Let me explain to you why not torrenting your video games is

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>he justifies his piracy

Quite possibly the most neckbeard fedoralord post in a long time on /v/.

>>376302514
How bout just stop preordering and buying shitty games and buying objectively good ones.

>>376302592
well, no, anon.

I'm stealing.

It's just i'm smarter than you, and don't play by childish moral obligations to a social structure that no longer exists.

>>376302592
Why do pirates always feel the need to justify themselves though? Cant they just steal the game and play it without having to advertise?

>>376302746
they're moralfags

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>>376302663
Well, being that you can't effect the outcome, you can only effect your personal wealth, anyone with any brains wouldn't buy in the first place.

If you can get away with something, at no risk, and benefit significantly (I haven't brought a game in years, saving me thousands), then you're just flat out richer.

>>376302746
Because they know what they're doing is wrong

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>>376302893
Wrong according to the primitive, impulsive biological mechanisms in the brains of inferior intelligence individuals such as yourself.

You see the corperation that manufactures your entertainment products as a member of the tribe. And thus subject to your moral amplification of tribal responsibility.

You're reciprocating with a mega-corporation that cynically appeases you as little as possible for as much of your money as you're stupid enough to give it.

>>376302514
tl'dr; neckbeard neet justifies breaking the law and hurting the industry as much as exclusives do.

>>376302663
>objectively good games
wow anon how enlightening!

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>>376303068
I hate the industry. I want it to suffer.

I'm 80 dollars richer for every game i torrent, and 9 hours more entertained than i would have been otherwise.

You're 80 dollars poorer for the same experience. You're a cuck.

You're a god damned cuck to the publishers.

Shh OP don't tell them

>>376303360
They won't listen, i just want them to know. Subconsciously it'll eat at them.

I like knowing existential restructuring of the psyche can be caused by something as simple as the truth.

wtf im #woke now

>>376302514
Right, that hypothetical works if you're pirating the newest AAA failure.

Frankly I don't know why you'd want to play those games anyway. The hypothetical falls apart when you're discussing small teams with small fanbases and interesting ideas.

I like those games, I want to support them. I'm not over here exposing myself to bland slop games, hating the industry through over familiarity or contempt and constantly returning to the same 3 multiplayer games.

Whatever, do whatever the fuck you want. I don't care.

If every single game ever made was free, vidya wouldnt have come as far as it has. Shouldn't you therefore be shilling to make people buy more games?

>>376303604
>vidya wouldn't have come as far as it has
how is that a good thing

>>376303551
I support small developers and i support games i genuinely enjoy by purchasing them.

If the price is unreasonable, i do not.

But if it is, and it is enjoyable, i will.

>>376303604
There are three players. You, the publishers, and the rest of the sheeple idiots who'll buy the game no matter what. You as the individual are capable, and therefore morally responsible for, removing yourself from the equation and profiting as greatly as possible. Because one of the involved parties has already chosen that path, and you know they have.

The victims are either you, and everyone. Or just everyone else.

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I pirate everything! I don't give a SHIT!

>>376302660
>explain yourselves pirates
>pirate explains
>LOL UR JUST NECKBEARD FEDORA LOLOLOLOLOL

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>This is the best /v/ has to offer in refutation.

Disappointed.

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I direct download them

>>376303982
spot the neckbeard

>>376304072

>>376303982
FAGGOT

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>>376302514

Since developers will sell the game no matter what, and the sheeple will buy it no matter what, I as the outlier who can't affect the outcome, should pirate as much as possible?

I just don't play the games I don't want to play. The OP sounds like he came up with this convoluted bullshit because he can't stop playing the AAA games he claims to hate.
Also it's ironic to call people buying games sheeple, since you are dependent on these sheeple to keep buying games so you can continue enjoying the games you play.

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>>376304536
>It's ironic to call people sheeple when they're doing exactly what i want, and supporting my greed whilst i profit from their ignorance.

Absolute quality /v/ post.

If the inverse were true and your purchasing a game would have a positive effect on the vidya industry would you purchase what you could?

Or are you just a bitter poorfag using logic to justify your poorfag existence?
Serious question.

>>376302514
Since I have no words to describe how dumb you are OP, may this movie scene sum up my thoughts on Opening Post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

>>376304656
Well of course not.

People seem to have misunderstood my "quality/price" ratio statements. I'm not talking about quality to price ratio's with respect to what other people pay, i'm talking about my own. And paying zero dollars for something will ensure its quality to price ratio is pretty much as high as it can be.

I'm advocating selfishness at the expense of stupid people here.

Because publishers are already taking advantage of anyone who pays for their product. Why aren't you taking advantage of the other two parties?

>>376303148
>torrent all the games in the world
>obtain millions of australian imaginary currency
>retire and breed mortal beasts for the rest of my very short life
gg no re

>>376304913
I know how you feel, I laugh about people who buy bread because they could just bake their own bread. Fucking guild of bread bakers fucking everyone over who doesn't bake their own bread by pushing their greedy business strategy down their costumers throat. Who pays for bread?

>>376304230
Good argument anon

>>376304943
Oh, anon. Your simplistic understanding of commerce and capital is quite cute. There are many different types of property, and many different types of value that can be placed on them.

For example; A torrented video game has no value. Remove the ability to torrent it, and suddenly its value is that which you can attain it monetarily. Which i guarantee you isn't as low as torrenting.

You see, anon?

I'm glad.

>>376305037
As long as i don't pay for bread, i don't really care.

Do you know what goes into organising and making a videogame, how many people you need, how much money it will make? Triple AAA studios have gorillions of dollars of funding but a small team making a 15 dollar game for Steam doesn't. Wonder how shit like Mighty N9 and other projects managed to incinerate all their money and make a shit game, it's because it's not as easy as it looks to make it all come together. Independent game devs need more support than you think, often they do other freelance work to not go bankrupt until they can release their game and hope it makes some money.
Just get a fucking job and buy the games instead of doing extreme mental gymnastics in order to to justify you being poor and childish on a Bhutanese clock crafting image board.

>>376305114
>you will never be autistic enough to take blatant jokes seriously
why even live

>>376302514
Wow. Really made me think. I can't wait to see this thread posted every week from now on. 10/10 quality shit post

>>376305169
Oh i actually misread the last part of that and assumed it was serious. Sorry, m8. Not actually autistic, just a victim of poe's law.

Gave me a chuckle btw, gg.

>>376305148
Something like this
>pirating some big AAA game
Fine, they have enough market appeal that individual decisions really don't matter since the masses and marketing departments will decide, and they're completely faceless huge companies
>pirating some niche indie game made by 5 people without buying it after you enjoyed it
Yer a complete faggot harry, and shooting yourself in the foot to boot since supporting them makes it more likely that they'll make more content for/like the thing you enjoyed

>>376302514

>I just found out about game theory: The Post

Good for you OP

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>>376305525
Well actually i'm pretty well educated in a few key mathematical concepts founding game theory, but i'm not academically inclined towards it whatsoever.

But good sales is what got Digimon games localised again.

>>376305631
You don't get to be "inclined" towards game theory or not. Game theory is a simple mathematical model that just describes mathematical solutions to certain types of situations. It's not a matter of preference or choice anymore than Pythagorean theorem is.

>>376302514
Wait, how the fuck is that a prisoner's dilemma?

>>376302880
>effect
You mean affect, for both times you used effect

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>>376305939
>

I did, i'm retarded.

>>376305743
>Game theory is a simple mathematical model

I think you'd be very surprised the level of detail that games can go into.

>>376305807
It's not. It's also not anything else. It's an incredibly obvious bait betting everything on saying something so insanely obviously stupid that even most fairly uneducated and clueless people will still realize how dumb it is and feel the urge to call it out, hence making it relatively effective bait with wide appeal.

I don't get it, what's wrong with capitalism? The motivation of profit is what influences them to create these games in the first place. Do you really think they're create video games if they didn't profit and it was just "for the public good"?

>>376306023
>I think you'd be very surprised the level of detail that games can go into.
Detail does not matter, principles do. And while the actual problems it may address can go into rather extensive complexity, accounting for multiple factors and and for huge number of possible outcomes (as game theory always solve issues that involve multiple agents, and therfor has to account for multiple possible permutations of their choices and their results): it's "Simple" in that it just does a mathematical and statistical analysis of all out comes, and if there are defined preferential conditions, simply identifies the possibilities more statistically likely to result in the preferential conditions being met.

So yeah, the math itself is not simple, but the principle of application of game theory is. Everything else is just essentially number-crunshing.

>>376306087
Nothing. OP is just pretending to be a retard for the sake of attention and to instigate something resembling a discussion. I mean, how long have you been around here?

>>376306087
The problem isn't capitalism, the problem is shitty people who could deliver quality and productivity but rather not because people is dumb and they have no shame nor morals.
And lets not get into companies who actively shit on smaller companies or publishers because the free market isn't actally free and monopolies are held for the sake of not making people see good quality products that could make other be on a competitive enviorment which capitalism was funded on.

>>376305939

Not that guy, but the affect/effect thing always trips me up. How are you supposed to know which one is correct?

>>376302514
If you want something pay something of equal value for it, it's simple.
You're advocating communism.
My bad, this actually seems more like Anarchy with every man for himself.
If game devs get no money because everybody pirates they'll see no reason to continue making games.
There's a reason we have rules and regulations.
So you can't cheat others and others don't cheat you.
It's simple you pay for a game you get the experience it's same with a movie or watching a play. You pay for the experience.
With a game you also pay for the experience however you have a copy for physical of it. With the physical copy you can sell it and lose the copy and with that the ability to experience it.

What's so hard to get?

I will note piracy doesn help some games get noticed, and people may purchase the real copy. However this stems from a lack of demos for people to fully experience it. Also it is unfair to people to played the game and bought it and people who played the game and didn't buy it.

>>376306828
I just use offect and the context of the sentences automically overrides my spelling mistake.

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>>376303043
>primitively impulses
>inferior intelligence individuals such as yourself
>you're stupid enough to give it
>that pic

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>>376302746

>>376302708
Jesus christ autismo, just fuck up and pirate.

>>376304413
People always make fun of this picture. But he has the pose down.

>>376302514

That's retarded and not a prisoner's dillemma at all. You claim to be intelligent yet you don't even know what you're talking about (/v/ in a nutshell).

The actual prisoner's dilemma would be:

You can torrent the game and save money, or you can pay for the game.

If everyone else pays for the game, and you torrent = you win bigtime because the game still gets funded for more content, but you didn't pay.

If everyone torrents = everyone gets the game but after that the dev has no more money. Everyone loses moderately.

If everyone pays for the game, then it's neutral because you paid (bad) but the game will continue to be developed.

If you pay, and everyone else torrents, then you lose bigtime paying for a dead game. You got meme'd.

>>376307184
Turns out this is from the Australia NSW parks service signs. Saw it the other day.

Unless the parks service just has a memer designing their signs.

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these (hourly) threads are both created by, and maintained by, social engineers that work for big business

both the people posting, and the 'counterpoints,' are all shills

their endgame is to moralize copyright in your mind, which has never been a moral question, in fact it is rarely even a legal question

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>>376303148
>I hate the industry. I want it to suffer.

-/v/ -- Video Games

>>376302514
Until retail platforms like steam stop trying to scam Australians with ridiculous, erroneous price gouging, it will be reasonable for these people to continue using off-market key-resellers or torrents.

>>376308007
Copyright is absolutely a moral question. Everything is a moral question.

We need copyright laws. Charles Dickens died poor because people just kept copying his books and selling them without paying him a dime.

But at the same time, copyright has currently gone too far: creator's life + 70 years is just fucking ridiculous and has swung far too much in favour of the copyright holders. Think of Disney who made their money off stuff that was in the public domain, then they lobbied governments for longer and longer copyright periods.

Of course that is rarely relevant to videogame franchises which are mostly pretty young <20 years old.

>>376308270
This desu.

I stopped buy any games aside from shit that's marked down by at least 50% after the Christmas sale where R* bumped the price of GTAV from $75 to $100*USD* so they could then apply the 27% off or whatever it was to bring it down to $70.

>>376302514
That's not how prisoner's dilemma works.
The only players are the, uh, players. The company cannot really influence this.

Option 1:
If all players "cooperate" and buy the vidya, it's the best for everyone because prices can go down with no piracy and better games are made.

Option 2:
If no players cooperate (everyone torrents), everyone loses because companies go bankrupt and no more vidya is made.

Option 3:
If some players buy the vidya, those who buy it lose (money) while those who don't get it for free. Shittier games are made with DRM out of the ass and preorders and DLC to cover the costs.

As you can see, Option 3 is the safe choice since you do not have to invest, but everyone loses a bit.
Option 1 is the optimal choice where you get access to the best vidya.

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>>376302514
>The quality/price ratio will slide down.
This is not evident.

a) Obscurity is not a measure of quality. Even if there's complicity, in a too big to fail mentality, the public still relies primarily on it's own watchdogs(which granted, can be infiltrated by shills) and close word of mouth. Dungeon Keeper revival failed, Microsoft went from 1st in gen 8 to dead last xboned in the span of a presentation.

b) There's a clear eroding of taste, or rather a redefinition of the fluid identity of such. /pol/, the dumb fucks, would call this degeneracy, but it's only the natural shift in song and tune as new generations replace or overshadow older members of a group. But this can be observed both on a macro and on a micro level, it's not inherent to faceless collectives.

c) As a group becomes bigger, the expectations of the meta grandfalloon subconsciously become thinner(because it has to please not only the Mordecai the Nerd but also Christiana Tumblerina and Chad Thundercock). True, but this doesn't necessarily lead to a drop in quality or the blind acceptance of the entire group. Membership is also fluid, just because le /v/ hivemind doesn't like game means I don't like game, and that doesn't make either of us any less of a gamer. One of those criteria is, after all, not falling through the floor at random intervals. And, if worse comes to worst, it can just be denounced as non-core and given the MLP treatment.

I pirate because I'm a cheap-ass though

>>376308938

God Rockstar are some of the worst devs in the business at the moment. Scummy practices and not a good game in over a decade. Can't believe I used to be a fan.