What is the deal with people who consider Skyrim better than

>>376211657
They are literal retards who were nursed back to life after being revived when taken out of the compost heap behind planned parenthood.

>>376212316
What kind of a /pol/ insult is that lmfao.

>>376211657
They rode the hype train, and were probably too young to have played oblivion when it was new. Skyrim had a much larger playerbase, and to be fair I can understand people praising Skyrim when they haven't played enough other games to put the good and bad into perspective.

>>376211657
I miss athletism :'(

>>376211657
What's the people who compare TES games when they are all shit games with shit combat, forgettable stories and EPIC battles fought by armies of 5 NPCs?

>>376212995
You descirbed Skyrim.

>>376211657
>fps 37

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>>376211657

What is the deal with people who consider Oblivion better than Skyrim?
Oblivion is to TES what Fallout 4 was to Fallout.
It is literally a game for N'wahs. Every fun element has been stripped.

>>376213051
I described the entire franchise.
It was fucking hilarious playing Morrowind after listening to all the nostalgiafags and finding out it was a more basic Skyrim with, somehow, worse combat and some fucking abominations in place of humans.

>>376211657
>Skyrim is to TES what Fallout 4 was to Fallout.
Its really nothing like that at all.

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Comfiest game.

I'd play the shit out of it again if oblivion gates and level scaling were fixed.

>>376211657
Do people actually like Fallout 3 enough to say Fallout 4 was going downhill? Because Fallout 3 is a fucking dumpster fire, and even if 4's shit it's probably better.

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>>376211657
>Fallout 4 was to Fallout.
Fallout 3 please. Lets not compare a generic Beth-turd with the best cRPG of all time.

>>376211657
I want athletics and acrobatics back. I hate that I can't go full retard on jumping in Skyrim.

Skyrim has more mods.

>>376211657
>What is the deal with people who consider Skyrim better than Oblivion?
Underaged fucks who started the series with Skyrim, and hardcore modders who have been modding TES since Daggerfall.

>Vanilla
Oblivion=Morrowind>Daggerfall>Arena>Skyrim
>Heavily modded
Skyrim>Oblivion>Morrowind>Daggerfall>Arena

>>376211657
Same retards who think Oblivion was better that Morrowind.

>>376213157
Fallout 3 at least had an emotional core to it and you could actually choose your what kind of person you were even if the result was the same. Fallout 4 didn't even present the illusion of choice. You were just one gup with a default personality already chosen

Everytime I try to replay Oblivion I just bored right away from the dull copy-paste environments and dungeons.

The same is for Skyrim, but I get bored of that because all the quests are so dull.

>>376213379
*guy

>Oblivion quest
>Dude is lost in his painting and needs help getting out

>Skyrim quest
>theres a cave full of not-zombies, go there and get an item in it

>>376211657
I tried playing Oblivion and dropped it after about an hour because the run speed was slower than skyrims walk speed.

>>376213291
you clearly started with oblivion if you think it's as good as morrowind

>>376213379
>Fallout 3 at least had an emotional core to it
I kind of didn't notice that in the face of my supermutant buddy telling me to die in the radiation machine that everyone wanted to turn on so hard the other guys sabotaged it and a gundam rampaged through the city because the BoS were the saviors of the world.

But maybe it got better in the DLC.

>>376213534
The Pitt was alright.

>>376211657

art design was better in Oblivion, but every time i install it/mod it to the max. i loose the will to play it

I played Oblivion before any other. Once I got hooked I went and bought Morrowind GOTY and its been my favorite ever since, only TES I haven't played is Redguard. Oblivion has weird comfy moments that just work. Morrowind has the most quality, Skyrim is the most accessible. I feel like I prefer mods for Morrowind more because they rely on text naturally but Skyrim has some really good ones. Nobody prefers Oblivion for its mods, pain in the ass that was.
>>376213493
What is with people who gottagofast? You know as you play and increase your attributes you move faster? It's called player progression. My problem with Skyrim is there's no curve, it's a fucking flat progression, even the shouts rarely get beefed up at full power.

>>376211657
>Skyrim to TES is what Fallout 4 was to Fallout
How da faq does that work? Then what the fuck Fallout 3 was to Fallout? aside from garbage

>>376213513
Actually I started with Daggerfall when I barely knew how to read my own language, let alone english. No idea why it was on my father's pc, like Doom or Lemmings since I never saw him play them.

And this is a shit argument, that's literally the same as saying "you can only like bloodborne more than souls games if you started with it, you can only think DMC3 is better if you started with it, RE4? pff, you think it's good because it's your first". And in this particular case, it's the same as saying "only someone who started with Morrowind can think it's better than the others".

Oblivion does things better than Morrowind, and things worse, but the overhaul result is just better.

>>376211657
god, oblivion is the ugliest game in the series

>>376213145
Comfy as fuck.

I never really understood the hate oblivion gates get, though. What's the problem with them?

>>376214096
Starting with Daggerfall, I'm suprised you're having issues understanding why people argue Morrowind>Oblivion
People said the same thing when Morrowind came out, that mechanically it was a casualization of the franchise.

>>376211657
Oblivion was a game for N'wahs. Their dark elves looked like grey humans with red irises.

>>376212389
A really dumb one that doesn't seem to understand how the world works. Bet they're a kid.

>>376213534
The ending to F3 was shit but if we're judging Bethesda games by the ending they're all shit. F3 was better than F4 because it had multiple quests more involved than anything in F4 and had multiple ways to approach them.
F3 tells you to rescue some enslaved kids then lets you buy your way in, enslave some people to get in, get let in for being evil or shoot your way in. Once inside you can help them sneak out, jailbreak them, buy them or just shoot everyone.
In F4 you've always got one option, shoot everyone. And that's ignoring the tacked on settlement building, the dialogue non-choices, the pipe shit weapons everywhere and legendary weapons that are just dicerolled crap instead of actual unique gear, the boring dlc and the rushed out way the game gives you power armour and has you kill a deathclaw leaving nothing to build up from there.

F3 is still a good enough companion to NV to make Tale of Two Wastelands a fun experience but F4 is just awful.

>>376214342
Still looks better than Gothic 3.

>>376213145
Just mod them?
Jesus consolecucks are pathetic.

>>376214374
I know right, just enter the gate, tcl to the tower, enter, tcl to the top, take sigil stone, ???, profit

>>376214485

funny when you consider that Skyrim uses the same textures that Gothic used back in '06

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>>376214342
Shut your whore mouth

>>376214486
Pretty pathetic post desu
why don't you take your consolewar shitposting to a separate thread

>>376214393
Morrowind is so bad in every area that isn't it's slightly above average story that it's an objectively worse GAME than oblivion

>>376214676
>bump
What did he mean by this?

>>376214676
Morrowind is a classic game for its world building not the story.

>>376214676
It's not an "objectively" worse anything, stop using that damn word. Morrowind certainly has many more RPG systems which are themselves more complex, and it also has much more original art direction.

Are you one of those people that think "real-time action combat = gameplay"? Because I really do wonder why such people insist on playing (and ruining) RPGs. Just play Dark Souls, it does real time combat much better than Skyrim and Oblivion ever did.

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>learn invisibility enchantment
>enchant full set of clothes
>perfectly invisible

>>376214374
>>376213145
A game must really have nothing for it when the only positive thing people can say about it is it's "comfy". Sounds like some reddit attribute for a game.

>>376214918
Or maybe people like games that they find 'comfy'.

Certainly better than sperging out over other people liking some aspect of a game or using a specific word.

>>376214903
>Spend thousands of Septims
>harvest Golden Saint souls AND spend thousands of Septims
Full invisibility is a meme anyway
>>376214918
A lot of really well written quests, acrobatics was hilarious at high levels and spell making was fun. Shivering Isles and KotN were really well done expansions, and the Mehrunes Razor dungeon is one of the best in the entire series.

If you have to install gorillion mods to get a slight enjoyment out of the game, maybe the game isn't worth playing to begin with?

>>376211657
>Skyrim is to TES what Fallout 4 was to Fallout.
It really isn't.
Skyrim still maintains the most important aspect of the TES series, which is that it is a Role-Playing Game.
You can't say that about Fallout 4.

We all wanted skyrim to be good, so we deluded ourselves that it was.

>>376215118
Modding is half the fun.

>>376211657
I don't know of any fun Oblivion element.
The only thing tes4 had going for it was the DB questline

>join murderes guild
>murder a bunch of people
>feel sad over murdering the qt with the beautiful booty
>chimp out and become a vampire
>now have to live a strict lifestyle and find some homeless man to suck blood off of for the rest of my life

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>>376214610

>>376215413
Also

>character is an old man
>look older when 1-2 days without blood
>have the murderer's guild latex skintight bodysuit
>wear that everytime I suck blood out of someone
>literally a 6.8" old man walking around in a skintight leather bodysuit sneaking up on people to suck blood out of them

>>376211657
You are describing Oblivion, the exact moment the series went to shit.

>>376215376
With the amount of time it takes to polish a turd, you are better off fucking around with game engines if you enjoy making assets or implementing mechanics.

>>376215202
No, the consumers decided that it was good. Doesn't change the fact that, compared to the rest of the franchise, it was a major casualization (to appeal to the consumers that made it successful)
>>376215405
Dungeon delving was more fun in Oblivion than Skyrim. Maybe it's just me but finding enchanted items in Oblivion was more fun and reliable than in Skyrim. The level design and scaling still sucks though.

>>376213110
Morrowind has better combat and magic than skyrim
Its only problem is the understandibly terrible animations

Can someone link a modlist?

>>376215624
No it doesn't, it's all absolute trash that only brain damaged people could have thought it was acceptable to feature that in their game.
Not a single Bethesda RPG has ever had decent combat.

Skyrim has a better looking world and more intuitive gameplay. This is not up for debate. The only thing oblivion does 100% right is 3 quest chains, and everybody knows which ones.

I can get normies who prefer Skyrim to Oblivion etc but people who love Morrowind but still think Skyrim is better than Oblivion absolutely disgust me, how can someone be so blind?

>>376215717
>d20 combat
>bad
Literal cancer killing videogames, you're the reason popamole shit has taken over RPGs

>>376212389
>>376214438
> t. baby killing faggots who don't value human life because their fucked up sexual orientations prevents them from creating it.

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>>376211657
Considering both games vanilla, ZERO mods, Skyrim is way better. Everything about Oblivion's core gameplay feels like absolute putrid shit compared to Skyrim's mediocre/passable gameplay. Oblivion doesn't have the roleplaying depth of Morrowind, but also doesn't have the decent action gameplay of Skyrim. The faces all look fucking terrible and they decided to make nearly every helmet open-faced. The level-scaling fucking ruins the entire game and is probably the worst mechanic I've ever seen in an RPG.

>>376215726
>skyrim having better world than morrowind

>>376215585
For mod creators, sure. But the average player enjoys installing new mods and enhancing their game. Even figuring out conflicts and fixing them, getting everything to work can be fun. A lot of times it just fucks up and you end up uninstalling everything though. Look man, I get it, Bethesda is lazy as fuck. A lot of their "innovations" have been taken straight from the Nexus front page. But the Elder Scrolls experience includes going out on your own and curating your own game experience. Is Morrowind a solid game? I think so and I've enjoyed countless hours of Vanilla/GOTY. But I've also enjoyed countless hours with the large amount of quality mods for it.

>>376215967
He isnt talking about Morrowind

>>376215673
http://www.predcaliber.com/oblivion-1

This is a good base, then you just do gameplay mods that change it if you want (I don't)

>>376211657
But both games are garbage unless you mod out their broken aspects, so it's a non-argument. Both are bad games that can be made into 9/10s with enough user-content.

>>376215967
He said better than Oblivion you mong.

>>376215967
My post was only comparing oblivion and skyrim.
Besides you can't tell what the hell morrowind's world looks like except bleak and foggy.

>>376215190
Roleplaying a stealth archer gets old eventually anon.

>>376213493
Unless you make the slowest build possible somehow Oblivion is incredibly fast and floaty in comparison to Skyrim. Skyrim was even made to feel more weighty due to all the complaints about Oblivion.

>>376214393
>I'm suprised you're having issues understanding why people argue Morrowind>Oblivion
I don't have issues understand why people prefer Morrowind, the same way I don't have issues understand why other people prefer Oblivion, or Daggerfall.

Both are fantastic games (just like every TES, except Arena because fuck Arena), and people will prefer the one that rubs them in the right places, or the one that gives them the best nostalgia feeling.

And yes, when Morrowind came out, Daggerfags were sperging out about how dumbed down it is, and how the only good things was the pretty graphics, but it was an insult to the oldschool RPG genre. Then Morrowfags were sperging out when Oblivion came out "muh streamlining, b-but muh memeshit spells, but muh dice roll combat millenials ruining everything again fucking shits".

Like what you want, it's fine, just accept that not everyone has the same opinion. I like every TES game, and in a vanilla experience I think Oblivion is better, it's streamlined but still a great RPG, it's fun, I liked the art design more, everything is smoother, and you don't have to bother with dice roll mechanics that are great for turn based isometric RPG but have no place in a real time first person game.

But since, for me at least, TES games are designed with modding in mind, and you've never played a TES game if you don't severely mod them, my favorite is Skyrim. Because they improved a lot of things, and with mods I can fix every other thing they streamlined, making it the deepest TES game. And I've also had a boner for snow and dragons since I was 3.

>>376215957
Thank you based anon for summing it up perfectly.

Morrowind is a great cRPG. Skyrim is a decent action RPG. Oblivion is a steaming turd.

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>>376211657
>>376215957

Mostly agree with this post.

I really enjoy Morrowind, and I *can* enjoy Skyrim for what it is.

I do not enjoy playing Oblivion at all. And I've tried several times throughout the years. I just install, mod up to the gills, and quit after about an hour.

I plan on buying and playing Skyrim on the Switch too.

>>376211657

Both games are shit without mods.

In Oblivion, you make the game bearable to play.

In Skyrim, you make the game have some sort of depth.

Both are equally broken, just for different reasons. Skyrim is more enjoyable as-is without mods, but it's less satisfying because what it lacks is depth, not playability.

>>376211657
I prefer Skyrim to Oblivion simply because modding Oblivion is a pain compared to the lego style modding of Skyrim. They need to release Oblivion Remastered already so that problem can go away.

>>376216039
You don't recommend OOO or the other large gameplay overhaul?

Do any of the games have any spooky mods?

>>376213475

this

skyrim got a way better engine/gameplay but all the wrriting/quest are pure, pure garbage

>>376216286
I'm a freak, I enjoy the base game-play so you might want to just make your own decision on that.

>>376216139
I feel you bro, cheers, there's no reason to meme about the games. At the end of the day, we're fans.

>>376213391
>Everytime I try to replay Oblivion I just bored right away from the dull copy-paste environments and dungeons.
You need Unique Landscapes. And people say Better Dungeons is good, though I've never tried it.

>>376216048

I agree with you, just want to add something

Normal mods
Skyrim>>>> Oblivion

Porn Mods
Oblivion>>>>Skyrim

>>376211657
Oblivion was that bad

>>376216029
This guy gets it.

>>376213994
>Fallout 3 was to Fallout
That's what Oblivion was to TES.

Posting kino
https://youtu.be/Lf-00VOnmxE
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>>376215852
>popamole
back to rpgcodex nostalgiafag

Someone needs to false flag Morrowind webms to wake the thread back up.

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>>376216583
>Oblivion ruined TES
It was merely a downgrade, not on the same scale as Fallout 3.

Oblivion is the worst of the modern TES games. Don't get me wrong, I do not like what Bethesda has turned the series into in the name of selling more copies.
The games have been "dumbed down" to appeal to a more casual player, I wish we could return to the days of Morrowind and New Vegas, but no, as time goes on and video games need to sell more in order to make up for their huge production costs and fancy graphics we will see the falout and Elder Scrolls games become more child or casual friendly.
Oblivion is clearly the half way point between the Bethesda RPG and the bethesda open world sandbox action-adventure game and this is why it is the weakest of the three ES games. Skyrim cannot be enjoyed if you go in expecting a hardcore role playing game where your actions have consequences and character building takes throughout, likewise, Morrowind can not be enjoyed as a casual experience that one can dip there toes into and go dungeoneering for a few hours.However skyrim can be enjoyed the way Morrowind cannot and vise versa. Oblivion is neither.
Oblivion is trapped in a strange purgatory where it is neither allowed to be a action adventure set in a strange, fascinating world nor can it be a complex role playing game about balancing factions, reputations and choices and so it is not fun.
Another reason Oblivion is so weak was briefly mentioned in that last paragraph, the world. Cyrodiil is not the frozen. beautiful, mountainous land steeped in Norse mythology that Skyrim is, nor is it the alien and intriguing land that isle of Vvardenfell was.
Oblivion is the middle child of the series, it is the stepchild that neither the mother nor father wishes anything to do with. It is bland and uninspired.

>>376218136
Nice opinion you got there, too bad the whole world has a different point of view.

>>376218136
>the world
C'mon it was fun as fuck to watch LotR and then play Oblivion.

>>376218319
Too bad everyone else is a FUCKING HEATHEN.
>Just kidding, people can like whatever the fuck they want.

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>>376218136
>and New Vegas
literally fo3 with better factions and dialogue

>>376218510
That;s the problem for me, the world was so generic (i.e Tolkien esque)

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>>376211657

>>376211657
Skyrim has more mods than Oblivion. You can perfect it to your needs.

When it comes to vanilla, I'll prefer Oblivion.

>>376218581
Exactly, things that make a good RPG. All it was missing was a slightly deeper leveling system.

>>376214438
abortion seems like such a dumb topic for morons like you to get offended over.

>>376212389
>haha anything mean is pol xD

paranoid are you

>>376218614
Skyrim has tons of mods so you can create a waifu. New Vegas has potato people. No mod can fix that.

>>376218673
>things that make a good RPG
it's all surface shit compared to gameplay in a game

go back to /tg/

>>376214374
Boring and repetetive. Needed more variety in the oblivion dungeons.

>>376218136
>WE WILL BUILD A WALL

>>376218901
>"STOP VALUING THINGS I DON'T IN VIDEO GAMES, A COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE THOUGHT PROCESS".
Your parents never hit you enough, did they?

>>376218603
I feel like the biomes they had were good enough for the idyllic world they created. The dark forests around Leyawiin, the beautiful, stormy Gold Coast, the Great Forest, icey Jerall Mountains and the swamp that climbs into rocky terrain along the Morrowind border. It's very pleasant, and then they tear it all up with Oblivion Gates.

>>376211657
Oblivion combat was shit

>>376218603
>I have plebeian taste the post.

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>>376219073
bit of a stretch, lad

>>376214741
>>376214784
>>376214872
Morrowind is an objectively bad game. It was bad when it came out and it's especially bad now. Only a special case of retarded rose flavored glass wearing faggots think it was ever any good.

>>376219137
It just bored me, but you like what you like my dude.

>>376219193
>>376219073

>>376219365
FUCKING Gothic fags

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>tfw we will never have an one click oblivion installer with every decent mod ever
>tfw we actually have to spend 5 hours testing mods and compatibility, but it will still crash after 30 hours into the game

>>376211657
Oblivion level scaling is completly broken.
The game world is extremely bland and boring, just unrealistic looking forests all over the map. All the cities are cuckie cutter shit and feel like disneyland. The whole game feels half assed. Oblivion is shit and i hated it at release. Its only loved because its console babbies first rpg.

Skyrim is also shit. At least it has a decent game world.

>>376219753
>Console babies first RPG
>When Morrowind was made for the Xbox

>>376219952
>When Morrowind was made for the Xbox

Ported to the Xbox, definitely had PC in mind when they designed the UI, shame that subsequent games have been Console led.

>>376219952
So all the 5 guys who owned a xbox played it?

>>376219753
>Its only loved because its console babbies first rpg.

This can also be said about Morrowind.

>game set in a nordic setting does well with white people

color me surprised

>>376216102
>le ebin stealth archer may may xD
If you can't keep a steady role play yourself it's probably your fault anon.

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>>376218901
writing and quests are important to RPGs plus NV had much better gameplay than FO3.
>better, more balanced perks
>stats are more important and well-implemented, like speech checks and such
>weapon modifications
>iron-sights

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>>376220095
>>376220094
I don't have the sales numbers but I know it did well on the Xbox.

>>376213130
Yeah, Fallout 4 is ten times worse than Skyrim even comparing both as sequels.

>>376220624
I wasn't denying that it might have done well, but Morrowind definitely had PC development and players in mind before anything else.

I'd say that mindset switched during the development of Oblivion

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>Why do you like things I don't

>>376220804
I think you're ignoring the picture. Just because you can manage your menu bubbles on PC and have access to the CS, doesn't mean most of the design decisions were biased towards Xbox.

>>376221113
*weren't, obviously

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>>376219623
I want to MAKE one of these more than I'd want to use one and yet it's still impossible.

Oblivion will just fuck your shit up and crash even when you're careful and then there's the fact many mods are still a work in progress.

Maybe in another 5 years we'll see it.

>>376218665
But Oblivion has more gameplay enhancing mods that actually enhance gameplay. Skyrim may have more gimmicks and visual crap but it doesn't amount to much.

>>376219623
>5 hours testing mods
>still crash

Proper modding takes at least a day or two, and if it's done well, it shouldn't crash.

>>376222026
But by that point they've already uninstalled and come onto /v/ to shitpost about it.

>>376221591
What's this?

>>376221824
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Skyrim has entirely redone skill trees, locational and realistic damage with way better animations, AI mods, entirely redone scaling, dodge/block need to be timed properly, enemies have access to the hundreds of new spells you can use, realistic sneaking with realistic cone of vision for enemies, and new mechanics like shooting water arrows to extinguish torches, rope arrows to climb on things and whatnot. And that's just for gameplay.

Skyrim has literally everything.

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>>376218869
well said friendo

>>376215941
Wut?

>The elder scrolls games
>Any good
>Ever
Top kek.

shit = skyrim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oblivion

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>>376222305
The webm?

>>376222402
Yes I do.

Oblivion has far more class/skill overhauls and genres of mods that Skyrim doesn't even have like UI overhauls(lots of them). I can't think of any types of mods you mentioned there that wasn't inspired by the many Oblivion mods either.

And then there are the world expansion and race mods which completely shit on Skyrim's repertoire of... nothing.

>>376222402
>Playing video games
>Want to be realistic
Make up your mind. If I would like anything realistic i'd rather go outside

>>376218869
Skyrim has shitty porn mods.

>>376222875
>The webm?
Yes

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>>376223103
Maskar's Overhaul has a button that lets you fall I think. Coupled with Realistic Gravity(use this mod it's fucking amazing how much more modern the game feels with it) you have a fun pastime.

>>376223216
What do you use for visuals?
What ENB?

Oblivion by far had the most fun, inventive quests in TES.

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>>376223375
OBGE. ENB suuuuucks and I think OR is still shitty overall compared to OBGE.

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>>376211657
>What is the deal with people who consider Skyrim better than Oblivion?
If you cant make the arguments yourself, why should anyone listen to you?

both are shit, Morrowind is the only good TES

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>>376213145
>>376214374
Not gonna shill ESO here since it's kinda "meh" but seing Anvil and other small Oblivion towns in ESO was such a nice touch on the nostalgic site.

>>376223962
You mean Dagerfall, faggot.

>>376223790
How do you install it? I have it, but shaders don't work.

>>376216204
Skyrim has the most boring quests in the series, anyone who played both knows this, it's not an argument

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>>376224090
http://demwaifus.blogspot.com/2014/02/oblivion-obgev3-setup.html
http://demwaifus.blogspot.com/2014/03/obge-shader-guide.html

I almost said "I dunno" but I remembered I wrote guides on the topic.

Good luck if you decide you want to use it. I like OBGE the best for variety and ease of adjustment plus the shaders are just nice to look at opposed to ENB/OR shaders.

>>376224123
Nonsense. Skyrim may be nothing but "Go to dungeon and kill thing" but at least the dungeons look descent. Everything in Morrowind is either an insanely tedious fetch quest, or a dungeon crawl in whats essentially always a brown tunnel every time, or the game taking a moment to have a character vomit several paragraphs of lore on you.

>>376211657
>Skyrim is to TES what Fallout 4 was to Fallout.
Oblivion is to TES what Fallout 3 was to Fallout.

>What is the deal with people who consider Skyrim better than Oblivion?
We're happy they ditched completely broken and unsatisfying rpg clunkyness for a casual action adventure. Morrowind was a great rpg. Skyrim was a mediocre action adventure. Oblivion was shit at both.

>>376224724
Oblivion was nostalgia

>>376224626
Thanks very much.

>>376211657

Oblivion is objectively the worst Elder Scrolls. I say this as someone who started with Morrowind 15 years ago.

Kindly kys faggot.

>>376222875
>Oblivion has far more class/skill overhauls
Skyrim has Skyredone and Perkus Maximus, this shit all over what Oblivion has
>genres of mods that Skyrim doesn't even have like UI overhauls
SkyUI???
>that wasn't inspired by the many Oblivion mods
Being inspired by previous mods is not a problem, the point is they are better in Skyrim, first because there are 10 times more mods for Skyrim, and second, because the engine and modtools are better.
>And then there are the world expansion and race mods which completely shit on Skyrim's repertoire
Skyrim also has those anon.

Skyrim is miles above other TES games in the mod department. If Oblivon has something, you can be sure Skyrim has it too, done better, and has everything Oblivion doesn't have.

>>376224123
The daedra quest are literally the best quests Todd shat out in any TES to date.

>>376225461
>mods
>mods
>mods
>mods
Not able to judge games without mods.
I know because they're shit with them,
and ever more shit without

Oblivion is shit
And god that magic system was so stupidly made
I can't remember a single character except the faggot who follow you if you win the arena

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>>376225461
>Skyrim is miles above other TES games in the mod department
Over Oblivion, yes. Over Morrowind, in quantity. But in quality? wew

>>376213091
>>376212316
cant really tell which one is more autistic

>>376225461
>only managed to list (two) class overhauls
Oblivion has a class system built into the game, you're out of your element here.

>ONE UI mod
>ONE
lol

The rest of your post is just baseless lies, you clearly haven't even modded Oblivion.

>>376214903
>this -single player- game is obviously too """""unbalanced"""""
>so let's make any interesting late game achievement impossible

>actually, why not just make levels and stats stop mattering after level 25~ and make it so that all parameters maxes out around there
Great! Skyrim is so fun! Zero character growth the game.

>>376215118
>not worth playing in the first place
pretty much aagree with this, if the game cant be enjoyed on the base level

and you have to augment the game by adding in different combat, different leveling systems and new textures

youre essentially playing a different game, I.E. playing Nehrim is not playing oblivion

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Why does anybody buy or play Gamebryo games? Seriously. I want to know.

They're unanimously trash. Everything from walking to shooting to melee feels awful in Bethesda games. And because of the open world fad I have dozens of options, most better than Skyrim and LOTS better than FO4.

Worst part is I've seen Gamebryo used to somewhat competent ends by other (much smaller) companies, so it's just really baffling that Bethesda games are quite as bad as they are.

>>376225596
They are great without, as evidenced by 9/10+scores from every critic ever, the countless awards and goty and the fact that they are still played to this very day vanilla (most people play vanilla or with a quest mod or two).

They become godtier with mods.

skyrim>oblivion>>>>>>>>>>>>morrowind

>>376227309
Oh, shit, let my retarded brother on my PC again. Won't happen again, fellas.

>>376214918
Great music, atmosphere, memorable quests, memorable towns and a true sense of adventure.

>>376227309
Morrowind >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skyrim > Daggerfall >>>> Redguard >>> Oblivion > Battlespire >>>> Arena

What are the best TES quests? Can be from any game.

>>376227045
>Critics
lol

>>376227309
>>376227609

>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<< >> < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > <

>>376227817
And every player, and the awards, and the gotys, and the sales, and the longevity of the game :^)
Don't try so hard anon.

>>376213291
I like oblivion the best but you must be autistic to think morrowind or anything before that is better than skyrim

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The Elder Scrolls actually used to have a Climb skill. And you could climb virtually any surface.

I bet Bethesda kind of regret removing that skill now. Along with the other movement options they removed or gutted.

>>376227743
Murder mystery from Oblivion is bretty gud

>>376228050
Skyrim is no joke complete and utter trash. It fundamentally fails at being an RPG and practically fails at having any kind of character growth for the last 70% of the game or something.
And that's not even touching on all the other flaws of the game.

Morrowind is dated and has ton of flaws of its own for sure. But to think it's not better than the mess that is Skyrim is just ridiculous.

>>376215726
Skyrim is an ugly wasteland; would not live there. I really don't see how anyone could say that it's prettier than Oblivion.

>>376228542
Skyrim is prettier, but it is actually wasteland.
That's the only problem for me, i ride a lot and here and there encounter some wolf, or giant, or mammoth and similar.
Morrowind had best use of environment so that everything feels non-empty.
Oblivion is mostly copypasta.

>>376215726
Skyrim is has better graphics. But Skyrim the actual region is dull and ugly as fuck.
Which is ironic. Because even the regions like Norway, Sweden, and Greenland that they presumably tried to emulate, have beautiful landscapes and wilderness. Which is something that Skyrim sorely lacks.

Graphics really doesn't help, if the subject matter isn't on par.

>>376215726
The gameplay is literally 1:1 and Skyrim's world does not look better.

>>376229031
This.
It had to be more rich environment, and some more variations in common things you can encounter in the surface exploration.

>>376211657
>What is the deal with people who consider Skyrim better than Oblivion?
people who like oblivion more had oblivion as their first elder scrolls. same with skyrim. skyrim is objectively a worse game, but it has a much better presentation and is a much easier game. these are very important factors for selling games to non-gamers.

>>376229391
What about those of us who had Oblivion as our first Elder Scrolls, but prefer Skyrim over it and love Morrowind more than either of those?

>>376218614
>Special Edition have 6k mods
>Tfw the lack of Script Extender is killing it's modding potential with each passing days

>>376211657
I always felt like Oblivion was so frail in it's conception, like if you changed something in the code, or even elsewhere, everything would fall apart. Also everything feels floaty and out of place (maybe because the animations are shitty).
Skyrim and Morrowind didn't felt like this to me, they were more "robust-looking" than oblivion.

>>376229536
the minority with questionable taste. morrowind is the best one though.

>It's another Oblivion is good meme thread
I swear to God, /v/ is full of people born in 2000 that are nostalgic about one of their first game ever.

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>>376213091
>Skyrim objectively has less features and is more dumbed down than Oblivion
>three skills
>shit quests
>every cave is draugr
>even a smaller map

I am triggered

>>376211657
Because I haven't played a single other TES and Skyrim was great, and I also never played a single other Fallout game and Fallout 4 sucked a lot of cock.

>Morrowind
Great rpg of it's time, setting stone of some of the best rpg's nowadays. Retrospectively got wonderful story, quests, design, possibilities and such.
Looking now, it only lacked graphics and animation to keep it up to date.

>Oblivion
Setting stone for most of the people of the time 'cus it welcome new players to the genre, had awesome quests, nice deadra concept and such, but world is kinda copypasta even though is good.

>Skyrim
Improved Oblivion concept, but kinda decreased in some stuff Morrowind had, lessened world richness but keeped it kinda gorgeous. Mods quality/quantity it the greatest any game had and that's what keeps it up to date in time.

>>376230236
Skyrim had less skills than Oblivion, but it doesn't either way because both were a downgrade from Daggerfall, just like Morrowind. Difference being, that in Morrowind skills actually meant something, so it's not that big of a problem. In Oblivion you can argue about athletics and maybe magic system, but both Oblivion and Skyrim go into the same trashcan regarding skills, so one being better than the other is basically meaningless.

Oblivion's world was partially proceduraly generated. And it shows. Skyrim's overworld was better by whole tiers.

Skyrim also had a bigger dungeon variety. Its just that its draugr dungeons were too long, therefore being much more tedious than Oblivion's terrible caves. Go and try cleaning all caves in Oblivion and then Skyirm. I can guarantee you that Oblivion's are worse. But shorter and less tedious.

>>376230689
I found Skyrim overworld much more boring and a pain to traverse than Oblivion. That's down to opinion.

Skyrim had, from memory:
Bandit forts, dwarven ruins, draugr dungeons. A few mage caves (i think) and vampire caves.

Oblivion had more variety:
Maurader/bandit forts, conjurer forts, vampire caves, elven ruins, goblin caves, oblivion gate worlds, and with the dlc you had treemen caves and grundite forts.

>>376229976
fuck off

>>376231283
>I found Skyrim overworld much more boring and a pain to traverse than Oblivion. That's down to opinion.
No, that's utter shit taste. There's a reason Unique Landscapes are a MUST for Oblivion.

>>376231283
>Skyrim had
Caves, glades, forts, dwemer ruins, mines, glacial pases, draugr caves, towers and mixed set locations.

>Oblivion had
Ayleid ruins, forts and caves. That's it.

>bandit forts, conjurer forts
Wew lad. Next you'll tell me that "mines" and caves that share the same room designs and tile sets are "variety". Or do you want me to consider shit like Skyrim caves with vampires, necromancers, bandits, falmer and humans as "different" too?

>>376224063
>autogenerated wasteland simulator
nah man

>Outside of quests, spend all available time breaking into shops and houses to steal valuable shit
>Ended up taking everything from all major cities and towns
>Set it all out or around my Waterfront House or sell it
>Do literally nothing with most of it
Best burglary simulator.

>>376232119
If it has different inhabitants that act differently, it's variety. Oblivion had gates and other things in the dlc.

>>376232932
>Oblivion had gates
Sure, sorry for not writing it in the list. Shivering Isles added those two types of caves, yes, but then I'd have to also count Skyirm's Apocrypha and Glacial Pass.

>>376213534
>BoS were the saviours of the world
Lyon's group=/=BoS.

The Outcasts were the real Brotherhood.
>>376214440
This.

Don't forget that quests in 3 were far more creative. This is especially true when you consider that all of them can be finished without killing anyone.

>>376233152
>Glacial Pass
From what I remember these were tiny one section areas used to travel through mountains containing a few trolls. Barely a dungeon.

>Apocrypha
I never played the dlc but that actually looks interesting.

>>376233910
Dammit, I meant Forgotten Vale.

The success of the TES franchise always leaves me dumbfounded.
And not that it became successful. I can understand that. It's how it became such a hit.

The early games were niche. They pandered to specific niches. And climbed in fame within said niches. This is understandable to me. But it's beyond this point that I am left completely dumbfounded.
Over time the franchise has amassed itself popularity within fans of said niches. And this popularity finally reached a point where normals and casuals started to be intrigued as to what kind of games they might actually be. So when the new game came out, they finally gave it a chance, on the word of mouth of the games having grown to be the king of their niche. And then they fell in love with the franchise. Except, that the new games cut all the niche features that the games became known for.

How does that make sense?

>>376235393
2006 was just before the normalfag invasion of videogames and internet culture, Skyrim released right in the middle of that and was also marketed and constructed to appeal to that crowd

Started with Morrowind. And I would say Skyrim and Morrowind are pretty close I guess. They are just different to me. The thing with Morrowind is that it has aged pretty terribly, but still some of the stuff that was removed in later games is missed (different armor pieces, spell crafting, all the different weapon varieties, etc) combat as a whole is much better in Skyrim though. Oblivion is some weird amalgamation of the two, but without alot of the positives from either. Although I will give it some credit, it has some of the more memorable quests.

>>376214918
>reddit attribute
I mostly hear about games being comfy on /v/, not on Reddit.

>>376228070
Well to be fair it's a bit unnecessary when you can ride a horse.

>>376236090
You can do spell crafting in Oblivion.
>>376232119
Oblivion had mines too you dunce. And if you're going to include locales are literally the same thing just called something different, then Oblivion also has vampire lairs, necromancer lairs, shipwrecks, goblin lairs, gates, paint land, dream land, inns, chapels, and that's not including all the reskinned/renamed areas in Shivering Isles or Knights.

>>376237471
>Oblivion had mines
See:
>Next you'll tell me that "mines" and caves that share the same room designs and tile sets are "variety"

>if you're going to include locales are literally the same thing
You idiot, that was an counter for what he already said about Oblivion because it's bullshit.
You should learn to read.

>>376235393

"Normies" and "casuals" are new to the franchise. They can be impressed with shiny and shallow experiences because it's all new to them. In contrast, veteran fans of the series want progressively deeper and more complex experiences than the last iteration they played.

However, the former group is much more numerous than the latter and much easier to impress. Therefore, the TES games are not being made for the niche gamers craving for deeper experiences. Why spend the effort in trying to retain your previous audiences when it's easier and more profitable to cater to the bigger crowd?

>>376236492
That Skyrim horse crap is really just awful and incredibly ugly. And you can really, really tell that it was intended in the first place.
Really makes me wonder why they made you so damn terrible at actually travelling the world. They did the same thing in Fallout.

>>376228070
Well as graphics improve and you have a third person mode thats a whole new slew of animation you have to make and if you want to be able to climb anything half of them are still going to look weird.

The graphics race killed gaming just like the Space race killed the USSR

>>376211657
What are the mods for Oblivion that make the atmosphere better?
More people on streets, taverns, roads, that kind of thing.

>>376231727
Sup new fag. How's high school?

>>376238003
>Really makes me wonder why they made you so damn terrible at actually travelling the world.

Well, the reason horses are bad is because of consoles. If they went any faster it would be too much for the machine.

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>>376238003
>>376240821

The problem in my opinion is that the game world scale is just way too small for horseback, which in turn lead to the issues with mountains, pathing, travel speeds etc.

Morrowind and Oblivion were smaller than Skyrim. But you could still travel faster. You could still jump further. You could stand on an incline without gliding downwards.

Skyrim has no excuse.

>>376211657
Ugly faces in oblivion were to big of turn off for some people.

>>376211657
morrowind>skyrim>oblivion

Is Morroblivion any good?

>>376242062

It doesn't help that they set up the conversations so you immediately zoom in on their faces.

Morrowind>Oblivion>Skyrim

>>376242162
Daggerfall>morrowind>skyrim>oblivion

>>376242368
This, I still have nightmares about oblivion npcs touching me where they shouldn't.

>>376211657
Because it doesn't have giant mushrooms. DLC was superb on the other hand.

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>>376218869
THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG