Will he be broken in P6 aswell?

>>376369663
any persona is broken if you min max and choose optimal abilities. At that point why even bother playing the game since it becomes a cakewalk

>>376370015
The problem with yoshitsune is not that he's broken when you min/max him, the problem is that hassou tobi destroys everything on it's own.

>>376369663
>lunge

>>376370837
What's wrong with lunge?

>>376370246
I believe when they do the inevitable remastered version this skill will get nerfed and finally we will get an extra dungeon

>>376371676
But yoshitsune was broken in P4G and he's still broken in P5.

>>376369663

>Give all endgame bosses starting from Akechi resist/null/repel phys

Problem solved. Now you're gonna have to rely on overlooked Personae like Cybele, Lucifer, Mot, other magic based ones and dedicated support ones as well.

>>376372076
Get something like shiki ouji, it's 25 or something like that. Yoshitsune is probably the highest DPS persona and you can only get it on the last day of the game.

>>376372076

Max strength arcana so you can fuse persona of higher level for a fee. Get Siegfried and you're well on your way until endgame

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>lunge

>>376369663
Where the fuck is hassou tobi you dumb motherfucker!

>>376371981
Except that makes ryuuji and yosuke fucking useless

>lunge
Triggered

>>376369663
>Lunge
keked

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>>376369663
>no hassou tobi
>fucking lunge
>all that minmaxing autism and nothing to show for it

>>376372336

You can make ryuji into that meme zio/shock build. Of course im saying this with the assumption that there will be a rebalance with the roster.

>>376372345
>>376372404
>>376372223
What is this meme I haven't started playing this game yet should I avoid lunge or something

>>376372336
Haru too since gun > psy.

>>376371676
he won't be. atlus doesn't nerf things, you silly fucker

>>376372470
Lunge is basically a level 1-10 ability while yoshitsune has the strongest physical ability in the game and the guy in the OP replaced it with lunge.

>>376372519

Chie was made irrelevant in Golden since Kanji was given charge. It was the other way around in the original though.

>>376372470
lunge is a basic low level physical attack skill, he replaced the overpowered as fuck Hassou tobi with it.

>>376371651
>lunge
>not Hassou Tobi

are you literally retarded?

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>>376369663
That persona like it's arcana is a disaster

>>376372336
>ryuji has great single target phys attacks, charge, and can attack buff whole party
I get why yosuke is bad, but ryugi?

>>376372653

Exactly, if you make endgame bosses have resist/null/repel phys, all those physical buffs are for nothing. Unless Ryuuji or Yusuke have some sort of magic based subbuild or useful buff debuffs,then they're useless

>>376372815
Madarame and the perfume bottle had parts that repelled physical.

>>376372815
I mean they both have a magic type and buffs but if all the bosses did get res/null/repel/ phys the only party you'd run endgame is haru ann and makoto/morgana since they have actual magic stats. What that guy suggested is just stupid

>>376372569
>>376372653
I have a question about charge: why is it somehow better than just attacking twice? My understanding is that it doubles the attack power, but since charge takes a turn as well, why is such a huge deal? Is it more than double damage?

>>376371981
All this would do is make people buy Kaguya.

>>376373134
The skill description literally says more than double, yes.

>>376373134
times 2.5

>>376373134
IIRC its 2.5x the damage.

>>376369663
OP please tell me this isn't you. You don't even have Zenith Defense and you fucking replaced Hassou Tobi with Lunge.

>>376373134

Its more than twice, also that would virtually make the hp cost less, instead of losing 100++ hp for 2x hassou tobi, youre only using 54 hp for the damage and more

>>376373134
It's a x2.5 boost. It's also better for for preserving your HP too.

>>376373248
>>376373319
Okay, thanks.

I havent gotten it in P5 yet, I'm going off what i remember it said in P4.

>>376373134
It deals 2.5x damage so it's more than just doing the same thing twice. Also by taking a turn to charge you can buff up the charged people further to nuke the enemies.

As for phys being OP, It's no different to freikrugel and gaea rage/oni-kagura being hideously OP in nocturne.

>>376373219

As if Marie didn't need any more forcing in

>>376369663
lunge, wtf nigga!?

>>376373382
There's no zenith defense in P5.

>>376369663
how do want your stats senpai?

>>376373507
There is actually. It's a very rare drop you get from network fusion along with magic ability.

How do you even get good persona? Mine have always been shit. Even in SMT games I have shit demons.

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>>376373420
Except Nocturne has bosses like this

>>376373762
https://chinhodado.github.io/persona5_calculator/index.html#/skill

>>376373394
>it said in P4.
Yeah that was odd. I remember thinking it was useless because it said double. Turns out that even then it was actually more than double.

I just considered him a novelty I win button, like Alice with Die For Me.

It's pretty great when hassou tobi does 1k damage per hit once you debuff the enemies and charge/attack boost yourself.

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The next MC in the next Persona game will be brown, screencap this

>>376373862
A whale rhino?

Why do people waste skill slots on drain element when angelic grace/firm stance is better?

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>>376369663
I don't care.

Bring your strongest demon.

I'll still kill it and all your stupid persona friends and shit

>>376374169
>Double evasion rate against all attacks except Bless/Curse/Almighty.
>better than drain

No?

>>376374160
Clearly a hippo

>>376374174
*Null Sleep and dodge your Gaea Rage*

REND

>>376369663
Was there something I missed in the game to raise a persona's stats to 99? How the fuck does it get that high?

>>376374169
0 x 2 is still 0. max out someone in your team's social link and see how rare it is that they dodge their weakness even though they have an evasion skill for their weakness. it's honestly pathetic

>>376374252
it takes up one slot instead of five, which you can use for other things

>>376374174
I can't hear anything you're saying because I'm asleep.

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>>376374389
You can preview a personas stat growth when strengthening it.

>>376374408
Other things that you don't need. Having Magarudyne and Maragydyne and Mabufudyne all on one motherfucker is just a waste, you can have a million different personas on you at once.

>>376374408
yoshitsune only needs 1 slot for hassou tobi. (2 if you want charge). leave buffs and magic to other personas
>>376374389
strengthen persona rather than leveling it up

>>376374408
And what are you going to fill those other slots with? Yoshitsune is already the persona with the highest damage, without anything. You could put buffs there but your yoshitsune would be vulnerable instead, especially since you just have shitty evasion. Angelic grace itself is a fucking waste of a slot.

>>376373134
>play different game
>it has charge
>pick it up because charge is almost always amazing
>it's only x1.82 damage
all my faces when

>>376372076
start grinding faggot

What if they just get rid of Yoshitsune and Hassou Tobi for Persona 6?

>>376374675
Like how they nerf Daisoujou's Meditation after Nocturne?

>>376374675
But then how are you supposed to BTFO any descendants of the Taira?

>>376374667
But then what is the purpose of it?

>>376374150
>delicious okinawan girl
I'm okay with this

>>376374947
Damage calculation being negation instead of division?

>>376374675
They should make some new Personas instead of the same ones we've had since Persona 3.

>>376374675
or they finally make elemental abilites worth a shit in persona or SMT (SMT4 Final did a decent job of this)

with the way SP works in these games it just doesn't fucking work, no one can spam magic and still have mana for long, so every fucking time you just load up you 3 other melee buddies and buff them and whack away.

>>376375098
Last time they did that we got Yoshitsune.

>>376374675
I won't mind
It's kind of dumb that some jap general is on par with the prince of hell and the norse gods

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>>376375098
They can just bring in Strange Journey and IV's new demons

>>376374947
for bosses that are only vulnerable to phys on certain turns, I guess, or who otherwise love to cast tetrakarn

>>376375121
You had nigh infinite SP in P5 because of the doctor.
>>376375202
Don't forget he's also better than various Japanese gods too.

>>376375098
how many new ones did P5 add? 10?
I saw a couple but the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Bugs

>>376375428
There's a few recolors. Also the Bakasura-looking one. Started with a B or a P.

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>>376374675
What if they just add a gun version of Hassou Tobi for Persona 6?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGZC60PCaiM

>>376375243
>>376375428
also there's plenty of old SMT demons they could bring back

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>>376375916
Weak

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>>376375361
>Don't forget he's also better than various Japanese gods too.
On the other hand though he's probably the most famous Japanese figure period, and the amount of wank he got in Muromachi period fiction about him is crazy.

Granted, Hassou Tobi as it is makes absolutely zero sense considering the actual feat was just jumping really far from one boat to another.

>>376375997
Cthulhu Persona when?

>>376374675
Are we seriously getting P6 already? or are they milking P5 already? Fucking hell I just got the platinum for the game.

>>376376148
Milking P5 obviously.

>having the word shit in your name
do you think people made fun of him in school

>>376376148

No, Persona 6 won't be around until a couple of years from now.

>>376376049
Lovecraftian monsters doesn't make sense as Personas though. Nyarlathotep is still the Persona series's main villain since Philemon's confirmed to watch everything in the series and not just the first 2

>>376376148
I think P3 and P4 were relatively close to each other, like 2 years or something. If they do a persona 6 in the same engine as P5 it could be out in a year or two.

>>376374275
Looks like a fucking loser to me.

>>376376048
> the amount of wank he got in Muromachi period fiction about him is crazy.

The dumbest is the rumour that he faked his death and went overseas to become genghis khan

>>376376293

Yeah it's been nearly a decade since P4 was released originally

>>376376254
Probably not.
As a boy a man splashed him with mud riding past him on his horse, so Yoshitsune just fucking beheaded the guy's horse right then and there.

>>376376275
we've had Kaiwan for ages and he's an aspect of Hastur.

Its not like many things in the mythos actually do his bidding

>>376374675
You'll still have the problem of Charge + any multi-hit phys attack. Shit's broken

>>376376049
Closest you're getting is Mara.

>>376376148
P5 started development before P4 was even finished
its the same this time around

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>>376369663
>level 99
>Lunge
>Apt Pupil

lol what

>>376375916
>not posting Fuller Auto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtJh_B4jDrY

>>376376590
Hastur is usable in EP as well, but acquiring him is weird

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>>376369663
>Charged lunge

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>>376376834
yeah you gotta tell this fortune teller the month of your birth is HASTURCOMEFORTH if I remember right

I vaguely recall Old One and Byahkee also being obtainable, but the western release fucked up the translation of the latter's name

Why does Atlus love sucking Yoshitsune's dick so much?

>>376374667
What game?

Why did they get rid of helel? I liked having Lucifer and helel on my roster, if nothing else then for the novelty of it

>Loki gets a new design
>Thor and Odin don't
What the fucking fuck

>>376376971
>tfw Cthulhu will never get redesigned to fit the aesthetic of the rest of the lovecraftians in the Persona series.

I wonder what other Lovecraft beings will appear in the series.

>>376376262
Probably another 10

>>376369663
>lunge
yo wtf OP

>>376377292
Persona 6 is likely to use P5's engine though

I haven't finished the game yet but judging by the compendium why are the strongest personas only around level 60? Did they want to reduce grinding or something? I feel that way since I've beaten futabas palace and I'm still only level 35 despite it being the fourth palace

>>376377369
*lunges for your ass*

>>376377279
>game about tricksters
>the biggest name in the business gets a redesign
>deities that aren't tricksters don't
???

>>376377192
Too many 6 winged angels with Lucifer and Satanael.

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>>376377280
I just want Nyarla to come back first since Philemon's now acknowledged by modern Persona

>>376377450
pretty much all the personas in the 70-90 range you need to have maxxed out corresponding social links before they become available

>>376377279
Odin has a new design

>>376377192
I guess because Lucifer and helel are the same being and I think they weren't separate in old smt. Helel was never that useful though cause morning stat honestly sucked unfortunately.

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>>376377279
>Odin didn't

As for Thor, he's kind of a common face now, dropping nukes and all

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>>376369663
>still taking damage from non Almighty and gun sources

>>376377279
Because Loki was a character's persona and not just a generic one. A better question would be why Odin's Soul Hacker's design remains unused whereas Surt and Loki (before P5) were already using their SH designs.

>>376377549
Makes sense thanks.

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>Jack
I remember that name

Why the frick would you replace Lunge with Hassou Tobi?

>>376377618
>49 MA yoshitsune

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I HAFF BEEG QUESTION.
I AM THINKENG OF GETTING RID OF INVIGORATE 3 FOR VICTORY CRY.
NOW I HAFF ALSO ACKUIRED MAGIC ABILITY.
MAGIC ABILITY BUFF ALL SPELLS BY 25%
V. GUD
WHAT SKILL DO I REMUFF FOR MAGICK ABEELEETY?

>>376377590
That design is ten times better than the current one

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>Hassou Tobi
>Charge
>Debilitate
>Victory Cry
>Apt Pupil
>Auto-Mataru
>Auto-Maraku
>Auto-Masuku

>>376377710
replace Megidolaon with Lunge
replace black viper with agi

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WHO CHI-YOU HERE?

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>>376369663
>a Yoshitsune without Hassou Tobi

>>376377812
That nigga looks so fucking fly.

>>376377652
>weak to gun
lol

>>376377652
>no concentrate
>shoots you with a pellet gun
Paging huh
Nothing personnel, kid.

>>376377719
For P5 they don't have time to make a new model for him since that design's debut is SMT Apocalypse (2016)

>>376377892
>Caring about weaknesses.
>Not just putting on omnipotent orb while all personas have victory cry.

>>376377454
>drains all of your physical attack
yum

>Lunge

>>376377520
Nyarlathotoep had a nyarly design in Devil Survivor.

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>>376377932
>Giving up +5 to all stats for immunity
>When you take no damage at that point anyway

I'll take the +5 ST/MA for damage and the +5 AG so Makoto stops fucking taking her turn before me

What's with all the hate for lunge? I don't get it.

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>>376378307
>I'll take the +5 ST/MA for damage and the +5 AG so Makoto stops fucking taking her turn before me
That's your fault for giving Makoto her Michael gun.

>>376378394
>get yoshitsune for Hassou tobi
>replaces the skill with lunge
>a low level phys skill that only hits 1

What's the fuckin point? Are you mentally challenged OP?

>>376378394
I don't think I've ever had a Lunge actually connect with an enemy.

>>376377892
Just like her husbando

Can't you just get HT back by going to church?

>>376378491
Me neither, even in Nocturne.

>>376378484
I'm not OP. I just got makoto in my party.

Lunge
Deal weak Phys damage to 1 foe.

Hassou Tobi
Deal 8 times weak Phys damage to all foes.

>>376378491
Then you haven't played SMT Nocturne considering that's one of your starter skills.

>>376378535
No, that only works for party members. You could remake the yoshitsune.

>>376378453
Why does she get the +10 to all stats gun and we only get the +5 to all stats gun?
Hers is even red which matches Joker's gloves.

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>lunge

>>376378645
Because she doesn't get Yoshitsune

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>>376378645
Because fuck you.

>>376378590
Lunge's mostly a boss killer for early game. It misses like hell which take your turn away unless you have evasion (de)buffs, which are fucking expensive early on.

>lunge

wow

The only way they can save MAG from being destroyed by Phys is by giving them their own hassou Tobi likes, see: kaguya

How long has Yoshitsune been in SMT/Persona games?

So I'm working on a Kaguya-Picaro as my main Persona because her 4-8 light hits of bless seems OP.

Bad idea?

>>376378590
Not even Demi-fiend can hit shit with Lunge, and I couldn't even really tell a difference in damage to the normal attack that doesn't cost HP.

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>people not realizing that OP's Yoshitsune is suppose to be ironic
Jesus fucking Christ and you wonder why people shit on you weebs for being autistic.

>>376378840
He debut in Soul Hacker (1997)

>>376378758
Lunge is good in IV and IV:A early on. That's about it though.

>>376378921
It has a 4chan filename, I doubt it's OPs.

>>376373507>>376373762
Are you niggers talking about Firm Stance?

>>376378204
that was just his SMTII design

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>>376376476

Japan's done dumber.

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>>376369663
>lunge

>>376379685
I only realized in P5 that he actually has eyes next to his mouth and the thing ontop is just a retarded accessory.

>>376379685

Speaking of Forneus why was he so high level this game?

>>376376476
You really think that's dumber than him being Bishamon incarnate, or the one story about him traveling to a hundred different islands in order to steal a demon's super secret texts of strategy and tactics, including an island of giants and and island of all women that wanted to /ss/ him to death until he played his flute at them?

>>376379967
I misread that as 'steal a demon's super secret taxes'

>>376379743
fuck

>>376379967
yes I do because it shows the japs trying to steal historical figures from other nations and claim them as their own

>>376374169
I went firm stance + divine pillar accessory, so even the last bosses were only doing like 30 damage per hit on hard. All you really need to repel/drain is bless and curse to counter instant deaths, and you're good to go. Then loaded up on shit like instant-heal, arms master, ali dance, and enduring soul.

>>376377710
Personally I'd drop oratorio and have another persona or companions handle healing duty. I find stuff like insta-heal a lot more beneficial because the biggest threat to you is losing control of your characters. Black viper also doesn't do enough extra damage over megidolaon to bother having, in my opinion.

>>376380705
Sounds good to me. I wanted to keep Oratorio because it also nulls debuffs, which I think is a huge deal, but debuffs only last three turns so maybe you're right.

Imagine if you could battle people online in persona 5.

>>376381089
But in those 3 turns you've got 50% less defense, 50% less evasion and 50% less attack power.

>>376380705
>if you don't want to absorb everything you could instead go with dodging, damage reduction, full revive on death

Yeah, or you could go with absorb everything and be even better.

>>376381392
that sounds tedious as fuck.

>>376376275
Why does Nyarly existing mean other characters from the Cthulhu Mythos can't be personas? They're just characters from myths and even explicitly fictional stories given form by the collective unconscious, right? Following that logic it seems like basically any character could be a persona.

>>376381947
frankly even nyarly and philemon are just masks drawn from the colletive unconsciousness same as all persona. philemon is the face worn by the 'positivity' of the CU while Nyarly is the face worn by the negativity. they aren't actually outsiders, and a conversation between Philemon and Nyarly is a conversation the collective unconsciousness is having with itself.

pretty much the only entity in the entire persona franchise that is a true outsider is the Nyx in P3

>>376381089
I don't remember if getting debuffed when you're buffed drops you one stage or two, but in the former case oratorio would be useless because you never actually went to negative stats and in the latter using it would be identical to just casting the buff again.

>>376381465
One major advantage of firm stance + divine pillar is that it also negates 75% of almighty damage which otherwise would completely bypass all your drains. I've never actually been threatened by any incoming damage with Yoshitsune, so most of the abilities are filler. However, I do think stuff like insta-heal is more valuable than any amount of drains, because you'll always fear losing control of your characters from the nastier statuses which may not even be fixable if it lands on your party just right.

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Anyone else don't like your teammate's Bond 10 Personas?

All of their original personas looks like it was made for them. Like how their masks are part of their Persona.

As in example, Morgana has Zoro then turns to some fucking weird ass thing with wings in his eyes.

"Skull" gets a Monkey God when Captain Kidd has a skull

>>376383216
I don't like many either. Morgana's is fine but he only gets his on the very last day of the game. Yusuke's is fine but not as cool as his starter persona.

>>376382580
Debuffs drop you back to neutral if you're already buffed when one hits you. That's how it's always been as far as I can recall.

Why doesn't Demi-Fiend have marking on the back of his legs?

>>376372621

This..... I thought he was trolling.

>>376384397
Why don't you?

>>376369663
Hassou tobi is the only reason to have this persona.

yo anyone have that chart that shows how to get yoshitsune with all the drains and shit from fusions? i thought i saved it last time i saw it

>>376386838

>Hassou Tobi
>strong resistances
>can easily hit 99 strength
>only reason

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>>376387065

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>>376377279
I'm glad, Thor's design is perfect

>>376369663
Why not give him Null Phys for gun attacks or is that a bad idea?

>>376387503
Because null phys only nulls phys and not gun. There's no way to give a persona gun immunity if it doesn't have one from the start.

>>376387129
>can easily hit 99 ST
All personas can do that, unless they're like level 85+ and don't have enough base ST.

>>376369663
>Yoshi with no Hassou Tobi and Arms Master

Ok OP you got me, I'm triggered

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What skills should I give my boy?
I wish primal force was in the game.

>>376387581
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Imagine if you could inherit Ayamur.

>>376387330
thanks friend

>>376388034
One Shot Kill
all the gun buffs
phanta rhei

>>376378675
Why does temperature have to be related to water? The freezing and boiling points of water have absolutely nothing to do with dry air

>>376371770
Yoshitsune was already broken in the original P4 too.

>>376375121
>(SMT4 Final did a decent job of this)
I really didn't like fucking everything getting its own pierce though, in the end there no reason to use Almighty if you have any pierce because it goes through every kind of resistance.

Pierce should be unable to go through either drain or repel depending on the element.

>>376379743
what

>>376377520
>I just want Nyarla to come back first since Philemon's now acknowledged by modern Persona

Oh? How?

>>376377710
How much damage is Black Viper compared to Megidolaon?

>>376390254
I haven't noticed a large increase so I replaced it with magic ability.

R8 my (planned) Satanael

Megidolaon
Concentrate
Heat Riser
Debilitate

Almighty Boost
Almighty Amp
Magic Ability
Victory Cry

Not sure if I should replace something with Unshaken Will or something

>>376390487
I wanted to do something like that too, but he has a gun. It was a waste not to do a One Shot Kill set-up for him and made him into a replica of my Arsene, except with Unshaken Will instead of Angelic Grace+Ali Dance.
I'd get rid of Debilitate for Unshaken will with that set-up. You can always have a different persona buff/debuff before switching in to Satanael.

>>376390614
It's more of a waste because Joker is the only one in the party capable of Almighty damage