puyo thread

no I suck dick at puyo levels

>>376259994
Yes but I cannot for the life of me play tetris. You cant put unneeded blocks to the side like puyos, every one counts. I just cant get my head around it. I had to get my friend to do the tetris parts in chapter 1 so i could get to the puyo sections.

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>think about getting Puyo Puyo Tetris
>already pretty good at Tetris, but not at Puyo
>download Kirby's Avalanche
>can't do it for the life of me, keep getting beat by CPUs
How do you even do this shit? How do you make chains beyond 2 chains without just getting lucky?

>>376260245
Kirby's avalanche is based on Puyo Puyo, which is the Street Fighter 1 of the series. It kinda sucks. Try emulating Puyo Pop Fever on the PS2/Gamecube.

>>376261027
Wouldn't he be better off just doing Tsu since that's what PPT uses for its standard? Granted I've never played Fever so I don't know if that has a Tsu ruleset too.

>>376261374
Fever's got Fever mode, though, which is fun and also a nice little crutch for beginners.
Also, it's a little annoying to have to apply the translation patch to Tsu.

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>>376260245
You make a 2 chain, but instead of setting it off, you extend it to a 3 chain by doing the same thing.

Or use stairs pattern. That's a simple one.

>>376260245
SegaAmerica actually had a guy made a bunch of really nice tutorial videos for their youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyNDaUSqgE0

What happened to my post?

>>376261503
The only thing fever teaches you is how to trigger pre-made chains.

>>376260161
I'm totally the opposite. I've been playing Tetris all my life and I'm getting into Puyo now, but I'm struggling a lot just to get chains of 3

How do I speed up my Tetris play?
I understand things, but I don't really know how to go any faster than I already do.

>>376263092
You just keep playing. Once you know what you're supposed to be doing, it's just a matter of doing it over and over again until you hit jap TAS-levels.

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>>376263092
I would like to introduce you to my little friend called the T-spin.

>>376262250
Even those premade chains can teach you something by showing you patterns and whatnot.

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>2017
>playing Tetris of all games

>>376263092
watch videos from S2LSOFTENER and ShiroBrawl and study how they do setups in competitive play and apply it to practice.
T-spin setups, placement of pieces, timing combos, harassment, etc.
Just watch, practice, and apply

>>376264285
youre right, puyo puyo is better

>>376264285
>he hasnt been playing tetris since at least 5 years old

>>376262443
How though? Not saying Puyo is easy but coming from tetris where every block counts and puyo you can discard unneeded colours to the side, I thought tetris transition would be easier.

Why haven't you built a shrine to the best Puyo yet?
It's Ocean Prince, if you somehow had any doubt.

>>376259994
>tfw just beat Mean Bean Machine last night

Shit was fucking tough, especially when they're flying down at a million mph. I kept fucking up my chains since I didn't have the reflexes to place them correctly.

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>>376259994

>>376264689
Anon, I hate to tell you this, but Mean Bean Machine is piss fucking easy due to the lack of offsetting. All you have to do is make one 4-chain and you win.

>>376264689
>go HAM when setting up stairs or sandwiches
>slow down to snails pace when doing turnarounds and towers
fuck

Is there any way to get puyo puyo tetris but for ps3? If not, what's a good puyo game that's easy to emulate.
I been playing puyo puyo VS but that's more for online than practice.

>>376263392
There's just a few things I've figured out.
Like, always leave room for O blocks
And two L or two J pieces can fit together nicely.
But I don't know what the pro strats for holding is, because when I watch, they hold like every other tetrimino and I don't understand why.
>>376263432
I need to be faster for T-spins to be worth it.

>>376264572
I play Tetris almost instinctively, Puyo is a weird thing I still don't understand.

>>376264991
The ps3 version has no region lock so you can buy it online if you want. You can emulate PPT on cemu as well, but it has some issues with graphics and modes outside of story not working.
You can also try Puyo Pop Fever, Puyo Puyo 7, or Puyo Puyo 15th/20th Anniversary. The ds versions emulate with no issues and should run on any computer. Plus, most of them are available in english. All of them have non-standard game modes as their default, but have the option for normal matches as well.

>>376264851
All the compile era games are a bit too easy. The ai didn't become competent until Fever.

>>376264641
Are we talking about his human or fish form

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>>376264641
Why is he so perfect?

>>376266126

I might check on importing or just go for one of the anniversary games. Thanks!

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>>376267116
Fish, anon. Even he doesn't like being in human form.
>>376267409
He just is, anon.
He just is.

>>376267815
If you're playing anniversary, 20th is generally regarded as better, if not the best sega-made game period, but has no english patch. 15th has an english patch, but the story segments are lacking compared to the other games anyway.

>>376267828
>His final attack is in human form
>All of his alt outfits in Puyo Puyo Quest are in human form
Explain that then

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>>376268552
>>His final attack is in human form
Not in every game, anon.
Also, Sega hates the nonhumanoid characters as evidenced by the fact that they're always the first to go when they have to deal with the shitty 24 limit, and the dumb fucking tasteless Japs like Ocean Prince's human form more because they like traps or some shit.
Seriously, trying to find art of fish form Ocean prince on pixiv is heartbreaking.

>>376264285
Found the brainlet

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Puyo Puyo Tetris is my first Puyo game and i'm getting my ass kicked.
Any tips on how to git gud?

>>376270486
Have you practiced your sandwiches anon?

>>376270486
In which game mode?

>>376270486
Watch the tutorial videos on the SegaAmerica youtube channel.

>>376271150
Most of those suck, except for the T-spin one.
They are like
'Here's what stairs look like!'
And then that's it. They don't teach you how to build one or when it's useful or what to watch out for.
I don't really like them.
Plus I need to learn basics, not advance techniques that I have no idea how to create.

>>376271112
I've tried but i always get stomped in no time
>>376271137
Vanilla Puyo

>>376271587
>Plus I need to learn basics, not advance techniques that I have no idea how to create.
Anon, those are the basics.

I know you're reading this lad. I'm getting three bowls of Karaage.

>>376260161
Tetris doesn't let you hide unneeded blocks, but on the other hand it doesn't really 'have' unneeded blocks. If you're clever you'll always leave a spot that a block can go into, even if it's not maybe the best spot.

>>376271587
Those videos are super basic though. Just take a look at the examples and reverse engineer what went into them, in the end it's all just pattern recognition, thinking and adapting doesn't really enter the equation until you fight someone and have to time chains and deal with garbage

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>>376271665
lick my nuts

>>376264572
Not him but besides just messing up often in the arrangement of colors while making chains, the fact that puyos can fall off, and drop to the bottom if below it is just air keeps tripping me up since I'm so used to how Tetris blocks are stuck in place in the spot they fell

>>376271642
https://puyonexus.com/wiki/How_to_Play_Puyo_Puyo
Have you looked at this before?

>>376272106
I read this once, nothing made sense.
Then I watched this:
https://youtu.be/uJszHBGaYh0
And that helped me understand.
Then I reread everything there, and I'm slowly starting to get it.

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>>376272106
>>376272449
Thanks for the links my dudes

PSA: if you're a tetris player, you'll win every multiplayer mode against good puyo/bad tetris players except the mixed mode which is mostly just puyo. the only thing you need good puyo skills for is the mixed mode and to complete story mode, especially fucking 7-4

>>376272841
Unless you are a literal grand master at Tetris that's simply not the case. Puyo can be a hell of a lot more aggressive than Tetris, it just requires more skill and barely anyone in the western community knows what the fuck they are doing with it as opposed to Tetris which mostly everyone played at least a little bit.
If your think someone being able to beat the story mode makes them good you are truly bottom of the barrel by the way

>>376272841
>not 7-10

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>Good at tetris
>okay at puyo-puyo

Is online worth getting a ps4 subscription?

For years I've been playing tetrisfriends (battle2p rank 16) but this scene seems a bit more active and I dont have to watch ads to play.

>>376273273
>barely anyone in the western community knows what they are doing
that's my point. even the best puyo people fall hard against a good tetris game

>>376273535
>Is online worth getting a ps4 subscription?
No, because the PS4 version's online is kinda dead.

>>376273535
From what people were saying the PS4 version isn't nearly as active as the Switch one. There's always loads of people online on Switch. I think what kinda killed the PS4 release a bit is that there is no digital option for it on PSN, you have to get your hands on a physical release and those are hard to come by with the low print numbers it got. Kinda sucks

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>>376274063
Damn, I just cant see myself playing it on those tiny joycons with analog.
>>376274318
>low print numbers
Well that explains why I had to goto the 3 stores to get one. Ended up at a gamestop where the dude was pressuring me to get the switch version for a keychain or something.

That's pretty disappointing they're not supporting the ps4 as much as the switch release.

I just want ranked tetris that isnt a web game with ads (and adblocker wont work).

>>376275019
>with analog.
Then use the D-Pad, anon. Why the fuck would you use analog for Puyo?

>>376275019
>That's pretty disappointing they're not supporting the ps4 as much as the switch release
It's not that they aren't supporting it, anon, it's that Ubisoft holds exclusive rights to any digitally distributed Tetris games on PS4 right now.

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>>376275104
From what I see, joycons use analog and the four buttons to the right, buttons to rotate is fine, but analog movement is painful because it's not strictly four directional so its prone to mistakes
>>376275175
Sounds messy, I'll wait more years for another tetris game then

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what's this and how works the back-to-back?

>>376275649
The joycons individually use the analog and the buttons, yeah, but if you use two you can use the d-pad buttons and the face buttons. Even then, the analog really isn't that bad for puyo at all.

>>376259994
Yes, and I'm bad at it.

>>376275842
That's your attack meter.
Your attacks aren't launched until you drop a piece that doesn't clear a line, so you can clear several in a row to build a strong meter then let it rip.

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There's a severe Ocean Prince deficiency in this thread.

>>376260161

>You cant put unneeded blocks to the side like puyos, every one counts.

That's what the "hold" button is for. You put ones you don't need to the side and save them for when you do need them. Tetris is all about creating spaces that your next piece can fit into. If you can grasp that and truly master the art of creating spaces for just about every piece, you can beat pretty much anyone; provided they're not some t-spin spamming nigger.

I would but 60 dollarydoos seems a bit much to jump into a puzzle game I've never played before. Looks super polished though.

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>>376276320
>Playing the game correctly and not like an old fart is "spamming"

>>376276363

It' 40 dollars, and worth the price considering all the content. It's a good deal for what you're getting.

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>>376276517

Fucking kids and your t-spins, God fucking damn you.

>>376276528

Where is it 40 Au?

>>376276642

Oh, you meant Aussie dollars. Can't help you there, sorry.

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>>376276029
oh I get it now, thanks.

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Spirit Vessel Sig when?

I bet I'm the only person here who played Malicious.

Do they match you with someone hard when you're up for promotion or are people just trying harder when they see the promotion notification.

>tfw they'll never drop the 24 limit

>>376277297

I think people just play harder. At least, that's how I am. Though I get nervous and make mistakes because of that.

>>376277431
It was brutal, I had a perfect clear and back to back T-Spin doubles but it still all got absorbed into massive chains.
I still go too slow thinking about how to set these things up, I suppose.

Why is tetris apparently better against puyo?

>>376278715
They can hard drop and puyo can't by default, allowing them to move faster.

>>376278715
If tetris can go fast enough, the way puyo garbage works can basically result in the puyo player being shut down before they can do anything at all.

>>376278715
The main issue is the way garbage works. On Tetris it's coming from below and even lets you counter with simple back to backs. It will never ever fuck you over unless it wipes you. Puyo on the other hand even just a single line represents a roadblock you have to deal with before you can continue building your chains.
Tetris having harddrops isn't even really an issue, you can build roughly equally fast on both games, but while you can easily just throw in a simple back to back to halt Puyo progression for a bit that just doesn't work the other way around.

I have no idea how people play puyo. Like I never seem to get pieces I want and I never know where to generally place a piece. At least with Tetris I know what pieces compliment each other and how to avoid bad placement.

But puyo confuses me to no end. I have no idea how to even start. I see all these chain tutorials but the pieces I need to build those chains never drop and usually gets buried in my own garbage in free play. I could never compete.

>>376278073

Yeah, you just need to be willing to take the risk. Even if you have to clean up garbage, at least you're getting combos. It's not like the older games, where getting holes is basically certain death. Now you can get rid of your mistakes more easily with quick drop, and turn it into combos.

>>376279936

Same, Puyo escapes me. Tetris just comes natural. But then, I've also been playing it for the past 24 years.

>>376279936
>>376280747
Try using this http://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?tid=4109 to practice. Just practice building up staircases and sandwiches, getting an intuitive feel for how things work

Is there a way to practice modern Puyo on a mediocre PC? There's a billion Tetris ports floating around but there's damn near nothing for Puyo.

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What does her butt smell like?

does it smell like apples?

>>376280927
You can emulate the Gamecube version of Fever, doesn't take a good PC if you don't want to upscale shit. There's also that puyopuyo vs online fangame, but almost nobody plays that anymore

>>376280904

That's basically what I've been doing to slowly learn Puyo Puyo. Staircases, and feeling my way around. Here and there I get lucky and just stumble into a large combo. I never have much of a plan though.

I think that's what it is about Puyo Puyo. You really have to think way ahead. What you're setting up is like, minutes in the making.

>>376261587
>try to make stairs
>okay 1 pillar down, now the next one
>wait no the colors are coming in the wrong order
>end up with 3 pillars of the same color and assorted puyo on the side
FUCKK

reminder that ocean prince makes good sushi

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>shit at puzzle games
>get this game anyway
>3 star every story mission
>too spooked to go online

>>376259994
I understand the tutorials when I see them, but I just do whatever the fuck when it comes to the actual thing. I can make 5 chains doing the staircase, but it's just my (bad) preference/habit to go for the three by three puyo arrangement from the very beginning of the game. Like I don't even know where this shit technique is heading me, all I know is I feel good seeing curved formation than pillars

>>376281918
>>3 star every story mission
Look, you may not be great, but you sure as fuck aren't shit.

>>376279936
Reminder most of those people played for years. You're not a retard, just need more effort anf patience

How populated is the online right now on the switch? I'm almost considering buying one just because I want to play Puyo outside of ppvs.

>>376279936
5 chains are easy to learn and get a solid grip on, look up some examples, go into freeplay, and work on them until you can do them in your sleep. Shouldn't take more than a couple hours of actual practice until you can start implementing them comfortably in your matches. That's really all you need for the story and lower level online opponents. It really just comes down to practice, there is no way around it. Clock in the hours and feel good about yourself when you are the one doing the shitting on people instead.

>I see all these chain tutorials but the pieces I need to build those chains never drop
Most of these popular chaining techniques are popular because they work the very vast majority of the time no matter what puyos you get, you are probably just looking at them wrong. If you look at the really high level play there are thousands of super situational set ups that are way faster and can be way more secure than them, but those require you to actually think and come up with shit on the fly which 99.999999% of puyo players will never be able to on that level.

>>376282193

I feel shit. I know how to do t-spins but always fuck them up, can't do a triple t spin at all, and can barely get past a 4 chain.

>tfw they'll never revisit fever's world as the central focus

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>>376283584
>they will never revisit Madou Monogatari's world with kindergartner Arle
We were here first ;_;

>>376283584
>>376284045
>they will continue to reboot the entire focus of the series every several years until the entire roster is populated by past protagonists because they will never go over 24 characters

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>strategy is to build Puyo walls on the right half of my container as a defense against Tetris shitters and garbage spammers
>not win all the time online, but at least regularly beat people a tier or two above mine
>learn how to do GTR and seeing how to do proper chains
>started losing battles because I'm too slow at building chains before garbage fucks shit up
>after losing first round with GTR, decided to fuck it and spam build walls like I did before
>easily win next two rounds because of easily detonatable walls that defend against garbage and regularly yield 4-5 chains
Why even bother learning how to play the game properly with GTR when I could just build walls?

>>376284446
Because that'll be enough for low level shitters but once you get to the higher levels you will not stand a chance playing that way and will simply get flooded with no way to counter.

>>376284446
Because facing Tetris with Puyo is different from facing Puyo with Puyo. Building vertically is good against Tetris but you'll get smashed by any Puyo player that knows what he's doing if you try that all the time.

>>376284446
Playing Puyo is pretty much heaven or hell mode, you'll get completely shat on if you fuck around like that against anyone halfway competent. When people that know what they are doing can send you enough garbage to fill your screen up 3 times over within half a minute of the match building walls won't let you do anything as you just instantly lose without a means to counter, every, single time.
It's an okay beginner tactic that a lot of low level players use, but as soon as you get out of the lowest trenches it all but disappears completely.

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>>376284563
>>376284745
Then how do you propose the Puyo player getting out of this shit?

>>376285110
Build vertically instead of horizontally

>>376285110
You don't. Your walls won't help you there either. Puyo vs Tetris is just a completely unbalanced match up and honestly shouldn't even be played.

>>376285110
anon
>Building vertically is good against Tetris but you'll get smashed by any Puyo player that knows what he's doing if you try that all the time.
Learn to read.

>>376285045
>>376284745
>>376284563
Can mid-level Puyo players counter it effectively? I don't think I'm bothered if only top-tier players would push my shit in.

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Fuck yes, the best act ever is up.

Don't worry, the voiceover at the beginning is the only one in the entire video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhNiJDxyI-4

>>376261027
>>376261587
>>376261640
I know I'm late but thanks for the suggestions
I feel like I'm decent now

>>376285454
I think it depends on the player at that level, as well as your own efficiency building vertically like that. I don't think just building vertically will be enough if your opponent manages a 7-8 chain unless you're doing some really wicked stuff.

>>376285454
It depends on just how fast you are and what you consider mid level I guess. The only ones that would struggle vs Walls fundamentally are the kind of players that have difficulties with the Puyo sections in the story I think. All you really need to completely destroy your strategies is being able to knock out a quick 5 or 6 chain to fill up half your screen since you have no good way to remove the garbage piling up dead center. After that they can take their time and either go for a huge knock out punch or just layer on short but quick chains to finish you off

>>376285737
>>376285906
From what I've seen, the players that tried to make large chains gets their trigger buried by garbage sent by my wall. It seems to be effective, since I'm fast at connecting 3 of the same color and putting the 4th disconnected in a different column.

Only the monsters seem to be able to consistently beat it.

>>376285110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSV1RwlJ8Bg

>>376286829
This honestly tells you everything about the match up. Puyo is constantly on the defense and fighting desperately for their life while Tetris is never in any real danger. It's just super unbalanced.

>>376287204
So is this the weakest puyo puyo title in the series? I was kind of wondering why pros are playing on older puyos than PPT

>>376284446
Because that's a super basic beginner strategy that immediately fails when you face someone with more than a month of experience.

Purple puyo is literally me

>>376287328
If you're interested in puyo just play puyo puyo vs, it's free

>>376287328
It doesn't have a proper fever mode, which really sucks. Big Bang has endless fever but no one likes that shit.

>>376287328
It's nowhere near the weakest, but Tetris does have a notable advantage and a lot of the best Puyo modes fever are missing, as well as a couple of the most prominent Puyo characters being gone for the sake of fitting the dumb Tetris characters into the stupid fucking 24 limit. Still a good game, but very flawed.
It's still more balanced than Puyo~n, though.

>>376287423
Unneccesary? Unwanted? Gay?

>>376286829
I like watching Puyo players who treat garbage Puyos like it's an auxiliary color to be controlled

>>376287204
>Puyo is constantly on the defense and fighting desperately for their life while Tetris is never in any real danger.
Did you watch the same video? Puyo may get pretty dangerously close to the top, but as soon as Puyo gets a decent chain going (which the Puyo player does multiple times) the Tetris player basically gets instafucked.

Puyo VS Tetris is basically like trying to murder a man with your bare hands before he can grab his gun. Yeah, you can do your best to beat the shit out of him as quick as you can, but if he grabs that gun you're fucking done.

>>376287716
Do you play Puyo Puyo? As someone who does it's crazy watching that guy defend against the harassment spam. Chaining like that under pressure isn't super easy.

https://youtu.be/l1Xwgx2P6Qg?t=13m28s
Can somebody explain to me why american players literally cannot beat japanese players in any game no matter what?
Like, what the fuck is going on?

>>376288620
JP has far more practice in arcade-style games because they have actual arcades

>>376288620
S2 did alright but his partner really dragged him down.

>>376288794
Agreed. But you could almost say S2 is an anomaly here in america, while those japanese players seem a dime a dozen.
>>376288746
Is that really the only reason?

>>376288941
There's still other good puyo players in the us like Shiro. And there's a shitload of amazing Tetris players in the US who would have made this match more balanced.

>>376288941
Puyo is just incredibly niche in the US since there just haven't been any English releases in forever, there's only a handful of people that actively play it period. If you compare like the top level Tetris players in the US and JP the difference wouldn't be anywhere near as drastic

>>376288941
It's obviously not the only reason but it is a big reason. It puts them ahead of the meta so NA has to both catch up and then surpass them.

Finally mastered the GTR, and I've been sweeping the online matchmaking.

>>376289568
share your secrets

>>376289791
I just told you. Learn GTR. Practice it a ton on endless, until you can hard drop puyos into chains. Unleashing a 5 or 6 chain is usually enough for players <3500. Put the pressure on with that, then just keep hitting them with doubles or triples while they reel.

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What's a ghost puyo?

What's your rating, everyone?

I'm at 5505. I'm pretty much stuck here.

should I emulate 15th with the translation patch or 20th

>>376289287
Anywhere near as drastic?
I was literally, just today, watching the tetris grand masters, and they said that japan has them completely outmatches without any hope.
Not even Tetris is ours, anon. Everything belongs to them.

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>>376290634
Could the Koreans give them a run for their money?

Playing puyo tertis and I can't seem to get it. I play tertis vs tertis and I seem to always lose. I'm getting actual tertis over and over but I never seem to give the ai garbage. Ai gives me fuck ton of garbage in the other hand. I know it isn't about score, but it's annoying to lose when I have more than quadruple the score of the ai. Losing with a score like that and the ai having no garbage when it beats me is weird and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

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>>376290630
Might as well do 15th first, especially since you can read it.

>>376290630
20th is far better gameplay-wise and has the best Puyo mode ever: Pair Puyo.

Just watch videos of the 15th cutscenes or something.

>tfw scared of going into puzzle league

>>376290703
They are too busy on their MMOs and gacha games

>>376290721
>mfw Ex hits on her, no restraint
I was pleasantly surprised.

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>>376290708
You could try the continuous line clear combo method instead of aiming for tetris all the time.

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>dude just gtr/sandwich/stairs lmao
>never get any puyos I need to start them

I've had enough of your memes

>>376290708
Getting a Tetrises isn't that important. What you ideally want to try to get into the habit of is doing chains, finishing lines consecutively without placing any pieces. That generates a lot more garbage than just a Tetris or two and is quicker to set up. Once you get comfortable you can start working T-Spins into that to create even more garbage. Building a Tetris is almost never really worth it unless everything just kinda falls in place and it happens naturally

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Anyone else shake after an online ranked puyo game?

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It's funny how all it takes to shake a tetris player at my ranking is a simple 2 chain to get them to panic and start making mistakes

>>376285110
Use staircase or tailing.

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>>376286829
>tfw tetris players can quick drop while puyo can't
Why does have to be like this

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Post 'em

>>376291663
Ok, listen to me.
Pick one of those.
Start a match, attempt to do whichever on you picked. Figure out where you can put garbage puyos while working on this.
Then set it off, see if your chain gets eaten. Take notes.
Restart.
Repeat this over and over again, ok?

>>376294652
To add to this, play on that lex life simulator if you can't even grasp how to make them yet.
But once you understand how to make them, do it in an endless puyo. Get used to how it feels.
Pick and stick to a puyo skin. Repeat repeat repeat.
You need this to become muscle memory so that you can spend your brain power on figuring more complicated shit out later.
For example: what to do with garbage puyo

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Chronicle localization when?

rip puyo

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>>376294595
>not using the screenshot functionality
Why did you buy a Switch again?

>>376296346
Fuck Chronicle and its literally worthless two new characters.

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>>376299503
What's wrong with Ally?

>>376299891
She's supposed to be a main character but she instead ends up as an extra in the Arle & Friends show.

And the final boss is the absolute shittiest and most forgettable final boss in all of Puyo Puyo. Whoever approved a fucking Ally palette swap who just shows up out of nowhere and goes away just as quickly should go play in traffic while stepping on Legos.

>>376264285
We a found a 18 year old.