>just found out i dont own my steam games im only renting them

>>376306983
Basically yuh.

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>just found out that all my games are pirated and who gives a shit
Read the ToS faggot

Not that the consolefags and their day one patches are much different

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and i keep my pirated games forever

>>376306983
>just found out i dont own my physical games im only renting them

>>376306983
but you can rent them until 2030.

>>376307152
this doesn't even make any sense.

>>376306983
They need to keep Steam online forever. If it ever goes down, nobody will buy a digital game on PC for the next 20 years.

>>376307291
That's why we need piracy. The only way to preserve games from extinction.

>>376307241
think of it they had it worse, tied the game to just 1 console machine

>>376307152
you can play the games offline without the patch + you actually own the game and you can share it, sell it etc

stop posting out your ass it just makes you look stupid and salty

>>376307241
There will be a day when we can no longer access the servers that allow us to download day one patches. The very same day one patches that have fixed game breaking bugs or glitches. There are gonna be a lot of game that are just going to be unplayable, or huge messes when this happens.

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>>376307213
>>376307152

Oh noes anons!! You mean the companies and police are coming to revoke all my old games and cartridges?? Shit! When are they coming??

ITS ALL FUCKED ANONS. YOUR CLASSIC PHYSICAL GAMES? IT'S BEEN REVOKED! HELP US ALL! JUST LIKE THAT TIME THAT DIGITAL GAME SCOTT PILGRIM WAS TAKEN AWAY FOREVER! THAT WILL BE OUR PHYSICAL COPIES TOO.

>going to die someday
>want my daughter to inherit my steam library
>Gaben's Ghost appears and says "No" because I didn't give him my phone number

>>376306983
You don't own anything, your possessions are forfeit on the day you die.

you will likely die before steam does, don't trip

>>376307528

i own your moms pussy faggot

>>376307580
The end is coming better find out what God expects of you.

>>376307420
Hey Gen 7 was a fucking mistake anyway. Nothing of value was lost. The REAL shitters are games like SFV. Imagine how thats going to be one day. It's going to make zero sense and thats why its release format, a glorfied online lobby subject to change updates is a fucking mistake

>>376307632
my moms pussy owns your dick actually

>>376307580
No company is too big to fail or be sold to change and fail anon. Don't doubt that for a second.

>>376307718
>imma fuck your dick with this pussy you little shit. Your dick is getting fucked hard!

Nice.

>>376307718
i tried to fuck you're mom but she got me pinned down and put things in my butt

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>just found out modern games are trash and don't retain their value

>>376307773
that is fucking hot brother

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>>376307842

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>>376306983
>buy games on Steam
>pirate GoG releases
Now I can play my games on the only social gaming platform that matters and actually own them.

Steam is pretty much eternal at this point

Even if Gabe or his successor fuck up somehow. Someone else would just buy Steam.
And someone taking over means that you keep your shit.

Too big to fail.

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>>376307768
>when she impales herself on your dick

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>>376306983
But if you've downloaded them already, then Steam can't do shit besides wipe your achievements
Hell I back some of them up anyway, since I like to mod little things out/in like custom sound files

>>376307920
Never too big to fail idiot.

Console games are exactly the same. You might own the physical disk, but you're still renting the license to play the game, which Sony, M$ or Nintendo can revoke at any time and for any reason.

>>376307580
Will Steam actually ever die

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>>376307926

>>376307946
Keep telling yourself that, dumbfuck. Steam will be around long after your entire bloodline has vanished from the face of the Earth.

>>376307152
>b-but consoles
gabecucks everyone

>>376307986
Will facebook?

>>376306983
>Download games
>Identify games that use DRM
>Locate DRM removal patches

Its actually not a big deal, most Steam games on Linux doesn't use Valve's DRM, let alone 3rd party DRM like Denuvo even when the Windows version had it.

All of your games on all of your systems are technically licensed.
>But I own physical disks for my other games!
And you do for your Steam games. It's called a hard disk.
>But Valve can change the data at any time!
It's called backups and cracks--two things consoles can't do. And it's not like companies haven't been able to alter the console's rules at will for over a decade.

>>376306983
NOOOOOOOOO
DELETE THIIIIS

>>376306983
Nice false flag autist.

You technically don't own your console games too.

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>>376307974
Oh shit! They are coming for us anon!!! They could come and take away my Yakuzies at ANYTIME! HOLY SHIT! MUH RARE GAMES!

You fucking bellend anon.

>>376308026
Death and/or taxes anon. Enjoy putting all your eggs in one basket though. The rainy days just never come for giants eh?

I just found out if I buy music I dont own rights to it.

What the fuck, guys?!

>>376308358
wtf i hate itunes now

>>376307378
You still don't own the game.

All you have is a dvd/bllu ray disc with a game license on it.

>>376308248
Once they are out there they are out there. I can atill buy fucking gensis, SNES, N64, PS2 what ever thr fuck and they still work, and no one can stop us.

>>376307986
Windows 10 S is incapable of running Steam.
It will be the standard version of Windows and represent the majority of installs by the time Windows 7 is EOL.

That will kill Steam, at least on Windows.
Part of why Gaben is pouring money into Linux like crazy.

>>376306983
console cucks spend £40 on game

i get it for £15 in steam sales 2 months later

>b-b-but you're only renting it until forever!

>>376306983
>Not knowing that you literally never own games, just purchase a licence to use them
>It effects consolefags too
>the only way to own a game is pirate it

>>376307974
>which Sony, M$ or Nintendo can revoke at any time and for any reason

No, they can't. They also can't stop you from transferring that license, that's why the second hand market exists.

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>>376306983
>JUST found out now

>>376307378
>argue semantics
>get salty when someone turns it around ,on you

>>376308441
If that's the case nobody is going to stop me from pirating the game in case anything happens to Steam too.

Literally everybody that plays on PC and own games on steam knows that Steam is only a service.

The thing is that the majority of PC gamers like Steam, that's why they buy games there.

>>376307580
Earth will fucking die thirty seconds from now mark my post.

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>disc gets damaged
>have to buy the game again
physicucks, everyone

>>376308248
>>376308502
see >>376308027

>>376306983
Pirates win again.
Are buyfags the biggest cucks in the universe?

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>>376308438
But i can buy a physical thing second hand. I couldnt sell you my digital copy of Scott Pilgrim vs the world if i fucking wanted to. And as i understand it ou wont find it on your digital store anymore because you were too late and one publisher isn't getting their dues anymore so they took their ball and went the fuck home.

If they could every company would round up your physical media by gunpoint the moment they stopped printing them. But they fucking cant so hah.

Situations like Scott pilgrim the game show that they WILL fucking cut you off if they know digital is your only means. Every selling of a preowned physical game is fucking piracy to them and i love it.

>>376308502
and I can buy console games second hand 2 months later for $10

>>376307378
I can sell my steam account

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>>376308680
Stip dragging your knuckels you baboon, i have a release copy of Resident Evil 2 from 1998 that i scratch free. All of my N64 carts are fine. Sounds like you are a hypothetical monkey to me.

>>376308680

Most publishers run a replacement service. Send them the busted disc and they send you a replacement for a "nominal fee".

>Most of /v/ rightfully shits on origins
>Most of these same people will try and justify gabbens jewery
I liked the Internet better when people hated steam

>>376308618
>no u
I'm just pointing out the obvious I mean it's not like you can prove me wrong

>>376307291
nothing is forever . the day will come when gaben dies,steam dies, we die

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you actually don't own any piece of software, but a license to use them

>>376308278
I can put my Steam games on dvd or blu ray discs and It'll be just the same faggot

>>376308994
And when you need to sign in?

>>376306983
how long am I renting them for

>>376309067
Just fucking download a crack if that's the case.

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>>376306983
This would never happen if you played only good games on the Bethsda launcher.

>>376309148
>just
>just
>JUST

You know, ive noticed that when the PC brigade are inconvinenced your fucked around it's always "just". PC is always the most convinent until its absolutley not.

>"what? You can't JUST troubleshoot your fixes for games? Whats 15 minutes? The most i ever spent sorting out a single game was JUST over 1 hour holy shit.

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>You JUST need to pirate the game when you can't use it anymore
JUST

>>376308994

Steam installer doesn't work offline. And contrary to popular belief just copying the game directory does not always work. Next time you try to run the game straight from the directory you may find it depends on application data not present, registry entries that don't exist, random third party libraries you didn't know you needed and now don't know which version to get even if you can find the installer for them, etc., etc.

Game installers install more than what is just in their directory.

>>376308278
Try reading the licensing agreement for your games.
Make modifications to the code of that game you """own"""? Banned. Say something mean to another player over the Internet on """your""" game? Banned.

You are allowed exactly one instance of one copy of your game. If you actually had ownership of the games you could crack the game open, take all the assets, music, and more, and resell all of it later on. But you can't, because you're operating on a license that can and will be revoked at the slightest inconvenience.

>>376309482
FUCKING THIS.
I am so fucking sick and tired of consolecucks acting like just because they own the games physically they have any more ownership of games than PC

>>376309290
Open Platform
> Have a problem
> Here's a solution
> Get on with life

Closed Platform
> Have a problem
> There is no solution
> You're fucked

I'm sure you'll be much happier once Windows is locked down and basically just an Xbox, but the rest of us won't be.

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>>376309482
THEY ARE COMING I TELL YOU!!!! THEY ARE COMING TO TAKE MY PHYSICAL GAMES! THEY CAUGHT ME MID TRANSACTION WITH A POTENTIAL BUYER!! WE TRIED TO MOD THEIR SHIT TOO, THE FUCKING KNEW?! REEEEEEEEEEEEER

>>376309615
>Closed Platform
>Have a problem
>There is no solution
>You're fucked

When? Can't recall a single time i got fucked, but i mainly play on gen 6 and earlier consoles so...

>>376308680
Is this true? Do you really not get another disc for free? Jesus Christ, how cucked do you have to be to pay 60 dollars for a thin piece of plastic?

>>376307420
this honestly scares me.

>>376309618
>>376307512
Is this what people call "autistic screeching"?

>>376307842
>just found out modern games are trash and don't retain their value
it's actually really impressive how little value games hold

>>376309751
>Is this what people call "not an argument"?

Do you eat shit?

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>pirate
Feels good.

you people are obsessed with trying to feel superior to others

>>376309751
It's called ironic shitposting, fucking newfag.

>>376309831
Not an argument, much like the strawman >>376309618 is making.

>>376309849
Yup. That is /v/ is. Our fathers were either distant, not there or fucked us in our assess. Pick one.

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>>376309618
Consolecucks are always hilarious

S S-TOP BUYING GAMES ON S S-STEAM ANON YOU DON'T ACTUALLY O O-WN YOUR GAMES!!!

>>376309863
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Lurk more.

>>376309434
> Next time you try to run the game straight from the directory you may find it depends on application data not present,
All the game files with Steam should be contained within their /SteamApps directory. Its only your local saves that would be in your user's home.

>registry entries that don't exist,
Windows-only problem. Non-issue everywhere else.

>random third party libraries you didn't know you needed and now don't know which version to get even if you can find the installer for them, etc., etc.
Also sounds like non-issue, that kind of dependency issue should be solved automatically by your package manager.
Windows has finally caught up and has one of those these days, you should learn how to use it.

>>376309482

Have you ever actually read one of these supposed console game license agreements? 99% of it is just stuff about warranty, copyright, etc. That shit is the law. Usage licenses only come up when services come into play, e.g. the online components to the game.

>If you actually had ownership of the games you could crack the game open, take all the assets, music, and more, and resell all of it later on.
You do understand the difference between ownership of a product and copyright, right? And technically I can resell all the assets, music, etc. I just have to do it all at once when I sell my copy of the game to someone else.

>>376309903
But he's right.
I'm pretty sure most people only buy Steam games to show them off and unlock trophies anyway.

>>376309865
>strawman
>that

What you mean like >>376309482 who suggests there is a situation where i could be "banned" for trying to sell on my N64 cart licence to third parties thereby breaking my agreement with them? How will that work exactly by the way? Why are you not breaking down the flaws in HIS argument by the way? Pretty bias if you ask me.

Anyway, argument on my own merit is: i own a physical console and want to sell it or mod it WHAT THE FUCK are the powers that be gonna fucking do eh?

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>not buying physical console games and buying your PC games on GoG / pirating them when not available on GoG

>>376309895
Mine just always looks at his watch when I try talking to him.

>>376309903
No we aren't, do what ever the fuck you want but fon't get mad at us for having choice to go physical or digital and acting like the fucking gestapo will come and take my physical copy because a publisher may not have dues from the digital version (LIKE SCOTT PILGRIM)

>>376310153
Probably wants/wanted to fuck your ass desu

>>376310079
I don't know, what do the powers that be do when they find out that you didn't pay your taxes or your rent?
But here's the thing, no one will ever find out that you modded a console. Much like no one will ever find out if you crack your games for convenience's sake.
So what you're doing isn't legal, and you don't own your games, but you will never be punished for breaching a licence.

>>376309687
Are you seriously attempting to claim that modern consoles are trouble free?
Never had a red ring, or the yellow light?
Or a firmware update that went wrong?
Or a game that got scratched?

Walled gardens are great as long as everything works like its supposed to.
As soon as it doesn't you're usually looking at the warranty.

>>376310369
So what the fuck are any of us even arguing about. GO BACK TO YOU VIDYA BOYS.

>>376310190
Nobody cares. Keep buying your shitty physical games and living in the cave with all of that junk.

I'll keep my games digital and in case something happens to Steam I'll have backups on my HDD.

>>376308478
The fuck is Windows 10 S? I really really really hope Linux becomes relevant not just for gaming but for video and audio production (Photoshop, Ableton, Premiere etc) so that M$ can fuck off already. However It seems that SteamOS is moving at a snail's pace

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>>376310383
>Never had a red ring

No i don't xbox.

>or the yellow light?

No.

Or a firmware update that went wrong?

Bricked from updates? No.

>Or a game that got scratched?

I take care of my shit so no. Pic related is my release copy of Tekken tag. Still works 100%

>>376309984
>All the game files with Steam should be contained within their /SteamApps directory. Its only your local saves that would be in your user's home.
Should. Doesn't mean are.

>Windows-only problem. Non-issue everywhere else.
Most of the world uses Windows. Other platforms have their own specific issues.

>Also sounds like non-issue, that kind of dependency issue should be solved automatically by your package manager.
>Windows has finally caught up and has one of those these days, you should learn how to use it.
Oh, you're a Linux snob. Microsoft solved the library conflict issue long before Linux did so shove your arrogance up your ass. Does Steam even use a standard package manager on SteamOS or is it some proprietary shit which means your dependency issues are just as bad on Linux as it is on Windows without Steam to install shit for you?

>>376306983
>Steam for whatever reason decides to take back the games everyone is renting from them
>Everyone more or less stops using Steam
>Steam no longer gets any money because people aren't going to use a service that revokes your access to a game you paid for when you could just as easily pirate said game free of charge
>Valve no longer makes any money ever again
Yeah man, I'm really worried that's gonna happen. I'll have to spend a whole couple hours re-downloading my games!

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>>376310445
>i don't have the choice
>so you are basically a hoarder

Fuck off with that false argument shit anon. Want me to do that too? OH LOOK! THIS MUST BE YOU WITH DIGITAL ONLY:

>>376307420
You can download them off the Internet, put them on a flash drive and manually update the game then.

>>376306983
Welcome to every media purchase you've ever made dumbfuck

>>376310696
Why the fuck you I buy a physical gam eon PC even if they were still being sold?

I don't play cases or dvd you fucking autist I play the game. A useless dvd or blu ray case standing in my shelf will do nothing for me.

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>>376309482
ie: Millennial faggot buttboys who purposefully misconstrew the terminology of "ownership" in order to make their own poor decisions in life more appealing to exactly themselves - that by spending money on steam/similar service titles they run the risk of losing access to any and all titles they spent money on to access, whereas those who purchased physical copies can continue to enjoy their purchases (or even, gasp, resell!!) long after support for the platform has ended.

Stay mad, millennial faggot buttboys

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>>376310962
>Why the fuck you I buy a physical gam eon PC even if

Anon?? Are you ok?

>>376310962
That data on your computer is also sitting there useless until you do something with it. Just like a physical game.

Fucking retard.

>>376311093
This.

>Really like a series
>Set out to get all installments of it
>In the end the only thing you have to show for it even as a fan of the series is couple of extra icons on your library page
Thanks digital...I love it for the convenience and cheap pricing...Woo...

>>376311093
So what? At least is not physically occupying space besides my HDD.

>>376311310
This IS an enthusiasts board anon. It makes sense that a lot here would like the physical.

>>376310569
>Does Steam even use a standard package manager on SteamOS or is it some proprietary shit
SteamOS is Debian, it works the same way it does on every other Linux distro.

>Should. Doesn't mean are.
They literally can't write outside of them except to pre-designated directories.
Pretty sure that's not just a Linux thing, you wouldn't want random games writing to System32 either.

>Most of the world uses Windows.
False, most of the world now uses Android/Linux

>Microsoft solved the library conflict issue long before Linux did
LOL, Windows hasn't even had a package manager until recently unless you count googling for DLLs
And their attempt at a command line sucked so badly they had to adopt Bash
Windows is still miles behind Linux when it comes to cool stuff to prevent conflicts like containerization

>>376310147
>buying GoG
Literally a waste of money. I bet you only actually took one from the absentee bowl at Halloween.

>>376311418
Physical copies are fine, but you need to be aware of the limitations of it. Even with a physical collection you should be backing it up the same way you would with a digital collection.

>>376311446
>Going out to get candy at Halloween
>Not sitting inside with the curtain drawn and just eating your own candy

>>376311446
>supporting a company that provides a good service is a waste of money
fuck off commie

>>376311431
>SteamOS is Debian, it works the same way it does on every other Linux distro.
So Steam has absolutely no security measures whatsoever to prevent the free distribution of Steam packages? They are just standard packages? Nothing proprietary at all? I find that very hard to believe.

>They literally can't write outside of them except to pre-designated directories.
Steam bypasses Windows security by operating as a service. You've give it read and write access to your entire computer when you install it, that's why it can and does scan your entire computer for "voluntary survey purposes", and for anything else you'll just get a UAC pop up asking for the access which everyone is just going to allow.

>LOL, Windows hasn't even had a package manager until recently unless you count googling for DLLs
>And their attempt at a command line sucked so badly they had to adopt Bash
>Windows is still miles behind Linux when it comes to cool stuff to prevent conflicts like containerization
You sound like some wannabe hacker douche. Do you actually know anything about what you are talking about?

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>>376306983
funny thing is ive kept them on storage for preservation even though i had some of them on steam

pic related

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>>376311628
Not thst begging kids is a social highlight of our lives but thst sounds kind of lonley anon...

>>376307187

And we can just pirate them at any time too. wew man

>Be a digitalcuck
>You don't actually own the game, you just rent it

>Be a physical wageslave
>Disk is damage, you can't play the game again

>Be pirate masterrace
>Own the game forever. Can download it as many times as I want without fear of ever losing it.

Ayy lmao.

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>he doesn't own physical copies of all his games
Wow.

>>376311972
Until nobody is seeding it anymore.

>>376311431
>False, most of the world now uses Android/Linux
get your fucking head out of your ass

>>376311961
Prophet are one of the best repackers out there, everything packed nicely in a iso, latest updates, all dlc, all languages and most even free of drm

>>376306983
Call me when steam actually has a risk of failing
Then I'll just pirate all my games back

>>376312050
>Be a physical wageslave
>All you get is a steam code, the game is still locked behind DRM and can be taken away any time
Fixed that for you.

>>376312501
>Steam is too big to fail

It doesn't even really need to fail. They just need to become scumbaggy enough that you don't want to deal with them anymore, e.g. Gabe has announced that paid mods will be a thing whether we want it or not.

Do you know there was once a time when Ubisoft was a good publisher? How about Activision? Nokia used to rule mobile phones. Nothing lasts forever.

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>>376306983
>buy game
>it's get taken away from you because you didn't bother reading the ToS
>lost money

>pirate game
>????
>profit

Humm...

>>376310518
It's Windows 10, except you can ONLY use Edge as your browser and ONLY run shit from the Windows Store.
Doesn't that sound great?

>>376312829
once that happens, hopefully someone better will start to take over

>>376309482
you can't resell assets, its stated in every copyright agreement. They are part of the software as one. You aren't allowed to 'crack' it open nor reverse engineering.

>>376311867
>So Steam has absolutely no security measures whatsoever to prevent the free distribution of Steam packages?
Same deal as on Windows, games can use Valve's DRM, but its optional. On Linux at least most don't and for the ones that do its fairly trivial to remove.

>Steam bypasses Windows security by operating as a service
Sounds like a Windows problem. Anything in userspace should be able to be managed by the OS. Though the restriction I'm talking about is something Steam itself does. That's why you have to define directories for it to use games run through Steam shouldn't be able to write outside of them.

Are you really unaware of how ahead Linux is when it comes to modern stuff like containers, and why Microsoft had to add their Linux subsystem? I don't have time to educate you on all the specifics, but there are a lot of good reasons why Windows is basically last place in every market other than legacy home desktops.

>>376306983
That sounds bad until you realize that consolebabbys are forbidden to loosen even one (1) screw in their much beloved console. Master race may not own the games in the consolebabbys' definition of owning, but they certainly own the platform in the objective sense.

>>376313204

It's just reduced functionality Windows designed for idiots who are scared of computers, schools, tablets, etc. Microsoft have been doing different versions of Windows with varying functionality for decades, this is not new. It's not going to become the standard Windows version, Microsoft rely too heavily on the business world for their revenue and the business world uses a lot of custom software that they aren't going to be distributing on the Windows Store.

>>376307986
Sega did die, and so did Atari.

As for Steam, the more likely final fate would be acquired by some (even more) heartless corporation and integrated to their content delivery system.

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>>376312829
>Nokia used to rule mobile phones.
Funny that you bring that up, the only reason they're not on top anymore is Microsoft gave them billions of dollars to drop their Linux based efforts, put their guy in charge, converted them to Windows and drove them into the ground.
All because the N900 and its descendants were too great a threat.

That's where we are now with them launching Windows 10 S. The desktop as we know it with games able to be run from Steam, or from physical media has become too great of a threat to their ambitions.

>>376313648
There are tools for businesses to manage the Windows Store for employees to remove software they don't want available, and add custom internal software.
The Business market isn't going to save you. They want this.

Remember the last time Microsoft massively pissed off the business market by dropping support for a ton of legacy software? Did the businesses of the world rise up and destroy Microsoft?
No they just switched to FreeDOS, or DOSbox on top of another OS.

>>376313631
Nobody actually cares though, and you act like moddedd anc chipped consoles don't exist.

>>376313548
>Same deal as on Windows, games can use Valve's DRM, but its optional. On Linux at least most don't and for the ones that do its fairly trivial to remove.
No, it's not the same deal. Steam does not install games via a standard windows installer, it has a proprietary installer. If you want to install a Steam game on Windows you HAVE to do it via Steam and you HAVE to have access to that game with your Steam account and Steam will not believe you do unless you are online. I think I'm pretty safe in assuming it works exactly the same on Linux.

>Sounds like a Windows problem.
No, it's not a Windows problem. That is like complaining that having superuser privilege in Linux allows you to do anything and that is a problem. It's by design. The only problem is Valve don't need to do what they do, they just want to have access to everything on your computer for their own nefarious purposes and this is the way you get access like that without the user getting a UAC popup to alert them.

>Are you really unaware of how ahead Linux is when it comes to modern stuff like containers, and why Microsoft had to add their Linux subsystem?
I'm aware enough to know Microsoft implemented a conflict solution before Linux did. You aren't, it seems. Legacy support is a really big deal to Microsoft, they bend over backwards to maintain it. The Linux world doesn't give a shit, if a new version of something breaks compatibility with something else then it's just assumed someone in the community will fix that something. Microsoft doesn't get away with that.

>>376313463
but you can resell it. your understanding of how things work is bleak at best.

>>376306983
I can still pirate my favorite games if all of steams data blows up. On top of that steam has said they will remove the DRM when they one day close. Your move console fags

>>376314963
>On top of that steam has said they will remove the DRM when they one day close.
They cannot do that. It's the developer's decision.

>>376314963
>On top of that steam has said they will remove the DRM when they one day close.

Gabe once said that as an offhand comment. The Steam subscriber agreement says you get fuck all if Steam ceases operation. Which one of those do you think is closer to being legally binding?

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Steam won't die in our lifetime I guarantee it

>>376315180
Gaben owns steam.
Written agreements can be changed in minutes.

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I know everyone ITT is a fucking retard, but allow me to explain:

Information can be replicated at next to no cost.

Video games, like all other software, are information. An organization of 1's and 0's.

As a result, software (including video games) would cost nothing if it were sold like a normal physical commodity.

This is where the idea of licensing came in. Rather than selling the data, which is not at all scarce and can be reproduced at no cost, they sell permission to execute the code on a computer. Note: this has been how software "ownership" has functioned since software has been a thing

When you purchase a physical copy of a game, on a cartridge or a disk, you are buying the physical storage medium with a license tied to the storage itself - the holder of the storage medium has a license to run the software as long as it is in their possession.

When you purchase a digital copy of a game, you are buying a limited license directly from the IP owner or a contracted reseller.

Unless you hold the copyright on a piece of software, you do not own it. You have never owned a piece of software in your life, OP.

>>376315663
Not in the legal meaning of ownership, sure.
But before DRM, if I held a CD in my hand I could continue to use it no matter what. I could resell it if I wanted to because it was not tied to an account.
This is not the case anymore.

>>376316130
>I could resell it
That's actually up for debate, you could conceivably be taken to court for it and the court would have had to make a very difficult decision.

>>376315663

You forget to mention that the license of use is implicit in the physical product and inseparable and that license is transferable, hence the secondhand console game market exists. The same is not true for digital copies, hence no secondhand Steam game market exists.

To put it simply, in the eyes of the law, if it's a physical copy you own that copy even if you don't own the copyright. If it's a digital copy you own fuck all.

>>376316424
But I did cover that.

With a digital copy you as a person own the license

With a physical copy the storage medium carries with it a generic license.

I said that.

>>376316202
It's an easy decision, actually.

>>376307986
ASK SONIC TOTEM

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>not throwing away your games after you beat them or spent hundreds of hours on them

What are you a horder or something?

>>376316541

Let me ask you this, do you believe a book involves a license to read it? A lawnmower involves a license to operate it? Usage is implicit in the purchase of the product.

Talking about usage licenses in regards to physical game copies as if it's a meaningful thing is a little silly. Usage licenses did not become a thing because of IP that is easy to replicate, copyright and patents already cover that. In regards to console games the only time a usage license is going to be pertinent is when talking about the use of services, e.g. online.

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>>376317429
>Let me ask you this, do you believe a book involves a license to read it?
It absolutely 100% does.

>A lawnmower involves a license to operate it?
Lawnmowers cannot be replicated infinitely at no cost, they are a normal commodity and do not require a license to operate.

>Usage is implicit in the purchase of the product.
Software is not a product. The product you are purchasing is a license.

> Usage licenses did not become a thing because of IP that is easy to replicate, copyright and patents already cover that
Yes, copyrights cover replication and usage rights with licenses you fucking moron.

>>376318014
Paper costs money. Books cannot be reproduced infinitely at no cost.
>b-but paper is just a medium and cheaper than the intellectual property
The steel that the lawnmower is made of is just a medium and cheaper than the research cost of the lawnmower.

>>376307420
Yeah I don't plan on living my life around video games when I'm in my 30s lol maybe, I don't know, get a real hobby and grow up when that happens?

>Steam is going to die
>download all the good Steam games worth keeping
>keep Steam in offline mode permanently
Problem solved.

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>>376318317
>Books cannot be reproduced infinitely at no cost.
There's this great new thing called a computer, it can hold text files. It's a pretty revolutionary device.

>>376318525
>computer getting slow
>have to wipe hard drive
>all vidya lost forever

>>376318420
>he thinks he's just going to stop wanting to play video games one day
Remember, you're here forever.

>>376318654
>having to wipe hard drive
What
I didn't wipe my hard drive for five years and it's still doing fine.

>>376318014
>It absolutely 100% does.
No, it doesn't. Usage is implicit in the purchase.

>Lawnmowers cannot be replicated infinitely at no cost, they are a normal commodity and do not require a license to operate.
Lawnmowers are not commodities, they are manufactured products. Implicit usage does not depend on something being a valuable physical product of limited quantity.

>Software is not a product. The product you are purchasing is a license.
Software is a product. In the same way you have an implicit right to usage when you purchase a book you have an implicit right to usage when you purchase software.

>Yes, copyrights cover replication and usage rights with licenses you fucking moron.
Usage rights and copyrights are not the same thing. One is the law of the land, the other is a contract. When you buy a product the manufacturer cannot just revoke permission to use it on a whim whether it's physical or not. What they can do is make that product dependent on a service and then revoke access to that service. In the old days that service was something like a maintenance service, these days it's an online service.

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>>376319124
>source: my butthole
Talk to a lawyer, anon.

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>>376319124
>when you purchase software
You never purchase software. Purchasing software would mean gaining all rights to distribution, modifications, etc., etc.

You purchase a license.

You're retarded and the law doesn't magically conform to your biases, kid.

>>376318804
>he still plays video games
>he hasn't gotten completely bored and worn out on all his games new and old
>he hasn't lost all drive to attempt new games for more than 20 minutes
>he doesn't solely come to /v/ to trash talk and spread his misery on others and try to make them as bitter and jaded as he
Its cute you still think you'll always have an escape though kiddo

>>376307986
don't worry GOG will eventually buy Steam and merge its accounts with it, CDP is going to take over the world

>>376319240

Sorry, but you are just wrong on this.

If you believe that console games involve a usage license then fucking post one. Shouldn't be hard to find one online, right? And don't post some shit about online services or the usual spiel about copyright law, I want an actual usage license that specifically covers under what conditions you are allowed to play the game.

>>376306983
I own physical copies of all my favorite games, despite only playing the steam version.
I don't know that steam will still be up 20 years from now, but I'll probably want to play New Vegas again sometime in the next 20 years.

>>376319810
Without mods?

>>376319346
>You never purchase software. Purchasing software would mean gaining all rights to distribution, modifications, etc., etc.

So I didn't purchase my computer because I don't also own all the patent involved too? Did Intel just license me the ability to use their CPU?

And don't bother saying HURR DURR IT'S PHYSICAL because that doesn't mean shit.

>>376312829
>paid mods will make you stop buying PC games
I'm glad the failstate for steam involves you being a huge whining cunt about a nonissue

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Are licenses considered ownership?

When I buy a car, I'm not entitled to reverse engineer it and make a new car in the exact same specification of it if I just so happen to own a factory.

Do I ever own a car?

Or try this with a food analogy that /v/irgins love so much: if I buy a burger from Wendy's and I'm so trained a cook that I can tell what is in something just by tasting it, am I allowed to recreate Wendy's recipe and sell it as "just like Wendy's"? If I do, what stops me from having Wendy's mascot in the package? That mascot was on the package of the burger I bought.

Did I own the burger that I buy?

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>>376319692
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license
https://news.xbox.com/2013/06/06/license/
https://doc.dl.playstation.net/doc/ps4-eula/ps4_eula_en.html

For fuck's sake, when you go on PS4 and try to play an installed console game without the disc in the game says you lack a valid license and to insert the disc

The option to restore software isn't called restore software, it's fucking called restore licenses

You're retarded.

Hey, here's one that applies to all sega games both physical and digital:
http://www.sega.com/EULA
Note how the first fucking words are THIS SOFTWARE IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD

>>376318654
Why would you wipe without backing up first?

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>>376319903
>So I didn't purchase my computer because I don't also own all the patent involved too?
I genuinely hope you're being purposefully obtuse here, because if you really don't understand the difference between information and physical products you're probably the dumbest motherfucker on 4chan.

>>376320117

No, it's just authorization.

>>376320117

Not really.

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You faggots can argue till the heat death of the universe doesn't change the fact that I still own my physical copy of Centipede and theres no DRM on an Atari 2600 so I can play it when the internet cuts out.

>>376320117
Licenses can be transferred, so yes.

>>376320475
>You faggots can argue till the heat death of the universe doesn't change the fact that I still own my physical copy of Centipede and theres no DRM on an Atari 2600 so I can play it when the internet cuts out.
Yes, you are correct. You own a physical copy that carries with it an inherent generic license.

Again: you own a physical copy of Centipede. That is not the same thing as owning Centipede.

>>376320245
What's the point? Copy back the backup and you're back to square 1.

>>376320165
>am I allowed to recreate Wendy's recipe and sell it
Yes. You can't copyright a recipe.

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I was thinking gog is a good service but I just realized gog is shit. Just bought 2 games at sale and I didnt like them, only played 10 minutes, I cant refund. Send me 5$ game is on sale from steam and I will give you my gog account that worth 20$

>>376320612
I dont care I dont pirate. Only piratefags care about that. I have my games and I can play them any time I want.

>>376319892
I could still do manual installs for a lot of mods.
But sure, I can still enjoy the game without mods.

>>376320242

You fucking retard. Most of your links are literally just implicit usage rights stuff, standard crap about copyright, warranty, etc. and terms of use for services.

The SEGA one is the closest you get to a real license and, unfortunately for you, the pertinent areas are 99% illegal bullshit. It's legitimately one of the most egregious example of a bullshit software "license" I've ever seen.

How's that?. When your license ends?.

>>376306983
Who cares though?
As long as I keep my entire steam library with the games I bought using the steam service, they can call it whatever they want, because I don't care since I have full access to my games.
The moment they try and take away my access to my games, thats when I simply stop buying games from valve and either sue them for taking away games I bought and see how far their "its just a license" rhetoric gets them, and/or I begin pirating games and cracking them to ensure that the games I paid for will always be available on my computer.

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>>376306983

>/v/ has nostalgia threads about blockbuster stores and renting games
>is angry and makes fun of steam long-term "rental" service

why is this board so painfully retarded? half of you must be underage