Can we all agree the first one is superior?

even the guy that made the fucking game wouldn't agree with you

Music, story and banter in 1 is superior

I did like the bosses better desu

>>376262206
Nier Automata music is fucking shit with the only standout track being the Amusement park. It's shameful

>titled Nier Automata
>Nier isn't in the game

>>376261971
never played it

I never noticed that isn't a cube but a book following him, and there's pair of eyes on the bottom of the image.

Never played the game.

Everything is better in 1 except combat.

>>376261971
Eh

>>376262957
Even then the first game has way better bullethell segments

>>376261971
>2 robots dealing with the existential hold of what it truely means to be human in a world of uselessness

Vs

>muh daughter

Yeah great comparison.

>>376261971
No.

Nier COULD be the better game if it got a gameplay facelift. That's not to say Automata is perfect, (the level scaling and difficulty are very poorly thought out), but Nier plays like weeks old dogshite.

>>376261971
The original had better writing. You really felt the lack of Sawako Natori in Automata.

>>376261971
Interesting that you decided to make this thread just as the sequel became available to pirates.

>>376265728
The original has been available to pirates for years.
>he doesn't have cfw on his ps3

>>376261971
if you say no you're most likely a PC peasant who never got to play it anyway

I love the first and never played the second one.

Honestly all of the promotional stuff turned me off. It really just looks like a Platinum game about some sexy robot girl fighting other robots. I was really immersed in Nier's weird post apocalyptic magic world. I don't really find robot Bayoneta that appealing.

Am I misjudging it? Should I, as a fan of the first game, be interested in Automata? Or is it really for a different audience?

>>376265823
Emil shows up but he is just a merchant otherwise the game has no connection to old nier game

>>376265823
its probably the best sequel to a game I've ever played.

>>376265823
>Judging a Taro game by the cover
You should know better than this.

>>376265928
It has a bunch of other connections, that's just the most obvious one.

>>376265947
Not just the cover, but the trailer and demo too. I just want to know if at some point the game ever feels like Nier.

>>376261971
Nope. As much as I adore it, I liked Automata better overall.

>>376266091
It doesn't

>>376265928
>Emil shows up but he is just a merchant
>just a merchant
Sounds like you didn't do his side quest.

>>376266091
It does.

>>376264740
>2 robots who have almost little to no personality other than autistically shrieking whenever the other gets hurt

vs

>a unique and memorable cast that all work well together, and are more likeable and relateable 5 minutes in than 2B and 9S are the whole game

Remember kids, it's not what your story is about that makes it good, but how it's told. Automata may be the more ambitious game plotwise, but Nier's storytelling blows it out of the water.

I have it and still haven't played it. Thinking of just selling it since it's got the super inflated hype price still.

>>376266389
That's not the storytelling you're criticizing there though, that's the characters.

>>376261971
Kindly stop being a contarian fuck head

>>376266508
The fact that Automata needed a stageplay, a concert, a world guide, and two novellas to just barely flesh out its world and characters should say enough

>>376266673
The game is able to stand alone without those just like Nier works without everything in grimoire Nier.

I think even Yoko Taro knew it was impossible to make a game as good as the original Nier which is why he did a 180 on everything.
Automata is still great but it just can't compare to Nier

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>>376261971
Yes, the first one is superior.

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>>376261971
Gameplay has a feel and uniqueness to it, better than mash buttan all combo rook same tryhard dmc of Automata

Weiss is considerably more interesting as a character than basically the entirety of Automata's story, and a far cooler combat companion that retardo gunpods

The music was better in the first one. The story was better. It felt more unique.

Automata literally survives on fapbait pandering fanservice

The first Nier was much better.

>>376267009
>Gameplay has a feel and uniqueness to it
Yeah, clunky.

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>>376261971
>TFW nothing in Autoamta came close to the scene with Beepy and Kamil

Its not even Zelda cycle, Nier 1 actually is better

Just like it was better than Drakengard 3

>>376266919
2 was better

>>376267325
But that's not hard, Drakengard 1, 2, and 3 were all literally shit tier games with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

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>>376261971
Papa Nier is my favorite protagonist.
Both games are superior to the other in different aspects, though.

>>376267362
Is 2 canon? I haven't played it but never hear people talk about it and know Taro's involvement was very minimal with it.

>>376267190
Strange how Weiss magic feels considerably more fluid than anything in Automata.

Almost like you're shitposting! But why would you do that?

>>376267413
Even if it was canon, it's in a different timeline than the rest of the series because it doesn't take place after Ending E of Drakengard 1.

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>>376267325
This

Nier > 3 > Automata > 1 > 2

>>376267413
It's canon but it is it's own separate universe outside the official timeline.

>>376261971
>better cast
>better music
>better story
>better use of camera changes
>worse combat

Yes, it was a better game overall. Also, the combat in Automata isn't as good as I hoped it'd be. It's actually really fucking boring imo.

Automata dropped the ball when it came to bosses, especially Adam and Eve. One thing Nier did better was that the enemy backstories and the way they are played out is better.

Like seeing Beepy and Kamil's interactions as opposed to a simple little picture book story about a baby monsters being dropped in the sea.

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>Want to buy this game
>$45 for a 7 year old game

>>376261971
someone summarize Nier for me.

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>>376267401
They have wild rides in terms of story. real good to watch not to play

>>376267650
>Also, the combat in Automata isn't as good as I hoped it'd be.
Yup, the entire game was mashing Square against enemies that were just damage sponges. The Hegel boss fight is one of the worst I've ever experience in a video game, compared to the first Nier which had fucking GOAT bosses like Wendy and the Shadowlord.

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The only problem with Automata is that they called it a Nier game when it has almost nothing to do with the original Nier game and absolutely nothing to do with the titular character Nier himself

Like if Luigi's Mansion was called Super Mario World 3 Luigi's Mansion

All of automatas differences could have survived on their own as it's own titled game instead of needlessly being called "Nier", but because it didn't, it has devalued what Automata could have been along with devaluing what the original Nier was.

>>376267593
>3 over Automata

Explain

>>376267776
A father goes on a long journey and destroys humanity forever just to save his daughter.

>>376266673
Please, the first Nier had the same issues, with the lore scattered in Grimoire Nier and Drakengard and audio dramas.

>>376267889
>when it has almost nothing to do with the original Nier game
The whole premise of the game is a result of the events of Nier.

>>376262308
>titled Nier
>you don't have to name your main character Nier

>>376267889
I would actually watch that movie.

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>>376267897
I found Zero, Dito and Ogra more interesting characters than 2b and 9s. We also have best girl in 3
>bu...bu but muh gameplay
Everyone knows you don't play a taro game for the gameplay

>>376261971
No because Automata didn't make me farm black pearls and eagle eggs for 10 hours so that alone makes it better

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>>376267776
Things could've gone better.

>>376265823
I think once you get past all the sexy android girls (and admittedly there are a lot of them), you'd really like it

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>tfw the twist doesn't mean shit to you because you listened to the drama cds and already knew that humans were dead

>>376262308
It is a Nier game though

Nier = Reject in French

Rejecting Automata (programming) is pretty much the core of the game

Just like Nier Gestalt is basically rejecting the original

>>376261971
Yes, the only people who will disagree are pc cucks

>>376267889
Not really. There's a very deliberate reason humans are gone and the title character's prior actions are the root of it.

>>376268025
how is the movie anyway?

>>376267942
There is a difference between lore, which only adds to the world, and having a characters backstory and motivations hidden in side material not featured in the game. The fact that you have to read the two novellas to not make 2E/9S not contrived bullshit is laughable

>>376267413
2 is the only Drakengard with a happy ending so far, it's also the furthest in the DoD timeline

It sucks to think that all this awesome DoD shit already ends well despite all the side games and prequels

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>>376261971

>>376262140
This, otherwise I like Automata more. But they're so different its stupid to pit them against each other.

>>376268328
This I cant take their so called romance seriously because the game does bare minimum to even make it valid

>>376267923
sounds like the last of us.

I like both games, but I dislike 2B like crazy. 9S is much better.

>>376268320
we wuz scientist n shit

>>376268328
>The fact that you have to read the two novellas
What are these novellas you speak of?

>>376267983

Alien invasion thousands of years after Nier.

really how is that actually related. Replace devola popola and emil and it is explicitly and entirely different and unrelated game.

>>376267495
>Calling Nier's gameplay clunky is shitposting now
You've gone full hipster.

>>376268063
True but 3 is actually fucking shit and becomes borderline unplayable with the crap combat and terrible framerate. If you excuse that because you have a shit waifu from the game you should guzzle spunk like it's water in the desert and die.

>>376267889
It was done to give SE a reason to fund a Nier Remake using Platinum
It is all part of Taro's keikaku

>>376268328
But you pretty much have to read all the side material to the first Nier to understand Taro's dumpster fire of writing. Finishing Nier pretty much demands a visit to a wiki.

>>376262282
CONTRARIAN
AS
FUCK

>>376265437
Oh I definitely noticed.

>>376268197
Rejeter = Reject in french
Nier would be more like deny

>>376268193
Are you talking about Automata's twist?

You could've known that if you played the first Nier. It was very obvious that humans were not on the moon.

>>376261971
I've only played this one before it became a meme and it's probably the worst game I tried to enjoy

>>376268570
Ah, there we go, thanks.

>>376265823
Its like the Diebuster to NieR's Gunbuster.

I am getting a game tomorrow. I know this topic has been done to death but Nier or Persona? My video game preferences mean I'd probably enjoy either, so which is better?

>>376268447
Yep, just taken to anime levels which people fawn over because they're weeaboos. Also Automata ending E is the same thing as Undertale's ending.

no one here would ever admit that though.

>>376261971
if by one you mean Drakengard, then yes.
Based Caim

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>>376268661
nier

>>376268661
Persona

>>376268661
As a fan of both I say persona based on how much time it offers vs nier. Persona 5 gave me 90 hours on my first playthrough

>>376268483
How about the fact that Nier wiped mankind out at the end of the first game influencing all the shit that happens in this game.
>Replace devola popola and emil
Their backstories are relevant to their actions in this game, you couldn't just replace them with different characters.

>>376261971
i was shilling for the first nier long before the shitty second one came out and everyone dick ride it

Nier was far better in terms of story, themes, music and characters


Automata had better gameplay

However, with the main point of a game being to have good gameplay, Automata is quite a bit closer to OG Nier than I thought.

Nier will always have a place in my heart, and Automata will always be a great game, but I don't think anything will impact me the way Nier did.

>>376268447
>>376268691
Nier did Last of Us Better before TLOU was even made.

Undertale took a shitload from Nier so its a funny meme cycle that Automata lifts its ending

>>376268691
>Also Automata ending E is the same thing as Undertale's ending.
I keep seeing people saying this, how are they the same?

>>376268483
Did you actually play the game anon? Its cracked now so you can play it. Play it then come back before trying to argue.

>>376261971
No, I like Automata better but I also like Drakengard 3 better and think the only good thing in the first Drakengard is the music so I'm for sure in the minority

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>>376268661
Assuming you mean Nier Automata.
If you haven't played Nier, get Persona.
If you have played Nier (through ending D), get Automata.

I love Automata, but I really don't agree with the consensus that you can properly experience it without playing the first game.
It makes me physically ill that people can go to Emil's place under the shopping center without having played Nier. Or god forbid the end of his quest ISN'T THAT RIGHT KAINE?
It makes me equally sick people can get to the part where the twins help you fight and Song of the Ancients starts playing without playing Nier

>>376268974
>Drakengard
>Good music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et8Rw01LvzI

>>376262308
>Nier isn't in the game
Red Girl/N2 is Nier's gestalt data uploaded to the network

>>376269103
Thats one of the best songs homie

Drakengard 1 is my favorite Taro game so I'll always shill it

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>>376268691
Of course weebs would take the apocalyptic melodrama that is the Nier ending over the brutal and human Last of Us ending, they love things that take place completely outside of reality because they themselves feel they don't have a place within it.

>>376269103
Yeah it's great
My favorite is the desert ground theme

>>376269167
but that's just at theory

>>376267664
Adam and Eve felt like basic throwaway platinum characters. Designed to be met in a bossfight and nothing more.

That's not to say that platinum doesn't make good characters but everything about these guys was stilted, unfulfilling and even more trite than usual.

I guess it's kind of appropriate for people that only existed for a few weeks. It felt like there should have been more interactions with them.

>>376268193
Did anyone playing Automata not predict humanity was dead along? It was kinda obvious even if you didn't play the first one.

>>376269332
They have whats arguably the best somg in the game but they do absolutely nothing of note, its so weird.

>>376268661
persona

>people saying that Automata has better music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUn-kezLzeY

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>>376269219
whoa anon, weeaboos committing suicide due to exposure to the truth imminent

>>376269465
The first Nier for sure has better music but I think Automata's soundtrack is still good

>>376268874
>music
Nah. I love Emil Sacrifice/Karma, Kaine Escape/Salvation, and Song of the Ancients as much as everyone else but Automata's OST is much deeper.

>>376269050
Man that shit with Devolapopola being reprogrammed to always feel guilty or fuck, all of the backstory there really made me not give a fuck about the Androids.

>>376269167
>Red Girl/N2 is Nier's gestalt data uploaded to the network
Not just that, she was made of data about Project Gestalt too so she's not really him.

>>376269320
Jackass's report straight up says that.
Traces of information regarding human memories from the quantum server of the old model were discovered, indicating that it had integrated them during the final stages of its growth process. Said server contained a record of the discarded "Project Gestalt," as well as information on the human who was the first successful example of the Gestalt process.

>>376269465
>>376269535
Theyre equal IMO, Okabe did his job.

>>376269465
the literal worst song in the entire game

I thought the cast of Automata was fucking hot garbage, so I like the first one more.

>>376269737
well they're still hot

>>376269465
I fucking love NieR's OST, but maybe after listening to it for like 7 years, it's more refreshing to listen to Automata's.

It's just as good, but saying one of them is better than the other is difficult.

>>376269737
9S is great

>>376269219
Last of Us ending was shit, and I'm not even a weeb, the fuck are you talking about

>>376266919
Nier/Automata is the only decent part of the Drakengard franchise

>>376269842
then you prove you simply do not carry the necessary sensibilities to appreciate anything of value

>>376268413
Literally sit a normie in front of FF7 and ask them to rate it, you'll get a similar rating

>>376269465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1CjxQXXA7o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjiOUsRmGBc

>>376269932
Drakengard is the quintessential Taro game but whatever dude.

Imo you dont even "get" his style without playing DoD1, its like trying to understand MGS without playing the first one.

>>376268661
PersoNier Fiveomata

>>376269615
>Okabe does all the music xDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9gCzbqgZVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b5ZbUhNtvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YChAFjxks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9rshXMEKsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQuHwqMcN8w
All these songs were done by Hoashi and they're fucking god tier, MONACA is more than Okabe.

>>376270156
Thanks for the info

>>376270091
Metal Gear on the MSX is fucking terrible.

>>376270525
I meant MGS1

>>376270156
last 2 are strongest

>>376267783
Anyone got that Caim image?

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>>376261971
Nah. Original NieR's gameplay is much worse. And I don't just mean the combat, I mean the kinesthetics, the exploration, the enemy design, the structure, the sidequests, the pacing, etc. NieR also has inferior endings. Automata adds a fair amount of content to B, and C/D are a whole new scenario (though with a lot of assets reused). NieR's ending B is literally the second half over again except with added plot. Yes Kaine's story is great, but the actual gameplay is completely unchanged, the only upside is that you kill enemies so fast (because lol no level scaling) that you can get through everything faster. NieR's ending C is even lazier, it's ending B except with an added boss and a binary choice. They might as well have just merged B and C together. And god help you if you're crazy enough to redo the whole game just for ending D, I was sensible enough to just reload a save so I could see both choices.

As far as the story is concerned, while I did grow attached to NieR's central characters, the actual plot is full of holes. Namely, the shades and the Shadowlord are fucking retards. Have they never heard of something called "non-verbal communication"? It's not Nier's fault that 99% of the shades attack on sight and give very little indication that they're anything but hostile. It feels like Automata acknowledged this problem when they had that robot village wave white flags on your first visit. That's exactly the sort of shit the shades should have done. Also the story with the wolves fell flat for me because they were obnoxious fucking cunts in the first half, I had zero sympathy for them. Overall, I preferred Automata's story more, it handled its morally ambiguous conflict better and focused more on the existential.

Lastly, with the music, while as standalone OSTs I'd say they're about equal, Automata uses its music more effectively. It's hard to take Emil Sacrifice seriously when it's used in all the fucking "sad" cutscenes. And so on and so on.

Play DoD you fucking mongrels.

>>376270834
I would but I'm scared of how bad the gameplay will be, I'm told it's worse than NieR's.

>>376262282
its not often you see such a wrong opinion

>>376270759
Most of the shades were going mad because they had to be separate from their bodies for so long. That's why they kept ramping up their attacks.

>>376271061
Yeah so basically Nier did nothing wrong and the Shadowlord and Devola/Popola are big idiots. But the game expects you to feel sorry for them.

>>376270759
Automata handled gameplay better, Nier 1 everything else better, generally speaking.

Automata itself is full of spotty bullshit so far as structure, not all that different than the first game.

I wasnt too impressed with Automatas handling of its themes because it felt too preachy at times, at least the first game just played itself straight and let you feel it. (though it can feel overdone at times many people have issue with the wolves)

I think Drakengard 1 is the best with handling its theme overall though, it just plays it all out with no real filler or dead spots.

>>376270759
>Have they never heard of something called "non-verbal communication"

It seemed to me that Gestalt Nier either rejected the premise of Replicant sentience or just did not give a shit when it came to his daughter. The same way Replicant Nier didn't care.

Maybe pre-kidnapping there could have been a chance to reconcile things, but as the Villagers mention, Nier changed after that day, without his Yonah.

>>376271238
Everyone did everything wrong. It's idiotic to sit around pointing fingers when everyone is responsible for taking them down that path.

>>376271238
Its more about how each side did their vest for their own causes instead of being a pity party.

Ending B was /the/ ending for Nier.

>>376270156
>all the best new songs weren't made by Okabe
Damn
Did he at least remix song of the ancients and make possesed by disease?

>>376271251
>no real filler
Seere would like a word with you.

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>>376270759
It's not like any communication at all would reconcile the Gestalt/Replicant dilemma.
>hey sorry we don't want to fight, but you aren't actually a human and your body belongs to me who is actually a true human that had you made as a way for me to escape a virus so just let me have that back lol

>>376271505
And Manah gives it right back, without his angle you dont ever get to see how Manah became how she is

>>376271567
The folks over in the Aerie seemed pretty okay with it.

>>376268548
>Finishing Nier pretty much demands a visit to a wiki.
If you finish it once, yes.

>>376271567
How about Devola and Popola? Can anyone explain to me why they let Nier roam around and break things like a retard, and not tell him a single fucking thing until the very end with a document dump that Nier probably didn't even read?

>>376271238
There was no reconciliation to be had. The shadowlord wasn't going to continue if his Yonah could not be saved, and he saw only one path forward on that.

Devola and Popola stated it simply. Nier has his own motives and desires, and they have theirs.

>>376271698
There was a lot of
>WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE
lamentations going on.

>>376271489
He did the both of those, the Dark Colossus Destroys All rearrangements were done by Hoashi though.

If you want to see a full breakdown of the OST go here: http://vgmdb.net/album/65091.

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>>376270714
Here you go

>>376271819
>Possessed by Disease
So he's still responsible for the best song in the game. Everything about that song just blows me away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-o2EtUOtNg

>>376271770
The reasoning is pretty much the same. The expectation was that telling the Replicants about everything would be about the worst idea possible.

You want me to understand your sadness?

>>376271770
After Yonah was taken, he clearly set himself on an unstoppable Shade-genocide crusade.

There are a few times where they'll ask "are you sure" or have ellipses responses to Nier's violent inclinations during part 2.

They also may have planned for him to get strong, to make a better or more reliable host for the Shadowlord to reclaim. But then it backfired when Weiss remained a traitor and Nier got too powerful.

>>376262047

How is that an argument ? In many instances an artist's first creation was his best. That means they pretty much think their newer stuff is always their best when it's not. Creating a masterpiece doesn't mean you fully understand what made it great.

>>376271891
thanks

>>376272040
Yes Okabe did most of the soundtrack and his stuff was incredible my favorite being Birth of a Wish (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WDOaX6OHig). I was just pointing out to that one guy that Okabe did not do everything and MONACA is a group of people. Haoshi actually did the majority of Drakengard 3's OST for example.

>>376268832
the true ending of Nier is literally saving Kaine, and then the sequel is thousands of years later everyone is living on the moon and they send androids to earth to kill robot aliens.

Like holy shit it takes serious mental gymnastics to tie these two games together.

>>376272205
>They also may have planned for him to get strong, to make a better or more reliable host for the Shadowlord to reclaim. But then it backfired when Weiss remained a traitor and Nier got too powerful.
Why?? Wouldn't DevPop's goal be to have shadowlord kick the shit out of Nier and reclaim Weiss? They dont want him to get stronger.

>>376272649
Ok seriously, have you not played the game yet? Because it really seems like you haven't.

I found the inconsistencies between sidequest responses and character responses to the stories to be jarring.

You can go from 9S or 2B being sympathetic, empathetic or simply considerate of the idea of machine lifeform consciousness in a sidequest to them espousing the "just machines" lines with full confidence in a story mission. Or vice-versa.

I think it would have been fine if the statements stayed consistent throughout the main story quests, but both characters seemed to flipflop on a dime. Maybe that was the point.

>>376272649
So you called it quits at ending A?

>>376272649
>and then the sequel is thousands of years later everyone is living on the moon

I don't think you've fully played through either games.

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>>376272762
>>376272768
what the fuck is wrong with you desperate niggers. Seriously. It's okay and well enough to admit that these two games are entirely unrelated - about as unrelated as Nier was to Drakengard, and why Automata should have had it's own title altogether and probably replacing the 3% of effort that even attempts to connect Automata to Nier.

>>376272975
So that's a no then.

>>376266389
>Nier's storytelling blows it out of the water
Nier's story is flawed all over, which is kind of bad since as you've said other than the plain plot and it's message it's not very ambitious in terms of thematic, it's laid out in a more direct fashion.

The only really good parts of it were in the ending. The first "half" in general is meh at best and nothing very interesting happens as you're driven on by the highly-imaginative goal of gathering magical verses. Then you're tasked with the same imaginative task of gathering key parts, though this time at least more interesting shit happens on the way. It tries to foreshadow the Shades being human for the "reveal" at the end and playthrough B, but you figure it out immediately since they drop used coloring books, that mystery is gone pretty much as soon as the game starts. This "hint" is way too heavy handed and hurts the story overall. The whole Beepy/Junk Heap part was just forced and the wolves' anguish over meeting with violence is kind of ridiculous when they immediately hunt your ass down the moment you first see one, despite you not attacking them. Nier as a character has very little growth or actual characterization and doesn't really hold a candle to 9S as a protagonist, he's barely above 2B before she's given a bit more depth by the 2E reveal.

The actual good parts of the Nier story are the reveal that Replicants aren't human and the fact that both Gestalt and Replicant Nier are driven by the same desire to save Gestalt and Replicant Yonah. Even then a lot of the interesting bits regarding Project Gestalt aren't in the actual game, they're in side material. Kaine is also enjoyable and a good character who receives a decent amount of attention, she's definitely better than 2B and A2 in Automata. Weiss is enjoyable himself but suffers from the same lack of attention Nier does, there's barely any sort of character growth for him throughout the entire game.

That fighting segment at the end where you switch between 2A and 9S was fairly fun, even though you see it coming a mile away.

A shame that the game has so many stuttering problems on a normal PS4. Makes me want to get the game on PC once some sort of sale or story-substantial DLC comes out.

>>376272975
Drakengard to Nier is a connection between dimensions. Nier to Automata is a connection within the same dimension across several thousand years.

You clearly haven't played the game if you think humanity is still alive in Automata.

>>376273113
There's no more DLC coming, anon.

>>376273117
>if you think humanity is still alive in Automata.
Anyone who played Nier already knew humanity was extinct, Emil is the only human in Nier and calling him that is questionable at best.

why the fuck did that tattoo appear on Eve?

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>>376269219
Sounds to me you just don't like it cause it's made in Japan.

I liked both of these games; but I mean I am assuming here.

And ya' know what they say about assuming things.

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>people who think Nier Automata is a significant sequel to Nier Gestalt/Replicant
>"muh popola"
>"muh devola"
>"muh emil"
>neither papa or brother Nier are even in the game
>the first game was literally titled as the name of the main character
>the second game doesn't have said character

>>376273542
>When Eve is overwhelmed by his emotions, the markings on his left arm start to enlarge - what’s up with that? Is it related to the black scrawl in the previous NieR? And why is it that only Eve has those markings?
>He has those markings to imitate humans, based on what’s recorded in humanity’s past information. Adam told him to get those markings, and to Eve, those markings are like a keepsake from his brother, so he tried very hard to keep those markings, but when he goes berserk, he couldn’t maintain the shape of those markings anymore.

>>376273707
>the first game was literally titled as the name of the main character
Not for me it wasn't.

>>376273707
I liked the first NieR a lot; one of my favorite games. Though I don't think that Automata is a bad "sequel" to NieR. I thought it was pretty good. Though I can understand why you think that way, nor can I fault you for it.

>>376273707
>neither papa or brother Nier are even in the game
Well, they kind of are.

>>376273707
>Chronologically takes place after the first game with events that are caused by those that transpire in the first game.
>not a sequel

>>376262308
>"Nier 2"
>it's a sequel to a stage play with a completely different name

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>>376273824
>naming characters ANYTHING other than canon names in games that let you choose
I bet you were that kid that named all the Final Fantasy characters after kids at school.

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>>376273921
It's a spin-off at best

>>376274003
how can rising be 100% uncut if he's a cyborg and doesn't have a human penis anymore?

I know it isn't actually Taro, but why does everyone hate Drakengard 2?

>>376274003
You don't have to play as the same character or even have any of the same characters in a game for it to be the sequel to another game.

>>376274130
Super anime happy fun times. Only good thing about 2 was Caim

>>376274130
Mostly due to the main protagonist I believe.

I haven't played it myself to say.

>>376274130
Because it isn't Taro. It's a slightly better playing Drakengard, a game whose only redeeming quality was Taro's writing. Without that, it's just a generic, terrible story with plot holes and bad characters, and also the gameplay is still ass.

>>376262282
The amusement park track was my SECOND favorite, after the one in Pascal's Village. Man that game had some all-around fantastic music.

>>376274130
cause it isn't taro
why call it a 2 if the creator of 1 has nothing to do with it? make it a fucking spinoff

>>376273707
>i dont have a brain lol

>>376274451
More like Yoko Taro is fucking retarded.

>>376274723
Normally I would agree, but I think you're the one that is retarded this time, my friend.

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>>376274853
It's understandable why Nier isn't in a sequel.

You're retarded cause you can't understand why they then shouldn't have made a sequel called Nier.

thanks for applying all 4 of your neurons.

>>376275112
>why they then shouldn't have made a sequel
Did you have a stroke?

>>376275112
Because it is related to the first game and isn't a spin off.

>>376275112
>frogposter
Ah, yes. I see.

>>376261971
Yes, only thing that kept me entertained with automata was the combat, everything else is better in 1.

>>376262703
The eyes of his daughter. He spills blood for her.

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>>376275270
well golly why didn't they just call Nier as a numbered Drakengard game instead

really gets my nigger noggin

>>376266091
Imagine if you just saw the trailer and first hour of the original Nier sans the Snow in Summer segment.
Automata definitely hits some major strides later in the plot and it fits its role as a proper Yoko Taro game

>>376270759
>That's exactly the sort of shit the shades should have done.

Hey, remember when Popola and Devola sent Nier to the Aerie village and they were holding a festival? Then Nier sperged out, started talking about how all shades are evil no matter what, and that one integrated shade freaked out? That was the shades waving the white flag and Nier responding as only Nier knows how.

>>376261971
I can agree that they're both boring and contrived.

God damn this is ridiculous thread full of crazy disagreements. It's like a souls/bb match up thread.

Fuck lads I love both of these games.

>>376275491
Because it's literally a different universe.

>>376275760
>Fuck lads I love both of these games.
No you don't, now pick a side.

>>376275864
I'm only half way through original and I'm pumped to play Auto again. I'll call you with my answer after all that.

>>376275760
>Fuck lads I love both of these games.
Same honestly.
I like NieR's characters more than Automata's but goddamn Automata's combat is good.

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All I wanna know is where Adam found those sweet ass outfits from. And whether or not the android illuminati were responsible for creating the aliens because it's no coincidence that they appear just as the humans die off and would have given the other androids a good reason to not sit around rusting

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>>376275853
>the same universe is a different universe
REALLY
ACTIVATES
MY
ALMONDS

>>376276216
Drakengard is explicitly a different universe from the one Nier takes place in. You're just retarded.

>>376276187
No lie, seeing Adam in a Gaston outfit or a tux would've been golden

>>376276276
Same multiverse.

Did anyone else kind of like Nier's gameplay once the timeskip happens I feel like 90% of the gameplay complaints could have been avoided if they just gave you one of each weapon at the start instead of giving you literally the worst weapon for half the game.

>>376276276

Aren't they linked now with D3's ending E ?

>>376261971
It has vastly better story and characters, and an equal if not better soundtrack, depending on whether you liked or disliked the dynamic stuff Automata did (I did not like it). The gameplay is legitimately no worse than Automata's at all, both games have equally braindread and shallow combat, Automata's is just flashier so people think that somehow makes it better, and both games have just as many annoying and tedious sidequests to waste your time with. At least the first game had good fishing.

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>>376276276
fucking ending E is literally the event that leads to Nier.

It is literally the same universe.

It isn't a fucking spinoff. Super Smash Bros is a fucking spinoff. Nier is a goddamn sequel to Drakengard.

>>376276187
I don't think it was just when [spoilers] humans going extinct, that the aliens appeared. Could of been.. A hundred or so years afterward. I'm not exactly sure now that I think about it. Though yeah I don't see why they'd be hostile, and since humanity is dead I doubt the Watchers have anything to do with that. [/spoilers]

>>376276276
And Ending E of Drakengard connects it to the Nier universe by literally jumping to modern Tokyo you dum-dum

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>>376261971
Can we all agree that DoD 1 is superior to either of them?

>>376276450
>>376276437
He's being pedantic about universes/dimensions.

>>376276450
>>376276437
>>376276408
>>376276394
Ending E of DoD1 sees Caim and the Grotqesqurie Queen transported from Drakengard's universe into "our" universe. It is explicitly different if you read Grimoire Nier.

>>376276564
It's not being pedantic, it's the reason why they're separate series.

>>376268131
Yeah man, farming pure water for 10 hours was so much better.

>>376275491
Huh, it's almost as if there isn't a standard rule about how you name your games and they can call them whatever the fuck they want.

>>376267942
>>376266841
The first game didn't completely leave one of the three main characters' backstories out of the game.

>>376276539

Story and music wise maybe but everything else no.

>>376265437
>Sawako Natori
Is this guy to Taro as Tomokazu Fukushima is to Kojima?

>>376276539
No it's worse.

>>376276593
The "our universe" of ending E is explicitly the universe of Nier.

Thus, same multiverse.

>>376276946
Which is a separate universe from Drakengard you retard. Pay attention the conversation.

>>376276442
I remember seeing a timeline suggesting it's been at least a thousand years since Nier 1.

There's one anon I've seen in these threads who's convinced the machine lifeforms are infected with red eye disease, but I'm not so sure about that.

>>376276539
Not at all, but you could argue that Caim's mute lust for murder is best.

>>376276848
>Sawako Natori
>guy
Might want to look up that person anon.

>>376271279
Pretty much this. There's the library shade in the second half that is completely non-hostile to you, and Nier slaughters it anyway. The game is fairly obvious about Nier's obsession with destroying shades and never so much as considering peace with them.

>>376276848
>Writer for Drakengard 2
No.

>>376277130
I thought it was obvious enough that I didn't know who they were.

>>376277059
Nier takes place in 3000 or so, while Automata takes place in 14000.

>>376277202
All the more reason to look her up, her interviews regarding Drakengard 3 and Nier are good reads into the development of characters and story.

All I want is a video game adaptation of the Nier prequel drama cd. And an anime adaptation of the Nier high school au drama cd.

>>376272661
How exactly were they going to stop him? By the time he became a threat he was already capable of killing them, and they had no reason to kill him before then. They considered him a friend too, so it's not like they had any desire to do that.

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>>376276661
Yes somehow "Nier Automata" is a retarded title for a game that is suppose to be the successor/sequel to a game called "Nier" called as such because the main character's name was Nier, who is not present in the sequel cause he's fucking dead at the end of the first game.

ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssstrange isn't it.

>>376277059
Well Taro seems to agree
>Androids and machine lifeforms who go berserk have their eyes turn red; does this have anything to do with the Red Eye?
>If I have to pick a side, it’d be yes.

>>376277059
The first Nier happens in 3000-something IIRC, Automata in 11900-something.

>>376277382
>>376268197

>>376277382
A character can still be relevant even if they're dead and Nier's actions are clearly important to what's happening in the sequel.

>>376277382
There is no canon name for the main character. Everyone just calls him Nier because that's the title of the game.

>>376277005
Super Mario World is a different universe from Goldeneye.

If one of the endings of Drakengard explicitly sets up the events that lead directly to Nier Gestalt, that means it's the same universe.

>>376277382
Are you just not capable of abstract thought or what?

>>376277005

Not the Anon you were talking to but if you look at the long form timeline the Nier universe is a universe connected to Drakengard 2's Ending C. Also, two is very much canon but inconsequential.

>>376277612
no, they call him Nier cause it's the default name.

>>376277005
>Which is a separate universe from Drakengard you retard

Dimension / timeline != universe.

>>376268197
POETRY

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>>376277665
No?

>>376276606
Don't pretend that running though an area in 30s with the item pick up chip on compares to running through the entire Arie to a specific spot at the end for an item with a minuscule drop rate. I needed to farm like 3 items in Automata and it took me less than an hour and Nier added an extra 15-20 with all the shit i needed.

>>376269421
patrician taste.
Pretty funny that the most human-like machines in the game have the most techno song in the game.

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>>376277382
>metal gear solid 3
>no metal gear
>final fantasy
>theres a sequel
Buuauhgh huuuhh whhhattt? huuuhrrr

>>376277873
>running though an area in 30s with the item pick up chip on
Nice try faggot, the pure water had an absolute bullshit appearance rate and you have to run through the fucking area dozens of times to just get one of them, when you need some 30 to finish upgrading the pods.
Automata was every bit as terrible about grinding for materials as Nier was.

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>>376277968
if Metal Gear Solid 3 took place ten thousand years in the future and was instead actually Zone of the Enders but needlessly called Metal Gear Solid 3, ok.

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>>376278084
Not him, but you're talking out of your ass. When I went to upgrade the pods at the end of the game, I already had most of the materials I needed. It took maybe 30 minutes of running through the Coast to get some water and then I was done. Getting 100% enemy data and fish were the only things that were anywhere near Nier's black pearls and broken wristwatches, and even then they didn't take me that long.

>>376278268
Xenoblade?

>>376277862
By long form timeline, I think he means the one that lists everything in text and not that diagram. If you actually read through it you'll see Drakengard 2 leads to Nier's world.

>>376277862

That's not the long form timeline that came with Drakengard 3. That is a fan made timeline.

>>376278415
irrelevant

>>376278084
I dunno, the egg grinding in Nier was so fucking awful I gave up and stopped giving a fuck, in Automata I literally never farmed for Pure Water and somehow got enough by picking it up randomly and from quest rewards to upgrade all Pods.

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>>376278394
>>376278415
It's literally just two pages put together and translated

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>Red eyes everywhere
Did those the machines manage to digitalize magic or something?
Read somewhere that Taro confirmed this, but what does this mean for the lore?

>>376278354
>When I went to upgrade the pods at the end of the game, I already had most of the materials I needed. It took maybe 30 minutes of running through the Coast to get some water and then I was done.
Well that's a nice anecdotal experience then, isn't it? By the time I got ending E and 98% sidequests complete with it, I only had enough materials to upgrade one pod to max and one other to level 2, and had to do hours of grinding to get enough pure water to finish. By comparison, getting black pearls in Nier only took me a small amount of time.
So how about instead of pretending that one game is better than the other about RNG you just accept that both games have a lot of RNG material grinding bullshit and neither is better than the other for it?

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>>376278536
page 2

>>376278268
>Moving the goalposts
You were arguing that it shouldn't be a sequel because the thing in the title doesn't appear. There's no Metal Gear and there's no Solid snake either.

>>376278562
He said there's a link, he didn't specify what link. The Queen's maso is supposed to be long gone (source: Grimoire Nier) but the machines could have picked up the entire red eye thing from old human records about fighting Legion.

>>376278587
>They both have RNG and that's bad and you can't judge any as being better or worse than the other so they're both bad
Cool.

Automata is objectively better about it because they let you buy the majority of the materials you need from vendors. The few items that you can only pick up don't come anywhere near the drop rate of things like the Phoenix Eggs either.

>>376277305
Got any links? I've been looking but I'm not finding any interviews.

>>376278524

Never had a problem in Nier grinding anything, I just ran around and picked up shit randomly from the shiny spots when I had to run through them to get somewhere. Got everything I needed to nearly max every weapon. Shouldn't be hard to get a few more things for the last couple of heavies. Heavies are shit but I wanna upgrade 'em all.

>>376278415
>>376278536
>>376278615

Here is a link to the full timeline.

http://drakengard-3.com/timeline.html

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>>376261971
NieR:A > NieR
2B/A2 > Geralt/Itsatrap
Pod 042 > Grimoire Weiss
Platinum combat > growing lunar tears and fishing

There's no denying any of this sorry.

>>376278084
>Almost every fucking weapon in Nier had some bullshit item to farm
>Automata only needs it for the pods
>Can buy all the weapon upgrade material from a store
>every bit as terrible

I was getting a pure water or two every 2-4 runs and it took me 20 minutes max to collect all the ones I need. I guess you were unlucky.
Automata is way better for farming bullshit because there's only a handful of shit you need where as Nier needed you to get a fuckton of shit that took 10+ hours

>>376278747
>The few items that you can only pick up don't come anywhere near the drop rate of things like the Phoenix Eggs either.
You nigger, I just explained to you that this is purely RNG and your anecdotal experience does nothing to solve other people having experiences that are the opposite. I got the right flowers and seeds to get the Lunar Tear in the gardening in Nier in my first try, so it hardly took me any time at all, but I'm not going to pretend that that's at all representative of the process for most people.

>>376278846
Scroll down that page and start reading from where Drakengard 2 ends, you can see it leading into Nier.

>>376278268
You're right, they should have called it Robot Game That Takes Place After Nier With Numerous References To Nier But The Main Character From Nier Isn't In It: Automata. Really rolls right off the tongue.

>>376278852
This is almost as terrible an opinion as thinking BotW is anything but a disaster that should have been cancelled.

>>376278984
The drop rates of pure water is objectively better than phoenix eggs, and there are objectively fewer items in Automata that you need to rely on RNG in order to get. That alone is reason for Automata being better than Nier when it comes to drop rates. Your anecdotal experiences of having a bad time with it mean nothing here.

>>376279087

I know I accidently tagged myself.

>>376278770
Really? You got 5 Eagle Eggs which had literally a single spawn point in the entire game and a drop rate which was probably <10% which then becomes permanently inaccessible as you advance the story without farming at all? You must have visited the Aerie a whole fucking lot for no reason at all, like literally tens of times. I guess that's one of the weapons you didn't upgrade.

>>376279146
>The drop rates of pure water is objectively better than phoenix eggs
[citation needed]

My only problem with Automata was 2B. What a shitty fucking character jesus christ. I have no idea why Taro decided to have the only interesting thing about her character be revealed posthumously was good storytelling. Not to mention that if you missed Amnesia A2's reveal would make no fucking sense. It felt that having her be an E model was done late into the development when they realized they had to actually make her interesting beyond slapping a fat ass onto her. The fact that her relationship with 9S is the second most praised part of the story (Ending E deserves it imo) is beyond me. She ended up feeling more like a plot device for 9S and A2 to develop, rather than a fully realized character. I'm not sure what 9S sees in her 2BH

>>376279114
Objective arguments can be made for everything he said except Kaine and Weiss being worse.

>>376279087
So are you just conveniently ignoring the fact that that every timeline of the series shows DoD2 as distinctly different from every other one? DoD1 is the only one that connects to Nier. That page lists everything in one timeline, ignoring how things separate across timelines.

why do androids bleed

>>376278852
>Pod 042 > Grimoire Weiss
This is objectively wrong.

>>376279240
>It felt that having her be an E model was done late into the development
Well, considering Taro likes to write his stories backwards, that was probably the first thing he established with 2B.

>>376279240
>It felt that having her be an E model was done late into the development
Nah, a lot of her dialogue makes too much sense combined with the reveal for it to be just slapped on top at the end.

>>376279239
The fact that, on average, it's not taking people 4 hours to get 4 pure waters across all the people who have played the game.

If you're actually going to try and argue that collecting Pure Water is the same as collecting Eagle Eggs, you're actually retarded and there's no reason to argue with you.

>>376279435
So basically you just pulled that out of your ass. Good job.

>>376279363
why does fluid leak out of a car when you cut the brakes

>>376279487
So basically you're fucking retarded. Good job.

>>376279498
Ad hominem is not an argument.

>>376278562
Are the Watchers like ants? Drop a single crumb of humanity and they appear to fuck up your picnic.

>>376267192
Dude ;___;

>>376278852
>2B/A2/Geralt/Itsatrap

Give me five reasons why. Without mentioning 2B's ass.

>>376279339
You mean all the timelines that are based on that diagram? That page goes on to talk about red eye disease appearing through history right up to the 21st centruy, it's clearly showing that this is Nier's history, which follows on from the end of Drakengard 2.

>>376278852
>t. horny virgin who only played Automata and looked up a synopsis of the first Nier

No one who has played both can possibly think this.

>>376279858
It's just taking every event in throughout all the games and layering it onto a single timeline. The timeline printed in the DoD3 guide tells us very clearly that DoD2 is separate from the other timelines. It's even on the top of that page. This list is also just something some guy put together, not some official list. There's no reason to believe all these events happen in the same timeline whatsoever.

>>376276714
Again, Nier is just as bad for leaving gaping holes in the plot. You have no clue what bringing Weiss and Noir together will do for example, or that the random book you mow down in Emil's house was Grimoire Rubrum (A third book the game conveniently never mentions) but Taro writes the game as if his audience is himself.

>>376262957
NOOOOOOOOOO

>>376280216
>that the random book you mow down in Emil's house was Grimoire Rubrum (A third book the game conveniently never mentions)
But this has absolutely nothing to do with the game's story, and how is either one of those being left out a plot hole?

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>>376279490
Why does blood leak out of the car when you cut the brakes

Is Yoko Taro done with the series? Last I heard, he left platinum games.

>>376280456
He's a freelancer. He'll get a new game to work on soon enough once he's finished with his phone game.

>>376280456
After twenty long years of working with Platinum Games, Yoko Taro has finally retired.

The motivation behind YoRHa boxes being made from machine cores seemed very...silly.

>>376280424
There are many questions that may never be answered in this world.

>>376280456
Your thinking of Peter Moorecock

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>>376269167
>>376269602
I wouldn't think N2 is straight up Nier's personality though.

More like his data became another part of the groundwork in N2's understanding of humanity and evolution.

The death system makes me fucking hate Automata

I don't understand what's supposed to be fun about manually reloading your save each time you die so you don't lose your chips/healing items. I mean if it worked like Souls where you didn't have a choice, and all you lost was currency, then fine, but the way it is now just wastes my time every time I get 1-2 shot by a boss on hard because I'm too autistic to just accept my loss when I don't have to

>>376280141
It also tells us that the garden of light happens after Drakengard 2 ending B which of course doesn't make any sense so it would seem someone slipped up with this diagram and it's not reliable. And again, some of these events mentioning the red eye disease must clearly be part of Nier's history, like when it mentions it breaking out in WWII. It's following a history similar to our own world up until Nier happens but with the presence of red eye.

>>376280742
Don't worry, that won't be a feature for much longer.

>>376280742
>I don't understand what's supposed to be fun about manually reloading your save each time you die so you don't lose your chips/healing items.
Just run back to your corpse and pick them up.

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>>376276187
Pretty sure that Emil was the first one to face the actual aliens. Yorha didn't show up until later.

>>376280881
Androids existed before Yorha.

>>376278852
>a mere contraption built of scrap metals and ores
>greater than the brilliance of the famed GRIMOIRE WEISS

>>376280748
All that means is that Taro retconned parts of DoD2's original ending. That is the canon timeline right there, and all of your protesting won't change that.

Looking through that timeline, it looks like the only thing it has to take from DoD3 is
>Mikhail eats Three, and Zero kills both Two and One; however, Zero is killed by Brother One. The six Utautai Sisters have all perished.
Which means it's only following route A, which only connects to DoD1.3, and that doesn't connect to anything else in the series.

The bottom line is that you cannot rely on what's written in that timeline as means of connecting the entire series together. We have a canon timeline already, and it shows clearly what connects to what. The timeline in that link is useful to give us an idea of when various events happen, but that's it.

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>>376278852
>Pod>Weiss
I fucking love Pod 042 but Weiss is is on another level

>>376281156
>All that means is that Taro retconned parts of DoD2's original ending.
You think he heavily retconned ending B in a way that leads to this short story instead of it simply being a mistake becuase the story obviously follows ending A?

>>376281496
Either way is fine; DoD2 is trash anyway. It's one thing to make a mistake saying a novella follows from one ending to another. It's another thing to say something is completely separate from all of the other timelines as a mistake.

If the only reason you think DoD2 follows into Nier is this fanmade timeline that itself also seems to have inaccuracies, then I don't know what to tell you.

>>376270630

But that's not the first game, your analogy is falling apart here.

>>376280748

The timeline map was made by a fan named Rekka Alexiel. The list is the official timeline according to Accord and came with Drakengard 3. I agree that D2 doesn't directly follow Nier but events similar to D2 did happen in the Neir universe. Kind of like how D1 doesn't directly lead to D2 but events similar to D1 did occur in the D2 universe.

>>376261971
no Platinum cancer makes it automatically better

Just started playing this HOLY SHIT!!

That opening was cooler than ANYTHING in the first Nier, which I actually loved very much.

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>>376281112
Yeah, but Yorha's conception basically embodies the conspiracies surrounding the truth about the conflict.

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>>376278852
I ended up liking the pods far more than I expected them to, but I don't think they can top Nier and Weiss's constant snarky back-and-forths.

>>376273741
How the hell did they find information about the cult of the watchers though? How can they know about this symbol from a different universe?

>>376282446
Nobody knows how. We just know that they did.

Can someone please explain to me without spoilers what neir's "gestalt" data is? I know our version was the gestalt version but what does that mean ?

>>376282557
There's no way to explain what replicants and gestalts are without spoiling the game.

>>376272215
>How is that an argument ? In many instances an artist's first creation was his best. That means they pretty much think their newer stuff is always their best when it's not. Creating a masterpiece doesn't mean you fully understand what made it great.
>first creation
>first
I can't believe someone made a post like this. Just nuke /v/ man.

>>376282446
Maybe it was a thing in Nier's universe like >>376281921 is saying.

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>>376271251
I love Drakengard 1, but I feel like they were pretty pressed for time on some ideas. Like the quick explanation on the Dragons rebelling in Ending C, or how the side-characters tie into things beyond the massacre of Ending D. Not to mention Ending E was basically Taro's prank ending until Nier came along.

I do hope we can see a more fleshed out Drakengard sequel more akin to the first game's tone someday though.

>>376282557
>without spoilers
That's the biggest spoiler in the whole game.

>>376280724

Get your tin foil hats and yarn boards because I am about to drop some serious conspiracy theory bullshit.

In the Q and A the answers to the "certain person" question about whose data N2 is comprised of and the question involving Red Eye's involvement in the logic virus, along with N2's overall design got me thinking "What if N2 is an amalgam of both the Shadowlord's data and Red Eye's memories or essence?"

>>376282446
In Nier, there is a cult referenced in a facade sidequest that could have been related to the watchers.

It could have came out of that, or perhaps red-eyes left something behind.

>>376282924
Are you referring to the original nier or automata?

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>>376282974
>an amalgam of both the Shadowlord's data and Red Eye's memories or essence
I feel like anything involving the Watchers or Red Eye's influence in Automata is anyone's guess.

The Machine Network could have absorbed data on the legion from the old world, The Watchers could be influencing N2's intent from behind the scenes for the sake of spreading chaos, Accord could have accidentally dropped a random log report on the cult and Eve found it and thought their insignia would make for a cool tattoo, etc.

There are obvious parallels and connections to the cult and Red Eye virus, but I don't know if we'll ever get a concrete answer on any of it.

>>376283425
Accord is somehow going to run everything.

>>376283549
Ruin*

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>>376283549
Part of me thinks that Accord will be the one character everyone keeps expecting to pop up in Taro's next game, but she'll stick to the background of things.

>>376281854
He said MGS not Metal Gear you dumb rural and suburban retard