So when did this franchise peak and die off for you and why?

>>376268149
I don't think they'll ever top Gen 5, B2W2 had so much content, and all of it was fun, the achievement system was a nice touch too.

I wouldn't say it's died off yet, but it's definitely declined since then

The Mystery Dungeon series is pretty strong so I don't know if it's reached its peak yet. Hopefully it's not dead and we get a gen 7 MD.

when danny devito didn't get to voice detective pikachu

I didn't touch Gen IV or V, I was burned out by then.

I've picked it back up for VI and VII though, and I really want to see what they do on the Switch for Gen VIII.

Still very much so alive for me although admittedly there's a very distinctly sharp contrast between the effort put into the pre-Gen VI and post-Gen VI games

>>376268149
Gen 2. Not that I didn't like the other games but Gold and Silver were very innovative for the time. After that, most features began to look like fanservice. And I've yet to see any Pokemon game to top the final battle with Red.

BW2 was the last game I played multiple times. I've probably played through Emerald the most, despite hating much of it. That's the power of discovering emulation and playing the game at 4x speed.

>>376268343
I'm genuinely curious anon, why is it that so many consider Gen 5 to be the peak? Even without being a dick with regards to ice cream cones and garbage bags, the Gen 5 games felt like they were too upfront with the story and the region was not very interesting or compelling to explore.

>>376268804
Gen 2 was objectively bad. Using Kanto as a crutch to give the illusion of more content just reinforces this.

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>>376268149
For me it was after Platinum simply cause i was just tired of playing Pokemon.
Tried B/W and i couldn't will myself to keep going after the 5th badge.
Tried X/Y and actually beat it feeling a bit empty like i could've used the time spent playing x/y playing something more interesting.
Serena a qt though.
Haven't played S/M

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>>376268149
It'll never die as long as the porn keeps coming

The atmosphere declined starting with RS and they clearly started to lose their way with the direction of the series starting with HGSS, the current director that did ORAS and SM obviously has no clue what he's doing in his position at all and needs to be removed ASAP

The core mechanics are still fine though so the games are still enjoyable

>>376268149

Peaked at Gen Wun, because I was young and stupid enough to enjoy it. I tried to play Pokemon Moon, but it was garbage. Can't understand the appeal anymore.

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>>376268149
Platinum to BW2 is just an amazing set of games

Gen 6 is bad, Gen 7 is okay, but the best days are behind us

>>376268149
Gen 5-7

>>376268149

I think Gen 5. I couldn't get into Unova's linearity. X/Y was just as bad but Sun/Moon took it to the extreme.

At this point, I can't care about the new Pokemon designs, and since they're railroading the quests, I just can't care anymore.

>>376268149
Personally for me the games peaked in Gen 4 with Platinum and HGSS but BW2 objectively have the most content so technically the series peaked there but I can never finish those games since they made grinding a chore with their new EXP system

>>376269014
People who played them as children are old enough to pretend to be adults on online message boards and also storyfags are invading every Nintendo property lately (see also: Kirby) without realizing what actually makes a good story

>>376268149
It's still selling, so I wouldn't say it's dying off.

Gen 6 and Gen 7 feel more like they've been overly gimmicky. Mind you, the games have always had their strange gimmicks (Gen 2 had daily massages and gathering nuts to make pokeballs) but the ones in the last two generations have been highly attached to the game itself. Megas were a pretty big thing, as were the island-hopping and Beasts. The series feels like it has jumped the shark and hasn't figured out a good method to settle down in.

As for why? It's probably getting old. While there are still 20+ women who are willing to pick up the occasional Pikachu doll, that won't sell the games to the new batch of kids. So they need something interesting, and those kids probably aren't following the anime the same way previous ones did.

I'm not sure why they don't just make trainer fights into double battles all the time, with wild encounters being single battles. It seems more fitting, especially with the focus on double battle abilities and double battles at events.

>>376268149
You can actually pinpoint the exact moment it went to shit, and it was with Gen 6

Pearl in Diamond. Was a extremely fun game but it was that gen and onwards that Pokemon ran out of momentum

Gen 6. We got two mediocre games with no third version fixing them and the worst remakes ever.

Black and White is where I should have stopped playing. I hated how unapologetically linear the game was and the amount of text boxes you had to wade through to play the game. XY was slightly better but ORAS killed it for me.
I haven't touched Sun&Moon, and judging by whats been shown I think that I made a good choice.

>>376268343
>>376269302
>actually saying anything good about gen 5
I want underage fucks to get off my /v/.

>>376268149
Hasn't died but its been on a decline since bw2. SuMo/SM was a good step in the right direction but we'll have to see where it leads us.

>>376269014
Because Ice cream cones and Garbage bags are nothing compared to purple slime and magnets, face it anon, the designs were always weird

Disregarding that stupid point, Black and White were just fine, it was with Black and White 2 that Gen 5 became the best one, you have a very big pool of pokemon to catch, the gyms were varied and themed, the soundtrack was arguably the best to date, and the extra content really expands the game's length without going out of its way to change the gameplay too much

>>376269398
Fuck off retard, Please tell me what do YOU think is the best Pokemon Gen, please, i really want to know

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>>376269302
Pokemon SoulSilver

>>376269679
Im not underage, you're just an old man with shit taste, grandpa

>>376268149

Platinum and Black/White. Plat was the game that told you to get good or go home, fixed near all of the issues found in Diamond and Pearl, and still retains one of the comfiest settings in the franchise.

B/W was the best experiment. The Region Lock kept you from falling back on old blood and encouraged experimentation, the region was well varied and the new dex had the lowest number of shitmons, the plot felt like something out of the mangas and the music jumped straight to God-tier.

>>376268343
FPBP

>>376268149
The DS games were the peak after everything before them had built on top of each other quite nicely, then the 3DS games was where it fell off a cliff for me, especially Sun & Moon

Gen 1/2 were peak, 3/5 were okay, everything else has been garbage.

The games have gotten so monotonous and stale over the years that only revamping the entire way the games play would get me interested again. The not even half-steps they've done while transitioning to """3D""" have done nothing for me.

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Played up through gen 4, any gens after that didnt play cause I was in later years of middleschool and pokemon started to lose that magic. I just wanted a pokemon vidya where, ALL of the pokemon were within the game, no trading, no other versions. A pokemon game that had 2, preferablly 3 or 4 regions, hell kanto+jhoto should be one big region. If they made you start in kanto/jhoto and start over with low levels in hoenn, those other regions I wouldnt mind it. And CHALLENGES, singleplayer stuff, like the emerald battlefrontier but on steroids and in multiple regions. I also was dissapointed the sevii islands werent an orange islands thing. Long rant aside, I feel kinda JUSTED when I think the potential for an official pokemon vidya. I think seven generations and a hundred bazillion episodes they have enough frign content to make a bigass pokemon world game of some sort and call the series an end. Make future games set in distant times or other planets and have it as a separate canon within the pokemon universe.

>>376268149
when i turned 12 or so, this game is for children

I just want something with innovation like Sun and Moon, with an online mode like a more polished X and Y system, and other shit I guess.

And breaking away from the horrendously stale gym shit was good, and Team Skull was a breath of fresh compared to the reskinned team rockets with different autistic philosophies.

How to fix Pokemon

>Can select hard mode from the start
>All regions available - Possible option to pick your starting region as well.
>Proper end game content like Battle Tower etc

Now I will buy Pokemon.

>>376269914
can I get uhhhh
sauce?

>>376270026
I'm so disappointed with how linear BW was overall. The game just locked any sort of pathway until you talked with the required people/completed the local gym, then pulled some bullshit to allow you to pass. I honestly would've been a lot more motivated to play if it I could wander around.

The pokemon were pretty neat (I was surprised to pick up a favorite fighting-type there) and the place itself wasn't that bad. And Applehair is one of my favorite designs.

>>376269863
No single generation is the best because they all have their own pros and cons in all seven of their mediocre natures but people will act as if there is a clear cut best or worst due to their own nostalgia or poorly founded biases

>>376269302
>X/Y that low
Kill yourself. They were no worse than OR/AS.

>>376270289
This is the problem with Pokemon. The minimum effort feels good for fans.

SM werent very innovative just by changing the name of gyms and and making both evil teams underdeveloped since we had no time for both

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>>376268149
Unless they completely fuck up the system in order to appeal to a wider audience, and even then we can always go back to the last good games, I'll always appreciate the competitive aspect of the video games. I didn't buy ORAS until VGC 2016 and I still haven't touched SM, but damned if I don't mind playing some sim battles once in a whie.

Speaking to the franchise itself, I doubt it'll ever effectively die as it really is a successful IP that spans multiple mediums. It's still Big 3 for a physical TCG, for example.

>>376268343
As for its peak, I'll agree that HGSS and B2W2 are local maximums - even the original Gold and Silver hold up really well. It remains to be seen if they can ever be topped. In terms of popularity it got a spike due to Go, but easy come easy Go since I doubt many people who entered or came back to the IP due to it have stuck around and as are excited about nearly all aspects of the franchise as the rest of the fandom can be. I haven't hung around Pokémon players since Worlds 2016, so I haven't had as much incentive to keep up with everything myself.

I want to write a Pokémon manga one day.

>>376268149
>Owned Red/Blue/Yellow as a kid

>pirated FR/LG and Black/White Black2/White2

Sorry Nintendo I'm not buying a handheld just to play a game, plus turbo mode is super satisfying on an emulator.

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>>376268149
It never died off for me, its still kicking strong

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>>376270026
>B/W1 worship

I'll never understand this. I never bothered with the sequel but I really thought Gen V was mediocre.

Region lock only hurt the game. Oh wow no more zubats but now there's woobats, LOOK AT HOW NEW THIS IS. Just led to a small pool of Pokemon. Region was cramped, with plot railroads and sealing off a fuckton of the region until postgame. You can't explore SHIT. Plot was paced super poorly with your idiot rivals always butting in and only was cool at the end. Game had some excellent music tracks but the songs you hear all the time weren't that great. Gen V added some gimmicky dream world of no value, and the postgame felt unfinished with every enemy trainer having pokemon at the exact same level. It holds up well compared to the shithole of Gen VI but compared to actually innovative gens there's nothing of value in B/W1. It was an experiment and I heard B/W2 actually works well but on its own, B/W1 was weak.

>>376270510
>fandom
>>>/leddit/

>>376270451
The only ones that can compete for the best gen are

>Gen 5
I explained that one on my previous post
>Gen 4
Just because they have the HGSS remakes that are really good, and Platinum I guess, Diamond and Pearl are trash
>Gen 2
Another great contender, since Gold, Silver and Crystal are still amazing games even though they are really limited

The other Gens can't even compete

>>376270551
Drink bleach, furfag.

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>pokemon sun
>pokemon moon
>pokemon stars
>pokemon go is on earth

Guys what if gamefreak drops the 9th gen with every pokemon region/islands and call it "Pokemon earth/world"

>>376270403

Every game after Johto, barring the route split in D/P/PT, has done that though.

>>376270559

Ok, where is this idea of such deep exploration in Pokemon games coming from? At most, you could just do a couple of Gyms out of order; you were near always blocked off by HM or plot requirements otherwise.

>>376270459
>shit characters
>shit plot
>shit region
>shit characters
>shit graphics
>shit pacing
>shit difficulty
>shit pokedex
>average music
>average new pokemon
>great online
The last few arent enough

>>376270673
This is correct.

>>376270538
>plus turbo mode is super satisfying on an emulator
This.

Holy shit, these games are so much more satisfying to play through again when you can run them at 4x or 8x speed. You get in a ton of grinding or make a large amount of progress in just a little amount of time.

>>376270559
You really didn't run into Woobats all the time; they at least varied that up. The pool of pokemon wasn't really that small (most games only have just over 100 for their main game as well) but the rest of your points are entirely valid.

>>376270771
>shit region
Again, kill yourself.

Ruby/Sapphire.

They added the new EV/IV system (yes, faggot, I'm aware of how the old system worked), and then catered to the people who already knew about it by including a multitude of items that exist specifically to abuse those mechanics. I can't stand games where high level of play requires use of hidden mechanics.

I know X/Y sorta fixed that, but by then it was too little too late.

>>376268149
When I started playing actual RPGs I realized Pokemon didn't have either a particularly compelling story nor that great gameplay. The only "fun" bit was emergently creating a team from your encounters but after you play one game you've kinda played them all.

>>376270765
There's a line between "deep exploration" and "DON'T YOU DARE STEP OFF THE STRAIGHT LINE". No pokemon is non-linear but no game railroads your ass as hard as B/W1.

>>376270869
Well the woobats weren't constant, but the idea is that the region lock didn't help things feel "fresh" at all.

>>376268149
Peaked for me in Gold and Silver. Just because I loved Red and Blue and was anticipating G/S so much and it delivered for me. I fell off pokemon after that until X/Y and Sun/Moon just because I got into other stuff. I think I'm done with pokemon overall but I really loved what time I had with it.

When it went to 3DS because I didn't buy one.

>>376271078

Ruby/Sapphire. Apart from Base Hunting and the Regis, there was nothing.

>>376270995

This is why I haven't played a pokemon game since Pearl. Pokemon has absolutely no depth to it but if you enjoy collecting monsters it's a solid game.

>>376270901
>Gen 3
>add pokemon designed to take advantage of the physical/special typing with their movesets, as opposed to ideas which sound nice but didn't work due to mechanics
>Gen 4
>physical/special split screws a lot of those same pokemon over
People who liked Sceptile and Manectric must've been disappointed. I can't even think about finding a good grass-type and next generation discovering that all it's moved switched over to a different attack stat.

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>>376270893
Kalos is complete shit

it's a theme park of random locations and biomes slapped together in a way that does not mesh together well at all.

with a huge focus on looking at pretty things rather than interacting with anything, and a shit load of useless locations .

Just look at this shit, and then fuck off

It peaked during 5th gen, but it hasn't quite died for me just yet. If they don't stop all the bullshit genwun pandering though I'll probably drop the franchise.

>>376268149
Sun/Moon were pretty fun, I got one of those $99 black friday 3DSes for my gf and we both played through all through december

It's pretty comfy cuddling and playing Pokemon for hours on end with a girl

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When they removed the Battle Frontier, the VS Seeker, and Gym Leader rematches.

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>>376271474
Normie get the fuck out of this board right fucking now

>>376271318
>durr, games shouldn't have varied locations

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>>376271372
B-But without Gen 1, Pokémon wouldn't even EXIST!

>>376269863
See that's an interesting viewpoint because Black and White left a really bad taste in my mouth when I first played it.

Putting all opinions on design aside, I hated how they forced you to use new shit while at the same time being blatant copies with one or two small difference, which made it seem like they ran out of ideas for good. I hated how the rivals were forced upon you and how there was so little to see outside of the railroad they set you on.

I just stopped playing the game after the credits hit, I couldn't bother with post-game. I couldn't even stomach the sequels past the second gym, even with their cheap pandering by introducing older pokemon, but so many people seem to praise that game for some reason.

>>376268149
When I turned 14

I know a TON of people will disagree, but 3 was my favorite gen, but I hated the remake of it because it felt so weird to play. And 4 was so boring to me.

>>376271474
And then you woke up.

>>376270893 you can't honestly sit there and say kalos wasnt a shit region. ffs your riveld like basketball head were just there to suck your ego off and everything was a breeze to go through. the fact my team was 10 levels higher than the champion had me going "wtf?". i dont even remember the elite four the shit was so mundane and boring

>>376268149
But it literally was just the designs.

>>376270304
the region picking option sounds so unrealistic, it would be easier if it was like game with ports to previous games but thats just as stupid.

Gen 2
Died with gen3 since it was handled so poorly

>>376271910
You lose the right to complain about that shit when you use Exp. Share and/or grind too much.

That rival was dumb.

>>376271318
Yeah, pretty much.
I remember a bunch of anons on /vpS pointed out the geography of the region didn't match up with itself.

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>>376268149
>Implying it has even declined

Pokemon Sun/Moon was one of the finest pokemon games ever made faggot. I'm sorry you can't enjoy video games anymore. Stay mad.

>>376272071
>just dont use the things the game offers!

>>376272039
Pretty much this, I did enjoy Gen 5 part 1 tho.

I think I'm going to drop this franchise after Platinum remake. Honestly not that keen on thath though. Sun and Moon, just like gen 4, is really slow.

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Anyway, /v/, what's your favorite pokémon?
Mine is pic related

>>376272135
The Exp. Share is there for children and shitters.

Franchise was at its absolute best during Gen 5. S&M were the final nail the coffin for myself, never have I felt so ripped off from a game. Pokemon is dead to me now

>>376268149
Ruby/Sapphire
Too easy, no end game

>>376272289
Probably Magmar.

>>376271318
There's a pretty clear seasonal transition starting from Spring at 6 to Summer at 9, Fall at 12, Winter at 3

>>376272340
Oh wait, it peaked for me at G/S/C, those games were perfect. Everything after is this post

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>>376270510
>>376269302
Why do the same people come to collectively praise HGSS and B2W2 when these games epitomize the problems of post-GBA pokemon games? HGSS were remakes that only improved aesthetics without improving pokemon variety or level scaling, and B2W2 were guilty of blowing more story in your face to the point you'd be playing less even on your first run.

Platinum, Emerald, and FRLG are the only games that seemed to prioritize replayability and improvement in mechanics.

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>>376270304
>all regions
>at the start of each region you get all new Pokemon like the tv show
>can pick a mascot Pokemon to travel to each region with you if you want (has to stay first evo and level resets each region)
>in certain scenarios one of your old Pokemon will show up and wreck shit like when Charizard randomly shows up in the anime

The games haven't evolved, that's why I lost interest. They never put a graphically powerful full fledged game on consoles. That shit was fine back in the 90s but I can't play on handheld for those kinds of games anymore.

>>376272423
>FRLG
Enjoy the terrible grind.

>>376272289
Haunter

>>376271757
Varied locations doesnt mean it has to be nonsense. Every region from Johto to Unova gave us that without being stupid.

Look back at that pic and realise that a desert, grassy field, and marshy forest are all directly next to each other,, and also the biggest urban city in the region. Just shit.

>>376272079
I remember that

Peak: Gen II
Death: Gen VI

>>376272306
dude your argument is crap. you might aswell not use potions cause your not a shitter right? or pokecenters while your at it.

just admit X/Y was hand holding you too much to the point where you dont even care about strategy and just mash A because its that easy.

>>376272638
>I don't understand elevation changes

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>>376268149
Never

Hardcore Pokefag until I die. This series unironically shaped most of my childhood and turned me into the special little autist I am today. I will never let it go.

>>376272423
Because HGSS did improve variety and scailing by adding more locations to train/find pokemon and BW2 doesnt stop you as much for story as either of the games that surround it.

When they added the 152nd pokemon.

>>376268149
When I grew up and realized that all Pokemon games are shit

>>376268149
>old pokemon
>your opponent is using a fire type, use water to beat IT
>nu-pokemon
>YOUR OPPONENT IS USING A FIRE TYPE
>WATCH OUT IF YOU DIDN'T AUTISTICALLY SPEND 5 HOURS TO TRAIN YOUR POKEMON IN THE RIGHT WAY IT'S FUCKED EVEN IF IT'S WATER
>BUT WAIT THE FIRE TYPE MIGHT KNOW GRASS ATTACKS FOR SOME STUPID REASON
>BUT WAIT IT MIGHT HAVE A BULLSHIT ITEM THAT CAN LET IT HEAL TO FULL HEALTH
>BUT WAIT IT MIGHT HAVE A BULLSHIT ABILITY THAT PROTECTS IT
>BUT WAIT THIS PIECE OF SHIT IS FIRE DESPITE NOT LOOKING LIKE IT
>BUT WAIT IT MIGHT ALSO BE SOME OTHER STUPID TYPE THAT MAKES NO SENSE

>>376272916
Actually, I take this back, I still like the Mystery Dungeon games

>>376272720
The Exp. Share in XY is literally for children. Instead of working for one pokemon, it affects your entire party. I'm certain Game Freak commented on that change, saying it was because this generation of players doesn't like to grind at all.

Get fucked, kiddo.

>>376272750
>elevation changes
>all direct entrances to the same city
How much can the elevation change across one town?

Gen 7 gave the series its sense of wonder back. If only it kept the online capabilities of Gen 6 and the first island were less of a tutorial, it'd be perfect.

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Casualization

Just like they almost killed Rhythm heaven Megamix

Geez, Thinking about it, Megamix is the Rhythm heaven game that impacted the less, At least Fever is popular because Ringside

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>>376269158
this

>>376273005
>across one town
You mean "region". Get out of Kansas sometime and you might see.

>>376269075
ouch, your cutting me stop it with the edge

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>>376272543
Ok, you got me there. But it depends.

>>376273116
I'm talking about the places that are directly outside Lumiose City. Unless that place is absolutely massive, these places are pretty much next to each other

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>a bunch of people who don't play Pokemon discuss how to fix Pokemon

All we need is more shit like Totem Lurantis and more postgame content.

>>376269302
I'd probably switch b/w2 with b/w, and platinum with gold/silver

>>376272530
This is how I know you've never played any of the recent Pokemon games due to your "they're probably shit anyway!" mentality.

>>376269334
>Linearity
>implying pokemon is an open ended game in any way
>ok

Pokemon would be infinitely better if every battle was duo or trio.

>>376268149
When I finished my Living Dex and finished breeding off all my competitive teams.

There's not much else to do outside of battles, and anything like SR'ing for natures or hatching eggs becomes arbitrarily boring, though these are some egregious examples.

I wish there were more incentive for longtime fans to stay with the series. Vanilla Battle Tower postgame facilities can only keep me busy on RNG shenanigans for so long, and the only gimmick they've kept till now is the "you can transfer your Pokémon from x gen" that's still moderately appealing to an autist like me. I'd appreciate it if they took the time to put in more world-building, or at the very least, something that doesn't jar my immersion like booting me straight to the title screen after the Elite Four, or at least maintain consistency with the usual motif of connectivity, which is the main reason I put down Go due to assuming there'd be a main game transfer feature hinted at by Masuda himself all the way back during the Sun/Moon hype train.

>>376272993
>being this delusional

the entire premise of your argument is the EXP share. what about the forgettable characters? the one rivel who battles you doesn't have a SINGLE offensive move. regardless of the EXP share you can literally sweep the gym leaders,beat anybody who comes across your path,and beat the E4 without even looking at the screen. seriously just admit X/Y was shit

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I honestly don't understand the praise for Gen 2. The games had tons of unusable shitmons, boring regions, laughable jokes for villains, an obnoxious level curve, and relied on Kanto since Johto was too small of a region to stand well on its own.

>>376273530
>being an autistic pokemon breeder

>>376268149
I followed the series faithfully ever since I played Yellow but once gen 6 came out I just couldn't get into it anymore. Maybe it's just that XY sucked, but I played Moon and while I enjoyed it, I couldn't get really into it like I used to be able to with Pokemon.

>>376272949
Most of that stuff was in Gen 1
>bulbasaur vs slowpoke
>your opponent knows ice attacks
>your opponent uses a full restore
>your opponent doesn't even look like water
>it looks normal why is it water/psychic

>>376273582
People who praise Gen 2 probably have not played it since Crystal and forgot about the abysmal level curve and the lack of dex variety before the E4.

I quite like Gen 2 but it gets its dick sucked way too much as the pinnacle of the series.

>>376268149
It never really did for me but that's because I really only thoroughly played Gen 1 and Gen 6. Getting a living dex in X after not playing since Red_ was really fun.

>>376273579
How would you know that, shitter? You've never played it without baby mode enabled.

The problem with Kalos is that, while diversity in enviroments is nice, there's too much of it in Kalos. Unlike other regions, which only use a section of a country, Kalos uses the entirety of France, and since everything is so crammed together, the enviroments don't make sense.

>>376273626
Yeah fuck people who spend time playing Pokemon, everyone should be a casual who uses garbage monsters.

>>376269302
objective truth

>>376273582
Johto in HGSS is great, even without Kanto.

>>376272839
>Because HGSS did improve variety and scailing by adding more locations to train/find pokemon

Bullshit. Most of the viable pokemon are still either late in Johto or all the way in Kanto. Until then you're still forced to weed through unwanted Kanto pokemon, just like the GBC games.

>>376269302
Is this a "stood the test of time"thing because for their day there was absolutely nothing wrong with blue red or yellow apart from the need to own or know someone that owns a different version to complete a major side quest

>>376273737
I couldn't have hoped for a more autistic response. Thanks for confirming that.

>>376273363
Understandable changes

>>376273738
My nigga

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>>376273702
alright you got me. some prime time bait m8

DS era as a whole is the peak
3DS is a sheer cliff into shit valley

Like most kids, I was a fucking Pokemon fanatic during first generation, lesser so during second generation, and by third generation I was kind of over it.

I got bored of playing the same game over and over and over but with more side-quests added each time.

Haven't played any Pokemon game past Sapphire/Ruby.

>>376273830
For confirming your austism? You are welcome.

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>>376272289
This cute and strong as hell motherfucker right here

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Gen 6, but gen 7 was still pretty good.

Something about 6 was so dry and soulless to me, on top of that, X/Y had the rivals every 5 seconds and ORAS had the "oops can't have those features from RSE anymore" problem.

should i just skip black and white 1 and emulate 2? i don't know if they are plot connected or something, also black or white?

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>>376272289
beetlebro
i even like the mega

>>376274040
They're definitely plot connected. BW2 are better imo but BW1 isn't exactly bad.

Gen 2 (remake) > Gen 7 > Gen 5 > Gen 1 (remake) > Gen 1 > Gen 3 > Gen 2 > Gen 4 > Gen 3 (remake) > Gen 6

>>376268149
Gen 4 physical/special split was the best thing to ever happen to the series. I never had as much fun with a pokemon game again as I did with Soul Silver

>>376272993
>defending grinding like it's actually fun
>calling someone kiddo
>implying you're not the biggest faggot of all fucking time

>>376273952
>austism
I'm not the one tediously breeding pokemon for muh stats and getting pissed when someone points my autism out.

>>376268149
Stopped giving a shit about pokemon when they released a new batch of them and they all looked retarded. Also turned out to be the same time I was older and didn't want to look like an autistic faggot playing with a little handheld machine designed for children.

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>>376268149
Never, I loved SM and I have enjoyed every mainline Pokemon game.

>>376273862
Yeah, I fucking loved waiting for those annoying weather animations to play out and then having to wade through incredibly slow battle animations. Truly the peak of pokemon!

>>376273862
This right here, this guy's onto it.

You've got the original GB/GBA eras, then the DS era and finally 3DS. I really think the DS era was the strongest the series had been.
It's like the 3DS's hardware or something just crippled GF mentally.

>>376274040
BW is the real deal, BW2 is just an extra treat for people who liked BW

>>376273862
Platinum and B2/W2 were the only good Pokémon DS games though. DP are even worse than X/Y and HG/SS did nothing to fix the issues of the original G/S. At least the 3DS has Sun and Moon (comfiest region, best music, best characters, best plot) going for it.

>>376269302
>ORAS
>Better than anything
NO

>>376274105
>being this mad
>having no argument
It's alright, kiddo. They'll keep pandering to shitters like you.

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>>376272289
Before it was Gengar tied with Ampharos, but then this cute fucker became a thing.

Diamond/Pearl was when I quit playing new releases, but I still replay the older ones from time to time.

>>376274107
It takes like 20 minutes to breed a perfect stat Pokemon you doofus. You don't even play Pokemon and you're acting like an autist in a thread discussing Pokemon. Why are you even here?

>>376273792
Not really, between the Safari Zone and new places, I managed to get quite a bit more new stuff. Not the best distribution ever, but objectively much better. Caught a huge power azumarill before the 5th gym, for instance. And all the people saying it's hard to get Heracross are wrong

>>376273803
Gen 2 holds up now, Gen 1 is okay but a product of it's time

Gen VII is the best one yet, fuck your nostalgia glasses.

>>376273626
I fell for the VGC meme back in the Gen V days. I regret it now, especially now that people can gen much more easily and compete without repercussions, as well that the 'rewards' for participating are more and more apparently meaningless. I've been revisiting a couple of RPGs I've skimmed over, and I sorta feel that the only thing Pokémon has going for it is its consistent battle system. BW definitely was the peak in terms of storytelling in mainline, but while it's not quite as good as other similar RPGs, I think GF is really forgoing the whole experience since then to cater to newcomers and casuals who just want to get into the series, and dumb everything else down in the process.

>>376268149
EZ gen 6.
I bought X, and then bought omega ruby just because my friends were playing it.
Omega ruby is the last pokemon game i bought because of how piss poor easy everything was. shit took 4 days to finish in my spare time, and i barely remember anything about it other than zinnia's theme and rayquaza. that's it. X was a HUGE letdown as well with only 3 days to complete in my spare time. and i'll tell you NOTHING was memeorable from that game other than the fact that you can customize your characters and shit. My friend Max got Sun and Moon and I played it on his 3DS once and a while, as well as watching youtube videos on the game. its probaby one of the worst pokemon games released, the first being X and Y due to it being the identical pokemon formula but replacing gym leaders with champions or whatever they're called and shit doesn't change much at all.

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>>376268149
Gen II is definitely my favorite, but B2W2 was the best the series has ever been.

I've been a big fan of Pokemon since day 1, but I decided to stop playing after XY. I really wanted to like it, but there were so many things I hated about the game that I couldn't bring myself to get past the Fairy gym. Though I think my biggest reason for dropping the franchise is the change in artstyle/aesthetic. I really don't like the round, cartoonish look that a lot of the new Pokemon have. I just don't like the "Pokemon world" anymore.

>>376268149
Gen 5 honestly (but i also think it dropped in Gen 3 and rose with the remakes)
I'm hoping the Gen 4 remakes pull the series back up, i wanna love pokemon again

>>376273908
>playing the same game over and over and over but with more side-quests added each time
What are you even talking about?

>>376272949
>I refuse to learn the game so its bad

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>No hard mode
>No following Pokemon (Something Digimon and Yokai Watch did years ago)
>Linear as fuck
>Not a single character in the entire franchise worth giving a fuck about because everyone is made to be as bland and disposable as possible
>Not non-pokemon bosses
>And slightly interesting side content is quickly scrapped next game
>still uses 1v1 by default despite it being the most worthless and shallow form of RPG battles ever

Pokemon is a concept with near infinite potential yet they do almost nothing with it. How is this acceptable? It's so disgusting soulless

>>376274348
gym leaders -> elite 4 -> you win

gym leaders -> some more gym leaders -> elite 4 -> you win

etc.

each game followed the same basic format. I had no interest in "catching em all" or doing any of the sidequests or side-events.

Peaked with Emerald, burned out on Diamond. Gave it another try with X, but the magic's gone for me.

>>376274345
Sinnoh is too shit a region to save it.

>>376268149
It's still ok.
They just need to stop with that tutorial bullshit of dragging the character around.
It's like Gary Oak, but 100 times worse.

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>>376272289
Lilligant

>>376274468
Just out of curiosity, you do realize that SM are nothing like that, right?

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>>376272289
BOI

>>376274468
yeah this. they can replace the formula's names with whatever as many times as they want. but just adding cutscenes and more pokemon doesn't change shit

>>376274524
>hurrr trial leaders are totally different

no

>>376274482
Try SM, they've got the magic back.

>>376273394
That's not what I said though. At all. Are you retarded?

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>>376272289

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>>376274602
hahaha no

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>>376274595
I mean, they are. You'd have to be retarded to argue that since you don't even battle the trial leaders in most cases, you battle in a 2v1 against multiple Pokemon.

It makes you look out of touch with the series you're commenting on.

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>>376272289
Gengar is the best
>>376274246
>Before it was Gengar
fuck you and that sperm covered fetus

>>376274524
Not who you're replying to, but
>Area-based progression > plot > more progression > climax > elite four > roll credits
Same structure.

>>376268149
Gen 2 for me. I've tried several times to get back into the main games, but to no avail. It just feels like I'm playing the same game over and over again.

Nowadays I just collect eeveelution cards and play the spinoff games.

>>376274602
SM are some of the worst Pokemon games I've ever played.

>>376274812
What is it you want for Pokemon to do? That's a pretty common progression in most games. Do you want to make it full open world or something?

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>>376272289
Always has been.

Gen 2 peaked
Gen 4 it died, at that point it felt like fans could make more complex games than gf was willing to put effort into

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>>376274394
Because its autistic adult fanbase will buy it without fail every single time and the casuals will bite if they throw in Charizard or something Gen 1 related. The franchise will never progress to anything interesting as long as the original fans are still around in a large enough number. Next decade, when many of the people will be in their thirties and probably won't even care about the nostalgia anymore, will probably be when Game Freak is forced to change the formula.

Until then, enjoy your bland games, their third versions and remakes of games that already play the same as the current ones.

>>376274718
They're literally identical
>do gym/trial gimmick
>fight boss

The difference is cosmetic at best. The fact that a slight presentation change makes you lose your shit really reflects how brainwashed you pokefags are

>>376274273
>I swear I'm not autistic!
>Y-you don't even play Pokemon
Keep that delusion going.

>>376274870
An open world game is exactly what Pokémon needs now. It worked magnificently for Zelda.

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>>376274718
>adding more pokemon
>endgame is still battle this and unlock blah!
>somehow still different
adding pokemon "bosses" did absolutely nothing due to the fact that gym leaders were in short just bosses in the first place.

>>376274969
But you're the one losing your shit. You're butthurt over a series you don't play and know nothing about.

>>376269302
this rating is completely correct except ORAS belongs in trash tier

>>376275053
>deflect!
>deflect!
>Must protect rehash at all costs

Exactly.

>>376274985
Do you play pokemon then? Wouldn't that make you autistic, by your own standards?

>>376275053
>know nothing about
>yes i don't know what reading comprehension is!
im not even that guy but you're fuckign retarded mate. go back toe >>>/vp/

>>376268149
too bad the porn parody was meh, pocket gal hunter coulda been great if they hadn't focused on ntr and meh animation quality

>>376274870
Different motivations other than
>le regional champion meme
I don't know? Colosseum/XD as well as the first few MD games were pretty good uses of the franchise's potential, but it's too bad mainline has to stay adherent to the exact same formula.

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>>376274894
>it felt like fans could make more complex games than gf was willing to put effort into
Haha y-yea, it only feels that way. Certainly it isn't true though!

>>376274838
Nope. SM got the magic back. You're just a shit-eating contrarian.

>>376275134
I skipped Sun and Moon and have yet to finish BW1 or 2.

I'm not calling Pokemon autistic, anyway. I'm saying breeding is.

>>376275118
Am I supposed to debate you on the differences between gyms and trials? You're convinced Pokemon is a rehash series.

>>376274870
Yokai Watch
Digimon Story
Dragon Quest Monsters
SMT

These are all monster raising games that are fantastic despite not having GYMS

>>376274769
>fuck you and that sperm covered fetus
Hey, nothing wrong with psychic jellys and Gengar is still good too.
Though what's your opinion on Gengar's Mega?

Peak was definitely gen 5. Death was rather ORAS or Sun and Moon. Probably the latter. Fucking horrible games.

I didn't even think it was possible to make Pokemon more rail roaded and linear but they actually did it, the absolute madmen.

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>this is the latest design quality
>this is a yeti crab
fucking hell are they fucking blind?
>inb4 genwunner get out my thread reeee

>>376275267
>Must change the focus to HIM! HE is the problem! Pokemon is PERFECT! It's not my poor franchise's fault! MUST DEFLECT

Exactly.

>>376275275
I played Yokai Watch 1 and it was not fucking fantastic. DQM used random worlds and had pretty glacial pacing. And SMT is even more restricted in terms of area progression.

I get what you're saying, but people just arguing change for the sake of change seem a little misguided.

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>>376275295
fuck those little ass legs. I wish they didn't have to make him a complete V shape like its haunter and hid some of his design in the floor.

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>>376275370
I feel bad for you and your damaged brain, so have a picture of May.

>>376275267
Still not the same anon.
Mechanically different, functionally the same.
The latter is a slightly-more fleshed out version of the former.
Have a (You).

>>376275370
((((you))))

>>376275343
god the pre evo was so much better, wish it was a standalone

>>376275423
>I played Yokai Watch 1 and it was not fucking fantastic.

questionable Battle system aside the game's take on an "open world" and exploration was terrific. It also has easily over 100+ hours of side content. Not a perfect game but others CAN learn from it

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>>376275503
>doesn't support their claim
>you're retarded reee!
stop posting anytime!

>>376274524
>>376274718
Renaming the gyms to trails doesnt mean SM isnt like that. In fact, they are worse, since most trials have no puzzle, you just walk up and battless less pokemon than what you have in an average gym, and then a double battle.

>>376274602
>>376275218
They are mediocre at best and mediocre at worst. Average

>>376272478
>Like the anime
Jesus fuck no. That's the best way to kill it off.

>>376268149
Played the shit out of Gen Wun as a kid, played but never finished Gen II, haven't touched any gen after that. As far as I'm concerned, Gen I plus Stadium for management and the detailed encounter map is the pinnacle of the series.

>>376275503
>more deflection
>must act dismissive! I've been called out so must pretend I don't care and change the subject!
>GOTTA DUMP LEWD IMAGES TO DERAIL!

Typical pokefag

>>376268149
I still play the games when they release. Though the last game was pretty bad. Not necessarily design wise.

But I stay away from that whole "competitive" scene. Every team has like 4 or 5 of the same pokemon. Its more fun to go against the cpu with friends in tag team.

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>>376272289
I'm a faggot

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>>376275343
Eh. Crabominable is kind of meh, but Gen 7 easily has some of the best Pokémon designs to date.

gen 3. no memorable pokemon.

>>376273072
This

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>>376275745
Posting a single image isn't a dump, anon. You know as much about 4chan as you do about pokemon.

Please meme arrow me some more though

>>376275813
Fuck off waifufag

>>376268149
Gen 5, while there are many things I like and dislike about all the generations, I felt like it sort of dropped down a bit in it's storytelling and sense of adventure once X&Y came out. Competitive has gotten a little better though, IMO.

>>376275267
>>376275503
literally zero argument

>>376275880
That's kind of the point, yeah. Why argue?

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>>376275813
>pokemon from a different universe transcending the 6th dimension
>they're treated as just legendaries to catch
i fucking hate sumo

>>376275813
>Gen 7 easily has some of the best designs
True, but you didn't pick them aside from Vikavolt and Buzzwole. This picture tells me you're a waifufag that picked the Pokemon you like to fap to most.

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>>376275871
>>376275503

You'd never see SMTfags acting like this.

Can we all agree that Pokemon needs to fall under GR15?

Series never died for me, but gen 4 was when th3y juat started getting boring to me past the initial hype. I haven't replayed a game past gen 3 (though I think B2W2 is the best in the series). I tried with SoulSilver but got bored with it before I even got one badge.
Series needs some serious overhauls, otherwise I'm just gonna keep playing them once and then never touch them again.

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>>376275985
>You'd never see SMTfags acting like this.

>>376275993
>Series needs some serious overhauls, otherwise I'm just gonna keep buying them

Do you even hear yourself?

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>>376275958
>calls others retarded
>says claims without any actual evidence
>"why should i argue when i was arguing before like a 12 year old and failed?"
at least put your money where your mouth is you dumbass

>all these posts on Black and White 2 being the best
Should I give that game another chance after being completely disappointed with Black and White 1?

>>376274394
I mean Gen V had rotation and triple battles, and horde battles were introduced at some point though i dont recall when.

>>376275871
Jesus Christ how to tell that someone lost an argument 101

burnes out with generation 6 because of the extreme amount of linearity, handholding in addition to me being enough to have lost my childish wonder towards the series and figured out most of the mechanics. best gens for me were the first 3 because everythong was still a mystery, the 4th because it was a whoke new world and i just love sinnohs aesthetic, and gen 5 was just a good gen (albeit wth a lack of good early route mons for me outside of my usual sandile and scraggy). fuck gen 6. gen 7 is.. just good.

>>376275827
>no memorable pokemon
>the gen that gave us Blaziken, Aggron, Flygon, etc.
This has to be bait.

>>376275993
>Gen 4 was when they started getting boring
But Gen 4-5 is golden age pokemon.

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>>376272289
I want to ____ Gardevoire.

>>376274503
Sinnoh is a great region.

>>376276145
>I mean Gen V had
>HAD

This is the kind of shit that shouldn't be allowed. Why does it need to be HAD? Why do we let Gamefreak lazily cut features?

>>376276156
blaziken is the only one of those 3 that i can picture in my head and it was a fucking gay chicken thing

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honestly, probably gen 5
I got through X/Y but can't remember it, and I didn't even finish S/M
I think the jump to 3D models killed it for me
I tend to play Yokai Watch more, Pokemon just doesn't snag my attention like it used to

>>376275958
You are going on about how anyone who disagrees is a retard who hasnt played the games and then just gave up

>>376276063
If most of the fans won't bother to boycott the games, then what's the point?

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>>376275871
>shit i was proven to be autistic better post waifufag photos and shrug it off!
pokefags are the worst. neck yourself

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>>376276206
entry level waifumon

>>376276105
What, my claim that trials are different from gyms? They are different. They serve a similar function, but claiming they're the same thing is silly.

What is there to argue further?

>>376268149
peak was gen 5, loved it.

Gen 6 was all around terrible, gen 7 is a little better but not enough to get me as excited as I once was.

>>376274969
>literally identical
>The difference is cosmetic at best
Factually incorrect. What you meant was that it's not enough of a change for you. Fighting 1v2s against buffed Pokemon and having trial gimmicks that are noticeably different from gym gimmicks is enough for most people, but I guess it's not that much of a difference from gym stuff if you boil down everything to just "do this then do that."

>>376276206
I want to fuck gardevoir(male)

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>>376275813
Gen 7 certainly has some of the most creative and interesting designs but you picked some poor choices to appeal to /v/ aside from the bugs.

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>>376276254

Yokai Watch is so refreshing compared to how fucking stale Pokemon is. I really hope they bring 3 to the west because it looks like they improved that battle system

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>>376272289
Tsareena

>>376276115

It's a meme. It loses everything special about the previous games in exchange for some minor additions.

>>376276343
>still gathers claims without any actual evidence
prove my point further idiot

>>376276476
>It loses everything special about the previous games
Such as?

BW2 are unironically two of the strongest games in the series.

You can only play something so much until you get tired of it. Eating your favorite food everyday for a week straight etc.

that's what XY did though.

>>376276353
>Fighting 1v2s against buffed Pokemon

Which is just easier then a real gym battle since you can just spam Z moves and mutli target attacks

> and having trial gimmicks

GYMS have always had gimmicks

>>376276231
I agree completely. I don't understand why unique gameplay features are gen/region specific.

How to fix Pokemon:

- Condense the total Pokemon lineup by removing the trash and keeping the best ones via vote.
- Open world formula; enemy trainers scale based off of your team's level. Gym leaders scale based on how many badges you've collected thus far so you can tackle them in any order.
- Bigger focus on exploration; Your Pokemon help you traverse areas using their innate abilities (scaling cliffs, putting wild Pokemon to sleep to avoid battle, helping prepare food to heal party, riding on one through a field, etc.)
- Real time battle system. Players give basic commands (get close, pull back, defensive stance, dodge, etc) as well as the traditional moves.
- Pokemon can learn as many moves as they want, but can only equip so many at a time for battle.
- Pokemon are more customization. More natural variations found in the wild (size differences, coat/fur patterns, coloration, etc.) in addition to breeding allowing the player to create additional variations not found in the wild.

>>376276537
What would you like me to do? I'm objectively right and I honestly don't care about proving my point any further.

>>376276231
It's really strange, Gamefreak often throws in some good features in one generation and then just forgets them completely in later games. It's probably one of the biggest reasons to why we'll never get a perfect pokemon game because you'll always have each generation being good at a few things but never at everything.

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Pokemon Platinum and the first BW games were the best.

They had a good balance between gameplay and story, Platinum a lot more than BW, but both of them are leagues above B2W2 for one simple reason: while both have the obligatory cutscene every now and then, the sequels fucking stop you at every five fucking minutes to showcase something or another DURING THE MAIN GAME. A lot of it is prime postgame content but jesus fucking christ the game will not fucking SHUT UP about it. There is no sense of discovering something neat because literally every single fucking city will stop you for ten whole minutes to showcase a new feature that is pretty neat but don't fucking force me to go in there before I can do anything else, jesus.

B2W2 until now are the games trying to push too much story which isn't bad, but the way they are doing it detracts from the gameplay and exploration and such which is where pokemon shines. Yes, more story and better writing is always nice but being able to play is better.

the lowest point was XY, and it picked back up with Sun and Moon. Still the cutscene problems but they are better anyway.

tl;dr: B2W2 are overrated, Platinum and BW is where it is fucking at. Come the fuck at me.

>>376276476
>>376276583

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>>376276417
>poor choices
>implying Salazzle isn't one of the best designed Gen 7 mons

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>>376276623
>I'm objectively right
omfg this has got to be bait

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>>376276608
>how to fix pokemon
>remove pokemon I don't like

This is why /vp/ laughs at your opinions, /v/

>>376276717
Cyber Sleuth did it and it's better then every Pokemon game

>>376276705
Explain to me how I'm wrong, then. Burden of proof is on you here.

>>376276608
>keeping the best ones via vote
the lineup would be cringeworthy as fuck

>>376276623
>I'm objectively right

Pokefags are the new ponyfags

>>376276623
>>376276537
Both of (you) do the genepool and everyone else a favor and neck yourselves so the rest of us can have a nice discussion

>>376276597
>Which is just easier then a real gym battle since you can just spam Z moves and mutli target attacks
The helper Pokemon respawns, and most people don't have strong multi-targeting moves when they're running through the story. On top of that, a good portion of the Totem Pokemon can actually survive a z-move, let alone a weakened spread move, unless you did a ridiculous amount of grinding even with exp.share on. And on top of that, you have to get the z-crystals from beating the trials in the first place, so it's hardly guaranteed that you'll even have a good z-move to use. I'm not saying it was something totally revolutionary or that it was the coolest thing ever but at least it tried to do something new.

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>>376276443
actually, some yokai from 3 got their names localized, and the same team that localized the game made a remark about localizing 3's yokai so it seems like we have a good shot of getting it here

>>376276717
Hence why it would have to be a vote done internally or through the fans. They have 800+ Pokemon now, which is detrimental for game development. It's all about quality over quantity.

>>376268149
Probably SM. All of the other games have their ups and downs (some more than others) but I found SM to be revolting

>>376276656
>shits on B2W2 for too much story but praises BW for having a good story to gameplay balance
Are you sure you aren't mixing those two up because BW had too much story and cutscenes.

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>>376276801
>go somewhere
>whoah its a boss pokemon that is hard to defeat and is bigger than the other!
>defeat it
>whoah now u unlock thing in game whoah!
previous gens
>go to gym
>whoah gym guy has strong pokemon whoah!
>defeat them
>whoah now you unlock thing!
>somehow these two are COMPLETELY different and REFRESHING!
also nice way to deflect even though we gave you multiple chances to argue instead of spouting like an autistic chicken

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>>376275503
>>376275871

How does it feel, faggot? You thought you were gonna get a free pass by posting "MUH LOOD WAIFUS" but nope.

Goddamn I love it when /v/ collectively blows some cunt the fuck out

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>>376276993
Yeah people loved having pokemon missing from RS, you're so right. What a great feature for the games!

You realize that not every Pokemon is in every game, right?

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>>376276717
>this is why a containment board laughs at you
wew

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>>376272289

Been my best nigga since Gen 4

That 130 defense gave a fucking grass type some unparalled bulk that I didn't expect. Too bad about the HP though, but 110 attk made it great

>>376276971
>made a remark about localizing 3's yokai

sauce?

>>376268149
Gen 5.

>>376277075
>How does it feel, faggot?
Fine? I'm right and you seem mad.

>>376277049
That's a pretty big simplification.

>>376277174
fine. unsimplify it for me

>>376276945
>a good portion of the Totem Pokemon can actually survive a z-move

So.. what? You think a battle is "hard" because it lasts more then a single turn? You retarded?

>>376277226
Why?

>>376277249
Did I say it was hard? I thought we were debating on whether it was different.

>>376277174
>I-I'm fine!

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>>376276443
oh another variant of the wacky cat! My favorite!

>>376277249
Nobody is arguing difficulty, people are saying they're different than gyms.

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>>376277174
How is it a simplification? Trials are renamed gyms, they offer nothing truly different beyond the call mechanic. They both have shitty puzzles, a few battles before the totem mon/gym leader, and award you with some trinket once you finish it (Z-crystal, TMs).

>>376277087
But they're still fully coded into every game. I don't think you understand the point: The games aren't going to deviate/innovate from the current formula much if they have to include 800+ and growing Pokemon every single time.

>>376277281
to prove your point. if you're gonna include a claim, evidence comes after. nigga have you passed elementary school? stop posting already

>>376268149
Gen 2 was the peak, not that the other games aren't good but Gen 2 was more revolutionary while later games are more refinements. Gen 6 and Gen 7 are tied for killing the series for me, I really think 3D was a mistake.

>>376277295
The point is that it's not different. It's just a fuckton easier because you only gotta quickly OHKO a single pokemon instead of 6

The most fun I ever had with the series WITHOUT nostalgia goggles was Black and White 2. But that enjoyment is nothing compared to when I first played Blue version and later Gold with my older brother and some of his friends.

>>376269302
Is mostly correct, but I would put Red, Blue and Yellow in B tier. Though they're messy by todays standards, the games don't take that long to start up and the glitches are incredibly fun and add a few extra hours to the game.
I would also move ORAS down to C tier and Emerald to an A- Tier.

>>376277384
The pokemon are buffed with status effects as well.

I mean, they're both boss fights, but they are handled differently. I'm not sure how you'd suggest Pokemon do bosses in a different way.

>>376277379
>people are saying they're different than gyms.

But they aren't outside of cosmetics

>>376277383
>BW still below BW2
>XY that high
>SM that high
>DP that high
this isn't fixed at all.

>>376277509
And battle mechanics.

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>>376277501
>y. I'm not sure how you'd suggest Pokemon do bosses in a different way.
do you even know what you just typed???

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>>376277383
>xy better than oras
its an improvement on every level anon. still no emerald, but that just speaks to the quality of xy, or lack there of

>>376277326
Jibanyan is pretty much the face of the monster catching genre so it's expected he'd get lots of variants.

Better then just reskinning the same handful of Gen1 pokemon 30+ times

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>>376277174
>you will never be as BTFO as this faggot
It's fine, just admit you'er a retard. It's an anonymous imageboard, nobody knows who you are.

>>376277413
I like the aesthetics of Gen 7 a lot, and though I still prefer sprites, I'm okay with how the series looks.
Gen 6 looked awful on release and it only looks worse now.

>>376277501
They're buffed with what are essentially nerfed X-items. Some gym leaders still do that while also throwing potions at their Pokemon so imo it's a moot point.
>I'm not sure how you'd suggest Pokemon do bosses in a different way
I don't know either because trials and gyms are essentially the same thing. I personally don't mind either one but they are pretty much the same shit with a different coat of paint.

>>376277605
How should Pokemon handle bosses in a way that is different from gyms and trials?

>>376277589
>OHKO gym pokemon 6 times
>win
>OHKO a single totem pokemon
>win

No difference

>>376277383
>emerald and platinum are on the HSSS level
HAH! you're fucking hilarious.
now put that shit back in the A tier cunt

>>376277036

Before you reach the main region in B2W2 you get:

-Detoured into battling two toddlers by Alder not even ten steps after finishin the very basic tutorial
-Detoured into going looking for stoutland in some bumfuck ranch to deal with a plasma grunt
-Detoured from going to the gym to go look at pokestar studios

Mind you, that is in the first thirty minutes of playing, or would be if those things didn't take so damn long. And it never stops. Railroading through EVERY city, throughout the entire game.

In BW you get a slow ass start with the team plasma speech in the second city, sure, but then they leave you the fuck alone until you get to the first gym and even then it's not an immediate cutscene, you can dick around and explore as much as you want until you find Cut and go in the dream chasm. Then they leave you the fuck along again until you're just about to enter the second gym. You get cutscenes but they're more tasteful about it and space them out more.

>>376277706
By this logic every Pokemon battle is a rehash.

It never hit a point where it was incredible, but gen 4 did the least wrong.

Gen 5 was just a fucking disaster in every aspect.

>>376276608
Everything except the first thing is good.

>>376277427
>you only gotta quickly OHKO a single pokemon instead of 6
You're simplifying it down to only battle mechanics. Besides the fact that getting to the boss fight is mostly different, it's practically impossible to OHKO a Totem if you're progressing normally. The ghost trial is especially evident of this.

How long until someone makes a "Pokemon: No-bullshit edition"

It would just be a hacked version of Black and White 1 or 2 with Drayono's changes + all cut scenes removed and text speed automatic.

>>376277780
That's not a wrong statement though

>>376277687
Yokai Watch has bosses that you need to target specific body parts to stun and harm them

Digimon has non-digimon monsters that hide their stats, weaknesses, and health

Fucking pick one

It peaked at for me Gen V and died at Gen VII. I couldn't even finish Sun.

I thought I was gonna like a Pokemon game that didn't focus on gyms, but the Kahunas were the same damn thing. I can't remember the last time being so underwhelmed.

>>376276659
>-to appeal to /v/
/v/ hates waifumons and a female only "harem" lizard falls into that for many. I agree Salazzle is very creative and well done, but not for the /v/ audience.

>>376277729
You totally forgot about your rivals interrupting you and forcing you into the cave, and then the following sidequest with the forest. And then the following sidequest in the city.

>>376277632
Why would I admit to being anything other than right?

>>376269863
>the gyms were varied and themed
I will never fucking understand saying this to defend gen 5. Pokemon has had varied and themed gyms since gen 1.

>>376277815
>You're simplifying it down to only battle mechanics.

Yeah in the end pokemon just has shitty shallow gameplay all around

>it's practically impossible to OHKO a Totem

lol

>>376277687
with more creativity other than Bosses with another set of clothing.
maybe non pokemon bosses to fight.
also i think its about time you explained your retarded opinion on how its different in a way