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Why aren't you using the cutest Eight Leaves user right now?
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Yikes!
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Calvard when?
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Wonder how well she'd do against Rean.
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I'm using the coolest Eight Leaves user right now instead.
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Is Julia a well-rounder? Seems like final dungeon requires you to use everyone so not sure what to put on her. Worst case scenario i could just give her heals and earth walls but there will probably be someone else like Josette to handle that.
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>>376339894
Julia has a hidden bonus to chains. Her chained attacks will hit twice
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>cutted hair
Fuck you Japan for this trope. Fuck you!
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When can I attempt the second round of colosseum door?
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I love Schera!
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>>376340108
In Plane 6, there's a chest with a Tournament Invitation inside it. I think it was in the Oroboros Lab, but it could have been Leiston Fortress
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>>376340264
Oh okay, thanks. Maybe I'll get some main story done soon. Already played around 3-4 hours today and that was just different doors.
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>>376339567
She'd mop the floor with devil Rean, he's pretty weak. Rean couldn't even beat a holding back Lloyd.
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>>376340143
2>4>3>1 only objective answer
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>>376338134
So did she canonically beat Richard? Or was he holding back?
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>>376340143
I really don't like her with the short hair
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>>376340541
Correct
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>>376339550
in 8 years when hey go to another small country for two games after Erebonia instead of going into Calvard immediately.
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>>376340914
Good point, you're right

Arteria when?
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>>376340857
She looks more elegant with short hair but they both look good imo
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>>376341260
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>>376338134
>playing easymode by using literally invincible characters
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>>376341275
>She has a better steal than Josette
Is there any one thing Josette is good at besides being remote?
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>>376341497
Or is she?
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>>376341523
Being cucked.
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Is this any good?
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Impossibru
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>>376341536
Come on anon it would be absurd having an invicible character lose fights because she was holding back or some other dumb reason
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>>376340525

It's kinda sad how weak Class VII really is. I'd bet Estelle would beat'em too.
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>>376341632
Not that version.
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>>376341523
Being sexy as fuck

also her stampede craft is useful for def down
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>>376341632
JP version is. Western version has terrible localisation and butchered battle system.
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>>376341632
literal machine translation, the localization ruined the PSP games apparently, don't bother
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>>376341721
To be fair, only Rean, Laura, Millium and Fie were true fighters. Emma, Jusis and Gaius are the next capable ones but they aren't particularly invested in it. Elliot and Machias are basically civilians.
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>>376341721
The only people worth anything in Class VII is Laura, Fie, Rean, and maybe Millium.
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>>376342245
>The only people is
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>>376338134
Because I'm replaying the first and still need to play the second.
I'll be leaving before I get spoiled now.
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>>376342373
get back to sperging about nobles, Machias
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>>376342452
Estelle and Joshua die at the end of SC
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Is the amount of zemurian ore limited to 4 per playthrough?
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Y'all think we'll be getting the Crosbell games?
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>>376342716
Yes.
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>>376342716
maybe in another 5 years
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Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention while going through the moon door with Mary and the orphans. Why did the save menu label the area as the Illusion World (or something to that effect, I accidentally overwrote the save already)? The events with the dragon seemed real enough, save for the stone somehow appearing in her pocket after falling which I'd chalked up to the dragon's doing.
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>>376339679
How many times do you think his katana was folded?
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>>376342716
Not a chance, just start learning moon now
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>>376339679
>>376342936
Is it just me or does he have really smug voice during his second s-break
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>>376342716
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>>376343160
Are you surprised considering how sexy he is and how he has a pet that will do anything he wants.
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>>376339567
She'd probably beat Rean handily unless he goes full oni mode, and I don't know if Rean would win even then. He would need his stupid gundam.

>>376341721
It's sort of depressing that you go from a powerhouse group in Sky to the weaklings in Cold Steel. People make fun of the "holding back" trope, but it's much more egregious in Cold Steel. At least in Sky, you get to the point where your party can evenly match Ouroboros. So when you win a fight, you actually won plotwise as well.

Even if you ignore all the people who team up with you in Sky, Estelle started out far stronger than most in Class VII. Not to mention Joshua who's an Enforcer.
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>>376338134
I'm not far in.

I just experienced Tita's first moon cycle.
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So is kevin the actual edgy dude?
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Selnate is hot
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>>376344587
psssht nothing personnel
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>>376344620
She kinda looks like me
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>>376344747
Are you hot?
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Why did C-ranks like Schera and Agate get fancy titles whereas Toval got shit?
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>>376344587
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>>376344789
What nickname would you pick for him?
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Halle to the King.
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>>376341632
Only if you can read moon. These games have a unique and comfy setting, even if the battle system is mediocre.

The Makoto Shinkai intros for the Gagharv trilogy are pretty good too, especially IV's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLKzBF18uJM
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>>376344882
Wait, that's Halle? The girl from the Gambler Jack books?

I was under the impression she dressed in a more defined and elegant fashion? Maybe she dropped it after she found out the truth and made peace with Jack?
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>>376338134
i want TO MAKE LOVE TO ANELACE AND GIVE HER A LOT OF CUTE GIFTS

I WANT TO FIGHT AGAINST HER, END IN A DRAW AND THEN MAKE LOVE SINCE WE ARE BOTH STRONG AND WE RESPECT EACH OTHER
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>>376345093
Me too anon
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>>376341523
she excells at being bad
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>>376341523
Hats, I guess? She has the best hat in the game. That's something.
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>>376344863
Fast arts guy
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>>376345093
I want to lick all of her ice cream
and then lick her face
and then remove her armor plates and lick what's underneath them also
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>>376345619
top cap
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>>376345779
lewd
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>>376345093
Keep training bro.
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>>376338134
How does the story telling work in this one?
I see that people keep talking about "mone cycle" or something
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>>376345784
AUPAC
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>>376342716
With the Zero fan translation that's a thing, but after that you should never step in another thread until Ao comes out.
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>>376345619
She does have a nice hat at least.
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>>376346024
The entire story takes place within one very large dungeon, the dungeon has moon, star and sun doors which are playable segments from a characters past.
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>>376346102
>check forum
>we'll release in december 2016
>I'm taking over because the guy that said that abandoned you
>silence since then
reeee
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>>376340783
She probably did, but at the time she has been training like an absolute madman ever since naming Estelle her rival while Richard has been running from his military past. He wouldn't have been at peak performance.

Either way, it does firmly establish for anyone who may not have received the message during SC that Anelace went and got gud.
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Did we actually see some S character not holding back?
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>>376344882
I want to lick her armpits.
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After like 50 rounds of draws I finally beat Gambler Jack.

Don't tell me he was holding back.
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>>376345093
>End in a draw
She'd embarrass you effortlessly and then you'd try to stammer out an excuse until you break out into tears, leaving her extremely uncomfortable
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>>376344587
Kevin is only edgy to people who deserve it.
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>>376338134
She's invincible.
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>>376347136
or is she?
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>>376346679
We see Staff Cassius not holding back
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>>376343634
>Estelle started out far stronger than most in Class VII.

Pretty funny joke.
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Can you feel it? The despair.
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>>376347374
Why did you post a picture of a pile of salt?
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>>376338134
That's not Rean

This whore can fuck off
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>Couldn't be arsed to finish SC
>Decided to start over
>Now stuck midway in FC
>3rd one released
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>>376347624
>Rean
>Cute
I know this won't be the last bait to be taken since kisekifags can't stop taking them but I can hope.
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What even is Lechter. He seems almost Campanella-esque
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>>376348270
He's the Campanella for Erebonia
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>>376340143
Young Aina looks pretty neat too, like if Elnan were a girl. That Moon Door is really nuts.

>>376344781
No, Anon is pale with red eyes.

>>376348270
The Fool's on another level of trolling and general villainy without any openings. Lechter's a smart jerk who can sword-fight and run espionage/talks for Osborne, but Kloe knows his weak spots.
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>Estelle is apparently in the Crossbell games

COME ON XSEED
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>>376348270
Some Osborne lackey or something. He shows up in Crossbell and Erobonia games too.
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>>376349531
never ever
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>>376349531
Ye
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>>376350098
>that art
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>>376348605
>No, Anon is pale with red eyes.
But what if he's a cute girl?
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>>376350214
I personally prefer it to Evo's.

It grows on your after you get used it. I also found it strange after i saw how Estelle and Joshua looked.
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>>376350384
Its better than Evos but its still kind of offputting
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>>376338134
That's not Rean.
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>>376350536
I think that's mostly because of how used we are to everyone's portraits in the original sky trilogy.

The new cast doesn't look as off putting since it's the first time we see them for example.
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>>376350681
ops forgot the example pic.
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Will the holding back meme end in Cold Steel 3? Or the being saved by X person?
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>>376350820
Of course not. In fact, the entire last act of CS3 will just be a boss rush. Each fight ends after exactly 10 real time minutes and they are unwinnable because each time a boss' health bar is depleted they hold back a little less.
After ten minutes of each fight a different ally shows up to help you. You do not participate in the fight. You continue with the party you do not like at all because they're a bunch of boring, flat, one dimensional little shits that have no fucking place in the story or goddamn established world instead of playing as any of the established characters you actually like from previous games as they defeat the bosses you couldn't.

Yeah I'm fucking mad about the Infernal Castle. 100% unadulterated bullshit.
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>>376350820
>Implying the holding back ever ends.
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>>376350820
It's been a meme since FC. Don't expect it to ever stop.
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>>376351606
>playing as any of the established characters you actually like from previous games as they defeat the bosses you couldn't.

To be fair, the whole point of new regions is to play with new characters, and a new cast.

You do get to play with Joshua and Estelle in Zero though.
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>abyss worms are a regular mob in third
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>>376352180
At least you don;t fight multiple at the same time.
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>>376352452
2 is a multiple
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>>376352180
>Earthquake
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>first fishing match is 5 rounds and took multiple tries
>next one is 10
you gotta be fucking kidding me.
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Balstar channel makes me want to stop playing
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>>376353315
I remember some anon saying the best strategy is using some bait to fish for salmon, then use the salmon to fish for a snake head that gives you 300 points.
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>>376353315
Last one is 15
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>>376353335
? That shit's like 4 rooms.
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>Time stops upon hearing Agate's coming over
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>>376354350
Its just so painfully unfun
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I've read in one of these threads that in the Crossbell games is revealed that Ouroboros is using the Guild to launder money for its operations

is this really true?
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I can't find the last Abyss boss, do I have to do something to get it to spawn?
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>>376354791
Use archive, i think he mentioned some extra detail about it.
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>>376354791
False
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>>376355875
>taking lines out of context
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>>376350820
No, this time Rean will be holding back so he doesn't just solo the missions for the new class.
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Has it been confirmed that Calvard is next after Cold Steel 3? I read somewhere that they'll do another "3rd" sort of inbetween game first.
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>>376339894
Julia gets retooled between SC and 3rd. In SC she was a somewhat bulky swordfighter who wasn't quite as strong as Zin/Agate/Mueller in exchange for better art lines and Estelle-tier ATS. In the 3rd, her bulk goes down to roughly that of Schera's -- but in return, she gains a great deal of ATS, the ability to attack twice during Chain Attacks, and the ability to cheat death with Mirageberg 2.

She's still a relatively mediocre party member but she can put in work if she needs to.
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>>376356665
Well, Cold Steel 1 & 2 were supposed to be one game...
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>>376354383
I'm not gonna say it
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>you will never cockblock your country's future ruler without knowing
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>>376338134
So am I stuck in this dungeon for the rest of the game or I am I going to leave this place and do some traveling around the world?
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>>376356787

I know early game 3rd she was a good buff bitch with attack orders. I imagine that is even more so if attack orders 2 upgrades to 50 str/spd
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i understood that reference
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>>376356997
You're stuck there. But the place recreates many of the locations you see in the games anyways, so it's like traveling the world already.
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>>376357192
In Evo her attack orders also have an AT advance.
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>>376357268
Corpse party right?
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>>376357268
>wasting their time shoehorning in memes instead of working

Awful.
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>>376357409
Does it upgrade to 50? It seems like it would be worthwhile if it does as my Olivier is gearing to reach 200 speed by the end of the game (160 at end of chapter 6) and just getting an extra 100 speed without having to wait for clock up ex seems so good
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>>376352174
I don't mind playing with new characters, I just wish that they'd been the temps instead of Class VII.
>trails of the fast arts
>toval is mc
>nothing gets done because sara/sharon/claire are too busy fighting among themselves and the only person going for toval's dick is olivert
>eventually this gets so pathetic that ein steps in and beats the game for him
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>>376357773
Evo sky uses the same combat system from Zero/Ao, so i think buffs stack, so maybe? I'm not completely sure, i just saw some gameplay here and there, but in Zero/Ao you could stack buffs and increase the % you got.
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>>376356658
I wouldn't even be mad at this, I want to see what it's like to hold back for once.
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>>376358190
>he never played FC
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>>376358283
I'm a console man so I can't play any of them outside of Cold Steel.
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Why is Rean surrounded by so many little sister type characters

Because he is a good Oni - chan

I'll show myself out.
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>>376358427
Even if you are a dumb phone poster, you could emulate it.
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>>376340143
2>1>4>3
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>>376358650
I'm too scared to pay for things on steam since my laptop is a piece of shit, that could barely run anything.
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>>376358767
>he doesn't know what Steam refunds are

Nevermind you're too stupid for this series and are beyond help.
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>>376358947
I know I can refund it but I don't want to go wasting my time with an install when it won't even run, money isn't really the issue.
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>>376358767
This shit will run on anything. It's basically a game from 2004.
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>>376358767
Just see what your laptop's specs are. The Trails in the Sky games can run on practically anything. The minimum required system specs were out of date in 2003.
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>>376359310

Infact the older the CPU the better almost just due to directx compatibility issues
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>>376359169
The game is old as fuck, it runs on 2004 stuff. Just how much of a fucking toaster is your PC?
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>>376359310
>>376359463
Ill admit I'm not a tech man, is it easier to run than danganronpa? Because that ran like shit on mine. I'm going to try emulate it and if it works well enough, then I'm going to but it off steam because I loved the shit out of Cold Steel.
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>>376359770
Yes the game was intended to run on toasters in the mid 2000's. Pretty much any PC from the last 10 years could run it.
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>>376359770
It should run better.
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>>376346102
fan translations never go anywhere and this one is no different.
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Why is Cold Steel so shit compared to Trails in the Sky?
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>ywn play FC for the first time ever again
>ywn get to meet all the characters for the first time ever again
>ywn explore Liberl region by region, not knowing what to expect next ever again
>ywn feel the continuity and familiarity of all the places you've been to in FC when revisiting them in SC ever again

Zero/Ao can't come soon enough.
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Praise be it actually runs, I never would have made it without you anons. Buying it now.
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>>376360669
Enjoy your comfy new game.
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>>376360669
Sweet, enjoy your Trails. You've got three whole games to enjoy if you end up liking it.

You said you played Cold Steel, right? The Sky games give you an interesting look into Prince Olivert's personality, since he's a playable character in them and all.
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>>376360669
You're still a fucking moron.
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>>376361007
I won't deny it.

>>376360891
>>376360795
When does the game actually take place in relation to coldsteel?
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>>376338134
>that split section in Chapter 3 when you're forced to use Josette

She is garbage, holy shit. I feel like Falcom should be giving me additional Mira and Sepith for every battle she's in.
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>>376361143
3 years prior in Liberl
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So that entire time during the second part of the first moon door, every time Dan and Russel said that Agate had potential and was 'fine' they meant as husbando material for Tita right?

Also, Rean was beaten to the Tita headpat years ago.
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>>376361290
Your forced to use her again in the final chapter

At least you can just turn her into a dedicated buff/earth wall bot.
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>>376361290

>I feel like Falcom should be giving me additional Mira and Sepith for every battle she's in.

It's funny you should say that, because her support ability is sepith drop +. It's pretty much all she's good for.

And I forgot what dropped it, but I got a pretty good weapon for her in the gold road. That plus titanic roar made her pretty useful for the silver road boss.
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>>376361425

Japan deserves a third nuclear bomb for this.
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Why is the reward for putting up with the fishing minigame complete garbage?
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>>376361572
They deserve a 4th on top of that for the fishing mini game.
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>>376361620
>Serial headpatter
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How the hell does Falcom manage to make such great tracks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTEA1HU7Wuc
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Who is the Grandmaster and why is she Towa?
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>>376362561
>implying Dorothy isn't the Grandmaster
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>>376362493
Local loli not so smug after Gnosis
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>>376362493

Ouroboros enforcer not so smug after being molested.
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>>376362493
>ywn be one of the old men that filled up her loli cunny with semen
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>>376362707
Not so smug after fighting one of the Aions as well.
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>>376362707
>>376362819

delet this
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I'm buying CS3 just to see these two again
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>>376363192
Agate is a predator pedophile
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>>376362991
>Implying Tita won't build her a new one in CS3
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Are we ever gonna see Anelace again?
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>>376363589
well she's related to the founder of Rean's sword style, so maybe
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>>376363589

She'll beat the shit out of Rean to prove she's the superior Eight Leaves student and then kidnap Altina and Millium to add to her cute collection.
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>>376363886
I'm tired of this "Anelace is stronger than Rean" meme.
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>>376363934
It's in her genes
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>>376363934
Anelace is actually the strongest person in the Kiseki universe
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>>376363985
If genetics had any merit Estelle would be strong instead of a useless bimbo.
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>>376361620
a sex session with anelace
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>>376363589
You'll see her when she gets head patted and added to the harem.
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>>376364167

You don't become truly strong in the Bright family until you grow a Cassius 'stache.
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What if Joshua isn't allowed to marry Estelle until he can beat Cassius 1v1?
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>TFW Estelle uses her father's S-craft from the 3rd when she shows up in Zero no kiseki

I like it.
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>first battle in Silver Road

Gee, thanks for letting me switch my equipment game.
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>>376364686
>He's playing a JRPG
>But he didn't think to set everything up BEFORE entering the 3rd plane
what a fucking pleb
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>>376363513
Honestly, if she did and it was on the levels of what Novartis could do then hell no. Because that will be some asspull considering what Tio had in Ao made from the ZCF.
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>>376363934

Implying she isn't. It's in her genes and she's able to beat Richard who is absolutely stronger than Rean.
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>>376365530
If the Ka-Fai genes are so good, why isn't her dad a powerhouse?
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>tfw Kurt shows up to slap some shit in Schera's moon door

He's alright for a jobber.
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Estelle calm down
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>>376364569
That's pretty fucking neat. Isn't she only a B-rank at that point?
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>Start the normal arena
>Get to the last battle
>Some giant flying robot thing
>Suddenly I realize something
>It's fucking Gilbert piloting it
FML
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Is OUR GUY Zane still the Thunder Kick God?
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>>376365857
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>>376365824
They only manifest every 2 generations.
Thus Estelle is not a monster
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>>376366060
Thunder God Kick works as intended now sadly. Don't think they patched that out in SC though.
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>>376366060
Olivier is lying to you.
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>>376366060
>mfw I finished Kilika with Zin
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>>376366136
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>>376366238

Is she Tsundere towards him or what? I seriously can't tell with her.
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Analace is average as fuck as far as canon power levels go, about the same as Estelle. Olivert and Schera are above her.
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>>376366032
If what some anon said is true, i believe that she was made Rank B at the end.
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literally my wife
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>>376366562

So Richard is average then?
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>>376366060
Who's Zane anon? I don't think there's anyone named Zane.
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>>376366627

Your waifu a cute
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Looks like 3rd should end up selling about as much as SC did at the end of the day. Good to know there's a clear consistent demand out there for Trails games on steam.

Now the only question is whether or not the Cold Steel PC port can pull in the weeb crowd that buys games in larger numbers. If so, then the sky's the limit, and it's hard to see how Crossbell doesn't become more likely as well.
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WHY DOESN'T ANELACE USE A TACHI?
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>>376367206

>Persona-esque social links
>Waifu wars

Cold Steel will do just fine. Heck we should all be hoping the weeb crowd buys it. They are very large in number.
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>>376367316
not cute
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>>376366637

Big autistic kiseki powerlevel post

Near omnipotent: Azure Demiourgos
SSSS: Arianrhod, Ein Selnate, McBurn ,Georg Weissmann (Aureole)
SSS: Cassius Bright (with sword), Baldur Orlando, Rutger Claussell
SS: Leonhardt, Arios MacLaine, Sigmund Orlando, Victor S. Arseid
S: Cassius Bright (stick)
A+: Kevin Graham, Rufina Argent, Mariabell Crois
A: Walter, Kilika Rouran, Shirley Orlando, Rixia Mao, Zin Vathek, Bleublanc, Luciola, Renne Hayworth, Wazy Hemisphere, Duvalie, Xeno, Leonidas, Sharon Kreuger, Rufus Albarea
A-: Garcia Rossi, Kurt Nardin, Alex Dudley, Maximillian Cid, Phillipp Reinard, Mueller Vander, General Morgan, Joshua Bright, Randy Orlando, Alan Richard, Rean Schwarzer (ogre), Crow Armbrust, Neithardt, Vulcan, Sara Valestein, Claire Rieveldt
B+: Agate Crosner, Scherazard Harvey, Julia Schwarz, Ries Argent, Scarlet, Toval Randonneur, Olivert Reise Arnor
B: Estelle Bright, Anelace Elfead, Carna, Grant, Noel Seeker, Mireille, Lloyd Bannings, Laura S. Arseid, Fie Claussell, Rean Schwarzer, Angelica Rogner
B-: Klaudia von Auslese, Gaius Worzel, Jusis Albarea, Emma Millstein, Patrick T. Hyarms, Kanone Amalthea
C: Elie MacDowell, Tio Plato, Alisa Reinford, Machias Regnitz, Elliot Craig, Towa Herschel
C-: Josette Capua, Elise Schwarzer, Tita Russell, Alfin Reise Arnor, Gilbert
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>>376367354
>>376367206

I bet XSeed is banking on ironic weebs eating up Cold Steel for all of the waifus, Persona vibes, and anime.
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>>376367316

Different style of 8 leaves. One style doesn't even use swords.
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Just in case anyone doesn't know, there's a translated playthrough of Zero no Kiseki's prologue + a bit of chapter 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yhmVcOxWK0

He stopped there because he started working with the translation team for the fan translation i think.
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>>376367530

She beats him in the Star door.
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>>376367682

And the SSS "beats" Arianrhod. Doesn't change her power level.
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>>376367530

Will Sen 3 be when Thomas stops holding back?
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>>376367682
Was he holding back/rusty from not training/sick with aids?
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>>376367682
Are people playing on Easy? I got destroyed in that Star Door.
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>The last moon door is wasted on these fucking orphanage kids

GOD DAMN.
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>>376367830

I wouldn't be surprised if this guy can tear people in half by warping part of them into pocket dimensions or something like that.
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>>376367682
Is it possible to lose that fight or does it just end in a game over? If it's the former the result of the fight would basically be non canonical like Julia vs Vander.
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>>376367739
I'd always just thought everybody would just assume mask cracking Arianrhod is the canon outcome.
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>>376366709
It's the martial artist from two first games who was killed by his twin brother, Zyn(Zane's actual birth name is Zin but he used Zane to avoid confusion) who couldn't master the true form of dragon god kick and grew jealous of his brother's success in taking out million soldier armies and being on familiar terms with Richard, who Zyn is gay for.
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>>376365530
>This Richard is strong meme
He's an excellent tactician but I don't think anyone's ever really called him an exceptional fighter.
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>>376368026
>Talking shit about the orphans

angry_kloe.jpg
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>>376368149
He literally holds off the Reverie on his own until his shitty sword breaks, he's clearly plenty experienced.
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>>376368007

>on Easy?

No. Just use petal dance and nuke him with S-Crafts.
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what is Ries supposed to do? i'm near the end of chapter 5 and i still have no idea what quartz to put on her. I've only been using her for holy blessing
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So since Falcom is handling the anime cliches badly in CS, when is Celine going to become a catgirl and secure her spot as best girl?
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>yfw he doesn't hold back
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>>376368623
So why couldn't Renne perceive how strong he was?
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>>376363934
>meme
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>>376368586

What if Celine becomes a catgirl and NTRs Emma?
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>>376367530
>B: Fie
A tier Shirley is the true Jaegar waifu.
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>>376368689
Eight Leaves's Void form.
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How do I open sun door 5?
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>>376369071
by killing yourself irl
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>>376367530
Shouldn't Loewe be a little higher than that? Joshua himself points out that Loewe is one of the deadliest they have, if not THE deadliest member.

Or was he only referring to enforcers, and not taking into account Arianrhod?
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>>376339679
>Blonde hair
>Blue Eyes
>Two first names
>Samurai sword

like pottery
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>>376368484
>shitty ass nippon steel breaks

Weebs eternally BTFO
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>>376369192

It seems about right. Anything higher than Loewe is pretty much inhuman.
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>>376369181
Thanks not sure why I didn't think of that.
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Josette is so much cuter than that airhead Estelle I don't get why Joshua doesn't just go with her
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>>376338134
which is the best in this series? I have the legend of heroes: trails in the sky. yet to play tho
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>>376369528

3rd is the best.
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>>376367530
Is Victor weaker than McBurn if we never saw the outcome of that fight?
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>mfw the 8x Abyss Worm sidequest in chapter 8

fuck this noise
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>>376368007
Finally beat Richard on hard.
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>>376369192
Loewe had the potential to get higher than that but he was killed early.
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>>376368623
>claims he's not holding back
>not using a sword
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>>376369517

Get off the orbal net, Capua.
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>>376369601

Victor himself says he's weaker.
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>>376369517
Get off the orbal net and go back to feeding me sepith and items with remote ability you useless bimbo.
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>>376369618

Just focus on one at a time. They only start shitting earthquakes everywhere once they've taken damage.
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>>376369192
Its ok because Arianhord stablish that Leonhardt was still growing and one day he could replace her but canonically she trained and beat multiple times. He had the potential, thats what everyone said. Ein is a living legend saying she can match Arianhord and McBurn is said to be close to them as well.
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>>376369618
Clock down every single one of them and speed everyone up, after that's done, focus on killing a single one, they don't use earthquake unless they get hurt.
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>Game forces you to use shit characters for story progression.

No one gives a shit about Josette and Analace.

And all the fucking menuing to get these faggots geared,
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>>376369673
He's not holding back with his current weapon of choice. Plus, if he started using the sword again after years of training with a staff, he should be fairly rusty.
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>>376369528
SC is the best
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>>376369784

the thing is, I'm very handicapped with my current party, both Kloe and Kevin are out doing their business, so I'm relying on Death Scream and Joshua's Black Fang to end shit fast.

But oh well, it's alright, I'll skip this one.
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>>376369673
Holding back as an staff user, you know that there is an star door explained why he abandoned the path of sword completely.

Feels funny how Laura is so autistic about that when other character prove to be really strong without follow some sort of moral code or path of swordmarship strickly.
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Is it worth bringing both Estelle and Josette along for the bantz if they have any?
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>>376369926
>he didn't get Jinu
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>>376370054

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_KEFbyUSUM
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>>376370153

As far as I can tell none of the characters have any special chatter if they aren't forced into your party. It's just generic shit like "haha." or "oh no"
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>>376370153

Nothing can redeem bringing Josette into your party when her remote ability is giving you extra Sepith.
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>>376369926
>>376370196
>he didn't upgrade Jinu
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>>376370258
Well Renne & Cassius dialogue is pretty unique and this series is known to have special multi character dialogue in some places (SC if you bring both Mueller and Olivier)
So I wouldn't be surprised if they had some
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>>376370348

idc she is gay.
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>>376370196
>tfw my name is kevin

This hit too close to home.
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>>376342245
Wrong. Jusis have the best buffs and CC
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>Finally I don't have to play as Estelle.
>Unlock Estelle.
>never gonna use this bitch
>"Haha I want in on the group and you can't say no."
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Agate and Erika fist-fighting on top of Orbal Gear when?
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>mfw I just realized that Agate is pronounced as ''Ahgato'' in japanese

I've been wrong for so many years now
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cutie

estelle "not so" bright
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Holy hell why the fuck these game have to had such complex moonrunes? I can do Dragon Quest and even Final Fantasy but this shit? I will never gonna plat the Crosbell arc aren´t I?
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>>376371290
I thought it was ah-gaught-tey
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>>376371137
t. jossete "the only useful shit i do is give my team sepiths" Capua
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>>376371137
>Finally I don't have to play as Estelle.
>Not wanting to play as Estelle
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>>376371461
Estelle has a decent rack
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>>376371461
Estelle is your typical shonen protagonist. She is book dumb, hotblooded, spunky and friendly, she just happen to be a girl.
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this fucking woman
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>>376365853
That Door reveals him to not be a jobber when he's not getting ambushed by Ouroboros.

>>376366431
She wouldn't deny he's attractive and a good partner, but she's all business after seeing how Walter and her late father turned out. Maybe they'll hook up for reals in Calvard.

>>376371761
>Dan watches her success dance
>sighing internally
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>>376371552

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWBrLDZvteU&t=19:29
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>>376371719
>almost
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>>376371461
>>376371710
But a great butt
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>>376372147
MOU IKKAI
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>>376357986
Can't Ein go for his dick? She pretty much owns it already
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in the cassius fight, how many characters of your choice can you pick? 3 + kevin? as soon as i knew you could fight him, i really wanted to do it with richard, cid and julia. too bad cid is not usable apparently
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>>376372357
Richard and Kevin are the only mandatory characters for it.
>>
living the dream
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>>376372540
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>>376372147
I WILL
RUN NO MORE
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>>376372115
>Olivier's voice

I like it
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>tfw estelle and joshua door and mueller and olivier door
man this game is fucking great
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>>376338134
What game? Reminds me of FF Tactics
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does it change anything if i win or lose as agate vs the orbal gear? i have a feeling im supposed to lose to get the orbal gear instead of winning and ending up destroying it.
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>>376371512
Is this the 4 months of moon anon from yesterday? Because those are babby tier compared to something like Zero. The moment you opened up an issue of the Crossbell times and if you can't read that then come back when you have studied more. Because these games are about the small details and understanding simple character banter or mission objectives isn't going to cut it.
>>
shazam
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>>376373527
you have to win those fights, its a game over if you lose them, or at least the second battle is.
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>>376373592
Not the same anon but kinda in the same situation as him.
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>>376373309
Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky The 3rd
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>>376367530
Most of the list seems about right though I would say Estelle and Anelace by Crossbell would probably be stronger than Laura/Fie/Normal Rean. And I'm skeptical about Oni Rean, Crow, and Vulcan being that high. I know Rean in particular gets a lot of debate on whether he can match up with people like Mueller or Joshua.
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>>376373592
Heh, i remember watching nips playing crossbell in nico live streaming and he keep asking his audience about kanjis he can't read.
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>>376371290
The actual pronounciation is just agate though&
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>>376373527
You don't have to win the first one. Not sure about the second one.

But do you really want to have Erika be all smug about the orbal gear beating Agate?
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>>376374138
well she turns me on honestly so
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>>376343634
>Estelle started out far stronger than most in Class VII
At the start? Fuck no, the whole point is her journey.

Estelle at the start is certainly not stronger than Laura or Fie, and would probably have lost to Rean and Millium due to lack of proper training

Joshua would wipe all of them though.
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>it's a "you're forced to use Josette" episode
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How many kids Joshua and Estelle are gonna have?
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>>376374490

Earth wall duty.
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>>376374754
dont you mean estelle and i
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>>376374853
*teleports behind you*
>>
Can you return to Gehenna later? Some drops I might want to farm later.
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>>376374885
*blocks attack*
Heh

long time no see, joshua
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>>376374490
I'm still in Chapter 6. I didn't expected for this to happen....
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>>376374490
at least her craft that lowers the defense was somewhat useful
>>376374754
at least 2? just because of that memory with estelle parents discusing having another child in SC... now i am sad.
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>>376374937

Not strictly, but the enemies there are also in the abyss.
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>>376375045
Ah cool that works for me then.
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>>376374998
>TFW the dream continues starts to play
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IT'S OVER!

God I feel so fucking empty right now
>>
I want Lucy to dominate me!
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>>376375352
is kind of funy how this game makes me want to replay the trilogy again just because of how much i love the characters instead of because its different and i am only at chapter 5 of the 3rd, good thing i didn't got all the achievments in SC.
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>This door where you play as the Ruan delinquents.

oh god not having a combat orbment in the trails world sucks
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>>376375676
That fucking door makes you appreciate it so much
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>>376375676
On the other hand, these assholes are fucking hardcore. Estelle and Joshua got a babby mode junior bracer exam in comparison.
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>>376370054
>so I'm relying on Death Scream and Joshua's Black Fang to end shit fast.

Did you even read what you replied too? Death Scream and Black Fang are the worst possible things to use in that fight.
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>>376375630
I want Renne to dominate me
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>>376376282
It's fucking Agate training camp time!
We're gonna have some in CS3
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>>376363934
She's invincible though.

>>376365853
>the job squad will never be playable besides anelace, a short cameo quest, and shitty mobile games
i guess it's better than the cold steel "everyone needs to be playable except olivert" mentality, but by how much
i wish they had a door like those raven faggots
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mistakes were made
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>>376376823
Heavy Blade gonna teach Kurt some of those Liberl crafts, not just the Vander stuff

>>376376873
At least you get to play Kurt in SC Chapter 8, easy as the Jenis liberation is. Carna would play rather close to Olivier without Arts and Grant's just there.
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>that estelle and joshua door
These are manly tears, i swear
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>>376376995
awww that's cute. I want a Renne statue too.
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>>376373926
>>376367530
I would move Mueller and Joshua up a tier. I don't see Mueller flat out losing to anyone in that tier, and Joshua can match most of them or win if he has his batman time.
>>
Julia beat that nerd Mueller in the arena. And then he was like, "oh, that was unexpected" and they went back to the locker room and banged (or at least should've.)
>>
is there a list of door locations?
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>>376376823
Heavy Blade gonna teach Kurt some of those Liberl crafts, not just the Vander stuff

>>376376873
At least you get to play Kurt in SC Chapter 8, easy as the Jenis liberation is. Carna would play rather close to Olivier without Arts and Grant's just there.

>>376377472
Julia can beat Mueller in Star Door 1 and he'll tell you he wasn't holding back, so who knows. I would move her into his tier wherever he sits.
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>>376338134
If Estelle hugged Rean would he stop being a mopey bitch about some fag that took his lunch money and then didn't do shit for 95% of the game?
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>>376377673
No she lost
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>>376360375
>ywn play this part again

Just end me desu senpai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rFsSjOlWP8
>>
Is it just me or is Tita much better now?
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>>376377993
She's actually pretty good this time around yeah.
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>>376377993
She was good in 1st, kinda meh in 2nd and now she's a beast
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What are some other good Falcom games? Only other game of theirs I've played is Ys Origin
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>>376377993
Tita started lifting
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>>376377993
One of the best party members in the game
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>>376376995

Faint/petrify are literally Satan
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>>376377993
She grew a bit taller.
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>>376338134
>TFW not sure if I should play 3rd on easy or normal.

Mostly because I am shit at setting up quartz
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>>376378428
You could probably bet easy with empty orbments
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>>376377993
In her orbal gear she gets a craft that knocks back enemies. You know how that demon in plane 5 hit you hard and knocked you back?

Same thing except you can use it on bosses and if Tita is fast enough some bosses will never be able to touch you.
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>>376368586
Honestly, she is great and the best tsundere, totally would prefer her to Alisa.
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>>376377796
Maybe, Lloyd and co literally described her like a sun that draws everyone towards her. Her influence could very well do it for him.
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>>376367530
Why does Weissmann get ranked so high when he got fucked up by a bunch of plebs in 3 different forms. Loewe only broke his cheat barrier.
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What does Kevin say during his spear of loa s craft? I can barely hear it because of the sound effects
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>finished The 3rd, feeling the urge for Crossbell more than ever
>since I've been learning moonrunes for almost 2 years now, I decided to try and Get Over the Barrier and try to play it
>aside from political positions that have like 6 fucking Kanji (which I'm just picking apart and logging away for later/looking them up on the kiseki wiki) I'm actually understanding shit fine

I SHALL
RUN NO MORE
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>>376379060
>not waiting for the superior HD PC version in english from xseed
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>>376370196
>This bitch shit talks Kevin behind his back the entirety of Chapter 4

No wonder Kevin doesn't want to fuck this ungrateful slut. He could do way better. He most likely HAS done way better.
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>>376379105
I'm emulating the PSP version since I can use the save on both PC and Vita.

I'll probably replay it as the Evo version down the line, too. I'm loving this shit.
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I HOLD IN MY HANDS THE CHALICE OF HEAVEN

MAY THE HOLIEST OF LIGHTS ACT AS OUR SHIELD

GRAAAAIL SPHEEEEREEEE
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>>376379060
rip, should've just played evo
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Let's see you brainless bimbos do this!
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I love these games but I absolutely suck at quartz management.
I think I have a decent setup but any time I look at what other people have at where I am they blow me out of the water.
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>>376378251
>Go into fight
>Oh they have deathblow/petrify
>Lose fight
>Load from previous save
>Equip anti petrify/deathblow
>Restart fight

I honestly find deathblow completely retarded and unnecessary. It's even more stupid they decided to add 'DEATH' to the turn-counter.
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Is it even possible to make Josette remotely good?

>>376379558
Read the tutorial, it's just addition.
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>>376378135
What exactly are you craving? The only non-Ys/-Trails game of theirs on PC in English right now is Xanadu Next, which has a more subtle and light story than Ys or Trails and has lots of fun dungeon-crawling to boot.

>>376379558
I really wish we could get a mod or new feature just for saving and loading orbment loadouts per character.
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>>376379491
Don't care all you need in this game is clock up EX and earth wall lol.
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>>376378996
Echoing this. What does Kevin say? Specifically before the 'alone and ignorant part'.
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>>376378251
>the three enforcer fight
>walter fainting everyone
>luci's aoe sleep
>blueblanc throwing out every annoying status possible

Fuck that fight
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>>376378996
The closest I can get is:

"May a thousand thorns adorn your flesh with despair. May you be engulfed, ignorant and alone.

STRIKE! UNHOLY SPEARS OF TIME!"
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>>376379843
Still easier than the Cassius fight desu
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>>376379621
Sounds neat, I'm also interested in the Ys series was looking at them and I might go with either Oath in Felghana or Ark of Napishtim
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>they implemented the ability to play FC on hard or nightmare without beating the game first
Haven't played since the PSP release, should I start on hard or nightmare? Looking to do a full trilogy run but don't know if nightmare right off the bat is such a smart idea, knowing falcom its probably not so much harder as it is just restarting fights til you get ideal RNG
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>>376379618
I think her only real use is her support benefits
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>>376379830
Im pretty sure that's it. I messed around with the sound settings to actually hear anything

The real question is what is Colonel Richard saying during his second S-craft
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>>376380145
Hard and nightmare aren't for people who is unfamiliar with the game.

You play those when you already know everything about the game, because you need to optimize everything, use the right items, get the right quartz and shit.
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>>376378785
I'd prefer any female that isn't Elise over Alisa
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Holy shit Erika is such a god damn bitch to everyone around her but Tita and Dan. I hope we get to witness the day Tita comes back home, Agate having Dragon Dived her now legal pussy and pumping a baby into her. The look of despair will be enough to make me come a 100 times over.
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Buy my arts.
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>>376380352
Too bad that won't happen because Tita will be having my babies.
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>>376380145
The bosses all become massive damage sponges in nightmare. Its really tedious and not fun.
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>>376380475
pic related

>>376380003
It might be worth trying Ys VI before Oath since the former restarted the series back in the mid-2000s while Oath vastly redeemed what Ark fails at while going well beyond expectations. Ys VI/Ark does great at world-building (collecting Tabulas), NPC dialogue, dungeon layouts, and fighting regular mobs while upgrading your swords to either move quicker or concentrate damage. And it's got excellent music and art design too, but the bosses really are a massive problem which Oath mostly avoids. Dash-jumping and more grind than usual also hurt things, but I think Ark's worth sticking with for its positives.

Make sure to give Ys I & II Chronicles+ a spin either before the 3D Ys titles or after. Since you've played Origin, you'll be able to put the lore from that game together with what you learn in Adol's first adventures. I & II are easy to get into so long as you pay attention to the bump system and talk to everyone in Barbados Port, then chat with Slaff to get a free short sword before leaving for the field.

>>376380145
FC on Hard's got only a few spikes which aren't rough, but SC on Hard and above really sucks because the Prologue final boss gives a certain white-haired swordsman a run for his money. 3rd seems to have better balance on Hard/NM, but I wouldn't risk it for a new playthrough.

>>376380352
All's forgiven if Agate brings her a bunch of live artifacts back from Erebonia.
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>>376380475
>Playing FC
>Tournament
>He and Anelace are voiced
>I wonder if they ever become important
The Liberl jobber squad can't catch a break. Other than be hard as steel and be calm as ocean waves, did he really have anything else?
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>>376380273
nah, normal is too easy in FC, but I kinda see nightmare as a new game+ difficulty, because even though the enemies don't scale, it still might be better on a run where you can carry over gear, as its just straight tedious at points.

Hard is like a happy balance with not insultingly easy but not anti fun hard
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>Easy
Laughable
>Normal
Too easy
>Hard
Actually pretty damn hard. Beatable and a nice challenge though. Won't leave you bored.
>Nightmare
Unfun. If you have autism and like repeating fights over and over again I suppose it can have some amusement I guess.
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>>376380650
he uses his S craft near the end of the schera door but i can't remember what he says, something about thunder or lightning.
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>>376380650
I believe he had a line for all of his crafts and S-craft when you use him at Jenis.
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>>376381005
Nothing really lasted all that long for me to even use most of his crafts.
>>376381005
I mean, what was even the point in voicing him
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>>376379491
If you had killed it, you'd have gotten the same as drop when using high loot %. Now you realise stealing is worthless and bench the tomboy.
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>Beat Kurt in the Looking Glass lab
>Remember Pater-Mater was floating around in the fifth plane.
>Bring Renne to it.
>Nothing happens.
>Say fuck it and warp back to base.
>Cutscene where Renne summons it to the Garden.

oh
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>>376381292
He's supposed to be one of Liberl's best bracers, right after Cassius. That's on top of him being able to use magic without orbments, something about eastern chi or whatever.

To be honest, he should've been playable in this. Would've been a better fit than Josette.
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>>376381368
we need the waifus tho
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>>376338134
Anelace is best girl, now I'm getting the fuck out of this thread.
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>Fighting three Enforcers at once
>Rules of this world mean they literally cannot hold back

How the fuck is everyone in 3rd so much stronger than before? Is Kevin just that OP?
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>>376381581
He's a dominion, he's as close as you get to another society like Ouroboros aside from a few handful of really tough guys here and there.
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>>376381581
You do know that your picture has 2 (former) enforcers, Kevin (church equivalent of an enforcer) and an Erebonian prince that graduated from a Military academy and has plenty of battle experience, right? It makes sense you would win.
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>>376381581
I just realised Phantasma is literally the bane of trailsverse's holding back
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>>376381781
Olivier shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as the others.
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>>376381781
On the other hand, you could also end up fighting with only Kevin and Joshua having to carry deadweights like Tita and Josette.
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>>376381581
do you get special dialogue if you bring kloe, zin or schera?
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>>376382140
>Tita
>Deadwight
You take that back!
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Who's the strongest member in your party in this game? It's either Kevin or Renne right? I guess Joshua could kill either one in their sleep but let's exclude that and say it's a straight up 1v1 with both aware of the other.
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>>376382321
Schera asks if Luci being here means that she's not dead. Luci basically tells her that this place isn't limited to life or death, and it's up to Schera to find out after she gets back to the real world.

Bleublanc just says he's glad to see Kloe, but nothing else. Remarks similar if you bring Olivier, although he also says he's happy to see BB.

Walter says he's happy to fight Zin again, and vice versa. Zin also tries to tell him about Kilika, but Walter already knows and asks Zin to pass on a message, pic related.
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>>376381368
Including Kurt over Josette, in addition to making the game substantially more fun when the character in question is forced, would also even out the game's gender balance. Not that that really matters for much since I haven't seen any male/female-only equipment in this game yet (but the ultimate gear usually is, from experience), but it makes my autism flare up just a little bit knowing that the possibility exists.

>>376382321
I brought Zin for this. He gets a little nod but nothing really worth mentioning.
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>>376382476
Richard is up there.
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>>376382140
>orbal gear Tita
>deadweight

Josette is the only actual deadweight in the party
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>>376382567
Anything special happen if you bring Estelle and Renne
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>>376382476
Kevin, Renne, Tita, Joshua, and Richard are all at the very top
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>>376377472
Joshua isn't that strong. In fact I'd say he's one of the weaker ones in that tier. Mueller is definitely nowhere near the level of the Enforcers.
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>>376377472
Joshua admits himself that after leaving Ouroboros and no longer being a broken tool, he's a lot weaker than his previous self.
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>>376382567
Walter's a bro. He just got fucked over by a crotchety old man so decided to blow off some steam. I like to think he'll just either die in a fight or live long enough to get bored of the whole enforcer thing and leave and open up his own small dojo in bumfuck nowhere.
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>>376379601

the skull buff is kind of fun bit of randomness tossed into fights occasionally since you have to dance around it.

bosses like Renne who just get Deathblow and the solution is >wear skull pendants in this fight are lame.
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>>376367530
Does Ein Selnate show up in the crossbell games? Why is she rated so high?
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>Give Richard a kitty suit with super glad belt
>Nearly 150 speed
>Clock up EX
>Luminous Divider for days
Starting to understand why everyone was hyping up how powerful he is.
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>>376382859
>bosses like Renne who just get Deathblow and the solution is >wear skull pendants in this fight are lame.
Kinda glad they avoided doing it in this game, only fight I had to do anything like that for was the doppelganger kevin fight.
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>>376382862
Kevin is pretty tough
Thomas can create pocket dimensions with a snap of a finger
Aidios knows what the very first Dominion can pull off.
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>>376382476
In terms of lore it's Kevin > Renne > everyone else.
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>>376382925
He is "nothin' personnel kid" in perfect form. Sleek black uniform, Katana, special technique, etc.

Both his S-crafts are chuuni as fuck.
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>>376382862
Dominion are ranked on their strength. Kevin is the sixth strongest and he's one of the most powerful characters in the series so far.
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>Give Joshua Super Glad Belt and another +CP gain item
>Any fight with 6+ enemies
>S-Craft restores enough CP to do another S-Craft

This feels dirty.
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So Kevin is the 5th Dominion. Which number is Ein and do we ever meet any of the others? And they all have special Stigma abilities like Kevin?
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>>376383147
>>376383002
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>>376383082
Sakura Morning Moon he just sounds smug as fuck.
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>>376383147
>Ein
>German for One
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>>376383147

Instructor Thomas in Cold Steel 1 & 2 is a Second Dominion.
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>>376382661

They say that Renne is welcome to come back whenever to Oroboros, and Walter offers to teach her the void fist.
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>>376383082
So he's Vergil?
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>>376383147
Isn't Barkhorn the 8?
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>>376382661
Haven't brought Estelle and haven't beaten with Renne, although pre-battle dialogue is >>376381581. Pretty much every Enforcer is excited as fuck over getting to fight against so many other Enforcers at once.
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>Trying to farm doppelgangers in the abyss for weapons
This finally pushed me to break out cheat engine for speed hacks this is beyond fucking tedious skipping a ton of turns till they transform.
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>>376383341

Yeah, and Wazy is 9th
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>>376383082
>>
Daily reminder that, by July 29th 2019 (5 years since release) Sky FC will have at least 400k sales on Steam alone. SC and 3rd should break 100k by then as well. You can expect those numbers from any Trails game within a similar length of time, and perhaps even more from games like Cold Steel 1 and Zero. There's no way crossbell is *not* going to get localized.
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>>376383125
I didn't know that. Thanks anon. Here's a photo of my dog
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>>376383574

Never ever never felt so good.
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>>376382925
Where do you get the Kitty Suit, I feel like I missed it somewhere?
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Is Luminous Divider the only one of Richard's Crafts with insane turnabout speed or is that for all of his crafts?
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>>376383409
wait, if they transform they can drop something else?
Also are you limited to 4 zemurian ore or can you get more?
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trails threads are comfy
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>>376383960
They're pretty nice when people don't take baits
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I don't get what Richard's new company is supposed to be. 'Research'? Is it like what the Intelligence Division was but not controlled by the military?
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>>376383756
The Poltergeists on the 5th plane are the only ones I know of that drop it. They drop a ton of gear, you don't get one from a chest anywhere.

>>376383890
Yeah check the loot, they will drop weapons for that character in most but not all cases you can't get them anywhere else. The ones in the abyss have very small drop tables and seem to be much more generous with the weapon drops. They are really good but not as good as the ultimate weapons.

>Also are you limited to 4 zemurian ore or can you get more?
Pretty sure there are only 4 like you were limited to 2 zemurian ore in SC.
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>>376384152
I've never let grimoires survive long enough to transform. Guess I'll try
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>Takes this fucking long for a monster chest to finally show up when they were all over the goddamn place in the other Sky and Cold Steel games.
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>>376384808
Holy shit they're actually in the game? I was saving before every red chest up until the end of chapter 3 because I finished SC not long ago and monsters pop out of every fucking one. I thought they were absent from this game.
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>>376384914
Thats the only one in the entire game.
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So when is the Zero fan translation coming out?
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>>376385116
Never. It will be dropped when Xseed announces their localization plans.
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eat shit, kanone
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>>376385923
>Josette got in over Kanone
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>>376385923
She actually probably creamed herself right then and there.

>>376386110
It is a damn shame. I felt that she really needed some fleshing out. SC did a good job but she needed a door about how she found Richard and why she's so attached to him.

Josette's inclusion told us literally NOTHING new about her and her entire character outside a few fights with Estelle was JOSHUA PLEASE NOTICE ME.
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Is there anyone who could hope to stop this man?

>>376386110
When are they just gonna fuck and get it over with.
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>>376386373
see
>>376338134

It's canon too
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>>376382476
Excluding gameplay, it's something like Kevin > Renne > Mueller/Joshua/Richard
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Anyone happen to know what Jormungandr is?
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>>376386373
H-HAYAI!!!

Don't they live together now at least?

>>376386453
You can lose that fight too so technically Richard being stronger than Anelace is canon as well.
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>>376386453
Well she is invincible

or is she?
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>>376386535
Olivier's weevee
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>>376386373
Olivier's personal weapon
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>>376386535
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>>376386610
Fuck, meant to respond to >>376386535 but >>376386604 beat me to that too. Time to kill myself. It's what I deserve for reading a door at the same time.
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Analace has got good taste
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>>376386604
>>376386610
Really strange it drops off an Anelace doppelganger.
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>>376386819
H-has Olivier already been with her?
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>>376386819
He gets around.
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>Richard shows up out of his sealing stone
>"Why am I wearing my uniform?"
>Olivier: "Maybe the Lord of Phantasma thought he's a lot sexier in it?"
>Anelace: "I wouldn't blame them if they thought that"
>Josette: "Same"
>Kloe blushes

All these girls want to ride the Colonel's blade.
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>>376386962
He's not the only sexy final boss desu
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>>376386962
To be fair, there's not many other eligible bachelors like Alan.

No, Kanone, go away
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>>376338134
>Thought Divine Blade was Cassius's title
>Turns out any other Eight Leaves master also gets the title
>Rean will eventually become a Divine Blade

Fucking disgusting.
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>>376386962
Richard is legit the hottest guy in the series so far, and that's not only appearance wise. He has the prestige of having been a colonel while also having that 'dark past he wants to put behind him' to give that flare that women love to fantasize over. He's smart, skilled with a sword, and honorable despite his attempt at a coup.

Really, if there's a woman who doesn't want him as a husband they're probably a lesbian. It's no wonder Kanone acts like a territorial dog to anyone who comes near him.
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>>376387543
Blondies once again are the prettiest guys
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>>376387302
The longer the series goes on the more it shits all over Cassius. They should have never introduced anyone stronger than Sword Cassius and DEFINITELY should have never introduced that Divine Blade title shit you mentioned. A simple man like Cassius being the most powerful character was one of the magical things about Sky.

Then you have shit like Zero introducing Samus Aran and Cold Steel - "Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series!"

I can't wait for Calvard where some Bruce Lee knock off asshole will join their ranks.
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>>376351606
>you expected to be able to beat McBurn

I'll give you B and Duvalie, but you're pushing it with Zephyrs top brass and that's because I've played Ao. McBurn, hell fucking no. Even SC's cast would have had real problems since McBurn has no personal connection like Loewe and would not hold back like he did.
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>General Morgan uses a halberd.
>>
>Kevin/Ries
>Mueller/Julia
>Zin/Kilika
>Agate/Tita
>Kloe/Lechter
>Richard/Anelace
>Olivier/Schera
>Joshua/Estelle

>Josette

Please help curb my autism.
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>>376388024
>Richard
>With anyone but Kanone

Go step on a land mine you dumb whore.
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>>376388024
Guess that leaves Josette and Renne.
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>>376387681
Rufus is legit attractive, n-no homo.
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>>376387790
kys Cassiusfag. Angle Weissmann was already stronger then Sword Cassius.
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Ouroboros is bleeding members across FC/SC/3rd. I wonder if they recruited anyone new...
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>>376388326
B and Walter are still enforcers. Plus there's a bunch of enforcers oyu have not seen AND the rest of the Anguises. plus they get a new 3rd Anguis and enforcer in Ao
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>>376388229
The Albarea line is blessed with good looks
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>Faint lasts long enough that by the time someone recovers from it Richard is the only person left alive and in critical health.

hoo boy
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>>376388471
>they'll end up looking like their father when they are older
Fuck.
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>>376387681
>>376388471
>every good coldsteel guy is blonde
What did they mean by this? Patrick when?
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>>376388570
>Albareas razed Celdic and Duke got apprehended by Jusis
>Rogner steps out after Angelica fights with daddy
>Cayenne orchestrates the civil war
What the fuck did the Hyarms do again?
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>>376388802
Get removed due to Vita's limitations
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>>376388024
>Kloe/Lechter
no
>>
I wish there was a good place to farm dark blades.
I don't want to start the chapter 3 area until I have at least a decent amount of my party set up with their drops.
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>>376388558
Should be more worried about Rean inheriting Osborne's rugged looks
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>girl rejects you
>fuck her great great etc. grandmother while she gets cucked for all eternity
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>>376389321
>Liberl becomes retroactively tied to Erebonian loyalty
>By a bastard child
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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