Choose your class /v/

Necro.

I went with barbarian and promptly got sick of having to hunt and click every nigger goblin that was juking around the screen, should have gone necromancer.

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>>376199645
Witchblade

Sorc

Burn fucking everything down.

>>376199746
Piss off cunt

>>376199884
eat shit bogan

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>>376199746
>playing boring games

>>376199713
This.

Fuck every enemy that runs away after each kill.

soso

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>>376199984
>Ever playing melee characters

>>376199645
Werewolf druid

>>376199746
Trickster

>>376199645
DROOD

>>376200072
I'm playing through Grim Dawn right now and I only have to use one hand :^)

Sorcerer.

Maybe necro or sin on the second run.

>>376200317
More like Grim Dumb

>>376200317
Because you totally can't make boring one-click builds in any ARPG
but dude shitposting lmao

>>376200226
This. Werewolf Druid was the tits.

>>376199645
zealadin all day every day

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>>376200317
>not picking the pet/minion class in any ARPG and jerking off while shit just dies

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I played Barbarian, but Diablo 2 didn't really do Melee that great, when Necromancers and Sorcerors and even some Druid builds were nuking entire screens.

It got annoying hunting down runners.

But generally, I prefer melee. Because of this, I ended up playing a Paladin simply because he had better AOE. But honestly, I don't really like Paladin. I prefer to be big, strong manly man with a huge as fuck weapon.

>>376200489
Been years since i last played but i had tons of fun with a rabies build on my last run, i love disease effects that spread among enemies.

>>376199645
Necromancer or Paladin

Necro for the awesome minions that do all your work for you, or Paladin for the great auras and the ability to tank.

>>376199645
Paladin is best class

>>376199645
Pal
Will coop with necro

Which ARPG has the best combat?
Best itemization?
Best world?
Best story?
Best endgame?

>>376200663
you are literally retarded. in d2 all you did was MF bossruns for loot and XP. chaos sanctuary for XP if yer gear was shit. then baal. what in the shit m8?

>>376200772
That's not Skellymancer, sitting back and spooking your way through Sanctuary

>>376199645
Javazon GOAT

>>376199645
Titty underboob sorc slut was the way to go for 13 year old me.

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>>376199645
Paladin. Get fucked, demons.

>>376200947
I can't see this picture without thinking of the very accurate description of what's going on.

>>376200946
>not fapping to the Amazon

pleb

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>>376199645
Classless.

>>376201065
I know, right?
>barb rushed on ahead and got BTFO by Iron Maiden curse
>necro is mana depleted and about to get BTFO
>ranged sluts hiding in a corner
>big dick hammerdinlayeth the smacketh down on Diablo by himself

>>376201192
You're forgetting
>nigger late to his job

>>376201260
>going to the job at all
No wonder he was promoted to paladin

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>>376199645
give me druid all day, every day.
>tfw when summon wolf pack and become werewolf
> tfw when closet fur fag

>>376201838
>wolf pack
>useful

pick one.

>>376201838
>Closet
>With that strat
lmao

I loved my fire sorc.
But obviously, bowazon.

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>>376201838
>closet

>>376199694
edgy faggot

>>376199645
Amazon

Uninstall class is the only winning move.

Frenzy barb.

>>376200947
>2009
wat, they get so bored they make artwork for a game released almost 10 years before that?

>>376199645
Sorc till I can Last Wish and Greif barb

>>376199645
Sorceress. Maxed out Frozen Orb FTW.

Witch Doctor or Demon Hunter of course. Not sure why anyone would want to play Diablo II when III is literally superior in every way.

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>>376199645
D2
>Game has 5 classes, totally different from each other, with their own builds
>Exp releases a new act, a fuckton of content and 2 fucking classes
D3
>Game is released with 5 classes, one of them just copy pasted from d2, and the other 4 are the same class from d2 with a different name and skin or just hybrids from d2 classes (monk is pala/assa, dh is amazon/assa)
>exp adds 1 new but very short act, rifts being the only end game and a piss poor paladin with a different name when monk already has some of the pala skills, so they fill the crusader skillset with useless skills

And now they want to release the necromancer when we already have witch doctor, what's next, releasing the amazon with half the skills the DH didn't get?

>>376202585
>PoE has tons of multiplayer additions and a bigass endgame
>GD has dual classing and generally traditional design
>Diablo 2 still exists and is just as playable now as it was then

Is there any reason at all to play Diablo 3?

the best screen in gaming

and barbarian of course

>>376202810
Tbh I was shitting on d3 but its the arpg I have more ours in the last year. In the end it's about getting stronger and the piñata loot, and d3 does this better than others.

PoE just gets overly complicated for the only reason of being complicated, alienating the new playerbase unless they want to spend hours looking at items and builds and game mechanics before even beginning to play, turning the game itself into a mess.

GD while dual classing is a fun concept and titan quest did great, for some reason I dont have fun playing it, while you can call it dual classing, it's just one character with 2 skill trees, each character in d2 had 3 skill trees, that being 7 characters means 21 different skill trees, GD only has 6.

D2 is great, but just old.

>>376203172
>GD and TQ not fun
same problem. for some reason im really bustin a nut here trying to like these games, but i cant

>>376203172
ours = hours, sorry.

>>376203172
>>376202810
and dont forget Median XL Ultimative :)
and Sigma coming out

>>376200072
Shit man, I'm playing for the first time and I picked assassin. So it's not just me, melee characters are genuinely fucking shit in this game? Good thing she has some traps or some shit which are pretty fucking mighty. What weapons should I be using, though, so far I've been using anything that seems good that I can equip.

>>376203285
TQ's shit is pacing

The game doesn't even start properly until after your first loop through the game
The slow pace and shitty abilities don't help either, but the setting is nice at least

>>376203353
no, melee is great. it probably has the best melee in any game of its type, as it should since it invented the genre.

longtime pally zealer/WW barb here. its fun and feels amazing. the sound design is top notch.

literally every build for every class is fun so dont sweat it. you might wanna go trap sin though, theyre hella fun and kill shit like nobody's business.

shadow sin can be fun too, i just see ubiquitous trap sins

(sin = assassin)

>>376203437
They added a game speed option in the enhanced edition that helped a lot but it's still a drag. Agree about the setting though, i'd love more games about that period in general.

>>376202585
Wtf is this false narrative? Diablo 3's classes except Barbarian play pretty differently from Diablo 2's, and even then are nowhere near as shallow as their Diablo 2 variation since each class is capable of doing much more than a Diablo 2 version.

Diablo 3's Act V is longer as well, consisting of more quests than Diablo 2's.

Diablo 3 also has a longer bonus level, more variety in endgame other than just Baal runs, and most importantly actually has better, less braindead gameplay that's thankfully stepped up on the Action part of the ARPG so the player actually needs skill to get through encounters.

>>376202810
A much larger endgame than all three of those games combined? Actual action so the player's mechanical skills are required just as much as their ability to make powerful builds when only the latter is really important in those three games? Best aesthetics that don't obscure anything? Largest variety in loot? Sound + graphical effects making everything feel far more visceral and rewarding? Actual variety in builds past the surface level because it actually focuses on legitimate physical changes instead of just minute abstract ones?

>>376203437
yeah. melee in TQ is a cure for insomnia.

in D2 it's crunchy and has a great feeling. i feel like only magic classes in TQ and GD (or non-melee classes) have a chance of being fun

>>376203563
>Best aesthetics
wew lad
If you want to bait you should make it at least a little believable

>>376203563
>best aesthetics
how hard can you shill? did you help design the game or something? i don't have a problem if you like D3 better but the art style? come on. did you even play D2 when it was out?

>>376199645
1.Paladin
2.Assassin
3.Barbarian
4.Amazon
5.Druid
6.Sorceress
7.Necromancer

this is gameplay wise, look wise never liked the barb and necro is pretty cool

>>376199645
>all women characters have the same feminist dyke haircut

>>376203563
Don't even bother. People are still on D2s dick even though after an expansion and years of patching the stat system is still broken, half the skills are still useless, and the game still has other broken systems/bad design.

and this is ignoring a launch that was worse than D3.

>>376203783
nice try
sorceress has long hair, zon has a sleak pony tail. only the sin has shit-tier short hair

>sudden influx of D3 fuckbois ITT

Americans waking up church or what

>>376203505
Yea, I did go with trap, it seemed the most useful when I read the descriptions. So far it's fantastic, but it's eating mana like crazy. It's not a problem yet since I'm only level 14, but I feel like it will be a problem later maybe?

>>376203691
>>376203694
It's been almost five years now; if muh cartoon aesthetics is all you can think about rather than their role in the gameplay, then fuck off you probably never gave the game a chance outside the first demo/beta thing. The aesthetics are far better than D2 that tries to obscure everything in its attempt to be le dark edgy.

>>376203829
I find it fascinating how few of the people that seem to post here are actually hardcore gamers and more people that are thirsty for their nostalgia fix.

kinda tempted to play some brainless barbarian or paladin.

>>376204045
>hardcore gamers
You just keep getting more cancerous with every post

>>376203829
lol ok
samefag much

>>376203437
Also true of D2. It's obnoxious as fuck to play through normal in any way other than getting sped through by others.

>>376203992
Burger here. Illinois, it's 5am. And I'm a D2 veteran so don't blame me

>>376203992
It's a typical /v/ Diablo thread. Nostalgia fags talk about how much better D2 is. D3 peeps btfo every argument nostalgia fags try to bring in. Despite this, nostalgia fags are unable to get their heads out of their ass so next thread it's the same old hivemind thinking. Like I said, people here are less video game fans but more nostalgia projectors.

>>376204091
Well, if the word hardcore triggers you this hard, what about, passionate? Yeah, I guess another way to reword that statement is that you guys are nowhere near as passionate about video games as you are about the things in your past that you view nostalgically.

>>376204163
The thing is games like D2 and PoE are only good for theorycrafting and build creation. Has anyone even played these games? Most horrible combat and gameplay to ever exist. Dig the D2 aesthetic though.

>>376204045
>edgy
your taste sucks dude. that aesthetic was a HUGE part of Diablo and for its atmosphere. you can prefer D3 all you want and complain about all the oldfags til the cows moo home but i straight up cant believe you prefer D3's aesthetic/ doesn't hold a molecule of a candle to the beautiful gothic style

you have no discernible taste my good man

>>376204223
You're an underage embarrassment no matter how you word things lad.

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>>376203563
>>376203829
>>376204045
holy shit

>>376204163
>thinks nostalgiafags are the problem

Blizzard North was too great of a company. It's why you never see D2 or D1 characters in HotS or in anything else Blizzard related for that matter. Hell they even kept "battle.net" until they had enough IP to actually distance themselves from everything Blizzard North without pissing Activision off.

>>376204223
no we just got robbed of a proper diablo sequel

i like WoW's aesthetic. just not in my diabluh.

i STILL fire up D2 for the Ultimative mod. if that isn't longevity i dont know what is. i highly doubt people will be playing 3 10 years from now.

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>>376203563
>Diablo 3 also has a longer bonus level, more variety in endgame other than just Baal runs, and most importantly actually has better, less braindead gameplay

quoting so more front page anons see this shit
i laughed so hard all the dogs in the neighborhood are barking

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>>376204282
Well i didn't expect this

>>376204163
Naw, I hate D3. I just find it funny that /v/ generally praises D2, even though it still has broken systems and then bashes modern games that have flaws that are not nearly as bad.

>>376204446
its like Nu-Blizzard is in this very thread with us

>>376204513
>Naw, I hate D3. I just find it funny that /v/ generally praises D2, even though it still has broken systems and then bashes modern games that have flaws that are not nearly as bad

Explain cuck.
And if one of your complaints is about runewords my Bingo sheet is complete for this thread

>>376204282
b&

>>376203563
>D2 Endgame consists of Baal runs

u wot m8?
you dont do baal runs as endgame content. this is just for leveling. endgame content consists of key, organ and UT runs, diaclone hunting, mf runs and pvp.

>>376204663
The stat system is completely broken. Stamina is annoying for the first 15 minutes, then you never have to worry about it ever again. Quest rewards that you always want to save until you are done with the game, useless skills, useless gold, and I can go on.

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>come for comfy D2 thread
>D3 fags are shitting it up again
Every fucking time. They're 2 games, make your own shitty thread and get out of ours

>>376203829
fuck off jay wilson. your assets and generic monsters look like they were made by a bunch of korean mmorpg designers.

>>376205103
>korean mmo designers
damn its true

>>376205008
>The stat system is completely broken
This isn't a reason it's a generalization.

>Stamina is annoying for the first 15 minutes, then you never have to worry about it ever again.
Dumb reason and not wasting my time on it; your opinion my opinion.

>Quest rewards that you always want to save until you are done with the game
This is your fault not the game's.

>useless skills
lel
you must have some special snowflake autism build you couldn't get to work cause this is the first time I've heard this brought up

>useless gold
That's how currency works anon, you scholastic paragon. It was so common it had no value so Stone of Jordan became the currency.

>>376204249
Exactly.

>>376204281
For the first game, yeah. Diablo 1 for muh atmosphere, Diablo 3 for accommodating best to the gameplay style. Diablo 2 doesn't do either style as well, being kinda dull in comparison.

>>376204306
>>376204313
So you can only talk shit instead of bringing up points. Not surprised because you guys probably barely played the games.

>>376204371
That's why ex-Blizzard North employees are sssssoooo great with games like Marvel heroes, right?

>>376204387
If Diablo is about the atmosphere, aesthetic, and story, then not even 2 was a proper sequel as it severely watered these down from the first. If it's about being a loot hunt ARPG, then 3 improve in every way possible.

>>376204446
>D2
Baal runs, cow level

>POE
Maps

>D3
Bonus Act, Nephalem Rifts, Greater Rifts, bounties, and set dungeons

The difference is considerably higher considering that Diablo 3 has far more variety in modifications for enemies so there are far more mechanics that can be potentially dangerous to player to look out for.

>>376204989
>Baal runs just for leveling
So...you never did D2 endgame then? Also even if we take all those items into account, D3 still has a much larger endgame that's also nigh endless unlike D2's while having a much wider item hunt in general.

>>376205103
>thinks colorful creatures are more generic than boring ass run of the mill medieval fantasy look of everything in D2
Lmao

Druid. Spamming Fissure is one of the most fun things I've done in vidya

>>376205320
You asked for broken systems in the game. I listed a few of them. Do you think the stat system is good when almost every build follows the exact same plan? When the caster stat is completely negated by an item you can spam? Do you think it is good game design to have quest rewards that you shouldn't use until you have your final gear? Do you think every skill in the game has a place where it is useful?

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>>376205406
>Nephalem Rifts, Greater Rifts,
Two names, identical definitions.

>bounties
lel shit crafting materials that they still haven't figured out how to do properly

>citing set dungeons as legit content
pic

>>376205320
>That's how currency works anon, you scholastic paragon. It was so common it had no value so Stone of Jordan became the currency.
>thinks waste in game design is a good thing

>you must have some special snowflake autism build you couldn't get to work cause this is the first time I've heard this brought up
>resorts to shit talking instead of bringing up points
Blaze, Impale, Find Potion, Increase Stamina, Weaken, Might

>Dumb reason and not wasting my time on it; your opinion my opinion.
>This isn't a reason it's a generalization.
Not much to say, huh? Yeah, I wouldn't be able to defend such shit design either. For something that gives you this much freedom, the stats' usefulness isn't all that balanced so everybody ran the same build when it came to them. Another example of waste in game design. Thanks to the synergy patch that also greatly restricted builds and how many moves there are used per build, stats themselves became even more useless.

>>376205532
>You asked for broken systems in the game. I listed a few of them.
And I countered them.

>Do you think the stat system is good when almost every build follows the exact same plan?
Wrong. If this were true Glass Cannon sorc's wouldn't be named "Glass Cannons"

I typed out the rest, but I deleted them. You didn't answer any of my questions. Are you afraid of having your opinions critiqued?

>>376205649
see >>376205740

It's sad that I knew your responses before seeing them.

>>376205740
You didn't ask any questions.

>>376205591
>set dungeons
I did one and they just threw dozens of archievements to me but not a single item.

Please tell me set dungeons aren't just for that and please tell me people don't count "boring dungeon to get cheevos" as legit content.

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>D3 cucks actually defending the stat customization removal that made D2 and D2:LoD the icons of ARPG

Amazon, because she has the biggest tits and the fattest ass.

>>376205591
>Two names, identical definitions.
There's definitely a difference between them. Greater Rifts are where the incremental increase in difficulty continue to happen.

>lel shit crafting materials that they still haven't figured out how to do properly
Not sure what's wrong with "get crafting materials, make shit" I guess that's too much of good game design for you nostalgia fags that want muh low drop rate runes or some other dumb shit.

>set dungeons not being content
It's an additional dungeon you run at the end to get better gear. Is the cow level not considered actual content for D2 either now?

Your post reeks of a shit attempt to troll, while your descriptions of the endgame shows that you only did a cursory google search. Typical /v/ nostalgia fag here, everyone. Pretending to talk like he played something he hasn't.

>>376205785
...what? You didn't respond to anything I said. There's no such thing as "true glass cannon sorc" because all sorc builds are glass cannon as fuck. Same with most Amazon builds, too for example.

Nothing about the useless skills or the fact that there are wasted systems in the game.

All your D2 dickriders/D3 haters can only talk shit or troll. Not substantiating of points at all.

>>376205869
>so much customization guys!
>proceeds to have them be close to the exact same for each class, mirroring what an auto stat growth system would look like in the same position
>thinks it was the stat system of all things that made D2 iconic, not the loot hunt and builds
What in the fuck is this post?

>>376205406
>Not surprised because you guys probably barely played the games.
Diablo 2 is by far my most played game of all time. I got it at release and still play it now and then. I have close to 100 hours in Diablo 3. I play it because I've already played every other ARPG/dungeon crawler to death. It can be casual fun but I can't imagine anyone who's played Diablo 1 and 2 would consider it a Diablo game at all.

>>376205406
>about aesthetic and atmosphere
>2 is inferior to 3
Absolutely freaking not dude.

2 blows 3 out of the water as a loot grind AND atmospherically. Not even by a little bit, by night and day.

2 felt more epic and on a grander scale than 1 and still nailed the atmosphere. It felt like a natural sequel. Absolutely beautiful atmosphere, how in the world can you say 3 has better atmosphere? The story is fanfic-tier and the atmosphere is nonexistent.

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THE FOLLOWING IS FACT, NOT AN OPINION

>Quintessential tier
Barbarian and Necro

>Tryhard tier
Paladin and Sorceress

>Okay tier
Amazon, Druid and Assassin

>>376205406
>run of the mill medieval fantasy look
I'm triggered. It's gothic dude and it's classic while still able to be original. How in the sweet hell can you sit there and pretend like D3 isn't just a WoW-ified Diablo? Are you serious?

>>376206281
Don't try to make sense of nu-/v/ blizzbabies. They don't know better.

>>376199645

Druid, of course.

>>376206183
>Diablo 3 casual compared to Diablo 2
Nigga all you do is spam your two moves in D2 (at least after the synergy patch), D3 requires you to use everything with your six moves max. D3 can have even basic enemies become dangerous with modifications like Jailer unlike D2's more basic bitch enemy modifications. D3 has more content to do. D3 has on open ended build system to the player's actually encouraged to experiment and honestly change things up by encounter instead of being a one trick pony.

>>376206197
2's loot grind is pretty boring though. It has a feasible end that requires grinding the same exact thing over and over again. 3's is much more dynamic than that. 2's atmosphere is watered down version of 1.

2 I guess felt "epic" compared to 1. But epicness doesn't work well with a horror/gothic atmosphere. If I want epicness, 3 is even more epic than 2. 2's atmosphere is dull as fuck because it's not actually gothic horror like 1 nor is it full on epic fantasy like 3, in some attempt to look close to medieval fantasy what you get is dull pseudo-realism.

I love the Waller designation on enemies as a melee hero. They voluntarily put themselves in an enclosed space with me.

>>376206439
You can enjoy 3. What us "nostalgiafags" are utterly perplexed by is how any in their right God-given sense would consider it a Diablo game.

>>376202154
this, desu

>>376206560
The difference between D3 and D2 is just as big as D2 to D1.

>>376206560

Could have been worse. There could have been a "White Soulstone" to absorb the Angiris Council.

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>>376206439
I opened this thread to laugh at you but I'm actually just sad right now. There are legitimate reasons to enjoy Diablo 3 but visuals and art direction certainly are not among them. Also comparing it to the previous games in the series does it a great disservice, because it really is so inferior in every way. Still fun, just not Diablo.

It's kind of like how Blizzard does all their other games. Water down and casualise existing games/genres, repackage with a shitty art style and release it to the indoctrinated masses. Diablo 3 is possibly the most obvious example of this along with HotS.

>>376206439
>walking through the cold plains with that god-tier soundtrack is not great atmosphere
>the snarls and sounds of fallen and other beasts fill the caves as you plunge deeper
>the sound of the rain as it pours mixed with that stringed god-tier OST

alright buddy. i dont even care about your opinions on the actual mechanics, it does not make any sense to me that someone can call 2's atmosphere "watered down" or "not actually gothic horror" or "pseudo-realism"

>>376206281
D2 isn't gothic. D1 is. Just because D2 looks like it's night all the time doesn't equate to being gothic. For fuck's sake, did any of you even get to the desert?

D3 is higher fantasy than D1/D2. That's different for Diablo. Not necessarily worse. I don't appreciate D3's aesthetic for some immersive storytelling reason, I like it because it's much better for ARPG gameplay. Everything looks over-the-top, and it kinda needs to since D3 is more mechanics heavy and you need to be able to discern yourself, the enemy, your moves, and their moves that much more. D2's world in comparison is not all that detailed, and doesn't really care for contrast all that much.

>>376206560
It's a loot hunt style ARPG game set in the Diablo universe. Again, I really don't get this style of thinking considering how different D2 is from D1 and how much D2 turned the game into a looty grind rather than an almost survival horror-esque experience that was D1.

>>376206756
dude
>the harem in act 2
>the gothic themes all over it
>b-but its desert
Yeah and it's extremely gothified.
>you go into the harem and go to the arcane sanctuary
>act 4 is gothic horror: the act

also i played 2 for like 10 years so dont even start with me bromite

>>376202276

The watermark was added post-facto kiddo.

>>376199645
I play Necro or Amazon when playing offline Hardcore and Sorceres or Paladin when playing Sofcore online.

>>376206882
i want to riff on this more because holy shit bro

>act 2
>town is up in arms, the mercenary general can barely keep things under control, soldiers going into the harem and other areas and not coming back
>the town's prince or whatever, Jaryn, has no fucking clue what to do
This has gothic all over it!

>>376206692
Oh, so you are typical Blizzard flavored nostalgia fag who barely played the newer games and thinks they are much more watered down. Bet you think earlier WoW raids are much harder than today's as well, among other stupid bullshit.

Modern day Blizzard's philosophy where all their games are both easier and also harder than their earlier counterparts is much better than their older philosophy on game design. It's not my fault though that all you can see is the casualized side of it.

>>376206719
i dont even care about your opinions on the actual mechanics, it does not make any sense to me that someone can call 2's atmosphere "watered down" or "not actually gothic horror" or "pseudo-realism"
It isn't all that gothic. Going through a desert, going through an area of plains, going through all these non-gothic style spots at nighttime doesn't make it gothic. D1 is actually gothic, you're going through a building with clearly gothic architecture with a far more oppressing and hopeless atmosphere with your characters also not as strong as the ones in D2 or D3.

CAN SOMEONE DEFINE WHAT THE FUCK "GOTHIC STYLE" MEANS SO WE DON'T WASTE 3 HOURS BICKERING ABOUT BULLSHIT ok thanks

>>376206756
>D2's world not detailed
Except it is, extremely, and those are some of the best graphics of that type I've ever seen

I have never in my life heard of someone shitting on D2's art direction of all things. Shill the gameplay all you want, that's fine because it's fun in it's own inferior way but the atmosphere and art?

It's not even about story, it's about the feeling. Things feel hopeless, the caves feel dank, it really feels like there's hell's worst around every corner. It used to scare me as a kid sometimes.

does anyone have any good torrents for the diablos?

>>376206882
>harem
Bright and sandy/brown colored area. No gothic architecture. Not sure where you see the gothic themes. Damn thing's far from gothic.

>act 4
Literally the only part of the game that's gothic, and even then it's literally a less creepy Diablo 1.

>>376207112
A bunch of stupid things can scare kids. This being one of them. Diablo 2's aesthetics have always been overrated as fuck because they actually kinda look like the topdown perspective of the weird cutscene graphics Blizzard used to have in their games back then, ironically looking rather...cartoony. But I guess it's low fidelity cartoonish so people think it's muh gothic horror. Gtfo with that garbage.

>>376207040
It doesn't just mean gothic churches or w/e. You can have a game have a gothic style while taking place in diverse locations like deserts and swamps. It feels "old-timey" and eerie.

>>376207040
What the entirety of Diablo 1 and that shitty Act 4 in Diablo 2 look like. What the entirety of Diablo 1 feels like.

>>376206439
D3 is more mechanically complex, but it's still really fucking basic as shit AND it did so by adding cooldowns, which is absolutely the worst fucking mechanic ever made for an action game so the devs deserve a kick in the dick just for that

typical action games add complexity by shit like blocks, aiming, footwork, combos, etc, which really is the direction diablo should go if they ever make a new game, but blizzard has only made MMOs which is why we're seeing cooldowns in all their games even when it doesn't belong, like in overwatch

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>>376199645
the one and only

>>376207278
Gothic is not just gray. The town is in danger and there's death at every corner as evidenced from the piles and piles of bodies of old mercs.

Act 1 is more obviously gothic too what with the churches and how you literally go in a cathedral.

>overrated as fucked
Yeah no.

>>376207326
>entirety of 1
Except gothic isn't just churches and grey!!!! That hopeless feeling in Diablo 1 in the church you descend IS THE SAME in ALL of Diablo 2 REGARDLESS of whether if it is in the desert or swamp or church or hell itself! THAT'S what gothic is! That is what I mean when I say it and that is what people mean when they rightly praise it's aesthetics, art direction, and god-tier atmosphere!

>>376207278
>Diablo 2's aesthetics have always been overrated as fuck because they actually kinda look like the topdown perspective of the weird cutscene graphics Blizzard used to have in their games back then, ironically looking rather...cartoony. But I guess it's low fidelity cartoonish so people think it's muh gothic horror. Gtfo with that garbage.
oh you mean the cutscenes that blizzard were famous for with their quality being heads above every other developer and often professional animated films? Those silly things? Yeah what a stupid fucking thing to look like, am I right?
>looking cartoony
I dare you to find ONE screen of diablo 2 that looks "cartoonish". Fucking random ass props have more complex geometry than entire screens in diablo 3, and let's not even talk about lighting.

fuck act 3

>>376200542
I haven't done that in so long, you could edge for hours while your skeletons kill shit and randomly amp damage and corpse explode

ahh to be 13 again..

>>376207331
CDs have been there since Diablo II you fucking retard. There's nothing wrong with them either, since managing cooldowns is part of the various timings of things you are already looking out for. Blocking would be OP as fuck in a Diablo game, so its equivalents in defensive abilities/defensive CDs make much more sense here. Monks are combo based, if you can't learn to combo correctly with them they'll feel weaker compared to other classes. If by footwork you mean character movement, that's certainly important here. Most bosses or certain modified enemies have moves that you cannot afford to get hit by at all, so it's very important in that game. Aiming is partly very important for all characters because of movement, but there's also certain builds with classes like DHs, Crusaders, and WDs where this is important.

>but blizzard has only made MMOs which is why we're seeing cooldowns in all their games even when it doesn't belong, like in overwatch
And Blizzard learned from making some of the most mechanically complex boss fights in video games to create metas around managing CDs.

>>376199645
Spark Scion

The one with the most tasteful slutwear.

>>376207681
is this a jojo reference?

reminder that gothic horror != gothic architecture

but I guess the Dragonballesque style is more suited for ADHD kids

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Posting a pic that shows a pretty good example what the rest of the world thought when you guys were bitching about aesthetics.

>>376207473
Yeah, but gothic is not the brightness of most of Diablo 2 either. You bring those graphics up to HD and they would look nowhere near as "gothic".

>>376207648
>oh you mean the cutscenes that blizzard were famous for with their quality being heads above every other developer and often professional animated films? Those silly things? Yeah what a stupid fucking thing to look like, am I right?
Nope, I am not talking about the WC3/WoW ones. I am obviously talking about the Starcraft 1 and Diablo ones. Those weird attempts at detail in those that just looks like low fidelity crap.

>I dare you to find ONE screen of diablo 2 that looks "cartoonish".
Have you seen how the player characters look in that intro goofy 3d graphics they use when you're picking one? The cow level?

>>376207856
>Diablo 2 had cool down
Name *one* that isn't limited by animation times

>Cool down metas in fights that can take well over an hour vs fight that can take anywhere from 0.1 to 30 seconds
You're the reason shit games keep being made. Blizzard markets to brain-dead fucks like you, and there's a fyckton of you

>>376202276
t.Retard McFaggotson

>>376208232
Of course, but none of the games in the Diablo series are gothic horror considering that none of them have the aspect of romanticism of horror that makes gothic horror what it is.

>>376208310
>Cool down metas in fights that can take well over an hour vs fight that can take anywhere from 0.1 to 30 seconds
This is not how cooldowns are though you fucking idiot. Why do you guys insist on talking about things you have no clue on? Hour long CDs don't have jack shit to do with Diablo III, nor in most other games CD management. CD management comes into play with CDs that are 30 seconds to 3 minutes long. It gets even more in-depth with Diablo 3 because with the right gear you can reduce CD time so you need to best figure out how you face obstacles.

Don't call me braindead when you're dickriding the game that has a goddamn Hammerdin, the game with Summonmancer, the game where nobody has more than two moves.

>>376204045
>le dark edgy

How to spot the retards

>>376207856
Cooldowns were extremely short, only on 23 skills, half of those were summons or skills with more duration than cooldown, and they were not a good idea to begin with´. I suspect some were made due to technical issues with many entities, because what the fuck is the point of a .6 second cooldown on shock web? Most of them seem to be skills like frozen orb or plague javelin, which confirms my suspicions.

Blocking wouldn't be OP as fuck in a diablo game, it's a basic feature of almost all action games, you would just have to make it about timing windows or whatever. And I concede that diablo 3 has movement concerns, but it's done in such a lame and uneventful way with "don't stand on the fire" being almost everything, there's no subtlety. Aiming isn't important at all in any diablo game, it's simplistic as fuck.

And blizzard might have learned how to deal with cooldowns, but that doesn't make them not suck fucking ASS. It's an action game, spending the entire fucking game waiting for your cooldowns to go off rotation is absolutely godawful. They even have 2 minute long cooldowns! Like give me a break, a diablo resource system (if they have any, since the mana is barely a concern later in the game and therefore doesn't really count) should be based around combo meters or something that lets you push harder the better you are, not leave you waiting for the fucking elevator. How the fuck is it a good system that you can only cast seven-sided strike every 30 seconds for example?
>>376208285
Nice, you didn't find a screen, so you post the opinions of a a fucking cartoonist like it matters you weaselly little faggot.
>class screen
It's not cartoony, it's just primitive graphics.
>cow level
I was aware of the cow level option, but I didn't think you wouldn't realize that you would look retarded for your only example being the fucking joke level filled with demonic bovines.

>>376199645
>assassin and druid are in the pic
Vanilla only please.

Barbarian.

>>376208787
Have you ever seen blocking in a top down ARPG? No? Yeah, neither have I.

>And I concede that diablo 3 has movement concerns, but it's done in such a lame and uneventful way with "don't stand on the fire" being almost everything, there's no subtlety.
Uhhh...did you not make it far? I ain't letting a Jailer touch me, ground aoe, projectile, melee, w/e. EVERYTHING hits much harder in D3 than D2, and with the difficulty essentially increasing constantly unlike D2 that stops at Hell, movement is everything.

>spending the entire fucking game waiting for your cooldowns to go off rotation is absolutely godawful
Why the hell would you just be not doing anything until CDs go off? That's fucking retarded. You do other moves and shit while your CDs are refreshing. Your CDs aren't the primary form of attack or the main move; they are supplements to a wider moveset.

I am not entirely sure where you learned of CDs, but your perspective on them is very skewed and fake honestly since no game ever has had character mechanics where it's only the 30 second CD and nothing else.

>>376208787
>It's not cartoony, it's just primitive graphics.
I have literally been saying that the low fidelity graphics make it more cartoony than serious. The comic I posted is kinda making fun of that.

>I was aware of the cow level option, but I didn't think you wouldn't realize that you would look retarded for your only example being the fucking joke level filled with demonic bovines.
I gave you another example, and you also only asked for one. Be grateful I even gave two.

>>376209137
>Have you ever seen blocking in a top down ARPG? No? Yeah, neither have I.
diablo should be a third person game, there's no real reason in this age

and when your cooldowns aren't up you alternate your resource spender/resource consumption skill, which feels like a cooldown in itself

>>376209250
you confusing low-fidelity with cartoony is not our problem, almost everything in diablo 2 follows realistic proportions, textures, colors (disregarding spells and all the monsters), lighting, even architecture and so on

unlike diablo 3 that doesn't have realistic proportions, textures, colors, lighting or architecture

>I gave you another example, and you also only asked for one. Be grateful I even gave two.

your example was wrong and reaching for the cow level shows that you don't even believe in your own argument (or that you're very, very stupid)

>>376209137
>Have you ever seen blocking in a top down ARPG? No? Yeah, neither have I.

Nox

>>376209269
>diablo should be a third person game, there's no real reason in this age
D3 and the YS series are both excellent examples of top down ARPGs.

>and when your cooldowns aren't up you alternate your resource spender/resource consumption skill, which feels like a cooldown in itself
Ummm...no? Even basic ass Barbarian relies on having to make dynamic choices related to equipment buff abilities vs using other active skills because of how equipment buff's tied to certain attacks which use the same resource as the other active skills.

>>376209702
Huh, I guess it's hard for you to get that the low fidelity rough look makes everything look cartoonish instead of super serious. Lol if you think the female characters or the Barbarian have realistic proportions. Again, low fidelity textures aren't realistic. Things that are sturdy in game don't look that sturdy for example. Having brighter colors in supposedly darker places is not realistic either.

Also,

>literally using realism as a good thing in games
How unimaginative do you have to be to believe this? Bet you must hate a lot of Japanese games for their colorful, varied, and overthetop looks as well.

>>376209928
>How unimaginative do you have to be to believe this? Bet you must hate a lot of Japanese games for their colorful, varied, and overthetop looks as well.
I don't, I hate diablo 3 because it looks like dogshit

>>376209843
Is it an actual block or is it what most games like this have (a chance based thing)?

>>376209992
Dogshit isn't that colorful, imaginative nor overthetop as Diablo 3 though. Rather, dogshit literally has more in common with the drab brownish color of Diablo 2 and D2's kinda "dead"ish feel.

>>376210073
ok nice opinion but it's trash and wrong
>d3
>imaginative
lol it's literally the result of blizzard being creatively lazy and unable to leave the WoW art style, there's not a creative polygon in the entire game

>>376210009
It is an actual block. Spells can be blocked. Certain weapons were only blockable by shields while others can be blocked by greatsword or staff. The trick to it is your guy doesn't instantly bring up his block

>>376210073
dogshit routinely is filled with plastic and littlle bits and worms so yes, it is. Being served a thousand flavors of garbage at the same time doesn't miraculously make for a 4 star diner

>>376210225
Are Picasso's consecutive cubist works creatively lazy because his first cubist work was his first? Blizzard's signature artstyle has been like that as far back as Warcraft 3. SC2 is done in a similar style as well. The SC1/Diablo/Diablo 2 is antiquated garbage (though Diablo 1 at least has the atmosphere right so its aesthetics are actually kinda alright.)

Enchiladamancer

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>>376199645
>pick druid
>want to be wolverine
>it's an utter garbage wanna zealer

Zealdin or Wolf Druid.

>>376210338
Plastic, worms, sounds like some low fidelity stuff like Diablo 2. D3 dog is eating the high quality stuff, you know.

>>376210264
That's pretty cool actually with the different block properties based on equipment, does it have evasive maneuvers akin to D3 as well?

>>376210464
Contrast is objectively worse and honestly outdated in fashion these days. Only loser nerds that wanna go for simple because they aren't patrician do the contrast in their art/fashion.

serious question

Why can't I find people to play matches with in D3? every difficulty through the campaign always shows 0 players?

>>376210702
Because adventure mode exists.

>>376210667
>Contrast is objectively worse
holy shit talking about wrong opinions

>>376210667
>Contrast is objectively worse and honestly outdated in fashion these days. Only loser nerds that wanna go for simple because they aren't patrician do the contrast in their art/fashion.

I'm not any of the guys you're talking to, and I get that you're just being a fucker for the sake of being a fucker. Regardless, I'm just a passing artist who wanted to politely ask you to kill yourself you clueless cunt.

>>376210413
>Are Picasso's consecutive cubist works creatively lazy because his first cubist work was his first? Blizzard's signature artstyle has been like that as far back as Warcraft 3.
I don't give a fuck about picasso, it's completely obvious to anyone watching that blizzard is unwilling or incompetent to switch from their comfy warcraft artstyle. WC3 was cartoony as all hell, so I don't know why you're defending D3 as non-cartoony. And diablo 2 is antiquiated, but the style isn't. For a game that looks like it could be a contemporary D2, just look at dark souls, games which look a lot better than the lazy, cheap and derivative diablo 3.

>>376210667
>Contrast is objectively worse and honestly outdated in fashion these days. Only loser nerds that wanna go for simple because they aren't patrician do the contrast in their art/fashion.
oh ok you're trolling nevermind

>>376210596
wolf druid poor mans zealot

>>376210702
>campaign
Everybody's extremely high level that's why. You gotta have dipped your feet in the pool of endgame to get to the others.

>>376210702
Just ask in chat a few times if someone is willing to let you leech some XP from a few runs. It only takes like 5 minutes to get to max level that way. There's plenty of people that will do it, since the game is older now and more players = more players.

>>376210820
>>376210849
>>376210856
>getting this triggered when it comes to the truth
Literally refer to >>376208285 THIS is what muh contrast is. I would rather have many colors than just two.

>>376210856
Well, if you think about it, there's the "more realistic" style of SC/Diablo1/2 and the "cartoony" of all the games since. It's obvious that the latter ages better, so of course Blizzard goes for that. Shitty attempts at realism never have any lasting value in the gaming world aesthetically because something more objectively realistic will succeed it.

>>376211137
>I would rather have many colors than just two.

I don't think you know what contrast is, my friend. It exists on a spectrum, like your autism. An image has a low point and a high point. Whichever there is less of pops out more. Meaning, you have deep contrast, but more dark than light. The light color will be very impactful in the image. It will "pop out". Same the other way around.

You see this a lot in Diablo 2, actually. Certain parts of the image are very striking.

Another benefit of high contrast is that the details in general read much easier and are thus much easier on the eyes and much more "pleasant" in general. With low contrast, things do not read well and especially in moving images (like in games (diablo 3)) things can be very confusing and hard to follow at times.

Basically, fuck off really.

>>376211137
>Literally refer to >>376208285 THIS is what muh contrast is. I would rather have many colors than just two.
That's nice, maybe you should look for a game other than diablo 3 since they feel like turning every dungeon into a flourescent monochrome shitpit for no reason


>Well, if you think about it, there's the "more realistic" style of SC/Diablo1/2 and the "cartoony" of all the games since. It's obvious that the latter ages better, so of course Blizzard goes for that. Shitty attempts at realism never have any lasting value in the gaming world aesthetically because something more objectively realistic will succeed it.
of course, which is why d2 and SCBW were played for years and years while diablo 3 and SC2 are dead
muh longevityfags are the absolute worst

>>376199713
>nigger goblin
Isn't Diablo 2 one of the few games in the world with fantasy medieval theme and have no goblins in them?

>>376211505
he's talking about the fallen

>>376211368
>variations on the same two colors is some spectrum
This is like the fucking next level faggot version of that gender spectrum episode of Bill Nye. Of course such things would seem more pleasant to plebs who can't comprehend real art.

>>376211391
>D3
>monochrome
>especially compared to D2
I think you might wanna give even D2 a spin since you actually like that one, because I don't think you remember what it looked like.

>of course, which is why d2 and SCBW were played for years and years while diablo 3 and SC2 are dead
Diablo 3 literally still has new content to this day. D2 hasn't had anything else outside of balance patch type things within the first or second year of LOD.

Diablo 3 is also the best selling Blizzard game of all time along with Overwatch. SC2 has managed to do the best possible job keeping RTSs relevant that not even SC1 has managed to be able to do today.

Hype aside, SC2 with all expansions is only a couple million copies behind SC1+BW, selling considerably faster than SC1+BW. The only real recognized RTS competitive scene is for SC2, if SC1 was that much better it would've been a Street Fighter 2 Super Turbo situation, but it isn't.

>>376199645
Drood

trapsin

>>376211962
>sales
>talking about longevity
please take your schizophrenia medication before starting your internet browser

>Diablo 3 literally still has new content to this day. D2 hasn't had anything else outside of balance patch type things within the first or second year of LOD.
ah yes the new content everyone blazes through in a weekend and drops the game immediately after

we're talking playerbase liveliness, not developer liveliness

>>376212213
What the fuck are you on about? People also quit/came back for ladder in D2 as well, except D3's take isn't as braindead and simple on the basis of the content required to be cleared.

Better selling game, more content, people still play it, better graphics, better everything. Now stop being a salty fuck because you prefer the inferior game in the series.

>>376212491
alright enjoy the rest of your subhuman life

GUYS JUST PLAY WHAT YOU WANT. EVERYTHING IS GOOD.

>>376199645
Necro and just spam the entire screen with my undead army with some golems then badly realize that they do jackshit against diablo

>>376199645
bonemancer
>>376199746
full on soldier fuck secondary classes

>>376199746
Soldier-Arcanist and just go full on elemental shooty supreme.

If there's one thing GD does better than other ARPGs, it's making builds feel actually satisfying and effective at end game.

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>>376199645
paladin and necro master race
young me sure as fuck didn't know what i was doing but good god was it fun

only kids who wore torn up black clothes, fingerless gloves and long wallet chains played necro

Why did it go so wrong?
I was so excited when this video first came out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q17FDfU7-ds

>>376206692
HoTS is fun though. It's casualized shit but it's self aware and embraces it's designation. In a decidedly unfriendly genre of grindy, toxic clones HoTS at least does something different, and is mostly free so you can play till you get bored.

D3 on the other hand, is a complete disappointment that presents itself as a successor to one if the best cult games of all times and fucks up absolutely everything. It's decent, but in no way have Blizzard addressed what made D2 great

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>>376199645
ALL WHO A OPPOSE ME
BEWARE

>>376204024
Google some rune words and get your ass a Stealth chest piece.

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>>376199746
>can't play because endless reboot bug
Goddammit and Idk when their new patch will be out. This has only happened once before and it disappeared with an update.

>>376214287

Going to be confusing fighting Malthael, since they both use death magic.

>>376213634

>that part where the beast does moves based on where you are that instant kill you
>bites you in half

This was such bullshit, the end product was nothing like what they showed. Why are Blizzard so fucking hopeless

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>>376213374
Holy shit are you me?
>Dem auras and cool ass melee skills.
>All dose skellies and bomb ass bone spells.
Their armor sets looked cool as shit too.
>Tfw going from armor only changing every 20-30 levels or so to all the god damn time and EVERY FUCKING PIECE.

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I AM STRONG, LIKE A MAN IS MEANT TO BE

>>376203583
>in D2 it's crunchy and has a great feeling
for me it's the opposite. D2 feels like cookie clicker to me, completely weightless. When I hit a dude in TQ with a strong attack he goes flying and it makes a nice meaty 'chunk'-sound. in D2 everybody just crumples. game speed option was needed though.

>>376202096
According to the books, Necros aren't that edgy.

>>376199645
Paladin

>Max out zeal as early as possibly
>spam zeal and watch entire packs get shredded to fucking ribbons

It was amazing.

>>376199645
So I never played Diablo 2 because reasons, but man, do I want to.
It still looks amazing and charming.
Diablo 3 looks like garbage, and Im not even biased, since I never played a diablo game before at all

Anyway
What classes/builds do you recommend playing for the first time?
And after that, what are the 'best' classes, if theres any?