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man, this has to be the best villain set up in this decade.

he's not a god-tier complex motive villain or anything like that but I never wanted to fuck someone up as much as this guy.
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inb4 edgy retards start defending him
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>>376288861
>I never wanted to fuck someone as much as this guy
neither did the volleyball team.
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>>376288926
God of Control did nothing wrong.
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>you will never save Shiho and give her the dick she would want
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>>376288861
I thought he was a great first villain as well
The game gives you plenty of incentive to take him down and make it feel like it would be for the better of the students
If I were to compare 5's opening dungeon and boss to 3 and 4, I'd say it did it the best out of all of them
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>>376288861
Nah he's not great. He's literally just "Let's make this guy as shitty as possible without any real rhyme or reason. He's a shitty person for sure, but not a good villain because a lot of the things he did were shitty just to be shitty because the writers needed someone REALLY shitty to be an obstacle so the Phantom Thieves would be fine with potentially murdering someone.
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>>376288861
wish he had more screen time desu.

That's his only flaw since I literally only know up to his career. It could have went further and showed his attempts at creating a family or even his attraction to younger students versus adult women.

Kinda Underdeveloped a bit.
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>>376288861
Kamoshida and Madarame set up was great.

basically, everything is great until Makoto joined

useless Marry Sue ruined everything
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>>376289351
that's why I say a villain set up. not the villain himself. he's a 1-dimensional bad guy but the setup and pacing were great. you can really feel the tension
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Madarame > Kamoshida > Sae > Shido > Goro > Yaldabaoth > Kaneshiro > Wakaba > Okumura

Casino > Castle > Museum > Bank > Pyramid > Qliphoth > Ark > Space Station
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>>376288861
He does kind of have a god complex. But yeah, Kamoshida is really good. I just dislike how villains feel so anime, arc-like shit. Like, after Kamoshida, Ann and Ryuji are rendered kinda useless and the token funny and sexy characters. I really liked seeing Ann at the beginning of all this. Not to mention Yuuki was bearable.
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>>376288861
Yeah, Kamoshida's motivation and crimes are a lot more down to earth and he's probably someone most people would have a higher chance of encountering or having a run in with than a drug lord, plagiarizing famous artist or company president.

The entire situation is a lot more relatable than most. Honestly, the Shiho rape was when I really got interested in the game because I didn't think they'd actually go through with having her get raped and then trying to commit suicide.
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>>376289645
>pyramid this low
Truly the worst opinion I've ever seen
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>>376288861
>Start with the rapist first
>I'm underpaying I'm so naughty
>I copied someone's art
>I'm literally doing the job I was paid to do #Hitler
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>>376288861
I know! I really hated him too, and it made me eager to get to the next guy and see what a prick he was. but everything after him was "meh, i'll get to him later." as i do jobs and try to level my cons up.
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>>376289541
Anti-Makoto fags are worse then Makoto fags.
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>>376290090
that's kinda the point of the entire game. they start off by changing someone who truly honestly deserved it, then they started getting popular and did it for the popularity more than anything until later in the game when they realize this
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>>376289645
Why does everyone hate the space station so much?
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>>376289302

>get to the scene where she's about to jump
>ah no way they would do it, protag will probably save her at the last sec-
>oh shit

Though I suppose it was still a cop-out by making her live.
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>>376288861
Everything about him and his palace were great. He was naturally the best "villain" in the game because of how personal the conflict felt. Ryuji hated him, Ann hated him, and Joker hated him because he's just that much of a genuine asshole.
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>>376288861
Shame that the main antagonist is literally the cliche mastermind villain who wants to control everything because fuck you that's why
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>>376290395
Timers, Boring Villain and Enemies with immediate attack animations
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>>376290090
>I let someone die so I could steal their artwork
>I blacklist any artist that disagrees with me if they don't live in my shitty shack and devote their life to me.

Madarame was a horrible person
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>>376290090
>I copied someone's art

Hey now, that shit is fucked up when you go through the same lengths that he did just to be famous and get money. Especially the shit with Yusuke's mother.
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>>376288861
he was better than the other palace bosses. you could still feel his influens months after beating him not just through the main story but SLs as well. the others just felt flat.
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>>376289351
>hurr people need some grand master plan in order to abuse kids and molest girls

Yeah, right.
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>>376290461
the cop out was her transferring schools so you dont have to deal with her rape issues later.

The whole tutorial arc school story was boring and terrible.
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>>376290606
Too bad they didn't focus on that and it was reduced to "I stole art gomenasumimasen"
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>>376290090
>>376290303
>>376290562
>>376290606
Only reason its bad is because faggot nips that fancy themselves artists wrote the story.

probably encountered people like that when they were first starting and had to resperg about it.

first bad sign of persona 5 was when the first thing you see is DIRECTED BY CHING CHONG PING PONG

the whole story was shit. shame because the art and ost are great.
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>>376290395
Because it's bland, tedious, and Okumura is not a compelling antagonist in the slightest. The whole place feels like a slog, and the game doesn't do much to instill a sense of urgency - Haru, a character we've only just met (or rather, has been forced into the group dynamic), is to be sold off, and the Phantom Thieves have literally nothing else going for them than "muh shitty adults." There's no real setup, and even less payoff.

It doesn't help that it is immediately preceded by Ryuji and Morgana at their most insufferable, and that sense of irritation permeates the entire dungeon. It truly is the low-point of the game in every respect. Luckily, it happens to be followed by the Casino, which happens to be the best palace in the game, bar-none.
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I'm up to Madarame Uchiha and he honestly does not compare. Framing devise Sae said he was worse, not even close.
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>>376290609
>Influens

Anyways, Kamoshida was great, but namely it was because they devoted the first portion of the game to him to explain game mechanics. At several points, you were sharing rows with him as they introduced both Ryuji's and Ann's persona. Flipside is, they couldn't do it for every Palace because then it would have been dialogue hell, even more than it was at times.

On another hand, probably two or three of the palaces were simply chosen because they were good targets--the emotional attachment only came after the fact.
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>>376290809
>not liking Madarame
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I love the awakening scenes. Say what you will about the dub but I really liked the delivery of Ryuji's big line in his.
>Stop lookin' down on me with that STUPID SMILE ON YOUR FACE
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>>376288926
only reason i can find people "defending" him is just an excuse to create threads.
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>>376288861
>MFW he's based off an actual person.
>http://www.espn.com/olympics/judo/story/_/id/8903841/judoka-masato-uchishiba-sentenced-5-years-prison
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>>376290517
It probably would've been way too much of an MGR ripoff if Shido vs Joker had the same level of personal conflict as Armstrong vs Raiden after just a couple cutscenes.

Akechi should've survived and became the last boss.
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>>376290913
There's -literally- nothing wrong with the dub. It's easily some of the best VA I've seen in a game.

Especially Ryuji. Shoutouts to those perfectly timed voice breaks.
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>>376290782
The thing that bothered me with Okumura is that we never saw these factories or oppressed workers--it was all through the metaverse.

I guess that's half the point though--Okumura was 'chosen' because it was a good target, rather than emotion attachment. Haru as an added benefit, but she probably went along with it because she's more of a dunce than Ann.

It's actually sad to hear that Hifume was potentially a teammate, but was scrapped because the game was too long.
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>>376290809
I guess you haven't gotten to the point yet where it's revealed that Madarame killed Yusuke's mother.
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>>376288926
> be hetero red blooded man in position of authority
> hot athletic Jappanese waifus always on your dick, pretending they are not because they tsunder
> take what you want, when you want because you're ALPHA
> kooky gang of misfit detectives fuck up the program because of autism

Like Shakespear :(
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>>376290395

I didn't hate it but it seemed like the first palace that was honestly trying to fuck you out of time and force you to do it in multiple days. It had a lot of strenuous gimmicks and enemies that were there just to get you to burn out on SP.

I liked the boss though, it was the first one where I had to go back and plan everything out to hit full baton pass chains each turn. Felt really rewarding to beat him.
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>>376290998
would rather have hifume other than haru. haru a shit.
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>everything Shido did got ruined because he decided to get drunk one night and fuck up some random kid's life that was preventing him from raping his empoyee
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>>376290970
>restricting screenschots for achievos for thsi stupid story
>muh akechi is ANOTHER wildcard muh akechi is the traitor

so stupid.
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>>376290970
He really would have been great if he had been more megalomaniacal like Armstrong was. He was too reserved.
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>There are people here who don't want a silly optional NG+ sidequest where Mishima awakens to his Persona powers but ends up losing them by the end of the arc because he's such a gigantic weenus.
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I'm a firm believer the best villains aren't the nuanced characters with detailed backstories and clearly defined reasons for going down the path they're on but rather just incredibly fucking shitty people you personally want to see get their shit fucked.

ex: Eric Sparrow, Dio Brando (part 1 only, that shit kinda fades off when he's not directly fighting Jonathan), OP's pic, Dan Kuroto.
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Man the first dungeon and boss sure felt long compared to 3 and 4.
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>>376290395
The floating in space puzzle was annoying to me. Not even that hard, but annoying.

Mind you, it was worth it to see Okumura try and kill you with an explosion of burgers and fries.
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>>376291040
Yeah, space station wasn't too great.
But casino and ark are also up there with being tedious.
It was actually pretty damn grating how hard they were trying to make Akechi look like a good guy, when everything pointed to him fucking you over. He would have had a fighting chance if they introduced him as a teammate shortly after Makoto or something, but I was already pretty stacked with Personas that I didn't even need his Curse and Bless skills.
In turn, all the cutscenes and gimmicks to highlight his character in the casino fell flat.
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>>376290809
i felt they tried to hard to make him seem like a bad guy. it almost felt like he was a villain from some sunday morning cartoon. than with yuske SL, it tries to make him seem less so.
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>>376290989
it's no xenoblade but it's okay. Still, no point in picking it over the japanese audio.
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>>376291108
It was pretty heavily implied that Jaldabaoth was manipulating events.
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>>376291040
>I liked the boss though
>Actually enjoying "burn through half your SP fighting every section chief and retinue you've encountered thus far - except this time they explode - before getting to the actual boss, wherein your party's automatic debuff removal can actually hinder you (and on a timer, no less):" the encounter
I felt like my time had been wasted more than anything.
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>>376291261
3 felt long , 4 is short at that point because your strong enough to reach that point in the game
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>>376290998
Please stop repeating the "Hifumi was going to be a party member" meme.

I wouldn't doubt that it's true, but idiots on this board love to twist rumors into their own truth while other idiots voluntarily buy into that shit because it's what they want to hear.
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>>376291315

Yeah, but to Shido, everything he did got ruined because he got drunk one night.
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>>376290779
I feel bad nobody payed attention to your shameful post. So here's a (you) kiddo, don't spend it all in one place.
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>>376291108
It's OK. If he didn't fuck up, Yabbadabadoo would have bent the universe backwards to find another kid to fuck with.
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>>376291356
They said it was planned at some point, but cut because the game was already to long.

To some people this somehow means that she was ripped straight from the game right at the very last minute. I doubt "Party member Hifumi" was anything like the one in the game we actually got.
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>>376291379
Just like how Akechi got fucked because he happened to talk to them in the tv studio.
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>>376291281
Casino is still fun and it was neat having Akechi for a while. Took advantage and did a lot of mementos shit with him during the time before Sae's calling card.
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I wish phantom thieves who steal hearts were real.
There's a lot of people like P5 villains in the real world.
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>yfw Mishitta has bruises because Kamoshitta practiced for girls on him
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>>376291356
It was confirmed that she was intended for the party at the absolute earliest stages of development and was swiftly removed, but I don't understand people calling Makoto a mary sue and wanting Hifumi over her. Hifumi fulfills the same exact role of being an intelligent strategist and would detract from the group dynamic in the exact same way Makoto does.
In the Berenstein universe there are tons of people complaining about Hifumi being a mary sue ruining the party and wishing that Makoto wasn't removed from the party.
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>>376291379
fate can be a real bitch sometimes.
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>>376291487
there is no other way for a hifumi to be written in the persona universe
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>>376291327
That bossfight was actually a breeze because it was like a Tetris of weaknesses.

Honestly, the only thing I had trouble with as I misjudged how hard Big Bang Burger hit you.

But holyshit, I was limping along Space Station with little to no SP. Thank god I had at least ONE Persona with SP-suck, because I had completely forget to buy the Bandages from Sae.
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>>376291565
>post yfw you're not Mishima
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>>376291379
He also signed his own heart change warrant when he looked at those kids waiting for the elevator and said "Fuck 'em".
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>>376291593
>>376291379
not fate. karma
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>>376291281

It was painfully obvious it was him....I noticed the pancakes thing immediately, then his list of "UNKNOWN" skills in the confidant menu.

When I got Haru I 100% knew it was him just from process of elimination because it had to be someone who had awakened before I met them.

>>376291327

He was your textbook shitty boss who was forcing all the work on his employees, it made sense. My praise was more for it's use of the baton pass mechanic though.

>>376291487

>because the game was too long

I honestly thought it went too fast once we hit october but w/e....the inevitable remaster will fix that.

>>376291628

>I was limping along Space Station with little to no SP.

This, all of the fucking Grimhelakala(sp?) and Mithra enemies made sure of that.
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>>376291308
Atlus USA still being lazy with it and forgetting that some anime cutscenes lack a lot of subtitles. I couldn't understand what most of the background characters were saying in those cutscenes.
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>>376291569
>In the Berenstein universe there are tons of people complaining about Hifumi being a mary sue

That sounds rather specific, anon. How would you know?
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>>376291356
They could have easily made Makoto just an IN-YO-FACE rebel--it's fucking Haru that serves no purpose in the troupe except as a tag-a-long.
>Tries to distance herself from her money, so she doesn't offer financial support
>Has ZERO personality because she's always afraid of insulting someone
>Confidant is so late with such steep requirements that it's almost impossible to flesh out her story
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>>376291778
Maybe they do alternate universe next game.
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>>376289351
Literally based off of problems and fears in japan. Aside from that some people are REALLY shitty in real life and this stuff actually happens.
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>>376288926
Kamoshida was merely an alpha.
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>>376291650
shit like this is why I keep coming back here
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>>376291569
go back to watching critikal you pleb.
since you like riding his cock and believing his shitty story about how he "got into a car accident"
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>>376291569
When people fantasize about the things they can't have, they love to imagine them as being perfect or better than what we actually got. See: A lot of fucking cancelled video games that did not look good in the first place.

They never consider that what we have might be for the better.
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how come both the main shops promote guts? I'm basically going to marry the doctor at this point because i want to friend the Airsoft guy.
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>>376288861
He's a big guy
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>>376290989

>It's easily some of the best VA I've seen in a game.

It's nowhere near FFXII.

P5's voice acting is still weeby cringe garbage.
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>>376292047
what
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>>376291569
Makoto isn't as dweeby.
Her chuuni thing would have been milked to high heaven and it could have been goofy and fun at least.
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The real issue with the later palaces is the little shit that was in the first two is missing.

Kamoshide had hidden rooms and routes. And in his hidden room you had hidden parts of his psyche.

You just had to have hidden rooms in the palaces with some of the targets hidden memories in them. Something minor like bankfag being bullied in school or Harus dad being depressed at being a poorfag growing up and becoming determined to make some shekels.
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>>376289626
How can he be 1 dimensional when he's based off a real person? do you people seriously believe you need to be the complex mass of thoughts and emotions to be a shitty fucking person?
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This game is pretty stupid
Is anime shows also like this?
Do weebs actually watch that shit?
The hell
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>>376288861
Yeah, to bad everything else in the game sucks
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>>376291356
As others said, it was a stated fact. The only rumors i see are the follow ups that say she was cut early in development. I havent seen anything about that but it doesnt matter anyways. I doubt we will ever know.
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>>376292230
Why do you assume she would have even had a "chuuni thing" in the absolute earliest stages of development? She was likely a completely different character.
Quit making up headcanon shit to justify liking a boring character.
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>>376292230
Queen would have suited her better.
Makoto really should have been Rider, even her all out attack card was just begging for it.
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Why do we always have that one retard in these threads. Don't give this guy any (you)s
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>>376291857
It's weird that Haru's confidant is one of the best in the game. Not that it's particularly wacky or fun, but it's one of the only damn times in the game where the lesson is to trust an adult instead of just assuming that he's going to fuck you over.

And the worst thing about Haru would be her reaction to her father dying. Damn girl, you have very little to say or do when it comes to a parent that was murdered on national tv.
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>>376291994
Kind of scary how much of this is true
>Cousin comes out from Japan
>Talks about politics
>Apparently there's a very heavy nationalistic movement happening in Japan
>Where they want to do away with Western influence
>And return to ass-backwards traditions
>Compounded by the declining birth rates and stagnation of the economy
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>boss fights on normal are too easy
>boss fights on hard are straigt up bullshit and time consuming
What is with Persona games either being the easiest shit you'll ever play to ball busting hard at times?
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"Who is this guy, a friend of yours?"

>No
>Ehh...
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>>376292465

To be fair he saw her as just a tool to further his financial ambitions and that's all he treated her as.
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>>376292465
She spent like a week MIA after he died. Chances are she was bawling her eyes out and didn't want to keep bugging the PT about it because 1. she didn't really trust them and 2. she doesn't want to burden them regardless.
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>Futabas friend was a child sex slave
Jesus christ that came out of nowhere
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Madarame truly was the best.
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>>376291994
The biggest problem in Japan that this game highlights is people ignoring terrible shit that happens because the criminal is of a higher social status than them. And their court system is dumb as FUCK.
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>>376292587
It's funny to see all the people comparing Shido to Trump as if Japan isn't also going through some crazy shit right now.
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The dungeons after Madarame just keep getting worse and worse.
Shido's is some terribly tedious shit.
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>>376290998
Stop this Hifumi meme right fucking now, that was before the game was even in development, before Leblanc existed
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>>376292656
>Valentine's Day with Ryuji
>"Why isn't Mishima here?! Don't tell me he has a...."
>"No way."
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>>376292712
Probably not--everyone grieves in different ways, and depending on her existing relationship with her father, she quite literally may have been putting up a persona that she was grieving, when in reality she may have been completely indifferent to the whole situation. There was also the whole media thing, which would have looked bad if she had gone out to hang with a half-dozen kids related to previous current events.
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>>376292726
Not quite as explicitly stated as the shit with Kamoshida, but yeah, the implications are certainly there.
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>>376292587
Meh. Not really. The economy is already recovering and the birth rates are on the rise. Stop being misinformed.
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>>376292656
>tfw actually like Mishima
>almost all the dialogue responses make you an asshole towards him
I just finished Futaba's rank 5 social link last night and it was literally just her cutting Mishima's ass the entire time even though they just met. Like seriously this guy can't catch a fucking break.
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>>376292903
I don't want to believe he's the guy who hooked up with the reformed sadist, and that him being a masochist too was just a convenient, coincidental joke... but then again, he is so fun to bully...
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>dore dake sukutte mo
>yubi no aida kara
>koboreru suna no yō

>soredemo menimieteru
.mono dake ga
>subete janai
>It’s in my heart
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>>376292712
In her confidant, it's revealed that it's because of her grief that she started drinking coffee.
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>>376292903
Ohya seems pretty desperate and they know each other.

Good on you Mishima, somebody needs to lay her. Really taking one for the team.
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>>376292656
MUH PHANSITE
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>>376288861
The only thing that makes no sense whatsoever is why he a hard-on for fucking with the protagonist, he literally did nothing to him
He tries to fuck him over before meeting him

What the fuck?
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>>376292968
Mishima is a gigantic faggot.

I wanted to like him, but you clearly haven't gotten to the point where his ego swells the fuck up and he tries to send the Thieves after a famous actor who's dating his waifu.
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>>376292446
Imagine if instead of pulling out her gun during her crit animation she instead jumped up and did a rider kick
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>>376288861
Since /vg/ is still having waifu wars I'll ask here.

For my swift strike/hassou tobi build, after maxing ST and EN, how should the rest of my points (90~ iirc) be distributed between agility and luck. I'm running firm ground to save skill space so dodging is not an issue.
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>>376292421
please dont respond to the one shitter trying to make hifumibros look bad

let him disappear
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>>376293070
I actually just got to that point but yeah prior to all that nonsense he comes off as pretty cool and still gets shit on. And people wonder why we have so many school schootings.
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>>376293024
Nah, go to sleep, Mishima.

I was already fucking Ohya along with every other girl, so there's absolutely no chocolate for you.
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>>376292787
Japan ignores most terrible shit. It's in their national character. It's in countless anime there are spineless harem MC's or people who walk by trying not to look.

Japan is bacially "we don't want no trouble" but without the awesome kungfu. They just turn and ignore it.
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>>376293069

You're threatening his order and he has an excuse to be a bitch to you because you're the "delinquent" so there's nothing wrong.
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>>376292950
That doesn't address the nationalistic movement
Even Okinawa wants to do away with American military bases
Not to mention, people always fawn over Japanese culture, but when you get down to the nitty-gritty their culture can be flat-out scary
>Yakuza runs local government
>Honor and bloodlines are still a real thing
>People from Korean descent aren't considered citizens
>Ass-backwards work-culture
>There's the whole whaling thing
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>>376291650
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>>376293256
>threatening his order
How exactly? And messing with a "criminal" on their last chance with nothing to lose seems fucking retarded
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>>376292903
Some Chad's pounding his boipussy while the girl he actually likes watches
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>>376292932
>implications
She pretty much flat out said it
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>>376292787
>99.8% conviction rate
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>>376293330
Well, some Yakuza are being hunted down if they operate openly. So there's that.

Don't care about whaling.

Well, maybe their work culture can get a little bit more lax. The upcoming generation seems to want to westernize in that sense
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>>376293231
>My face when I accidentally romanced Ann over Hifume
>My face when Ann is probably going to give me chocolates, when Hifume is probably going to give me some bad-ass Shogi stuff

Fuck you, Ann
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>>376293069
>>376293256
>>376293350
I don't know man he did offer the MC a ride to school...
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>>376289090
kek
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>>376293350

He's the king, you came in out of nowhere challenging his authority, and he's lording it over you that since you're on thin ice he can just kick your ass out whenever he pleases.
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>>376292587
>>376293330
JP anon here, there has been a "movement" to tell the US military to fuck off for 50 goddamn years.

Its a giant joke and will literally never happen due to the fact its real nice to not have to pay for a military.

>People from Korean descent aren't considered citizens
Because Koreans are disgusting subhuman animals
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>>376292787
That's not a Japan only thing. That's a world thing.
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>>376293380
That's not really what a sex slave is.
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>>376293487
>challenging his authority
How?
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>>376293380
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>>376292726
>child sex slave

That's hot.
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>>376293384
Don't be blinded by statistics. There's some documentaries out there which show how the conviction rate statistic is a load of crap. Some innocents are coerced into pleading guilty for cultural or financial reasons.
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>>376293553
He could sense Joker's smug aura from a mile away.
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>>376293504
Fuck off, Ryuji

We don't need you to try and explain politics to us
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>>376293380
So gravure at best? That's not exactly a sex slave
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>>376293448
Hifumi clumsily makes some chocolates
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>>376288861
I guarantee you Shiho didn't resist
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>>376292231
you see porky's psyche when solving the pad puzzles
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>>376293610
Well, that's why being ousted as a criminal is so damning in Japan. You can't just get away with heavy crimes if there's enough proof out there. They are way overzealous with fighting crime
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>>376293504
will the sun ever rasie again brother?
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>>376293709
Obviously not, he told her if she wanted to stay on the team she better stay on his dick.

100% consensual
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>mfw took the elevator down in the bank to the lock room
>mfw 3 more fucking rooms and a puzzle

what a tedious fucking dungeon holy shit
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>>376292995
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So how the hell could Akechi have the power to use multiple personas? It was implied he had the same power as the MC. Would this mean he had Igor's backing and the ability to go to the velvet room?
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>>376293871
Just wait until Palace 5.
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>>376293907
Weren't you paying attention to Lavenza
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>>376293765
They're overzealous about extracting a confession out of someone for each crime, because they're too afraid to prosecute without one or let a crime go unclosed. Big difference
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>>376292231
you kinda see the bankfags back story though by solving the puzzle. anyone else felt the party was to hard on him? he was an asshole sure but he was also a victim at some Point.
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>>376293765
You're not getting it. Courts will throw the book at a person just to expedite the process. It doesn't take a lot of evidence to be convicted because they don't give a flying fuck if you're guilty, just that you are there.
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>>376293919
Oh I already beat it

I still hate the bank more, probably because I was playing it when I was sick and had a headache so I was slogging through it hard
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>>376293907
Hey faggot maybe listen to what the characters are telling you
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>>376293553

Questioning him and trying to expose his shit?
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Fuck all the faggots infesting this thread. Kamoshida was based. He was top tier. He did whatever he wanted and none of those cucks could stop him. He was a real man, not a filthy feminist numale but I suppose it is too much to expect the subhumans of today to understand that.
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>>376293871
If you just started the lock section there's a heck of a lot more than 3 more rooms let me tell you that
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>>376294029
bait

almost believable but that's just one buzzword too many in that sentence lad
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>>376293504
>JP anon here, there has been a "movement" to tell the US military to fuck off for 50 goddamn years.

I notice the only people really bitching about it are the old fucks near Okinawa.
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>>376293961
Figured it'd be answered. I haven't beaten the game, only Shido's palace
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>>376293448
All of them give you chocolate
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>>376293886
I wanted to give the Savage Imouto headpats for her wonderful performance there.
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>>376289541
>People are still butthurt over Best Girl
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>>376293448
ann is a better character than hifumi anyway
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>>376294013
I didn't deny that. They are overzealous for better or for worse. Don't shove words in my mouth
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>>376293871
its easy when you can get the pin-codes online.
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>>376291327
Boss was stupid if you picked up any of the Phys/Gun repel personas in his very own dungeon. As far as I remember they don't use any actual elements.
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>>376294009
I mean he was blackmailing you, going to sell Makoto off into prostitution, and was blackmailing your classmates as drug mules. Arguably did the most villainous shit out of anyone.

Okamura was pretty much the biggest did nothing wrong.
>Hes a bad person because he doesn't give a fuck about his minimum wage employees!
They had to add him selling his daughter to a rapist to give you a reason to dislike him.
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>>376293827
>threats and blackmail
>consensual

You're stupid.
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>>376294084
I am completely serious. Kamoshida is the kind of man I want to be someday. He is what a real man should be.
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>>376294086

Because Marines are idiots.

>seecutegirl
>oopskilledcutegirl
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>>376294254
You should pick your idols better
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>>376294226

I think that was the point. He was the target you picked when the Phantom Thieves were losing their way and was just there to set you up to fall and figure shit out again.
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>>376293886
>Being told by a girl that you completely lack sex appeal
That's not savage, that's just cruel.
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>>376290395
Neat concept, poor execution especially when compared to all the others. If I didn't have 4 sp adhesive 3s by that point, it would have been an even bigger pain in the ass. The gimmick of talking to the different shadows was neat, but stuff like the timers, door puzzle, and overleveled phys reflect enemies was a bit much. I did not hate it, but it was too much of a step down from the others. It had story reason to be different, but it did not feel much like a heist.

plus idgaf about haru and ryuji was a complete dick to morgana
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Was Madarame a real human bean?
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>>376294267

Why are the Marines the worst branch? Like, seriously, it feels like the military's containment zone for fuckheads.
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>>376294283
There is literally nothing wrong with him. He has power, he has agency. He takes what he wants whenever he wants. That's how I want to live.
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Did anyone else pick up on Akechi hearing Morgana talk the first time it happened?

Literally gave away the entire plot right then and there, shit was way too obvious.
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>>376294228
>Dont be good enough to be starter for the sports team
>Your friend has to slut it up to get you on the team
>She refuses to slut it up to keep you there so it falls to you to earn your own place
Its Anns fault really.
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>>376294226
>They had to add him selling his daughter to a rapist to give you a reason to dislike him.

You had no fucking clue how surprised I was when I figured out they were STILL acquainted even after Okumura's death.

>But muh contract

BITCH HE'S GOING TO RAPE YOU
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>>376294451
yeah then I forgot
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>>376294451
>none of the main characters notice at the time
>months later, they just remember that moment for no reason
This twist was fucking horrible, it made no sense why it took so long for the Thieves to do something.
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>>376294451
Yeah, but come on, as if Akechi wasn't suspicious enough even without it.
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>>376294226
>They had to add him selling his daughter to a rapist to give you a reason to dislike him.

So ya just gonna ignore the fact that he put out hits on his competitors?
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>>376294526
the whole story was horrible

smt fags had it right this time.
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>>376294451
Nope. I don't remember seeing anything about pancakes until Joker started to remember shit after Sae's palace. I thought the game was fucking with me and just inserted the pancake scene as a joke.
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>>376294485
How

>DOOD IN A BLACK MASK KILLING EVERYONE
>"Hey guys I just happen to have extensive knowledge of the metaverse, have seen the black mask and also heard your cat talk as well as exhibiting suspicious behaviour the entire game while the writers desperately tried to make you empathize with me

gee it's P4 all over again
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>>376294526
Morgana specifically remembered it himself and reminded MC.

He even mentioned it being odd but didn't think about it further.
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>>376288861
If he hadn't gotten violent with Ryuji, bro of bros, then I'd have been on his side.

But raping Shiho was too far. Slutty Ann totally wanted it though.
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>>376294226
He was a total dickhead. Probably the least deserving but 1.that was the point and 2.He wasn't JUST being shitty to his employees, He was a backstabbing kike willing to do anything to enter the world of politics.
Literally everyone deserved a change of heart, The act of changing one's heart isn't even negative, all it does is make you a better person and admit your crimes that you commited. It's not like you mind raped them or made them invalids
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>>376294442
>that's how i want to live?
In solitary so the normal inmates can't beat your child raping ass? Whatever floats your boat m8.
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>>376294606
>Morgana mentions Pancakes
>Akechi rolls up like "I thought I heard pancakes"
>Think to myself "This seems oddly out of character"
>Realise he heard Morgana

It doesn't take a genius to pick up on that honestly my man, maybe you're just a drooler
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>>376294451
i did not pick it up beacuse everyone else was talking about a place that was known for thier pancakes. not like it matters i knew he was the traitor for he had the light yagami look going on and for the fact there was no one else that had a reason to sell you out other than him.
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>>376294393

Because they basically take a bunch of idiot kids, train them to kill and grunt then tell them not to do those same things when they're pretty much anywhere.
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>>376294473
>10 minutes of news coverage, and characters responding or reacting to it
>none of it is subbed
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>>376293384
Wow. This would mean something if they bothered charging the actual Yakuzza and didn't coerce guilty pleas out of the small fry/often innocent.
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>>376294654
>tripcoding without a good reason

Reminding you to go back to /b/, Tumblr, The Escapist and/or ribbit, aaaaand filtering.
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>>376294658
As if. Magic doesn't exist in real life. Thousands of people like Kamoshida exist today and get away with their behaviour. Why would I not be one of them? I wish I could be so cool.
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>>376289645
why do people like the Casino so much? It was really easy and straightforward and Sae was a shit boss.
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>>376294624
Nah, Morgana looked at MC and said something like "You caught it too right?"

Apparently at least the two of them knew the whole fucking time that Akechi could enter the Metaverse, but never gave it any thought. What a joke.
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>>376294473
I have no clue why he even wanted that fivehead slut. Money? Doesn't he already have money?
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>>376294665
>He had the Light Yagami look going about him

Adachi had it too, designed to look "normal" but their existence in the story makes them stand out far too much to the point you're suspicious the moment you see them.

Also both written like ass.
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>>376294797
>Magic doesn't exist in real life

It doesn't if you commit a sin of the flesh and give up your chance at wizardry. Fucking heathen.
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>>376294801
Music

The final escape scene was pretty great
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>>376294801
Music and atmosphere, mostly.
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>>376294853

Except Adachi did nothing wrong.
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Akechi and the later bosses would probably have been better if they had more months to work with.

Felt like they couldn't be as fleshed out as the earlier dungeons because of the less time constraint in the plot in the early months
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>>376294526
>it made no sense why it took so long for the Thieves to do something.

What the fuck were they going to do, Confront him in real life about that shit?
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Remember when the first week of the English release was just nothing but Kamoshida threads and Tae Takemi was meme waifu of the week?
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>>376294654
but you do mind rape them into becoming good people. thats the argument sea and akechi brings up. the way 5 avoids the Thives looking like the bad guys is by making the bad guys they mind rape into scums of the Earth.
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>>376294813
A connoisseur of fluff, I suppose.
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>>376294960
Or bait him out and fight him in the Metaverse.

Or anything. Literally anything but sit on their asses for seven months saying "WHO COULD THAT BLACK MASK PERSON BE"
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>>376295001
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Who /kamopilled/ here?
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>>376294801
Themes were great. Sae is a more personal target than the last three bosses. Really good variety at each casino floor. Music was good. Had fun with Akechi's curse/bless/almighty skills. Sae's boss was actually pretty cool, especially when the roulette spin started being fair and there was a slight risk.
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>>376294620
I've treated him like shit the entire time because they did a poor job of making you care about him when every other scene shows he's clearly up to no good.

I really wish they instead wrote him like a knock-off L instead of whatever jumbled mess he was.
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>>376294863
I just want a life where I get to push people around instead of getting pushed around like I am today. I wish I could be strong like Kamoshida. Then I could protect myself.
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>>376292968

I think of it from the protagonist's perspective. He's probably wary of Mishima possibly leaking his true idenitiy as a PT and that's all he literally talks about most of the time. Joker is probably tired of that shit.
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>>376294801
Shadow Sae is fucking sexy
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>>376294801
>straightforward

There ya go the 2 before it were any annoying cluster fuck
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>>376288861
>no doujinshi where he dominates the MC and ravishes his boypussy
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>>376295090
>wanting to push people around
Never gonna make it brah.

It's easy to knock people down, strong people lift others up. Look a The Rock, strong as shit, has he ever not gone out of his way to be a big smiling dope and compliment everyone he meets?

Dont do what The Rock wouldn't do.
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>>376295094

>He's probably wary of Mishima possibly leaking his true idenitiy as a PT and that's all he literally talks about most of the time.

Which is funny since Ryuji does exactly that multiple times.
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>>376295023
>Or bait him out and fight him in the Metaverse.

That's exactly what happened tho, are you retarded?
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>>376295090
And there it is.
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>>376295197
Oh yeah, well good thing they took their time with that one. Nothing bad happened in the meantime right?
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>>376291191
The whole point of a villain is for them to be a foil for the protagonist. Nuanced villains can be great if written well, but a one dimensional cartoonishly evil fucker is fine too if they fit well within plot and act well as that essential foil.
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>when the 10/10 boss theme gets dropped for the meh one
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>>376295360

>Wakaba
>Shadow Sae
>Akechi's second form

I was disappointed too....it was an ok BGM for cutscenes but it didn't work for actual fights.
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>>376289645
Mementos depths > all

It's got the music, it's got the aesthetics, it's got those fun but not too challenging or annoying puzzles in a non-puzzle game. It's even just the right length.
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>>376295585
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>>376295585
>everyone gets taken by suprise by shadows and your forced to fight them
>it happens three times

fucking retards almost died the first two times.
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>>376295272
>Oh yeah, well good thing they took their time with that one.

How would they have instantly gone after him?
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>>376295585

>Mfw you get to the first large prison cell and see the shadows of all the change of heart victims.

That entire place was fucked up but damn that scene really made me get the "What am I fighting for?" vibe....like all you really accomplished was making them hate life like everyone else.
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>mfw reaching level 95 in the middle of Sae's palace
>mfw completely trivializing the last third of the game
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Would you have liked the story better if the traitor ended up being someone other than Goro?
Goro was boring and his betrayal was a wet fart because he didn't have any time to feel like part of the group to begin with. With how the introduction to the game was set up, telling you about a traitor outright like that, I thought it would be something where I was suspicious of every party member and scrutinized their every action across the game. Might've been fun and interesting in a game as character and relationship-based as Persona.
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>>376295585
I'm sorry but the Mementos floor puzzles are literally Cisquisition tier
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>>376295821
Imagine the asshurt if Makoto was the traitor
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>>376295765
thats what you get for abusing the reaper faggot.
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>>376295821
Mishima as the traitor would have worked better

They even set it up
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>>376291650
>>376293340
this shit is what makes me wanna go on
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>>376288861
It was kind of disappointing when Persona 5's bosses went from being localised figures of authority who had a long set up of direct involvement with your team to big picture villains or infamous criminals.

Kamoshida, Madarame and Sae are easily the best because you extensively communicate with the characters and get a feeling of how fucked you are if you don't deal with them.

The rest tend to get introduced way too fast or you don't really contact them that much beforehand.
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>>376290395
Because it's the only dungeon excluding mementos that didn't fit the thief theme
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>>376295821

When they first mentioned a black mask I was kind of hoping it would be Morgana and he just had no memory of it
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>>376295821
yes

before they hit you over the head with who the real culprit was, I thought it'd be morgana. amnesia, suspicious behaviour when you discover the treasure, nonhuman with a persona etc.
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>>376294451
>>376294665
Shit, that pancake completely flew over my head. I didn't even notice and quickly forgot the moment as being nothing interesting.

It doesnt help that I was spoiled about Akechi. Not like its not super obvious anyway.
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>>376294226
>Okamura was pretty much the biggest did nothing wrong.

Didn't he order for mental shutdowns against his competitors?
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Post Sae this game really jumps off a fucking cliff
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So what the actual fuck was the explanation for Psycho Morgana constantly appearing in dreams?
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>>376296016
Morgana was a shadow created by Igor and sent out into the world to find the Wildcard.
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>>376295821
it would have been more fun if haru was the traitor beacuse you "killed" her dad.

or it would have been better if both her and goro tried to backstab you at the same time. you would see goro coming but not her.
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>>376293016
i was mouth open howl crying at the end
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Arsene should level up with the protagonist. It's a crime you can't really use him past the first dungeon.
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>Game is really well paced for the first 4 dungeons

What happened?
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Haru is awesome and I will fight every last one of you turds.
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>>376295987
Yea, he did, retards seem to keep forgetting this.
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>Sae refusing to believe we didnt kill the principal
>Settles on well I guess you SEEM like you dont murder people
Bitch I was in fucking hawaii at the time.

You know this
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>>376296082

>they gave him fusion dialogue to make you feel like a dick for doing it
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>>376296050
wait, i thought morgana was created from the hope of humanity.
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>>376295987
Kinda.He asked Shido to fuck them over and Shido chose to use technomagic to murder/make people go batshit insane.

Its not really Okamuras fault the politician decided not to use connections to fuck over his competitors but mind bullets.
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>>376296082
There's nothing stopping you from visiting the Gallows with him a few dozen times
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>>376295821
Nah.

Akechi worked because he had this whole nice guy vibe but would occasionally drop really sinister comments into your conversations with him.

Looking back on it, it was pretty easily telegraphed. He worms his way into your friendship group despite the PC trying to keep him out and his Metaverse costume has no dark aspects to it whatsoever, which instantly makes him stand out.

Also, in the start game menu, he's hiding behind a pillar instead of standing in the open.
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>>376296075
>spent the entire game frustrated by Morgana
>still managed to get choked up when he fades away after defeating Yaldabaoth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8roOUj8EmE
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>>376295926
It's been mentioned a few times but as the Phantom Thieves get more popular they start targeting people just because they're rich/shady instead of because they're really horrible people.
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>>376293070
Did you just stop doing his confidant after that part? He actually steps up and fixes himself. Mishima's alright.
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>>376289351
What is a "good" reason for a star coach to rape students? Because it's happened a bunch of times IRL in Japan and America
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>they do the "died offscreen" cliche with Akechi
>never amounts to anything

????
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>>376295001
>>376295025

fluFFF
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Your on a school trip and this guy walks up and slaps your ass. What do you do?
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>>376296469
>tfw thought the final palace would be him
>it wasn't
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>>376296469
he be back. we know this to be true.
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>>376296492
oh fuck, this will be perfect for a stencil

thank you based anon
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>>376296494
AHAHA POORFAG
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>>376296492
>you will never rustle Kawakami's messy hair
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>>376296503

>Sae drops conspicuous "you need to go to jail because our only useful witness disappeared"
>expected him to suddenly resurface to bail you out
>nope
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>>376296494
Take my clothes off.
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>>376296349
same man, except i loved morgana
i kept thinking he would re appear sooner than he did so i started to get nervous
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>>376294925
>you will never SLAM Shadow Sae's pussy
it's literally not fair
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Sae is ugly though isn't she like 56 years old lmao
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>>376296652

I just hated that his second awakening happened so late....like fuck me they paced it right with Teddie but the way they did Morg's you didn't even know there was more game at that point. It just felt pointless.
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>>376296660
>After you escape jail you go back to chilling at home
>Not hiding out in an apartment fucking Sae in the ass every single nght since the faggot is watching your friends and thusly your house
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>>376296731

>story tries to fool you into thinking it's over
>Fool and Magician stuck at 9
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>>376294451
That is supposed to be obvious. The real twist is that Joker and Morgana knew he wasn't trustworthy from the beginning and acted accordingly.
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>>376296794
The game is full of this

The nature of the gameplay makes it so it's painfully obvious when the game is trying to mislead you. Akechi learns 2 moves on one level up? Come on dude.
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I thought the whole point of Akechi was that he WAS super obvious as the traitor, from his design, the way the plot involves him and his dialogue, but the twist is that the Protags realised it as well as the players were supposed too. It's one, of many, references to classic Great Thief fiction that the game plays. Such as having several death fake outs of main characters near the end, or the palaces all being classic thievery places.
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>>376296846
Has anyone tried taking Goro to the confessional?
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>>376296908
i did. he asks if he has done something to offend you and that it feels good to have a few things of his chest.

that smug fuck.
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>>376289302
It's not fair, I just want to bring back her smile. I hope whatever remake includes her.
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wouldn't outright call him the best villain setup but i consider him good for two reasons

>only villain that is directly after the MC and wants to personally fuck him over

kamoshida spreads rumor about your supposed criminal past. he directly mocks/taunts you and your only friend in the school even outside his shadow form and wants to use his status in the school to expel you. before you even enter the school you know he's piece of shit and that he considers you number one on his shitlist for not bending over for him like the rest of the school. The Mc has something at stake here since he risks expulsion and eventually juvie for not stopping him

in the rest of the scenarios the MC either gets involve in a situation that arguably doesn't concern him out of the desire to help others or gets dragged in against his will.

>arguably the most realistic villain in the game

the character kamoshida portrays is someone that people could actually meet in real life unlike the rest of the villains. he is a teacher using his power to abuse his students (sexually, emotionally etc). a normal person can meet a kamoshida and that's why he's so easy to hate, because you know people like him really exist.
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>in museum
>fuck up and dont ambush enemy
>turns out to be the big fucker
>insta kills joker
>lost 30 minutes of progress
>stop playing for a few days
>happens again
I enjoy the game but fuck, ambush makes things so easy but missing an ambush can easily mean death
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>>376296901
Pretty much. The game beats it upside your head telling you that Akechi is the traitor, the actual twist is the Thieves knowing that and setting up their own ruse on him. That and Not Igor, that was actually a pretty good twist imo.
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>>376289302
>Shiho
>wanting dick
She's a whore for Ann's sloppy pussy, m8
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>Mom wants to watch me play Persona
>Nearing the end of the game, get into combat
>It's Mara, of all things
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>>376296117
I love Haru!
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>>376296117
I consider Haru to be one of the top 5 Persona girls, and she is very cute and made for being waifu.

But I go where my heart leads me, to a sarcastic floofy land instead of the innocent floofy one.
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>>376297320
Fuck.

Fair enough.
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>>376297151
Igor was so well set up god damn.

The VA bait was amazing
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>>376297186
>Persona 6
>Female protagonist
>One of the female party members, as revealed through her s-link, turns out to be a lesbian
>she's desperately in love with MC
>s-link culminates in reciprocating her feelings, and making her the happiest girl in Japan, or breaking her heart, leaving her utterly devestated
Make it happen Atlus.
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>>376297124
>playing through remoteplay so there is a noticeable 1/4 second or so delay
>get ambushed
>4 hamas in a row work
>one enemy crits joker then follows up on joker again
>etc.

Miss the older swinging system since sometimes the prompt just doesn't come up, sometimes you'll ambush/attack animation a mile away, sometimes it doesn't work 3ft away.
Also ambushing makes no sense you can walk directly at them face to face and you get an ambush but if you do it from behind sometimes its a regular battle
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>>376293330
>implying Koreans and Chinese are even human, much less citizens
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>>376297440
>jap devs being in anyway progressive that way

kek
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>>376297527
If the alert is at 0% you can ambush an enemy from any angle, otherwise it has to be from behind or from cover.
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>>376297440
>tfw people will only accept a female mc in persona 6 if she's bisexual

they will never willingly accept an otome game scenario. she's gotta be willing to eat out another girl before people accept it
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>>376297320
It's ok anon, we are all just passengers to the whims of our hearts. You don't have to love her as long as we can agree that she deserves to have someone love her.
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>>376297590
>progressive
Why not just doing it for the yuri?
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>>376297527
I had to stop playing this game with remote play during story dungeons because of that delay. Ambushes are braindead easy normally but just that fraction of a second is startlingly deadly. Remote play was still a blessing for confidants and Mementos though.
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>>376297642
Everybody deserves somebody that loves them, anon. At least, most everybody.
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>>376293340
>>376291650
This is next level shit.
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>>376290998
>I guess that's half the point though--Okumura was 'chosen' because it was a good target, rather than emotion attachment.
Honestly, most targets feel like this. Pretty much since Madarame TPT just want popularity.
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>>376288926
>>376288861

He did nothing wrong
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>>376297440
I would buy ten copies
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>>376297630
Thus why even P3P had Aigis and Elizabeth act exactly the same as always.
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>>376297879
Well that element ties into the way Mementos functions as discussed later in the story.
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Honestly while I understand the theme of the game and its villains, I am a little disappointed, I just expected something more.....mystical? Eldritch? Otherworldly?

Using personas to brainwash shitty human beings is not exactly what I was expecting from P5, I guess I just wanted to bash demon faces and have a great adventure like in strange journey/digital devil saga, something more fun than dealing with shitty human beings behaving like shitty human beings.
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>>376297731
>Everybody loves somebody sometime
>Everybody falls in love somehow
That entire episode of Samurai Jack was one long WTF
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>>376294442
guess playing a video game is the next best thing, huh anon? : 3
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>>376297056
>Romancing a rape victim

She'd literally burst into treats just from MC standing near her.
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>>376298017
Have you played other Persona games? Even when heavy otherworldly elements are included, it's always been about the people in the end. I actually thought that P5 could have done without the otherworldly elements going through the roof in the final act and ending with something slightly more grounded and personal.

There's always SMT and other spinoffs for things like batshit crazy demon slaying, as you described.
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>>376298017
>shitty human beings behaving like shitty human beings.
That's persona's niche. Otherworldly activities are for other spinoffs. At least they make it clear that people are so shit they make gods want to nuke them.
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>>376297590
gay and lesbian romance games aren't exactly a rare thing in Japan.

but a return of a feMC would be alright
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>>376298286

I just wish they'd break the formula instead of

>Average highschooler meets other highschoolers
>Accidentally stumble upon supernatural shit and powers
>Use powers to save the world
>"Look at all this world saving we're doing guys!"
>Think the world is saved
>"It isn't?"
>"The collective shittiness of mankind has called forth a god who wishes for the end of days and we've been playing into its' hands the entire time?"
>"Fuck, lets go kill it"
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>>376298047
>the fucking salt from the daughteru fags
God damn it genndy
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>>376298378
Don't save inlined tumblr posts directly from the feed or directly from the blog page. Always open images in a new tab for the highest resolution.
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>>376298436
But thats not the plot of P3, or P4.
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>>376288861
He hurt my waifu. I delivered justice but it left a sour taste in my mouth.
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>>376298378

>Actually wanting that trash in another game

>>376298640

That is literally the plot of P3 except the rest of your party had the powers to begin with and the same goes for four except Izanami probably wouldn't have fucked the world up as much as the other two gods.
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>>376292656
>>376292968

He deserves it
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>>376290779
As a failing, obviouslyauthor in america I can promise you shits like him exist everywhere. Nonfiction, novels, game design, shameless one-hit wonder parasites are just a thing that exists.
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>>376298640
3 is all about everyone becomming mindless zombies for Nyx. granted Nyx was coming regardless but the Answer implies it's impartial without Erebus influence (Negativity of Humanity personified)).
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>>376298747
P4 you weren't going out to save the world. You were literally just trying to stop a serial killer. The world saving was the true route extra.

Hell P3 wasnt world saving until the reveal, you were just exploring the tower and seeing if killing all 12 of the greater shadows would do something.

Sure both games have a you must save the world reveal at the end but you were doing pretty mundane shit before then.
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>>376294451
>tfw remember the threads before release about how everybody memed about goro giving himself away about PANCAKES and forgot about it when I actually played the game
I'm not sure how I forgot when I knew to begin with.
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>>376290779
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>>376299043

Ok, "saving the world" may have been too broad a way to put it, lets go with "saving our part of the world". It still amounted to the same thing, I'd like it all to not be the whims of some world ending shit for once.
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>>376299313
Why do people hate when games involve saving the world? That's rarely how the plot starts, and serial escalation is good for storytelling.
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>>376299425

I don't, I just wish it wasn't "humanity is shit and they all wished for a world ending god so here I am!" for once. Don't get me wrong I love all three games to death and P5 is probably going on my top 10 but I'd like to be surprised when P6 happens.
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>>376299553
Seems like Atlus is paying attention to western fan reactions to P5, as it's easily their biggest release outside Nippon in a long time. Maybe they'll take this feedback into account on P6.

Also it's a shame that Green was already taken by Tokyo Mirage Sessions. We're out of primary colors. Violet next?
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>>376298378
>>376298552
Will we ever get someone as bro as junpei ever again?
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>>376299681
>only boy I wanted to romance in P3P (no homo)
>friendzones you
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>>376294267
Chair Force here can confirm
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>>376297440
>P5 gets FeMC
>date all the guys
>Valentines Day aftermath
>instead of beating her up
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>>376300019

>Wanting FeMC again
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>>376295905
This nigga gets it. Every one shits on the poor kid to the point wbere he goes columbine, it would have been a better "we fucked up" moment Mishima goes nuclear and becomes adachi 2.0
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>>376290461
She fell like 20 feet, on her feet, onto the relatively soft japanese grass that isn't folded 1000 times or anything. I assume the coma was actually dick addiction withdrawal starting to kick in.

Tyrone-Senpai took a similar fall except onto hard concrete after a firearm butt to the face, and then lots of drugs. Don't see him slipping into a coma.

Know why? Yusuke keeps him topped up on the D
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>>376296398
Yet the game bends over backwards to justify it
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>>376290502
This
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>>376300246
>not wanting hot smug female joker
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>>376293886
>then you still try to put mishima over
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>>376288926
He was an alpha in a sea of betas
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The presentation is absolutely gorgeous, and I'm referring to the models themselves. But after playing so much Breath of the Wild, I think that the only way to improve overworld traversal is for characters to realistically interact with surfaces of different shapes instead of having this slip and slide when they walk across a room. I know it's not a big deal, but I think it would help the presentation feel even more dynamic. Moving around a trash bin like it isn't a simple cylinder hit box or being able to actually make physical contact with walls would be cool. But I don't know if slight ragdoll interactions would hurt the style rather than help.
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>>376297576
>implying slants are different
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>>376300754
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>>376301129
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>>376290782
>tfw only the first and the seventh palace are unironically tied to worthwhile antagonists
>2 and 3 are filler for the sake of hyping the Phantom Thieves
>5 is the same as 2 and 3 but in the form of an excuse to fully kick in the plot
>4 and 6 are the token grey area antagonists, 6 leaning toward cartoonish villainy anyway.

Seriously Kamoshida was a big opening and probably should've switched places with Kaneshiro.
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Cat did literally nothing wrong. Ryuji should shoot himself but he'd probably miss
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>>376291565
>Mishima is literally Anthony Burch
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>>376301236
I'm saying more realistic, complex interactions with object and room models would be preferable to that really smooth walking and interacting with objects that possess simple geometric hitboxes. Like if you walked towards a wall, instead of stopping your forward motion while moving in place against the wall, you'd push your character realistically against that wall and maybe even lean against it.

It was never really an issue, but I'm just so used to Link's physical interactions with objects in Breath of the Wild that I think that applying movement physics like this to Persona 5 could help with the presentation even more.
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>>376294809
Weren't they in the room akechi pulled them into, after he was done blackmailing them when morgana told MC that? I recall being confused that they weren't at the pancake place when morgana brought that up, because it's fucking retarded to shelve it for months and then bring it up like it just happened.
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>>376301129
>>376301541
>tfw Conker does this but even Breath of the Wild doesn't
ragdoll a shit
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>>376295134
>No Shido doujin where he assrapes Joker, Ann, Futaba, Haru, and Akechi
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>>376301198
>The MC's whole reason for the situation he's in would have be different because, no, a machismo-obsessed politician would never file a report about getting his asked kicked by a high school girl.
Putting aside the absolutely horrendous spelling and grammar on display here, Shido had the entire incident covered up, totally obscuring his involvement in it, so it's not as if that actually matters to whether or not the scenario remains believable.

A more valid point would be people's treatment of the MC because, as this post and many others attest to, people just don't look at "Woman commits assault" as believable. This general behavior would thus mean people being more willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, which takes away a good deal of the societal stress on the MC in the game. This would of course be totally against the point.

tl;dr, this shit is right but for the wrong reasons.
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>>376298190
Is that not hot to you?
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>>376288861
It's just a shame the game couldn't quite keep it up.
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>>376297186
>Shiho wants to eat out a bitch that probably got dicked by more than Kamoshida

That seems pretty fucked up
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>>376301771
Haru is for tender love making, not brutal rape.
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>>376301894
Now that's not true. I had some of the best steak in my life while I was in Japan.

Granted it was also pretty pricey.
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>>376301971
The fact her entire plot is attempting to save her from being shipped off to a brutal rapist says otherwise.
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>>376302003
ah yes the kobe beef

but you do realize shes referring to the size of the portions right?

though Im not sure how hawaii sizes up theirs considering its an even smaller island then japan
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>>376301198
But that anons not arguing that having a FeMC is bad, he's just saying it would require lots of changes and extra development time. I'd be totally down with FeMC rerelease if Atlus did it properly and not just a model swap like western devs. It'd add heaps of replayability.
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>>376288861
why is his the only good palace in the game

everything else is boring shit when you compare
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>>376299815
Junpei knows better than to wife a roastie like you
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>>376301198
A hypothetical FeMC route would need to add male social links. The only male confidant you have that's near your age that isn't a party member is Mishima. You're supposed to have romantic confidants with

>Iwai
>Tora
>Oda

I know this series isn't a stranger to having a FeMC having a little boy fall in love with her, but I don't feel Oda's Confidant lends well to that at all. Tora wouldn't even be available, he's fucking old and wants to work in politics again. That leaves Iwai, Mishima, Ryuji and Yusuke as potential boyfriends. I suppose the game could change Akechi's confidant to make him romanceable, but I feel that changes his character. Akechi is someone who hates the entire Phantom Thieves, but clearly respects Joker. Changing it so he loves Joker just seems strange, I guess it would give people a chance to save him, though. I assume that's how his confidant would end if you romanced him.
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>>376302058
Even in terms of the portions. Had steak 3 times while in Japan. One was at an upscale place which overcharged on a shit portion, but the other two were perfectly comparable in size to steaks I'd had anywhere else in the world.

Like, $20 more expensive, but fuck it, they were that good.
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>>376290998
>It's actually sad to hear that Hifume was potentially a teammate

prove it
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>>376302198
>Changing it so he loves Joker just seems strange
Tell that to this series' rabid fujo fandom.
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>>376291502
>just wanted frriends
>just wanted pancakes
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>>376302045
the fact that you save her from that fate says otherwise
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>>376302290
Oh I know his fanbase would love it because it's 75% fujoshi, I just don't really like it personally.
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>>376302198
>pity fucking mishima
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>>376302198
I briefly started entertaining the idea of having the option to confess to Goro at Rank 9 in the interrogation room leading to a new route where-in he remains playable through the Ship, and the boss battle is fought against his cognitive version instead.

Except then I remembered that wouldn't work at all because the MC he confronts is Sae's cognition of such, so such an option would require Sae to be cognitive of Joker having feelings for Akechi, and that just kills my suspension of disbelief right then and there.
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>>376302198
they could swap kawakami out with one of the teachers

the one that has a cravat and looks like haru's fiance
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>>376302290
That retarded part of fandom that doesn't even play the game to understand his character role in the story somehow wants to fuck up his character just to justify their delusional ship ? Yeah I'm waiting to see if Atlus could cater to that kind.
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>>376302342
Wouldn't stop people from fetishizing the potential failure.
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>>376301894
Just made this, enjoy
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>>376301332
t. Useless cat
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>>376301541
oh alright, i gotcha
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>>376293384
You get that statistic when everyone pleas guilty regardless of what they did or did not do.

In Japan, it's Guilty until proven innocent.
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>>376302349
That sounds hot
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Anyone got the image of Kamoshida swinging by to share his thoughts?
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>>376288861
Kamoshida was in the right.

Any autists and their pretend morals don't matter; life is utterly meaningless so any atrocity you commit doesn't matter. Moralfags should die.
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>>376303412
yes
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>saving a rape victim by raping her

Simply epic
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>>376303775
Can you post it please?
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>>376288926
But Kamoshida was in the right.

Life has no meaning. Why bother to have morals when life itself has no meaning and we are all destined to die anyway? Might as well take advantage of some high school sluts; morals are for dipshits who will never be happy.
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>>376303780
Retard
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>>376303412
it's in this thread
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>>376303818
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>>376303907
Morals are for dipshits.

The only way to prosper in life is to take advantage of trash. Kamoshida is what we want to be in the end. Shido is definitely what we should become too.
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>>376303858
The actual in-game shot not the screencaps
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>>376296263
>>376296263
>competitors plural
>hey shidp can you get this guy out of the way
>guy fucking dies
>okay can you do it again
He knew exactly what he was doing, his shadow confirms that. He's an accomplice to multiple counts of murder
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>>376304123
went and got it from the archive for you
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>>376304452
Thanks buddy, you're a pal unlike that delinquent kid
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>>376304471
no prob
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I finished the game yesterday and it was great, but not super great. Some plot points felt rushed/not polished to me, like the okumura incident, the introduction of haru and how the Akechi's arc ends. I hope that the probably incoming director's cut version fix that
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He looks like the template NTR antagonist, that's why it feels good to fuck him up.
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>>376289541
>Madarame set up
Too fucking slow, even at the end it was too easy to feel how far away he was from the main characters in terms of villainy.

On the flip side, Kaneshiro was a legit threat that made the characters have to consider the morality of what they're since it was half selfish desire to just remove Makoto's debt
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>you will never butterfly kiss takemi
how am i supposed to go on?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC7zsHFUhtY this song is just amazing
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>>376291019
This. If slant eyed nukebabies weren't so fucking beta this would have stopped a long time ago and they wouldn't have needed an autistic cat and his faggot 'Arry Porrer owner.
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>>376296420
>Mishima's alright.
Stop this shit Mishima you fucking faggot
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>>376304852
>He looks like the template NTR antagonist
That's what they were going for designing him.

They actually toned him down quite significantly.
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>>376302483
Doesn't mean she isn't a perfect cinnamon roll made for marriage, cuddling and consensual vanilla sex.
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>>376294451
Nah, but I figured it fairly early on, based on him following you everywhere and acting like its all coincidence. Speaking of that faggot, how do I beat his third phase? I went in completely unprepared to get the fifth letter and got stuck in 4 bossfights with minimal healing and no saves
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>>376305218
>you will never double-date Tae and Elizabeth
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>>376305245
Relax, anon. Kamoshida is only in a vidya.
Now in the real world, I guarantee you this is happening everywhere; be it Japan, the US, wherever. And I guarantee you, me, or anyone here wouldn't dare call out someone in that position unless one had absolute madman status.
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>>376305390
what is this from? artbook?
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>>376306271
Yeah, the official design works.
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>not abusing your power to be rich
>being boring moralfags
>all your targets are people you're forced to deal with
>you literally throw yourself in prison for a while

Name a bigger joke of a thieves group
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>>376306310
Where can I find more?
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>>376303818
>>376304052
here come the online edge who's probably a Mishima-tier in real life.
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>>376303818
>life has no meaning
doesn't mean you have to be an asshole m8, your not a muslim right?
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>>376306365
>not abusing your power to be rich

Senpai, I totally abused my power to get rich, I don't know what game you were playing.
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>>376306365
>what is empathy

please, don't reproduce
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>>376306556
Empathy doesn't matter when you have a god like power
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>>376306437
Mishima is right here >>376295090

>>376306365
>not abusing your power to be rich
I earned over 3 million yen throughout the course of the game; and that wasn't even trying.
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>>376306629
t. edgelord
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>>376306678
>I earned over 3 million yen throughout the course of the game;

>implying fake money counts

These niggas weren't rich in story and that's what matters. Haru was but she's a stingy whore.
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>>376306794
Haru is NOT a whore!
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>>376288861
Wasent it implied that kamoshida raped shiho? Being the reason why she attempted suicide
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Great villain buildup but seeing people fucking spoil images online primarily about him made me think he was some important plot character so the first couple of hours into the game were pretty predictable.
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>>376306757
You won't get anywhere in life if you constantly put others ahead of you
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MORGANA IS BLACK

BLACK
L
A
C
K
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>>376303818
Life literally has meaning in the Persona universe where gods and afterlife objectively exist and you run a real risk of eternal torment in hell for being a bad person.
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>>376306794
Anon, all that sweet money was used buying meds, airsoft guns, cans of drink with placenta in them, and oversized hamburgers. Joker just kept it all to himself the sly guy.
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I got the platinum.

Now what?
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>>376303818
>we're all destined to die so i should be a selfish cunt because i cant handle what every person ever has or will go through.
you sound like a crybaby faggot.
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>>376307090

Slip into a depression
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>Murders people
>Adechi is still loved
>Train boys to be men
>Kamoshida is hated
I don't get it. Kamoshida did nothing wrong.
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>>376302058
It actually has a pretty big chunk of land for cattle ranching. Kamehameha got some cows as a gift, hired Mexican cowboys, and put them under protection.
That said, nowadays, it's what I'd assume is standard American portions. Not Texas size though, but portions are still bigger than Japan. Think Ruby Tuesday or some chain. Most of the beef is still imported though.
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>>376289645
Everything >>> Ark to be honest
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>>376307178
Adachi was just a shitty attempt at a Kira clone
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>>376290032
Because it was a garbage dungeon, you were doing the same shit constantly and the picture puzzles were the most braindead shit there
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>>376307178
Adachi symbolizes the pent up anger and frustration at not being able to change your circumstances and the often misused responsability that comes with power, he's more relatable and fits Persona's theme by putting on a mask of a bumbling bafoon to hide his twisted anger at society.
Kamoshida is a rapist.
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>>376307525
Kamoshida is a sexual offender. He isn't a rapist. Also Adachi is a murderer. Or do you believe that rape > murder?
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>>376307647
he raped shiho
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>>376307732
Come back to me when you got receipts that state he raped her or she said she was raped
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>>376307732
[Citation needed]
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>>376307732
>He raped shiho
Nice fanfiction faggot.
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>>376307315
Adachi is pretty much nothing like Kira other than the general small town serial killer idea with psychic powers and general homage to DiU.
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>>376306952
t. underage
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>>376307806
>>376307845
>>376307850
What?
Is that not what happened?
I thought Ann refused to sleep with him, so he fucked Shiho.
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>>376308014
>so he fucked Shiho.
Keep making up your lies to smear Kamoshida.
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I'm about to head into NG+. Is the English dub decent? I didn't mind the voice cast in P4.
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>>376308014
When Shiho was introduced for the first time in a conversation with Ann. Shiho said that volleyball is all she has in her life.

Ann refused to put out, so Kamoshida kicked out Shiho to make Ann reconsider and since volleyball = life, then you know what that means
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>>376308162
ye
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>>376308162
I actually like P5's dub much more then P4.

I'd say the only outright bad dubs in the main cast are for Haru. Maybe Makoto in certain parts too.
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>>376308237
Yeah, and before that he called her into his office to take Ann's place.

Ann was the big prize , but he still had Shiho in his secret shrine.
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>>376308014
He wanted to sleep with Ann because she was a hot unique girl, he got pissed she didn't and then beat up shiho in school, you gotta be retarded if you think he legit raped her in school

> Shiho said that volleyball is all she has in her life.

Dumb bitch talking like she was gonna make it big as a women anyways
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>>376301198
The reasons in that pic is EXACTLY why i would like a FeMC though because it would be so derailing, and having that much extra content in updated release/remake is not a bad thing.
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>>376308162
Ryujis dub is actiually incredible, the others are good or just fine
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>wanting femc and wasted effort like the main story doesn't need a whole brush since 2/3 of the entire cast are irrelevant
>>
>>376308162
I've noticed people have a tendency to not like the opposite of which they played with first time around as much as the other. That said, the I'd say the dubbing is good. At it's worst it's below average, and that's only from background NPC's thank goodness.
>>
The only reason to complete Mishima's SL is so you're not first on his list when he finally snaps and shoots up the school
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>>376308828
What type of car do you think Mishima would drive?
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>>376290779
>shitter who will never create anything mad that productive people want recognition for their work

Lmao
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>>376308373
>>376308347
>>376308501
>>376308802
The only thing that sort of worries me is how the English actors pronounce the Japanese words. Some of them can sound really bad when say them, is there a lot of that in the dub?
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That'll be 100,000 yen plus tip.
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>>376309279
She returns it to you which she earned from Affinity/luck reading
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>>376309181
I don't really know Japanese pronunciations but yeah there have been complaints about the voice direction there specifically with names. Like Sakamoto being pronounced Sa-kah-moto or Ta-kah-maki.
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>>376309316
>doesn't even give you a discount on fortunes when maxed

Worst girl
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>>376308162
What carries over from a ng?
>>
>>376309181
According to what has been circling around that's actually an AtlusJPN decision to pronounce them like that. Why did they do that? No one has the slightest clue. I believe it only because it's the same voice dubbing group that did P3 and P4, and they pronounced the names perfectly fine.

And yes, there are a quite a few name mispronunciations.
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>>376309381
Chihaya is cute and not the worst by any means. She must be in quite a bit of debt after returning all the holy stone money so she can't afford working at a discount.
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>>376309381
She has to make a living unlike Kawakami who does it for free.
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>>376290683
He didn't rape her.
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>>376309387
compendium, skill cards, equipment valentine's day chocolates, key items from confidants that unlock certain perks of theirs upon getting rank 1 of their links, christmas key item that speeds up your affinity gain with whatever girl gave it to you so long as you have a persona of their arcana
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>>376309453
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>>376309425
They did it because of the fact japs still think their names only flow better if they're pronounced a certain way in English.
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>>376309510
So in ng you pretty much wreck everything?
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>>376309593
In NG+ you are aiming for platinum and play on a harder difficulty. You also carry over all your social stats so you don't have to do silly stats grinding and can focus on maxing everyone's SLink and spending dates with your waifu.
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>>376309593
Yes since you bring your equipment so being level 1 again doesn't mean shit. Also money carries overs. Only lame thing is that Igor's confidant doesn't give a key item so arcana burst is nerfed until last day.
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>>376305218
Was this exclusively her song? How many characters had their own theme in this game?
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>>376288861
I did love making him mad.

I like that you can bait blackmail in your second encounter with him.
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>>376294952
Can confirm. Adachi is the hero of p4.
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>>376309803
This was the clinic theme.
Also best OST is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVr4QzdwjHQ
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>>376289645
I can mostly agree but I dunno why people like the museum so much.
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>>376290395
CAUSE IT FUCKING SUCKS

I wish I could convey this feeling of anger through text. It's quite awful.
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>>376288926
I know I'm late and I don't necessarily think Kamoshida did "nothing" wrong, but he(and Madarame as well) made some valid points and it irked me that the party's response was basically "yeah well you're stupid, shut up."

People like Kamoshida and hell, pretty much all of the Palace owners, don't get where they are solely through their own efforts. To imply that they do would be giving them too much credit. People like them emerge because society allows, hell even demands it. The shit that went down after the Shido change of heart should've been literally every change of heart in the entire game. Taking down those people should've resulted in more problems and chaos than they solved, every time.
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>>376295740
But you're not. In fact, it's the only dungeon where you're allowed to run away or hide (using an item)
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>>376309998
Big Bang Explosion was fucking hilarious.
It was even more funny when I discovered it healed you if you were hunger.
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>>376309803
It was the store theme, Iwai's airsoft shop also has its own theme.
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>>376310117
That is pretty funny.

Actually, the boss battle is the only thing I like about that dungeon, at least on hard. It was actually quite challenging. Hell, I even enjoyed the rush to the boss, and wish there was less time on the clock

Everything up to it was a chore though.
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>>376309970
My guess is that it's from how short and unintrusive it is. A lot of people hate P5 dungeons because they're not mindless hallways connected to empty rooms like P3 and 4
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>>376309803
pretty much as it only plays at the clinic
i don't think anyone else except social links that took place in certain places (like Iwai) have their own theme
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>>376310227
Think the timer is made to scale. Like for Merciless difficulty.
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>>376291569

>In the Berenstein universe there are tons of people complaining about Hifumi being a mary sue ruining the party and wishing that Makoto wasn't removed from the party.
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>>376296469
>Died off screen
>Did the same with Adachi
>comes back in the spinoffs and remake with more presence

If he's popular enough, he'll be back.
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>>376291261
5's took me like a day on hard and I actually felt exhausted. So little sp...
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>>376310472
Adachi never died. Are you stupid?
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>>376310549
They wrote him off as imprisoned for the murders, yet apparently that's not enough to get you sent away for a long time if he's up and around again for at least one more game.

Because popularity as an edge lord (And MC's foil, I guess)
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>>376292230
Haga Yui still makes porn?
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>>376294637
delet this Ann is not a slut
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>>376295090
>Only thinking about yourself and not others
There's your downfall
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>>376296082
This >>376296268
My Arsene became a fucking beast thanks to gallows and skill cards
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>>376303818
Go to bed, Akechi.
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>>376306365
>am right after Hawaii
>have 600k yen in the coffers

Sounds like you've been a pretty shitty thief, familia.
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>>376310472
Adachi didn't die. Pretty sure they mention him being carted off to hospital for overexertion.
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>>>>376311634
Adachi is in the arena games. He got sent to prison
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