how is the PS4 able to output graphics as good as this using

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>>376188926

programming trickery and optimization

Bullshots and photo mode.

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>>376188926
devs are forced to optimize their games to run acceptably on consoles unlike pc where they can just throw out a hackjob port and blame performance issues on the user's hardware.

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it's not about the hardware, it's about the artists. If you looked at a wireframe of that scene you'd think it looks low poly. If you saw the textures on their own you'd think they were low res as fuck.

Nothing about this screenshot looks technically better than even skyrim. It's just been put together by competent art directors.

>>376189096
exactly. video games like these are basically all bullshots. that frame you just saw? bullshot. that video you just took of something happening? multiple bullshots. bullshots bullshots bullshots REEEEEEE!!!! NINTENDO ALWAYS WINS!!

"30" fps + bad hair and water

>>376188926
sacrifice the framerate framerate

Whenever I see someone praising Horizon's visuals I imagine the same guy who praises modded Skyrim.
The kind of guy who hasn't stepped outside in 6 years and doesn't know what a tree actually looks like.

>>376188926
30fps. Literally half the work a PC GPU has to do for the standard 60fps there, so a much larger budget for eye candy on comparable hardware.

>>376189326
Well, they aren't forced to. Pretty sure that the new Tekken game coming out isn't even going to hit 1080p. It's not that its impossible, just that the devs can't be assed to optimize.

>>376189818
Horizon's visuals actually remind me a lot of Skyforge.
It's got a weird cartoony look, though unlike with Skyforge I don't think it's what the devs were going for.
Frankly, I don't see why Sonys go so crazy over it on /v/, it's not even the best-looking PS4 game, UC4 looks miles better.

>>376189057
A little optimization goes a long way. PC games could look this great if PC devs weren't such lazy shits when it comes to optimization, but they know they can get away with it because most PC elitists have completely overkill builds.

>>376189958
>the devs can't be assed to optimize.
It's not that simple. You idiot.

You think if mechanical engineers could be "assed" to make a Formula 1 car faster they wouldn't?

Technology is a ubiquitously amalgamating zero-game. The fact that cores are able to make 40% speed gains every year or two is nothing short of amazing.

>>376190436
"optimization" just means lowering visual quality in order to increase performance.
For example, Horizon has pretty awful LoD scaling and generally low-res assets.

>>376190436
>PC games could look this great

Many already do, or better. Hell, the PC version of Assassin's Creed: Unity from two and a half years ago looks way better.

>>376190489
If something as simple as a fighting game can't hit 60fps at 1080p on a PS4 or Xbone, then you can rest assured that they aren't trying very hard.

>>376190535
I mean't to say "PC games could look this great on lower end systems if PC devs..."
My b. I know PC games look good, I'm not retarded.

>>376190436
>PC games could look this great if PC devs weren't such lazy shits
It's not that they're lazy, its that optimizing games for multiple platforms is harder and you have to make compromises in one way or another in terms of what system configurations you want to run better at the sake of others

>>376189929
>Literally half the work a PC GPU
Not exactly. If they can re-use data they will.

I don't know the actual logistics here but H264 re-uses all the data it can in between frames. If the only difference is a guy shifting an inch to the right then the file size is neigh the same.

Optimization, large amounts of fog and other tricks to hide flaws, and the fact that it's all for show.

>>376188926
why do people applaud everything about graphics on horizon on the ps4?

if this was on pc the devs would have been ridiculed to death already

when did /v/ become the sheep?

>>376190738
>I mean't to say "PC games could look this great on lower end systems if PC devs..."
But they already do.
For example, AC Unity on a PS4-tier PC still looks just as good (if not better than) Horizon.

>>376190489
>It's not that simple. You idiot.
At this point, yes it is. Developers have 4+ years of experience with the hardware. Being unable to optimize for said hardware is incompetence.

>>376190783
>if this was on pc
But it's not

>>376190916
No it isn't. You don't know anything about technology nor do you appreciate the bigger picture.

It takes a special kind of genius to optimise performance.

>>376190783
It's just typical Sony fan wankery, it'll pass once they get a new decent-looking game to meme about.
I hear Days Gone will fill that void pretty well.

>>376191020
>No it isn't.
Yes it is. The hardware is well-documented and static. This isn't PC hardware where there are a million different possible hardware configurations to consider, this is console hardware. One hardware configuration, period.

Build your game within the limitations of said hardware or fuck off.

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>>376191148
The specific console is not the delimiter, you fucking cretin

We have devices that do that. They're called "drivers". The software (the game) wouldn't work without it

But please, don't let your complete lack of understanding about something stop you from having a strong opinion about it

>>376191117
Days Gone doesn't look very good and RDR will BTFO it in every single way.

>>376191350
>We have devices that do that. They're called "drivers". The software (the game) wouldn't work without it
Do tell me how drivers in any way affect the hardware power of the console, anon. All a driver does is act as a middleman between the software and hardware.

All you're doing is proving developers are lazy and lack talent.

>>376191570
That won't stop Sony fans from wanking over it.

>>376189492
this, programming can do all the tricks in the world but if your artists are inefficient and bad you're going to get a game that runs like ARK no matter how good your engineers are.

>>376190489
>engineering a motor that can push land speed to the limit = making a game well optimized at 1080p 60fps

This is what pretentious anons believe. You know shit about games.

>>376191721
>Do tell me how drivers in any way affect the hardware power of the console, anon.
They don't. That's what I just said.

The way the software performs on the relative hardware is neigh irrelevant.

What is relevant is finding new and creative intangible ways to eliminate what you need to render at run-time that describe a whole philosophy about how technology works and why it exists.

If you've discovered a profound new way to execute computer programs or fabricated a new recursive pathfinding algorithm the please write a paper on the subject and collect your nobel prize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX40hbAHx3s

>>376190436
>PC games could look this great
Haha oh dear where to even start.