SMT on PS2

There have been many smt only threads the past few days where have you been. Start with digital devil saga 1-2 on ps2 then head into nocturne. Raidou has not so great combat mechanics but the atmosphere and stories save it

>>376369815
Nocturne is a classic and my favorite one. It features Fante from devil may cry

>>376369815
If you want to start, you should head to the 3ds for smt 4 and smt 4A, as they are easier for new players and if you want more go for Nocturne and Smt Strange Journey, after that you should be able to play the ps2 and ds/3ds games at your own place and enjoy

>>376369815
Play Nocturne if you want demon fusing.
DDS for more traditional style with SMT combat.

DDS duology: traditional JRPG with skills tree and fixed party member

Nocturne: standard SMT with demon recruitment and fusion. Great atmosphere and pretty at times

Raidou: clunky ARPG with god-tier atmosphere and crazy plot

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>>376369815
Raidou is a somewhat different game compared to Nocturne and DDS. I'd say play Devil Summoners in between or last, DDS first and then Nocturne. I started with Nocturne and somewhat regretted it considering I didn't play many JRPGs.

>>376369815
It's the dark souls of Persona

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>>376370206

Other SMT games are also part dating sim, but instead of a human or cat you're sweet talking the demons.

Persona is the smt for normalfags. All you need to know, just skip anything that has the additional persona title and you're safe. If altough you happen to have a urge to play persona play 1 and 2 (both parts). Anything beyond that is a idiocratic waste of time which will eventually leave with neither a satisfaction nor a feeling or accomplishment.

>>376371425

And here we observe the /v/ poster in his natural habitat. Note how he goes out of his way not only to hate a popular title --a way of life for these creatures-- but to insult anyone who enjoys them; a lashing-out due to deep-seated insecurities.

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Raidou games should be the last ones you play on the PS2, they're good, but have bad combat and are hard to get into. Not a good introduction to the series. I think the best introduction to the series is Strange Journey for the DS or Persona 3 FES. SJ is one of the more grounded entries, has a lot of what makes the newer entries good as well as what made the old ones good and is just an excellent game in its own right. P3 is probably my least favorite MegaTen, but it's still good, unique and you may not be be able to enjoy it if you play P4 or 5 first. The series is packed with great entries, and it's hard to go wrong in choosing a first.

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Do I get rid of an AoE for it?

>>376370557
Do those games follow a similar plot? Do they exist in a shared universe? Or SMT like the Tales or Final Fantasy series - a brand that's slapped on games that might share gameplay elements, but no narrative or lore?

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>>376372046
Its complicated

>>376372046
SMT is usually just cyberpunk meets dark fantasy
DDS follows this trend
Nocturne sorta does to, but less cyberpunk
Raidou is Edo era Japan detective with demons

>>376372046
you really have no idea how deep the shit gets

>>376371821
Impressive, i like how you refuted my statement about the games and not just spout simplistic pharses because thy happens to be one of the plebtarians i called out on liking the thrash that is know as Persona. Maybe you should play SMT so you have a perspective or reference as to why they are for the normalfag.
But i'm sure you will come up with a desperate reply, reason being that in fact you are the insecure individual who projects himself onto innocent posters to excuse his liking of games for trivial reasons.

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>>376369815
>where should I start on PS2 other than Persona?

I reccomend Nocturne, SMT4 and SMT4A as starting points. Don't listen to people who say SJ as an intro.

>>376372046
They are within the multiverse i.e mostly the latter. However, some of the titles are connected enough that you should play them in order:

>Megami Tensei 1-2
>SMT I-II
>SMT IV-SMT IV Apocalypse
>Raidou 1-2
>DDS 1-2
>Devil Survivor 1-2
>Persona 1-2 IS-2 EP

>>376372158

I knew the P4 arena games were canon, but so was dancing all night? What the fuck?

>>376372489
I still think the mere idea of Dancing All Night is fucking hilarious.

>>376372560
For me it's just as crazy as how the P5 Slinks lead to new mechanics

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>>376372158
Well, I'm a bit intrigued and intimidated now. That's pretty fucking hardcore shit that I could see myself getting lost in easily. Fuck. I think I'm fucked. I seriously thought it was just Personas 1-5 and some PS2 titles I could emulate.

So I have a sweet gaming PC. There aren't any SMT games native to PC, are there? If not, I'm limited to emulation, which luckily I got super autistic with recently and got up and running well. PS2, Gamecube, Wii, DS, & PSP work pretty great (and obviously, anything before those would be no issue). What are the must plays for those platforms? Furthermore, is there a specific order I should run through them?

Again, thank you.

>>376372792
>Well, I'm a bit intrigued and intimidated now. That's pretty fucking hardcore shit that I could see myself getting lost in easily

You barely have to worry about any of it.

>>376372792
Strictly speaking: SMT 1 goes to SMT 2 goes to Nocturne goes to Strange Journey Goes to SMT 4 goes to SMT 4 Apocalypse.

That's the absolute bare mainline.

>>376372792
>There aren't any SMT games native to PC, are there?
SMT1, SMT2, SMT If... and Persona 1 have obscure Japanese-only PC ports based on their PS1 releases.

Giten Megami Tensei is a PC exclusive from the 90s notorious for being more mature with a lot more nudity and gore than your average SMT and being one of the last games that the series original composer Masuko worked on, Japan-only as well.

Just start with Digital Devil Saga Duology for now, you can emulate it. It's self-contained.

A lot of the overarching stuff is just nods to the series fans/veterans to recognize shit.

>>376372792
Don't worry since there's mostly fan theories that connect Nocturne, the IV games and Strange Journey

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SMTV when?

>>376372940
That's not storywise, don't lie to him anon.

Storywise only SMT1->SMT2 and then SMT4-SMT4A are connected.

Nocturne and Strange Journey are both self-contained.

>>376373121
are we sure it's even gonna be SMTV? or maybe another spin-off

>>376373121
I hope it's SMTV, and not just a Remake of SMT. Unfortunately, too many things are pointing it towards being a remake.

>>376372792
The expanded universe shit is largely unimportant. Unless the game is a direct sequel to a previous game (the Digital Devil Saga duology, the Raidou games, both parts of Persona 2), the most you're going to get out of having played the others is maybe a reference here and there and an inkling towards what enemies are weak to what elements. And this doesn't even apply to all the games either, SMT 1-4 are all in the same series but the stories typically aren't related very deeply at all. Pretty much you can play whatever, that's why stuff like Nocturne is the typical jumping off point. Just realize that the further you stray from the modern games, the less convenient things will be.

>>376373220
>too many things are pointing it towards being a remake
like what?

>>376370557
Raidou has the best goddam setting in the series.

>>376373220
If anything from I to Nocturne get remade with that would be pretty great though

>>376373157
>Demonica's in SMT IV
>Somehow not related to SJ.
Uhh

>>376373051
>Don't worry since there's mostly fan theories that connect Nocturne, the IV games and Strange Journey
You're retarded. Apocalypse is a very, VERY explicit sequel to SMT4, there is no "fan theory".
Nocturne and SJ are both in their own universes, but the demons in both are the same ones, hence why Mara referring to what happened to her in Nocturne and YHVH seeking to rebuild himself.

>>376373220
>Unfortunately, too many things are pointing it towards being a remake.
I'd legitimately pay good money for modern remakes of SMT1, 2 and If...
In fact, having Team Maniax make SMT1/2 remakes for Switch and have P-Team make If... remake for PS4 would be the best scenario in my eyes.

>>376373314
Different Demonica, different backstory for it.

>>376372016
>Not going full STR

>>376373362
It's pretty obvious he knows Apocalypse is a sequel, which would be why he grouped them together as "the IV games", rather than saying "Nocturne, IV, Apocalypse, and Strange Journey".

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>>376373545
>Different Demonica.
Nani?

>>376373314
Considering SJ ends with it being called SMT 4, I always figured (Probably incorectly) that 4 takes place in the same universe after SJ. Everyone has demonicas in 4, the Gaean's worship Mem Aleph (although given their name, Mem Aleph might have just always been the true god of their cult), Mastema is a recurring character and less of a dick/more hated by his former comrades, and SJ's bonus boss is Demiurge implying YHVH will be reborn again soon.

>>376373653
The Demonicas in SJ and SMT4 have completely different backstories for it, with different organizations creating them and so on.

>>376373829
Why are you so buttflustered at the idea that these games are connected?

can someone give me tips for nocturne, are random encounters meant to be kinda aggrevating with the difficulty

>>376371309
Made me chuckle.

>>376373545
I thought they said in Final that the CDF got the technology for Demonicas internationally.

>>376373632
>going over 30
dumb STR poster

>>376373913
>Why are you so buttflustered at the idea that these games are connected?
Nigger I am the one who made the Map of Amala Network and the one listing connections.
Unlike you I have actually played all the fucking game including both SJ and SMT4, and unlike you I actually know there are no connections between SJ and 4 beyond Demonicas and Mem Aleph (WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BACKSTORIES) being cameos.
Are you also so retarded to think that the SMT4 Tokyo is the same one as SMT4 because Lilith has similar role and because there's remixed SMT1 music in it? You're a fucking moron, learn to tell the difference between actual story connection (such as Mara and YHVH fragments) and a tongue in cheek reference.

>>376373939
-Carry at least two demons with healing skills, one in your party, one in the stock.
-Ideally have at least one type of null for the current dungeon you're in.
-Ideally, have each element spread between your 3 party demons.
-Don't be afraid to use life stones outside of battle to preserve MP.

If you're playing on hard mode, my advice is to start over on normal. Hard mode unnecessarily makes everything like twice as expensive and makes demons hit much harder and have way higher HP.

>>376374098
>Are you also so retarded to think that the SMT4 Tokyo is the same one as SMT4
Yes?

>>376374170
As SMT1*
Typo from using numerical keyboard.

>>376374149
3x as expensive.
and I don't think demons have more hp.

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>>376374071
I'm still starting out in Nocturne, is there some kind of softcap? Or is the idea that you don't need any more than 30 because magatamas will do the rest?

>>376374296
Masakados, the last magatama, has innate null all except almighty and boosts every stat but luck by 10.

>>376373939
Fuse Daisoujou with a buff/debuff. Enjoy

>>376374447
Geez, okay. Are any magatamas optional/missable? Is that one some kind of special out of the way reward or secret? Don't tell me how to get it if so.

>>376374098
What's the different backstory? As I recall IV/Final Japan was in an arms race with other countries in terms of demon technology, which would fit with what happens in Strange Journey. I don't think they gave the demonicas any more explanation than that.

>>376374609
No. The game's side content is open until you enter the last dungeon

>>376374653
UHHH. NOOOO. REEE. DIFFERENT BACKSTORIES.

>>376374609
It's optional.
You have to buy/defeat optional bosses to get all of the magatama. Then Mido gives you a key to an end game optional dungeon where you go through a 4 boss gauntlet to get that magatama.

>>376374653
In SJ, Demonicas were designed by international comitttee specially for the mission in Schwarzwelt, in SMT4, they were just made by Murrika to fight demon invasion and then bought by Nippon. The ones in SMT4 are also a lot less advanced.

>>376372792
For the PS2:
Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2, the Raidou games

For the DS:
Strange Journey, Devil Survivor 1, Devil Survivor 2 (The last 2 have 3DS remakes, though I can't personally speak for their quality.)
PSP:
Persona 2: IS

I'd recommend the Digital Devil Saga games first, since they'll ease you into the series the best. The Raidou games are also probably only worth playing a while down the line, as-well.

>>376374902
Both Jack and Marine are from America. Jack clearly stated from the very beginning that there were people who had other interests within the Schwarzwelt other than exploration.

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My first non-Persona title was Raidou 2, still love it. If only there was a 3rd one, it felt like Atlus was so close to getting the gameplay just right.

>>376374609
hahahahahah
yes

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>>376374296
>>376374609 This. Also enjoy the arcade anon.

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>>376373121

Leave Persona to me.

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>>376375343
>>376375385
It can't be that bad.

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>>376375385
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IckRhKXfWxo

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>>376375528
>that jobber
>achieving anything

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>>376375606
FUCK Puzzle Boy

>>376375636

I hope Dagda is in the Switch SMT.

>>376375539
>>376375606
Uhhhh. Haha, good luck. I'll say it like this, I got stopped on Stage 8 of 20. Even with a video guide, I just absolutely did not want to do it at all.

>>376375385
>>376375539
>>376375606
>hardtype makes it so it's buyable
with all the stupid shit this mod pulls that is a great change

>>376375606
>This song
Never again.

>>376369815
Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga duology, and the two PS2 Devil Summoners are all better than the Personas.

>>376376097
And Soul Hackers, and Strange Journey, and SMT IV, and...

>>376376274
>IV
>better than anything

>>376372158

Im in this thread for the same reason as OP and I gotta said some of those cover arts are great

>>376376468
>People still this mad at IV.

>>376376632
I enjoyed IV but it's a broken mess.

>>376373939
- Fog Breath + Taunt = easy victories with the occansional wipe if you're stupid
- Focus the Demifiend towards magic with a minor leaning towards physical attacks. Deadly Fury and Freikugel in the late game are the only ones worth sacrificing your HP for and you should leave the bruising to a demon focused in that. Otherwise you'll find the MC in constant straights because of low HP.
- Always, always, ALWAYS buy the demons from the Shady Brokers in the Labyrinth. Though costly they have great stats and are generally the best at one specific thing or are perfect fusion material. The Picasa is GOAT keep him benched and never let him go to make dungeons a breeze.
- Never count on negotiations going how you want them and you may be surprised.
- Look up a guide for that fucking arcade magatama.

>>376376826
>Focus the Demifiend towards magic with a minor leaning towards physical attacks. Deadly Fury and Freikugel in the late game are the only ones worth sacrificing your HP for and you should leave the bruising to a demon focused in that. Otherwise you'll find the MC in constant straights because of low HP.

For this part you can do anything you want, Str or Ma alike, especially if you fuse Daisoujou as soon as you can to make up for HP

On the other hand, if you are going for True Demon Ending then Str is better because of Pierce (ignore all resistance/drain/null against Phys and Phys based Almighty) and TDE's final boss

>>376375728
>>hardtype makes it so it's buyable
>with all the stupid shit this mod pulls that is a great change
I've been meaning to try hardtype, what are the problems and stupid shit with it exactly?

>>376377131
>YHVH_Smite.jpg

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>>376369815
I played Devil Summoner 2 on a whim when it came out and I fucking loved it.

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Why is she so perfect?

>>376377714
That's a boy

>>376377714
>She

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>still no SMT: WRASSLIN ALL NIGHT

>that minigame in nocturne
No need to name it, fuck that

>>376378181
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FafZzD_nAQg

Art thou triggered?

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Gow do demons use gun skills?
Does Jack just pull out a spas-12?

>>376378109
I'd play it just to Freikugel someone.

>want to play the Raidou games because I hear the atmosphere is great
>don't want to bother swapping out the PS4 to hook the PS3 back up to play the digital copies I got years ago

>>376378931
I've always called gun skills as "pierce." I doubt that it's literally bullets.

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>>376372480
>DeSU2 Shit localization

Elaborate, please. I played it a few years ago and don't remember anything terribly egregious

>>376377242
It's meant to be a difficulty increase with new skills, magic balanced against phys better and stats balanced better. Some of the QoL stuff added is nice, like bench demons getting half exp, buffed mp pool across the board and shops are 2x as much instead of 3x, so you don't have to grind for Kailash. But the difficulty increase consists of super buffing enemy hp for encounters and bosses, which makes things really tedious after a while. And I mean random trash mobs taking a focused Freikugel at neutral buffs/debuffs when I say super buffed. Another game changer is the buffs board where your party can go to +2/-4 and enemies can go to +4/-2. It's intentionally balancing the game against the player which goes against the core design of vanilla. It's also really poorly balanced for this new buffs board as certain bosses can wipe you if they decide to cast megidolaon twice in their phase even in if the buffs board is +2 you, -2 them.

>>376369815
Sorry, everything went to absolute shit after SMT 1 + 2. There are no good PS2 SMT games, its just edgy pokemon.

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>>376378931
Well a good amount of demons like Urban Terror and pic related are shown holding guns in their art, so I wouldn't be surprised if demons with gun skills did just pull out a piece and fire a few shots mid round for an attack.

>>376379326
So basically typical artificial difficulty cancer by giving enemies massive HP and damage increase while shitting on the player. Dropped, QoL ain't worth that cancer.

>>376371309
Not in a million years

>>376371309
Kek

>>376371309
Breddy gud but you need to do this to the strawberry flavored one.

>>376379463
Terminator ain't a demon. It's a regular human.
The thing I miss the most from SMT1 and SMT2 is REGULAR FUCKING HUMANS being recruitable AND fusable with demons for crazy effects.

>SMT2
>First 1/5 of the game
>Stock up on Gaians and Messians for fusions
>Proceed to autistically keep checking the random fusion until I get Metatron
>Have Metatron legitimately at a mere 1/5 point of the game

The shit.

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>>376379470
I'd give it a shot anyways and just cheese it with save states. A lot of the new skills are fun. Dante's Son's Oath got buffed with Pierce and Pierce now includes magic. Magma Axis got a ridiculous buff too. Now with a passive damage booster 2 casts beats out Focus -> Freikugel in damage if no crit.

>>376379875
>I'd give it a shot anyways and just cheese it with save states.
Nah man, I hate increased HP bullshit because it's tedium. It doesn't make anything harder, just longer. Same reason why I'm not touching SotN HardType.

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What's with all the SMT threads on /v/ lately? Not that I'm complaining. I just started the SMT series with Nocturne. It's some good shit. I'm not very far though.
>tfw vidya fatigue

>>376375606
For some reason all the SNES versions of this song are blocked in burgerland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6czRCJg0w9M

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>>376378931
I really want demons to have gun animations in that HD game
>metatron has a giant silver revolver

>>376376097
Depends on what you're looking to get out of the game. The earlier SMT games generally have superior plots but are completely dated in all other aspects. Mostly because they weren't afraid to touch controversial subjects, especially in P2.

>>376380082
Persona 5 came out recently.

>>376369815
Nocturne has a god awful camera and slippery controls, it hasn't aged well at all and you shouldn't listen to anybody who tries to tell you otherwise. DDS is much better.
Haven't played Raidou because >ARPG but I've heard good things. Not about the gameplay, of course.
Other than that, the PS2 Persona games are pretty good but the dungeons are absolutely terrible.
If you want another SMT machine get a 3DS, it has something like 8 SMT games counting Deep Strange Journey.

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>Level 13-15 Party
>Full STR
>Couldn't find anything with Agility Debuffs/Buffs
>My only party heal, Inugami, is weak to Wind
This fucking guy.

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>>376380082
Persona 5 introduced a lot of people to the series. Looks like it did to you too.

>>376380329
It has the exact same camera and controls. DDS requires way more tedious menuing and grinding. Why they didn't let you save skillsets is beyond me.

>>376380329
The camera and walking controls are strange but barely impact the game at all, it's fucking hallways between fights.

>>376380315
>>376380517
Makes sense, but I figured your average Personafag wouldn't touch SMT because of the lack of waifus even though they take place in the same universe. I guess you could waifu some of the demons if you wanted to. I'm a poorfag so I couldn't play Persona 5.

>>376380329
>Nocturne has a god awful camera and slippery controls, it hasn't aged well at all

Yeah that's partially true, but you can just use the L and R buttons to turn while just holding up, other than that it's perfectly playable you fucking babby

>>376373220
Yeah, like all those flowers and the large focus on Odin, a major character from SMT1

>>376380569
>nocturne
>same camera and controls as dds
I played both today, stop lying like a nigger. DDS has a usable right stick while nocturne's is useless. The movement is still floaty but being able to actually use the camera made it manageable.

>>376380661
Odin's pretty minor in SMT I. You are thinking of Thorman

>>376380569
My only problem with DDS is the dumb story stuff. Used Argilla in DDS2 then bam, story shit now you can't use her fuck you.

>>376380737
>Odin's pretty minor in SMT I.
That's kinda my point. There's nothing pointing to the new SMT being a SMT1 remake. The only aspects that have had any focus are stuff that has little to do with SMT1

>>376380630
Mainly because P5 is the most SMT persona yet

>>376380886
Yeah I miss the part about the flowers. Sorry anon

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>>376372480
are we still pretending that either of the OVAs are good?

>implying it won't be #FE 2

>>376380931
Even more SMT than P1 and P2?

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>>376380953
>OVA
>bad

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>>376380953
What do you mean? They're fantastic.

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>your demonfu will never make it into a 3D game
What's her name, /v/?

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>>376380704
The stick turns the camera slower than R1/L1.

>>376380994
What are you talking about?
whatever it is i hope you're right, i want too see more of that universe

>>376378931
They just open their mouths or palm of their hands and have nondescript projectiles fire out of them, like how they make Poison Sting work in the Pokemon anime.

Or they summon a gun made of pure energy to fire it, like how Demifiend creates them to do weapon skills.

>>376381083
L1 and R1 turn it too fast which is a lot of the reason Nocturne sucks so much.

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Leave Persona to me.

>>376380953
I just watched this yesterday. It was stylish but what a hot fucking mess

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>>376375606
>tfw I do not know this feel because I breezed through it

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>>376381249
>a lot of the reason Nocturne sucks so much.
Don't forget this.

>>376381249
what the fuck

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>>376381425
>implying

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>>376369815
What emulator are you using for ps2?

>>376381448
Once again, I played it today, you probably played it years ago. I know what I said and I mean it.

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>>376381249
>L1 and R1 turn it too fast which is a lot of the reason Nocturne sucks so much.
Okay this is a first.

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>>376380661
>flowers
What? What did flowers have to do with SMT1? I don't remember anything about that.

>>376381027
It can't be, but it does much more SMT compared to P3 and P4

>>376381534
I started playing the game for the first time like last week amigo.

>>376381587
He's being sarcastic man.

>>376381497
PCSX2 is probably the best PS2 emulator. One thing to keep in mind that pops up a lot on the SMT PS2 games is they run really differently if you simply press F4 in window to swap between rendering modes or something. Usually cuts the FPS down to what it's supposed to be instead of 60, but you get shadows.

>>376381249
Nigga just tap instead hold

>>376380315
>>376380517
SMT threads have been pretty semi-regular even putting aside Persona 5.

>>376381621
Then you're full of shit or stronger than me, I can't deal with running all over the place while looking all over the place. SMTIV, #FE, and now P5 have spoiled me with fluid controls.

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>They don't hold O and use R1 and L1 to turn the camera

>>376381713
Well, there's also Deep Strange Journey coming soon, and a new SMT was hinted at for the Switch.

>>376380931
>P5 more SMT than P1, IS, EP

lolno

>>376370138
fpbp

Digital Devil Saga will give you the story you're used to in standard JRPG's, but with the SMT twists, demons, battle system, etc. Then go to Nocturne for the full experience such as fusion and collecting. Then hit-up Raiden once you understand the SMT mechanics.

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>>376381786
>using the camera
>not exclusively navigating via the map.

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>>376381790
It was more than just hinted at, it was confirmed. But yeah, I can't wait. It feels like we are entering a new golden age, especially with Altus finally bringing SMT into HD. Atlus reuses demon models a lot, so hopefully this means we get even more games using the new HD demon models.

>>376381984
There had better be more than just the ones from P5, I can't be rollin without my niggas and P5 only had like two of them

>>376381817
Persona start with 3

Also the 1 to EP's plot don't have you killing god, but some normal dude then Nyar jump in and say he's behind everything and then get btfo while saying he's underpowered and will come back

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Ok guys explain this to me: is SMT that kind of game when one build is viable and everything is trash because you will hit a roadblock so hard to the point you will drop the game in a blink?

Persona doesnt catch with me because I feel like Im playing two games a badly written VN and a very grindy jrpg.


I kinda want more of the whole "demons fucking everything" thing with no half hour of cutscenes

>>376382176
Nocturne is for you, then.

>>376382176
You have complete freedom to build the party, there's no forced party members like Persona. Even DDS has you being able to customized your party members' skill

>>376382176
It depends on the game, but usually that isn't a problem since demons can make up for it. The only thing you have to watch out for is when Fatlus screws up, like when Strength is a really shitty stat in IV. Keep in mind that Strength being bad doesn't mean physical builds are bad.

>>376382176
>I kinda want more of the whole "demons fucking everything" thing with no half hour of cutscenes
holy shit dude mainline was made for you

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>>376382067
They already revealed that the Odin that Doi redesigned will be in the game. This is a brand new model, so I'm sure they will make more than just the ones in P5.

Don't start Nocturne. It is one of the worse mainline series in my opinion. But since it's so different from the other mainline games it will blind you and you won't be able to appreciate the others. Just my opinion not even shitting on the game(that much ).

>>376382176
>a badly written VN and a very grindy jrpg.
You have it right. SMT is Pokemon's drunk cousin that demands that you catch them all THEN smash them together in the right order to make things not suck. It's almost autistic in all the combos required.

>>376382176
Depends on the game. Balanced builds are usually shit so either go world of strength/dex or magic. None of the Persona games are grindy if you know what you're doing, even on higher difficulties.

>>376373121
At this point it just feels really lazy that the demons hold the same pose and look in every incarnation

>>376382430
>implying
you can just throw shit together for a few minutes and come out with something good, you dont have to be autismal about it

>>376382394
Don't listen to this nerd, Nocturne's a fine game and very enjoyable no matter how many of the games you've played previously.

>>376381249
Are you playing it on an emulator? There was some severe ghosting when I first tried playing through when turning the camera and it almost made me nauseous, but you can fix that with the right settings.

>>376382176
>a very grindy jrpg.
What the fuck are you talking about? The game actively punishes you until the last stretch of the game if you try to grind.

>>376381254
Fuck off Larry

>>376382572
Nah I got it and a PS2 for cheap last year. The controls are just uncomfortable.

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>>376382176
SMT games are so great because of the freedom they offer. You allocate points to any stat you want when you level up, which can lead into STR builds, MAG builds, and sometimes even DEX builds depending on the game. Not only that, but you also have demons as your party members. This leads to a huge level of customization, where you can pretty much make your party into whatever you want. As long as you are smart in constructing your party, you can avoid grinding entirely. There are also not too may cutscenes in SMT games. The games mostly rely on atmosphere, so you are left to your own devices most of the time, so the game doesn't force tons of cutscenes down your throat.

>>376381254
what does the moonspeak say

>>376375606
this part was awesome, amazin tater/puzzle boy is the GOAT puzzle game.

BEST SONG IN THE FUCKING GAME COMMING THROUGH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlZu578NAvw

>>376382571
Ignore this guy and listen to the other one, Nocturne aged badly and should be played after several other games when you feel like you're ready to slog through it.

>>376382176
Here's some example of SMT's battle themes. Use that to imagine the atmosphere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tu0VrV7KzM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO6LWQhvzRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7PDKYOF3Nk

>>376382980
>Nocturne aged badly
By what standard? The gameplay holds up to what people would expect out of a JRPG, considering the game a "slog" just makes it sound like it was too hard for you.

>>376383051
>not posting the best and most atmospheric battle theme in the series
https://youtu.be/af9pTcq5uSo
nothing screams cyberpunk dystopia like this

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>>376382245
>>376382279
>>376382297
>>376382371
>>376382430
>>376382473
>>376382824
>>376382757

Alright, sound good. Im gonna jump on the first SMT then (I hope I dont fuck up myself) . I dont mind ultra obstuse controls or mechanics as long the whole package makes the deal

I hope to experience again the joy I got when I hated System Shock 2 and then I try the first game: blocky and hard but a more cohesive experience as long the game wont pull something stupid and obscure like it was made for Amiga

>>376383109
The controls are fucking awful, the menu is a hassle, and the fusion system is the worst in the series.

>>376373220
Name 3

>>376383282
If you're going to play the first SMT make sure you are using the version with Orden's patch. The original translation introduced a lot of bugs.

>>376383109
Not him but Nocturne is not "hard" compared to many other SMT games.

>>376383051
>tfw you're in a lower-level sector and you hit the auto-battle button and all you hear of the battle theme is DUN-DUun and then it cuts to the post-battle screen

>>376382176
>persona
>grindy
lol the only time in any persona game it was ever grindy is persona 1 ice queen route

>>376373121
>Cybele
>in a mainline
el oh el

Hope it's a Devil Summoner.

>>376373121
>all those persona 5 models

>>376382824
Man, street clothes Hero's still one of the better protagonist designs in the series.

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>>376381869
Moirae sisters are cute.

>>376384139
If it's an ARPG like Raidou I'm killing somebody.

>>376382980
Not sure what you mean. Playing through nocturne right now as my first SMT after the persona series and I'm enjoying for the most part besides the Kalpa navigating and shit camera.

>>376385321
then you were prepared.

>>376384591
Oh. Oh gosh. Oh my.

>>376384812
If it has Raidou's battle system I'm entirely okay with that. Recently played Vs. King Abaddon and it was great.

>>376380630
That's just shitpostering.
It's a sibling rivalry when you really look at it

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SMT I and Persona 5 are the best games in the series.

>>376386341
>older, better sibling has to fight for the spotlight because the younger sibling has more mass appeal
wow it really fits

>>376380630
>I figured your average Personafag wouldn't touch SMT because of the lack of waifus
Imagine being so mad at a related series becoming more successful (to the point where it creates assets for the series you actually like) that you actually, genuinely believe the only reason people pick up Persona games is waifushit and that there can't be any crossover in audience.

>>376386592
I ain't upset in the slightest. I like Persona a fair bit actually. I just know how some people can be.

>>376385647
Nocturne was my first SMT and I thought it was fine.

Between the PS2 titles, which order is the best?

I'm downloading Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2 now, but i'm not sure.

>>376387292
Same the bad skill descriptions added to the experience

>>376387545
I think DDS is a good introduction because like someone said earlier, it's closer to a conventional RPG with how the party members work along with skill trees.
Advice, if you're gonna take someone though an elemental magic tree, make sure it's the one they're weak too, they'll learn a resistance to it later.

>>376387545

Well the Raidos and DDS games have a very clear order to them so it really just boils down to what you want to play first

>>376370138
>Start with games that are barely like most other megaten games

Start with Strange Journey or Nocturne. Then spread out.

>tfw raidou 3 is never ever status

why did atlus have to go to shit after the ps2 generation. it's been almost 10 years since p4 and we've only received 2 console rpgs from them.

>>376388734
I'm sick and fucking tired of fags like you asking for Raidou 3. The nigga is cool but he had 2 games. Give someone new a try at Devil Summoner.

>>376388956
it'd be cool if we just got both

>>376388330
Do you want them to hate the series? IV is the best starting point, DDS if you're only playing PS2.

>>376372940
SMT2 to Raidou to If... and Persona is pretty blatant continuity too

>>376369815
what the fuck is going on with that boxart

literally everyone there looks a million times better in-game

>>376374609
None of the magatamas are missable as far as I'm aware
Have fun with Puzzle Boy faggot

>>376372480
>Battles require buffing strats similar to Nocturne
No, that image is wrong about SJ.
I'm in Sector F, and have done barely any buffing at all. Buffing felt REQUIRED in Nocturne, but the rare time ive ever actually needed to use a single buff like rakukaja was during the 2nd phase of ouroboros. Dont get me started on enemy encounters, theyre piss easy. Am I somehow too early in the game still to have this opinion or...?

Hits the nail on the head for the rest of it's description though.

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>>376389158
IV will make them hate the series too.

I beat DDS1 on ps2 and still have my save. I spent a lot of time on the game and don't want to replay it right now. Is there any way for me to transfer that save from the ps2 memory card and import it on the ps3 version of dds2?

>>376389425
You don't have to buff in SJ, but it makes the later half much easier. You'll want to buff for postgame stuff though if you bother doing them

>>376372480
I appreciate you posted this

>>376389620
Do enemy encounters stop being such pushovers? I feel like I'm playing DDS (Not that that's exactly a bad thing, I just wish the majority of the game's difficulty was actually consistent)

>>376389513
IV was my first game and I beat Minotaur first try. Besides, the more you have to look at that kickass design the cooler it gets.

>>376389738
Things start getting pretty bullshit once random encounters start using Bite the Dust

>>376389738
Well there's a section with Rangdhas and shit as regular enemies, and thats never fun. But if you have the means to spam and not drain yourself, no. SJ was scaled back a bit since you can only have 6 skills per demon instead of 8.

>>376389850
>>376389880
Ouroboros fight made me so pissed there wasn't any true ailment countering in SJ. My whole team countered his moveset fine but I kept getting shit for luck with the ailment spam, even so much as to receive Disaster Cycle 4 turns in a row. If there's any more rng bullshit bosses I wanna know.

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*blocks your path*

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>>376390063
*Charms you every turn*

>>376390082
*confuses u*

>>376390156
Are you implying you can fight Zelenin on my law path

>>376390305
Sounds to me like you're a fagboy

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>>376390063
*wipes your party*

>>376390369
Jimenez, stop trying to pick an argument every time someone disagrees with your opinion, and stop summoning demons inside the ship

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>there are people on this website, people who may even know who sided with Ronaldo

>>376380630
>I'm a poorfag so I couldn't play Persona 5
Get a ~$200 modded PS3

>>376391715
I dont think you understand what a poorfag is, anon

>>376376520
Most of them are Kaneko's work, the guy behind the design of every fucking demon in the series, pretty much.

>>376392680
Not true, Soejima does Persona now and mainline is probably going to be Doi from now on.

>>376379256
the guide creator may be complaining about the more autistic dialogue options for bunny.

>>376392774
soejima mostly designs personas, not really demons. 99% of the compendiums are still Kaneko's territory

>>376393509
the personas are still demons, senpai
i hope necronomicon and captain kidd make it into main series somehow

Any reason not to play these games in release order?

>>376394064
Persona DLC for SMTHD

>>376394135
Define "these", because there's the spinoffs, mainline, persona, devil summoner, etc.

If you mean all of them for some reason, you might wanna skip something like SMT 1. All the games are also not chronologically connected and have their own plotlines, except for a few exceptions being Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2, for examples sake.

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>>376394064
Arsene was the best.

>getting redpilled turns you into a demon
What did atlus mean by this?

Didn't read the thread. The only SMT games I've played is Persona 3 and original on SNES but I want to branch out. Should I play Nocturne or Digital Devil Saga?

>>376395043
DDS

>>376395043
Both are good, Digital is much more story driven, and easier than Nocturne, but in Nocturne the core gameplay is really fleshed out, albiet with less story.

Both are fantastic games but personally I started with Nocturne, and I dont regret it.

>>376394227
id buy it if it also came with thanatos and tomoe

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Post yer best fan art

Do you actually do any sleuthing in Raidou or is the detective element basically non-existent like Persona?

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>>376398064
You kinda do since that's what the side quests are for.
>>376397737

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>>376398064
You do some detective work. You summon demons in the real world to do things like read minds or shapeshift into people to get them to let you in places.

It's more mystery solving than P4 for sure, though over half is resolving requests to deal with demons since being a detective is really just your cover as a demon summoner.

>>376398191
You look familiar

>>376398237
Nonsense son of man.

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>>376398458

>>376398191
>>376398213
Interesting, thanks.

>>376398064
Yes you do.
You also do menial shit like looking for shogi pieces and taking pictures of celebrities.
And there's always at least one demon fight sidequest since you're basically a Japanese Ghostbuster

>>376369815
>raidou will never travel to the future to apprehend the phantom thieves

>>376399252
>Devil Summoner 3: Raidou Kuzunoha vs The Phantom Thieves of Heart

This can work

>>376399337
Except when you realized that Raidou and Yusuke shared the same VA in both sub and dub.

>>376400167
And?

>>376400167
>YUSUKE WAS RAIDOU ALL ALONG
all we need now is for Ann to reveal she was working for Dagda too.

>>376400205
Well I find that redundant ? Maybe a VA joke can happen ?

>>376400249
It explains why he has Kaneko eyes at least.

>>376400337
Let's not forget the fact that Yusuke's jap VA, Sugita, also draws dicks as autographs and is a prankster in general.
Yusuke's codename is Fox/Inari. Raidou's last name is Kuzunoha, named after the famous kitsune.

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>Kind of want to play Nocturne again
>Remember randomized skill inheritance and literal hours spent fusing
>Remember finally getting the perfect skill set and backing out due to muscle memory
>Don't play Nocturne

Why did they think that was a good idea.

>>376401019
It "balances" fusion skillsets with rng :^)
I hate that strange journey follows the same method it drives me crazy

>>376375184
The jump in quality in combat between Raidou 1 and 2 was astounding. I'd be excited as fuck at what Atlus could come up with for the third one.

How well do the Raidou games emulate on PCSX2? Always wanted to try them.

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>>376371309

>>376372489
"Canon", that whole list is a joke.
Like you can build arguments for it, but it doesn't fucking matter at all.

Direct sequels are one thing, but generally games are just games and they work, operate and act independently from each other.

Planning on starting persona 2 after finishing strange journey, is it worth? Ive played very little of P3.

>>376401790
They work almost flawlessly.

>>376372158
if... translation when?

>>376402250
Innocent sin is a decent game overall imo.
Great story and characters and the combat system with the fusion spells is neat, however the encounter rate is kinda fucked if you take into account how slowly combat actually works.
Also the game is extremely easy. I've heard that eternal punishment improved greatly on those aspects but I've yet to play that one.

>beat Raidou 1
>get to the very end of Radiou 2
>final boss is too hard for me
>enemies in the area give way to little exp
what do?

>>376402442
He's looking for testers now™, but wants to be extremely stingy about it to drag it the fuck out apparently.

>>376402702
Git Good?

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Should I bother with Strange Journey since it seems like there's a remake on the way? I'm on the fence because I still have SMT4, SMT4A, and P5 on the backlog.

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>>376393426
fucking what? They were the best part of DeSu2!

>>376402828
https://twitter.com/GideonZhi/status/857634240669798400
https://twitter.com/GideonZhi/status/857634349549666304
https://twitter.com/GideonZhi/status/858001085323132928

Why does this sound contradictory

>>376377714
which series is she(?) from?

>>376389158
>IV is the best starting point

I didn't think the IV babby meme had any credibility, and yet here we are.

>>376403140
there's warning signs with the remake with it putting in a new character, but wait if you wanna and play p5

>>376403839
IV is the most accurate portrayal of SMT thematically that's not SMT1 or 2.
It's a great starting point despite the questionable gameplay changes.

>>376403839
Assuming that one wants to play IV before IV:A, then yes.
IV has it's fair share of problems, but same goes for all SMT games, and among them 4 is most approachable at this God's year 2017.

>>376403759
SMT4A
Play 4 first

>>376403140
Im a fair way through the game, I really like the characters and the story events, some of the gameplay is good too. My biggest complaint is that some of the maps are complete cancer, and are just pains in the ass to explore, and just exist to pad the zone out, this is especially the case after 4th zone and onward.

In other words, if you like sadistic map design, jump right in.

>>376377714
I WANNA ____ THAT GODSLAYER

How do I make good demons in Nocturne? Just got to Dante and he's beating my shit in.

>>376371309
Lmao gtfo with this shit

>>376371425
Is 1 even that great?

Heard nothing about aged well outside about it's PSP raping of the OST and the hilarious old localization.

>>376402702
Learn how to dodge/block/get your demons out of the way of attacks.

>>376380516
He isn't hard, he just forces you to grind
I'm not saying that's good, but it isn't hard either

>>376405102
Fuse what you need duh get based Monomufo too since he's resistant to most of Dante's attacks

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When's Daddy Dagda getting his /v/ banner? Literally /ourguy/

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>>376405984
>Dagda
>/ourguy/
Mastema is /ourguy/.

>>376405786
Yeah figured that already.

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>Dagda will never be the wind that flows through your hair
Why even bother continuing this existence

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Damn the game started off slow but the bosses are real treat.
>Get to this guy the first time
>Half my team is weak to fire
>Half my team is weak to force
>Obviously get trashed by the time he has 4 moves and is able to attack me 8 times
>Instead of grinding just think about how I can win with this set up
>Start battle by spamming speed buffs on my party and speed debuffs on him
>He starts to miss half his attacks so even when he hits weakness he losses a turn
>He has a skill that takes away stat buffs but it actually fucking misses because speed is op
>When ever he casts dejaka it's just a turn wasted for him
>Absolutely rip him apart despite my whole team being weak to his 2 main attacks

Felt fucking righteous to win like that instead of having to assemble a new team or change magatama out from Gaea

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>>376406876
Fuck meant to attack a pic of hell biker

>>376401019
>Remember finally getting the perfect skill set and backing out due to muscle memory
RRRRRRRREEEEEEE This shit could straight up make me turn off the game. I lost a lot of good skills because I lacked the patience

>>376405102
Literally just focus and then attack. If you really want babby mode get media he even buffs your attack for you.

>>376401019
>Remember finally getting the perfect skill set and backing out due to muscle memory
That's not even bad, the worst is getting a really good skill combination during the first few attempts and going "eh, I bet I can do better", backing out and then getting nothing but worse combos for the next few hours

>>376382152
>Persona start with 3

That's some shit taste. You're also a retard if you think killing god or not killing god is all that determines if a game has a SMT feel.

>>376402347
Shit, downloading Raidou 1 now. Any tips?

>>376402702
That final boss was awful. Shame that that's probably the last we'll see of Raidou.

>>376394064
Unique Personas never become demons.

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>>376408987
For your demons, Magic is far better than Strength. Also, the combat is kind of shitty, but try and push through it because everything else is really good.

>>376408987
Feel free to spam the button that teleports your demon to your side while running around to dodge attacks. Other than that the game is pretty easy and simple.

>>376409363
I wouldn't even call the combat shitty.
Loaded up my old save to see what kind of end game team I had and just to test the game out again and it felt really good to get back into it.

Of course I'm also the kind of person who'd say that Raidou 1 has better combat than Raidou 2.

>>376406424
CHRIIIIS

>>376409365
I don't remember needing to look too much after my demons in Raidou 1, but Raidou 2 there are lots of fights that you just have to play holding L2 down the whole time unless you want your demons to be forever charmed and healing enemy faster than you can hurt it.

>>376409752
Well yeah you don't need to do it, the game's pretty easy. It helps occasionally tho.

>>376409620
It's serviceable, but it's not fun, and that would make it shitty, as far as I'm concerned. I would never replay Raidou just for the combat, and if I did want to replay it, the one thing that would make me hesitate would be the combat.

>>376410407
Opposite for me. Testing out the game again made me want to replay it. Encountering a area where the emulator started choking made me reconsider.
And the fact that I have other games to play.

It's hard to describe what I like about the combat in Raidou, but there is something very satsifying being able to walk around enemies attacks, get few hits in, block just in time to avoid retaliation, use a right mix of combo slashes, stabs and circle strikes in right situation.

Raidou 1 combat is slow, but it also feels like the enemies and encounters are designed properly for it.
Raidou 2 is obviously a lot faster and gives dodge roll, but then Atlus got lazy with enemy and encounter design and just filled the game with annoying aoe spam of status ailments.

>>376388956
shut the fuck up
nobody ever talks about raidou
its always nocturne or persona here

>>376412080
What about strange journey

>>376413931
SJ tends to be a subtopic whenever someone posts a Nocturne image or a SMT image
I'd say its just a bit more popular than Raidou and Soul Hackers etc.but not as popular as Nocturne
4 also sees almost no threads aside from 4F:A

>>376388956
The problem is that the two other Devil Summoner games are just SMT games. They really don't do enough to differentiate themselves.
Raidou is unique, something different, something good.

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>>376386476
It really does.

Of all the SMT games I've played thus far, and I know I'm kind of a baby newfag to the series, but my list goes like this.

Strange Journey > Soul Hackers => Nocturne > IV (Story/characters) > IV:A (Story/characters). Not counting story and characters, I prefer IV:A over IV for obvious QoL changes.

Should I jump into DDS next or Raidou?

Just finished Apocalypse. The fact that actual fucking gods use the term "power of friendship" is both hilarious and suicide-inducing. Wish I had gone through the murder route instead.
Anyways, glad they fixed pretty much everything that was wrong with 4.

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>>376415838
DDS is the most like a traditional JRPG series and Raidou is a clunky ARPG with great atmosphere and a fun story. I prefer Raidou, but you'll probably have an easier time getting into DDS.

>>376416041
>He actually went bonds route.
What the fuck? Tossing all cringe inducing dialogue aside, how could anybody even argue against Dagda's philosophy? If souls are a proven thing in said world, and people don't die as long as their souls are around, what does it matter if your friends need to lose their physical forms for like an hour, only to be able to become a god right after? Dagda gave humans what they finally needed to stop being puppets; and that was to turn literally EVERYBODY into a fucking god.

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>>376377714
Given his design I'm surprised he pulled off being a trap better than Flynn. Wigs are truly dark magic.

>>376371918
I kinda want this shirt

>>376409167
NECRONOMICON IS COOL, LET ME DREAM

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>we could have a Strange Journey 2 but instead we are stuck with Strange Journey Remix Worst Art Edition featuring Yukiko from the Shin Megami Tensei: Persona series

>>376417386
I wish they woudl at least remake 1 and 2 instead.I would prefer something brand new, but if they insist on remakes, they could at least remake something that stands to gain from it.

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Hypothetically, if I want to play Raidou 2 but only have a European PS2 and my PC is too shit for emulation, what's the best way to go about it? If the answer is modding my PS2 to play NTSC discs then how do I go about it?

>>376414958
Will there ever be another game anywhere near as stylish as P5?

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>>376419425
Yes. SMT V on Nintendo Switch.

>>376372481
is devil summoner 1 translated yet?

>>376391715
Or buy a $80 ps3 and persona 5 for $40

>>376419387
You buy a PS3 or upgrade your PC.

>>376419519
It won't be stylish it will be A E S T H E T I C