Why magic is so fucking useless in this game? I picked a mage

>>376163004
No more easymode, you actually need a lot of stats and rings to do tons of damage with magic.

magic builds being easy-mode is a meme

besides demon souls, going through any of the games using only magic is a pain in the ass unless you cheat with some quality weapon

Everything has their ups and downs, You won't be able to one shot anything at the start with any build. With any build what so ever it is set up to where you have to stick with it for it to really flourish. You get a taste of what you can be around level 30-35ish

Also eventually int will be the most dependable ranged you can have and you will be able to one shot most things and can melt bosses with it. You just can't be like level 40 anymore with dark bead and instantly kill anything like in dark souls 1

It's usable just pointless cancer.
I promise you there are two things sorceryfags say:

> just use this trash straight sword build as you wait until the fucking end of the game collecting all the components of this cookie cutter build
> just use spook+invis to not actually experience the horrible sorcery PVE and use this trash straight sword build to boss rush

The worst part is that they have all these meme spellsword things to compensate for the game design but removed the blue flame.

>>376163085
yeah ezmode is grabbing a str weapon and hitting up 66 or just going quality

>>376163180
This is not true at all. In DaS I was the Death destroyer of worlds.

>>376163384
also DS2 had hexing lol, and some of the best spell verity

You could also rush what you want in non-linear map, like CMG and crystal soul spear from Freja.

>>376163004
Magic is not intended to be used in Dark Souls 3. The developers made sure that it's useless. The only way to use magic is gimmicky buff builds.

>>376163004
idk about das3 but in das1 and das2 early game sucks as a sorcerer if enemies get up close and personal faster than you can nuke them with magic but mid to late game you start to one shot and two shot most enemies so after that it's no problemo until you get to the dlc and everything has a million magic resist ;_;

>>376163706
>The developers made sure that it's useless.
Sausage please.

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>being anything other than a STRbro

>>376163721
and for a sorcerer build (not a dark magic/hexer build, luckily in dark souls 2 that's possible unlike dark souls 1) you can go the enchanted weapon upgrade path so your weapon's damage will scale with intelligence but not do magic damage to the enemy so enemies with high magic resist won't be slow to kill.

>>376163926
>uses quickstep

>>376163004
>wah I can't oneshot things from miles away and might actually have to be in danger and avoid attacks to set up spells now
All you need to do is get to Yoel anyway, Heavy Soul Arrows can two shot anything and the Deep Axe lets you save on FP. Once you get to him you pick up Soul Greatsword and the Dark Hand and you don't need to worry about anything, and you can even get Pyromancy shortly after for added versatility. Play the game you're playing and adapt, not the one you assume you should be allowed to while ignoring all reason and common sense.

>>376163926
heavy longsword all day baby.

You're fucking garbage you can breeze through the entire game with soul arrow and no points spent in vit

>>376163926
I think DEX two-handed halberd, scythe, and greatsword users are honorary STRbros

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Pyromancy is where you want to be for magic. Its hilariously good.

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>>376164109
Here comes the hardcore kid!

IDK after 2 they decided magic should be useless in BB and DS3

>>376164194
>calling pyromancy magic
no...pyromancy is it's own thing.

>>376164194
What if enemies are fire-resistant?

>>376163004
>complains that magic isn't strong enough when it's literally easy mode
>posts xbone cover

this is funny to me

>>376164115
>Dex Astora Greatsword with Leo Ring
So much pleasure

>>376164109
You can breeze the whole game with str or dex as well, faith might be a problem until you get a dragonslayer axe but I know for a fact that a sl 1 build with dragonslayer axe can solo the game

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*tanks and outdamages hyper armor weapons*

>>376164310
Playing on the PS$ though.

>>376164293
you simply use a weapon that isn't infused with fire. I prefer to use a fire weapon if i'm playing as pyro but it's always good to have a normal damage type weapon incase you deal with fire resistant enemies. or you can just toxic mist them to death, assuming they can be toxic'd.

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Destroying twink mages with gundyr's halberd is fun.
They don't know how to deal with it

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>>376164287
>>376164293
>Throwing fire balls
>Somehow not magic.

If they are fire resistant you have a few other spells up your sleeve. The hex fire balls handle them nicely and when all else fails, bring out the dagger.

>>376164446
So how does fire weapon scale with fire damage exactly?

Not sure what all the people saying magic sucks were even doing. I did a sorceress playthrough recently and magic isn't quite as strong as in DS1 or 2 but it still trivializes the game. You need all ring slots, the candlestick, dusk crown, sacrifice most of your estus, and you have to level as a glass cannon. But this isn't even an issue since seriously pretty much nothing can fucking hurt you after you get great soul arrow and great heavy soul arrow. You'll kill weaker enemies in one hit and strong ones like cathedral knights, red eye lothric knights etc in 2 or 3. They can't even get fucking close to you. And almost all the bosses just absolutely melt. Not to even mention most of them don't have the moveset to counter ranged play.

It's just silly how fucking strong magic is and it makes the game really boring because you can sleepwalk through it.

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>>376164482
pyromancy is actually chi powers ala Dragon Ball

>>376164287
>being the type of sorcerer the game makes fun of in the sword spell descriptions
Many Pyromancies have stat requirements that lean far more towards Intelligence, if you're not using them when you can all you're doing is limiting your own options while investing in a stat that prioritizes damage and attack options.

>>376164482
It always seemed to me that pyromancy should be the ability the undead always have with their perversion to fire and being linked

second being int with dark magic representing humanity

>>376164617
You don't even need all those extra damage buffs to be powerful, but it should be noted that all spell types actually have access to so many flat damage buff equipment options.

>>376164656
>ywn impregnate that eyebrow gremlin
why live

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>>376164656
Pyromancy is literally demon magic as established in DS1

>>376164115
Scythebros are cool

>>376163004
Mother fucker I just started my first magic build 2 days ago in DaS3 and I'm only 5 hours in and with leveling INT and upgrading the staff you find before crystal sage and the mage ring you start with I can already 1 shot any shit enemy and 2-4 shot nearly everything else, and when that doesn't work I have a crystal Uchi that scales with INT as well.

>>376164590
do you mean what stat improves fires damage? In dark souls 2 faith seemed to improve your fire damage (the fire longsword you find in the room nearby the giant fire lizard has like B scaling with faith but no actual faith requirements).

>>376164978
Yeah, but I was talking about DaS3.

If magic doesn't work out to you're liking I really recommend a str build and using the millwood bow for you're range. It works so good against fighting bosses.

>>376163926
>smack head on headrest while asleep
>shotgun falls out and misfires into your waifus head
gr8 design would murder that cunt again

>>376165049
oh sorry idk then.

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>>376164948
>Mage with katana

>>376164590
>>376165049
Fire damage generally scales with both Intelligence and Faith, like Dark damage. It's somewhat like Quality Sorcery.

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>>376165051
>you're

But yeah the bow is great. I don't think any str build should be without it and if you can't hold it with the 12 dex requirement you can just switch to the carthus milk ring for a second.

>>376164287
autism

>>376164404
That truly only does work on retards though, which is lucky considering that's 90 percent of the people playing this game

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>>376165195
Thanks for replying anyway!

>>376165147
do you have autisitic spasms while you sleep?

>>376165360
I have really bad night terrors so basically yes

>>376165243
Thanks.

What is the best PvE weapon?

>>376165345
np, thanks for the pic...i want to say she's cute but I suspect that she is actually a he.

>>376165684
Unfortunately men can't have hips like that anon.

>>376165684
>he

>>376164287
Sorcery is only one of 3 types of magic nerd.

I haven't played DS3 for nearly a year now. I stopped because some faggot glitcher invaded me and somehow got me soft banned. Did they ever end up nerfing the estoc or the dark sword?

>>376165684
Dudes don't have a body shape like that. It's an easy way to tell a trap from a female

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>>376165802
>Unfortunately

>>376165813
Oh boy, you think the estoc and dark sword is the meta now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R-6kwJ3NPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66EGk9cciyM

This is what you'll see a lot of now. Might estoc and darksword are a bit less now, but that's because they tweaked poise in hyper armor movesets a tiny bit.

>>376165634
Any straight sword.

>>376165634
Personally my vote goes out for the Greatsword (ultra-greatsword, not just any greatsword)

At 28 Str and 10 Dex you're gonna hit about 580 Ar endgame and around the high 400's +6, Pretty good for low investment, paired with the reach and stunlocking ability I say it is hard to go wrong with it.

And if you want to go 2 more points into dex for 12 dex you can also pair it up with a millwood greatbow which is my favorite pve bow.

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just be an edgy dark faithbro then
had ~1200 AR with lloyd, dark clutch, red tearstone, dark eyecover, oath and dark weapon with this baby

>>376165802
oh damn, yeah I feel like an idiot know. Those hips are god-tier.

>>376165807
Dark Souls is the only game series i've ever played that has dark fantasy elements (hearthstone doesn't count because that's just pay-to-win casual shit). I never learned how to play Magic the Gathering either so all of "knowledge" of magic types is from dark souls for the most part. Someone told me that "miracles" in dark souls is referred to as divine magic in Dungeons and Dragons (what mainly clerics and paladins use), sorcery is arcane magic, so what is pyromancy called? heretical magic? demon magic?

>>376165885
I'm bisexual, so If there were actually men with womanly hips my dick would explode with so much semen it would wipe out all life on earth.

Would be worth it though.

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>>376165978
>InfernoPlus

>>376166286
didn't want to spend too much time looking for a video

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>>376166248
Would you hit that?

>>376165634
Listen you fucking retard, there have now been five souls games and even in the worst of them any weapon is viable for pve. Do the world a favor and fucking off yourself with these dumb ass questions

>>376166225
In other fantasy settings i'd say pyromancy is a branch in sorcery, You know since magic will most likely have ''fire ball' in other games.

>>376163004
>This is not Bloodborne you fucking niggers.

Yep

>>376166475
Should I use a bigger weapon then?

>>376166218
Just faith? What are you're stats my man?

I-It's not like I want to copy you or anything...

>>376166438
That looks like an alien wearing a skinsuit so I would have to see what the alien underneath looks like first.

>>376166553
I'd say at least get something that can stunlocking,

Damage is good and all but unless you can control your enemies damage is useless.

>>376166481
right, I remember watching a little bit of someone's Diablo 2 playthrough (i didnt even know that the game was a dark fantasy game with paladins, sorcerers, and all that jazz before I saw that lobos jr had a Diablo 2 playthrough on his channel) and they were playing as a sorcerer but they were casting arcane magic as well as pyromancy/fire magic.

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>>376166614
>alien
pretty close

>>376166926
Makes sense to me, a sorcerer is a dedicated life-long student at heart so it'd make sense they wouldn't limit themselves to one certain type of magic.

>>376167175
Pyromancy is literally nigger magic.

>>376167303
k

>>376167350
Read descriptions of your "spells" if you don't believe.

>>376167413
I'm not talking about dark souls with that go, this has gone beyond that. Its not that I don't believe its just that I don't care to put effort towards you if you don't to me.

>>376167175
I wish they made sorcery and pyromancy have a much more exotic and mysterious vibe in dark souls. Not many npc's and enemies in the dark souls series that deal are associated with sorcery and/or pyromancy really intrigue me. Laurentius from dark souls 1 is just this very hippy-like guy who loves nature...and the pyro trainer girl from dark souls 2 is not interesting at all.

>>376163004
>Why magic is so fucking useless in this game?
I don't know mister ESL, you tell me.

>>376167506
with that guy I mean, I really should get sleep.

>>376167528
How about daughter of chaos from DaS1?

>>376167528
At least the spell descriptions have some interesting info, the only interesting person I liked was Logan from 1 since he represented a sorcerer and always looked for new knowledge and even created new spells and his ambition of such knowledge led to his downfall

>>376166578
40/40 str/faith actually.
The red tearstone adds a lot tho so it is not that great for pvp as you mainly want to hyperarmor with L2 through people's attacks. Also the dark blindfold makes you lose 3/4 of your health if you get hit by the suicide bomb attack but you shouldn't anyway. Dark clutch is nerfed in pvp so I mainly use just sacred oath, dark weapon and lloyd and have like ~800AR.
also don't bother with INT it adds like 3AR if you have it at 40.
You will kill everyone my friend *screeeeeeam*

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>>376163004
>Why magic is so fucking useless in this game? I picked a mage because I wanted to be able to one shot every living & undead thing, but apparently it's not possible anymore! This is not Bloodborne you fucking niggers.

Try again, dumb mongoloid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSoqm35Uihg

>>376168176
Greatswords and halberds are quality weapons aren't they?

>>376168176
>pyromancy
>magic

>>376168268
Greatswords and halberds can generally work as just str or dex but usually benefit more from quality.

Some weapons like winged knight halberd benefit from strength the most while (even though not a greatsword but an ultra) Astora Greatsword gets just about 543 AR with only investment into dex and sharp

>>376168516
I meant to say it is situational, of course.


lack of sleep fucking too much with me,
see you later

>>376168516
So scythes are the only long ranged melee pure dex weapons?

>>376167762
well yeah i should have mentioned them, lol. Their story is sad and kind of interesting because of how their mother birthed the chaos demons but it's ashame it comes to a conclusion with the gimmicky boss that is the Bed of Chaos. And yes they seem pretty spooky in the trailer but I wish they were more exotic. The gold hemmed set gives off a a nice spooky vibe and goes with grim dark yet comfy vibe of dark souls 1 but I wish there were other pyromancers in dark souls 1 that were more extreme and exotic. Like occult pyromancers that lived in some forest in oolacile that worshipped Manus or some other dark entity. Also the name for the armor set the daughters of chaos wear is not fitting imo. "Gold Hemmed Set" sounds like it would be some type of holy robe only maidens from the Way of White would have and it would give some kind of faith related buff (like hp regen).

>>376168405
Pyromancy is a type of magic, alongside Sorcery and Miracles. Each of these are powerful.

>>376163926

>not being quality

Seek balance in all things, friend.

>>376168610
I mean, there's that lothric knight spear that's pretty good, but yeah scythes are one but I find that they are really only as long as longswords when used in actual combat. I think Strength even has better ''long ranged'' weapons in my opinion with ultra greatswords.

Come to think of it I think the longest reaching dex weapon is the Astora Greatsword I believe with it's R2, Does good damage too when fully charged and especially more so if you have a leo ring.

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>>376168624
>witch cult that spawned eldritch monstrosities is not "exotic" or extreme enough

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>tfw just lost 400k souls

>>376169142
>souls meaning anything to you after reaching level 50-60ish

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>>376165203
>using a one handed melee weapon that isn't a katana in DaS3

>>376169271
>Not using katanas with two hands

Post SL25 builds for invading in Road of Sacrifices.

>>376169142
it's your fault for being in a situation where you even had the chance to lose them? Like if you were deep in the middle of a level had no homeward bones and you got invaded so you couldnt just exit the game quickly to avoid death then you either try and book it to the nearest bonfire OR die on purpose and make sure not to die again before retrieving your souls. But being that you were walking around with 400K souls I'm guessing it's not your first playthrough or anything...how did you fuck up this badly?

>>376169435
Dump every point into VIT and use darkhand and have a parry shield, such as small leather shield.

there u go, make sure to bring a dagger for quickstepping ultra weapons. Also I think you get more invasions there at level 35, I tested it this morning actually and that proved to be true.

>>376163004
>this is not bloodborne
it's heavily inspired by Bloodborne, since it was made by the same team right after they finsihed Bloodborne. It's no surpised the combat is similarly fast-paced and magic was neglected.

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>>376169402
But I want to hit 150.

>>376169517
I gambled too big.

>>376169559
>vit
I think you meant vigor champ

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>>376169271
>>376169402
>using katanas at all

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>>376169402
>25% more stamina usage for >3% more damage

>>376168963
>only get to talk to one of these witches
>pretty nice girl
>will sell you op pyromancy
>tells you brief lore on her and her family
>then disappears once you buy all her shit and do her questline
they could have done way better.

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real answer is because you can respec in the game, so there's no reason to actually play as a low level mage ever.

just go for an easy mode str/dex build until you get to the archives and get the good spells, then swap over to int/att and start wrecking the place.

>>376169589
>combat is similarly fast-paced
this is cool
>magic was neglected
this is not

>>376169715
It's DaS man. What did you expect? Leave some room for imagination.

>>376169723
This

I even roleplay as a guy who lost his powers who will eventually unlock their potential again

be honest, how viable is a pyromancer? I'm not looking to be some melee hybrid, I'm looking for a simple weapon raw/fire and light shit so I fast roll. what am I looking for? I don't care about pvp

>>376169589
>being slightly closer to being balanced than previous games is "neglected"

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>>376169648
>>376169402
>>376165203
Bleed is the only way to go through NG+. Nothing personal kid.

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I miss magic being good and fun.

>>376169967
DaS1 was the best for pure pyro build, DaS3 isn't as good for pure pyro.

>>376169967
It's consistently good through-out the entire game and starts to feel a little bit broken from Dragonslayer Armour onwards. You get Chaos Bed Vestiges pretty early which is kinda boring though

>>376170165
I hate those shoulders though. What were they thnking?

>>376163342
Easymode is using the exiled greatsword and pumping vit

>>376170330
Just choose burly lower-body. It evens things out.

>>376169967
Literally everything is "viable". Pyromancer is strong, you start with a decent weapon and early fireballs to burn your path to the guy that sells you more Pyromancy with no trouble, a lot of early and even late enemies get stunned by fire damage and you also have access to elementary Sorcery and Miracles. Later Pyromancy gets even stronger as well.

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>>376170165
>he thinks miracles are magic

>>376170165

>soul vortex
>unleash magic
>neat ass animations that actually looked unique and somewhat interesting
>large, good looking staffs with good looking mage attire

what the fuck happened indeed. it's sad how much they butchered magic going from 2 to 3. what the FUCK happened

>>376164404
I have only ever been hit with lightning in PvP when it was me against a group. The casting animation for lightning is absolutely amazing. Its not hard to tell when someone's about to lob some blue balls and black blobs at you, but lightning just gives you the heads up before it collides with the wall behind where you are standing 5 seconds ago.

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>>376169890
>you get to summon Quelana for a boss
>she does some insane chaos pyromancy that just blows your mind
>as a result of her fighting with you she trusts with a special pyromancy she developed recently
>later you find her in the abyss (in oolacile), hollow and corrupted
>she's a mini boss before manus
>and thats how why you find Black Flame in the abyss

it might not make sense continuity-wise but hey time is convoluted and all that shit.

>>376170165
>filename
Allow me to explain. Release day DS2 had 10 Lightning Spears and after "Calibrations 1.08" you had 3. And they did 25% less damage. Great Lightning Spear and Sunlight Spear also got hit with it.

>>376170468
there was a lot of talk above about what is considered magic. In dark souls spells like lightning spear and replenishment are called miracles but in other dark fantasy games and content miracles are called "divine magic" (used by clerics and paladins).

>>376163004
>>376163706
I made a pure sorc for the first time in ds3 since you bitches kept talking how it´s a challenge build or something. At the very start of the game it´s kinda rough, but as soon as you invest a single point in str you can use the shortsword, and by the undead legion you can have 8-10 estus and the game goes full easy mode. By the end of the game you´re overpowered as fuck, gundyr goes down without using an ashen estus, nameless king requires maybe one. The only boss I kinda had trouble was Lothric, and that had more to do with me fighting him at 4 am at the end of an 8 hour session. The npc trio in the archives can be challenging if they manage to rush you if you´re running a melee build, but not as a sorc. Homming crystal soulmass+great heavy soul spear=dead. Almost every enemy in the game dies from this, and those that survive are usually dead after the next cast or a poke with your weapon. Those blue lothric knight before Lothric that are supposed to be your final group of mobs in the regular game get offed in seconds with this

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>>376169648
This guy looks like he'd be above average looking if he wasn't fat.

>>376171192
Looks like pretty cool guy to hang out with, if not a bit smelly desu

>>376171192
odd thing to notice but I think he would look like an asshole. His face just annoys me for some reason.

>>376169142
Use rings of sacrifice the next time you die while carrying a large amount of souls. There´s more than enough of them for you to beat the game without losing a single soul

>>376170468
>>376171016
In the Souls series, Sorcery, Miracles and Pyromancy are all considered different classes of Spells. This is more of a gameplay classification because they all have very different origins, but different games different lore. Just saying magic could then mean the person's talking about Sorcery or Spells in general.

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>>376171308
I don't hang out with people who could kill me if they wanted.

>>376171624
To fat to teleport

Can't make up my mind if I want to do Faith or Int, don't want to do both/be pyro though.

Should I just be deprived that way I can do either when I get bored of one?

>>376171784
Starting as Pyromancer would give you the stats to go into either easily as well and let you try out both before deciding.

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>>376170330
I don't see anything wrong with them bro.

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>>376172021

>>376171784
go faith it's much more viable
the inly reason to go Int is to be invisible, spook or fr the crystal magic buff but still you get a similar buff if you go faith.
Str/Fth is the way to go for 2 amazing weapons

>>376172415
I'm probably gonna try out Faith, I at least need to beat the game first. Whenever I try out sorcerer my mind pushes me to go to faith and the same happens the other way around. A strange autism.

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It's because of Twitch faggots like Oroboro and Peeverson who take PVP seriously and encourage the idea that PVP in the Souls games is supposed to be fair and honorable, when it fucking isn't. In attempting to balance the game for PVP fags they took the fun out of it.

>>376172617
Then why don't you want to try both at once? Also both are strong, don't be concerned with effectiveness because they'll both deliver.

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>>376163004
Just magic imbue a weapon?

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>magic

>>376172869
I swear to God almighty PVP is the terminal cancer of every game ever.

>>376172951
That's why I might be deprived, I could be pyro but Deprived has a certain roleplay factor over pyro.

>dark souls
>roleplay

>>376163004
Prepare to roll and SS faggot xD

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>>376163004
Someone explain me why textures looks like shit in comparison to DaS?

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>>376172869
>pvpskills gets rekt too many times in bloodborne
>makes a 25 minute youtube rant about how Fromsoft should cater to pvp'ers like they did in DS2.

>>376173278
Literally no anisotropic filtering, on console that is.

>>376163004
why can't you two hand magic or dual wield magic in these games? I wouldn't even mind if I have to bounce around like a magical girl to perform a stronger attack.

I would prefer it

>>376173543
You kinda can do it in DaS3 with staff's weapon art

>>376163085
>need to hide the viability of an entire lineage of legit playstyles behind the endgame
>in a potentially single player game

What an amazingly well designed game

>>376169271
Wow id fuck her

>>376174048
You'd fuck anything desu

>>376173278

Nostalgia.

>>376174160
Nah, I wouldn't fuck your mother, that shit is NASTY.

>>376173862
>viability
Does anyone in this entire board have any idea what this word actually means? It's flown way past the territory of overused buzzword. And yes, all magic types are very viable and you don't require the rings for it either.

>>376173278
I play DaS with patched textures and other mods. From what I remember original DaS textures are trash. DaS 2 also has some horrific textures.

>>376174247
She was pretty hot back then, but you're right, time destroys everything.

>>376174325
Weapons looked better imo

Anyone experienced with magic have advice? Should I make the jump from 50 to 60 int? This account isn't for pvp, just a account to clear the game with and i'm wondering if the damage jump is worth it enough to do so