WHO'S TAKING THE 9TH GEN?

>>376363095
I was surprised to learn the Pro is being outsold by the Vita. That's alarming. Even more alarming was Sony didn't provide a sell through figure for VR.

>>376363095
Scorpio is going to be 30 times more powerful than a switch so like what is this meme of calling the switch ninth gen? It isn't. It doesn even surpass the nvidia shieod and that isn't considered 8th or even 7th gen.

>>376363095
Scorpio
Pspro
Switch

>>376363512
Gen is date of release, not hardware power.

>>376363095
Who cares just enjoy gaming quit identifying with console manufacturers and marketing executives bs

>>376363095
Only Nintendo's machine seems like it'll be an actual upgrade from their previous ones. PS4 Pro is and Scorpio looks to be more of the same thing, but in 4K!!!!

>>376363271
I love VR, and I really do love my HTC Vive, but it's still not ready for a mainstream release.

PS4 Pro isn't another generation, it's a souped up PS4

Ps4 just got to 60 million units sold who gives a fuck

>>376363095
Gens are dead. We will just get stronger versions of Xbone and ps4 from now :^)

>>376363697
Nes Mini is not an 8th gen console. It is only loosely attributable to date of release, cause it implies using the newest tech for the time. Nintendo doesnt do that though.

fuck off arbitrary shitlord. Nes Mini Classic is not an 8th gen console.

Scorpio will outperform PSPRO

>>376363827
Why do people think scorpio is still xbone? Its significantly better than an xbone.

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>>376363095
whoever reach 10 millions first

Scorpio is the only true 9th Gen console. It's going to make PC games look like turds when it releases.

PS4 Pro
Scorpio
Switch

>>376364424
And why do you think scorpio games have to run on xbone...?

The PS4 is outselling the Switch worldwide.

none of these are 9th gen

>>376364753
Scorpio is literally a new console and it about 5 times better performance than the xbone. New gpu, new cpu, new architecture. It's backwards compatable with xbone, but that doesnt mean its just the Xbone Pro. It's significantly better than either the xbone or PS4 pro.

>>376363271
knowing how much sony and neogaf love to brag about sales says a lot.

psvr must be a massive flop.

when does scorpio come out

>>376363994
shipped. They probably

>>376365163
-they probably only sold 30 mil but lie to keep up this fake image to trick investors.

and if pspro is any indicator. Sony is going to loose next gen to the fucking vita of all things.

Why the fuck do people buy consoles any more?

Its it just morons and normies?

Serious question

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>>376364226
>>376363512

You're a fucking moron.

>>376363095
PS4pro isn't 9th gen
Its a PS4 revision, released 2 years after the first PS4

are you guys dumb enough to think the ps4 pro is a direct competitor to the switch?

>>376365813
Are you dumb enough to think the switch isnt just a wii u which was already just competing against the ps3 and 360?

>>376363095
PS4 Pro isn't next-gen, its like the new 3DS.
Scorpio isn't next-gen either, it just plays Xbox One games in 4k.

>>376366098
You dont need 6 teraflops to play games in 4k when the pro manages with 1.8

>>376363095
Fuck off with the console wars crap. You autistic twat.

>>376364424
So does that make ps4 7th gen?
Since it's only games are vita and ps3 ports?

>>376364356
Scorpio is literally just a gaming pc that can't run steam marketed to normies though lol.
I'm all for it though. Brings shit to our platform.

>>376363095
Scorpio = Switch > PS4

Scorpio vs Switch comes down to this E3, though MS would have to do a massive turnaround for it to win.

>>376363271
It's not really that surprising when you take into account that the PS4Pro is marketed as a 4K console and not that many people have 4KTVs

>>376366329
4K Chess maybe

>>376363925
This. People are treating it like it's already dead but it hasn't even been born yet. That's why we don't see any games for it yet.

>>376366512
LOL

>>376366329
>pro
>4k

its just upscaled to 4k. scoripo will actually have true 4k with selected games actually running at 60fps.
the pro cant do any of that shit.

>>376363095
Scorpio gonna be the new mustard race, watch it come with Windows 10 S and windows store app support.

>>376366010
As if it was clear before you have no idea how generations or how hardware works

>>376366098
But exclusives will be allowed, so in the future when the xbone gets outdated the scorpio will probably have enough power to keep for 2 years more

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>scorpio>switch>ps4pro

switch is already outselling ps4pro. Scorpio will take all normies, fuck the nogames meme, normies only buy cod,fifa,gta,destiny.

>>376366502
t. nintendo drone

PS4 is winning by a long shot, the Switch is already starting to get outsold by the 4 according to vgchartz. Really comes down to E3 for the Scorpio.

>>376365242
Switch got Nintendo games
PS4 got Sony games
Xbone got Halo

>>376366839
>everyone who doesn't suck sonys dick is a nintenbro
wtf is wrong with you people?

That's pathetic that ps4 pro is losing to switch when it's not even in stock anywhere

>>376363827
So is the switch

>>376363925

Yep. This. 100% this.

I'm a software developer so I'm both fairly well off in terms of money and tech knowledge so I'm loving messing around with my Vive, Rift, and PSVR.

That said, it's absolutely not ready for the average gamer Joe:

- Even after a year there's no must-have software for VR. Hell, the Switch has only been out for a couple months and even it already has TWO must-have games.

- It's not trivial to set-up. Even the PSVR will be difficult to set-up for the average gamer. Forget about making sure you have the right hardware requirements for the Rift (multiple specific USB 3.0 controllers) or can get through the hours-long installation and software set-up of the Vive.

- The resolution and optics are pretty shitty. It's like going back in time to 480i CRT TVs... A massive difference from your typical 1080p IPS LED TV and an insane difference from your new 4K HDR OLED curved TV. And then there's the issue that you need to train yourself to not move your eyeballs-only look ahead to where your face is pointing otherwise it's blurry and distorted.

PS always wins. PS5 will be the best.

>>376367508
>Switch is in first place because the wii u was a huge failure and they had to make a brand new console
Somebody please explain the logic behind this post.

>trying to win faux generations

nah, ps4 already won

cuck companies are trying to push new hardware, because they are cancer

>>376363095
The PS4 already sold a shitload. Why would you buy a Pro/Scorpio instead of a Switch?
You can still play the same games on your non-pro PS4 or PC while Switch has a few exclusives coming (or already has, depends if you got a WiiU or not and most people didn't).

I'd say that most people who got a Switch, already own a PS4.


>b-but Scorpio is more powerful
Who gives a shit, just upgrade your PC instead if you want your multiplats in 4K

>>376364356
Hahaha you actually believe that.

Switch is already outpacing PS4, so get fucked.

Sony, albeit not with the "Pro," is going to hold down the multiplat arena with its basic unit, along with various exclusives, primarily of the weeb variety.

Scorpio will be a great console, as the One S is, but as far as mainline, "powerful" consoles go, Sony has already cornered that, even if the hardware is shit in comparison. So it is.

Switch will do very well, but is likely to not be a direct competitor to either. It will be full of shovelware, first party exclusives, ports old and new, etc.

As for me, Switch is the only one I care about, since Nintendo is still the only one not attempting to straight up emulate PC hardware.

t. Nintenbro + PCfat

>>376367904
>This thing is doing well because the last thing failed
Once again, someone explain this retard logic.

>>376366530
this is changing recently, but it doesn't really matter since the change in resolution isn't really worth the extra processing power and most systems can't even get a resonable 60fps in the first place

PS4 Pro and Scorpio are not 9th gen consoles. Switch is currently the only 9th gen console.

>>376363095

>all these glorified adboxes with a shiny new coat of paint
>console gaming in 2017

Ayy lmao.

>>376366665
That would probably be the best move Microsoft could do. Give the Xbox the ability to switch into a Windows 10 desktop mode and have new Xbox games run on Windows 10.

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one more month until sonyggas get btfo.

>>376368512
>Where did i say that the switch was going to fail?
Can you legitimately not read or understand what you're replying to?

>>376368485
>announce a bunch of games that will either take 3 years to come out or just get fucking canned entirely
shaking

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>PS4 won so hard it forced Microsoft and Nintendo to try again and make new consoles

kek

The Nintendo switch has the potential o be good with a hardware revision and strong first party support. Microsoft is the one who goofed the hardest because they thought Xbox lost due to bad messaging and PS4's power advantage so they canceled all their first party projects to focus develop the Scorpio and will be shipping with with zero games since they ported what was left on Xbox to PC.

Power isn't the name of the game in the console business and we've seen that time and time again from the Gamecube to the Vita. It's all about games, marketing and price points. The scorpio barely has marketing down since PS4 Pro coined the term ''The most powerful console in the world'' and Microsoft is playing second fiddle and will be seen as desperately trying to catch up and one-up Sony with ''guys please don't listen to Sony because it's WE who have the most powerful one now, we just canceled all our games to make it happen oh and that'll be $600''. PC: ''Uhh Xbox you not only game me all your game but we also have the most powerful hardware, why do you exist again?''

It's honestly sad MS marketers desperately try and have to latch themselves onto Sony and Nintendo in a desperate attempt to get mindshare because nobody on /v/ ever even semi-legitimately talks about Xbox now because as a brand it's so done and defeated. The only time people talk about Xbox is to ridicule it and circlejerk about the fact that it literally doesn't have a single game or exclusive left to it's name and is trying to gain an advantage by desperately using MS's bank account to start a spec war it already lost to PC before it even began not to mention all it's games are on PC and run better by virtue.

The bottom line is there is no reason for Xbox to exist in this industry, it has no identity, it has no games and all it's franchises have become trash that undersold and bombed, every single one.

>>376368436
IIRC they mentioned support for existing VR headsets, that could be an easy way for them to get support for a shitton of VR content already made for windows.

>>376368641
What company are you talking about? Your descriptions fits sony conference at E3 with games likes kingdom hearts and god of war.

How is the scorpio any different than a PC at this point?

>>376368697
Well if that's the point you're going to bring up, which still has NOTHING to do with the logic you're attempting to apply to this scenario, let's at least establish that generations are basically dead now and what we'll be seeing from now on is smart phone like upgrades and increments. Now, as for the original point of this whole exchange
>The Switch is in first place because the Wii u was a huge failure and they had to make a brand new console
>The switch is winning because the last console failed
Again, you have yet to explain your logic or reasoning behind this statement, and you've been deflecting in every which fucking direction possible to avoid having to explain it.

>>376363095
The PS5 will be announced within 2 years
When the PS2 slim was released, the PS3 was announced 2 years later
When the PS3 slim was released, the PS4 was announced a year later

>>376368829
The Xbox is going up against PS4 and Nintendo with this


Xbox + PC : Sea Of Thieves, Cuphead, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2

Vs

PS4 : Death Stranding, Spiderman, God Of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Bloodborne, Nioh, The Last Guadian, Gundam Versus, Gran Turismo Sport, Persona 5, Yakuza 0, Yakuza 6, Uncharted 4, Uncharted Lost Legacy, Crash Bandicoot Nsane, Ratchet and Clank, Nier Automata, Kingdom Hearts 1-3, Final Fantasy 12 Zodiac, World Of Final Fantasy, Dragonquest XI, Dragonquest Builders, Gravity Rush 1/2, Digimon Cyber Slueth, Digimon Next Order, Digimon Hackers Memory, Gundam Breaker 3 and the list goes on and on and on

>>376363095
I just want all of them to do well.
More games more fun

>>376369021
It has even less games and you can't upgrade it.

>>376369079
this

generations are dead, and Nintendo hasn't even cared to keep up in lockstep with release schedules of MS/Sony since the Wii U. and neither of them clearly care anymore about that either, considering iterations (pro, scorpio, slim/S) don't coincide with each other, while also not truly signifying gaps to constitute a generation.

>>376369356
>PS4 Pro and Scorpio not coinciding with each other

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>>376369616
>Deflects again, completely ignoring what I'm asking
Kill yourself. I'm done trying to have a conversation with an autistic.

>>376369356
Honestly, this "mid-gen" release might have been really smart.
People already got at least one console, so they don't mind getting another one and since most games are multiplat anyways and X1 doesn't have any games, it only leaves the Switch

>>376369205
Honestly, why would anyone buy a X1?
It's not like owning a PS4 makes it impossible to play on PC or buy a Switch

>>376369415
they don't. Pro is already on the market and established. Scorpio isn't. they might have similar goals, but it wouldn't be right to refer to them as some kind of generational upgrade.

>>376369731
Proofs? Let us know when it hits 60 million sold.

>>376369749
Not gonna argue that.

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>>376369854
>Proofs? Let us know when it hits 60 million sold.
PS4 is pretty even with Wii U in Japan and Xbone in NA, its only doing so well because EU really fucking loves playing FIFA on PS

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>>376369961
>Can't use any reaction images any longer without weeb strawman being thrown out
Lurk or get the fuck out you newfag fuck. You still haven't answered the question of WHY THE WII U BEING A FAILURE MEANS THE SWITCH IS DOING WELL

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sony is back to last place.

All is good in the gaming world.

1.Nintendo
2.Scorpio
3.PSPro

Just like the wii Era.

>>376370303
>if i keep saying it itll come true!

>>376368239
Entry level 4k TVs are very affordable now. Walmart has 4k TVs at less than $300 for a 50 inch one.

>>376363512
No, the Nvidia shield isn't stronger than the Switch, lmfao.

>>376370752
Who cares what Europe thinks?

>>376370040
>Only eurofags care about PS4
Disgusting. Of course they'd have completely shit taste.

>>376368485
they've been getting blown out since March 3

It's pretty great. We can discuss games now because they're all depressed and don't come to /v/ as often

>>376370040
5 Xbox live coins have been deposited in your account

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>>376370863
EU just doesn't like Nintendo or Xbox
Probably because Sony was nice enough to keep selling the PS2 two gens later so they could still play the latest FIFA

>>376370692
A-Anon, he is baiting all your (Yous). Soon you will be dry.

>>376363095
>THE 9TH GEN
we still on eight

>>376370692
>I said Nintendo had to start the 9th gen because the wii u failes.
Nintendo is just doing what Nintendo does
Their consoles always last 5-6 years, they don't need to wait just because Sony and M$ like to have 8 year gens. Nintendo more likely just wanted to move on a bit earlier than usual because there wasn't much point in making new games for a console that no one owned.

>japs buys 3ds solely for monster hunter
Nintedo wins again!
>eu buys ps solely for fifa
w-who cares what they think!!!!

>>376371372
Switch is a 9th Gen console, I guess PS4Pro is technically just a midgen upgrade like DSi, but its still 8th Gen.
However Scorpio seems like a 9th Gen console and M$ is just using fancy marketing speak to make backwards compatibility sound like a new feature

>>376371385
The difference is that MH is good and FIFA is a normie sports game

>>376371385
>Japan has good taste and Europe has shit taste

Nintendo makes it difficult to use the term "generation" meaningfully. Not that Sony and MS with their rehash consoles are helping

I think 8th gen was the last generation because after this it's too difficult to reach consensus on how it applies

>>376371606
Well yeah, no one bought it, its not really up for debate it sold pretty poorly.
Which is a damn shame too because its the only console that got interesting exclusives.

>>376371697
>Nintendo makes it difficult to use the term "generation" meaningfully.
They've literally always had 5 year cycles with two consoles lasting 6 years instead
Just because Sony and M$ want 8 year gens doesn't mean Nintendo is the one doing something weird

>>376364342
Because regardless of the specs the thing itself is only going to be playing Xbone games, not some sort of Scorpio exclusive games. The entire point of it is for Microsoft to take advantage of their "Dynamic Resolution" kind of thing where they can throw things to 1080p if the game allows it with much better AA or texture filtering and newer games taking advantage of the hardware. All games released on it have to work on the Xbone which makes it the Xbone's PS4 Pro or N3DS.

Why is PS4 Pro 9th gen, but New 3DS is still 3DS? Oh wait, shitposters.

sony finna file for chapter 11

That's not the 9th gen though. That's 8.5 - you don't get a new gen unless you can leave the previous one behind.

>>376371385
>MonHun
Fantasy monster hunting game where you fight giant monsters with a large arsenal of somewhat unique weapons

>Fifa
Barebones divegrass

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>>376363095

And no matter who wins this arbitrary pissing contest we all WIN NOTHING!

But I hope you win a ban OP for being such a god damn faggot.

Mobile will always wins in the end.

Nintendo is smart.

Mobile computer is then next frontier.

From games, to phones, to laptop. EVERYTHING.

In future you won't be seeing wired connections anymore....

>>376372127
>monsterhunter
rehash
>fifa
rehash

wow that was difficult

>>376372460
Fifa is the rehashiest rehash on the planet, even CoD innovates more between games than Fifa.
Hell, even MonHun's glorified DLCs are less of a rehash than Fifa.

>>376364226
>Nes Mini is not an 8th gen console.
It would have been if they had made the NES Mini the successor to their 7th gen console.
Of course they didn't so the NES Mini isn't an 8th gen console. But had they seriously made it to be, it could have been.

Power and performance is entirely irrelevant to iterations of generations.

>>376372020
Nintendo fags basically trying to make it look like the Switch is making a dentist on the PS4. The Pro isn't a next gen console. It is the PS4 with some 4k shit added.

>>376363095
>Will Scorpio outsell PSPRO

Lolno. Scorpio won't outsell Wii U.

>>376372641
You mean like the Xbone sold double what the Wiiu sold?
The Scorpio will outsell the SWITCH when it's all said and done.

>>376372818

Yeah but there is zero reason to upgrade to Scorpio if you don't have a 4k TV and won't be much of one if you do.

>>376372963
lol now power doesn't matter hahaha

>>376366801
>Scorpio will take all normies
In America maybe.
Microsoft have always struggled outside of America.

Switch will be dead the second PS5 and Scorpio arrive.

>>376371385
>w-who cares what they think!!!!
Exactly. Who cares?

The difference is that people who buy Monster Hunter are actual gamers who play games.
People who buy FIFA are most of the time people who just buy FIFA and perhaps one or two other games and nothing else. Ever.

There are reasons for why the PS4 even with its installed base has very comparable game sales to even the Wii U down at the very bottom when it comes to its installed base.

Wait so why wouldn't people buy a PS4, a cheaper system that looks amazing, has actual games with more coming over a more expensive system with no games?

What's the logic here?

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>>376373159
>/v/ actually thinks PCbox 5 will outsell a portable console with HD TV outputs, seamless transitioning between modes, an actually innovative controller that's 2 player out of the box, and local multiplayer

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>>376373640
>It's old
>It's marginally cheaper
>It's already owned by most people
>It doesn't do anything new and is just another PCbox movie player
>It's guaranteed to go down in price while Nintendo products aren't
>It has shitty controllers

>Nintendo has marketing and the Switch is Trendy
Gee, I wonder why?

>>376373640
>looks amazing

this is bait

>>376373596
First off, games like uncharted, ratchet and clank, dark souls and so on sell a huge amount on the PS4

It's just that people buying the PS4 for those same 2-3 games is a huge amount of people

And there's nothing wrong with that, it doesn't mean that other games don't sell a shitton man and that people don't want them

What about said about nintendo makes perfect sense, because monster hunter, mario, zelda etc, is the "fifa" of nintendo consoles

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>>376373831
>it's old
and yet somehow a lot more powerful.

Really activates my almonds

>>376373831
Can you explain if this is sarcasm or what?

>>376373840
Uncharted 4 and bloodborne are one of the most beautiful games I ever played
The system is fine and didn't even start to show it's age

>>376374093
Yes, because it's 10 times larger and heavier. It also has no screen and no battery, and comes with 1 controller that has a 4 hour battery. Completely inferior in every way that matters. What a PS4 supposedly does well is done better by PC, and it doesn't do anything the Switch does.

>>376374254
The PS4 plays games and it also has good exclusives that aren't on PC

What more do you want from a gaming console?
The switch is just more gimmicks from nintendo that most people won't use anyways

>>376374137
go away sony shill pajeet.

>>376364581
Only had a several year head start. People are waiting on a solid library before purchasing a Switch. Hold your horses, anon.

>>376374476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrN5arZKJok

>>376374413
The Switch plays games, has a seamless sleep mode that activates in seconds, and is portable. It also has exclusives, both upcoming and current, especially for Wii U ports that aren't owned by most people.

No matter how much you spout about how the Switch is just using "le gimmicks" and will "never sell", you'll be wrong. Portability isn't a "cheap gimmick" and neither are motion controls in wireless, detached controllers. Most people are, in fact, using portable mode. Nintendo has already done surveys, showing that at least 50 percent of users play the Switch almost exclusively in portable mode.

fuck

>>376374583
Most people aren't interested in mario and zelda rehashes

Nintendo covers that nostalgia crowd that will eat any shit that nintendo throws at them

Don't get me wrong I played their systems when I was a kid too and loved their games, but I'm over that shit

I think Americans just love nostalgia or something

>>376374589
>posting a cutscene

Well the game pretty much is a movie.

>>376374413
How about something that isn't a gimped PC? I own a PC for power. I don't need a boring square box that's inferior in every way to my PC. It's time that consoles actually add something different if they're never going to catch up in power anyways.

>>376374715
Nah, maybe there's just more people who aren't boring fags that only play sports shit or movie games.

Wii competed against PS2 and Xbox as a loose followup to the gamecube. Wii U Competed against PS3 and 360.Switch continues to compete against the PS3 and 360 as a loose followup to the Wii U.

Like shit, hardware performance is how you define these generations, not explicitly just arbitrary release dates. If you want to be a fucking retard and say it's based on release date, then the NES Classic Mini is a 9th gen console going off Wii U apparently being 8th gen. Moreover you get yourself into a different pile of shit as a fanboy when saying shit like the Switch is a generational leap over the Wii U or the Wii a generational leap over the Gamecube, but the PS4Pro doesn't count cause autism.

Nintendo isn't in the same game as microsoft and sony. They say by their own admission that they don't try to match what Microsoft and Sony are doing, so if they want to play by different rules then they play a different game unrelated to the generational leaps in console tech pioneered by Sony and Microsoft.

If you want to get extra autismo about it, you can go read the eighth gen consoles article on wiki, where they list 'microconsoles' like the Nvidia Shield by simple referential acknowledgement alone, stating that the likes of the Nvidia Shield are not 8th gen or even 7th gen consoles - and given the Switch has a lower threshold for performance than an Nvidia Shield, well you fill in the blanks.

Switch is not a 9th gen console and being a blatant nintendo fanboy isn't doing you any favors.

>>376364542
Because Microsoft said there would be no Scorpio exclusives? Have you been living under a rock?

>>376374715
>Most people aren't interested in mario and zelda rehashes
102% attach rate

>>376374413
>ps4
>last gen consoles

this is a 9th gen console thread.

Take you ps4 to /vr/

>>376374748
Because my PC can play bloodborne, uncharted, killzone, yakuza games and so on

I own a gaming PC but I can't miss out on a PS4 when so many amazing games are on it

I'm a gamer, not a master race faggot like yourself

>>376374716
>>376374854
Uncharted has no cutscenes it's all in engine
The game itself is very fun, but how would you know you didn't play it
Classic v

>>376374952
It's the only game the system had
You don't buy a system for it to just sit there
So of course everyone got zelda with it

>>376374907
the thing was literally designed for VR and shit. Xbone wont be doing VR very well on it's own when it had a lower performance limit than even the PS4 which need the PS4Pro to start doing it well.

There will be exclusive Scorpio games. It has way too much power to just be an upressed Xbone.

>>376375091
this marketer is going all out !

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I love the shit out of the PS4 Pro and will get a Switch once I see one in stock and it's not the colorful one.

Who cares about the Scorpio.

>>376374979
Why is a 9th gen console weaker than a PS4?

>>376375109
>There will be exclusive Scorpio games
Source?
I always saw scorpio as something like a ps4pro

>>376375136
>e-everyone who disagrees with me is a shill ;_;
hah

>>376374884
Sorry, but the Switch is 9th generation no matter how you slice it. A mobile platform isn't going to have its power judged in comparison to its peers as a requirement. It's running a mobile chip and still performs around 40% of an Xbone if we're talking pure power, and that's with the chip being underclocked. Correctly optimized games utilizing FP16 could be running just as well as an Xbone game. This would be on a mobile device, by the way.

It's like saying a phone isn't from 2017 because it can't compete with a laptop. That's not how it works.

>>376375267
damn this shill won't quit lol

>>376375163
Same boat. Love my Pro, PC gaming isnt for me and will probably grab a Switch one day. Went through around 8 360s because of its atrocious failure rate and have no interest in giving MS anymore of my money. Granted they replaced them all for free, they still sent refurbished time bombs to me.

>>376363095
The 3DS again.

>>376375091
Except I own a PS3 and the trilogy and played UC4 at my buddy's place. It's the same thing. The only difference is the story and graphics. Everything you experience in the game can be mostly retained by watching a playthrough, which isn't the case with more gameplay focused games, many of which come directly from Nintendo as exclusives.

Also, PC can't play Switch games, and once a PS4 emulator comes out you'll be able to play PS4 games, so I'm not sure what your shitty argument is. Killzone's also complete dogshit, you might as well have mentioned Knack and gone full Dunkey.

>"I'm not a master race faggot I'm just a gamer :^)"
Seriously, can you be any more transparent as a falseflagger?

>>376375301
Do you think phones and consoles are a fair comparison?
Fucking retarded

>>376375163
>>376375371
Kinda feel the same as you fags
After the switch drops in price, I'll maybe pick it up

But it all depends on its games tho
The newer mario games have been way too easy and brainless for my tasteless

But things are looking good

I'm also not sure if that zelda game is any better than horizon

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>>376366335
>Gonna buy the Pro for my youngest daughter's birthday
>Switch for the eldest
>Scorpio for Christmas
>Everyone wins

>>376375602
are those trump supporters after trump took their healthcare

>>376375267
The PS4Pro is only like 80% better than the standard PS4, while the Scorpio is 500% better than the Xbone. The Xbone S is the practical equivalent to the PS4Pro, cause it's better than the xbone but not by much.

There's too much power there just for the sake of Xbone games that load faster and natively play 4K 60fps - even if their initial statements about it were it being just that. Between the generational leap in hardware alone combined with vulkan support which the original Xbone doesn't have, we're looking at a relative 10x increase in the upper limits of graphical fidelity between Xbone and Scorpio, with half of that expected just to push 60fps 4K.

>>376375527
Yes, phones and consoles are good allusions. The Switch is the smartphone of consoles. The PS4 and Xbone are prebuilt PCs or overpriced laptops. The PC is basically just PC. Laptops are more powerful than smartphones, but smartphones get more powerful every year, with a smaller package and generally better or comparable battery life. That's what the Switch does for consoles. The PS4 and Xbone also don't have the advantage of having ANY portability or battery at all, meaning that the edge the Switch has in those categories are absolute.

>>376364753
>>376374907
Really late but unless they changed their minds AGAIN they opted not to do that.

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>>376375717
>healthcare
Just don't get sick. It's so easy.

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>>376375717
Holy shit

>>376363095
Switch is probably going to get the Wii U audience, a big amount of the 3DS audience after the 3DS dies, and some older Nintendo fans. I think it will probably win the gen, especially when it comes to exclusives (Fact: Nintendo has won every gen when it comes to exclusives except 7th gen).
Pro is going to die. No reason to buy one.
Scorpio is going to probably be an impressive console. I expect a lot from Microsoft, i feel like they learned from their mistakes with the xbone.

>>376375518
Uncharted isn't the only exclusive the PS4 has
You don't like it, that's fine, the games aren't for everyone and I understand why some people don't like the games
But how can you think that watching a game on youtube is somehow a replacement for playing it? Pretty stupid

>Seriously, can you be any more transparent as a falseflagger?
If you really think that you shouldn't be replying
And maybe I shouldn't be replying to a man who thinks "falseflagger" is something to use in a discussion

>>376375857
The PS4 doesn't have enough exclusives to justify me buying one over a Switch, and the PS4 is guaranteed to drop in price. Its hardware provides nothing by itself to me over my PC or a Switch. What exactly is so difficult to understand about this logic?

Also, even considering that the PS4 may be worth owning because of any of the games it has, how exactly does this prove the Switch is not worth owning, again?

>>376375749
That's pretty crazy
What was the difference in power between the original xbone and the ps4?

Was the xbone much weaker?

Also I don't think people will feel good about scorpio only games, when xone has dropped so many games

>>376375717
Those are the other, 'progressive' part of the population. On heroin.

>>376376039
Nigger doesnt the switch have like 2 games?

>>376365242
Switch is portable and has great exclusives
Scorpio is pretty powerful. Of course PC will probably be the "better" option, but consoles are still easier to use and still have console multiplayer.
PS4...uh...is a nice multimedia device? Oh wait, the Xbone S beats it for that....uh...Nice looking paperweight?

>>376376043
Scorpio is DOA if it doesn't get ANY exclusives, like how the N3DS got a few exclusive games. Maybe some titles can be backwards compatible, but definitely not all of them.

>>376376117
2 games in 2 months vs 5 games over 3 1/2 years

>>376376117
It's gotten 2 first party IP games in 2 months, and they're big ones. The PS4 took 2 years before their first good exclusive title came out. Besides the fact that there are at least 3 more exclusives coming out this year, the Switch has a shitload of indie titles worth buying for the portability aspect and it's getting multiplats and 2nd party games coming out this year too.

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>>376363095
>>376363512
>>376363697
>>376364226
>>376363827
>>376364963
>>376365795

welcome to the 90's of game gening

>>376376114
i was waiting for the triggered trumpcuk.

>>376376271
Why are you so assblasted even?

>>376375163
>wanting more boring black/grey color schemes
your battlestation is bland as fuck, get yourself some color in there

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>>376376114
Please, go on and keep deluding yourself. Just make sure not to scratch yourself on that edge in your drunken stupor!

>>376376039
The switch has like 2 games and both of those are on the WiiU

Sounds like a terrible deal to me

Compere that with the PS4 library and it's a joke

I'm sure that in a few years the switch will have enough games to be worth it tho

But hey if you really want to play mario kart and zelda, nothing is stopping you pal

>>376376338
>nu uh ur mad not me
ok

>>376376120
Playstation has exclusives,bucko.

>>376376408
>projecting this hard

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>>376374413
>it also has good exclusives that aren't on PC

>>376376394
The Wii U is out of production, and the console sold an abysmal 13 million. Nobody owns the Wii U to justify buying the Wii U version. The game also released at the exact same time on both consoles.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has additional content for the Switch, would be portable, has updated graphics, and has local multiplayer.

Both of these games are worth buying the system for. If you personally don't care about those games, then go ahead and wait. But the system already has plenty of merit under its belt, and it's only going to become more attractive as a device as the year continues.

>>376376043
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-vs-xbox-720-which-is-better-1127315/2

they were close but PS4 was better.

also I misquoted the boost of the Pro over the PS4. Pro was about 300% better, from 1.8GFLOPS to 4.something

The Vulkan support is whats going to add even more boost over simple better hardware alone, with vulkan also being how the Switch is even possible given it's hardware raw limits are worse than a PS3's.

>>376376536
>Ni oh
>DragonQuest Builders
>Persona 5
>The Last Guardian
>Eva Green Pegging Simulator 2017

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>>376376597
>using raw FLOPS output to compare gaming devices

>>376376597
No, the hardware raw limits are not worse than a PS3, why do people keep saying this shit? It has a superior CPU and an superior but underclocked GPU that unlocks during docked mode, and can be further unlocked with firmware updates which they've already tested with developers.

>>376376142
Scorpio will be fully backwards compatible and either natively or with a patch like the Pro, uprez and increase the framerate of older games, allegedly even xbox360 games.

I anticipate it to have actual exclusives on top of that though.

>>376376723
>I anticipate it to have actual exclusives on top of that though.
I mean it is Microsoft were talking about here

>>376376723
It better. Seriously, there is no worse console killer than game droughts and lack of exclusives. Even Nintendo can survive lacking multiplats, but nobody can survive having 0 exclusives on a console that doesn't have any major benefit over its competitors. PC outscales Scorpio no matter how much they brag about its specs, and PS4 and Switch already have more games worth playing the Xbone.

>>376376564
>Both of these games are worth buying the system for.

Subjective
I would say it's not
As I said, nothing's stopping you from doing that
Enjoy

>>376376597
That's interesting
Microsoft is making a big mistake by still not being sure about what the scorpio is

The pro didn't make the base ps4 unusable which is great, but who knows Microsoft might make that mistake

>>376376536
How can you like none of the PS4 exclusives?
I don't even think that's possible if you're a gamer

>>376363095
PS4 pro is shit, Switch is Shit, Scorpio is the highest performing, but PC always wins

>>376376650
over half of those are on other platforms

>>376376845
>calling yourself a "gamer"

ps pro is just an uglier ps4.

>>376376723
>I anticipate it to have actual exclusives on top of that though.
They haven't had good exclusives since 2010, why would that change now? They're even porting everything to pc now

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>>376376120
>Switch has great exclusives
BOTW and MK8 are on Wii U and PC.

>>376377049
>calling yourself a "gamer"
What did the autist mean by this?

>>376376714
the PS3 had like 5 or 6 cores available at 3.2GHz with most games or API configs not utilizing all the available cores. The Switch, docked or undocked, only has 4x1.02GHz cores but a better GPU which safe to say is carrying most of what is there. The PS3 had an upper limit of 230 gflops while the Switch undocked is like 190~, and the docked mode only serves to increase performance to the effect of upping the resolution - not drastically changing the graphics. Since a switch game has to be fully playable in undocked handheld mode, the undocked 190~ gflop limit is the practical design ceiling.

If there was some extra way to bump up a PS3's graphics to 1080p for free much like the dock does for the Switch, and if the PS3 could support Vulkan, you'd find the now 1080p Vulkan PS3 more capable than the Switch in performance.

In other words, a game that tries for some heavy duty graphics via openGL rather than Vulkan on Switch will run worse than it would have on PS3 - or if a straight PS3 game was ported to Switch without vulkan optimization, it would run worse on the switch.

>>376377404
>comparing clock speeds outside of architectures
>comparing FLOPS
Please stop. I don't know which of the two is more powerful, but your comparison methods are retarded.

>>376364356
lol any computer with a 1070 is already better than the Scorpio

>>376377118
I simply meant "Xbox Scorpio" exclusive, aka a newer game that wouldn't run on xbone.

>>376377473
>I dont know anything about optimization for consoles please rape my face

>>376363860
The fuck are you talking about, Splatoon 2 looks literally the same as 1.

>>376377456
Flops are a great comparison seriously were you dropped on your head? Why would you believe flops to be so flawed?

no one wants to play fifa on a blurry ass console.

Glad I won't need glasses while playing in 4k on Scorpio.

>>376375301
>games with 16 bit floats instead of 32 bit floats would run way better!!!!!!!!!!!
this is the dumbest thing i've read in a while and there is not much graphical computing that'd benefit with 16 over 32.

>>376376353
I don't want the consoles to attract attention, the 4K HDR TV it's the centerpiece, not the consoles, they gotta blend in.

>>376377887
Are you a retard? FP16 would double the performance of a game running on Switch.

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>>376378107
and halve the precision.

>>376378107
Video game computational shaders do not run at half precision. This is why video cards dumped FP16 back during the Nvidia TNT2 cards.

FP16 is for scientific calculations. Games don;t fucking use it so stop with this misinformed shit.

>>376378148
And many games don't need the precision of FP32. The performance doubling would be worth it for many games that could be ported to or made exclusively for the Switch.

The Switch is a downgrade from the Wii U.

>>376378278
>"The Tegra processors has 256 cuda cores, which run at a certain frequency (usually given in GHz which can be seen as revolutions per second. 1GHz means 1.000.000.000 revolutions per second)
>Flops are floating point operations per second. Those are just how many multiplications and additions can be handled per second by the GPU (And Terra stands for *1.000.000.000.000 so one trillion) FP 16 and FP 32 refers to the accuracy of those numbers. As you know, there is an infinite amount of numbers (if you only look at pi. It is infinite by itself. Which means, that no computer is ever able to store the full number.) FP 32 is a number format, that uses 32 bit (4 byte) per number. You basically have one bit that shows if the number is positive or negative. >Then you have two to the power of an 8 bit number (-127 to 127) and then you have 24 bits for some fraction. A little example would be (-1)0 * 22 * ½ = 1 * 4 * ½ = 2
>Whats actually important is, that the higher you go with these numbers, the bigger is the space between them. The best example for this is mario 64. :D is Mario's position as a float. If you go far enough to one direction, at some point you won't be able to move anymore. Because the difference between your position and the next possible position is too great :D
>FP 16 is less accurate with just 5bits for the exponent and 10 bits for the fraction. So less smaller numbers and a greater distance between high numbers. And the maximum number is also way smaller than it is for FP32. You need more processing power to add, subtract, multiply or divide a FP32 number than a FP16 number."

Also, it's completely possible for games to use half-precision floats: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1297459

>>376378612
It serves no purpose and get your Neogaf shit out of here:

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/native-fp16-support-in-gpu-architectures.56180/

FP16 is USELESS.

>>376378612
lol this is pathetic Cerny trying not to loose his job for making a weak ass ''upgrade''

in terms of install base even if switch stays nº1 till the end sony still had years building up theirs so i dont see the point of this sales dick wagling, in term of meme gimmick consoles the pro is a brick and scorpio with all the power in the world is still not a pc where all the games will be either way, i guess the switch ends up on top from these 3 because they have zelda? i hope you guys like zelda dlc because thats about the only thing you gonna get.

>>376378562
Wii U didn't have Vulkan support so it evens out.

they could just as easily released a Wii U successor with Vulkan support though and rivaled xbone and ps4 graphical fidelity.

There's a lot Nintendo could have done with a next console and technically there is a lot they did with the switch, but the price of the Switch is fucking retardedly high for what you're getting when the vulkan API is making up for the signficantly lower hardware specs.

Nintendo is being awfully disingenuous and anti-consumerist with their Switch pricing and marketing in leading people to believe it's worth more than $199, virtually praying on what the average consumer doesn't understand about the importance of the emerging Vulkan.

>>376378695
"The argument against FP16 ALUs was lost from the start, however, as the improvement in game performance and benchmark results from a Series 6XT part (boosted in no small part by said FP16 ALUs) versus an otherwise similar Series 6 part with the same number of FP32 ALUs proved to be very real. FP32 ops performance obviously hasn't been much of a limiting factor.If the argument is that GPU designers who support a more flexible range of precisions that more optimally target the workloads of real apps are somehow holding app designers and the industry back, then... well, that's a ridiculous argument. By that logic, nVidia's lower competitive performance, efficiency, whatever is holding app designers back. Their inability to provide unconditional color blending accuracy and floating point Z precision like PowerVR does with its tile buffer is holding the industry back. Their architecture's inability to cope with overdraw as well as PowerVR is holding things back, etc. That kind of argument is ridiculous."

>"You have got it backwards. It is not a case of FP32 catching up to FP16, it is FP16 capabilities being enhanced. It is happening in PC graphics as well, witness AMDs Tonga and where Intel is going since Gen8. The reasons have been given before. All else being equal, FP16 operations take less power, requires less internal (and external) bandwidth, the hardware takes much less die area which for a given level of performance which lowers cost and improves yield which lowers cost again. Alternatively, for a given budget of die space and power draw, FP16 yields much better performance. Routinely using a compact numerical representation and only using larger formats when actually needed simply makes sense. Why waste limited resources?"

These don't support your point, at all.

>>376378926
Vulkan offers zero benefits in performance over the low level access consoles have been using since the beginning of time.

>>376379183
guess we'll just overlook we're already in 64bit but whatever.

>>376378695
>Literally just one guy in that thread claiming to have previously worked for a dev being assmad that people with more knowledge than him are blowing his arguments out of the water

Was this guy you, by chance?

I especially like how one of the guys arguing for FP16 basically predicted Pascal in that chipset manufacturers would be looking at and following mobile trends for optimization.

>MS couldn't just accept they dropped the ball, and now are going to cut the generation in half forcing sony to kill the ps4 early, fucking up the hardware cycle

>>376379259
top meme

>>376379371
Yeah, on PC. Not on consoles. And it's clear that FP16 isn't a stagnant thing like you were implying, considering that people in the thread clearly noted that it had been improved on as well as being combined with FP32 for optimization.

>>376379427
went from virtual 5 year generations to the longer 360/ps3 generation, now a 4 year generation

it evens out. keeping the ball rolling is a perfect way to deal with dropping the ball.

>>376378926
PCMag estimated the Switch to cost $257 to build.

>>376379427
Gens don't need to be 8 years long, christ. Yes optimization gets better, but the power disparity becomes ridiculous. 4-5 years is a good amount for a refresh, and it keeps up with PC upgrade timelines.

>>376379736
Considering BotW looks better than the PS4 version of DQH, it's pretty clearly an optimization issue.

>>376379796
Nah, BotW has shitter texture, low-poly models

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>PSPro isn't selling like the PS4
>SURELY THAT MEANS THAT THE SCORPIO AND SWITCH WILL MAGICALLY PULL SALES OUT OF THEIR ASSES

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>>376375163
>Consoles that close to the floor

I hope you vacuum often, anon. Also , I love my pro too. Best 400$ decision of my life.

>>376379427
reminder that Xbox only exists to fuck over sony. Microsoft is the bear that is needed to weed out the snake.

>>376379796
>BOTW looking better than anything.

This is the kind of entertainment I come to these boards for.

>>376379662
that's a bad estimate given either model of the shield has better or more tech and are only $199

>>376380072
I do vacuum often and dust off my furniture my man.

>>376380202
Sony knocked Sega out, Microsoft teams up with Sega and delivers the Xbox.

Microsoft is best

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>>376363095
>Scorpio
>PS4 PRO
>SWITCH
>9th gen

This thread is hilarious from the get go

3DS won last gen then.

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>>376380202
>>376380514
>Microsoft is responsible for the cancer that is paying for online
>Microsoft is responsible for horrendous DLC practices that plagued 7th gen
>"S-S-SONY'S DA BAD GUISE THO"

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>>376377573
>Machine
>Splatoon 2 looks like 1
....you have to be fucking retarded

>>376363095
>retards legitimately think this is a different gen
KILL YOURSELVES

>>376375301
Who the fuck compared the PS2 and Xbox to the Wii? EVERYONE compared the Wii to the PS3 and Xbox360.

Fucking idiot

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>>376379912
>>376380261
Why do you niggas lie so much?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLqWz_z_uJo
DQH2 looks basically like Hyrule Warriors.

BotW looks better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wB2C7zAnmQ

>>376375163
If you really wanted a grey (gray however you want to spell it), why not just buy the red/blue Switch, then the grey joy-con?

>>376372546
>Power and performance is entirely irrelevant to iterations of generations.
This is what retards.

>>376381153
I don't want to get more joy-cons, if anything I would get the Pro controller, I highly doubt I will ever use the joy-cons outside of handheld mode, or 2 player mode and give someone the joy-cons as the second controller for MP games.

>>376380826
Sony stole credit cards

and sony charges you for online too.

>but but it's ok because sony has chink eye

fuck out of here with that shit autist logic

>>376363095
Scorpio and Pro aren't ninth gen.

sony has no shot next gen. Sites they bribed like Gamespot, Eurogaymer and IGN have almost zero influence this time around.

Sony tried their best to slander Nintendo and that shit failed. Switch still outselling ps4.

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>>376381698
>Sony stole credit cards

>>376381816
>he was born in 2010

>>376381872
Are you actually trying to say that Sony's fucking hack was them stealing fucking credit cards? Are you fucking retarded?

>>376380826
s-sony is muh friend

no you fucking retard. They want your money

>Sony charges you for Backwards compatibility
B-but it's okay
>sony charges you for online
b-but it's okay
>sony gives you shitty indy trash
b-but sony
>sony refuses to acknowledge the vita
I LOVE MY VITA
>sony asked for kikestarter money
and I gave it proudly, I love my massah

>>376381806
Sony and Microsoft are the only companies that didn't abandon their console this generation. Also Nintendo is not considered next generation. The Switch is two generations behind. The PS4 is outselling the Switch worldwide.

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>>376382047
A little fucking defensive are we? I didn't say anything about Sony being good, I'm just giving some reality to the fucking Microdrones acting like M$ is some kind of fucking savior

>>376382174
>I'm not a sonygro

>post sony's resident crackhead

>>376363095
>PS4 PRO
>gen 9th

wat

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Nintendo got BTFO so hard they had to retry this generation. And they did it with an underpowered tablet.

PS4 won the generation.

>>376382456
What are you talking about 3DS is winning this gen. Even beating PS4.

>>376382554
3DS won the generation you retard.

>>376383069
Handhelds don't count in the home console race...
Otherwise iPhone wins handsdown.

>>376383576
PC wins by selling 400 million a month.

Now move your goalpost.

>>376383453
http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/04/ps4-units-sold-date-sony/
>PS4: 60M since the end of 2013
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57301/nintendo-3ds-going-anywhere/index.html
>3DS: 66M since the start of 2011
PS4 will outsell the 3DS before the year is over

>>376363095
I can find many reasons to buy a scorpio over an Xbox one and a switch over a Wiiu but no worthwhile reasons to buy a pro over a ps4. Barely any games get support for it and they don't offer automatic downsampling or "boost mode" like the scorpio does. Digital foundry themselves said in their outlast 2 video that they're disappointed at this lack of support because even outlast 2 doesn't use checkerboarding or support downsampling at 1080p, something the scorpio will have built into its OS.

>>376383713

>counting ps4 SHIPPED

3ds has 70 Mil SHIPPED

Keep moving goalposts.

You're gonna need it after 2dsXL launches.

Ps4 has scorpio and switch problems to take care of.

>>376383943
>Ps4 has scorpio and switch problems to take care of.

This. Switch is already cutting ps4 sales in half. Can you imagine after Scorpio?
Wouldn't be shocked if sony only sells 3 mil from here to the end. Sony is an antique console now. No kid wants the old dusty weak console.

>>376381307
If you have a child, that child will be of a new generation regardless of whether or not that child is a complete and utter failure in comparison to all that you are and all that you have ever been at any point.

Generation in engineering has to do with iterations of production. Not performance or power.

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>>376383943
The only thing said is that it shipped 20M over the fiscal year, the 60M still says sold
And you seriously expect after years of the 3DS's sales stagnating even after several new revisions and models that a new model will just magically cause sales to skyrocket? The PS4 managed to catch up to the 3DS even with the thing being cheaper and having over 2 years worth of a head start
And what the fuck are you huffing that makes you think the Scorpio is magically gonna pull sales out of its ass when the Xbone and S couldn't?

>All these Xniggers pretending to be Nintenbros talking up the Cuckpio

Pls

>>376379736
>compares it to the PS4
>compares it to the Vita
>but interestingly enough refrains from comparing it to the PS3
Of course.

Why did people accept being charged for online play by the platform provider?

After the ps4's cockroach infestation I don't think anyone is gonna want anything sony in their houses again.

>>376384440
because sony did it before nintendo.
It's sony's fault Nintendo is doing it.


Blame sony.

>>376363095
PC sells more than all consoles combined.

>>376384768

Blame Microsoft.

>>376384768
No one should have accepted it on the PS4 either.
It was like a huge kick in the balls to PS3 owners. Right after the PS3's best year yet.
Especially with the incredibly weak launch lineup of the PS4.

Why the world did people move over to the PS4 and take PS+ deep into their behinds? Doing so benefited no one.

Switch
PSPRO
Scorpio

Switch will be as big as the Wii but not quite to their peak tho, if they continue this solid lineup they have the 9th gen on your own
Pokemon alone can save the Switch from its niche today
PSPRO will suffer trough the WiiU problem and will sell less as result
Scorpio will have mindblowing specs hindered by Micro$oft's kikery

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>People buying a Scorpio with no games

Christ, Scorpio's gonna be what breaks Microsoft's interest in console gaming

Holy shit this Sonybro cocksucking
9th gen will be another PS3 like era until you make great games on the PSPRO
Is this what happens when you lost the 7th gen to Wii and DS by a light year?
Yeah you won the console war by a mile but PSVita is such a joke no western devs want to touch it and lost again to 3DS by a landslide

>>376384440
You personally only have the choice of not buying in or buying in, there are a vast majority of casual core consumers that don't mind paying, and for Sony's sake there are a large group of consumers who like the idea of paying. Because of this large group of consumers you can't do anything to stop paid online, especially after you realise how cheap it is to run and how much money these companies get.

Here's a hint, it's more than what they get from third party royalties or first/second party game sales.

>>376385896
Hopefully, Microsoft pre Xbox actually released better games than Sony ever has.

>scorpio and pro
>9th gen
they are gonna be playing the same fucking shit as the base consoles and nothing more, 9th gen my ass

>>376363095

Switch is 7th gen though, it's the same power as a PS3.

Speaking of paid online. Microsoft still sucks and the Xbox One is still completely redundant by the existence of PCs.

But it's pretty weird how Microsoft are probably the ones the most likely to drop paid online. Since there is a rift between PC players who have free online and Xbox players who have to pay fr the exact same thing for no good reason.

Of course. I am sure Microsoft would rather try to force paid online onto windows or something if they could. They would never give up paid online after all.
It would still be totally crazy if Microsoft who started it all would end up being the ones without paid online.