You learned Japanese to play games the way the original

I learned Hiragana and Katakana, and the first part of the tae kim book
too hard to learn anything else

Yes. Next.

Unless you learned Japanese from birth, you're not getting the full meaning anyway. Learning it later in life through the lens of English distorts it.

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>>376309149

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First I need to get pregnant

>>376309636
You hear that everyone who isn't a native english speaker? You wasted your time learning english because you'll never understand it like some dumbass american does.

>>376310179
>replying to bait with another bait
When will it ever end?

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>>376309149
STOP REMINDING ME OF MY FAILURES

>>376309149
I learned japanese to play eroge that don't get translated.

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>>376309149
Of course it is, desu.

>>376309149
>implying I can
;_;

>take chinese major
>sheeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiitt might as well take japanese minor
>kanji will be so easy!

japanese is not easy at all. or it would be if i didnt have to memorize tang poetry at the same time, or have chinese and japanese classes right after each other.

at least my handwriting got complemented by teachers as AESTHETIC.

上げる
http://jisho.org/search/ageru

入れる
http://jisho.org/search/ireru

And this is just 2 examples. I'm trying to learn the language, but come the fuck on, man. Was this much shit attached to a single word/kanji really fucking necessary? Someone screwed up big time.

>>376309481
you and 99% of 4chan

>>376310935
>99% of 4chan knows kana
Damn.

>>376310930

i'm 99% sure that all the asian mainland autists went on a boat to form their own autist kingdom and speak and act like complete assburgers without normies judging them.

>>376311113
maybe 99% of the people that tried to learn japanese

>>376310930
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/get
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/raise
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/move

English is just as hard, if not more.

When it comes to having proficiency in Japanese language, there are two types of people: 1) Native born Japanese people, 2) Liars.

The more Japanese I study, the less it feels like I truly know.

>>376309636
This is pretty true.
>>376310179
The difference is that few native speakers actually adhere to the rules of proper English, and even fewer care if anyone else does.
>>376310930
Now try 掛ける

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i don't play shitty chinese games, retard

>>376310930
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/get

Why is this allowed?

>>376310930
I don't get it. What's the problem with these words?

>>376311175
I don't get it. What's the problem with these words?

>>376310930
People as retarded as you makes me want to murder.
>HURR LANGUAGES ARENT PERFECTLY LOGICAL
Wow, it's almost like languages grow organically from people and aren't precisely crafted.

>>376311185
>few native speakers actually adhere to the rules of proper English
Truth be told a lot of natives don't do it themselves, and you know it. Now more than ever.

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There's no reason for me to learn japanese over spanish or german.
Not to mention that those two come from sensible language families and not backwards-ass pictograms

>>376311232
>What's the problem with these words?

they're used in their regular semantic speech (upward/on top), as honorific language (and the three types of honorific language), and colloquially by non-Honshu hicks.

>>376311353
You're a lazy piece of shit failure who's not going to learn anything.

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>>376311220
ファゴットを黙らせる

I passed JLPT N1.

Does that count as enough for video games?

>>376311410
But I already learned english and russian

>>376309149
No

>>376311410
He's right tho

>>376311337
Regardless, you're a laughing stock if you don't know Japanese 100% properly, and you anger them if you do, because gaijin are supposed to be retarded. Lose lose.

>>376311443
Did you really want to use 使役形 in you post? One would think a simple 命令形 would be the obvious choice.

>>376311517
Did you learn that in the prestigious university of 4chan?

>>376311539
He's a poser.

>>376309149
No, I'm not a retard.

>>376311539
why do moon runes look like jap houses

>>376311517
>you're a laughing stock if you don't know Japanese 100% properly, and you anger them if you do
Living on the extremes aren't you mate? I sure wish my world was black and white too.

>>376311327
>le fresh grown 100% natural language

That's just an excuse that stupid people use so they can keep being illiterate

>>376309149
What actually is a good way to learn Japanese?
I hear japan has this huge shopping district and i want to visit it.

>>376311729
>learn hiragana and katakana
>learn the rest of japanese

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at the last chapter of genki

takeshi and mary are saying goodbye.

it's been fun, bros.

>>376311774
Good luck at N4, anon.

>>376311582
>He's a poser
So is someone deliberately saying 命令形 instead of imperative when the rest of his post is in English.

>>376309149
im pretty sure the authors don't give a fuck

>>376309149
What's the point in learning Japanese when I can't make any money from it? Can't get a job in Japan without a degree, and you can't get a translation job here without having some meme English or Journalism degree.

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Learning it as a hobby. Halfway through Genki 1, level 4 of WaniKani.

The language is engaging and fun - like putting together a puzzle. I really suck at speaking it however I am picking up reading it like a boss.

>>376311819

i will probably never take the JLPT.

unless it's required for JETP.

>>376311883
What's the point of going to 4chan when you can't make any money from it? What's the point of playing video games when you can't make any money from it?

Might as well just work 24/7 amirite? What's the point of sleeping if you can't make any money from it?

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So anons, Radicals or pure kanji? Or a combination of both? I've been slamming Kanji in anki for about 2 months but seeing a lot of overlap in the structure of some kanji I feel like I shouldn't have taken the advice of a certain thread that's been split up over boards now and just have learned radicals

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>>376311883
>Can't get a job in Japan without a degree,

it feels good to be on top for once

>>376312062
Try Wanikani. First 3 levels are free and 10$ a mo (or 5$ if you just google a coupon) afterwards.

>>376311850
なら残りも日本語にしようか。

どうして使役形を使ったの。普通に命令形を使えばいいのに。

>>376312062

first 50 most common radicals and then 1000 most common kanji, then learn the rest of the radicals along the way.

>>376312062

I think you should have done radicals. But I'm not too advanced myself.

I passed N5 and then stopped actively studying. I still talk with my teacher over Skype every week, even though she moved back to Japan.

Chatting with Japanese people is cozy.

Can /v/ have a DJT since every other fucking board has one? It can be a DJT for Japanese games. Daily Japanese Game or something.

>>376312304
>I passed N5

lmaooo

>>376312312
No. Stop Redditing out.

Looking for distractions, tricks, shortcuts and circlejerks is the typical Reddit way of learning Japanese. A way that leads to nowhere.

>>376312189
>>He's a poser
So is someone deliberately posting in Japanese in a board where people speak in English for no reason whatsoever other than apparently he has an aversion to saying "imperative" or "causative".

Also, I don't fucking know matey, I'm not that guy. For all I know he just fucked up.

>>376312378
I'm not sure you can laugh at him N3/N2-kun. He's not even prideful about it, so why be a jerk?

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>>376312312

>wanting to have a semi-productive thread where people are actually trying to learn a new language
>on a board that's just above /b/ for the sole reason of buoyancy in a sea of shit

>>376309149
It's not hard.
Every language has hard parts.

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>>376309481
I've learned Up to the second half of the third part. Just keep going, it's not really that hard. If you need a tip don't think of it like you are speaking English

>>376312430
日本語でおk

>>376312378
What's laughable about it?

>>376312451
Eh, I am kinda proud of it, but I don't flaunt it either.

>>376312312
Just go to /vr/ for oldish Japanese games. It's so much better than this shithole

>>376312312
No, unirocally fuck off, you have become annoying with your continuous bitching.

>>376312573

>deok

what did he mean by this?

>>376312062
You will pick up radicals in an instinctive way by just learning vocab in time.

Do with that what you will.

How do these N1-N5 tests even work? Do you just take a singular test, and depending on how far you go it assigns your Nigger Level?

>>376312631
よくネットで使われてる表し方なのだ、情弱くん。

http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/日本語でおk

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Approaching 6k matures in anki. Don't care at all about N5-N1 tiers, I can either understand it or I can't.
Still read everyday, 2 chapters of manga and at least an hour of a VN to get my 20 new mined words a day.
Also lurk in japanese thread on /int/

>>376309636
this is in no way true. stop trying to kill the motivation of others because you're too autistic to learn one language. I know 4 languages and subtle content, slang, and connotations can be learned. it takes more time but it is certainly possible for any language

>>376312753
It's a worthless test that doesn't even evaluate your production.

>>376312753
You decide which level to take. You can only take one of them at a time (they hold the tests once every 6months, at least that's how they do it in the UK)

>>376312753
No you choose which one to take ahead of time. N5 is the easiest and N1 is the hardest. The harder ones have more vocab, kanji, and grammar.

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Everyone in this thread is bashing each other for not being able to speak as well as them instead of giving constructive criticicism. If you're looking for advice with speaking Japanese, go to the Japanese /int/ thread. /v/ is just going to do this autistic shit.

>>376312573
>I have nothing of worth to add after that guy already answered my question

>>376309149
I am not a japedo weeb shitter so no

毎日に勉強してる。

最近に、日本語だけのPS1ゲームをプレーしてる。 今はAconcaguaをプレーしてる。

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>>376309149
I want to learn Japanese so that I could go to their country and live as a homeless traveler for a few months at a time before coming back to my boring life.


Can someone link me resources? I'm a neet and have all the time in the world. Online shit hasn't been cutting it. I'm looking towards books.

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>>376312806

>reading manga and VN to practice vocab

does that work?

i do it the old-fashioned way, which is write that shit hundreds of times until i memorize it.

>>376313093
There is a pastebin in the /djt/ threads.

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>>376309149
I did now I can play all these cool porn games that will never get translated.

>>376309481
Tae Kim is shit. He couldn't explain grammar clearly if his life depended on it. I'm using a grammar dictionary and learning vocabulary on my own, much better

こんにちはオレは日本人です

>>376313015
I just don't even bother conversing about it except casually with non-natives anymore. If someone starts sperging out I just stop talking to them about it. It's funny how people on here say Japanese people act this way or that way or hate non-natives or whatever, yet in my experience there are both normal civilized people and spergs just like in any other country.

>>376312806
>to get my 20 new mined words a day.
Man if you are at the point you already did all your mining deck and to do new words you actually have to mine them right away, then I'd assume it would be hard to find 20 new words a day.

Also, what manga are you reading? What VN?

Currently my mining deck is sitting at 3k mined and about 500 done, not sure how many mature but I'd guess less than 100.

>>376313143
It's good for vocab that you'll never find in the damn textbooks.

>>376313143
Yes, reading + anki works. If i misunderstand something its my fault for not parsing the grammar correctly, but the vocab is fine.

>>376313085
>Aconcagua

I remember that game. How is it?

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Can't wait.

>>376311517
Not true. Japs go absolutely fan girl mode when a Westerner is even know a little bit of Japanese. It's almost like they're happy that a barbarian has accepted how superior their language is.

On the other hand when I ran into a fellow American in Osaka, our English interaction actually drew a large number of onlookers.

Normally when I can't follow in Japanese, I have to speak slowly and with proper English for Japs. When I spoke normally with another American, apparently that was ALSO the coolest thing ever, and some girls were applauding after our conversation was over.... and then proceeded in wanting to have their pictures with like I was a novelty.

I can never tell if Japs think I'm cool or just a gross animal they wish to brag that they met.

The family I stayed with apparently loved me. The mother kept trying to set me up with her daughter.

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>>376313192
>オレ

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>>376313393
holy fuck

>>376313449
bocuck detected

>>376313085
>毎日に勉強してる。
「に」は要らない。

>最近に
ここにも要らない。

>プレー
どうやら「プレー」も使えるが、私の経験では「プレイ」のほうが普通だ。

あと、
>日本語だけのPS1ゲーム
これは決して間違いではないが、「日本語のPS1ゲーム」で十分だろう。

>>376313449
fucking kek

>>376312753
They're separate tests. N5 is the easiest, N1 the hardest. You choose which test you want to take beforehand. Only N1 matters as far as actually working or doing anything Japan is concerned (f.ex. immigration agency gives you bonus points if you've cleared N1), though some unis taking exchange students set the bar lower and only except N2.

Nevertheless you should only ever take N1 if you plan on taking any of them. Others are basically an easy way to scam idiots out of their money so they get a good looking poster on their wall for knowing some basic Japanese.

As far as the tests themselves are concerned, they're actually pretty easy. Multiple choice questions only (though there's tons of them), mostly relating to understanding shit. This means it doesn't really gauge your production skills (speaking and writing), f.ex. I'm really shit at producing anything but I'm really proficient at reading, because I learned Japanese for video games. In fact there's many vidya and eroge that are much harder than N1 level shit.

N1 has three parts: grammar and readings + learning comprehension + listening comprehension. Every part has 60 point max, for a total of 180 points. Passing grade requires merely 19 points in each section, plus 100 points total.

>>376313349
すごく楽しい。 このゲームの日本語はとても易しい! 勧める!

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>>376313307
I haven't even seen all the words I've mined. I started mining as soon as I started reading, which was awhile ago, I only recently had core 6k fully seen so I just merged my mined words into it and kept going.
Right now im reading イカ娘 manga and finished one route of flyable heart, halfway through another girls one. At the start it was rough but its getting much, much faster to read it unless I hit an unknown word.

Pic attached might tell you when I finished one girls route and didnt have a proper save point :/

>>376313378

is this duolingo?

>>376313558
>total of 180 points. Passing grade requires merely 19 points in each section, plus 100 points total.

This makes just passing the test hardly indicative of one's standing among other people who did. But most places that ask for N1 ask for your score too, and even have spoken interviews.

>>376313319
>not parsing the grammar correctly, but the vocab is fine.
I hate when this happens. I'm still somewhat of a beginner so my hope is that it will stop, but it bothers me in a level beyond comprehension.

>>376313695
yes
>>376313378
you know you can alpha test the course right now, right? no need to wait

>>376313319
>>376313714
Stop Ankidroning and reading only simplistic manga and eroge and you'll find a lot of places where you won't understand the grammar either.

>>376313614
I'll give it a try, thanks. Been looking for some easy games to practice and I'm just not into VNs.

>>376313551
ありがとう! でも、「毎日に」と「最近に」はいいですよね? もしかして要らないけど正解ですよね?

>>376313695

Yes. No idea how they'll handle different characters. Guess you'll have to learn kana on your own.

>>376313746
Really? How?

>>376313551
「要らない」と言うけど、使ってもいい?

>>376313493
As long as you're not a stranger and you personally know them, many older (married) women love how when I just added -chan as a suffix to them.

Don't do it I front of their husband. She may giggle and blush ( and encourage you to keep doing it), the husband will just stare at you with a concerned look.

>>376309149
What is this tumblr anime face meme called?

>>376313841
I'll get you a link, m8. try to contain your autism because it's on reddit

>>376313965
The "you will never learn Japanese" smile.

>>376313775
>Stop Ankidroning and reading only simplistic manga
下学上達, im just a little over a year in, still a beginner m8

>>376313784
The cut-scenes are English voice acted so it's a nice break from the Japanese text. The puzzles are pretty obvious too so you won't get stuck if you don't know a certain line of Japanese.

GOD TIER
小生
拙者
某
自分

GOOD TIER
俺
我
あたし

OKAY TIER
私
儂
あたい

FAG TIER
僕

LITERALLY PEASANT TIER
うち


TRYING TOO HARD TO BE CUTE TIER
<own name>

>>376313976
>>376313841
You've got to send a post request but it's not hard at all. read this

https://www.reddit.com/r/duolingo/comments/65tloh/quicker_japanese_access/

>>376313775
Your point being?

>>376314043
I am going to assume it was something entertaining involving som bitch telling you that you can't learn jap

>>376314089
>no 我が輩
do you even personal pronoun

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>>376313818
>>376313894
「毎日」と「最近」を名詞として使えば「に」をつけてもいいけど、お前の場合では副詞なのでダメなんだ。

参考:Genki 1, page 62

>>376313093
you won't be allowed until the country without a job

>>376314207
Shit, that was my outdated list.
Real tier list:

GOD TIER
小生
拙者
某
自分
我が輩

GOOD TIER
俺
我
あたし

OKAY TIER
私
儂
あたい
余
己

FAG TIER
僕
朕
麻呂

LITERALLY PEASANT TIER
うち

TRYING TOO HARD TO BE CUTE TIER
<own name>

>>376311729
>>376311764
resources?

>>376314350

Look for the pastebin in the DJT on either /int/ or /jp/.

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>>376314350

>>376309149
I started learning japanese like 2 months and 2 weeks ago, so far i've learn hiragana, katakana, some grammar stuff, some vocabulary and something like 285 kanjis with some associated vocabulary (of course i don't know them absolutely perfectly, there's a lot of holes here and there that i gotta fill progressively.)

I've decided to take a kanji break to learn more grammar and learn to really get a grasp at those i already know, but i just ended up doing almost nothing for the last 2 weeks. Now when i'm procrastinating for everything, even for my univerity homework, i end up spending my days in front of my computer.

I need help please, i'm putting myself in desperate situations almost on purpose. Help me

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Someone has suggested me some books called Marugoto. What I can see from it however it looks a lot like Genki. Anyone have any experience with it?

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>>376309791
i love this meme so much

>>376314581
same procrastination with me desu
i already procrastinated three days and I need to write a summary of my previous research soon

>>376313707
Exactly. N1 just means you got the basic shit down (whereas lower levels are sub-basic shit) and can understand when spoken to and can read most daily life stuff you come across, but if you actually want it to grant you actual benefits in working life and such you also need to get good scores, and obviously need to trim up your production skills as well.

I myself took the test a few years ago and got nearly full points from learning comprehension, but less than optimal scores for other sections and still passed. N1 is more of a starting point than the goal like some beginners glorify it as. Though clearing N1 means you most likely have no issues consuming native media like vidya and other weebshit, which I wager is the main reason people decide to learn Japanese.

>>376310179
if your native language is some kind of romance or germanic language, you are close enough to english to understand it properly as a non native speaker

>>376311175
>if not more
Clearly English is still difficult for you

>>376314692
>learning comprehension
*reading comprehension

>>376314581
the problem is that you are forcing it too much. I know you probably won't believe me but when I learned french, I was pretty lax about it. taking in small amounts of the language over a long time and now I can speak french pretty easily. don't force yourself. You'll forget a lot of what you learn

>>376314660
That sucks, i also have to write a report of like 15 pages or so, plus a lot of other stuff, i just keep reporting all of that, i'm so fucking stupid

glad i'm not alone in this, even if i know this isn't cool

>>376314692
>which I wager is the main reason people decide to learn Japanese.
No shit?

>>376314581
Keep procrastinating until you drop out of university. Worked for me.

The only downside is, I will never get a real job and I'll be a wagecuck for the rest of my life, but I can live with that.

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>>376309149
>learning a language to play video games and watch shitty light novel adaptations

>>376314692
I recently passed with 178, so I hope it'll be a boon for an upcoming selection I'll apply for. But the interview and other factors will be more important, no doubt.

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>>376314581
>>376314660
>2 months
>procrastinating
I too dropped after 2 months, but at the same time I don't want to drop it but the instant gratification of the internet is killing me

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>mfw at kanji 750 in heisig

Only 50 more days and I'll have 2k kanji down

>>376314765
Maybe it is for you, go read a book sometime.

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>learning a language that you will never do anything with besides play video games in that language

>>376314241
「毎日」や「最近」を名詞として使ってる例えを示してもらえませんか?

>>376311185
fucking lmao what? in what world do you live in? almost nobody adheres to actual proper grammar in real life regardless of language. They give the bare minimum to be intelligible and then they go to town swapping words for effect or simply because they think of certain words first

>>376314950

you mean like your current native language?

>>376314810
Nah i can't do that it would be fucking stupid, i'm one month away from graduating and i'm doing okay despite all of my lateness. I've always had that tendancy to sabotage all i was doing.

>>376314793

Yeah maybe i should try meditation or something like that to relax more, i often think about it but i procrastinate this too...

>>376310402
Bait all the way down.

>>376315012
Oh right. I forgot I never actually use my language outside of reading and listening to video game dialogue. How silly of me.

>>376315012
>>376310402
ayy

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These are my favorite threads, guys.

>>376310883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

NEVA GIVU APU!

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>>376309149
>spend years learning how to read japanese
>still don't understand text in games and VN's because the japanese language is incredibly simplistic and the culture itself is ultra-high-context

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>>376315114

>being this assblasted

>>376315189
That's because /v/ sucks. Eventually a mod will come delete it because /v/ can't have anything interesting in it.

Either that or some of the autism that's shitting on the rest of the board will come here make posts in the level of >>376314950

>>376314974
>毎日に余裕をうみだす「引き算」の習慣
http://lifehacking.jp/2017/01/subtraction-habits/
ここでは「毎日」は「日常生活」とほぼ同じなんだ。

>>376315035
then just take a break, anon. You'd be surprised what a break can do. week long breaks during study sessions often lead me to start dreaming in french. obviously the dreams were weird as fuck(I was talking to a dog in one of them) but it gave my brain time to mess around with what I had learned

>>376314868
yeah, internet is a drug

Has anyone here played Mizzurna Falls?

>>376314950
I have not used english for anything but shitposting for 5 years
Not knowing english would have had a positive impact on my life

>>376314950
>>376315114
I was motivated to learn English mainly because of video games, and learned Japanese for the same reason.

I mean if you want to talk about actually "worthwhile" languages to learn, you only have
>Your mother tongue / the language that's used most in the country you live in
>English due to its global status in the civilized world
and that's pretty much it. Learning any other language whatsoever is inherently "worthless" and dependent entirely on your personal interests, or what type of work you plan on doing in the future.

>>376315625
いや、積んでるけど。

>>376314974
You literally just did bitch ass nigga.

No, I learnt Japanese to sleep with Japanese women

>>376309636
This is true for anybody who learns a second language, dumbass. Just because you naturally default to your native language when thinking doesn't mean you can't learn new ones with effort

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>>376310892
>learning to communicate with the asian jew
misfortune awaits

>>376315381
yeah, you may be right
i'll try to relax and take some time to put my shit together before getting back at it.

merci, mon mec

>>376310892

post your handwriting

>>376309149
Not yet, but I'd like to at some point. I'm already having enough trouble learning Korean. I don't know if it'd be wise to pick up japanese as well right now.

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what's a good japanese game to learn new words from

>>376316205
Dies irae

>>376312312
It'd get shitposted to death, like 99% of threads on /v/.

>>376316205
MGS

But then I'd be rused by Hori's gender pronoun horseshit in BNHA like the Nips were rused by Kanon's gender pronoun horseshit in Umineko

>>376316205

I've been using my spare copy of Pokemon Y to practice German. Was hoping to play through earlier Final Fantasies to practice german in ppsspp, but it looks like only the GBA versions had multiple language options.

Why do some Japanese people speak so fast? Or maybe it just seems fast because I'm not 100% familiar with language yet. I know not all do, but it makes it hard for a beginner like me to pick out what's being said sometimes. It feels like some of them are talking at Rap God speed at all times.

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>>376309149

I've been doing my anki reps for vocab every day for the past 15 months but I still can't read much because lol jukugo. Grammar is fucked up and I mess up the meaning of the sentences 90% of time time.

It feels like an uphill battle but it's my dream to at the very least be able to read the language fluently so I can enjoy my unlocalized games and porn.

>>376316823
>15 months of anki
>still can't read sentences
You're doing something wrong.

>>376316708
It's a little faster than English, but nothing you should be having trouble with.

>>376311976
4chan and video games are for escapism, learning a language is an investment of time that you want to be able to use for more than watching moving korean caricatures without subs.

>>376309149
I'm actually in the process of learning japanese as we speak. Currently going through kanjidamage, got about 600 done (~3000 left)

Although the only reason I'm putting this much effort into it is because fuck censorship.

>>376317146
>4chan and video games are for escapism
>>>/r9k/

What's the most disgusting kanji out there? For me it's 孵. It makes me sick to my stomach.

>>376317146
So is anything else requiring any sort of investment. Drawing, playing an instrument, learning a new language, learning to play a certain game with a steep learning curve well are all waste of your time if you aren't using them to make money. You just do them as hobbies and to have fun.

>>376312821
>because you're too autistic to learn one language
you did mean
>because you're not autistic enough to learn one language
right?

>>376317271
>~3000 left
Delete the meaningless half that don't have the kanji on the front, idiot. You're 300 in.

>>376317601
Nah, fuck off. Writing reinforces learning much more strongly than sheer recognition alone does. I actually write them out with my finger too, which slows me down, but that's how the brain learns best.

>>376317390
夕
Because it's impossible to tell 夕べ from タベ

>>376312821

my quadlingual nigga

>>376317520
no

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僕は風花のために日本語を勉強しました!

>>376317601
>>376317731
Not to mention teaching me the correct stroke order

(Remember, a kitten dies every time you get the stroke order wrong)

>>376312821
>this is in no way true.
It's true for culturally ignorant americans who are too retarded to infer meaning from context, sadly

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>>376317789
>僕

>>376316205
Please Bang My Wife

>>376317771
Oh wow, I just realized those render differently in my font. At least it's useful for something.

>>376315863
I dunno, I think both in English and my native language. I often find that I forget the correct word in my native language, which is pretty infuriating, so I try to find a similar word in English and translate it instead in my head. But when I talk or write in English a reverse thing can happen.

>>376317731
>Writing reinforces learning much more strongly than sheer recognition alone does
You're a braindead cunt who is mistaking "more time wasted" for "better understanding". Recognition and reproduction are completely different skills using completely different areas of the brain, which is why you can write a word and know it looks "wrong" without knowing the right way to spell it.

You're taking way too long, you can always come back and learn autism order later if you seriously want to take the fucking Kanken.

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>>376316030

ツ
ツ
シ
シ
LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE

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>>376317927
No matter what I use to refer to myself people complain.
I decided to say "screw it" and just go with whatever I feel like,

>>376318002
Bilingual growing up, I actually used to have a really hard time translating between german and english - even though I spoke and understood both fluently. Like my brain didn't have the necessary connections in my head between the two languages.

I got better at it by practicing and thanks to english classes at school, so I no longer have that much of a problem these days - but it's still funny when my peers can find translations of words faster than me despite english being a foreign language to them, simply because they've actually “learned” it, whereas I grew up with it.

How the fuck am I supposed to learn moon runes when I can't even learn Spanish? I failed Spanish 1 twice in high school.

>>376317927
>僕
何が悪い

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Anyone has an idea why am I getting Connection Errors on all posts that are above 200 symbols?

>>376318175
Just use この俺様

>>376309149
Since I know chinese, I can just half ass japanese and learn about like 30% of that shit and play games just fine

should I spend my free time learning nip, piano or drawing?

No.
I learned Japanese because I wanted to travel the country and actually be able to talk to people there, and also because I wanted to be able to read Japanese literature, which is often very tricky to translate, and many great books aren't translated at all.

That said, I failed on the second goal, because learning Japanese on a literary level turned out to incomparably harder than just learning enough to be able to converse or read light reading, and I eventually did not have enough time and will to invest.

I'm a massive weeboo, but I never gave two flying shits about Japanese games. Still don't. I enjoy some manga, very rarely anime, a lot of their cinema and A LOT of their books, but their games never fucking interested me, sans few very rare exceptions (Team Ico games, Silent Hill - nothing that would require you to know Japanese).

Japanese is generally really not worth learning unless you have an academic interest in their culture.

>>376311185
>When it comes to having proficiency in Japanese language, there are two types of people: 1) Native born Japanese people, 2) Liars.
Not true. It's hard, but it's not nearly impossible. Like every language, learning it in nuanced form is hard and generally requires to live there for a while, but it's nowhere near impossible. Most people I've seen claiming that they know Japanese did hugely overplay their proficiency (I guess it's kinda like people bragging about their IQ), but still, you are taking it too far in the opposite direction.

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>core 2k/6k optimized japanese vocabulary
What do I do when everything looks the same and I am much slower at learning flashcards than when I started?

>>376318175
refer to
>>376314346
otherwise 私

>>376318309
All three.

>>376318205
Yo te puedo enseñar español

>>376318309
drawing is a just practice thing really and require minimal learning

>>376318275
>俺様
Yeah, people will definitely laugh at me if I use that.

>>376318342
Even when using 私 people complain.

>>376318309
Piano. It's gonna take most time, but it's likely going to be most rewarding and certainly gets you highest score with the girls.

Drawing is nice if you really have creative urges, but it's a lot less time dependent and you can always go back to it later, which can't be said about piano.

Japanese is generally useless unless you have any kind of Japan-related academic or business plans that you seriously wish to go through.

>>376318134

シツソンノ

( ´ー｀)ﾌｩｰ...本物の日本人はどうやら俺だけのようだな。

>>376318498
real japanese people are cancer, so fuck off

>>376318434
>Even when using 私 people complain.
It's context sensitive. If you are young and surrounded by young people, they might find it weirdly formal. But then again, in some cases they will find "boku" too childish, in other cases they will find "ore" too harsh and arrogant, so... really you would have to spend more time with them, see what the norm for that particular social group is.

Watashi is - at worst - a bit too formal, but never actually inappropriate. You'll never offend anyone with it. So if you are unsure of what the norm of that group is, just use that, unless somebody advices you to do otherwise for that particular context.

>>376318465
Thanks for your advice, I think piano would probably satisfy my creative urges, especially if music theory helped me to produce music.

>>376318614
えぇ…酷いよ(´Д⊂ヽ

>>376318465
I think getting good at drawing really is harder that getting good at piano and music.

That depends from person to person, but i don't think drawing is "less time dependant" at all

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>>376318205
>the eternal burger is too fucking retarded to learn FUCKING spanish

time for some fucking truth bombs
Kanji's are fucking easy

>>376318205
Speaking from experience (I know multiple languages), the ONLY contributing factor to how well you can learn a language in practice is your motivation. If you want to learn something, you will. If you don't, you won't. This is especially true for languages, because learning a language is equal to having motivation over a long period of time.

The moment you lose motivation, you stop learning. If you were “forced” to learn spanish at school like I was “forced” to learn french, you won't learn it at all. But if you learn something because you WANT to learn it, it will be easy.

Also, the most important step in language learning is practicing it. Find somebody who speaks that language and is willing to help you learn, and actually try conversing with them in that language from that point onwards. If you don't know something, ask or look it up. And have them point out your mistakes. If you know somebody like that and regularly practice with them, you will become fluent in no time. You won't learn a language by just reading textbooks about it.

>>376318134
never had trouble with it tho

>>376318653
okay, I'll keep it in mind

What about online? some of the people I talk to in Japanese feel Watashi is too formal too,, some don't mind it, should I just keep in mind what I say and with who?

>>376318309
Nip learning is not fun at all
Drawing is just practice and probably not fun too
Piano is the most fun because you can just play some studies for skills and use pieces you like as goals so you can have fun playing anime songs like I do

>>376318890
t.chinese

>>376318205
I barely passed compulsory Swedish classes in high school and university, but learned both English and Japanese. Learning a language, or anything else for that matter is only about how motivated you are. Internet is full of learning material and guides so you have no excuses unless you're diagnosed with an actual physical or mental disability.

Don't be these faggots
>I wasn't good at drawing as a kid so I can never learn to draw!
>I'm just born fat and can't help that I'm overweight!
>I'm too stupid to learn mathematics!
>I can't learn any foreign languages!
These are people who only trick themselves into thinking they're inherently stupid or bad at something, because it's much, much easier for people to accept that they just "don't have what it takes" on genetic or some other level that they can't personally influence rather than accept the fact that they're pathetic losers because of their own laziness.

t. previously an unmotivated loser fatfuck who "wasn't good at anything"

>>376318989
actually correct

>>376318910
First of all, I don't "want" to do anything.
That's probably why I did so shit in school.

>>376319042

does Hanzi have a trillion readings for each character like Kanji?

>>376319071
Yep, spot on. If you don't "want" to do anything then I feel genuine pity for you. You will never experience the greatest pleasure in life that is having passion for something.

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切 my life into pieces

>>376318768
>I think getting good at drawing really is harder that getting good at piano and music.
Speaking from experience, it's not. The entry barrier into most musical instruments is far, far worse than for drawing. Especially piano, which is hard even by average musical instrument standards. It does, of course, depeneds also on one's innate talents (Some people will find music easier than others), but even the clumsiest person can learn to draw technically decent pictures with a hour of training a day, or maybe just going to a drawing lesson once a week. I'm not only not very gifted at drawing, I also suffer some mild neurological problems affecting eye-to-hand coordination, meaning that I can't draw a straight line to save my life, and I've still learned technically solid basics of illustration, by my own, within a couple of months.

Now find me a someone who can claim the same for piano. You'll need to practice tens of hours a week for several years, even if you have a good predisposition. It just requires far more delicate manual training and muscle memory.

>>376319110
Most of the chinese characters, especially the most common ones, have multiple readings - but as far as I can tell, they're “similar” readings with slight variations to the intonation etc.; not shit like “mizu” -> “sui”

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>>376319145
shit.

>>376319145
I never really thought about what I wanted to do up until recently. I just did what I was told and picked subjects that I found easy. I have no fucking idea what I want to do and I have no skills or interests beyond just playing games.

>>376319183

Depends what you call decent.

>>376319165
>weeaboos will defend this
Shíshì shīshì Shī Shì, shì shī, shì shí shí shī. Shì shíshí shì shì shì shī. Shí shí, shì shí shī shì shì. Shì shí, shì Shī Shì shì shì. Shì shì shì shí shī, shì shǐ shì, shǐ shì shí shī shìshì. Shì shí shì shí shī shī, shì shíshì. Shíshì shī, Shì shǐ shì shì shíshì. Shíshì shì, Shì shǐ shì shí shì shí shī. Shí shí, shǐ shí shì shí shī shī, shí shí shí shī shī. Shì shì shì shì.

>>376319110
sort of? though not that common, but in return we just learn a fuckton of hanzi

>>376319165
I feel like half of those don't even exist.

>>376319183
Piano fingering isn't any more difficult than Guitar fingering imo.

>>376319183
drawing is fucking easy just draw like shit and if anyone ever criticizes your drawing get super defensive and say "DUDE IT'S MY ARTSTYLE FUCK OFF CUNT" so that you never actually have to improve

>>376319310
That's Chinese poetry though. The momomomomomomo (etc. etc.) one is the Japanese one.

>>376319165
大
太
犬
and ahhhh

>>376309149
No

>>376319413
I know, I just thought it was relevant
>momomomomomo etc.
Don't know this one though, hook me up?

>>376318948
I guess I would not use "Watashi" on 2chan, but outside of that, I personally always go for "Watashi" if I'm in any kind of doubt. Again: people might find it awkward at absolute worst, but you are guaranteed that they won't find it rude. Eventually you might get a bit more of an intuition for these kinds of things, but until that, really, just stick to Watashi.

And again, it might be context sensitive, and this probably does not apply for image boards or on-line multiplayer, but in a lot of online correspondence, Japs tend to still revert to what are the standards for actual correspondence, which means kicking up the politeness factor one notch up. In other words, in things like semi-business emails, you will frequently find them even addressing others as "sama" or using "watakushi" or "uchi" towards themselves.

>>376319320
as far as I can tell only one that is correct is 犬 太sort of look like that but the placement of the dot is funky so technically not correct

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>>376309149

All the games I like are officially translated, have fan translations, or are going to get fan translations. Or they're just naturally english. So I feel no reason to learn.

Plus I'm too lazy.

desu or da?

You will never be "good" at piano if you didn't start as a kid
you will never play those fancy classical pieces but you can play anything else

>>376319304
>Depends what you call decent.
Not a complete eyesore.

By the way, again: Off-key tones are far more intruisive and jarring than almost anything you can fuck-up when drawing, which means that every single mistake you'll make while playing the piano will be immediately more noticeable, and will create even higher pressure and need for practice. While an illustrator can get away with a lot if he is not trying to present himself as professional, a piano playing person won't: people will forgive you awkwardly drawn hand on your character, but if you are playing off tune on piano, they will probably beat your ass after of few seconds having to listen to that.

>>376319376
ymo is pretty wrong then.

>>376319247
The only things I want to do are eat, fap, sleep, and consume media that I'm interested in desu.

>>376319672
depends on if you're talking to old people. If you aren't use da(unless you're boss is the old fashioned type)

悦

Someone offers you ecstasy at a rave party. Cool, logical Data is on one shoulder saying "No, don't take it!". The devil is on your other shoulder saying "You know you want it!".

Any games that haven't been released in English, that I'm also interested in, can be played without any difficulties if you just bother figuring out the menus and what not. Some games like shmups require even less than that.

The most text-heavy games I've played in Japanese were Monster Hunter Portable 3rd and Phantasy Star Portable 2 (before it released in English).

>>376319672
Desu unless you are in a very informal conversation. Just don't pronounce the "u" at the end or you'll look like a complete idiot.

日本語上達速度は韓国人と中国人が他の国の人達と比べて明らかに速いよなぁ(^o^)

>>376319821
>ymo
>your my opinion

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>>376319487
Alright.
ありがとう御座います、アノンさん。
私は勉強を続けます。

>>376320002
Actually, that would be "your moronic opinion".
.

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>>376319706
>You will never learn Japanese unless you started learning the language the second you were born
>you will never learn to play music unless your parents forced you to start from an early age
>you will never be able to draw. True artists are born and will from a young age already show they're good at drawing
>you'll never amount to anything in your life if you didn't start with it the second your mother queefed you out

>>376309149
I tried, thinking it'd maybe help with my memory problems I've been having the past couple years, actively drilling new things into my mind.

No go, just made me feel more retarded and empty.

>>376309149
I learned japanese to read hentai and communicate with employees. Playing games is just side benefit.

>>376320031
>avatarfagging on /v/
You will never be this pathetic.

>>376320031
まあ、頑張って。

>>376320164
Piano is different

>>376319487
私 is mostly only used as some kind of introduction and for females to talk about yourself. If you talk about yourself you just ignore watashi because the other person knows that you talk about yourself.

If you are a male and use watshi too much, you sound literally gay.

Best mnemonics time:
>推 (sui) “infer/deduce”: based on the way my hand feels on your cock (turkey), I can infer/deduce that your cum will taste SWEEt.
>漫 (man) “manga”: water radical is semen, sun radical is “daily”, net radical is “tissue” and the bottom is what KD calls “crotch”, so in my head this means “what I use to ejaculate into tissues every day”. Heck it even works with “again”, just adapt it to something like “using this you can ejaculate into tissues again and again”.
>黒 “black” is read “koku”. Don't need a mnemonic.
>唯 (yui) “only/sole”: YUI is the only person dumb enough to kiss a bird(turkey) during burd flu season

Honestly I would probably have given up after a day if kanjidamage didn't make everything so hilarious

>>376320326
No it isn't you fucking retard
What the fuck is even the basis for the bullshit you're spouting

>>376311459
If it doesn't, you should start worrying.

>>376320000
確かに。韓国人と中国人は欧米人と比べてメキメキと上達していくよなぁ。まぁ個人差はあるけどねぇ。

>>376320403

I begun learning kanji through kanjidamage but then realized learning kanji on its own is absolutely useless aside from some very rare cases.

Vocab is where the real learning's at.

>>376318278
It was really weird seeing 登鸛雀樓 in the new prey game, felt so smug that I know how to read that shit

>>376319672
De arimasu

Lot of talk about the worst kanji, but what's your favorite?

I really like 湖 because of the mental image I have in my head, but I also really like 忍 - “heart under hidden blade” and all that.

>>376320326

My friend's old man learned Piano later in his 60's. I've played some pieces with him ever since he started, you'd think he was a virtuoso that started playing since childhood.

>>376320628
>not de gozaru

>>376320000
とはいえ、あいつらはgookとchinkとして生きていかなければならないので、つらかろう。

>>376320395
Well, yeah pronouns are generally omitted in Japanese (or replaced with any other possible noun), that is in no way special for watashi or any other one. It has fuck all to do with gender here though - male or female, you generally don't use pronouns if you can avoid it: overuse of pronouns looks childish or weirdly affectionate. It applies equally to women and men, and to all possible pronouns, first, second or third person alike.
There is nothing gay about using Watashi, 90% of Japanese mature men use that and only that outside of company of friends or crime syndicates. What makes you look foolish, regardless of which one you are using, is just that you are using it too often, when most of the time it could be omitted.

>>376320592
Yeah, to me kanji is a pre-requisite to learning the vocab proper. Like learning the letters before you learn the language, y'know? I'm actually going through two anki decks at the same time right now, one for the vocabulary (kunyomi <-> meaning, jukugo <-> meaning) and one for the kanji itself (kanjidamage).

That said, kanjidamage also does a good job of including the various words that use a kanji, it just doesn't explicitly force you to learn them. What I sort of miss in other decks is the way kanjidamage will explain to you what words mean to actual people, rather than just what the dictionary says; and stuff like what words could be offensive or start a fight if you say them at the wrong time.

>>376318339
pls help
should I just drop anki?

>>376319471
Now that I googled it was a lot shorter than I remembered, but this was the example that stuck to me when I was a still EoP and hadn't learned Japanese. Local anime mag's review mentioned the name of some anime being based on this.

>桃ももも 腿もももまた 百ももも 桃腿百と ももも色々
>ももももももももももまたもももももももももももともももいろいろ

there's also other ones
>スモモも桃も桃のうち
>すもももももももものうち

>裏庭には二羽、庭には二羽鶏がいる
>うらにわにはにわにわにはにわにわとりがいる

>母は「はは」、母の母は「ははは」と笑う
>はははははははのははははははとわらう

>瓜売りが瓜売りにきて、瓜売り残し、売り売り帰る瓜売りの声
>うりうりがうりうりにきてうりうりのこしうりうりかえるうりうりのこえ

>>376318339
what is this?

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>>376309149
>implying i can learn anything
>implying i am not a retarded fucking brainlet NEET
;_;

>>376320951
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher

>>376320516
あと俺が思ったのは、歌を歌うのが好きな人は発音を正しくできる傾向がある気がする。クリスハートの日本語は滅茶苦茶上手い。

>>376312772
>情弱
I don't know why but whenever this word came up in chaos;child it made me laugh.

>>376320031
>not アノン先輩
>not 日本語を勉強します.頑張ります。

Do you even Nippon?

>>376320947
Anki is one of the best learning methods imo and learning radicals will probably help since many related kanji share the same radicals.
That said, it's up to you if you want to give up or not.

No, I'm happy with the localized versions.

>>376320951
Honestly these are far more comprehensible when spoken compared to the Chinese ones because of pitch accent

>>376321368
Yeah, I took a beginner course in Chinese as well and heard a native teacher pronounce the shishishi poem. And even disregarding tones and shit the consonants themselves in general are true hell.

>>376320679
互 is pretty cool
哭 is also kinda neat because it looks like an actual crying face

>>376320403
>推 (sui) “infer/deduce”: based on the way my hand feels on your cock (turkey), I can infer/deduce that your cum will taste SWEEt.

for some reason this reminds me of that super autist posting his excell chart of smash bro puns to say with his gf.

someone pls post it.

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>>376320679
姦

>>376320403
寂 (jaku) “lonely”: the guy with the small erect dick is the king of jacking off

>>376321229
私はまだ学んでいる!

>>376320679
囚; used pretty much exclusively in the word 囚人 (meaning's pretty self-explanatory).

Also, 繭 (cocoon) is really fucking neat when you break it down; the uppermost component refers to grass or nature or something along those lines. Next, within the enclosure, you have the character for thread in the left half, and the one for bug in the right half.

>>376320395
>If you are a male and use watshi too much, you sound literally gay.

It's really weird because it would sound very gay/girly for a male adolescent to use it but once in adulthood totally manly men can use it just fine - obviously in formal situations, but in fiction at least not so formal situations as well.

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>>376320682
>not sanzu

>>376321670
Reminds me of 正, which I like writing because it's so fun (due to the alternating stroke order)

>>376321889
>first jukugo kanjidamage taught me was 死姦
>second was 液晶
I sure am glad I signed up for this meme deck

>>376322123
I met a native kendo teacher once. Always referred to himself with 俺 and when I asked about more formal situations with 目上の人 he said he defaults to either 僕 or 私 and that both are okay to use.

But like the other anon said, in Japanese you should generally omit subject.

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>>376322129
>not dasu

お前らが何を言おうとしても僕は「僕」を使う。

>>376320403
My mental image for 始 is putrid sex object (don't google it)

>>376310140
but you'll never be a loli, anon

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>>376322697
>not degeso

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CHING CHONG RICE DONG

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>>376322802
>le funny sound mimi lmao

>>376309149
I don't play weeb games

>>376317520
Having the capability to properly communicate with people, and also having the drive to communicate with them, is literally the exact opposite of autism.

>>376309149
はい。 ゲームソフトの原語版を遊びたいから、日本語のべんきょうしている。

>>376309636
うそだ! おまえは怠け者でしょう

>>376323037
Thanks for getting in the thread and letting us know

>>376322992
Fuck you

>>376309149
No, I didn't learn Polish to play the best game of the century.

日本語で話をします

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Post your favorite kanji!

城

>>376323564
せんでええや

>>376323342
Are you actually 13?

韓国人を殺します

>>376323626
I like the Kane family. (e.g. 金銀鐵鋼). Although I'm not sure why they didn't use the 白 and 黒 bushu for 銀 and 鐵.

>>376314892
Keep it up, I'll do it eventually too

How do I properly learn Kanji? I feel like it never sticks no matter what I do. I can barely memorize 100 of them, so how am I supposed to know 2000 to be literate?

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>>376323626
孿

>>376323993
kanji.koohii.com

>>376323993
Read stuff -> keep seeing kanji -> eventually they stick to your head

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>>376322796
>not nyu

>>376323037
>I deliberately entered a thread about stuff i don't like to leave a useless statement

>>376324105
I want to commit many crimes

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どのように日本語ができる西洋友達を見つけますか

>>376324265
not on my watch

>>376323993
My advice is that instead of trying to memorize every kanji, try to learn common words (particularly verbs and adjectives) that uses them instead. A lot of the more obscure kanji tend to only show up in really technical writing. Unless you're an underwater enthusiast, I doubt you will ever use 浬 in a regular context.

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>>376324105
>not Wagahai

>>376309636
This is what weebs actually believe

>>376323993
DJT and fags on anonymous anime picture forums will tell you that it's a waste of time, but seriously, do Remembering the Kanji (RTK) or some equivalent method. If you do 25 new cards per day (should be less than an hour per day) you will be done in 3 months.

If you can, find a deck that provides example words that use the kanji, so that you won't end up mixing up stuff like 暖 熱 暑 that have approximately the same meanings.

t. did RTK and have never struggled with or mixed up kanji ever since.

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>>376321045
出来ないのか?