How do we bring back the RTS genre?

You mean mobas?

You mean point and clicks for hardcore fedoras? You don't.

>>376199556
you don't

it serves a niche, and continues to serve that niche

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>>376199556
Dawn of War 3 was apparently dogshit.

It'd help if some actual good games came out

>>376199615
This, the RTS genre never died it just evolved.

Not all evolutions are an improvement, but RTS weren't that good to begin with.

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>>376199894
Steel Division is coming out

RTS never dies, RTT just becomes more mainstream.
>>376200014
Shut your whore mouth.

>>376199556
Nobody wants to play autistic buildorder micro macro clicky clicky cursor edge scrolly scrolly garbage

>>376200227
That's the reason why RTT with no base building/macro/gookclick became more popular

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>>376200134

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>>376199556
Like this.

>shitty generic threads like this are not deleted
>actually good and fun threads like that impossible quest thread gets deleted

Mods are homosexual faggots.

>>376200824

>imblying these aren't bot threads created by the website itself because they get 400 guaranteed replies and boost ad revenue

How new are you

>>376199556
just lay it to rest.

>>376199556
Gookclick killed it. Now it has a reputation for autismo clicking

>>376200134
>>376200402
Any prototype units like in Wargame?

>>376199556
You play Supreme Commander Forged Alliance.

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>>376201343
Nope, its up to 1944 tech

>>376199556
Make good games more often than once in a fucking decade, for once.

>>376201469
There still were some protos like the Ram, T14, Sentinels.
Nevertheless, a Wargame: World War II was a long time coming.

The RTS fandom not being a pile of sharpened shitsticks and not crying while clutching like retarded babies to copies of SupCom and C&C3.

Seriously, good fucking RTS like AoTS or GG came out, but the autistic RTS fandom won't support both because its not the former

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Bring back Westwood, have them make a proper finale to Tiberium Twilight with an ending that makes sense, not that garbage shit EA put out, then have them make Red Alert 4. Huge maps with hundreds of units all fighting at once, with the charming over the top B list actors in the cut scenes.

Dawn of War 3 and Company of Heroes 2 already saved RTS, what are you talking about OP?

>>376200134
How fast paced/micro intensive is it?

Release Halo Wars 2 on Steam because it's actually good and plays a lot like Red Alert 2 but it's retarded holding it back on Wangblows store.

Something something MOBA something something RTS is outdated something something Casual shits etc
Why do you keep making these threads?

>>376201696
Thats Petroglyph games and their last good game was empire at war. HD mod just out too.

>>376202517
Its a lot slower than Wargame and you can play it competently with a beginner's micro

Fuck you guys. Everyone of you pretends to be RTS fans, but all you do is masturbate to your ten year old RTS games without really giving a shit about whats new. Starcraft 2 fixed its initial match-up problems that it had back in WOL. Did you guys come back to play? Nope. Company Of Heroes 2 removed its dumb shit, and is now far more balanced and has match-ups with more than just the main two factions thus being better than COH1 in every way. Did you guys care? Nope. Dawn Of War 3 tried something completely different with the RTS genre with insane amount of individual unit customization through doctrines, a totally different strategic pacing/approach required to achieve goals, and bringing another fresh role for buildings in an RTS. Did you guys like the most recent game with potential to revive the genre? Nope.

You guys aren't actual RTS fans, just nostalgia fags dickriding the same old games from the early-mid 2000s. Feel free to pretend to be actual RTS fans if the delusion helps make you feel better, but in reality your pretensions are only cancer to the genre. So maybe it's better if you kill yourselves.

>>376202873
>Starcraft 2
didn't read lol

>>376200134
Looks like a discount Wargame.

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>>376202942
It's made by the same guys who did Wargame

>>376201413
dis, the genre is so stale the classics are still beating new releases

>>376202993
That's missing 4 divisions by the way

>>376202873
At least someone gets it.

>>376202993
All right then.
I hope it becomes somewhat popular.
If there's any company that can save RTS it's Eugen.

>>376203046
6 actually

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>Thanks for buying Halo Wars 2, anon! I'm glad to hear you think it's the sleeper GOTY!

>>376200790
>no steam
>only marketplace
Its like they want it to fail on purpose

>Sins of a Solar Empire
>Endless Space
>Company of Heroes
>Kane's Wrath
>SupCom

how has RTS been dead? those games are great and persisted from 2005 and upwards.
these threads are false flagging. you want RTS to be as big as Zelda or some shit and that's just never gonna happen because you can only be super popular if you're also popular with children and most children can't play RTS, it's too complex for them.

>>376203009
Probably the best RTS I have ever played,it needs polishing sure but thats why there is Forged Alliance Forever and constant patches.

we don't. rts are super boring

The average gamer today is legitimately too stupid to handle RTS.

>>376203572
Two of the games you posted are 4X
The other 3 are atleast 10 years old

>>376199556
Well, Starcraft remastered is coming out this summer, that might bring younger generations to discover the RTS genre.

after that, someone needs to come up with a RTS game that is also fun to play as a single player game, either by having a good campaign or by not designing the game to be a e-sports game. The major problem newer RTSs have at the moment is that they usually are designed to be almost multiplayer only games, but since the community is small, fewer people will buy them, because they feel the multiplayer might die instantly. By having good single player features, like a fun campaign, this might be reduced, because people might stop thinking that they're going to waste money in a game that might die immediatly

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>>376203110
>>376203046
Updated

>>376203986
You're far to kind, the average gamer was always too stupid to handle a proper RTS

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>>376203305
Is this a shitpost? Because Halo Wars 2 really is the sleeper GOTY.

>>376204718
i heard the campaign is like 3 hours long and it has that pay2win bullshit multiplayer mode

tell me why it is good. although im suspicious youre just a shill

>>376204338
I see this argument repeated time and time again. Where you kids even alive when RTS games were actually popular? There was a huge glut of single-player orientated RTS games and the genre died out because they almost universally played like shit. Only multiplayer remained because these games actually work better as multiplayer games, but they became completely inaccessable to most people with an extreme focus on micromanagment

>>376200824
there's a board for your autistic roleplaying shit, this is a board for video game discussion

>>376204338
Single player campaigns are a must for me. They let me learn the mechanics without getting curb stomped and its way more fun then playing 1v1 skirmish maps.

>>376204338
Yeah, newer RTS games should really advertise they have a fully fledged single player campaign and not short shitty ones like what CoD would have

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Warcraft 4
There really is no other way, no other choice
Stop deluding yourselves forcing your brain to accept every single new rts that dies in a week.

RTS must focus on SP campaigns again.

It must follow the Warcraft 3/Starcraft standard.

At least 10 scenarios for each race with a decent war story (not hard to do, considering RTS is capable of doing epic conflict stories, not just retarded one or two fight like in action/RPG).

THE GENRE IS NOT DEAD YET, IT'S STILL ALIVE IN EUROPE AND RUSSIA, YOU JUST GOTTA MAKE MORE SP-ORIENTED RTS

>>376205306
Wargame series has been going strong for nearly a decade now.

>>376199556
They shouldn't be focused on multiplayer. Modern playerbase can't handle personal responsibility.

Was Grey Goo any good?

Klepacki OST makes me want to play

>>376205483
I dunno but Cossacks 3 is legit good, but that's because it copies the 1st game, essentially a remake.

Im noticing a trend here,everyone screaming SP RTS while I think the main issue is not having large enough community for multiplayer for these games to go autistic like they do even for mobile games like Castle Crash or modern mobas.
I think it boils down to people not having the time or simply the brain power required for intense RTS match.

>>376205570
The single player campaign is what hooks noobs into the games so they can go into MP.

Look at how WC3 hooks shitton of people due to the SP campaign, even DoW1 attracts people via SP.

>>376205329
>RTS must focus on SP campaigns again.
And not make them incremental fucking DLC

Is there anything similar to Stronghold Crusader?

>>376204338
How the same game with slightly updated textures and higher resolution support impact anything at all? Younger generations already wrote the game off for a variety of reasons.

>>376205656
You are completely wrong if you think that people that pick up games for SP campaign transition into MP afterwards. Only maybe 1 in 20 will do that and even they will quickly see that MP takes too much effort for them and stop.

>>376199556

Are Americans so bad at politics that their only political candidates for president are going to be fucking Kanye Wesst and Mark Zuckerberg?

>>376204885
Yes, I was alive while RTS games were popular, and I see what you're trying to say: too much focus on the single player is dangerous, since the multiplayer part of the game, wich is usually the more popular one, might suffer from it.

What I'm suggesting isn't a return to that period's mentality that "single player is the only thing that matters", I'm simply suggesting that newer games should ALSO focus on the single player side.

RTS games nowadays attract only a small community of people, who already know the genre, while newer people that might want to get into RTS games might think twice about it, because they know that the player pool is small, so not only they might think they are wasting their money on a game that might "die" in a small amount of time, but also they know that they might face people that are WAY more experienced than them. Introducing a single player side might be helpful, since not only people might think that they are not wasting money, since the game offers a lot more to them, but as >>376205074 said, good single player modes are nice, since they introduce you to the game mechanics while offering you what might be a good story, without the risk of getting your ass handed to you by a person that has been playing with RTS for over 10 years

>>376206079
>You are completely wrong if you think that people that pick up games for SP campaign transition into MP afterwards.
this desu, it happened in SC2 where only 20% of people who did SP went onto MP, that is why they made co-op in LotV

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Just out of curiosity who else was hype as fuck for this and paid full price when it came out?

I've had some buyers remorse in my time but nothing comes close to this

>>376199894
>Dawn of War 3 was apparently dogshit.

only if you listen to autists who liked dow2 aka downgraded dow1,
dow3 is much closer to dow1 than shitty dow2
i've already spent 60h playing it and it was pretty good i hope they will add last stand mode and new mp races (with campaign) also fix fucking world builder you cunts i can't save and upload maps without creating map on single run

>>376204338
>Starcraft
>RTS

pick one, it's nothing more than ADHD genre about APM, which i don't want to have anything to do with (starcraft 2 campaign was pretty cool but mp was always shit)

>>376205306
it would be boring shit full of sjw garbage, look at overwatch, i fell for that meme and haven't even played 40h of it before i got bored. Actually i forced to play myself from start, now i can't even do that.

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>>376205369
>Wargame

not an RTS, opinion disregarded

>>376206668
see
>>376206656

>>376206707
Its better than an RTS

>>376200134
>Wargame 1d: WW2 edition
Boring as fuck
And even more RTT than Wargame was, based on the beta.

>>376199556
Pull a Starcraft. Make a game that is both simple enough to gain the attraction of casuals but has a high skill ceiling for competitive gaming.

>>376206803
>Its better than an RTS

it's shit if you can't build base and your units with resources.

It's like cheating with codes while someone would spawn units out of thin air.

>>376206524
I don't understand it eaither. The memes surrounding dow 3 are bizzare. As soon as i played the game i realized that most of those shitposters did not even play it. The game drastically needs content though.

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>>376199556
PLEASE NOTE: strategy goes beyond warfare. Real time strategy doessnt just have to be based on armys fighting each other.
Its just any game where decisions can be made simultaenoustly
I think resouce utilization is also an important part.

>>376206950
The same thing has been happening with Prey. Uninformed shittalking kicked up before the game was released. Makes me wonder where the mods are.

>>376200134
>>376200134
Its really good for seeing Wehraboos complain about how their tanks aren't invincible

So what is the verdict then? Give up on RTS genre? If so what genre to play now?
Playing the same 10+ years old games is really boring.

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>>376208765
RTT is the trend now

>>376199556
Casualize or even get rid of the micromanagement. Focus on the actual strategy.

If people want tactics then they'll just play MOBAs.

>>376208765
Total War, Wargame/Steel Division, Ultimate General are the new honest.

>>376199556
By "bring back" do you mean make it mainstream? Casualize it. Normal people will never play something on the level of Starcraft again.

>>376202938
You're a complete imbecile. You don't actually give a shit about RTS games. You're a teenaged moron who loves to jump on bandwagons.

>>376204338
This is pure delusion. SC Remastered is primarily made for koreans, who still play the original. There is no way normal western people are going to accept stuff like only being able to control 8 units at a time.

>>376209251
12*

>>376204530

>tfw not fast enough to quickly micro the classics (came pretty close with WiC)
>forever turtle

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>>376209462
>WiC is a classic

>>376209520

no, I mean WIC only had 2 special actions per vehicle and a unload/backup button, it's easy then

Still holy fuck 10 years