Western RPG disscusions

>>376213969
WRPG > JRPG

Is Anachronox a WRPG, or JRPG?

Also what do you think of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B0mLpPf5H8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcXOFnTDz9g

>>376214121
Yeah, I never liked them, or modern Japanese culture, for that matter, I think it all went downhill with death of Mishima and Kurosawa.

>>376214274
It is a western RPG, how it plays does not factor into that unless you like being wrong about everything.

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>>376214121
>>376214420
Going for realism in graphics is the thing that put me off WRPGs for years. Artstyle is far more important than graphical quality. JRPGs are always bashed for "samey" anime graphics which confuses me because when you go for "real" as your artstyle all the games going towards that end up looking the same by principle while anime has a very large variety.

>>376213969
is this game enjoyable?

>>376216398
Yeah, but if the artstyle looks like it's made from play dough, and characters like children, I won't touch it, no matter what.

>>376217292
Yes, it's a great game, better than Original Sin.

>>376213969
What are some recent rpgs that let roleplay instead of facetanking shit?

>>376217292
Dunno how it holds up for someone lacking nostalgia value, but I played the hell out of it and enjoyed every moment, back in the day. Also great soundtrack, as the rest of the series.

The Diablo games got me into RPGs. I actually like Fallout 4, but only for its gimmicks and shooting mechanics. New Vegas is still my favorite. Uh so yeah.. blah blah blah opinions japrpgs are so fucking mind numbing I can't even fucking believe this shit how do you want to play a motherfucking game where your stupid ass is stuck back in highschool and you're trying to impress the popular girl and shit this fucking bullshit is so fucking derivative they are all the fucking same what the fuck happened to shit like secret of mana and early final fantasy who gives a fuck about who likes who and who will get to go to the prom with the hot bitch fuck your stupid ass jap bullshit I'm tired of playing highschool drama fuckshit I don't care if it references anime anime hasn't been any good since like '96 go fuck yourself

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Gothic still hasn't been topped IMO

What are some good western TRPGs that let me customize each squad unit and manage their inventories?

>>376217325
Yes, we are too mature for that.

>>376219057
Someone will say Jagged alliance but you can't customize shit.

What I wanted by customization is being able to create a character, from portrait pic to clothes even if just pallet swapping colors, stats, class, job, skills, equipment, inventory items. The whole thing.

The only games that you can do this without knowing how to properly mod yourself are games like TES, that have its own editor.

No TRPG has that, and it hurts me. I wanted nothing but a game like FFTA, where you create your guild from zero and go on missions with your 100% custom party.

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I hate to admit this but modern vidya which is designed for complete retards spoiled me. When the "core" RPG experience requires autistic shit like learning new rules explained on 1000 page long manuals, I'd rather play something easy to get into.

I find myself falling for nostalgia, I've repurchased many classic isometric RPG's on GOG and/or Steam but I find myself getting bored with the tedium of fiddling with their antiquated mechanics and interfaces.

Fallout 4 is still an insult to anyone's intelligence, but I'd rather play New Vegas than Fallout 1 and 2. If it makes sense. I even liked Skyrim and played it including its two addons a few times, I do not necessarily appreciate it as an RPG but in a "fuck around and wreak havoc in a fantasy medieval setting" sort of way.

I can still enjoy Arcanum thanks to its repetitive but simple combat, it's bar none one of my favorite isometric RPG's. New Shadowruns are also okay I guess, but for instance I couldn't get into Divinity Original Sin because all the skills in character creation are vague as fuck and I don't want to be punished in the middle of an 80 hour playthrough for picking the "goat milking" skill instead of the "cow tipping" skill.

Fucking come at me.

>>376220623
>learning new rules explained on 1000 page long manuals
But reading manuals is fun.

>>376220623
>but I'd rather play New Vegas than Fallout 1 and 2

But the normal is to believe NV > F1/2

Learning some ruleset to make your characters shouldn't be something so bad if the game has difficulty settings. You go randomly in easy and by the end of the game you already noticed you made many mistakes in character creation, like giving a power strike feat to a character you only use the multihit attack instead. Then you apply this to medium in your next playthrough.

The problem is not the casualization, is the change of gaming mindset

>>376217325
That's so shallow

I really wish RPGs would stop handholding with screen pop-ups and minimap markers. Not only does it kill any sense of exploration, the very drive to actually explore your surroundings, it really does condition the player to actively not explore, to not deviate from the beaten path.

>>376220895
Arcanum's manual is pure ecstasy, but in general, especially as a weary oldfag I'd rather spend my vidya time playing vidya, instead of learning to play it.

>>376221183
The correct way to learn how to play a videogame is playing it.

>>376220623
Fallout 1 and 2 aren't even that good, it just become hip to enjoy them after FO3 released.
Other than that I really disagree with you, older games are in general better and more fun to play than modern equivilants. Getting immersed in a game and how it works mechanically is a ton of fun, especially if it's somewhat complex and can be applied in interesting ways.

Age of Decadence was really cool, one of the best rpgs I've played in the last couple of years.

>>376217292
for sure. i played 20+ hours of it last year, just didn't got to finish it and now i've forgotten what i was up to

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Might and Magic 6 best RPG

>>376221030
Video games aren't really worth my time, as let's say, films, so I would rather watch and learn more about films, than playing every video game ever made.
And I really don't want to play a game with sexualised children.

>>376220623
>I've repurchased many classic isometric RPG's on GOG and/or Steam but I find myself getting bored with the tedium of fiddling with their antiquated mechanics and interfaces.
iktf

I love Baldur's Gate but each playthrough takes so long that I often give up somewhere during ToB.

Why are these games even called JRPGs if you don't roleplay in most of them? You're just following a group of characters and ensure they'll complete their task.

>>376221534
For me it's the opposite, even if I want to watch a movie I usually end up playing vidya instead. interactivity beats passive watching.

>And I really don't want to play a game with sexualised children.
>being this afraid of your own sexuality

>>376217292
>is this game enjoyable?
yes

>>376221448
It is pretty good but so is Wizardry 8.

>>376221745
Classic pen and paper RPGs were also often degraded to dungeon crawlers, with players building their characters purely based on minmaxing and powergaming instead of playing a role.

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>>376222109
I used to get my ass kicked at wizardry for the NES, but it was fun. Modern games are too nice and forgiving.

>>376221793
>afraid
Really? You think it's okay to have half naked children shown in media? Or cartoon characters that look like 5 year olds? It's sick, that's why I detest playing this crap, it brought many weird fetishes that aren't really safe.

>>376213969
Is the term RPG obsolete?

I think it should be, because games have changed significantly in the past 20 years and have a huge variation.

>>376221534
>with sexualised children.
This is so ridiculous to spout while talking highly of films, an industry that dwells in pedophilia

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>>376222218
I only played Wizardry 8, but to be honest I got a bit bored when reaching the first town and never finished the game.

It's still on my backlog, want to give the game another chance.

>>376217434
FBFBPFBPFBPFBPFBFBF

>>376218886
This, ARPG best RPG
Any news on dzieje khorinis?

>>376222318
>I only played Wizardry 8, but to be honest I got a bit bored when reaching the first town and never finished the game.
The first town?Do you mean Trynton or Arnika?

>>376222294
Examples? And don't say Polanski.
And by the way, if the film dwells in such themes, then it is for a reason (example - Taxi driver), unlike Anime where it's a normal occurrence, or even worse, idolized.

>>376222490
Not sure, it was like 2 or 3 years ago.
I cleared the first dungeon, traveled some roads and got into a town.

>>376213969
RPG are for slow people that think they can solve every problem with words and that there is always a "neutral" way to do things.

Unless is just a game with RPG elements like stats like Dark Souls.

>>376222234
>it brought many weird fetishes that aren't really safe.
So what you're saying is that your afraid you'll start raping little kids if you play those games? This is literally a (you) problem, there's nothing wrong with sexualized 12-16 year olds.

>>376222651
I play RPGs as well as Quake. Dark Souls is not fast at all.

>>376221362
>Fallout 1 and 2 aren't even that good, it just become hip to enjoy them after FO3 released.

what grade were you in when FO3 came out

>>376222651
top bait

>>376222818
Second year of highschool, ie college for americans.

>>376222656
I'm saying that already there are fetishes that exist because of this. Look at My little pony, that shit spanned some weird shit, and Internet is one big cesspool for these kinds of things, so it's even easier to brainwash and put queer thoughts in someone's mind.
If you're interested in fetishes, how they work, and so on, try reading Freud, he had some wild and false ideas, but mostly he was right.
>there's nothing wrong with sexualized 12-16 year olds.
I won't comment this

>>376222651
RPGs are for people with imagination who enjoy socializing. Everything from Dark Souls to the standard turn based single player stat building game like JRPGs barely qualify for roleplaying.

>>376222234
>it brought many weird fetishes that aren't really safe.

i dunno man, AIDs is pretty bad but everyones loves the gays now; i dont see your point

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B U T

Who has better dungeon crawlers? The West or Japan?

>>376222956
>college

That's after highschool, dumbass.

>>376222318
How much of that is actually accurate?

>>376223260
You go to college after 12 years of school or 9? 9-12 is highschool atleast where i live

>>376223013
People will have strange fetishes regardless, in my opinion it is much safer to let people have their fap material rather than to deny them resulting in them playing them out in real life. The prescence of illicit porn material is directly correlated with lower crime/rape rates.

>>376223260
We don't have college, we have an equivilant called highschool. What an american would call highschool we call youth school and is generally considered to be a part of elementary school.

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>>376220623
Same boat. It's funny how there is insane amount of criticism for games that force you to do a tutorial or a little bit of handholding only in the beginning to get you knowledgeable about the mechanics and people bitch and have over 10k videos on youtube. But they never criticize RPGs for doing the same shit with their retarded ass rule mechanics that boils down to RNG in the end and the combat not being fun.

Whenever I go back and play those old games I get bored fast, not only because my standards have dramatically improved but because I now notice how heavily flawed they are. And it's not like I'm saying that modern games are better lmao most of them are not.

What modern games need to do is a mixture of the old and new. Just get us to the gameplay, no gimmicks, take out waypoints, let us explore, artificial difficulty, none of these scripted events, none of this overly retarded complicated mechanics, perfect real time combat that requires some skill and you are on your way.

>>376223587
all of it

>>376223620
>People will have strange fetishes regardless
This is true, but these fetishes wouldn't even exist in the first place, if there wasn't a source of it.

>>376220623
Fallout 1 and 2 rules are simple as fuck, same with Divinity OS. Congrats on being retarded.

>>376223785
Pony porn is just a continuation of much older fetishes involving actual animals. People have been fucking farm animals for millennia. How does it even matter to you what people get off to?
As long as you don't go out and hurt people I couldn't care less if you wank it to dogs, horses or grannies. I do understand the point about cp being a direct result of crimes, which is why I think it's a good thing not a bad thing that you have sexualized children in anime/video games etc. No one gets hurt and the actual crazies out there has an alternative other than acting out against real kids, same goes for dolls.

>>376222545
I am speaking of the industry itself that's filled to the brim with perverts and worse

>>376222443
Still in production, I think it takes so long because of voice acting (professional actors are doing it for free so they dictate the time)

Is Avernum as good as I've heard it is? Also heard Geneforge is pretty good.

>>376224242
This is all true, but when there's a public, there WILL be sick and real shit, I'm talking about zoophilia, pedophilia, necrophilia... being filmed and shared on the Internet, because some can't be satisfied by cartoon recreation of it.
>>376224324
You mean Hollywood?

>>376224526
both are good. pretty fun and well written but the graphics are dogshit

Geneforge is the most interesting.

>>376224842
There will always be sick shit, my point is that there will be LESS of it if you give people an alternative. The worst people will commit crimes either way, but the average pedo doesn't want to rape a kid, give him an alternative and 9 out of 10 times he'll be satisfied by that. By trying to shut it all down and prosecuting people you end up forcing this stuff underground and the result is more crime.
And there is literally nothing wrong with zoophilia as long as you're not violent with the animal.

Is underrail good?

Spellforce is fun

>>376225190
t. degenerate pony raper

>>376225190
>there is literally nothing wrong with zoophilia
I can think of many wrong things about it.

>>376214121
I remember JRPGs having multiple endings before any WRPG did, its funny to think how little choice and consequence before stuff like the original Fallout came out there was in the old CRPG

>>376225441
yes, I swear by underrail. love that game to death.

Are there any good CRPGs where you're like a religious crusader style operative who gets to lead forces and smite people like elves or non-believers or savages/bandits stuff like that? Like Dragon Age Inquisition except you're a tyrant.

>>376225731
>he doesn't enjoy cute girls playing with a musky horse dong

>>376225773
>he doesn't enjoy cute girls playing with dogs

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>>376213969

>anything goes

That's good. Cause I'm wondering if anyone has played the Drakensang series other than me. I felt it was a very solid RPG series that was largely overlooked because it was based on what is essentially German D&D.

>>376225190
>There's nothing wrong with zoophilia
t. A fucking leaf

>>376213969
> posting pic of one of most comfy 90s rpgs made

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>>376214121
>tfw when I agree with this due to WRPGs allowing for more role playing
>tfw I dislike Tolkein/medieval fantasy settings
>tfw next to no WRPGs aside from the Fallout series or Deus Ex series take WRPGs out of the Tolkein setting

Please wake me from this hell.

>>376225967
>essentially German D&D
>The Dark Eye
You should check out Realms of Arkania, it's also based on it, and it's much better.

is there any hope for wasteland 3

>>376220623
This guy gets it. Completely agree with you. Maybe it's the fact that nowadays there's not much time for anything or life is complicated, so we want to play something that gives us instant satisfaction. At least that's true for me.

what's Inquisitor like?

>>376226289
motb pst arcanum vtmb

oh shit named almost all the good ones, you're on to something anon

>>376224071
They are simple, but the problems he point out still stand.

In Fallout 1 and 2, it's possible to make a worthless build since 70% of the skills are useless outside of some situational circumstances. This make getting through places like the Temple of Trials next to impossible if you don't have the right build. FO3 and NV both improved on this by ensuring any challenge could be overcome by any build imaginable.

The game also does a poor job (as in it doesn't at all) explaining how to deactivate combat or that you can cycle between different types of attack when using unarmed.

All it would have taken was a single on screen prompt explaining these things before getting right back to the game. This is what 3 and NV did in their tutorials.

I wish I could get into this genre.

>tfw love the party building and open-ended quests but fucking hate how shitty and RNG-based the combat is

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what did he mean by this?

>>376228205
This is why ARPGs/ RPGs with real time combat are the best.

>>376221793
>>376222656

>avoiding something because you're disgusted by it means you feel insecure

What sort of retarded mindset is this?

>>376228323
what game?

>>376228323
>2 DEXs in party
you are bad at the game

>>376228501
Divinity: Original Sin aka the only WRPG with good combat.

>>376228559
was afriad You would say that. So gald I only pirated it. The writing was so goddamn awful I uninstalled it after 4 or so hours.

>DiviOS fanboys still overhyping their average game

Underrail is in the latest Humble Bundle, what are your thoughts on it in comparison to other acclaimed WRPGs? I'm not obsessed with graphics or anything but it looked kinda ugly

>>376228626
>bad writing
yeah maybe if you're 13 or havent read a single book in your life

>>376216398
>JRPGs are always bashed for "samey" anime graph

No, your shitty japanese games bashed for shitty graphics.

If all anime-style games would look as good as CC2s Naruto then no one would complain.

>>376228729
> reading books
> reading fantasy

Pick one, and only one.

>>376228729
i've read more books than you have and i agree with him that the writing is fucking awful
the combat is also fucking awful
can't believe i paid money for that shit

>>376217292
definitely
treat it as something halfway between DII and BGs

>>376228359
The other anon implied he avoided it because he was scared of enjoying it.

>>376228538
>Picked Bairdotr when i'm too jewish to use magic arrows.
Yes.
>Fell for the water+electricity combo mage.
Yes.
>Actually put points into Loremaster.
Yes.

>>376227940
You can complete the temple with basically any build, I don't know why that gets brought up so much when its the rest of the world thats liable to kill you. It also takes ten minutes to talk through.

The ants don't do any damage, they're slow, you can just ignore them if you have 4+AP, and you can sneak past the end if you're really determined to be literally incapable of doing anything yourself.

>>376228864
i've wrote more successful books than you and i think the writing is superb
i've designed successful RPGs and i think the combat is great
worth every penny

>>376229215
i've read and written no more or less books than you and i think the writing is average
i've played an average number of successful rpgs and i think the combat is so-so
worth renting

>>376228860
>limiting choices to bring people down to his low level of intelligence
If you look at it, the more freedom an RPG offers a modern player, the more turned off they are from playing it.

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>>376229215
>no punctuation
>no capital letters
>wrote
2/10 I replied

>>376229474
ain't that the fuckin' truth, dude

People are so afraid of making the wrong choices that they simply abstain from choosing at all.

>>376223193
Who cares about dungeon crawlers? The West or Japan?

>>376229159
The ants and traps aren't the problem.
The problem is that forced fist fight at the end. If you're not a combat build, you just have to pray that the RNG saves you.

>>376229474
> implying reading fantasy should ever be considered 'reading'.

That's like saying softporn or detective novels are worthwhile. Please kys

>>376229215
I slap my dick on the keyboard and save the result in a .txt file on a nightly basis and once I read the letters page in Hustler and I think the writing is better than Shakespeare
I designed an art installation based on AD&D 2nd edition and feces and I think the combat is the best game mechanic in the history of video games
Worth a torrent

>>376213969
What game?

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>>376229215
> i've wrote more successful books than you and
heh

>>376229697
Soft porn is great though, especially if you plan on edging. The more you leave to the imagination the better.

>>376229662
You can savescum steal the key from him and never fight him.

>>376218886
of course gothic has been topped, you even LINKED a fucking picture of gothic 2

>>376228717
amazing game
great crafting

>>376227184
but isn't motb in the forgotten realms setting, which is very very similar to the above mentioned Tolkien/medival setting.

arcanum as well, plus shit gameplay

closing with pst's shit gameplay

btw played with all of them and liked them.

also vtmb is a good example and game for >>376226289

why are Larian fuckboys so defensive and easily triggered
they are worse than Obsidian fans

feels strange to say this, but Shadowrun: Dragonfall was the only new-wave cRPG that I really liked & played to completion

I see a lot of talk about Divinity Original Sin. I bought a Divinity game but I don't think it's the one people are talking about. The combat is like an offline MMORPG. I thought it was pretty fun but I stopped playing it after I got to the first major boss I guess. Did the developers just completely revamp the style of the game for this installment? I keep hearing that the Divinity people are talking about is an isometric RPG.

>>376223587
>How much of that is actually accurate?
It missed the part where some of those hero parties carry plot-critical items, so you do actually need to fight them. And those plot-critical items are not highlighted as such; they are just the unidentified "a helmet" or "a staff" that you need to take, identify, and hope they aren't cursed. And even then, the game doesn't identify them as plot-critical. The game just assumes you'll know that the item is important and hang onto it, or the game just assumes that you will hold onto your one-time-use item and use it at the appropriate spot, as opposed to any of the hundred other places it would just be useful. And the game doesn't tell you that it is plot-critical, either.

Oh, and have fun in the hypercube.

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who /divinedivinity/ here?


one of the best rpgs ever

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>>376228559

>Divinity: Original Sin
>Good combat
>Good anything
>mfw

I bet you think Fallout 3 is a great RPG

>>376221745
>>376222206
A lot of pen and paper games grew out of table top games, which had codified combat mechanics. Those numbers and constrained playstyles work well to video game logic.

>>376230646
Nothing weird about that, Dragonfall is fucking amazing. I played Hong Kong expecting a similar feeling but was let down, finished both games but where Dragonfall is legit a 9-10/10 CRPG for me Hong Kong gets a 6.

Whats a good Dungeon crawler to get into nowadays?

>>376233169
piss off.

>>376234117
Become a salaryman

>>376228323
>This guy asks me to meet him in the inn
>Go up there
>Since it was clearly supposed to be a private conversation, close the door behind me
>This was HIS door and I didn't have his permission to interact with it, so he starts attacking me, along with everyone else on the floor
>Kill them all in self-defense, then pay the guards a fine for trespassing

This game was weird

>>376230084
As a series?

>>376234117
Grimrock if you haven't played it already, also I guess sytem shock 1 for something a bit different.

>>376228559
Icewind Dale has amazing combat.

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>>376225967
The Dark Eye is decent. River of Time is great and seriously underappreciated.

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What can change the nature of a man?

>>376235189
/b/

>>376235189
/d/

>>376235189
no gf

>>376235189
/r9k/

>>376235189
/mlpol/

>>376236114
/fitlit/ was best

>>376234526
>go to inn
>violate the NAP
>get turned into fine bloody mist by ELF-120 magic missiles
Such is life

>>376233932
I felt the exact same way, I even dropped HK partway through. What was it that made HK so much less compelling? I'm not even sure myself.

>>376236212
That actually sounds pretty good.

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>>376236212
I really enjoyed /cock/, we're not allowed to have jack and food gore threads very often.

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>>376236212
agreed

it was too good for this world, RIP

>>376236458
Best thing is that Katie was back on Youtube that day.

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>>376225441
It's very exploration and combat focused game. No map though, so prepare to get lost if you dont have good memory.
Combat and crafting are very enjoyable.

>>376235189
A good combat.

>>376225967
I played the first one, it was nice. The ruleset was also used in Blackguards if I'm not mistaken.

>>376236531
>I really enjoyed /cock/

As expected of anon.

>>376225441
I really liked it, it's basically Metro meets fallout and very immersive.

>>376214121
They have more in common than they have differences. This East vs. West obsession in RPG communities needs to stop.

>>376225441
"Magic" system that is more magic than any of the recent RPGs got in them.

>>376237298
y-you too

>>>/gif/10555178
I wish we could have sound webms on other boards.

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>>376237057
Yeah. Also in Demonicon. And if you like this setting, there is also a serie of adventure games set in Aventuria. Memoria and Chains of Satinav.

>>376236340
HK is just a whole lot grimier and more unpleasant. DF is a pretty positive, fun adventure story. HK it feels like everyone's trying to screw you over and the city is a huge shithole. Also Is0bel is one of the worst characters I've ever seen in an RPG, she is completely unbearable and useless.

>>376231073
You bought Divinity 2. It was hugely ambitious but ended up being shit.

>>376234117
Depends on what you want out of a dungeon crawler. Puzzles vs. combat, turn-based vs. real-time, hand drawn map vs. automap.

>>376238918
Combat, turn base, either

>>376239038
Etrian Odyssey, SMT Strange Journey, supposedly Grimoire and Bards Tale 4 will come out this year so they'd probably be good choices too. Turn based combat-centric dungeon crawlers are mostly a Japanese thing these days.

>>376219573
So call it "playing dressup", then. Because "customization" does not end where you think it ends, and Jagged Alliance is actually ridiculously customizable.

Fuck RPGCodex

>>376238769
I also think that there's a lot more of a feeling of agency and personal connection in DF than in HK. You're there when Monica gets killed and your team is ambushed, and you're taking it upon yourselves as a team to solve the mystery and get revenge. In HK you don't really have a reason to care about Raymond, and you're just doing Auntie Cheng's bidding in the hopes that she won't screw you over, with the plot against you feeling nebulous and out of your control, as well as all the dream stuff feeling pretty bog-standard.

Also the Matrix changes in HK just made it pointlessly tedious and did not work well with the gameplay at all

>>376226087
But it's not 90s, it was released in 2002

>>376223193
Japan is the only one still consitently making them so they have the better ones by default, I guess. In terms of level design you'll be hard pressed to find anything western that topples King's Field 4.

>>376239425
Yeah, the matrix revamp was a huge mistake. What they had in DF was fine. They spent a huge amount of time and effort making a new system that required levels that were harder to design and in the end it played worse than what they already had.

Well maybe after Mechwarrior we'll get another SR game.

>>376239217
Hey man, thanks for the recs.

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Let me remind you, what is the best RPG.

>>376234741
not him but as individual games Gothic 1 and 2 are some of the best RPG's i've ever played.
If you want to compare the series to others you have to include 3 and Arcania spinoff or not it's set in the universe and part of the series which really draws it back.

>>376226289
VTMB and KOTOR don't have a Tolkein setting

>>376213969
I really like serpent in the staglands
it's really hard, but i like it

>>376239315
Fuck you, Drog.

>>376239940
Don't stick your dick in crazy

>>376239297

This

>>376239548
Prey just came out and its basically a dungeon crawler in the same way System Shock is. It's pretty great too. Western Dungeon Crawlers aren't completely dead, they just aren't common anymore and the few that do get made often end up becoming rogue-lite trash.

>>376239940
Too bad she kind of just fucks off if she let her live. You'd expect the cover art character to play a way bigger role in the game. Definitely best girl, at least when it comes to design and voice.

>>376213969
I love Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate 2, and Fallout 1.

I hate most of the other ones or I'm indifferent towards them.

It's kinda weird.

Like I absolutely despise FO2 and BG1 and I can't get into Arcanum despite the setting being really neat to me. But Planescape was one of my favorite experiences of all time.

>>376231926

Does it still hold up?
Original Sin is one of my favorite games ever, I 've been wanting to play the other Divinity games

>>376240517
BG1 should only be played if it's your first time and you want to make the journey longer. Fallout 2 isn't bad but objectively it's worse than 1. Arcanum is great but I hate the way it looks.

>>376240517
Planescape nailed the "interesting world and atmosphere", not only in the main story, but in the side quests as well

Like, I've forgotten most side quests in RPGs that I've played, but I still remember wandering around the Hive and finding the guy who was weeping for his dead city and freeing him by writing its name on the wall of dead names

>>376240589
I played D:OS first and loved it, went back to play Divine Divinity and thought it was shit. Imo only controlling one character is really boring in a combat heavy RPG, especially after coming off Original Sin. Maybe if you like ARPGs you'll like Divine Divinity but don't go in expecting Original Sin, they're almost nothing alike aside from the setting.

>>376238836
I liked it. It was nice turning into a dragon and the mindreading was a nice touch.

I like all the Divinity games though, except Beyond, which I haven't played.

>planescape enhanced edition has a universal bug where Drusilla just vanishes

reeee
one month and still no patch

>>376240656
I wanted to like BG1, I really tried, but goddamn it is so boring. Low level D&D combat is painfully dull.

>>376240589
Yeah, I played it after playing Div 2 and Original Sin and I liked it. It's really fun.

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Tomorrow Alvora Tactics is coming out, which is pretty damn cool.

An SRPG with a big random dungeon sounds right up my alley.

>>376220623
I know that feel when I first played BG2. I got a game collection with no manual.

>What is THACO
>Why are negative numbers better
>Why is combat so fucking hard
>Death is permanent?
>Save or Death spells?
>Why is this fucking wizard in a robe immune to melee attacks


So much bullshit I had to learn on my own. I had to google THACO to understand what the fuck that was about.

FO2 also never gave you any warnings that you dont get a gun at the start. So my Gun/speech dude was kinda fucked until I stumbled onto guns.

Daggerfall can go right to hell for including all those skills that are objectively worthless like the languages.

I know this thread is militant against jrpgs, but I got to hand it to the design of jrpgs like CT and FF6, all their systems were perfectly explained and I never had a moment where I fucked myself from the start of the game.

>>376241378
>bit graphics

No thank you.

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>>376240656
>Fallout 2 objectively worse than 1

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>>376225441
It's fucking great.

Fun exploration, fun combat. Lots of viable builds.
Hard to "Fuck yourself over", as most info is apparent.

Can't wait for the DLC, gonna make a machete\shotgun slayer.

(Also on sale on Humble at the moment so fucking get it)

>>376239038
You can also check out Starcrawlers, and Stranger of Sword City.

>>376241456
They are basic, yeah. But the animations and details make up for it imo

>>376240739
Planescape is a fucking experience. Everything about that world drew me in. The combat was absolute dog shit but it's only rpg where I looked at my quest log said "Wait on that I'm gonna explore" and the game didnt punish me for it with badass monsters or nigh impossible encounters. I died a lot, but it was usually in fights where I stood a chance.

But honestly, stumbling onto the brothel of intellectual pleasures or finding that weird memory stone and reading about a past memory were moments that just blew my mind. It felt like side shit that had maximum effort put into the concept, writing, and execution.

>>376241378
Nice. I really liked the first game

>>376225441
It's great. A bit more exploration and combat focus, not as much on dialogue. NPCs are fun to interact with but don't expect to solve everything in a social way. The dialogue is interesting but not very dynamic and you don't have a lot of choices as to how you approach the social side, but you still get multiple ways to complete the quest and so on.

Also the music is fucking amazing and it's very, very atmospheric. I don't remember being so immersed into an isometric game since probably Fallout. Can't wait for the xpac.

Just get it anon. I already want to play it again, so do it in my stead!

The Faceless did nothing wrong.

>>376241597
Is it gonna add shotguns? Fuck yes.

I already heard about the jet skis which I think are a great way to cut down on travel time.

>>376241463
I'm the guy he responded to.

I didnt like Fallout 2 for a number of reasons all stuck in the first few hours.

1. Tribals- I hate tribal aesthetics, stories, and characters. I find them uninteresting and usually played out.
2.The beginning- The fact I didnt start with a gun whereas FO1 gave me a gun and a knife threw me through a loop and made my build absolutely frustrating to play. I've never liked Melee in FO, so this really bugged me.
3. The story- It was a retrend of the first from the start only less interesting and with no time limit. Because of that I felt totally unengaged.
4. The humor- the 90s memes and humor fell flat with me. I will admit that it has some funny scenes (the sarge), but seeing bandit go Hasta La Vista, got me sighing. It was a minor thing but I found it annoying.
5.The tone- It felt lighter and less oppressive than FO1. I know there's dark shit in the game, but the beginning with the funky tribal music and the wild west town just didnt resonant with me. I felt New Vegas handled the wild town vibe I was getting a whole lot better.

>>376241702
Eh, I was just ragging on bit graphics because they're usually the sign of being mediocre indie game #439, but I'll give it a try.

>>376242634
When's release?

>>376214274
The game runs like absolute shit on my computer, so I bought it but can't play it.

>>376217292
It's one of the best games I ever played desu. The 2 bad things about it are the fact that the biggest dungeon in the game is at the very beginning and it takes a while to go through it especially as a new player. The dungeon in itself is fun, at times hard(especially if it's your first time) but the problem is that it gives a bad impression of what the game is. It's not a dungeon crawler at all.

The second thing is that the end-game area feels extremely rushed and bland.

Everything else is absolutely great.

>>376213969
Why do CRPGs usually have terrible beginnings?

>>376242762
None of these are objective except no gun at the beginning.

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Thoughts on Dragon Age: Origins?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWFEVbfCcOY&ab_channel=DurealFirali

Still my favourite game of all time, personally.

Which also raises the question, do you prefer voiced protagonists or text-based dialogue options in RPGs? Personally very much the latter. I wish they would return to it in future instalments.

>>376213969

at least post the name of the game you gabagool

>>376243380
Voiced protagonist is the cancer that ruined new RPGs. Along with shallow dumbed down mechanics.

>>376243380
Mediocre.

>>376243380
DA:O is okay, not great, kinda generic. The combat would have been pretty decent but I despise the obsession with traps on dex-based characters.

I can count on one hand the number of games that have actually been improved by voice acting, meanwhile there are countless examples of voice acting hurting games.

>>376243380
Voiced protags are fine if the studio gives a shit about what they're making. See Gothic, Witcher etc. But yeah, most voiced protag rpgs suffer for it.

I really liked Origins, I replayed it a lot when it came out. Awakening was good too, I'm a sucker for player bases.

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>>376214121
hahahhahahaha

>>376243905
I like these bait images, please post more. The more over the top the better.

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>>376244105
Is it over the top even when it's true?

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>>376213969
>>>/vg/

>>376243405
dumb tripcode poster, it's in the filename

>>376244545
What's the one next to Gothic 2, under Amalur?

>>376244676

who the fuck do you think you're taking that tone of voice with?

>>376244394
Only when the truth is based on the finest of cherrypicks, like in these images.

>>376214121
good jRPG > good wRPG
average wRPG > average jRPG
bad jRPG > bad wRPG

>>376243380
DA:O is okay but it's far inferior to all the older RPGs.

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>>376244105

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What are some games like DA:O origins (just an example)?
Games where there is room for character customization and there is real time combat where you can pause.

I heard Baldur's gate is the king of these type of games but does it still hold up?

Also tried divinity original sin but didn't like it for some reason.

>>376243905
>time travel without plot holes
kek

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>>376244105
This one is good.

>>376244676
Looks like Sacred 2.

And it's under Two Worlds.

>>376243380
Felt like Baldur's Gate with MMO combat but I really liked it.

>>376223193
The west for sure. Japs do make some good wiz clones though.

Okay /v/

I've beat Icewind Dale 1 & 2, Planescape, Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny
I've played Arcanum, Divinity: OS up to 80 hours in, Gothic 1

Never played any of the old ones like BG 1 or 2, FO 1 or 2, Sacred, Divinity, Ultima, or any of that.
What should I play next?

>>376227940
I'm sorry you were too dumb to put points into at least one combat related skill in a post apocalyptic wasteland.

>>376245717
finish what you started. fag

>>376245147
Where's the bait? Both look awful.

>>376245717
FO1 then 2 then BG1/2. BG 1 is very boring and I would only go through it if you really have the time. It does enhance the BG 2 experience just not a lot. Don't bother with Ultima.

>>376243158
Which all of them are reasons I hate FO2.

I dont care what you think about it. You can like that game if you wish, but I thought it was trash compared to the first.

Also no gun at the beginning will always be unforgivable to me.

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>>376244105

>>376223193
Japs will always be behind west in rpgs until they learn to include at the very least positioning elements. just selecting attacks or defense is unacceptable.

and while theyre add it they could try actually letting the player build a character instead of auto-level up for once.

>>376228559
correction, the only combat you comprehend and therefore do not suck at.
Plenty of other WRPGs with good combat.

>>376243905
>Chrono Trigger has no plothole
lol

>>376244902
I'm wondering where my Western WW2 rpg is...

>>376243905
It is almost like you knew people would laugh at you and posted it anyway.

>>376228559
Don't you have a say something nice about her thread to be making.

>>376245252
If you've played DAO then you can expect Baldur's Gate to be an isometric version of it. Besides the D&D mechanics of BG, the major difference between the two is the combat. Combat in DAO is a numbers game where you want your tank, DPS, and healer all to have the highest numbers they can, while combat in Baldur's Gate is all about spells and counter spells. Leveling up in BG doesn't mean all that much, what makes the difference in combat is the spells you know and when to use them. I found Dragon Age to be more difficult than the BG series, mainly because the combat in BG is almost like a puzzle where you have to figure out the correct spells to use but once you do it's piss easy.

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>>376246380
spellcross

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Hey, how come no one told me this came out?

>>376221030
And so is dismissing a game just because it's not made on a small island nation.

>>376245252
BG2 does.

BG1 is about low level DnD combat which is boring to me.

BG2 has full party replacement, the full class toolkit of that early edition of dnd, an open-ended adventure to get money for a final mission, and a great amount of spells and items to use in combat. Also some decent roleplay here or there and a decentish romance where you can fail to impress her.

Also there's a paladin you can accidentally cause to go insane and attack you (it happened to me).

>>376246454
Different anon, huge DA fan/big into RPGs/CRPGs in general but BG is the main one I haven't played, does it generally get discounted during the steam sales or should I cave and get it some time this week? Looking for something to play.

>>376245252
The old Infinity engine games include Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, and Planescape. Arcanum is similar too.

>>376246631
because its not worth playing until they add the rest of the promised game with the goty edition and the writing reads like a planescape fanfic from less talented author

>>376246380
That is again a picked cherry.

Where is the JRPG extradimensional city on the inside of a ring-formed plane of existence where you play an absolutely immortal guy?

Where is the JRPG where you are the reincarnation of a divine tree?

Just because there is no real facsimile it does not automatically follow that one is better than the other simply because of that, or anything in your silly little images.

>>376213969
What is this game called?

>>376246530
What exactly am I looking at and why do I want to play it?

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>>376246917

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>>376246380
Here you go.

>>376246719
>huge DA fan

I'm sorry for you, bud.

>>376247071
Eh, I like it. Can understand why a lot of people here don't but I enjoy the lore, story and characters more than anything.

>>376246380
Silent Storm?

>>376246797
Huh? I dont care about that. That image just reminded me I wanted to find more rpgs that dont have swords, armor, and not-medieval europe in them.

>>376246047
Than don't claim that one is objectively better than other.

>>376246719
I don't think it goes on sale often, maybe buy a key for it. Some might tell you to skip the first game but it's still worth a playthrough, BG1 isn't as good or complex as BG2 so it's good to introduce you to the D&D 2e ruleset because it's simpler than the second game. Also the story is better in 1.

>>376245717
>Pillars of Eternity
How did you manage to finish it? It's so tedious.

>>376246932
Allied forces VS orc platoon

Is Sword Coast Legends worth a pirate? What about Serpent in the Staglands?

>>376247732
I like RTwP combat a lot. Divinity: OS got real tedious and boring though

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>>376225527
It is fun, you don't have to spoiler it anon.

>>376244545
>nier on tomato
>jrpg
>bod
>rpg

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>>376244105

>>376246232
Ever tried SMT?

>>376248165
>>nier on tomato
>>jrpg
I've noticed that nierfags tend to change whether or not nier is an RPG based on whats being criticized about it.

>>376246232
Quite a bit of jap games have all these.

>>376246631

I heard that you have very little combat in it. Like you can make your character as combat-orientated person and yet being unable to solve quests in the brutal way.

Is that true?

I enjoyed latests Shadowrun games for having a choice in that matter, but I dont like being forced to do either.

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>>376226289
Jagged Alliance 2 1.13 my friend

>>376243905
10/10 made me kek

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if you haven't beaten Wizardry IV you're a casual

>>376248380
SMT doesn't have positioning though. And from what I remember you have very limited control over your party member's stats, and there's also quite a lot of randomness involved with fusing and gaining new abilities.

>>376249383
>RPG
I guess

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>>376213969
>ctrl-f betrayal
>no results

/v/ populated by underages confirmed

>>376249593
Well do you mean positioning like setting up a tank to draw aggro then have casters and rogues in the background doing crowd control and DPS and stuff or what?

>>376249621
Does this still hold up?

>>376249621

3 years til wizardhood and while TV and mass media in general consider me "old", /v/ consider me young instead.

I dont know anymore.

>>376249762
Among other things, yes. Think most SRPGs, the map is a 3D place where things like angle, range, and mobility matter, not just character boxes duking it out in a static 2D space.

>>376249823
I have it installed on my machine. Love the music, the adventure, the characters and towns, and the riddle chests. It's like a condensed TES game.

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>>376249614
What's not RPG about it?
>Stats
>Obtain objective in various ways
>Custom character that can be sexist as fuck
>Side quests

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love this game

>>376250730
>punch cows to raise STR to 100

So I finished Risen a couple of weeks ago and I enjoyed it a lot. Should I try the previous Gothic games? If so, which one?

>>376251358
1 and 2, in that order.
Pretend 3 does not exist.

>>376251358
1, 2 and 3 WITH the community patch. They're an excellent adventure. Ignore the expansion for 3 and Arcania they're absolute shit.

>>376251409
This is the worst meme.

Okay, can you help me?
I'm looking for an open world RPG to play at night, something cozy and with a world to lose myself in. Basically crap like TES
Bonus if it's actually good.

>>376251502
If you liked Gothic 3 you're probably gay. No normal well-adjusted man who played 1 and 2 liked it.

>>376249593
>SMT doesn't have positioning though
Devil Survivor. I don't really like SMT, but there are JRPGs that have positioning. Look at Grandia, Trails, FFT, and Tactics Ogre. Hell even Quest 64 had positioning mechanics if I remember right, not that I would recommend it.

>>376251610
Fuck off it's great, the patch fixes it completely. It was shit on release but that's neither here nor there.

>>376251610
For real. gothic 3 pukes. Not even the community patch can save it.

>>376249439
Anyone who bothered to play Wizardry 4 is a retard who lets RPG Codex's superiority complex think for them.

What are some games that follow bethesda/fallout's PC style, that is, instead of having a main party be the focus, it's just one person and maybe the occasional temporary tagalong?

>>376251409
>>376251502
Thanks familia. I'm gonna look these up.

>>376222206
On one hand, the RPG format was literally created for the singular purpose of shucking the war game trend of having nameless, faceless, featureless pawns as player characters, and instead giving them back stories and personalities and, you know, character.

On the other, RPG as a term has also been associated with character building and stats for almost as long, so it's kind of petty to insist they aren't RPGs because the focus is on stats and not roleplaying

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>>376251767
The only good thing that can be said about Gothic 3 is that it is a very pretty turd. But no patch will ever make it more than that.

>>376252597
Thanks, I'll check it out, but goddamn, didn't Spiderweb hear of good art style? At least it's not bad as Geneforge, that game was ugly.

>>376253140
*reuses assets from 1992 in every game*
it's Artistic Flavor dude

there's new remakes of avernum 1 and 2 and probably 3 soon that have better art and look okay, I haven't played them yet though