Redpill me on DAO

>>376306219
It's one of these games where most of it is good, but for some reason you don't feel anything while playing it.

>>376306219
It's one of those games where it was really fun to play, and you played it a couple times in a row, and put in a couple hundred hours.
But if you go back 7 years later you just don't really want to play it again.

You know?

Baldur's Gate for babies and Wheel of Time for retards.

Also it's the only good game in the entire licence.

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*blocks your path*

It's shit

>>376306810

>Not modding that shit out

Step up, anon

>>376306810
the fuck is that? I dodn't remember ever seeing that

>>376306523
>>376306669
christ almighty that is exactly it

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>>376307639
you do now

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>>376306810
>memorizing the perfect path to minimize time spent there

>>376306669
Origins is difficult to replay because you know the entire game and story back to back.

What made it incredible the first couple of playthrough and hundreds of hours was learning about this massively detailed world that was fleshed out with interesting characters.

And then you find out that there are many ways of playing and multiple types of endings depending on your choices.

Now you are in too deep. You know the "meta" way of maximising the best ending. You know exactly what dialogue to pick with each character in order to get the ending you want.

I wish I could forget everything about the game so I could start again.

Great game, phenomenal OST. One of my favourites, wish I could go back and play it for the first time.

>>376307972
>phenomenal OST
pretty forgettable desu senpai

>>376307740
Oh, it's like a custom map of the fade? I didn't remember it being set-up like that. I thought it was just a linear path.

setting is unappealing

gameplay is not really there

takes too long to get rolling

too many details to keep track of, none of which are important or difficult in any way

in other words, it's a completely typical AAA game

Boring as fuck. Retarded combat that tries too hard to be tacticool but would be 20 times better if it was turn-based instead of this poison to the world that is real time with pause.
Characters are boring, animations make every conversation feel stupid and fake. I'd kill for it to just have portraits with cool art instead of trying to make those dull 3d models pretend they're naturally having a conversation while waving their hands like autists.
Setting is stupid, item variety is nonexistant, areas are bland, music is forgettable, quests are annoying and they put links to DLC in NPC dialogues.

>>376306219
>Cons
Combat is boring
Character building isn't fun because all options feel kinda "spongy" where stuff doesn't make that much of an impact
Prestige classes are too specific for my tastes
Game needs multiclassing
Enemy types have little variation
Design is 60% good, 40% ugly
Lots of minor bugs like weapons clipping
level scaling in equipment and enemies
Dialogue is often a chore
Concepts like finding traps doesn't translate well into its format

>Pros
Soundtrack is decent
Characters are decent, all have their niche
When Dialogue is good, it's pretty good
Unit Scripting is a cool idea

eh, 5/10
people rate it higher because it was the first Fantasy RPG with a darker tone that didn't suck ass in a long time when it was released.

>>376308621
ah sorry, forgot about some things
>>376308602
mentioned
yeah,
item variety is ass
DLC links in Dialogue

yeah it was more like a 4~3/10 the more I remember of it.

>>376306219
A magnificent 3D RPG with an old school vibe to it, the last masterpiece of Bioware.

Often criticized for its combat but in comparison to the standards of today, its combat allows plenty creativity and is solid in general.

One of my favorite games of all time.

>>376306523
Is a person without a soul or emotions.

>>376308602
>Characters are boring

Name solid characters from other games, in your opinion.

> the graphics where bad even for the time it came out
> most companions weren't something special
> bonus items for preordering and shit were too powerful and broke the game (blood dragon armor etc)
> the fade was awful

besides that it was pretty decent, from what i remember at least, it's been years

>>376306219
last good bioware game

>>376309779
This.
All EA had the time to fuck up was the marketing and the DLC integration.

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>>376308621
my biggest con, no joke, is how ugly/impractical all of the weapons and armor look

and that only got worse with the sequels. pic related

>>376310327
this thread is about DA:O not the sequels. in da:o most the good equipment actually looked decent from what i remember

>>376306219

A great RPG that was supposed to be the start of an amazing series. Dragon Age had great lore, great companions, and the premise for a great adventure spanning across several titles. Unfortunately, after DA:O the downfall of Bioware began and we got DA2 and subsequently DA:I. The difference in tone, characters, and world building is staggering.

>>376308978
>in comparison to the standards of today, its combat allows plenty creativity and is solid in general
it wasn't good then and it isn't good now. You build one combo and repeat it forever, and the combos are pretty much "built in" by the devs.

>Is a person without a soul or emotions.
what a dumb statement

>Name solid characters from other games, in your opinion.
Not the anon you're replying to but
Stranger from Bastion
Kreia and Atton from KotoR2 (and HK47, but he is memorable more for his humor than for his character depth)
Milton from Talos Principle
Morty from Planet Escape: Tournament
Gauldoth Half-Death from HoMM4
Tarkus and Avitus from DoW2
Pretty much anyone from VtMB

>>376306810
I didn't find it that bad. But my autism kicked in and I had to go back and find all the hidden areas.

>>376306810
This was unironically my favorite part.
I played on hard mode as well.

>>376311125
Of course the combos are built-in by the devs, who else? Fucking idiot.

>Heroes & Dawn of War characters
Farewell my sides! Go get yourself an academic degree, uneducated piece of shit.

>>376311752
>Of course the combos are built-in by the devs, who else? Fucking idiot.
You know, like in a good game where they just provide a selection of options that all can interact with each other you dunce. Have you actually played video games besides Dragon Age?

>Farewell my sides! Go get yourself an academic degree, uneducated piece of shit.
Why are Bioware fans always without exception such drooling mongoloids? Do they use different plastics in the cases that cause brain damage or something?

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Bioware's last good game

+ Gameplay was pretty interestic strategically
- But it lacks any real feeling of weight and is often a drag
+ Game is pretty long and stays interesting in most spots
- But every crawl section is WAY too long. People keep posting the Fade meme but at least that fucks off after half an hour. The Deep Roads is pure agony
+ Decent choice system
- Some of the more unique and fun choices are unanimously hated by most of your party
+ A few good characters
- The ones with actually good skills are boring/whiney/terrible
+ Cool lore and setting
- Looks like shit
+ Individually great story arcs
- Overarching story is regular Bioware copy-paste ancient evil gotta gather your party affair

Don't play a fighter unless you're an insomniac looking for a cure

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>>376306810
Unironically one of the best parts of the game

One of them only times I've seen game design used to effectively convey the emotions of your character onto the player.

You actually feel like times distorted and you've been there forever while you are in the fade. Then the feeling of pieces falling into places after you start unlocking the nightmares and finding the different forms and shit.

Also Burning Man and Golem Form are hilariously fun tier

>Run into another golem
>Go golem form and play rockem sockem robots

>Run into a room full of darkspawn
>Aggro them all
>Cast fireball on myself
>Burning man has fire immunity
>My face as they fall to the ground in a circle around me
You can do the same thing with the golem boulder throw.

>>376308019
But anon. That's objectively wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqf-iZv6Zg

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>>376312462
That's called ludonarrative consisteny

>>376308602
Real time with pause is a natural progression of old CRPG combat and was way better until EA fucked everything up in 2 and beyond

>>376312635
>non articulate choir, drums strings
>not forgettable
I like the soundtrack, but nigga it's super generic.

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>>376312867
And yet I still have the battle and opening themes stuck in my head from time to time years later

>>376312965
God the Grey Warden level of that game (Pretty sure thats where I heard that music) was just the biggest fucking disappointment of all time.

>>376306810
Time to see if Rogue bow builds can actually solo

>>376309089
I love how nearly every time people like that get called out on their edgy ass rants with a charge to name something they think is good, they either don't respond or give something obviously retarded.

>>376313070
idgaf, two out of three fantasy soundtracks sound like that.

>>376312965
>music in the main game is generic as fuck
>music in DLC is amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OjBvHIg1sI

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>Every time we have these threads it becomes apparent that most of /v/ sticks with a vanilla group of Allistair, Morrigan, and Leliana.
You're cheating yourself out of the hands down best written companion, Sten. And several others that are much better than the vanilla team.

Seriously, go back, pick a new origin, new class, and ESPECIALLY a new team. You'll have a fucking blast. There's so many things you can miss during your first playthrough of the game, and I still find new interactions after several playthroughs.

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>>376313442
>Mfw Inquisitonfags try to use a DLC to justify the entire games existence

>>376313517

> tfw the old healer is the least interesting character but the most useful one to carry

i tried to drop her every time it wasn't necessary just so i'd have more dialouge with characters that are actually fun. sten morrigan allister and shale were the best ones

zevran was fun at times but too much of a flaming homo

>>376313591
Dude, it's not even funny.
The game feels like a fucking prologue now.

I don't understand why people do not like deep roads. It felt like going into Moria, which is exactly what I wanted to experience in some rpg after reading and watching lotr.

>>376313517
>Qunari in 1 look unremarkable
>HUGE design shift in 2, but admittedly it actually looks awesome
>another design shift in 3, now they just look retarded
Bioware.

>>376313683
I don't know, Wynne without heavily fixing her AI will always run out of mana spamming regen with little actual healing. I liked having her for Haste

>>376313683
Just turn Morrigan into healer. I usually just kill this old hag when she attack me in mage tower

>>376313683
I accidentally killed her, i sided with Morrigan because i wanted to romance her.

>>376313683
>he didnt play as a mage himself

honestly lets you do way more with your party

>>376313517
I always went Sten, Wynne, and...well, whoever else I felt like. Usually the golem.

>>376313683
>tfw the old healer is the least interesting character but the most useful one to carry
Are you not doing her companion quest?

Wynne's dynamic is one of the best in the game.

Also the game is easy enough that you can ignore team comp on nightmare if you have a mind too, really. You dont even need to try on hard

>>376313905
Happened to me to, its something fucky with one of her sustained abilities that gets put in by the default tacticsm, if you remove it or change some stuff about when to use the move it should fix it

>>376313970
>>376313951
> killing party members
> killing old people

i killed zevran on my first playthrough but i couldn't even imagine he can actually become a party member and he was too fucking smug to live

in hindsight it's just bad writing on bioware's part

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>>376314053
Then you can't be a Templar.

>>376314101
i played it last time years ago i don't remember most shit. i did all quests or at least almost all of them

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>>376314115
>Not waking him up for answers
>Man gets his own fucking cutscene and you thought he was a throwaway chracter
Anon Bioware weren't the retarded ones. Also heaven forbid they put in the small possibility of missing a companion

>>376313384
or
>you'll just shit all over it so no :^)

>>376314115
How is that bad writing? He flat out tells you he'll join you if you let him live, did you not exhaust the dialogue options before slitting his throat?

>>376314178
but you can be an arcane warrior

>>376314191
You clearly are either misremembering or never did if you think Wynne is boring

There's more to her character than what is at surface level, she's not the best written character by any means but she gets unnecessary flak because triggering her quest can be a little funky (you have to be traveling with her on the roads a lot, it takes place over the course of several ambushes on the road).

The real bad companion of Origins was Oghren. Reddit tier "DUDE ALE LMAO" Dwarf. They fixed him in Awakening though and he's a good character there.

>>376314324
> trusting a manwhore elf that just ambushed you

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>>376314328
Then you'll be some Mage pretending to be a Warrior, like those DYEL Free March cosplayers are pretending to be Templars.

>>376314115
Accidentally. I didn't know bringing Morrigan would lead to her death.

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>>376314328
>>376314178
>Mage anti-magic line is stronger than the templar skill line
I love this game but MAN is the balanced fucked sometimes

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>>376314265
>tfw completely missed leliana
do Morrigan and Wynne still have cameltoe on the pc version? I might play it again

>>376314616
>do Morrigan and Wynne still have cameltoe on the pc version?
If not I'm sure there is a mod for it.

You can, of course, just mod out there underwear.

>>376306219
was this the last rpg you could be a legit cunt?

>>376314607
templars should have got mana clash, not mages
although dispel is pretty damn great

>>376314607
The best skill is Holy Smite, Righteous Strike would be better if it completely drained mana or something ranged.

You can tell the parts where Nu-Bioware designed it, while the rest is engaging.

>>376315153
Which ones?

>>376315434
zevran

I played it recently for the first time and had a blast, really felt like my choices meant something and the fact you could quite easily part way with, or kill your party members gave them a lot of weight.

I do want to see what happens but I'm currently playing through Andromeda and having very mixed feelings on it, I can't handle Inquisition being similar. After I get around to awakening should I just stop there?

>>376315620
You played the expansion, Awakening, right anon?

>>376314483
That's another thing I liked about this game. Your trust can be entirely misplaced depending on how much your party members like you.

>>376315747

>After I get around to awakening should I just stop there?

No, but I hear it's great. I'm asking if I should even look into 2 and 3 after or just leave it at that.

>>376315589

I thought Zevran was fine, he wasn't just "the gay/bi one."

>>376315895
Play Awakening, Skip 2 and 3 for your own good

If you want to scratch the DAO itch again you'll have to look backwards in their catalog not forwards

>>376315850
> be a dick to your party member
> he hates you

> be nice to your party member
> he likes you

this isn't rocket science. almost all RPGs fall into these tropes, which is why i called it bad writing before. i took DA:o as a more serious game at first playthrough so i killed zevran since i though i shouldn't trust him. i expected too much

>>376316038
Zevran will betray or at least leave you if you don't raise his approval, which makes perfect sense

The vision for the game was meh but the execution was top notch. Like the story is pretty generic, the art style is nothing to write home about, the world and characters are just okay etc, but the way everything comes together is really good and makes you appreciate it. Whereas something like the first Witcher had good vision, but being the dev's first game, had heaps of rough edges and the like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoSWam15z5k

>>376316141
Leliana will betray you
Wynne will betray you
Sten will betray you
Shale will betray you
Pretty much everyone but Alistair, Dog, Morrigan and Secret Companion will betray you.

>>376316349
I'd argue in a few cases you betray those characters and not the other way around

>>376316349
>Secret Companion
To be fair they're not in your party that long.

>>376316349
>Secret Companion

His betrayal was at the start of the game.

The others are optional betrayals depending on your choices in quests. Zevran's is unnavoidable no matter what decisions you make unless you are bffs.

>>376316038
>Tropes equal bad writing
Now you're just making yourself look like a dumbass.

>>376316349
What this guy says>>376316389
Leliana and Wynne will only attack you if you destroy the ashes of what is essentially their religion's Jesus in front of their eyes. If you left them at camp you can lie straight to their face and they'll remain with you.
Wynne will only attack you if you decide to slaughter all the mages in the Circle, of which she is a part of.
Sten will betray you if he believes your weak, and he'll fall back in line after you've proven your strength as leader.
Shale will only attack you if you've decided to kill Caradin and make more golems, something she's personally against since she's one herself and it sucks.
Zevran's betrayal is the only true backstab of the companions and be avoided entirely if he likes and respects you.
It's another reason why this game is so good, your choices actually matter.

>>376316775
Wayne attacked me because i backed Morrigan, i didn't kill the mages.

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>>376317179
The choice of bringing an apostate to the circle tower can blow up in your face?

No shit anon

>>376317179
Because Morrigan is an apostate and a Witch of the Wilds to boot, she's everything an advocate of the Circle like Wynne will hate. Plus Morrigan wants the Circle gone so that doesn't help matters.

Is it a bad thing that she reacted to a party member that is hostile against Circle mages?

>>376317754
The whole scene was super awkward (because i'm was a mage).
I actually thought i defused the situation, but nope.

>>376318079
Not all Mages think living in the woods and practicing black magics while running from Templars is a good thing. Did you not listen or hear about the various fraternities?

>>376318079
A LOT of mages believe in circles in Dragon Age, just they think they need to be better

>>376319095
Yeah, the Circles are probably the best option. Only when both sides are full of shit is when they become horrible, like in DA2 where all the Templars are literal rapists and all the Mages are horrible monsters.