ITT: Overrated shit

>>376321421
>random encounters every 30 seconds
like pretty much every game with random encounters?

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Basically Nocturne isn't the meme game but the people who say that Nocturne is a meme are the memes.

>>376321571
Pokemon at least had the decency to restrict random encounters to grass and caves.

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>>376321421
>30 seconds
Oh no, the horror.

>>376321763
>posts pic of anime sluts who please old men for money
>"oh fucking yeah, I showed him"

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>tfw the game forces gameplay on you every 30 seconds.

>>376321678
>JRPG for retards

Pokemon also let you brute force if you just fight every encounter with the first pokemon you start with. Anyone who things single player pokemon is an example of a good JRPG shouldn't share their opinion.

>>376322136
Where did I say Pokemon was good? Only that it did one thing better than Memeturne.

>>376321421
>>376322221
There's no RPG where you can walk around in an area for 30 full seconds and not run into an encounter.

Pokemon has retarded encounter rates in caves, and forced trainer battles. You're a fucking idiot.You probably haven't even fucking played SMT anyways that image is straight from google.

>>376322497
In RPGs where you can see the enemies on screen you can just run around them/avoid them, and you can use repels in Pokemon.

>Jayce
>Straight Male

>>376322612
>wanting to avoid random encounters
enjoy being underleveled, fag

why would you want to avoid actual gameplay anyways?

>>376322757
Because turn based is trash and the epitome of unfun. It's as engaging as a DVD menu.

>>376322612
If you want to skip all the battles that badly why even play a JRPG? What kind of stupid motherfucker goes out of their way to play an RPG then complain you can't skip 60% of the gameplay?

Watch a playlist of all the cutscenes and the ending then.

You just dont like dungeon crawlers

>>376322909
So why the fuck are you playing it? Nobodies forcing you

>when the game makes you play it instead of showing you a cutscene

:(

>>376322950
Because most of the battles are just filler to pad out the game artificially, the only thing required are mandatory battles and bosses.

>>376323134
To call out faggots that pretend turn based is good.

>>376322909
>This JRPG sucks because I hate JRPGs in general
I know this probably isn't the same guy but you have to be mentally handicapped to search out a game in a genre you don't like, then proceed to play it and complain.

>>376321421
Stop making the same thread you autist.

>>376321421
Just buy anti-detection items you casual fuck.

>>376323254
So you're just one of those autistic fucks who hate that other people have fun with something you don't like?

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>>376322497
Here's a screenshot, then. Can make more. I'm playing this boring repetitive shit, but hopefully not for much longer.

>>376323286
When did I say I hate JRPGs? Not all JRPGs are turn based, and for the most part the shitty turn based combat is tolerated in other games.

>>376323254
>I'm going to play a game AND genre I don't like just so I can tell someone on the internet they shouldn't like it

This is genuine autism. What do people think is going to happen?
>This game you enjoyed sucks
>Wow I guess you're right

These stupid fucks have no self awareness.

>>376323394
Sorry.
>This Turnbased RPG* sucks because I hate Turnbased RPGs* in general

Grammatical errors still don't change how retarded OP is.

>>376323681
Name 5 good things about Nocturne to counter my 5 bad things.

>>376323525
See >>376323394

>>376323681
You seem to have trouble reading.

>>376323171
>You can test out new abilities as you get them so you aren't just surprised when you reach a boss and he rapes you
>You can negotiate with demons to get more to eventually fuse
>Higher drops of items and money for people who want to actually use the other features in the game, such as, I dunno, shops?
>They become a breeze the second you outlevel the majority of your opponents
>Most fights can literally end Turn 1 the second you use things like Blight
>There are items to lower encounter rates and escape from fights

Can you memers just go back to /tesg/?

>>376323791
Why the fuck should I care? Realize that you're complaining that people shouldn't like a game that's 13 fucking years old, and in a genre that has multiple traits you don't like be default.

I'm not the pathetic retard wasting my time playing a game to prove a point to strangers.

>>376323856
why are you forcing yourself to play a game you dont enjoy? are you ok?

What's up with these turn-based shitposters? There's gotta be something better to post about than that.

>>376324061
Then what are you doing on /v/?

>>376323856
> turn based is trash and the epitome of unfun
> for the most part the shitty turn based combat is tolerated in other games

No. You're simply just a fucking idiot who doesn't know what he's trying to say.

>>376323791
The environments are aesthetically pleasing and intricate
The story is really interesting and explores a lot of concepts and its own setting very well
The music is varied and sets the stage very well in a variety of ways
Finding special key locations and items are hugely rewarding, as the bulk of the game's open space is very dangerous to fuck around in, and every speck of help is a boon
The gameplay is good, and you're a faggot

There's five things.

>>376321421
>he hasn't played SMT 1

If you think 30 seconds is bad you have no fucking idea

>>376324039
Or I can not deal with any of that cancer since no boss is even hard and grinding is the epitome of useless busywork filler.

>>376324091
See >>376323254

Turn based is what devs fall back on to use who can't make actual good combat systems. For example Bravely Default was an ARPG but the devs didn't know how to make a good ARPG so they just tacked on some generic turn based onto it and shipped it.

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>>376324169
>Say something inflammatory and uneducated on a subject
>People respond with negativity due to your lack of knowledge on the subject
>LMAO YOU IDIOTS ARE SO EASY TO TRIGGER LOL I'M SO INTELLIGENT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE SO MAD THAT YOU RESPONDED TO ME

Since 2008. Same circus, different clowns.

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>It's another OP doesn't like it, so neither should you episode

>>376324235
It's unfun, and at most is something you tolerate because it's what you have to put up with to go through the game. There will never be a turn based RPG system that reaches the same level fo actual engagement or fun as an Action RPG system does.

>>376324406
>getting this defensive about a crap game
Never change, /v/.

>>376324413
>>376324235

Samefag

>>376324413
I disagree.

>>376324496
>getting baited this hard

>>376324503
That doesn't even make any sense.

>>376324531
Ok, show me a turn based RPG that's as fun as a combat system like Nier Automata for example.

>>376324296
> For example Bravely Default was an ARPG but the devs didn't know how to make a good ARPG so they just tacked on some generic turn based onto it and shipped it.

All the better for it. The class skill combinations and links you can do with enough creativity, strategy, and manipulation are all fucking amazing in a turn-based sphere that a mediocre "Press A to Fireball" action RPG would never accomplish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK8wAcXb9ck

>>376324296
>To call out faggots that pretend turn based is good.
are you ok friend? people liking something you dont isnt that big of a deal you know, you dont have to play an entire game you hate just to try and pointlessly tell people they shouldnt enjoy a thing, that's like some don quichotte shit right there

>>376324582
Nocturne.

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>>376324248
The encounter rate in SMT1 would be totally tolerable if it wasn't such a fucking chore just to figure out which way your going. I rarely hope for remakes, but I hope SMT1 gets one at one point, there's a good game in there, but there's so much bullshit on top of it that it's hard to enjoy. I haven't played 2, but as far as I know it's pretty similar as far as gameplay goes.

>>376324582
>>376324496
>Asspained ledditor responding to his own posts

Never change, v.

>>376324582
>that's as fun as a combat system like Nier Automata

What do you find fun about Nier Automata?

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>>376324580
A guy opens a thread and replies to a shitpost and you think that of me? No. I AM THE ONE WHO BAITS!

>>376324625
BD is unfortunately even more press A to win than even the most braindead ARPG is.

>>376324646
And how is it fun?

>>376324707
Combat is fluid and combos feel fast and responsive, movement is smooth as is evasion and jumping to string into more combos, you always feel in control and like you are the one actually doing the things.

In a turn based game you are just picking a word from a menu, you never feel like you are the one doing the thing, you are just watching the thing happen.

>>376324886
reply to my post >>376324631

>>376324886
Demon fusion + slow leveling of demons force you to constantly update your party with new dudes. This means you're using new strategies throughout the game, instead of settling on one thing that works. This keeps you thinking all game long, and thinking is fun.

>>376324945
>>376324631
reply

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>>376324834
>>376324406
>samefagging from a Phone
>this desperate to keep the Thread alive

>>376324886
>BD is unfortunately even more press A to win than even the most braindead ARPG is.
But it's not. You need to put your skills together when you're in an actual fight to win, or you'll get wiped out by even basic bosses. The only exception being random encounters, but you can literally Auto your way through all of them, or turn them off entirely.

>Combat is fluid and combos feel fast and responsive, movement is smooth as is evasion and jumping to string into more combos, you always feel in control and like you are the one actually doing the things.

Wow, sounds a lot like Bravely Default--

>In a turn based game you are just picking a word from a menu, you never feel like you are the one doing the thing, you are just watching the thing happen.

So your complaint is that turn-based combat is turn-based combat? How the fuck are we supposed to suggest you something that doesn't match that criteria? Fuck off.

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>>376321881
>watch game intro
>it lasts 5 minutes
>game wants me to play after that

>>376324978
>and thinking is fun
It isn't when the execution is always the same press word from menu watch thing happen, you never feel in control. In ARPGs you do because you're reacting to things actually happening on the fly.

>>376324668
Getting through areas with NPC's is a nightmare as Well, especially in the cafe at the first mall you get to.

>>376325058
see>>376324707

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>>376324886
>Ok, show me a turn based RPG that's as fun as a combat system like Nier Automata for example.
>In a turn based game you are just picking a word from a menu, you never feel like you are the one doing the thing, you are just watching the thing happen.
>Ok, show me a turn-based RPG that's not a turn-based RPG

>>376323392
If you don't like the game after Ikebukuro and Nihilo you should just stop playing.

>>376325094
And through these detours, we reach the final irrefutable argument: fun is subjective.

>>376325058
>Wow, sounds a lot like Bravely Default--
No that sounds absolutely nothing like BD even remotely. Because for one you aren't moving around during combat, you aren't doing combos, dodges, jumps and aerial attacks. You are just picking word from a menu in BD with some of the most basic braindead turn based gameplay in existence.

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Nocturne combat
>assholes repeatedly casting the same debuffs and buffs over and over again
>meanwhile other assholes cast spells that cancel/negate thoughs buffs and debuffs
Wow sounds like fun, doesn't sound tedious at all.

>>376325168
Finished Ginza and currently in the labyrinth of Amala.

>>376325143
Your challenge was to show me a fun turn based system. I asked this fully knowing you couldn't because there simply isn't one, because as I said earlier turn based is unfun.

>>376325189
So in the end you're just a butthurt sonybro that dislikes Bravely by Default?

>>376321881
>the game forces on you
Exactly.

>>376325323
Fun is subjective, and you're objectively a cocksucker

>>376325262
>Beating Matador
>Not finish Ikebukuro
>lv24

How?

>>376325323
No, it's impossible because you will simply call anything we present "not fun." And there's nothing we can do about it.

Because, fun is subjective. I'll repeat this as many times as I need.

>>376325328
What does Sony have to do with anything? I brought up BD as an example of them settling for shitty turn based because the devs didn't know how to make a good ARPG system like they originally wanted it to as an example showing that turn based systems are a fall back option, not something that should be the intention to begin with.

I can't wait for faggots to start bringing up chess, pretending your shitty turn based RPGs are the same thing as chess.

>>376325323
>My opinion is LAW
>Heh...better luck next time..KID...
>my heart belongs to the darkness
>you fell for my trick..

>>376325435
Matador is in the sewers under Ginza, right before Ikebukuro.

>>376325189
So your complaint, still, is "Turn-based combat is an element of games with turn-based combat"

So you have literally no reason to continue arguing. You can simply say "I hate turn-based combat" and not make a Nocturne hate thread to bait people into responding to you. Especially when you requested something that is literally impossible otherwise. You can chain attacks together with ease and they fluidly link together. Inputs are extremely fast compared to many other turn-based games, and you can even multiply the speed of animations. You can easily set up evasive attacks and other counterattacks that run based on your evasion. Learning the strategies to manipulate battles in your favor is an inherent element to the game's makeup. The only "flaw", is your aversion to the fact that it's turn-based. I asked you what you liked about Nier Automata, and I gave you a turn-based game that is similar to Nier Automata. You have no leg to stand on at this point other than your own shitty opinion.

>>376325501
Huh?

Do you know what the title of that game refers to?

>>376325510
Sounds like something turn based kids would say. I mean sounds like something straight from an SMT game or Persona game.

>>376325262
Amala and Ginza sewers were shit. Once you hit Ikebukuro and the Thor fight, the story starts picking up a little by introducing the opposing sides. Also more frequent bosses.

>>376325501
>It sucks because the devs
So if the devs worked in a building with a Sony logo it'd be a perfect IP right? You're full of shit. If the system ever got a port you'd gobble it up like the cuck you are.

>>376325527
Matador should be beaten at 18 at most (for Uzume)

>>376325323
>Your challenge was to show me a fun turn based system.
Okay.
>I asked this fully knowing you couldn't because there simply isn't one
Well here's a suggestion--
>because as I said earlier turn based is unfun.

>Prove to me that apples taste good
>AHA, THIS APPLE TASTES LIKE SHIT, UNLIKE DELICIOUS ORANGES AND THEIR CITRUS GOODNESS
>Apples taste like shit inherently, as I hate apples. Therefore you Applefags are wasting my time. *Scruffs neckbeard, defogs glasses*

>>376325531
>and I gave you a turn-based game that is similar to Nier Automata.
No you did not because there isn't anything similar about them on the foundational level.

You aren't moving doing attack combos in BD, you aren't jumping and switching weapons on the fly, you aren't evading enemies in real time, you aren't even doing anything in real time in BD. Everything in BD is just you watching something play out instead of you being in control. Learning strategies for your favor is something every single RPG in existence does, ARPG or TBRPG alike, that isn't a plus in BDs favor, especially when BD is extremely braindead.

>>376325814
>food analogy

>>376321421
>Nocturne
>Overrated
>Implying anyone outside of 4chan has even touched
Anon the normies only care about Persona

>>376325865
I made an analogy based on an analogy for shitty comparisons.

>>376325550
Do you?

>>376325737
No, what the fuck does Sony have to do with anything? When did I even say anything about Sony? BD wasn't even made by Nintendo anyway so what's your point?

>>376325962
Yes, it refers to the two quite unique commands that make up the game's central gimmick.

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>>376325861
>you aren't even doing anything in real time
Shocking. A turn-based game doesn't function in real time. In other news, anon sucks cock better than his mother, and she has the proof!

>>376325814
Another food analogy huh.

I said it's unfun and I gave my reasoning why turn based is unfun compared to Action systems, I was then met with a "well fun is subjective" reply, and now a food analogy.

Turn based to Action based is not even really a subjective thing, Action is objectively better.

>>376326149
>Action is objectively better.
no

fun

is

subjective

>>376326058
A command stacking mechanic is not unique or special, even if you can choose when to to it.

>>376325962
You're shitting on BD and praising your other weeb game simply because of the console their on. To you, fun is decided by the logos that pop up before the game starts.

>>376326116
You seem to be missing the point, the fact that it isn't in real time means it's nothing alike, yet that idiot is seriously trying to say Bravely Default is like Nier Automata.

>>376326224
lol fuck off cuck im right your wrong now fuck off my thread if you arnet gonna contribute :punch:

>>376326258
It certainly is.

>>376326149
>Action is objectively better

If that is so the Raidou series would be the most popular of SMT. It even got a top-tier occultic Imperial Japan and good OST to support that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYPH6IAHRj0

Protip: it's not

>>376326224
There are quantifiable aspects of Action games that place them objectively better than turn based. There is no benefit to using turn based systems when you can use Action instead.

>>376325531
If you know exactly what he's doing, and he specifically said that he literally here to bait and shitpost, why are you giving a constructive argument?

>>376326149
Show me literally anything that proves action is objectively better than turn based. Oh wait, that's impossible and you're fucking retarded.

>>376321421
~30 seconds between encounters is actually pretty middle of the road for a JRPG. Dragon Quest 6 and Lost Odyssey wold be extremes in the high and low encounter rates respectively.

>>376326470
No, because, you see, fun is subjective.

>>376326319
>You're shitting on BD and praising your other weeb game simply because of the console their on
No I brought up BD as an example of a turn based game that started out as an ARPG but got turned into a turn based game because the devs didn't know how to make a good ARPG system, so they fell back onto a generic turn based system and slapped it on.

I said nothing about Sony or anything, and Nier Automata isn't even a Sony game and is also on PC, so I really have no fucking idea why you are trying to bring console war shit into a discussion that has nothing to do with that.

>>376321421
Play Persona 2 and stop bitching. Every 7 seconds or so you fight a pretty long encounter.

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ughhhhh bros we arent gonna let this happen rigth????? we have to shitpost in nier threads now wez CANT let this asshole op gety away with it!!!!!!!!

>>376326376
Radiant Historia, FF10 and FF13 say hi.

>>376321421
When all someone can say about Nocturne is "muh Matador", then you know that person didn't play the game or just watched his favorite numale youtuber play 5 seconds of it.

>>376326728
None of those are remotely anything like BD though. Except turns I guess.

>>376326382
Maybe because it has hacks who only know how to make turn based shit trying to make action but failing at it because they're shitty devs.

>>376326532
You can move, attack and dodge in real time. All three of these make it objectively better since you are factoring in your environment and positioning, and physically moving enemies at all times too.

>>376326813
FF13 lets you stack commands.
FF10 and Radiant Historia show you turn order and such too.

>>376326801
Matador is one of the most prominent things about this snoozefest, and I'll admit I haven't got very far. Been playing for 10 hours or so.

>>376326894
You said action is inherently better, that means even the shittiest action is better than turn-based

>>376321421
>Hard
It kinda is but if you make a good consistent team it shouldn't be a issue
>Random encounters
Get Piscata or however you spell it off the demon for 5k macca in floor 1 of Kalpas and spam the lower encounter rate shit even on hard if you are the level or above the areas average level you will get a drastically lower EC
>No story
It has story you sound like you're at Thor/Dante that is nowhere
>No incentive to advance
Cute that you need plot to advance. My inventive was to see the end and to fight more bosses/capture more demons.

All just sounds like some pseudo intellectual kiddie who thinks narrative means something that is meant to focus on gameplay is inherently good/better. Or a Personybro.

>>376326728
Gimmie some suggestions for turn based JRPGs like Mario&Luigi/Paper Mario and Lost Odyssey. By that I mean I want some user input during attacks to keep the player more involved. Bonus points if it has a good english dub like LO.

>>376327057
Even the shittest action game still requires more input from the player than average turn based.

>>376321421
Nah, it suffers from old mechanics like what you mentioned, but its still fun. Granted, I think normal is difficult enough. This boss though, kept getting unlucky, took me 6 hrs before I decided to grind to win. Curse resistant demons are not very abundant sadly.

>>376327069
Didn't mean to reply

>>376326990
But they're still nothing like BD. Why reach this hard? Turn order? All JRPGs that aren't older than dirt or pure ATB have that.

>>376326894
How do any of those things make action objectively better than turn based? Again, your opinion, you sperg

What RPGs without grinding exist? Out of curiosity.

I mean, if you fuck up and play improperly, it will kill your run and you have to start your save all over, like in fire emblem 7. Not like fe8 where you can grind until you're a high enough level to advance

>>376327069
Go play paper mario sticker star and leave the turn based games with depth to the adults.

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>Like action games because of the execution and fluid gameplay
>Like good turn based RPGs that make me think about decisions.
>Love fighting games/arena shooters as well for similar reasons combined.

Wow its almost like all these good games have different strong points and you can't ask they to be every genre at once.

>>376327484
Fe conquest off the top of my head.

>>376321421
But my bro.... Those things, the things that make it unpopular, are EXACTLY what make it good!!!

Outdated, shit game design, cryptic and unclear story and character development.... Simply splendid!!!!!!!!

The older, worse, and more unpopular something is.... The better it is. FACT.

>>376327484
>I mean, if you fuck up and play improperly, it will kill your run and you have to start your save all over
Romancing SaGa trilogy with its BR, if you just grind without making actual progress the game becomes unwinnable

>>376327528
It doesn't have to kiddie shit anon, I just like that type of combat. Lost Odyssey Disc 1 and parts of 3 and 4 are hard as nails.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1k9Z0QF9O0

>>376327678
>Outdated
No argument buzzword
>Shit game design
Nothing again
>Cryptic
Only the last dungeons last part
>Unclear story
Its clear as fuck you dumb shit
>Character development
Self insert as yourself and alignment based characters.

Also Nocturne isn't unpopular in fact its basically the most popular SMT game to date outside of Persona. If anything Strange Journey is closer to your description and even that is a good game but fuck its cryptic.

>Action
Mash square to win
>Turn based
Pick and choose from a wide range of commands that best suit the fight

>>376327927
>most popular

IV sold better. IV's game design is shittier though, fuck that game's Smirk

>>376328013
Why do people dislike that anyway? It sort of creates a choice to use it defensively or offensively.

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>>376327871
>Gross!
>OH BIG GROSS!
Jansen is a treasure. Shame that voice actor evidently didn't do jack shit after this.

>>376328089
Because it snowballs hard. Enemy get Smirk? Reload your save. You get Smirk? Call it a win. It's much crazier than getting an extra half turn or losing 1-2 turn

Apocalypse balance Smirk better though. It feels fine for the most part

>>376326601
Whatever retarded, I'm not taking your bait.

>>376328000
>mash square to win
You've never played an action game in your life.

Good action games require you to watch your enemy's movements so you can counter or dodge their attacks. You also have to factor in positioning, distance and the attack speeds of you and your opponent. Fail to do this, and you'll get slaughtered.

Most turn based games, on the other hand, are about grinding endlessly so that the RNG in combat is more in your favour.

>>376327678
Stop samefagging

And check my 4

>>376328282
Nothing he said in that post was wrong or bait. You're the one who tried to spin it as console warring.

>>376328253
The fact that you can also give the enemy smirk is pretty fucking dumb too with the way it snowballs. If you encounter a new enemy you might as well look it up instead of actually playing.

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>>376328428
I'll be taking that!

>>376328426
Name me 5 Action RPGs that can't be powered through by grinding.

>>376328467
Stop pretending you aren't him, fucking faggot. They need to bring IDs to /v/

>>376328426
>Good action games
>Most turn based games,
Here's where you out yourself as a retard and show why this thread is a waste of time
Pro-tip: genres have good AND bad games that don't utilize their systems well

WITNESS ME

>>376328723
MASAKA

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>>376328617
You're being unreasonable and calling things bait because you have no argument.

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>>376328676
He doesn't like the entire genre so it's even more pointless
>>376328723
That's nothing. My post will probably end in 25

>>376328785
You forgot to edit out the (You) newfag

>>376321421
ONE MORE GOD REJECTED

>>376328981
I was showing you that there was only a single (You), you dipshit.

>>376328547
It's true that you can make a lot of ARPGs easier by grinding, but the point I'm trying to make is that you don't NEED to.

Any skilled player can defeat every enemy in the game, bosses included, while disregarding the RPG elements as long as they master the core mechanics (blocking, parrying, dodging etc.).

You don't have that luxury in turn based games, where you have to micro manage to prepare for every single boss and be a certain level if you even hope to stand a chance against them.

>>376329272
You outted yourself, samefag

>>376329060
WE'LL SACRIFICE THE SONS OF HEAVEN

>>376329328
Yeah you do. There are plenty of RPG speedruns without a grinding section. If they don't grind, then grinding isn't needed.

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>>376329391
What did the anon with no reading comprehension mean by this?

>>376329328
>You don't have that luxury in turn based games
ever played Bravely Default?

>>376321421
Turn-based combat is fine, but random encounters are pure cancer

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>>376329456
easy

>>376329328
Stats? Mattering in an RPG? Perish the thought!

It sounds like you just want an action game, not an ARPG.

>>376329742
>m-merely pretending!

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>Local retard whines about a genre he hates yet still forces himself to play

What a world we live in.

>>376329638
This is why I like turn based game where you can actually see the enemies.

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>>376329901
>Implying this isn't the perfect thread for bait