Splinter Cell

>>376321098
Double agent PC version is buggy as shit and overall gutted because they outsourced it to the shitty chink studio while the devs of CT made the 6th gen console version which is like a completely different game.

>What about Conviction and Blacklist?

We don't talk about those.

>>376321098
Yes.

Xbox/ps2 version of Double Agent is awesome as fuck. It's like Chaos Theory in every way, with some extra things. I feel privileged to have played it while most people never will.

Conviction is just killkillkill everyone. Blacklist is a step in the right direction but guards are still way too easy to kill.

>>376322065
Whats the difference to the PC version?

>>376322340
literally different game

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>>376321098
>Is it true, that the franchise went to complete shit after this?
100%
CT is the absolute peak of the series
the old-gen version of Double Agent is actually great, while the new-gen version (PC/360/PS3) was a piece of shit
everything got worse from there

>>376322708
wow what a bummer. why did they change the story for the ps3/360/pc version?

>>376322340
You know how the PC/360/ps3 version (known officially as "version 1") is nothing like Chaos Theory? Well version 2 is just like CT in gameplay, with the light meter, sound meter, and controls. It also has a kickass tutorial level that you largely skip over in version 1. The PS2 version also has two extra levels. One where you rescue Sam's daughter from a terrorists in Washington, and another mission that's balls out crazy because Sam is on drugs and all the guards are walking on the ceiling and shit.

>>376322925
The story is basically the same between the versions. It's just that the gameplay is neutered as fuck in version 1. You can still play version 2 if you can find a download of the PS2 version and run it on an emulator.

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>>376323076
well fuck me. i guess i am emulating this game.

>>376321098
>Is there any new game on the horizon?

Well see at E3. It's a really big franchise of Ubisofts and e know Blacklist sold well, but we haven't heard anything about SC in a while. It's going to be either a new SC game or a new AC game.

reminder that the stealth genre is completely stagnant, and has been since thief. we still haven't gotten past vision cones, hearing AoEs lightbars.

>>376323560
Good luck finding it.

>>376323637
I feel like AC has a way greater chance of being revealed this year. Wasn't there a leak regarding the egypt setting or something?

>all these faggots in this thread shittalking based blacklist
you bitches don't know what's good.
ghosting through blacklist feels fucking great due to the way it rewards ghosting and the fact that it controls great.

>>376324325
Yeah, it was some real "We waz kangz" shit. Made me think those rumours that BLM infiltrated ubisoft were true.

>>376324553
It's literally too easy. You just go through arenas, connected by hallways or climbing sections where exposition is spouted at you on the radio. No alarms at all. You can blow up the first guys you find in the bangazhi level and the guys upstairs never hear it. Total bullshit. In CT, a room with 3 guards was dangerous as fuck. In Blacklist, you can mow down scores of soldiers effortlessly because of the health regen and OP weapons.

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I really fucking loved Blacklist. Conviction is worse, but still a fun game.

>>376325059
>health regen
Tbh in Blacklist it's easy as fuck to die, two three shots max. I think Mark & Execute, alongside the OP weapons and gadgets makes it easy.

But the main reason is that it was cleary made with lethality in mind. If CT had Blacklist's gunplay, it would be easy too.

>>376324553
>implying Panther isn't the best playstyle

Chaos Theory is honestly the best game ever made imo. Very little action, no seeing through walls, no tagging enemies. Just perfect, slow stealth.

Conviction is a decent action game but a bad stealth game. It's actually pretty fun if you hold down on the d-pad to put away your weapon and do the whole game unarmed. If you use weapons, tagging or sonar though it's boring as fuck.

Blacklist is fucking trash and I hate it. It's everything that is wrong with Ubisoft. They even pretended that they didn't want Michael Ironside as an actor because he can't do mo cap, but it's clearly because he doesn't want to play a psycho Jack Bauer terrorist hunter.

>>376325369
The guard AI feels way less smart in BL than it was in CT. In CT the guards will investigate shit like you would if it was midnight and you just heard weird noises outside your room. You can hear them talk about stuff a lot. In BL, guards are just patrolling or shooting. There's no real "investigate" state beyond them walking to a noise source. You can't lose them in shadows either because there's no lightbar and so you can never be fully hidden, doing stuff like shooting out all the lights in a room and then attacking everyone with your night vision on as they spray and pray.

They should really drop the see through walls googles. It makes the game too easy.

>>376326018
>he doesn't want to play a psycho Jack Bauer terrorist hunter.
Then why did he do Conviction?

>>376322065
>>376322340
og xbox > ps2, ps2 straight up looks worse and has less levels than og xbox's

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>>376323813
it's up and running, anon :)

I'm looking for a man named Dvorak.

>>376326018
>likes Conviction
>hates Blacklist
What did he mean by this?

>>376326407
He might have liked that it was a personal story. But more likely he wasn't aware until after recording how it had gotten. In interviews for the early games he says something like how he's glad to be part of a franchise that doesn't just have mindless killing. He starred in Turbo Kid though, so I'm not entirely sure how much he dislikes violence.

>>376326407
It was a mistake on his part. He hoped they would go back to regular Sam afterwards. But Conviction sold well and Ubisoft figured everybody loves 30 year old mass murderer Sam. Ironside had enough. I once saw a youtube video of him talking with a fan at a convention about why he didn't voice Sam in Blacklist. He didn't know he was being filmed and he told the fan he didn't like the direction they were taking Sam in. Ironside had this vision of Sam as being like an instrument that had been used too many times. In Blacklist, Sam was like this young, angry person who just wants kill and beat up everyone he meets.

>>376326765

say monkey

>>376326582
It has two more levels, actually. Also has the benefit of being emulatable, since no one ever made an xbox emulator (no point since the only game it had was Halo and that's been remade).

>>376321098
After the fourth SC the franchise became more action oriented than infiltration. It's harder to act like a ghost now.

>>376327009
One tries to be a mainstream action game with some stealth and succeeds, even though it's not what the fans want. The other tries to appeal to everyone and fails at everything. It's the most streamlined stealth shit ever.

>>376327284
og xbox is still better because:

-more lights that you can shoot
-more environment details
-bigger levels (an exemple would be CIA headquarter ----PS2 version cuts out an entire zone. Ps2 version also remove lots of rooms)
-fewer loading spots
-way better graphics (better textures, models, shader effects, night vision, thermal and electric filters are done very well)
-way better shadows (higher resolution shadows)
-way better lighting (frequent use of dynamic lighting, better color saturation, lights will frequently cast shadows from objects and characters, very well made torchlight effect, etc)
-way better black level (in the xbox version it's black where it's supposed to be a blackout so you will have to use night vision goggle, whereas in the ps2 it's simply darker, you don't even need night vision goggle at any point during the game)
-original level design (xbox oil platform vs ps2 oil platform)
-less slowdown
-more refined HUD

>>376326684
Really? I thought it would be either impossible to find, or that you would take days learning how to emulate and where to find games for PS2. Guess I underestimated you.

>>376327284
>>376327668

who in their right mind would play the inferior version of the old gen?

>>376321098
Double Agent is worthless unless you're playing the PS2/Xbox version.

Conviction somehow manages to be even worse.

Blacklist is better but after the last two games were shit, Ironside left, and Ubisoft marketed it as an action game, it flopped hard.

As many terrible decisions went into those three games though, I think the one that really irritates me the most was making them so over the top grim and depressing. The first three games were serious but they had a lot of levity to them too, there was some good banter in there between Sam and Grimsdottir as well as Lambert. After Double Agent, the series too itself way too seriously.

The Xbox Heug version of Double Agent was the last good game. The 360/PS3/PC version was the start of the decline.

>>376327668
You are talking about the first game?

>>376327159
>>376327162
You don't have to kill a single soul in Blacklist. But I do agree that Sam is a lot more aggressive.

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>>376327771
>Double Agent is worthless unless you're playing the Xbox version
FTFY

Nobody in their right mind would play multiplats on the PS2

>>376327696
>or that you would take days learning how to emulate and where to find games for PS2
What the fuck. Emulating is simple as all hell and you can torrent ps2 games. Most emulation sites also have direct iso downloads for the games their program can emulate.
Unless you thought he was a retard, of course

I actually like Blacklist
too bad about Iron sight tho

>>376327862
no I am talking about the original xbox version of Double Agent

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>>376321098
Yup.

Even though I've played and own all of the Splinter Cell series, Chaos theory just fucking nailed it to the wall.

Double Agent was a bugfest.
Conviction was pretty, but casual mode with that tagging thing - totally removed all reason for me to try to lure someone into the shadows to take them out, when I could just kill everyone in the room and not worry about a corpse finding another corpses body. It's also what I'd call the very last SC game, because without Michael Ironside, who is Sam Fisher but another generic MC?
And then Blacklist, which was fun to play, but no Michael Ironside ->NO FUCKING POINT.

>>376323813
Are you shitting me? Where'd you go for the emu and rom?

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>>376327973
>Nobody in their right mind would play multiplats on the PS2
Or the PS3 for that matter.
In pic related, top is PS3, bottom is 360.

>>376328146
Jesus christ

>>376327668
>>376328003

>CIA level
>Oil platform

We are talking about Double Agent, here. You mentioned SC1 levels. By the way, you can't emulate the Xbox version, also the visual settings on the PS2 version of Double Agent are dated, but you can still adjust the light settings to make things pitch black, and you do have servicable enough shadows.

>>376327994
I thought he was like me. I'm terrible at finding games and programs.

>>376328146
We're they even trying?

>>376328242
not him but this video perfectly shows the differences between each version of Double Agent, it's an interesting watch too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhRymhKticE

so far xbox original wins

>>376328441
>Were they even trying?
Probably not. The CELL was a bitch to program for. It wasn't until late in the generation that multiplats caught up on the PS3 and even then they still were usually not quite up to par.
It's been flipped this current gen though. Granted Scorpio is about to flip it again.

>>376327191
wait a minute, are you telling me i need to win one for the gipper?

>>376327973
>>376328146
>>376327668
Did you just come out of 2004 or something? Let it go, xbot. Everyone knows the ps2 wasn't the best console for graphics, but right now it's the only emulation version 2 of Double Agent you can get on PC, unless xbox emulation is suddenly a thing.

>>376328452
I really don't care.

Am i the only one who thinks that Blacklist wasn't really "a step in the right direction"
Blacklist has to be one of the most dull and forgettable experiences i had in a video game, i hated it, and i hated conviction as well.

>>376321098

Conviction is pretty ok.
But Chaos Theory was fucking 9/10 masterpiece

Oh great, finally a thread about a REAL stealth game and not a meme movie with wonky gameplay!

>>376328651
>Xbot
Nice projecting. I give credit where credit is due. The original Xbox version is the best version of the game. If you dontbhave an Xbox then you can emulate the PS2 version, yes, but if you want the best experience the original Xbox has it.
Facts don't make me a fanboy. If you ask me Microsoft getting into the console business has done more damage than good anyway.

>>376328726
then why are u here and why are u replying, shitbird?

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What was her fucking problem?

>>376328734
No, I don't think anyone is going to disagree.

You have a game that's what, 5 deep in the series, then you pull the MCs voice actor in favor of some kid whose balls havent dropped yet, for the sake of mocap.

>>376328734
It wins points for going back to covert agent shit, non lethal options and such.

>>376329004
Not enough dick.

>>376328651
>people get berated for posting facts

except for the last one, can you prove that the ps2 version is superior to the og xbox version? I don't give a fuck about emulating shitty ps2 multiplats.

>>376329004

Someone had to fill Lambert's shoes.

>>376329059
Why is the actor getting so much shit? He still sounds like an experienced late 30s - early 40s operator.

>>376328734
It's not good, it's just better than Conviction.

>>376329315
because sam is supposed to be in his 50s Fuck that generic piece of shit actor.

>>376329315
Because Sam had a very distinct and established voice. If they wanted a new VA, they should have made a new character. There's nothing especially wrong with the new VA, but it's impossible to accept it as the same character.

>>376328913
>>376328985
Calm the fuck down, xbot. I don't care if it's slightly better graphics. Everyone knows that xbox had better graphics. No one said it wasn't. We're just talking about how someone on PC is going to get version 2 of DA without buying a fucking console. PS2 is the only option, and it gets two more levels to boot so you aren't losing much on the graphics. Like, why are you even upset? Jesus fucking christ.

>>376329263
Why did it have to be the IT chick?

DA is shit. But Conviction is decent, and Blacklist is even better.

Splinter Cell series went to shit-tier after Hitman release.

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>>376329372
Then blame Ubi, not the actor, as far as I know he did a good enough job with the direction they gave him.

Besides, it's not just Sam's voice that's younger. It's his looks and agility. So it comes down to more than just the voice.

>>376329610
are you mentally retarded?

>>376329619
Diversity or whatever. Remember Ubi is a big company so that means it has to bend over some for sjws. Blacklist would of been better if they had a new operator and just made Sam a commander then you could still had ironside with out the mocap excuse

>>376328734
It's basically Conviction on crack. But the mechanics are still Conviction's.

>>376329643
are you taking it in the butt by this actor or something? Is he your sugar daddy? The fuck you defending some literal who?

>>376329446
>Many fans wanted Michael Ironside to be the voice in your ear like Lambert and play as a new character
>Ubisoft instead decides to fuck up the franchise

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>>376329146
I'm not here to prove anything to a dinosaur from the 00's who apparently never grew up. If you aren't interested in emulating it, then I don't have anything to say to you. Holy shit you cunts are annoying.

>>376329315
>>376329372
>>376329446

Cause listen to this shit. It's a crappy sample comparison, but you'll get the gist. Which voice would involuntarily force more shit out of your ass if you heard it whispering in your ear as you felt cold steel pressed to your throat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtzII2hDm0


God that gravel makes me moist, and simultaneously cold with fear.

>>376329619
Because she's pretty much the only former 3E operative left alive?

>>376329917
>an already established major female character
>le sjws did this!!!

>>376329315
He moves like a limber spider monkey.

>>376330001
>dinosaur from the 00's

how old are you?

>>376330089
Copy paste Assassin's Creed climbing

>>376329950
>if you don't needlessly shit on someone, you're probably a fag for him

You need some joy in your life.

>>376330001
UNDERAGE, BAN, MODS BAN

>>376329643
Original fisher, best fisher.
2004 fisher is asian
2005 is blacked
2006 is a grandpa cosplaying as fisher
2010 is the Hollywood adaptation.
2013 is the Hollywood remake with a lesser budget.

>>376330183
nah, i am just questioning someone who defends a person who doesn't care about him for free. explain anon.

>>376321098
Conviction is action bullshit, blacklist is the standard ubisoft 3-ways-approach-skill-tree game, yes there's a skill tree in a Splinter cell. Decent but they ditched the pitch black darkness and sound meter so its basically like far cry 3.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzVySazMVeY

>yfw this version got canned

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>>376329643
>2005

>>376330070
Yeah before she was alright. Now shes a wannabe badass who looks like a college lesbian

>>376330415
>got canned
It turned into Assassins Creed 1.

>>376330415
neat concepts but i'm not sure if it would've been good tho.

This series doesnt get close to enough credit as it deserves

The MP in Pandora/Chaos Theory is still probably the best multiplayer game i've played. Fucking great games.

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>>376330415
>mfw this version became assassins creed

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>>376330415
>throwing chairs at people
>dropping cell phone bombs
>blowing shit up indiscriminately
>raggedyass beard
>no NV goggles

Just give me some hummus and I'll go full halal. ISIS: Conviction.

>>376330120
If I was a PS2 fan, wouldn't I be older than an xbot? I stopped caring about fanboy shit a long time ago. You should too. The amount of triggered you fanboys are is insane. Like, all I did was mention that graphics on ps2 DA were fine enough to be serviceable today and the 2 extra levels make up for it. Then some xbot starts typing out a laundry list of graphical upgrades the xbox version of SC1 has (not even the same game) like we're 15 years in the past and not all in our midfucking 20s and using consoles and PCs with 100 times the power of either machine.

>>376329004
Nothing, Sam is a fucking autist.

>>376330415
it's fucking postal

>>376330296
Have you never defended anyone you don't personally know?

are you a bad enough dude to rate the missions of chaos theory?

>>376333028
bank > kokubo sosho > battery > cargo ship > hokkaido > penthouse > bathhouse > lighthouse > displace > seoul

>>376321098
Im playing Blacklist, good so far

So will there be a new one at E3? Any predictions?

>>376335085
They would just fuck it up if they made another anyway, so who cares?

>>376331267
spoken like a true millenial so ofc you'd have zero taste and would be happy to eat shit like inferior mulitplats. Curse us for having the gall to tell people which version would give you the best experience and thus most enjoyable. I guess us "xbots" can't stop people from shoveling shit.

also
>brand-loyalty in the year 2017

>>376331267
>game is superior in every way on a console than other consoles and it's a proven facts with videos
>point it out
>"LOL YOU ARE AN x FANBOY

why do people like this exist?

It was never good.

>>376336312
Nobody cares about which is the superior console version when no one is actually playing on the original hardware anymore and only one of the consoles has an emulator.

>>376321098
no, it doesn't get better

stop after Double Agent, better yet, stop playing DA and purge it from your memory forever (or get/emulate the Gamecube/PS2 version)

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>>376322065
>Double Agent gets announced
>really disappointed that I can only get the ps2 version since I'm a poorfag
>have fun with it but can't help but wonder how much better the next gen version was
>years later get a 360 and play it
>mfw

>>376336447
>nobody
>no one

are you omnipotent?

>>376337081
OP is emulating the ps2 version by now.

>>376335202
All SC games have been good, just some were better at being pure stealth than others. I'd definitely welcome another one, as long as it's not open world bullshit.

Shame CT COOP is dead.

>>376339809
Well, it's an old as fuck game. Though I suppose you can always find a nostalgic buddy to play with.

>>376335085
Knowing Ubi, my predictions are
>open world outpost clearing
>mobile app that lets your buddy help you when you run into heavy resistance
>Sam is now in his late thirties and how sports a big ass beard like all cool operators
>he now quips non-stop in order to compensate for Blacklist
>Grim is now a super operator as well, also gets dicked by Sam
>trailer has music by Kendrick Lamar
>downgrades up the ass
>cosmetic unlocks that contain 24 different camo variants for the same fucking item

>>376321098
Splinter Cell 1 was a 4/5 game with solid mechanics (my personal favourite because nostalgia fag)

Pandora Tomorrow was basically 1 but slightly better and has a great multiplayer. The missions were slightly more interesting but I preferred 1's story.

Chaos Theory is fantastic. It refined the mechanics of the original two and combined it with semi-open levels and great AI (enemies popping flares before wandering off into the darkness blew my mind back then).

DA last-gen was Chaos Theory with a morality system, only it wasn't as well made and you could tell that most of the budget went into making the next gen version. With more time and more money, it could've been the best in the series.

Conviction is a shit Splinter Cell game but a great Jason Bourne game. If they could just replace Sam with Bourne, I'd love it.

Blacklist is okay. Just okay. They tried to pander to both the stealth players and the action players and ended up not truly satisfying either. Thy should've let Sam leave the series with his happy ending and brought in a new protagonist.

they should've had archer and kestrel go their separate ways having qualified as splinter cell agents and one of them becomes the new protagonist with sambert on mission control

>>376328112
emuparaside is the safest bet for console games.
About the emulator, the PCSX2 is the only one but i remember there are more updated versions out there than those released on their website

>>376341986
>Sambert

Heh

>play multi-player for the first time
>Brick shitting tension at all times, feel smug as fuck when you successfully outsmart the other guy
>High level play devolves into either running around as a merc with your terminator eye cancer goggles on at all times or jumping off pixels everywhere as a zerg rushing spy to cause instant death to anyone you land on.

Still I have great memories of multi-player. Learning all those little tricks to let you stealth better, the constant paranoia while playing a merc, those panicked moments where someone gets spotted and all hell breaks loose. Haven't played a game like it since.

Fuck that mall map though. Always got lost in it.

I thought conviction was well done. that just me though. everyone else on this board is going to give me shit for this, wait for it.

>>376341418
Four of those things aren't bad

>>376328146
god damn, i knew early PS3 games looked like garbage in comparison cause no one could code for it but shit.

>>376342638
Conviction was a good game. Not a particularly good stealth game, but a fun Jack Bauer/John Wick simulator.

Also, this was kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGR_R6iPHyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpszSxTUOiY

kek

>>376330415
>hobo Sam

So is the PC version of Double Agent the shit one?

>>376326018
>Blacklist is fucking trash and I hate it.
Am I the only person who thinks this because the controls feel like hot, sweaty, disgusting, man ass compared to any other game in the series?

Even Conviction's controls did not feel so godawful.

>>376347309
I thought the controls were pretty fluid. Could do well with more control over movement speed.

I sorta enjoyed the pc post of the next gen version

>>376347231
Yes. Unless you have OG Xbox, emulate the PS2 version.

Ubisoft is finished with this Franchise.

Hows the multiplayer in each of the games?

>>376348396
Isn't it the only non-open world single player franchise they have left?

>>376347309
>>376347561
I think it suffers for being made from the same engine as AssCreeds, where the movement doesn't really feel like you are moving your character, but you're just directing it towards a general direction.

Having said that, the game was made for you to go fast, you don't really need to do slow precise movements like you would need to in other games.

>>376325118
same

>>376350147
Yeah, it's the most fun when you're constantly on the run, improvising.
Case in point
https://youtu.be/hQ-R7H1XHOA

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All game series die at one point no matter how good they are.

At least Ubi isn't raping the corpse anymore.