>It's TF2 thread time, Doctor

>/v/ literally has a better general for tf2 than /vg/ does with /tf2g/
really makes you think

>>376290260
Actual generals are cancer because it's filled with people who have been talking about the same game for hundreds of threads, unofficial generals are good because it's filled with people who just decided they wouldn't mind chatting about a game for a bit.

>>376290260
Generals have their own board for a reason ya know. It always devolves into avatarfagging/furfaggotry no matter what.

Overwatch is better.

>>376290215
I stopped playing this game because I was tired of downloading 2gb updates every other week for the new batches of hats.

How many hats do they have now?

@376290371
*replies*

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Who would win in a 2v2? Pharah and Mercy or Soldier and Medic?

>>376290260
this ain't no general sonjust a tf2 thread, but at least here we discuss the game like a real thread
generals in vg are cancer because they devolved into social gatherings for the same recurring tripfags, basically like a subreddit

>>376290456
>soldier jumps up with market gardener while she floats lazilly
>shotguns the rest


On topicish, why doesn't overwatch have any heal rate changes based on damage.

>>376290456
Soldiers rocket jump is more available than pharahs jet pack boost

also sidearm shotgun, and I'd say tf2 melee attacks are more deadly

Overwatch is a great game, I'll agree with you.

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>recent resurgence in civil, fun TF2 threads
>recently started playing again with a couple of friends

It's a nice little coincidence. Been ages since I delved into my TF2 folder.

>>376290456
Soldier is the most powerful class in either game. TF2 stomps.

>the comic will NEVER be finished

why live

>>376290456
What do those characters do and how fast are they?

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>>376290456
>med can buff soldier in 1.2 seconds
>mercy can't do shit
>med can heal from a distance with the crossbow
>mercy can't
>syringe gun out dps mercy
>mercy have 50 more health than med
>mercy can fly
>med can uber
>med can raise the dead
>mercy heals at 60 per sec
>med heals at 24 per sec, 72 after taking no damage for a few seconds

>soldier and Pharah have 200 hp
>both can rocket jump, Pharah have a cool down on hers, soldier don't
>pharah have more rockets in the clips and out dps stock
>soldier reloads and fires faster
>pharah' rocket are faster

>soldiers shotgun can do 90 a direct hit
>pharah has no secondary
>shotgun is hitscan

Soldier and Med wins

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O.o hey /tfg/! what do you think of my demoknight!? ^^

>>376290260
not sure about that.
/vg/s general is cancer because of the trip fagottry, but at least they know the game somewhat. /v/s gameplay opinions about it are terrible.

>>376291584
The only people here with terrible opinions are 6s shitters who want valve to balance shit around a format with half sized teams that only plays one gamemode.

>>376291435

Much as I liked Tactics Advance 2, I can't help but think the guy designing the protagonist was trying to figure out the upwards limit of ridiculous outfits he could put in a Final Fantasy game.

Who would win in a fight, Heavy or the same Heavy but wearing a different color?

>>376291435

Delicious pizza

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Still the best Pyro hat after all these years.

>>376291882
Pyro already had a hat. And that was better.

>>376290215
is it weird that i only play the same fourish maps? for years? i feel like im missing out if i dont change my rotation

>>376292192
Yes, you dweeb. Ban yourself from playing on any 24/7 servers. Go join a community server what plays custom maps like pl_cashworks and OH WAIT THERE ARE NONE

>>376292413
cashworks was amazing.
wish valve was open to adding new maps as they were hats.

I mean not AS open ...

>>376292413
>>376292481
(You)

>>376292560
Remember when they found a way to monetize maps AND make a hat at the same time?

>be 12-13 years old
>started playing tf2 around the heavy update
>golden age of gameplay novelty, sandvitch memeing, great community
>great background lore for the autists and meta nerds, dedicated servers, many great times formed
>scout update comes next, sandman kinda lame at first but come to love it, plus more maps are coming out now, game is at it's peak
>grinding those achievement servers
>sniper spy update, payload race, and hats, first minor, now everyone wants one
>now we enter the age of idlers
>the cancer and the decline followed after the community flood of shit

>>376290215
Post best webms

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>>376293337
>webms were implemented way after I had stopped playing TF2
>my folder is pure gifs

Wow. I did not know I was in this hell.

>>376293242
I miss when things weren't explained and the spytech stuff was all mysterious.

>those days in 2fort where I had my nose up against the glass looking in at all the rooms just wondering

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Rate my Frenchman.

>>376293879
1/10, needs more french

>>376293910
How can i make him even frenchier?

>>376293879
>1024x768
What the fuck man

>>376293879
>chapeau
Put that edgelord spy main hat down and put on a real hat. Potassium Bonnet

>>376294168
It's my comp setting.
>I believe the "4:3 can make your aim better" meme

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>>376294239
I want potassium bonnet, but that shit is kinda rare.

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I fucking love the Beggar's Bazooka

>Pyro is a class all about flanking and taking out key targets from the back
>Most people go out in the open, W+M1'ing
>Not really any movement options except for the Powerjack

Why is it suffering to be Pyro?

>>376294581
I see you are a man of culture as well. Overload jumping is fucking fun.

>>376294674
>Pyro is a class all about flanking
>Without the backburner, he can't even win against a surprised unrevved heavy

>>376290456
what are their feats.?

>>376294717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bS4oPbaTos

Crazy fun with the cannon too

>>376293879
trash
>>376294431
trash
>>376294581
trash

cosmetics were a mistake

>>376294674
Pyro isn't a class about flanking and taking out key targets.

Pyro is a defensive, stalling class. You reflect spam, keep your teammates safe, and protect your team from anyone who would get near them.

Only people you kill are people who overextend or retards

>>376294798
Being too poor to afford them is ok anon, you don't have to be all angry about it.

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Reminder that Europe has the best demomen in the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamuLPfQibU

>>376294776
I can never get the cannon timing right, even tho i can air pogo with stickies no problem. The whole weapon just messes with me.

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Cheapo

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poor medic

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Cosmetics weren't the mistake, it was CS:GO skins.

>>376294918
Why would I waste money on things that don't even look good? You think Valve doesn't have enough money? You think Valve deserves it? They're killing the game. They killed the community servers. They've cluttered the game with useless weapons and ugly visuals. I would rather donate my money to a charity.

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>>376294986
I would Pocket you

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dumping OC

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IT'S NOT FAIR

>>376294902
Well I mean, Pyro can do that as a Homewrecker or the old Degreaser Pyro, but Back Burner and stock and the piece of shit known as the phlog seem to revolve around the Pyro flanking targets to surprise the hell out of them. Hell, the flare gun variants and melee weapons other than the Homewrecker also reflect this.

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>>376295129

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>>376295179

>>376295112
>Why would you buy something that doesn't do anything?
>Why buy videogames, don't you think the industry has enough money?
>It's all just pixels anyway
>Why buy decoration for your house? It doesn't do anything, it's just useless guff
>Why spend money at all, let's just sit home and look at it until we all die

>>376293879
That jacket is fucking garbage and you're using the cloak and dagger but NOT the l'etranger.

>>376295159
If anything, the idea is that rather than pushing behind, you hide and kill them when they try to do it to you. But "original" design aside, this is less and less viable with competence. Neither of these things will work against skilled players anywhere near consistently.

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>I'll never get my old Baby Face Blaster back

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>>376295241

>>376295112
>Not grinding metal to trade for them instead

>>376295264
Who are you quoting?

>>376294902
Not even Valve knows what pyro does. All his weapons make him a half assed jack of all trades, every class can you what he doe better

Where is the Engineer webm?

You know the one.

>>376295271
I usually use the stock watch, this was a loadout i was dicking around with a bunch of friends.
>Sneaking slowly behind the enemy lines
>Cap while everyone is fighting in the front lines
Good times

>>376295264
real life decoration made of wood or other components that are actually real make sense as an investment
paying for cosmetics that are already in thee game and promoting microtransactions that dont add anything at all to the gameplay is just dumb
its sad that i have to spell it out for you

>>376295337
(You)

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>>376295392
this one?

>>376295482
No.

The one with the blood spatter effect at the end

>>376295264
>>376295439
So this is the level of discourse for the modern TF2 customer, impressive.

>>376294969
it's to be easy a european demoman apparently man they're just at amazing this game

>>376295431
>The cosmetics and unlocks kept a large chunk of the playerbase going
>New players constantly arriving because they like the freedom TF2 gives them to experiment with play styles.
>Vanilla shitters still want back the stale old TF2
You are the dumbest people i have ever met.

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>>376295548
im afraid i dont have that one
have this medic fail instead

>>376290215
>Before Overwatch everyone disliked TF2 because it was too popular
>After Overwatch everyone hated this game because it was too popular
>Everyone is sucking Gaben's TF2 dick

Contrarians. Contarians everywhere. You'l hop on any vidya dick that no one has never heard of before. Retards.

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Where do you guys go to trade cosmetics? There must be a dozen TF2 trading websites and I have no idea which ones are still active.

>>376295556
see >>376295667

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>they will never fix the bison
>they will never make the short stop useful
>pyro will never get a primary to compliment the electric sign weapon
>the pomson will never be good
>hitreg is still a fickle bitch

>>376295667
>cosmetics
>playstyles
what
unlocks are fun, i have nothing against them
the thing i dislike is cosmeticfags you autist

>still remember that time 6 years ago when I was new to the game and I traded my key for a normal festive medigun
I don't even like medic wtf I was I thinking

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>tfw an ubered medic can die to telefrag

>>376295731
Try backpack.tf, it's probably the best website.
If you want faster but slightly jewed trading go to scrap.tf, they have trading bots that jew a bit of metal off you, but they are lightning fast.

I unboxed 3 unusuals in a row out of a total of 4 crates.

Nobody believes me.

>>376295769
hitreg is perfectly fine. it must be your internet
lagcompensation never fails, and the hitboxes are great for a 2007 game.
also dont you find it wierd that the pomson and the R. Bison replace exactly the same weapon, but soldier only gets to have the shitty Bison

>>376295778
The cosmetics help for the same reason unlocks help, people like to stand out, and TF2 gives them an option to do so.

>>376290415
Somewhere around 3,000, but you don't have to worry about that any more. The majority of updates for TF2 at this point in its lifespan are bugfixing updates, and the next update coming is giving Pyro weapons and some new maps.

>>376295264
>Why would you buy something that doesn't do anything?
Well, if it looked good in the first place, maybe this would hold water.
>Why buy videogames, don't you think the industry has enough money?
Have you looked at Valve's earnings? Meanwhile games bomb all the time, sometimes good ones that do deserve money.
>It's all just pixels anyway
Okay?
>Why buy decoration for your house? It doesn't do anything, it's just useless guff
A new paint job can look good, new furniture has a function. You can buy things for houses that look good. Can't really say the same for TF2.
>Why spend money at all, let's just sit home and look at it until we all die
What an stupid simplification, I bet you really disappoint your English teachers.

>>376295854
Show don't tell.

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Guess who bought an unusual taunt?

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>>376295392

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decent training mode when

>>376295890
The pomson isn't very good nowadays seeing as it no longer pierces.
What they should do is make the pomson's projectile travel faster, and restore the bison's piercing effect, and make the pomson available to any class that can wield a shotgun. I'd be fine if they ditched the draining effect on the pomson, I thought it was a little bullshit.

>>376295956
That looks awesome.

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>>376295827
Thanks, Anon. I always drop my spaghetti when I trade with people so maybe bots are the answer.

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>>376295986
Is there a particular reason this gets posted constantly? I don't even have to enter TF2 threads, I'm guaranteed to see this on the front page at least once a day.

>>376295956
You know, as much as I rag on TF2's aesthetics going to shit, this looks like it came straight out of Psychonauts and I love it.

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>>376295986
>the ancient broder fragmovie
its a classic but you can tell top players back then were much worse
heres full version in case someone wants a look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fCpAuxrQ_I

>>376296007
It's not that hard honestly... They are as scared as you are

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>>376295956
>googly-eye pink ghost disco pyro is all-year-round
>Medic's Einstein hair is Halloween only

>>376295956
>unusual taunts

I was much happier having forgotten these are a thing that exists.

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>>376295998
Bison projectile is even slower than pomson, being the slowest projectile in the game
its such an useless weapon right now its laughable
Pomson is also a little weak, but man, they really went nuts with the bison nerf.

Anyone else get the TF2 soundtrack? What do you think of the hat that came with it?

>>376296189
*Anyone else get the TF2 hat? What do you think of the soundtrack that came with it?
ftfy

>>376294898

Fuck, the crossbow is so good. Saving people from across the map or up in the air gives a rush that only airshots exceeds.

>>376295049

Yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement with this. The CSGO type skins are just awful looking all round, they don't work with TF2's aesthetic. That and using the same system of grading cosmetics from CSGO kinda made the economy even worse. Now you get absolute shit looking hats selling for top notch on the market because they got a purple name to them.

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>>376296115
A few weeks ago I saw this motherfucker driving around with an unusual bumper-car taunt.

>>376296052
Because it's fucking hilarious?

>>376295147
What's wrong? It drops 125 hp classes faster with just 2 clacks. Shortstop is good.

>>376296181
The worst part is they crippled the piercing effect, claiming it was a bug. For fuck's sake it was a tooltip on the fucking loading screen for like 3 years. What the fuck are they doing.
I also wish they'd give grodbort weapons to the other classes, I'd sell my left nut for a windup minigun, just reduce the "ammo" capacity to 100 and make the heavy crank it to restore it.
I fucking love the weird gimmick weapons but god damn if Valve isn't hellbent on making them useless now.

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>>376296264
they are also the kind of skins that people wouldnt download if they were on gamebanana, but since valve gives them artificial value in TF2 a few peoplee actually use them.
golden weapons are also pretty ugly imo

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>>376291806
not him but a couple things worth mentioning here, as a person who has only played a few 6s lobbies.
>half sized teams
If you want to play TF2 in a skill-based and fair environment, then smaller team sizes help immensely in organizing teams to play against each other. The more people you have, the harder it is to reconcile everyone's real life schedule.

It's also a lot easier to communicate and use teamwork in TEAM Fortress 2 when there are less people talking at the same time on voice chat. 6 players per team means a higher amount of fun teamwork.
>who want valve to balance shit around a format
It's not going to hurt pub TF2 for Valve to balance the game around 6s.
Do you know the sort of weapons banned in the 6s list? They include Darwin's Danger Shield, Vita-Saw, and Reserve Shooter. Annoying crutches. Them being nerfed would improve the quality of TF2 for everyone.
> that only plays one gamemode
Well, to correct you, KOTH is played frequently in 6s.

It's true that 6s players play 5CP too much and honestly it is a flawed mode, but look at the alternatives. Payload requires you to babysit the cart, A/D maps are mostly terribly designed Dustbowl/Junction tier with few exceptions, and CTF is just all around SHIT.

I really hated the class updates. When it first started, my dad and I played all the time, we even played in the beta, but as more and more weapons and cosmetic shit was released, it pushed my dad further and further away from the game. In the end we both stopped playing.

I miss playing with him.

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>>376296356
they have been doing a decent job with nerfs, you can tell from how open the competitive whitelist has been getting. but sometimes they do things out of nowhere like the bison nerf or the medigun speed buff that just confuse people
also they buffed the crossbow so many times theres not a single reason to use anything else as medic. i doubt anyone would mind if every primary other than crossbow was removed.

>>376296385
>Miss Pauling got more SFM lewds
>almost zero drawn lewds

This is the worst timeline.

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>>376293802
>those days in 2fort where I had my nose up against the glass looking in at all the rooms just wondering
I had the exact same experience anon
There's still a lot of mystery though. We don't know what Administrator is planning, we don't know everything that was going on in the bowels of the RED and BLU facilities, and we don't know who Pyro is.

>>376296181
Someone post the picture of the Scout cosplayer with the dad standing in the doorway

>>376294246
>He actually fell for it
>He has no idea of all the information missed by playing in 4:3

It's actually very obvious that you're playing in 4:3. I spot you shitters all day in CS.

>>376296542
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Scout+cosplayer+with+the+dad+standing+in+the+doorway&t=ffcm&iax=1&ia=images

>>376295241
What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander. Banning weapons and limiting classes was the best option for 6s leagues since they can't change the game, but in the case of Matchmaking, Valve should balance the weapons and classes rather than adding arbitrary bans.

>>376291806
ctf is awful as a gamemode. the timer on the intel makes it unplayable since any spy can just touch the intel and reset it.
payload could probably work but people dont like how slow it is
6s players just chose whats the most fun to them, and thats 5cp.
counter-strike comp is only one gamemode, but you arent forced to play that gamemode in casual so why hate on that?

>>376296385
>Annoying crutches
I don't think you understand what this term means.

A crutch is used by someone who is unable to play in order to bring it to a more acceptable level, but will hinder someone trying to use it who doesn't need it.

DDS/VitaSaw/RS aren't crutches. They're just upgrades. They don't hinder a skilled player, they simply buff them. They're banned because they're too strong.

>>376296602
a classlimit of 1 in medic heavy and demo is a must regardless
playing against 2 of any of those classes in 6 player teams is just awful
id be fine with playing with all the retard weapons if they just had classlimits.
theres a reason comp MM is a joke to comp players
>that mappool
>that amount of cheaters
>no classlimitsss

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>>376295923
>an stupid
>english teachers

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>>376295284
it was a blatantly overpowered and cancerous item on the class that's the best 1v1 fragger even without it though

>>376296610
I have no problem with 6s only playing one game mode, I have a lot of fucking problems with how they all seem to want the game to be balanced based on their format that maybe a few thousand people play.

>376296368

>they are also the kind of skins that people wouldnt download if they were on gamebanana

Okay, that's a pretty good case in point. A good example being that God awful black flamethrower with what I assume to be purple lightning bolts on it. Australium weapons are kinda mehh though. I haven't seen any that I'm particularly impressed by. If they made an australium bison I'd be down for that though.

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i would encourage at least trying 6s before shitting all over it
its the most fun ive ever had in a FPS game
theres some people that imply it cant possibly be fun for some reason

>>376296815
theres like 2 weapons banned specifically because of the maps/gamemodes. only the rescue ranger comes to mind, because as engie you can sit in spawn repairing your sentry from a distance and switch class as soon as its destroyed

the rest are banned because they are just more powerful than everything else and introducing them actually kills variety, because you either use them or lose to them (crit-a-cola, quick-fix)

>>376296815
So, you'd rather they just don't balance items? Leave it to the chaos of numbers? At best, they have a well-balanced competitive game. At worst, it doesn't fucking matter because 12+ players a team you can't balance

>>376296702
>a classlimit of 1 in medic heavy and demo is a must regardless
Nah, what needs to happen is a Medic rework and a Heavy rework.
>Heavy is a boring as fuck class only maybe 20 people enjoy, yet also one of the most overpowered and stalemate-inducing classes
>Medic is objectively the most OP class in TF2 (as a person who plays him) being VITAL to win and you instantly lose if you don't have one, forcing someone to play him, and honestly pretty boring, especially for everyone who isn't me.

Neither Heavy nor Medic are in an acceptable position, both entertainment-wise and balance-wise. Limiting them is just slapping a band-aid on the problem, when Valve has the ability to finally fix the problem.

Class limits are shit because they give trolls/idiots a way to fuck up Matchmaking easily (instalock Medic and go AFK, costing your team the game), they make people miss out on enjoying their main, and they reduce the number of interesting strategies you can use.

Why is this game such garbage compared to overwatch?

>>376290215
>no decent arena servers
>gifted all the weapons I unlocked

I want to get back into it, but I can't. It's dead Jim

>>376296815
>they all seem to want the game to be balanced based on their format that maybe a few thousand people play
But anon, like I said in >>376296385, that isn't a bad thing. 6s players only ban about 20 weapons, and most of them are terrible for the game as it is.

6s players want the game to be as fast, fun, skill-based and exciting to watch as possible.

@376297138
(You)
>>/r/overwatch

>>376297138
fuck off shill, thanks for the bump tho

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>>376297142
>casual killed most normie's pub servers
>the comp community bubble is completely unnafected
>mge and jump servers are still perfectly fine
feelsgood

>>376297234
>shill

I don't even play overwatch except for a couple of free weekends. I can easily say it's better than this game though.

>>376296940
>So, you'd rather they just don't balance items?
While I never said nor implied that no, it wouldn't be the end of the world if they cared substantially less about balancing the game. TF2 has existed for 9 years without giving the slightest fuck about comp and it was a damn great game. Now they start pushing for comp and gosh it sure seems like that update was the worst in the history of the game, weird how that worked out huh? TF2 has never needed to be a competitive game.

>>376297249
>can no longer find any servers that have rotating maps
>all community servers are 24/7 shitty maps, jump, mge, etc
I just want to play TF2 and have maps rotate without having to requeue.

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Post stats.

Is there any video game franchise, where all your seab games are super very easy and without any difficulty?

>>376297364
get your friends to play on tf2maps servers
theres also a bunch of good servers in Europe like RGC and that czech one that plays old maps.

>>376297352
Care to explain? What was so bad? The weapon changes? Only people who hated that were bison users. The competitive mode? Doesn't impact non-competitive play.

The problem was them pushing the stupid casual queue bullshit (which has nothing to do with the existence of competitive). Balancing around 6v6 will do nothing to pub play, except maybe see a win for blues on dustbowl about once per year.

>>376295986
Comedy gold.

>>376290215
Man I'm trying to get back into TF2 but casual mode is so fundamentally worse than old valve servers that it's hard to have fun

And don't suggest community servers either because 32 man Instant Respawn Dustbowl or Idle Minecraft Trading are not real options

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>>376297429
i only played like 3 matchees of casual so im gonna post my tf2center stats from tf2playerrankings instead

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>>376297429
:3

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>>376297625
>dont suggest community servers because the shit community servers are shit
theres some good ones too you know?
but i hate casual as much as you

>>376297802
Please list good community servers
I'm desperate for some Anon.

>>376297894
6s was designed to make the game as fast as possible not more fun

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>5 minutes on the clock
>The payload cart is just INCHES away from the final point
>Enemy team has a strong defense around it
>With the aid of a good medic and Demoman we manage to break through their defenses but die in the process
>Nobody on our team pushes the cart
>Nobody even ATTEMPTS to push until there's 30 seconds left on the clock giving the enemy team ample time to shore up their defenses again
>We lose

I know it's casual but why do people do this? Even in the most objective based game mode how do people just blatantly ignore the cart?

>>376297925
im european so i only know the european ones
>TF2Maps.net (both NA and EU)
Maplist of actual GOOD custom maps.
>Rebel Gamers Clan (Spain)
195.154.161.208:27015
Varied maplist with loads of old goodies and custom maps.
>GameDay Iroda
195.228.152.171:27015
Some Czech server i found randomly that plays lesser known official maps and loads of interesting maps.

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>>376297429

>>376297945
6v6 would be GOAT if they didn't play 5CP
Payload and KOTH are way better gamemodes.

>>376297925
>>376298107
also dont expect these to get populated often. They don't run 2fort or turbine or cp_orange.
Convince your friends to join you and invite their friends aswell to populate them, like in the old days.

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>>376296490
Especially because the SFM models are so shitty and always resemble SFM Short Pauling instead of Comic Pauling.

I want that ass on my face regardless though.

>>376298162
>6v6 would be GOAT if they didn't play 5CP
having trouble finding your way through the map?
>payload
designed for more players. has huge sightlines. the cart moves extremelly slowly so even a great team takes a long time to win
>koth
it usually degenerates into DM fests wich is why people dont like it that much. 5cp requires more gamesense.

i really like 5cp

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>still have this as my HUD

I'm glad that normies didn't ruin David but there are some things I still miss, even if they gracefully left the spotlight.

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>>376297975
fun is extremelly subjective
i find more fun playing 6s than having to spend 10 minutes exchanging spam in highlander to get through a chokepoint

>>376297802
>>376297925
http://critsandvich.com/

>>376298390
neat. reminds me of the deceased ubercharged.net community, except they didnt have meme Engineer Wars or "funbox" stuff

>>376298162
While 5CP definitely has its issues, it's still the best choice. Encompasses tons of types of play. Fast pushes, strong defensives, control of momentum and pacing, etc. It's a combination of A/D and Koth, with the strength of momentum of payload and CTF.

Payload requiring 1-2 players as a permanent cart-bitch is plain not enjoyable in a competitive setting.

Koth is fun, but there are so few maps worth playing on. Viaduct is played in competitive, just FYI

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post good custom maps
pic related is basically gravelpit but better

>>376298676
>momentun
>CTF
Literally the least well designed official gamemode. people dont enjoy CTF, they enjoy CTF maps and ignore the objective.

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>>376298687
>haven't played that map in almost 4 years

Holy shit, I never thought a picture of a map could instill such sorrow in me.

>>376298737
Not trying to argue in favor of CTF, but its definitely momentum based, it used to be played in competitive. You'd try to lock down their flag room while one of your players was capping and get multiple off the push. Or just plain try to turn a player advantage into a quick push behind as a team, followed by a quick push back to mid.

>>376298271
>having trouble finding your way through the map
I have over 3k hours, I know every map by heart man.
>>376298676
Yeah, I do agree that Payload requires more than 6 people though, being cartbitch is not good gameplay. KOTH is much more intensive IMO, and is much more exciting to play and watch than the stallfests that frequently happen on 5CP.

>>376298798
i learnt about its existance in the first week of MapChamp in 2017
it happens every sunday in mixchamp, if you like custom maps you're gonna love it.
http://www.teamfortress.tv/39377/mapchamp-by-champ-gg

>>376296241
Crossbow is really good, but medics who use it on point blank range( and miss 2~3 bolts) instead of healing make me rage. Crossbow really shines at range.

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>>376298838
you're gonna love this mate
best custom koth map i've ever seen
http://www.teamfortress.tv/35544/koth-bagel

>>376297802
>>376297925
http://www.nom-nom-nom.us/

>>376297894
>food
>analogy

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>>376296241
Crossbow is, in essence, OP. It makes the best class stronger and gives him abilities he was never meant to have, like sniping people at long range, for basically no relevant downside.

And Valve keeps buffing it anyway

Fun gun, but overbuffed.

>>376296341
It was near useless compared to scattergun and then they nerfed it to hell and back.

I just want to be Milkman scout again

quick-fix heals too much
crit-a-cola shouldnt exist

>>376299153
It was actually decent pre-nerf if you abused the +reload console glitch and saw some minor play at a moderately high level on maps like sunshine with larger fight distances and little cover.

Post-nerf you can M2 to shove it straight into the trash.

>>376299287
who are these people

>>376299327
http://teamfortress.tv

>>376299290
I didn't abuse any glitches and I had tons of fun with it regardless. Especially when you could be 150 hp scout.

I still used it as my main after they removed the slow-effect but the doubled reload time is just straight unfair, just like the Pyro critaxe.

>mfw 4 critshots doing over 200 hp each

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>>376299327
>not knowing who's b4nny

>>376296815
the weapons they ban are generally pretty stupid regardless of setting. The atomizer lets you dodge 90 damage rockets for 10 health, the solemn vow is a straight upgrade, it gives you 10% swing speed for information that youd normally sacrifice a soldier or scout for.

>>376299547
>the solemn vow is a straight upgrade, it gives you 10% swing speed for information that youd normally sacrifice a soldier or scout for.
Not him. I agree Solemn Vow is stupid shit, but by that logic Ubersaw should also be nerfed. You sacrifice 0.16s worth of swing speed in exchange from taking the minimum Uber build time of your Medigun from 40s to 5s. That maths doesn't add up.

I main Medic. I want to be able to use other melee weapons viably.

>Love the fuck outta my quick-fix
>Everyone hates it

I hope it doesn't get nerfed or anything like that. I just like the speedy heals. Although I kinda wish valve had kept the speed match to that thing only. I don't know why they applied it to every other medigun. But if it has to be nerfed maybe shave off the overheal or make it apply slower. Touching it's healing speed would be kind of disservice to it's name.

Dead game

only autistic millenials would call any game with over 1000 players dead, let alone any game consistently in top 10 player numbers in steam

>>376299832
>quick-fix
>play a HL match on TF2C
>people bitch and moan "stock pls, stock pls."
>We win easily
>"faggot noob medic use stock next time"
I hate thirdworlders and meta wannabes so much. Besides, QF got nerfed already.

>>376299930
Been playing it since 2007, it's now dead.

>>376299813
Ironically, TF2 killed itself alone. And quite successfully too.

>>376299943
>QF got nerfed already
Sandman got nerfed multiple times too. Just because something has been nerfed doesn't mean Valve succeeded in balancing it.

>>376299972
>>376300003
autism

>>376299943
QF is actually great and you made the right choice using it
>nerfed
i dont remembeer the exact changes but it used to not give overheals when it was released
its still better than all other mediguns due to the healrate

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i lost all my b4nnys
please post b4nnys

>>376300082
Charge rate has been lowered from 25% to 15%

>>376290215
dead game

>>376299717
I main medic too, and while yes, the ubersaw is better than every other option, it doesn't make it overpowered, mainly due to the fact that in comp, the times when a medic can take out the saw, get at least one hit to get full uber then pop are few and far between.

The reason that the solemn vow is retarded is that in comp a medic could carry the pan all game and no one would notice, and the vow basically lets you do that while seeing enemy health.

The weapons that really need to be looked at are the medics primaries, because while medic has 2 OP melees (solemn vow and vita saw), he has exactly one non shitty primary

>>376300216
All classes have to many weapons that are useless or too gimmicky. Reduce every slot to 1~2 sidegrades and you're set.

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>>376290336

God damn this shit is what pisses me off.

/vg/ seems like a good idea and the few generals that don't actually have that shit tend to be pretty solid. But it's only the super niche ones that tend to get a pass.

Why do faggots crave attention so much on a anonymous forum? Like just talk about the game and shit, don't advertise yourself. Fuck.

>>376300003
>>376299972

Its not dead but having thousands of f2p players and a handful of non retards isn't that great

>>376300305
yeah but the medic only has 3 primary unlocks. He needs the stock and the blutsauger not to suck, the overdose is alrightish, but the others need a complete rework

>>376300473
The primaries should be also about healing if you ask me.

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>join community server w/ 2/24 players
>one of them is playing heavy
>"hey uhh, can you leave? we're trying to do a one vee one..."
>the heavy switched to pyro
>mfw
who the fuck plays tf2 to 1v1?
why can't i find a server using valve's casual thingy when it says there are hundreds of available players?

>>376291343
the nature of being airborne in tf2 kind of seals the fate of the soldier (in trying to rocket jump), being you cannot move once you're up there. every character on OW can strafe mid-air with directional controls, and exactly zero characters can strafe in mid-air in tf2.

>b-but much parachute

a stock weapon/loadout match is the only fair match. so factors like accelerated rockets, rocket jumps not dealing self-damage, guaranteed melee crits, etc. do not apply. why? OW heroes are designed to compare to multiple loadouts of the same tf2 hero, to do the same job, but with different tools. no one hero has more than one weapon.

the pharah/mercy combo can stay airborne indefinitely, and pharah can maneuver fast enough to dodge the average stock rocket. since good pharah players stick by ledges unless they absolutely need to land, a market-gardening soldier can be DI'd away from and bumped off the map with a concussive blast, leaving just the medic with his projectile-based gun. it's game-set-match after that.

melee and shotgun damage are total jokes in a battle of air superiority, which is the only way pharmercy players play. the entire battle would have to be doled out in rockets, where soldier would be at a disgusting disadvantage having to aim up, not being able to rely on splash damage, and trying to hit a fairly fast, airborne target that's constantly being healed/buffed.

plus, if you think about it, the tech between the two games is an entire century apart. there is no feasible way for two Joe Schmoe mercenaries from the late 60's to outgun two members of a massive military organization from the 2070's.

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>>376300675
>exactly zero characters can strafe in mid-air in tf2

>>376290328
>it's filled with people who have been talking about the same game

>implying that they're actually talking about the game
>implying it hasn't devolved into the worst kind of socialite club

>>376300762
nicely done, little Jimmy, you can reaction.jpg

now work on the rest of the post to prove your might

>>376290371
This

>>376300876
dummy, every single class can airstrafe

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I should go back to TF2. I don't really play multiplayer games but I still found myself playing it for 50h.

>>376300876
every character in tf2 can air strafe, its a key skill for comp tf2, especially medics.

>>376300943
>>376301016
fine, one point for tf2 in the event of airstrafing.

now how about the rest of it?

>>376300847
That was his point exactly, its barely tf2 general anymore because there's nothing left to discuss.

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>>376301078
I really do not give a fuck about your "who would win barney the dinosaur or sans from undertale" autism fight but if your opening argument is "tf2 classes can't airstrafe" then you clearly have no fucking clue what you are talking about

>>376300876
you do know that air strafing is how tricks like bunnyhopping work within the source engine, right? Every character can do it, it's ridiculous. You can even move faster than a Lucio speedboost+amp'd, ana pre nerf nanocharge, zenyatta post buff Tranquillity with minimal effort. Air control in TF2 is ridiculous, the only disadvantage the soldier really has is that the medics HPS is 1/2d if he has taken damage recently

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>>376300675
>there is no feasible way for two Joe Schmoe mercenaries from the late 60's to outgun two members of a massive military organization from the 2070's.
I'm no meteorologist but that sounds like some faggot Commie talk to me.

>>376301219
>>376301262
/tf2g/ and the tale of the broken record
>>376301306
chuckled

>>376297530
Don't be too hyped for the Czech ones, they are slowly dying off because the hosts are moving to more popular games. one of my favorites died a while back.

>>376299832
QF is good when your team is taking a lot of damage or at low player counts but annoying when that isn't the case. 25% overheals fucking suck and disappear by the time I actually get in a fight. Also the uber is trash too and is easily out DPS'd making it only good for on demand crit heals.

>>376297285
Maybe if you're a stay at home dad not getting poon from his wife

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>it's an e-celeb telling everyone 'we totally visited valve guys and they totally work on the game THEY DIDN'T EXPECT US OR ANYTHING'

Just how deeply entrenched are their noses into Valve's dark anus crack? Valve don't care about tf2. The only 'work' they do is occasionally glancing at community content and throwing some of it in crates/map rotation.

Just because they heard you coming down the hall and hurriedly booted up dustbowl and pretended to stare intently at the screen nodding and muttering doesn't mean they're doing anything.

Valve's game development is DEAD.

>>376301702
Can you prove it? Were you there?

>>376301078
correct me of I'm wrong, but pharah can't stay in the air indefinitely and moves quite slow, making airshots incredibly easy. I don't know who wins, but soldier undeniably has the mobility and speed, while pharah has the edge in longer range battles. Basically, a top tier tf2 player can rocket jump at pharah far faster then a top tier overwatch player is used to, and are able to airshot much faster targets. It's not about air superiority its about speed and movement. However, we will never know who will win because who gives a shit, pharah could probably destroy soldier with her abilities on an overwatch map, soldier would probably destroy pharah on a tf2 map, good thing they're 2 different games

>>376301702
Gaben probably got his fat ass out of his chair when he saw tf2 revenue dropping a bit and ignored valves retarded policies by making people work on making it less broken, about 5 years and one Overwatch too late. Seriously people shit on overwatch but at least Blizzard pretends to care by funding tournaments and supporting content creators

>>376300312
Because on anonymous forum you can talk shit and not get hit. I mean, to get banned on 4Chan you need to do much worse than simply attentionwhoring. And even then you can just whip out your phone and carry on.

>>376300558
Because servers involved in casual are locked from server browsing. They are connectable only via matchmaking. Well, they are actually still in server browser if you care looking for them, but they are password protected, and password is generated by matchmaker, or so I think.

>>376302563
I was trying to use matchmaker though

>>376302603
man, how are you this retarded, valve matchmaking is shit. but its easy to navigate too

>>376300216
>the times when a medic can take out the saw, get at least one hit to get full uber then pop are few and far between.
That does NOT make a weapon balanced. The rarity of Ubersaw hits is highly outweighed by how game-changing they can be, which is why nearly 100% of competitive 6s Medics use the weapon.

>it doesn't make it overpowered
Anon, what makes a weapon "overpowered" or "underpowered" is whether it is stronger or weaker than the majority of other weapons in the game.

The purpose of game balance is to ensure players can use the strategies they enjoy, without being made unviable and forced to play an OP weapon or character they don't like.

There is no doubt that Medic is one of the most powerful classes in TF2. Every comp team HAS to have a Medic without question, because that's how strong he is.
Ubersaw is thus a buff to one of the already most powerful class's abilities, and it also stops the other Medic melees from being viable. That's why it's overpowered, and why it needs to be nerfed. It prevents players from choosing what they enjoy without giving up power.
>>376300305
>removing content from the game
Go to the trash can and do not come out.

>>376302782
It connected after about 10 minutes, you goofball, it works it just takes a strange while.

>>376301306
>you are now aware that Soldier's repeated use of the word "maggot" is a euphemism for "faggot" by Valve's writers

>>376302603
Ah. Then answer is simple. You see, when any matchmaked game ends, players can choose to stay or leave. People who stay choose to go on one of three maps game randomly throws at them. I didn't pay much attention to it, but I think it's set of "map game just was on, map of same gamemode and something else". Problem is that there's usually some people who leave either way, and then some more who see that map coming up is not the one they wanted. So after match usually less then half of people remain connected.
Then comes the fun part: after loading new map you press Tab to see players and notice that one of teams might have just 2 people, and other one is half-full or even more. This is because no one at current TF2 team could predict that people may function in not normally-distributed ways. So after game starts even MORE people leave, because team of 2 people see they are screwed so they relieve themselves from upcoming torture, and larger team usually has some people who are not interested in spawncamping two persons until timer runs out.
Around this time matchmaker finally can work on this server once again (because it's overloaded with same shit happening everywhere), and it starts looking for people to fill slots. Once it does, it sends them in the middle of game, but due to horrible balance between current teams, new players usually connect by the time they can't really make any change.

>>376303048
That means there are no people playing TF2 in your region probably NA, people there moved on to whatever was advertized to them

>>376302603
>>376303186
Never mind I'm retard with no reading comprehension, I thought you were complaining about casual servers being understaffed.
Try looking up download region in Steam settings, try ticking more maps (bars under map name indicates how much people want it right now). There is also some ping settings hidden somewhere, but I don't know where too look for them.

>>376303104

>Drop those socks and grab those socks
>Actual line is Drops those cocks and grab those socks
>"Then put down those socks and let's get to work" to work this censor to everyone's benefit

Blizzard please stop until you can at least manage this.

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>>376290215
>05/08/17
>tf2

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>>376303390
>08/05/2017
>05/08/17

>>376303390
yes, TF2, the best class based shooter on the market, faggot

>>376290371
How?