Why are SMGs almost always the worst weapon type in video games?

This thing is god tier in Sven Coop

Handguns suck so fast firing handgun suck more

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>>376305564
I love the look of the Uzi. It's easily my favorite fire arm in existence.

As for your question, I wouldn't say that they are the worst. Sometimes they are the best, it all depends on personal taste or the situation at hand. I'd still use an Uzi, even if it was the worst gun in the game.

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>>376305713
>Handguns suck

>>376305564
Balance since they're usually cheaper
Really, on the tiny distances of something like CSGO they should reign supreme

They're excellent in CoD though, very useful in Payday 2 and they're a viable antieco pick in CSGO.

SMGs in New Vegas are also amazing and the 12.7mm SMG and .45 ACP SMG shreds shit.

>MAC 11 in Siege

hnnng

>>376305564
Name one (1) game with good machine pistols.
Hard mode: It's in it's own category and not lumped in with the normal handguns.

>>376305564

It's my favorite weapon to use in GTA IV

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>>376305738
I'll also say I like the looks of Micro Uzi, Mac 10/11 and use them, along with the Uzi, in any game possible.

>>376305934
Rainbow 6: Vegas 2, Siege, MW2/MW3

>>376305564

Black Ops 2 they were overpowered because they were essentially Rifles.

Rifles are always fucking broken in every game and I'm tired of it.

At least Black Ops 2 also had some of the best pistols in gaming, they were all great. I miss the TAC .45.

>>376305713
CSGO pistols are really good. In close range they're better than an assault rifle

Pistols in cod are good too, they swap quickly, fire fast (up to your natural ability) and still kill in 3 or so shots.

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>>376305934
Vice city and SA because you could run while shooting
XIII
Stalker. mp5 modded to use 19x8 is a great help in the hobo phase

>>376305941
same
i use a trace round burst pop pop pop mutha fukas drop.

the AP gat is better tho

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>>376305934
L.E.G: divine brouzouvmancy

>>376305564
Nah dude, lmgs are always the worst weapon type in video games. They usually give smgs better hip fire spread than any other weapons, while lmgs are essentially assault rifle with more spread and more recoil because they can't think of any other way to balance a bigger magazine size.

>>376305564
>bad damage per shot
>bad penetration
>bad accuracy
>bad range
>bad recoil
They're good for unloading a large amount of bullets in the general direction of the enemy, especially considering how many games let you dual wield them, but they kinda fall in a niche where every other weapon is better. SMGs are often designed as a "spray and pray" type of weapon, which confines their usefulness to noobs who can't be bothered to learn to aim.

>>376305564
AR15 variants shoot basicly SMG ammo and they're always overpowered.

I have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

l4d has amazing uzi
halo 2 has an amazing uzi
e.y.e. has an amazing uzi

they only suck if they do piss damage and only kill if you empty the entire mag on a guy.

>>376306096
I think Battlefield 4 did them pretty good but they are a complete step down in BF1 again

>>376306009
>PDW-57
>Peacekeeper

I confess that I used both to top score in pub games

>>376305753
You posted the Halo 3 pistol, which is the worst gun in the entire series.

https://www.halopedia.org/M6D_magnum
https://www.halopedia.org/M6G_magnum

Learn the difference

>>376306172
The Halo 2 SMG was garbage, the only game in the series it's good in is Halo 5

>>376305564
Mini UZIs and MAC 10s are literal nigger guns, that's why.

It's just an accurate depiction of reality.

>>376305836
>viable antieco pick in CSGO
Shit, they buffed them so hard compared to previous games that a lot of times they're a better choice than the budget rifles.

>>376306259
>zap someone with the pistol
>SMG rips them up

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>>376305564
u wot?

>>376306269
Huh alright, I haven't been keeping up with the CSGO competitive scene so I will admit that my information is probably out of date

They're basically shotguns with the ability to deal accurate damage from afar.

>>376305564
Because they are also shitty in real life and are no longer used.

>>376305564
They're usually among the best since most shootan games' encounters take place at point blank range.
Usually, they have the tightest maximum spread and/or low recoil so you can spray like a retard.
Many games give SMGs high power at point blank that drops to shit after mid range.
They also have some sort of speed advantage like faster base running speed and better accuracy on the move.
Quite often they end up rivaling assault rifles because long range shootouts are often rare in most games.

It's more rare that SMGs are too weak versus other weapons, and it usually ends up being because they are straight up weaker overall in damage output.

>>376306096
LMGs are very good in Ghost Recon Future Soldier, because of the suppression mechanic and their ability to peirce cover.

>>376306373
This too, most actual special forces that would have used SMGs now use PDWs or carbines instead.

I think the police still use SMGs though since most criminals don't wear body armour.

>>376306026
CSGO pistols have their uses, but they are in no way consistently better than the main rifle. No one in their right mind would choose deagle or r8 or p250 or five seven over M4 or AK if given a choice. You don't see a fullbuy team with 3 people using M4, 1 Awper and 1 guy with a fucking deagle running around.

I hate how in gta without a headshot the almost never kill anyone

PUBG Vector (flavor of the month)
Half Life 1&2
Golden Eye
Perfect Dark
Doom 3 (Plasma Gun)

Just off the top of my head.

>>376306443
because in real life you immediately kill someone with low caliber body shots.

PUBG

>>376305934
max payne?

Bad Company 2 did them great.

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SMGs are shit.
PDWs are where it's at.

>>376306493
>Half Life 1&2
they were only ever good for underbarrel

>>376306269

is this a recent change?

i havent played in a couple of months, but the ump was better than both famas and galil at the time, has it been buffed again since? the mac 10 was also a solid mix/eco buy

>>376306071
literally not even a good gun

>>376306441
I remember seeing some pro gamer switch to P250 from M4S in extreme close quarters 1v1 (Mirage B site, the enemy was behind one of the pillars and he was on site) because of that close range one hit headshot).

But overall, rifles are better.

That said, it's not like SMGs are abhorrent in GO either (UMP).

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>>376305564
>Hey I'm a assault rifle, but in the SMG class for some reason, so I get all of their movement bonuses too.

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>>376306568
Meme weapon system.

Battle Raifu or bust.

I always used the golden ones in Alpha Protocol.

>>376306563
>tfw killing bush wookies with the 9A91 over pretty large distances with single taps
Yeah the SMGs were breddy gud

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>9mm
Found your problem.
9mm couldn't even hurt the soft skull of a newborn.

>>376306493
>Half Life 1&2
Even the original HL1 SMG before the multiple nerfs it received wasn't all that good.

>Doom 3 (Plasma Gun)
???

>>376306684
>I don't know how to control recoil

>>376306658
wwrong

>>376306658
CoD in general really, I mean has there ever been a CoD game, CoD4 onwards where the SMGs weren't rifles with extra movement speed?

>>376306441
No, you see one with a rifle three awps and one with a deagle and scout.

This is at LEM too, people don't fucking care.

>>376306009
>Tac.45
Used to run this with six perks on Wii U. Good times

>>376306634
With $1200 price UMP dominates the SMGs, rendering everything, except P90 useless and P90 is useless on higher ranks. As much as I love UMP it needs a price bump at the very least, I'm always too tempted to forcebuy it

>>376306596
>>376306335
It's been a thing for a while, mostly due to economy (why buy a FAMAS when you could have a UMP and armor for the same price?) along with the fact that you really aren't that much worse off with an SMG compared to a budget rifle. You only ever really see them bought when a team's economy is fucked and they have to go all-in with whatever their money can get them.

They were good in Battlefield Heroes, but that's because they're effectively the assault rifle expy.

>>376306815

if you can get consistent kills with cheap weapons theres nothing wrong with using them. i mostly use the ump, nova and scout and it frequently happens that after my team loses a couple of rounds and our eco crumbles that i have enough cash to get us a full buy anyway because you can get crazy money for getting a couple of nova kills

>>376306597
Except it totally is when you use the targeting system implant

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>>376306741
Looks like an SMG to me.

Unless you're saying it only has to fire modern conventional rounds?

>>376305934
Insurgency.

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>>376306568
>>376306684
>Not having an SMG that can double as an LMG

>>376305934
Max Payne and Siege as people have pointed out, butthe Micro Uzi is also very good in Battlegrounds. Only at close range though.

>>376305934
>>376305564
Saints Row 4
Machine pistols are one of the best guns in the game.

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Post slavic SMGs

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>>376306927
Long Range SMG was the best.
rip BFHeroes, you were pretty neat before the cash shop went full p2w superjew.

>>376306493
>PUBG Vector (flavor of the month)
The other SMGs are good too. The UMP is absolutely amazing at close to mid range and the Micro Uzi with an extended mag is great at close range.

>>376306889
Yeah, but the issue really isn't other SMG being useless, it's the UMP being this good. Well, Mac-10 sees its use on T forces because it's even cheaper and still good. Though I dunno, UMP is good but is it that much of a problem? Remember, it's been this good for a pretty long time and people discovered "hey, this is neat" only recently.

>>376307141
>Looks like an SMG
Looks more like a shortened machine gun to me - stock in particular is very MG42-ish. Looks are pretty meaningless, you can get a lower for AR pattern rifle chambered for 9mm.

I don't think you can use modern nomenclature to classify sci-fi energy weapons, cartridge is very important there.

>>376306889
>With $1200 price UMP dominates the SMGs, rendering everything, except P90 useless
The team-specific SMG's are surprisingly legit, too. The MP9 has it's retarded firerate for shredding helmets along with a fast as fuck reload speed and good running accuracy, the Mac is decent and even more ridiculously cheap. The UMP could probably use a 100-200 dollar price increase, though.

>>376307008
>crazy money for getting a couple of nova kills
Even if I know that armor + pistol is going to ruin my day if I try it the pure math of "just get two kills and your gun will already be making a return on investment" makes it hard to pass up.

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Who /GirlsFrontline/ here?

Because they are all-around inferior to Assault Rifles unless the game starts throwing around retarded nerfs/buffs to make them viable.

I remember CoD2 where every German player started with the StG44 and you never saw the MP40 ever.

Also, the American and British players would ditch their weapons for the StG44 all the time whenever they found one unless they were riflemen. And even then, the StG44 was a decent rifle substitute as well.

Only the Russian PPSh had any viability for pure pray-and-spray due to its magazine capacity.

They should have just given the Thompson drum magazines so we would see it more.

>>376307251
fuck I remember that game. was fun while it lasted.

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>>376305564
Not always

>>376306134
Everything you said is wrong.

>>376307406
>but is it that much of a problem
Yes, because it renders all other choices in the category useless compared to it. There are literally no downsizes to buying UMP over anything else. It has one of the lowest prices (only $150 more than the cheap garbage of mac10, can't even buy a flashbang with that), it has easy spray control, it has one of the best DPS among SMGs, gives 200% kill reward, can be force bought every round (assuming you don't buy grenades) and effective on close to mid ranges, with being relatively consistent even on longer ranges (though I wouldn't rush long with it). Yes, the firerate is not as good, but who cares, nobody uses it as an SMG, they use it as the cheapest (and one of the best) rifle in the game. The only downside is 25 magazine capacity.

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>Unloads 20+ rounds into your head through a wall
Now you see me, now you won't

>>376306293
>get battle rifle'd before you get close enough to shit them with the SMG

>>376307765
>unsheaths acog
>snipes you across the map through a window

>>376307406

what would you suggest the ump would cost? i think 1500 is fair. currently you can get a smoke/frag, armor and the ump for 2150. thats too much honestly

i mean if youre facing a team that you figure has AKs and awps, buying a helmet is wasted money in eco rounds. if you have smoke and a ump, or have a frag and get some damage with it, ump vs ak or awp is a matter of skill in many locations on many maps despite the gun costing less than half of what an ak does

>>376307251
I generally liked switching between the LR pistol and the LR SMG. The former was consistent and had a smaller crosshair, but it's also fun being a pain in the dick with the latter and Burning Bullets. However, almost every Soldier pretty much carried the short-ranged SMG, that thing was effectively the Voss of BFH. Little reason to use stock when the SR was a better close-mid weapon when every Soldier also wanted to abuse Blasting Strike, and a LR weapon was used for anything further out.

>>376307545
>starts throwing around retarded nerfs/buffs to make them viable.
I think making them slower to use is a good way to balance them. Like having faster ADS and better mobility for SMGs, especially in games where you have free look, works great IMO. That and more controllable recoil for the SMGs.

>>376306776
yeah because a fucking FAL will have less recoil

I don't recall if there is a machine pistol in vanilla S.T.A.L.K.E.R. but if there is it's good.

But then again, you can one hit headshot enemies with the starter pistol in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

>>376305564
Black Ops 2 was literally SMGs: The Meta

>>376305564
>worst
That is not how you spell BEST.

>>376307750
>>376307913
This really depends on what the role do you see for it, I suppose. I mean, let's say it cost 1500, that makes MP9 and Ingram more attractive, I guess, but nobody would still buy Bison, and the only other "real" SMG is MP7, which actually saw some action before people figured out UMP exists. Speaking of which, why did it took pros so much time to catch up on it?

>>376308082
There's MP5. It's complete garbage, like every other early weapon in that game.

>>376307192
>tfw ACOGed MP5 as Rook

Shit feels so good. I love popping heads with it while enemies chip me for fuck all damage with their rifles.

>>376308156
the bizon is nice when the other team don't have armor

>>376305564
Because they are almost always the worst weapon type IRL.

>>376308156
Bison is a cheap P90 for low tier players, it's in a good place for silvers and novas, i.e. the most common ranks in the game, they don't need to balance the game for all tiers. There are also rumors of them adding MP5SD and I hope they do to shake some things up within that category.

>>376308259
ok what recent multiplayer game did you play where smg where is not THE weapon of choice

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>>376305934
Borderlabds 1

> unique weapon catorgory (although they use normal pistol ammo)
> can reach up to 22 bullets per second rate of fire
> S&S brand machine pistols have huge magazines and good elemental tech

>>376308156
>before people figured out UMP exists. Speaking of which, why did it took pros so much time to catch up on it?

I guess because the UMP in CSS was turbo shit? Honestly, I loved the UMP forever in GO and would use it all the time. Shit's dirt cheap and is a shockingly solid weapon for the price.

>>376307545
Same went for COD1.
Back in COD1, the game didn't have damage loss over distance, so they "balanced" weapons around inaccuracy. SMGs couldn't hit shit even when sighted, but the MP44 dominated both in dramatically superior damage and accuracy.

And then in COD2, everything EXCEPT SMGs had pinpoint accuracy when sighted. So while you could snipe a guy with the MP44, you had to rely on luck for the SMGs to land their shots at a distance (and pistols were 100% useless as their spread was even worse).

It's been a while, but the PPSh and PPS-43 in COD2 were really good, not just among SMGs but overall in the game because they had high long range damage of 20 per shot (rest of the SMGs all fell to 10 damage after short range) and the PPSh had perfect sighted spread whereas the other SMGs had an inherit 0.5° deviation.

Still, even with those advantages for the Russians lacking an LMG/AR, you can't beat the MP44 doing 40 damage at all ranges.
Also the Bren was statistically the best weapon in both games, much better than even the MP44, but nobody used it because the fucking thing takes up 3/4 of the screen.

>>376308227
the MP5 has an ACOG?
the reason I switched to the P90 was for the ACOG

>>376306107
Irl they are good up to 100m

>>376308259
lol

>>376308457
I'm so glad I'm done with borderlands, the six gorillion guns felt like 3

>>376306262
>Still no good drive by game

>>376308316
>tfw a low tier player myself
I'd love to see an MP5 in the game, though. Not sure where'd it fit, hope it's not a UMP replacement but an MP7 one.

>>376307692
my nigga.

>>376306373
They are only shitty if you are in war and there is lot of distance, u will not penetrate with assault rifle either if they have bodyarmor and face shot kills with smg too

>>376305934
CMP150 in Perfect Dark.

>>376307545
>>376308503
The fact that Hitler argued against the STG44 and assault rifles in general makes me think that he was only responsible for the political successes whilst his generals like Rommel were responsible for military successes.

>>376308479
>>376308156

legacy meta. same reason it took everyone so long to realise the "CoD" guns are outrageously good

theyre used to the skill and economy meta revolving around the AK/M4/AWP recoil, fire rate and damage values and around getting the economy to a point where they can consistently and safely buy those things. the team economy meta is super important at pro level where a missing smoke can totally change the course of a round

meanwhile, all along the CoD guns are better than either type of M4 in every possible way and the UMP is better than buying a galil or famas or any other gun up to the value of the AK

theres been an uptick in pros using CoD guns and SMGs lately though because theyre starting to realise.

>>376306495
They will drop the fuck down and bleed to death

>>376308507
Yeah, pretty sure the MP5 has less recoil and more damage per shot than the P90 (or maybe just a faster firing rate?). Either way, MP5 is a real shit wrecker in that game.

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Borscht Space Magic

>>376307913
>i think 1500 is fair
About 1400 could do to avoid nerfing it too hard, especially if you kicked the price of the MP7 down a peg or two to hopefully make the weapon buys a little more diverse.

>>376308771
hittler had retarded idea but his research everything politic were fool proof
too bad they didn't have infinite money or resources

>>376308789
Eeeh, CoD guns are expensive and AK recoil is easier to control than SG recoil. UMP is cheap so people are using it.

Don't Galil/FAMAS have better damage fall-off than UMP? Doesn't matter in close combat, but at long range it does.

>>376308156
Ump was slow putput gun in cs:s, thats why

>>376308771
Stg were expensive i think that was hitlers main concern

>>376306684
Those semi-automatic things with stupidly large calibre rounds?

>>376308869
The stock is way too low

No one posted the kraut space magic gif yet? Guys seriously, the only reason I'm here is for that gif. Get your shit together /v/

>>376309154
IT'S KLOBBERING TIME

>>376309154
>Tfw u look like that crazy person

>>376308789
>theres been an uptick in pros using CoD guns and SMGs lately though because theyre starting to realise.

You mean the AUG and SG? Those guns are accurate as fuck on the first shot and the scope is nice, unsure why they're so unpopular at the pro level, but I guess that whole team economy thing and not wanting to factor in the added cost is kind of a big issue, more so when the cost difference between an M4 and an AUG is a smoke grenade.

>>376308771
Hitler was an artist first and foremost. Aesthetics meant a lot to him in all areas of life. He found the StG44 to be ugly.

>>376309329
Kraut space magic?
You mean that webm of a 12 year old willingly getting fucked in a train by muslims?

>>376309405
he was a shitty artist tough

>>376309414
No u thick cunt, the kraut space magic gun.

>>376308981

at the kinda ranges most fights take place at in CS the fall off is negligible and the accuracy on both the galil and famas arent great. not to mention if youre talking a low money situation, as in lets say you have 3000 dollars, and you can get a cheap rifle and armor no helmet or some grenades and no armor, or you can have the UMP and full utility and armor, i'll take the ump every time. you can close space with utility and get picks a with the ump while trading hits using your armor much easier than you can run no armor, one utility and a cheap AR that cant shoot on the move as well as the ump

SG gets one hit kills on headshot and is much easier to aim consistently at long ranges than the AK imo. on dust2, clearing and taking B from tunnels with the SG is ezpz

>>376309405
Good point never thought about that. Bet he wouldn't like how a lot of guns moved towards polymers and metal without any wood nowadays.

>>376309442
In my opinion he was pretty good at colours and shading but his perspective was really shit

>>376305564
Cod mw2 best weapon is ump
Payday 2 SMG is top tier
Black ops 2 SMG
Stalker ones were decent
Battlefield 3 had few good ones.
Pubg vector melts people at close range
P90 in cs for rush blyat
Ump in pubg is great cheaper(timewise) alternative to rifles. With way more common silencer.

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>>376309414

>>376308350
Player Unknown's Battlegrounds

>>376309557
>his perspective was really shit
yeah i totally get why he was rejeted from school

also hitler was probably an old fashioned guy he probably thought WW1 style weaponry were better looking
but that kinda contradict with his idea of massive scale everything

>>376309891
that's true
it's one of the few games where you have long distance engagement i expected arma honestly but that works too

>>376309629
Would Kraut Space Magic be more viable with today's tech?

>>376305564
Because they fill a niche that other weapons fill but better. Shotguns are better up close while ARs are more accurate

>>376305564
SMG is short to mid range weapon
Shotgun > SMG at short range
Rifle > SMG at mid range

>>376309442
Shitty artists tend to be the most unforgiving critics. If they can't create, they must control.
Movie critics are the best example of this.

>>376309197
>$24. MP40 SMG.
>$26. MP44 assault rifle. This is a late war price when production costs were lower.
>$28. 7.92mm Mauser 98k rifle.
Germans were pretty good at stamping.

>>376307190

>it is meant to fulfill the roles of PDW, assault rifle and, with the addition of a proprietary bipod and 100-round drum magazine, light support weapon.

What the hell Sweden

>>376310501
This, plus it supposedly pierces through everything. It's pretty shitty in BF4 though.

>>376308771
Hitler didn't argue against the STG44. He was just initially skeptical of its durability because of its stamped and welded construction. If he was really against it, there wouldn't have been entire divisions of SS armed with them.

>>376311184
>He was just initially skeptical of its durability because of its stamped and welded construction
You mean, the exact same construction that was successfully used by MP40s and MG42s?

>>376305934
Planetside 2

don't mind me, I'm just the highest DPS in the game
Ignore the Bee behind the curtain

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>>376311317
forgot pic

>>376308771
Because assault rifles are the result of degenerate race-mixing between SMGs and Rifles.

>>376306785
wwowwie wwhat a nice wwang

>>376311419
so racemixing is better ,thanks Hitler

>>376311419
So the half-breeds are better than the pure bloods? Alright thanks for that Hitler

>>376306441
Statistically speaking while in a p250 or fivesevens single headshot range they are a better option than any other ct gun

You are right about the ak being superior though.

>>376311637
If you are confident in your aim and the enemy is at 100HP with a helmet.

>>376311637
That's why I said consistently better, if you don't head then you're pretty much screwed against the spray at this range, especially against AK.

>>376311087
That is incorrect. The gun ingame is a laser beam with a generous capacity for ammo

>>376305934
name one game without good smgs

>>376306568
It is the same as a SMG, just without pistol caliber.

>>376311637
Also AUG is a one hit headshot through helmet at extremely close range (literally 100 damage before damage falloff kicks in), so here's that.

What's the one SMG you would choose in real life if a genie offered to give you any SMG you wanted?

>>376311797
Assault rifles are the same as SMGs, just without pistol caliber.

>>376311697
I don't always hit them but I'm always confident with my aim :^)

>>376311697
With spraying involved I have to agree. On the flipside, depending at what level your playing in the high accuracy of the p250 or five seven can beat people with poor spray control

Add the habit of people panicking and you can pull off a lot of clutch rounds

>>376311902
I forgot it does have a 1hk range still. I miss when it had a good 1hk range

>>376305934
Borderlands one, but >>376308457 beat me to it. I had a fucking amazing S&S machine pistol that was fun as fuck to use

>>376311787
Really? I have a hundred kills with every gun in BF4 and I really didn't like it. Maybe it just didn't fit my playstyle.

>>376305564
Stand-Alone grenade launchers are always bad. You're better off having any other gun with a grenade launcher attachment.

>>376306568
That IS an SMG.

>>376311971
Yeah, as pistols they have better movement accuracy so you can stay mobile.

>>376312007
This in contrast with reality, where nobody wants to lug the M230 successor around and prefers to carry it stand alone.

>>376312119
>nobody wants to lug the M230 successor around
Yeah I wouldn't want to carry a 30mm chaingun either.

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In Titanfall 2, the SMGs are the current meta
They have 100% accuracy, hipfire or otherwise, very little damage dropoff, and crazy DPS

>>376305564
>low caliber
>shit accuracy and precision
>only useful short range or to lay suppressive fire
What would you change?

>>376306096
>not being a part of the mk48 master race
It's like you don't want to be able to kill at ALL RANGES with a scope.

>>376312218
It's not a chaingun. You must be thinking of the mk19 successor.

>>376312004
I think with an attachment it gives you the lazer like stability + accuracy. So at least for me it's good. But it is nothing like the real version in terms of its capabilities

>>376312363
M230 is a chaingun. You probably meant M320. The image of somebody lugging around a 30mm autocannon was too funny to not make a joke about, though.

>>376312504
Oh, silly me. That is kind of funny.

>>376311349
>>376308457
I wish Borderlands just had an adventure mode like Diablo 3. Do random quests, get paid, fuck NPCs.

>>376305934
Resident Evil 5. SMG is a different class from AR and Rifles

>>376312423
Alright.
Yes, it would be cool to have it work as it's intended in real life. Guess it would be hard to balance though.

>>376308218
Yeah, but you could still one-hit-headshot people with pretty much any peashooter except if they're military armored or exoskeleton. I like the default damage model, the enemies are slightly bulletspongy. The MP5 in SoC was a great starter gun because there's about 300 +P 9x19 rounds in a few crates in Garbage, used it till you get Strelok's "doubletap" AK74.

>>376312721
But the cone of fire is fucking enormous. Just really disappointing, those guns are pretty accurate at full auto IRL, being 9mm subguns.

I think I mostly used sawn-off with slugs and Fort-15/Walther pistol. Threw the MP5 away in disgust. Or maybe sold it.

>>376312669
This! Every hack and slash ARPG or any game of the sort should have an adventure mode where you don't have to bother with the fucky story barring your entry to other areas, just go in, start killing and do quests.

STALKER CoC and Sacred 1 (LAN server Hack and Slash freeplay option) are great for this, just go in and lose yourself.

>>376312815
Don't use ironsights they do not improve accuracy. Sub-40 meters and align crosshairs to upper body/neck and drop cheeki breekis. Modded STALKER subguns are pretty godly though, low weight and ammo a plenty, and are usually real-life accurate to 100ish meters. Still wouldn't trust them to put down a bloodsucker or pseudogiant, buckshot/slugs or bust.

>>376306927
>>376307251
FUCK.
I'm still mad at EA for butchering this game. It was so fucking charming.

>>376312286
All they have to do is reduce the fucking absurd zoom on the rifles. The bare sights alone give you super tunnel vision 3x zoom.

>>376313018
>Don't use ironsights they do not improve accuracy.
Man, why is STALKER surrounded by so many myths? I guess the ballistics are so wonky you have to rationalize it somehow. Some guy was swearing a couple of days irons improve accuracy massively. Anyway, at the very least we can agree they don't reduce it, and I played on Master so no crosshairs. I don't like crosshairs in games which have irons anyway, because muh immershun.

>>376313087
I'm more sad about how there's no real BFH clone out yet, Renegade Line is still in development but I haven't really been paying much attention to it. You'd think people would catch onto that shit when the game started to go downhill in late 2009.

The shotguns in Rainbow Six Vegas 2 are still some of the most satisfying I've used in a game. It's a shame there was only one Semi-Auto available.

>>376311971
>depending at what level your playing in the high accuracy of the p250 or five seven can beat people with poor spray control
If your opponent can't spray control you most likely can't shoot with p250 either, since on lower ranks people just spam with their bodyshots like retards. At least it works for five seven.

>>376313243
Yea, I only recently found out renegade line but it seems like it will be a long time untill it's playable. I really miss BFH.

>>376313245
But the shotguns in that game sucked.

>>376313243
I remember when they first changed the prices of VP for regular guns to be 150 for 1 day instead of 50 for a week i was convinced its a bug and they will fix it. I was so innocent back then.

>>376311493
>>376311593
Technically, it was more like eugenics.

They were great in the first Bad Company

ARs were for faggot noobs and the underslung grenade launcher did so little damage it was nearly useless except for making easy holes in buildings

>He didn't induce rage with EZtomatico in BF1


It's like you don't know life, OP.

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>>376313362
What I think made a good bit of the game for me were the physics, which were also befitting of the setting.

>>376313431
The story was that EA noticed a ton of players had shitloads of VP and many weren't ponying up cash for the cosmetics, so they tried tweaking it but obviously they went overboard with the idea. At the very least they made permanent weapons fairly cheap, but due to how the character/faction system worked five dollars only really sorted out like 1-2 characters.

>>376313245
Why the fuck did you like the shotguns in R6V2? Any gun can kill someone with like 2 bullets in that game. Fire rate is way better than a single big shot because you get more capacity and range.

>>376313245
Did you know that using a laser site on shotguns made them shoot tighter spreads?

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>>376305564
You take that back

>>376305934
Modded STALKER. Everything is a one-hit killing machine on Master difficulty.

>pistols do more damage than SMGs
Why is this allowed?

>>376316160
Because they're semi-automatic

>>376316160
Game balance, to make pistols worth anything at all, along with making different weapon types feel distinct to the player. The alternative would be something like in Arma, where a 9mm SMG sucks just as much at killing shit as a 9mm pistol, with the main difference being slightly more effective range and 29 immediate backup shots.

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>everyone praises the 416-C for being the only carbine on defenders
>the MP7 has ACOG, much more consistent recoil and higher ROF while the 416-C wobbles everywhere even with grip and barrel attachments

>>376308510
SMGs are basically dead IRL because of carbines and PDWs

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>>376313318
It shouldn't be to hard to believe

I've taken multiple multimonth breaks (played off and on since beta), come back, get slaughtered for 4-6 games then my aim comes back and I climb no problem

My crosshair placement is logical but my muscle memory isn't completely adjusted compared to my enemies who often have too high of DPI to control, aim erratically, and tend to peak like total shit.

>>376316662
enjoy your damage falloff.

>>376316954
>and PDWs
PDWs are dead too.

>>376317020
Damage dropoff doesn't really matter if you land a headshot with the ezmode acog

>>376305934
How has nobody mentioned G18 from mw2

>>376317252
Because it's a automatic pistol

>>376317252
it's a pistol kinda still.

>>376305564
AK74u was best in CoD4 promod.

>>376317102
I really wish the game didn't have 1 shot kills all across the board, but it does lead to some really neat pistol 1 taps.

>>376317357
>AK74u
>SMG
It's like the game itself was basically admitting that any of it's half decent SMGs were basically rifles that let you move faster and did a tad bit less damage.

Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory Thompson was the most versatile weapon in the game. Weapon accuracy was hitscan, though.

>>376317357
Promod was garbage.

>>376305713
the pistol in Human Revolution is god tier

>>376306241
I don't know how they managed to make it worse in 3 than 2. It was even supposed to suck in 2.

I want an uzi so bad, even though I'm sure they're highly illegal.

They seem like the easiest guns to use. Like, in the hypothetical scenario where a group of wild animals or killers are surrounding you, you just spray bullets everywhere and all of the threats are vanquished.

You can't do that with a handgun, you can't do that with a shotgun, you may be able to do that with an automatic assault rifle, but those are big and bulky and for somebody as frail and inexperienced as me with guns I'd probably have difficulty spraying it against the surrounding foes.

TL;DR: I believe an uzi is the best gun

>>376309414
there's a webm like this?

where would one find such a webm?

>>376319394
Uzis are old enough to be legal in most of the US as long as you have the right paperwork. You're going to have to pay out the ass for them, though.

>>376305934
Persona

>>376307190
This gun was fucking horrible in Ghosts

>>376305934

Rising Storm / Red Orchestra

>>376319394
In most parts of burgerland Uzis are legal (along with quite a few hoops to jump through), and generally on the cheaper end of the full-auto price range. Unfortunately, "cheap" in that particular field means somewhere around 10 grand. If you're really itching for that form factor you can get a civilian legal one that only shoots semi-auto for a lot less.

>>376305934
Deus Ex HR and MD

>>376306107
I could put it in another way:
Submachineguns in vidya often suck because games usually model guns on a very simple damage-speed scale, and don't take into account the utility differences of them. Weight, handling, ergonomics, etc.

>>376305934
killing floor 2.
at first i thought the whole swat perk was a poor mans commando but damn was i wrong, nothing takes out trash more efficient

>>376309629
>simple care and maintenance

>>376307516
Not fond of the clothing design

FOR INDOOR USE ONLY

>>376306096
LMGs in real life are for suppressive fire, keeping heads down. Can you properly convey that in modern shooters, what with the health pools and regeneration and all?

>>376326346
Once you go more towards the simulation end of shooters they start to become a lot more effective, if only for the fact that the sheer volume of steady fire is a lot more threatening than hastily aimed rifle shots once you get out past 200m or so. It gets even more fun with GPMGs and (best of all) HMGs, where you get a fun case of "they're 800m out and pouring hot molten death on us and we don't have any effective weapons out to that range".

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>>376307516
Negev best gunfu.

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SMG's in WW2 shooters usually top tier.
>Type 100 in Rising Storm

>>376326346
you can in games where you actually value your life
surpressive fire has limited effectiveness in PUBG, for example

>>376305564
perhaps a nod from reality. recently SMG's have been eclipsed by SBR carbines in all but the most niche categories.
SMG's are really only necessary for concealment or preventing over-penetration, thanks to its less powerful round in comparison to rifles.

>>376307141

bweeeeeee

>>376326346
red orchestra

>Silent Storm
>not having both an SMG and a rifle as standard equipment for every single soldier
Grenadiers and soldiers could replace the SMG with an LMG but for everyone else it was damn near essential to have a spare SMG in their inventory for close combat action, especially since everything was so short range in the game that you basically HAD to also have everyone bring a rifle to shoot anything that was further than 10 meters away.

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>>376307692

>>376331092
This is why nogunz shouldn't be allowed to design fictional firearms.

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>>376331331
Time travel, teleporting to another dimension, jump kits, mechs, gravity manipulation, humans transferred to robots. I think they can do whatever they want with their guns.

>>376306183
Battlefield 1 LMGs are pretty good though.
Its the class thats useless.

Support can't heal or bring back teammates, isn't a significant threat to armor, can't engage over 60 meters and is only really, really good when holding down points.

The weapons are fine though.

>>376321815
Then you convert it to full auto by filing down the firing pin.

>>376317053
They, they're not dead yet. SF just recquisitioned a 7 inch barrel PDF chambered in .300 memeout.

>>376305564
ump is the best gun in modern warfare 2 idk what you're on about

>>376331527
>attaching magazine baseplate with roll pins
no way fag

They will rape your asshole in 3D universe GTA

>>376305564
They're pretty good in Underrail.

>>376332845
Not when ARs outrange them so hard that you can spawn kill underleveled players for days with the superior auto aim range.

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>>376307516

>>376312286
Is the Volt still fucking amazing? That gun is literally all I used when I unlocked it, got up to Gen 2 with it because it just shredded every game.

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>>376307765
Hi.

>>376306441
back when I was good at videogames, I used to deliberately go deagle-only for match after match and still beat people using bigger guns

those days are long gone though, I found a video of myself playing pool_day that I recorded about 13 years ago, and I honestly can't believe how good my reflexes were

>>376305564
Bullet sponge enemies everywhere when it's a weapon that is better for quickly handling low-hp enemies.

>>376333535
Nerfed twice and replaced with a a buffed r97 that doesn't have to be aimed to get kills. It's the only smg I use because I like how it looks and now its not an OP piece of shit.

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>>376307095
>pick up gun
>fires fast as fuck
>"oh well I can probably swap the fire mode to single or burst"
>2nd fire mode is EVEN FASTER but makes recoil and spread go crazy
>get targeting implant
>mfw

>>376306568
>>376307190
Why isn't there a name for weapons with the magazine housed in the pistol grip, like with bullpups? They get me rock hard.

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>>376306658
>a 3-hit-kill when suppressed without stopping power at any range
>there are people that still pretend this wasn't OP as fuck

>>376335040
pretty sure it's called a pistol

>>376305564
SMGs and Shotguns would utterly dominate the type of combat implemented in most action games.
To 'balance' them, they make them pitiful.
The above does not apply to games with combat at realistic (300m) ranges.

>>376335169
So you'd call a full sized UZI a pistol?

>>376306594
If you load up gmod/hl2 and have a look at just how bad the inaccuracy on the SMG is you will be amazed.

In an average sized HL house room it will have around the spread of a shotgun if you fire from wall to wall, which makes it just as useful to use shotgun since it does more damage and pistol for headshots

>>376335285
a machine pistol

>>376335340
But a tec-9 or a mauser is a machine pistol, and the magazine isn't housed in the pistol grip. I'm specifically talking about the position of the magazine.

>>376316954
Where's the line between SMGs and Carbines? Is it because SMGs use pistol ammo, carbines use rifle ammo? Is AK-74k an SMG or a Carbine? What are PDW and why aren't they just SMGs?

>>376328269
Is that a picture for .22 guns?

>>376335274

This, when all combat is close range you make the close range weapons shit.

Even double barrel shotguns that reload in five minutes can't even oneshot a man

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Why are shotguns always the most fun to use?

>>376335274
>falling for the shotgun meme

>>376335567
yes rifles use rifle ammo, that's why aks-74u is not an SMG.

PDW's have better penetration than SMGs is the way I think it works, since they use different ammunition.

The P90 and MP7 have more stopping power than the MP5.

I recently found out you can own a shotgun in the uk and the only requirement is not to be insane and have someone cosign you

As it conveniently turns out the maximum capacity you can have is 2 shells loaded at once and double barrel shotguns make my cock rock hard

Should I go for it? The only thing I can think is that people coming into my house might point it out and it might seem pretty autistic that the only reason I have it is because I like them, i dunno

>>376335567
carbines are smaller assault rifles that fire intermediate rounds
SMGs fire pistol rounds
PDWs fire rounds that are between pistol rounds and intermediate rounds

>>376335274
Thats wrong as fuck though, theres a reason people use carbines over PDWs.

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MP5 in CoD4 was my shit OP, I don't know what you're talking about

ak74u in blops

>>376335973
No they don't. Both have terminal ballistics comparable to .22 magnum. However, they basically ignore soft body armor with the right ammo.

>>376336012
I thought it was 3 shells lad
Also yes they're sexy, grab one before they completely ban any and all firearms.

>>376305564
because using a long rifle in close quarters doesn't matter in video games, with your barrel just clipping through walls anyways

>>376336194
Ah okay, so PDW's round has same power just better penetration.

>>376336197
You're right, its 3, only if one is in the chamber

What should I go for? Because of the UK's gun culture I really don't have any idea of what I should look around at

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>play ghost recon wildlands
>only find radio outposts (where you have to breach a door) to be the only place in the game where SMG's are good
>shotguns are ineffective beyond an arms length
when you can clear out entire bases with an AR without moving much, everything else seems shit

>>376335820

I'd say it's because they facilitate an aggressive playstyle where shootouts are short but intense.

>>376335820
single satisfying bang when fired and it's short-mid range in games. The hype phenomena around it by making you run closer someone to blast them in the face is similar to the hype of running up and smashing them with a melee weapon, only the hit is with a gun-shooting sound instead of a dull hit from the melee weapon. That depends on the video game though. Furthermore if you are firing more than one shell there is a rhythm to follow due to the slow but steady firing rate (unless we are talking about say, the AA12 in Killing Floor that just unloads like 20 fucking shells into something in rapid succession).

I think my favorite shotguns were in the Serious Sam series and Killing Floor actually.

>>376305564
Assault Rifles usually outclass them in every single way.

>>376305564
>thread about smg's
>op /nogunz/ faggot posts machine pistol

>>376336330
You'd be best asking on britpol or /k/. You can get some decently priced (i.e. not 20 grand hand-engraved masterpieces) ones at Antique fairs though in my experience. Hunting shops are always a safe bet too.

>>376336328
No. 9x19 is pretty effective out of SMG length barrels, and heavier loads, like 147gr, perform within a few percent of .45acp loads in terms of wound volume.

You need to lurk /k/ for a bit or read up on terminal ballistics and the mechanics behind why gunshot wounds kill.

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>>376305564
Flamethrowers are almost always the worst weapon in video games.

>>376305564
What you should be complaining about is
>Bolt action deals more damage than a semi-auto
>They both use the same caliber

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>>376336501

not when you get a movement/speed bonus for smg's and penalty for rifles

i'll take speed every time

>>376336065
So the if I were to swap an AK with a custom 9mm reciever and barrel, it would be classified as an SMG?

>>376336686
>mfw Timeshift had a combination SMG/Flamethrower that was good

>>376334052
Deagle in 1.6 and Source was actually really good. It's imprecise in CS:GO and has tons of recoil as well.

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>>376305564
better question

How is the UZI and it's variants ALWAYS the worst SMG to play with?
pic very related

>>376318941
Dude the H2 magnum sucked, only thing it had on 3's pistol was clip size but when each shot is so weak it barely makes a difference.

Halo 3 pistol was pretty much a worse battle rifle but that's still far better than 2's magnum.

>>376336792
I guess?

>>376306495
Even a single 9mm IRL will put you down. In vidya its weak as fuck. And subguns are made out to be shit. There's a reason specops etc. for forever have used the mp5

>take g3 battle rifle
>cut it down to mini carbine size and rechamber for 9mm parabellum

>suddenly have stupidly accurate subgun that does everything

>>376335465
tec 9 is a pistol, not machine pistol. they were always semi-automatic and at some point designed so you couldn't convert them to full auto either

>>376306658
>mp5 redesigned for .45 acp
>assault rifle

Shutup noguns

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>>376306658
oh hey brother

>>376306736
Then I invite you to shoot yourself in the head with one IRL since it does nothing according to you.

What is this meme that Black Ops 2 SMGs were great? The range was a major disadvantage and made them less viable than ARs in anything long range.

>>376305934
I think I got more kills with the PP2000 of my sniper kit in MW2 then the actual rifle itself.

>>376337153
It worked like an assault rifle in MW2

>>376336843

>overcharge plasma pistol
>spam trigger on M6D to turn it into full-auto
>destroy anuses everywhere

salt everywhere from what i recall

>>376336797
It's not a great gun in real life either.
Literally a movie prop, shoot a lot in a flashy manner with fuckall ergonomics, hit fucking nothing.

>>376337271
The mp40 got so overused in WAW i counted up the kills overall whilst my pal was playing and it was something like 80% over 3 matches
>>376306658
and this was just fucking stupidly op, i have a distinct memory of cleaning out a whole team on search and destroy with it

>>376306776
>fully automatic 7.62x51mm battle rifle
>less recoil than subguns

Lolwut.

Only specific models of l1a1's and Slr's were locked in semi auto. And everyone field modded them back to full auto anyway.

Fucking noguns ITT. Goddamn.

>>376336686
>flamethrower in video games
>short-mid range spurts

>flamethrower in real life
>vast long-range
I want a video game balanced around a real flamethrower, maybe it will be good for once.

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>>376337610

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>>376337307
I can already resist a 7.62x39mm to the head at this point
I'm deaf on the right ear though.

>>376337271
people complain about the SMGs but it was also true that MP40 was a really important weapon in the war.
Putting 9mm into relatively long barrel is actually a good idea and has gained some popularity in recent years like with pistol carbines. It's not just a big handgun with faster fire and more bullets.

>>376312016
Its a machine pistol. Goddam.

>>376305564
I think they're usually the best weapons in most games (I played). They usually only suck in large open areas. Especially the P90 tends to be overpowered if it's an option.

>>376306918

am i just a stubborn asshole, or is the MP7 just so damn godly? I pull off sik headshots all the time, at least when i'm not busy getting OHK'd by the damn AK, thanks for the traditions valve

>>376316954
Well. They died because armour tech advanced to a point where pistol rounds of almost all types became ineffective, in many cases failing to even do as much as bruise and crack ribs. Heavier pistol rounds will still do that but lighter rounds tend to to nothing against modern armour except make people sore as fuck.

So now we have carbines and pdws using intermediate rifle rounds that DO defeat modern armour still.

>>376305738
MP9 is my favorite operator gun in vidya

>>376338301
MP7 is actually the main reason I rarely end up buying the budget rifles. The pattern and recoil are easy to control, movement speed and tagging are better than with rifles and the main drawback is the range. The damage isn't a huge problem due to it being rather accurate, and since SMGs get much lower movement penalty rushing down rifles with this is not very hard.

>>376336792
What do you think the bizon is?

>>376336369
shortbarreled lmg is better because the shooting doesnt stop

>>376306927
BFH was great
>pick the spy class
>hang around a point and drop every fucker who funnels in one by one until they finally roll up in a tank

>>376337794
Its not even a new idea either.

America's 'west' was 'won' by .357 .45 lc and such in lever actions and repeaters.

>>376339065
It's not new, but has been overshadowed by rifle calibers in the recent history.

>>376339491
I feel like a deep because I actually wish I could afford to collect old school repeaters like 'the' winchester. Or the that .44 judge revolver carbine.

>>376339743
Like a derp*

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The uzi is a pretty fast and fun gun in VC. It really complements the era.

>>376332206
>grenade and ammo resupply
>useless

>>376307692

>pull back loading handle
>gun explodes into fucking legos

>>376337445
it's been used by secret service and bodyguards in many countries.

it's incredibly small, making it easy to conceal, and you're not going to be firing at anyone who is not within 50 feet. a trained shooter will have no issues with firing short aimed bursts.

>>376309276

It detaches from under the grip and can reattach onto the back.

>>376308869

>look at getting airshit version because RU not making these publicly available or even available anywhere besides RU
>they're constantly out of stock, insanely expensive, and I could just buy a brand new gun

>>376305564
Because SMGs IRL are only really useful due to their compact size, and in most games weapon size is not relevant in the slightest and you can carry whatever you want without any drawbacks, so there is really no reason the use an SMG when every rifle is just as "light and compact" as an SMG and more powerful to boot.

>>376305934
l4d

>>376339924

I wish Rockstar would remaster the PS2 era games. Even if it was some side team doing it. Would love to see these with updated gunplay, slightly improved models and maps, and some new sheen to the visuals.

>>376305934

Day of Infamy.

>>376312286
does anyone still play titanfall 1?

>>376335820

That bayonet makes me diamond hard.

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>>376341421

>>376337076
You call things pistols because they fire pistol cartridges

A sub machine gun fires cartridges smaller than the AR category

The Uzi in Black was pretty good.

>>376336131
Nice gold Fagot!

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>>376305738
>>376305985

>no game will ever feature Uzi with bayonet

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>>376337714
>playing RS with a buddy
>get a jungle map as the Americans (can't remember the name but it was a siege on a jungle base)
>me and my friend trying to stay hidden along the treeline and flank with 5 other dudes
>suddenly hear some shots out in our direction
>oh fuck they know where we are
>suddenly an enormous plume of flame erupts from the brush and cooks all of us
>couldn't see shit, only fire and can only hear screams before I die

RS' flamethrower is fucking horrifying, really does its job.

>>376308869
>SR3
>smg

>>376344048
>SR3 MP
>MP
What's next? M16 and M4A1 being the same weapon?

>>376344206
All versions of the Vikhr use the same caliber - 9x39mm.

>>376305934
Bullet girls 2

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>This thing fires cut down 50.bmg rounds as fast as any other smg

Where is your god now?

>>376344570
And that makes it an invalid SMG how?

The difference between a SMG and an AR is the internal construction, barrel lenght and weight.

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>>376305564
because smgs are pretty fucking awful irl too

+looks cool
+small
-pistol calibers are kinda shit and half of them use fucking horrible memecalibers like mp7
-you can have the exact same thing but with a caliber that isnt shit for about the same size and weight except it doesnt look as cool

>>376337374
The Halo 2 pistol is the M6C, anon.

CE = M6D
2 = M6C
3 = M6G
ODST = M6C SOCOM or M6S
Reach = A different submodel of M6G
4 = M6H
5 = M6H2

>>376336843
The Halo 2 pistol was at least still useful in campaign for cleaning up shieldless enmies, same for MP and with the plasma pistol. The Halo 3 pistol fires too slow for that but also isn't powerful enough to be useful otherwise