to the PS4 or something?
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>>376407225

Nier is a mess. I just kept on playing because of this supposedly great story that never came through. Turns out /v/ is full of idiots that have never read a good book in their lives.
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>>376400470
You're right that Gravity Rush 2 isn't the best example of effecient stylization.

But saying it looks like Call of Duty is not really justified.

Naruto is one of the most perfectly achieved anime-looks though. Really masterful.
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>>376409751
And so what.
Doesn't mean he makes good judgment calls on when or when not to instantiate thousands particles.
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>>376408852
>Why I even bothered writing it?

Don't post walls of text on /v/ unless you're trying to be funny.

This ain't your grand dads internet forum.
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>>376411226
>This ain't your grand dads internet forum
It literally is, you underage turd
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>>376378498
>That isn't even my real full power!
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>>376406090
if you pirated it just drop the game, nothing lost nothing gained
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>>376378498
>N64-PS2 era graphics
Get out of here, underaged inbred tranny faggot.
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>>376395938
>For some reason camgirl cosplayers are super good at finding out what design works on a sexual level.

are you fucking retarded the ACTUAL DESIGNER that designed the fucking costume knows what design works on a sexual level that's why they are paid to do what they do you fucking mongoloid
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>>376388913
>FFXV
Looks like shit, lass. Why even bring it up?
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>>376413296
Because they spent the better part of 10 years on the game's graphics.
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>>376378498
so THIS.... is the powa... of the ps4/..........
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>>376413961
That's pretty baffling.
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>>376379031
>Game do
>Its just a particle overdose
>Not even pretty ones
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>>376395938

Who
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>>376378498
That is the ps4's full potentiel.
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>>376399359

Why do people even cosplay female character if they have no penis?
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>>376409932
Because there is tons of PS3 games that is essentially PS2 games, in HD or HD ready.
Even for Launch games for the Xbox 360 it holds true, where only Kameo would truly be a HD title.
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>>376378498
>complains about graphics
>posts low res version of photo
OP is a faggot.

thank you gelbooru and reverse image search function.
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>>376383704
I don't think you realise how much of a money-sink graphics are in any form of media. Developers with a virtually unlimited pool of resources can afford the time and staff to make the awesome graphics people demand whearas poorfags can only put out so much.
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graphics aside automata actually feels older-gen but in a good way
anyone else feel this way?
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>>376416721
Reminder that free tech demos and cheap indie games have better graphics than Nier.
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>>376399612
>>376399583
Highest quality material I've seen so for in a 2B cosplay, she knows what shes doing
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>>376407505
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>>376415253
It attracts penises.
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>>376399394
What's wrong? Your eyes and hands can't keep up? Turn based JRPG is fucking boring. Picking weakness(colours) is "strategizing"? I'm lauging my fucking pants off, why don't you play an actual turn based strategy games liked XCom or Civ or hell even chess and then you'll know what good gameplay is. Comfy my fucking ass. No wonder weebs been flogging around this here parts. You and your waifufagging degenerates should fuck off to /a/ you jap cocksucker.
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>>376418920
>chess
>when go exists
What, are you 12 or something? lmao
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>>376378498
Money, anon.
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>>376418994
>unironically plays pokemon go
I want the newfags to leave
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>>376418994
>Glorified chinese tic tac toe
You sure showed me sonny boy.
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>>376378498
>900p
>Zero AA
>Still has framedrops
>Not "making use of PS4's full power".

That would imply there is power to spare, which there clearly isn't in this games case.
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>>376419290
Not that go my boy. The ones where you place a black/white pebbles on a 19x19 grid.
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