*blinks behind you* cold is the starcraft thread

When is the next Brood War stream?

Why the fuck is ladder so infested with cheese

>>376303405
May 9, 2017 - 19:00 KST

I have returned.

>>376303459
because it's fon to due

anyone else make the switch to BW for the first time?

been pretty fun

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>>376303463
Thanks, man. I'll see you guys then.

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>>376303478
*blocks his own path*

FOR VENGEANCE

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So why are protoss eye-colors now divided into just blue, green, and red?

>>376303749
purifiers got yellow/orange as theme colour now

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>>376303749
also carrier and oracle pilots have golden/yellow/orange eyes

Anyone else enjoying co-op?
Fenix players are finally starting to get bored so you get other teammates besides him.
Took like a fucking week

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>>376304121
Huh. Never really noticed the oracles due to their visor.

Completely forgot about the carriers, though.

>>376304191
Dude it takes like 20 games to level that shit up, what the fuck you want from us?

>>376304191
how is the new mutator?

also which commander are you guys leveling atm?

>>376304506
It's better than the previous one with the 9 armor mutas in the second attack wave.
I beat it on hard with Nova with an Artanis teammate that constantly got his army nuked because he wasn't paying attention. I still managed to carry him on hard.

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>>376303315
were they fucking stoned at blizzard when they designed the zerg race in sc2?there are only 6 air units (overlord,overseer,viper,mutalisk,corruptor,broodlord) for the zerg 3 of which dont even gain absolutely anything from buying the air attack upgrades.also 3 of these air units(overlord,overseer,brood lord)move so slowly it literally takes the whole match to get from one side of the map to another with them.

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>>376304645
>tfw your unstacked ascendants keep getting nuked

>>376305209
were you fucking stoned when you wrote that post?
>overlord,overseer,brood lord move so slowly it literally takes the whole match to get from one side of the map to another with them
overlord and overseer have speed upgrade and overseers are relatively fast by default and brood lord have to be slow because that is what enables counter-play against zerg who chooses them

Is it alive or is it just StarCraft 2 all over again?

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>>376305209
zerg is a joke race in sc2.just switch to terran or protoss and save yourself the headache.i switched to protoss a year ago and my mmr skyrocketed up.also the fact that blizzard thinks the way to make the zerg a more viable race is by nerfing them is not helping either.these are some of the changes for the zerg from the last few monts.
brood lord range reduced from 11 to 10
spore crawler damage reduced from 30 to 15
ultralisk maxed out armor is now only 7 instead of 8
ravagers got an "armored" tag so they can be killed more easily
vipers parasitic bomb now takes 7 seconds instead of 3(which combines very well with the spore crawler nerf making zerg have no anti-air whatsoever).
seriously just switch.

>>376305803
>they have a speed upgrade
yeah now they move with a speed of 2 instead of 1.what a great upgarde.also forcing your slow,weak,cant attack supply to be used in your army just shows how much blizzard hates the zerg.oh and dont forget:
supply depo = 400hp 1 armor (with neosteel upgrade 3 armor) and can lower itself
pylon = 200hp+200shield 1 armor (+3 armor with the shield upgrades and can be overcharged)
overlord = 200hp 0armor. cant do anything except blocking the view.

>>376305209

The only one stoned here is you. All three races in SC2 have about the same amount of each type of unit, they're extremely homogenized compared to SC1.

Consider this: In Brood War, the Protoss Robotics Facility could produce 3 units, and none of them had any weapons of their own. 2 of them were air units. That's your "mech" arsenal - enjoy.

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>>376306131
sorry, you are right.im just gonna make a few muta's and corruptors while the enemy makes some TEMPEST'S MOTHERSIP CARRIER VOID RAYS ORACLE BATTLECRUISER LIBERATOR no big deal.completely balanced.

>>376305852
I wish Blizzard would just allow Zergs to put their queen injections on autocast.

What the fuck is the point of having to click it every x seconds.

>>376306405
If your enemy is making fucking air protoss while you're sitting on your ass and not somehow overwhelming him by hitting 200/200 10 minutes in the game with roaches, you're doing something wrong.

>>376306519
muh apm

>>376306118
>yeah now they move with a speed of 2 instead of 1
>overlord move speed 0.82 (2.63 with Pneumatized Carapace)
3 times the fucking movement speed you dumbass

>pylon = 200hp+200shield 1 armor (+3 armor with the shield upgrades and can be overcharged)
can get destroyed and you lose production
>overlord = 200hp 0armor. cant do anything except blocking the view.
can fucking move out of the harms way, also it can drop creep and transport units

>>376306405
each race has a rough equivalent of those units so calm you tits

>>376303459
would you rather grind 5 minute games or 20 minute games if you want to climb

Fenix is fun.

Scythe of Amon blows, though.

>>376306405

Yeah because Zerg should have as many air units as Terran and Protoss put together am I right? Are you going to complain that Protoss has slightly fewer ground units next?

>>376303674
I was gonna comment about how fucking awful the goon ai is but holy fuck. This is some divine retarded shit goon on right here

>>376306685
i want a mission where you have to attack a massive base

protoss = nexus gives 15 supply and pylon gives 8
terran = command center gives 15 supply and depo gives 8 and extra 8 supplies can be called down for 50 energy.(no mineral cost,no gas cost,no time cost)
zerg=hatchery gives 2 supply and overlords give 8

can someone explain to me how the zerg is not underpowered?

>>376307004
nexus cost 400
cc cost 400
hatchery cost 300
You also start the game with an overlord

>>376307004
>extra 8 supplies can be called down for 50 energy.(no mineral cost,no gas cost,no time cost)
bullshit, orbital costs 150, extra supply is not a mule which will make you more than 100 minerals and energy takes time to regen, also you need barracks to build orbital
>zerg
usually builds more hatcheries, overlords can move and scout, can be built without assistance of workers

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terran:
-complete wall off with a functioning door
-buildings can be repaired to full health fast even while being attacked
-buildings can lift off
-commnad centers can be built inside the safety of your base and then flied to its minerals.
neosteel upgrade gives every +2 armor to every building.(zerg cant upgrade building armor they have 0 and 1 armor buildings for all game)
-vision upgrade gives terran static air defense a range of 8.the biggest static defense range in the game.
-planetary fortresses with neosteel hav 5 armor
-can build anywhere

zerg:
-0 and 1 armor for buildings
-no home defense options like planetary fortress or photon overcharge
-can only build on creep
-buildings cant move
-no repair or fast-healing shields
-no wall in
-shitty static defense structures
-drones have to be sacrificied for every single building and static defense
-cancelling a building doesnt give you back the drone


just the right amount of fair.

>>376306532
hello stephano, we're playing lotv nowadays, not wol
>>376306601
>each race has a rough equivalent of those units so calm you tits
not reall, no. Airtoss with High templars is incredibly hard to beat for zerg. That being said the guys complaining in this thread are probably scrubs that play at a level where that kind of balance hardly matters.

>>376307524
A zerg has to respond to everything the opponent does. A terran just creates a bioball and rolls across the map.

What's with all the Starcraft threads recently?

>>376307524
>-no home defense options like planetary fortress or photon overcharge
you get creep movement speed
>-can only build on creep
you can put creep anywhere and it provides movement speed and vision
>-buildings cant move
spine crawler and spore crawler can, terran buildings while moving cant produce shit
>-no repair or fast-healing shields
queens have transfuse
>-no wall in
zerg can wall in
>-shitty static defense structures
zerg defense structures are not static which is a huge advantage
>-cancelling a building doesnt give you back the drone
yes it does

>>376307763
>That being said the guys complaining in this thread are probably scrubs that play at a level where that kind of balance hardly matters.
this desu

>>376307859
Brood War free, BW leagues starting up. Plus some folks like SC2 co-op which just got a content patch.

>>376307975
On the lower levels balance does matter, because some races are simply harder to become decent at.

>>376307004
>overlords not only are mobile supply, they can be used as detector and drop.
huh

>>376307859
i personally decided to wage jihad on /v/ and enlighten them about how starcraft 2 SP is a flawed masterpiece

>>376308592
Having your supply in the air is both an advantage and a disadvantage.

It's harder to defend your supply against air raids. Because you can't just block air units off easily. But on the other hand you can reposition it when needed. If your base falls, then you can probably save some supply.

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>>376303674
>that last dragoon

>>376308810
I wish you good luck on your mad quest

You will need it

>>376308529
If you're legitimately going to complain about balance because of skill floors, just play the easiest race if you're that unwilling to git gud.

>>376308989
That's how you can solve all balance problems.
>just pick another race dude

But the fact is at lower levels the Zerg needs a lot higher apm and more scouting than other races.

>>376309179
And you'd fix it by buffing zerg and breaking it at higher levels of play?

If you're willing to admit yourself that the issue is not the race being bad but you being too bad to play it properly, I fail to see the real issue.

Do you love the cartoony graphics of sc2?

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>it is a good day to die
browsing 4chan while in combat I see

>>376308810
Give me the Jimpill

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Brood war question, just curious here -
What is the role for firebats in current Terran meta?

>>376310268
killing Zeglings and pretty much nothing else

>>376310267
I am at a train station now and phoneposting is a pain in the arse
but the gist of Jimpill is that at the beginning of WoL he still loves Kerrigan but hates Queen of Blades, when we meet QoB in mission he calls her Kerrigan as if he was trying to find some bit of her that is still left, then Horner voices concern about what Jim might do when they meet her next after he catches Tychus snooping around in archives and then he boards Valerians ship who then tells him that he can save Sarah Kerrigan, also zeratul says that QoB is the only way to defeat the ancient evil, i think he explicitly says QoB so that might be a hint towards her becoming zerg again, also jimmy becomes a drunk so that also has effect on his choices

>>376311085
So SC2 happens because old Jimmy couldn't put away the bottle?

I usually play Zerg so I might be a bit biased. But Stukov feels like the best coop commander by far. I've never felt any threat on brutal when I played as him. And he can easily solo most maps (if you dont need to defend more than two points at a time).

What do you guys think?

>>376311506
swann. fast economy. strong early and late. teleporting dropships containing 10 tanks. best GtA unit in the entire mode,

>>376311357
Yes SC2 is an elaborate metaphore to discourage kids from drinking and being rebellious else they will bring about the end of the world and their gf will become a flaming alien
jokes aside SC2 happens because of the xel'naga, even if jimmy didnt drink the end result would be the same, his attitude would be different in some aspects, for example he wouldn't be carrying her in his arms after deinfesting her at end of WoL and he wouldn't mind her being Valerian's lab subject

>>376308810
The overall plot is an utter and complete shitshow, entirely on their own WoL and HoTS are alright but shit on the rest of the universe and previous build-up by throwing it away for a dumb angsty romance. LoTV is a bit weaker on it's own but in respect of the whole series is more in line with the tone of the universe and aside from the stupid fucking DBZ ending was a solid conclusion to the 5 year shitshow.

Thank fuck the Xel'Naga arc is over and something interesting can happen now.

>>376311932
>Thank fuck the Xel'Naga arc is over and something interesting can happen now.
in 10 years time friend

>>376305209
Compared to BW where anything else other than muta, scourge and overlords were useless

>muh guardians
>muh queens

Literally useless

>>376310268
1~2 for lings only. Only terran unit that works under dark swarm too iirc

>>376312853
They're great for sunken busts cuz they take an extra hit to die compared to a marine.

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Alarak spinoff when?

>>376313191
You now realize Alarak did nothing wrong.

>>376313427
He is pretty rude.

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>>376312167
>tfw Overwatch ruined Blizzard and instead if advancing the story with mission packs they're just going to make comics

It hurts

>>376313025
doesnt the marine survive with 1 hp even with no armor?

>>376313715
Well, they hit small units for 20, and the marines start at 40 hp, 0 armour. Firebats are 45 hp, 1 armour. These types of sunken busts are timing attacks before mutas so there won't be armor upgrades for the bio.

So yeah get just one armor upgrade and they'll survive the second hit with 2 hp left, but that's not when these happen.

>>376314006
It has been a really really long time since I played and I just played the campaigns without going MP and I remember that sunkens in SC1 have 40 damage but as an exception they do 39 to marines. And firebats have 50 HP.

>>376314092
no no no. Sunkens deal 40 damage, correct, but it's "explosive" type, which is penalised against "small units" by half.

>>376313656
It was reference to WoL coming out 12 years after BW, If more people bought Covert Ops DLC i think blizz would make more mission packs

>>376314092

>It has been a really really long time since I played and I just played the campaigns without going MP

You say this and yet you presume that you know this better than someone who clearly knows the game really well?

Don't be retarded. Your post is completely worthless.

>>376315563
except it might be they changed the sunken from 40 normal damage to explosive.

>>376314878
I think the reason this first mission pack didn't work was that it was just way too padded out and overall felt too much like a set of side-missions than an actual campaign, so people looking at $20 entry fee don't see it as being worth that much and I can't blame them, 2/3 of the first three missions are pretty bad (two stealth iirc) then the entire 2nd portion was pretty forgettable with only the third act being particularly interesting (and it only took Alarak invading Korhal).

It's paced like they were designing an actual 20ish mission campaign like the rest of SC2 and then half of it got scrapped or forgotten so the admittedly cool ideas like the upgrade system never got a chance to mature and be fleshed out beyond a gimmick.

>>376316230
Fuck, i want a WoL tier level design and branching campaign with nova tier customization with Tosh and/or Alarak

>>376303674
that tank staring at the goon like 'wtf is this nigger doing'

>>376303315
starcraft is ded son, move on

>>376316892
Fuck that loser

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>>376303315
Stalkers are cute! CUTE!

>>376318336
Why are their heads so low? What happen to them?

Reminder that Zeratul did nothing wrong

>>376311932
>but in respect of the whole series is more in line with the tone of the universe
The tone in the Starcraft series has been inconsistent sense the start, while the Terran campain has always been rather hard with its scfi and the protoss always been a rather mystical side of the scfi.

>>376318671
It's a dark templar mind fused in quadruped robot suit, where should they have constructed the head?

>>376321039
Why give it head then?

>>376318671
maybe they are upside down inside

>>376321243
It's not a head, it's clearly some sensor device that needed unobstructed placement

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WOW-A-JEW

>>376321325
Why make it look like head?

i dream of a Starcraft vs 40k versus fighting game
who should we include for the starcraft character ?

>>376321434
HYPNO-COMMAND
NAH-MAR-SOUL

>>376321730
Just looks vaguely spherical to me.

>>376322056
It's got a bandanna and eyes in close-up

>>376316756
Replaying WoL for 100% achievements recently made me appreciate it's level design a ton more, HoTS and LoTV were such a downgrade, having the Nova customization and adapting based on each level would have been a ton of fun if you had access to most of the upgrades for more than one level.

>>376320175
The fun of SC1 was how each race had a variety of tones, and those tones were then placed into a consistent feel for the universe. The most mystical the Protoss get is with the Templar and the Archons, everything else resembles them as being hyper-advanced tech-wise and that gives them the edge. For example look at the Starcraft 1 Zealot art, it looks like it is barely able to support itself but with the leg implants, body armor, and presumably other genetic or structure modifications it is one of the strongest fighting infantry units in the galaxy, because of the technology, the Protoss mysticism is a sub-theme of the Race in Starcraft while they are mainly an enigmatic technological super power. The closest they get to a universally recognized mysticism is the mind link they share but even then the Khala isn't even taken as extremely as it is in Starcraft 2 (in SC1 Zeratul chides Aldaris for letting Aiur fall to protect his "vaunted religion). In Starcraft 2 they took the idea of the Khala and crystals they use to harness their Psychic energy and decided that was all the Protoss needed, put crystals in everything make ridiculously extravagant designs because they're 'mystical'.

The same thing happened to Zerg, where they reduced the race down to 'bugs' and paid no attention to the themes of cosmic horror and eternal hunger for assimilating everything into itself, for all it's faults HoTS did some things is this direction and it's nowhere near as bad as the shift Protoss went in.

Terran as a whole was pretty well maintained, it's identity of space-cowboys got focused on a bit more but the scientific research and galactic federation are still there.

>>376323782
>The most mystical the Protoss get is with the Templar and the Archons, everything else resembles them as being hyper-advanced tech-wise and that gives them the edge
Until the dark Templars started to ramble that their dark energies was the only thing that could kill the Overmind and cerebrate, and the reason for it was magic.

>>376323935
Well they did put in some lore to make it acceptable (overmind using the same kind of psyenergy as dark templar use) and it was a good way to drive the conflict and show why protoss werent invincible. Didnt feel too forced to me