Defend Metal Gear Solid 4

I had fun playing it and watching the long scenes

>>376154221
Good gameplay
Good story

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No. Fuck it to hell. Garbage game that stops being a game halfway through. Worse than that, its story is godawful and retroactively ruins the previous MGS games. The series ended with MGS 3.

>>376154221
Good gameplay, good music, looks nice for a PS3 game, octocamo saves you loads of useless menu clicks.

>>376154281
>I had fun playing
With all those sub-20fps drops? Really?

Why would I? Worst game in the main series

>>376154221
It's not MGSV.

>>376154221
Best final boss fight in history.

>>376154545
MGSV is miles better than 4 though

>>376154221
It ruined the series, it retroactively ruined characters from MGS 3.. and tried to just answer every fan theory they found

>>376154221
Easily the best gameplay in the series, it also featured the best a.i.

>>376154545
MGS V is a masterpiece compared to MGS 4. Rather have an unfinished mess than a finished catastrophe. MGS 4 would do well in learning from MGS V and not having released its last third, would have controlled some of the damage that the game would have done on the series.

>>376154545
MGS V >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MGS 4 in every single department other than online multiplayer

>>376154613
It retroactively ruined characters (and events) from MGS 1 and 2 too.

The first half is alright.

>>376154221
It's better than V. Only pcbros defend that game.

>>376154641
>it also featured the best a.i.
This is the game where enemies can be in the middle of an all-out gunfight with another faction, but they will only step up security after spotting you.

"You're pretty good"

/thread

I greatly enjoy the music that plays during the final boss

>>376154793
This. If the game was like its first two acts all the way through, and the story wasn't so horrible, it could have been good.

Best gameplay when there is any

Best online experience on consoles to date

>>376154862
That's not true. If they're getting decimated HQ will tell them they don't have people to spare.

>>376154865
"We'll build diamonds from their ashes"
wtf i love mgs v now

>>376154852
P C U C K S

>>376154715
No mate you're wrong mgsv was shit

>>376155068
"Does God stay in heaven because he too, lives in fear of what he's created?"
wtf I love Spy Kids 2 now

>>376154715
Defend the shitshow that was the MGSV "boss fights".

>>376155209
I won't. MGS V is a miserable disappointment of a game with a million flaws, but the series was always well past ruined when it arrived. MGS 4 was the game that ruined the series.

>>376155285
>MGS V is a miserable disappointment of a game with a million flaws, but the series was always well past ruined when it arrived. MGS 4 was the game that ruined the series.

how?

>>376155425
Do you want an essay in all the ways MGS 4 ruined characters and events from the previous three games in the series with its terrible plot wrapped in meaningless fan pandering?

>>376155562
Put it in video form and I'll watch it.

>>376155425
4 had better boss fights than V by a fucking mile. Even raging raven is serviceable by comparison.

>>376155562
I prefer text, thanks

>>376154221
streamlined the camo system from 3. Improved tps controls. Better cqc/more cqc maneuvers. Decent OST. Was the basis for robot raiden leading into MGR

What was there was great in terms of gameplay. I wish we had the mujahideen skirmishing with the soviet russians in MGSV like the militia and PMCs in MGSV. That was my biggest disappointment with MGSV.

>>376155980
This. They could of made two different warring factions with unique outposts and can use their battles to your advantage. Soviets v Mujahideen and PMC's v PMC's in africa.

Why is everyone sucking Kojima's dick now more than ever, despite all his games in the last 10 years having shit story? He currently reached meme status, but he is way past his prime.

>>376156219
Death Stranding will be the ultimate proof of whether he's truly a hack or not, he has no excuses left.

>>376155717
And that's saying something considering how shit MGS4's boss fights are.

>>376154497
I remember mgs3 having ridiculous frame drops sometimes and i had fun playong that too

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"You were lightning in that rain"

>>376156310
He has excuses now more than ever
>Sony forced me to release it this soon
>I was getting used to this engine that I didn't work on after switching up from FOX

>>376154526
MGSV wants a word with you.

>>376154221
Old Snake theme.
Mei Ling's ass.

>>376156438
He has a studio that's tailor-made to his needs, with a huge budget and a publisher that sucks his dick. That's more than 99% of devs could ever dream of. If he can't make a good game in that environment, he's a hack.

>>376154221
The first two chapters were fantastic, and chapter 4 was decent.

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>>376154606
>>376154658
>>376154715

>MGSV is a good game
>Being this fucking retarded

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>>376156375
>Your body may be a machine but your heart is human
that was some kingdom hearts tier shit

>>376156629
Not one of the three posts you replied to said that. Shit is better than an even bigger pile of shit (MGS 4)

>>376155717
Sally fight was better than most of the MGS4 fights. Quiet fight wasn't great but it's definitely better than Raven and Wolf from 4.

>>376156219
We can blame Konami for MGSV being unfinished, but the whole retarded Medic plot, Vocal Chord Parasites, the romance between Meryl and the poop guy etc are all on him.

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>>376154221
>Think Snake killed himself
>Credits roll
>The credits stop on Big Boss
>Suddenly Big Boss
You spooked me Kojima.

>>376156778
meant for
>>376156310

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>>376156375
>"I'm a shadow"

Old Snake was a cool idea but they should have included a mode where the aging really starts to wear him down. Things like carrying capacity, how quickly his stress builds, damage resistance.

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I played some of it again last night to see if it was really as bad as I remembered and it was somehow worse

>>376156629
Has good gameplay story is shit though

>>376154545
MGSV is a game that was hurt by being unfinished.
MGS4 is a game I wish it was unfinished to spare me the ending.

>>376156789
Was Big Boss pregnant in there?

>>376157290
>the ending
Eva's exposition dump in chapter 3 was worse

It would be a great game if it didn't have huge boots to fill.
The narrative just hamfists stupid fanservice. No need for shadow mosses or psyco mantis. The bosses are easy as hell and creatively bankrupt. Jumping all over the place makes it fail to set a tone or vibe, and makes level design weak. There is too much focus on firearms that makes it an action game first, something it sucks at. Characters are poorly written. That being said i like the ending and if you took out mgs expectations it's a fun little forgettable action romp.

>>376154221
The multiplayer was fun, albiet flawed.
Octocamo was neat.
Best CQC mechanics in the series.
Fantastic soundtrack.

People saying it's the best gameplay just remember the worm. 5 is better in every way, and it doesn't play run at 30 (at best) fps

>>376157290
At least punching Liquid Ocelot was entertaining.

>>376157450
MGS4 actually occasionally jumps to 60fps if you crouch in a corner and stare at the floor.

I'm impressed how it manages to ruin every character except maybe Snake

>>376157431
The M4 kinda ruined the multiplayer with it's headshots.
It also kinda ruined a lot of the weapons in SP as well- you got it for free, it could be silenced, common as fuck ammo, and it had a ton of customization options.
In the end, it was a pretty boring gun, though. Sounded like ass too.

>>376154221
My favourite interactive cutscene viewer. What's to defend?

It made Raiden not suck and explained what happened in MGS2

>>376157586
Or equip NVG.

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These guys and the gekkos were cool, though both only pop up like twice in the whole game.
Seriously, the power suits could've been neat to fight on foot, maybe you could even knock out the pilots and drive them yourself, but they only show up during a turret segment.
Fuck the turret segments.

>>376154221
I can't because it is trash.

The series is overrated but at least the first three games have a lot of good going for them making them quite enjoyable.

MGS4 is fucking hot garbage. What a waste considering the improvements gen 7 brought to shooters.

>>376158261
Worst post in the thread right there.

>>376158390
why? because a sequel answered questions that the prequel asked and made the bad main character better?

>>376154526
My nigga.

>>376158525
Literally kill yourself for being such an imbecile.

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>>376158801
listen, MGS4 shat all over MGS2.

Get over it.

>>376158917
You didn't understand MGS2 at all.

>>376158525
>It wasn't supposed to be answered. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. MGS2 is the deepest thing in fiction since Evangelion and now my 100 pages fan theory doesn't make sense.

probably because something like this

>>376158261
It actually effectively killed the whole meaning behind the character Raiden and thus Raiden became obsolete as a character overall. MGS4 tried to give a classical explanation to the character Raiden even though Raiden should be understood as a metaphor for (finding) one's own identitiy regardless if it is satisfying in classical terms. One of the worst things about MGS4 is Raiden's depiction.

>>376158963
>It wasn't supposed to be answered
But that's true.

>>376158917
You're right, but not in that context..

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>>376158963
your greentext basically describes morons like >>376158952 aka people pissed that heir "masterpiece" was ruined by it's own creator.

>>376159131
>It actually effectively killed the whole meaning behind the character Raiden
MGS2 Raiden has a character?

>>376159151
That's why they left it on a after credits cliffhanger with Snake and Otacon still investigating the Patriots.

>>376158963
It is okay to have different opinions and different needs from video games, movies, music, literature and especially art.

But fact is that Raiden was intended to be a character which conveys a meta message. And that message was laid down and fans over the years understood it. MGS4 destroyed that which not only puts the whole MGS2 game into question but also takes a lot of the higher value from the MGS series.

It is okay to like Marvel movies, to consume news without thinking about it yourself - but that doesn't mean that personal interpretation isn't valuable. I prefer MGS2 and the Raiden that came with it over the Cyborg Ninja with a clear spoken out story everyday. Which in return doesn't mean that his depiction in MGS4 was bad - but one must ask the question why did they bring him back and effectively destroy the whole point of him as a character?

>>376159675
>but one must ask the question why did they bring him back and effectively destroy the whole point of him as a character?

because Konmai knew the majority of fans hated him?

Hell, they had a Raiden look alike in MGS3 that was Volgin's punching bag/boy toy, not to mention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPgDIWxgOYA

>>376159131
I think kojima goes for different metaphors/symbolism/styles/meanings each game and just uses mgs lore amd characters as a vehicle. So mgs2 raiden is effectively a different character. Because he wanted MGS4 to be an action romp.

>>376159131
I actually find Raiden's inclusion to be one of the only redeemable aspects of 4, but that's just because I love the character so much. Ultimately, MGS4 is just another story, and it really doesn't matter how "true" it is to the other games, or if it makes sense within the world of MGS.

Besides that, I never really got the impression that Raiden actually did learn to be genuinely himself at the end of MGS2. He was just passed another idea of what to do with his life by Snake, and was set down that path instead.

>>376159274
>MGS2 Raiden has a character?

Yes, just as Venom Snake has one. I get your frustration, anon. And you don't have to like it but Raiden and to some degrees Venom are intended to be more than is said.

>>376159514
That wasn't a cliffhanger, it was more like the final nail in the coffin of the unsolvable mystery. It was supposed to make the situation so incomprehensible that people would move on.

>>376159927
I understood Venom's message.

Raiden's not so much. Doesn't help I really didn't care for Raiden (or MGS2 as a whole)

>there will never be a mgs movie franchise with a younger kiefer Sutherland as solid snake and donald Sutherland as big boss.

>>376159675
Raiden is no longer in our control at the ending of 2, throwing the dog tags and starting his own life. He decided to become a ninja, cool, whatever.

>>376159831

>because Konmai knew the majority of fans hated him?

Isn't that sad, anon? Either one likes it or not the Raiden character didn't need any further explanation. It is even against the nature of the character to be further depicted. The only reason post MGS2 Raiden exists is because some Konami execs wanted a cool character they could sell better rather than the main protagonist of one of the ballsiest major gaming releases.

>>376160232
>Either one likes it or not the Raiden character didn't need any further explanation.

he was a whiny blank slate until the whole "Jack the Ripper" reveal at the end

>>376154221
the stealth gameplay and level design are actually very good. It's like an even more fleshed-out version of what MGS3 has.

...the only problem is that there isn't actually all that much stealth gameplay. It's good when it's there, but it's eclipsed by all the cutscenes. Not to mention the sequences that are clearly not stealth, especially toward the later half of the game.

Also, Act 4 on Shadow Moses would've been god tier if they didn't fuck it up by dumping a bunch of those tripod bots instead of actual guards.

>>376160359
The whole point of raiden was because kojima wanted to showcase solid in a wau you couldn't playing as him.
And it worked imo.
Mgs2 snake is best snake

>>376159832
Never thought of it this way. Not saying I see it that way as well but I can respect that opinion.

>>376159867
I'm not with you on the second part. The dog tag throwing was symbolism for choosing to check out and go his own way without giving any glimpse of what is to come. It's like "Fuck this video game I am going out on my own terms. Don't need to give you neither a cinematic bad ending nor a happy ending".
Even though Solid did play his part in giving him this idea, it was ultimatively his decision. Which on a side note stands in contrast to Venom which accepted his pawn role and came to terms with being a character in a game.

MGS 4 had great themes and story, but it's too intellectual for average /v/tard. Also the novelization is pure fucking kino.

>>376160056
That's overinterpretation to say the least.

>>376160760
>That's overinterpretation to say the least.

just like the fucking dog tags

>>376160120
Simply put - Venom Snake accepts his role in the game which is being a double of the idea of Big Boss. Raiden on the other hand decides to quit and live his own life. As Venom gave up the entirety of his own persona Raiden chose to not be a pawn. Hell, even if he left and chose to open up a pastry store he still would have risen above all other MGS characters which are trapped in a never ending circle of being each other's play ball.

>>376161057
>live his own life

and that turned him into a Cyborg, which is better than his shitty MGS2 self

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>>376160758
What were the deep themes Kojima was trying to convey here?

>>376160705
It's always stood out to me that one of the last images you see of Raiden in MGS2 is him cradling Rose's face with handcuffs around his wrists. To me it represents that Raiden is trapped in a web of delusions and manipulation that he can never really work his way out of, so he chooses to be content with living in the lie. They way that "shot" is framed, and the prominent use of the handcuffs' clinking sound effects at that moment really make me think that Kojima put thought into it.

>>376161306
The economy, control and need for war, patriotism vs humanity, the burdens of legacies and inheritance of others worldview. It's great with the the expansive approaches to these themes even though the story itself isn't as good.

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>>376161306
What this character was supposed to represent?

>>376161306
Not him, but MGS4 was far more visceral in it's depiction of war and the means people will go to create soldiers (and how soldiers are used).

As much as people bitch about nanomachines (despite being a thing as far back as MGS1, and maybe even further in the timeline), they had a payoff within the narrative of the game that correlates to real world topics on the subject.

MGS4 also tackles the concept of the hero by literally putting Solid Snake's legend against his own withering person (which was also touched on before, but Solid was never ACTUALLY borderline useless compared to his own legacy regardless of the games trying to claim otherwise).

MGS4 has a ton of good concepts that is held under the weight of bloated dialog and not enough breaks from the narrative to let the players play the damn game.

>>376161820
DUDE, POOP, LMAO!

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there is no love for peace walker

>>376161982
See, too intellectual for average /v/tard. :^)

>>376158952
Not him but MGS2 could have been way better than it was.

I replayed it a couple years ago for like the fourth time or so and it wasn't nearly as good as I remembered it being.

Admittedly I would say the same for pretty much the series. The internet hypes it up way too damn much for what it is.

>>376161987
Actually barring the boss fights and The Boss being worshipped by some people I thought it wasn't bad. Loved the tape conversations

>>376154221
huge step forward there are still games that have no where near the control or animations that it had

could you imagine something like PUBG but with the movement and animations of MGS4 or 5

god damn

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>>376154221
Looks great
Great soundtrack
Great gameplay mechanics
Old Sake was the sexiest and manliest man alive.
Game gives you more feels than any other game.
Rex vs Ray and Snake vs Ocelot.
Good enemy waifus

>>376162856
>Game gives you more feels than any other game.
lol

>>376162971
it's true

that microwave scene

>>376162971
Any other MGS game

>>376163040
Shut the fuck up. How could you possibly feel anything in that scene? We're shown shots of the battle outside, but I don't know any of those fucking characters aside from Mei Ling, and Mei Ling went from a character who got to where she was in MGS1 on her smarts alone, to "catching the eye of some lecherous admiral" in order to helm the USS Missouri. They show us shots of Johnny and Meryl, one of the worst forced romances in the history of entertainment, so why would you care about them? They show us Raiden, who already had his big death moment so if he dies now who gives a fuck. They show Campbell and Rose and that's whatever really. Then they have the fucking gall to show Sunny finishing her eggs, as if cooking fucking eggs was the most difficult thing in the world. Fuck MGS4.

I only figured out you could go into first person during the crying wolf boss fight.

>Multiple routes to complete missions
>Various tools to help you complete missions; lethal, non-lethal, CQC, Metal Gear MK I, octo-camo, etc.
>Easter eggs everywhere; ghosts on Shadow Moses, pin-up girls in London, exploring the airplane, etc.
>Mech battle
>10+ hours of cut scenes
>Great weapon customization + those insane unlockables

>>376162856
>Game gives you more feels than any other game.
Only if you're retarded or a child

>>376154715
story and bosses were objectively better in MGS4

>>376161352
there were handcuffs in that scene?

>>376162856
>Looks great
it doesn't look bad, too many piss filter tho
>Great soundtrack
Old Snake, Metal Gear Saga and Father and Son are the only memorable ones
>Great gameplay mechanics
that you use in 25% of the game
>Old Sake was the sexiest and manliest man alive
can't deny that
>Game gives you more feels than any other game
that's called fanservice anon, and it's shit
>Rex vs Ray and Snake vs Ocelot
true
>Good enemy waifus
memorable boss > fap bait

>>376161352
I think you're projecting a biiiiiiiiiiit too much there. Everything else about the scene suggests Raiden is taking what Snake said to heart.

>>376163732
>10+ hours of cut scenes
Is this supposed to be a good thing? The cutscenes in MGS4 go on at least twice as long as they need to. One small example - the scene where they surround Ocelot on the river. There are something like 15 consecutive shots of different groups of soldiers pointing their guns at Ocelot. That could have been conveyed in 10 seconds but instead its more like a full minute. Almost every cutscene is tedious as fuck. Even the few entertaining ones like Raiden fighting the Geckos are too long.

>>376162856
>Looks great
It was decent looking at the time. Compare to how mgs 1, 2, and 3 looked compared to their contemporaries.
>Great soundtrack
I only remember old snake which was good and love theme which was obnoxious
>Great gameplay mechanics
Agreed. Problem is you hardly get to do anything with them
>Old Sake was the sexiest and manliest man alive.
I like all snakes, old included. But Venom looks better.
>Game gives you more feels than any other game.
Yeah until you realize everything is contrived and goes for cheap tears over real feels
>Rex vs Ray and Snake vs Ocelot.
Yes both of these were good and show how mgs4 could have been a great game if it knew what it was doing
>Good enemy waifus
They weren't that great, pretty uninspired compared to previous villain groups

>>376163732
>>Easter eggs everywhere
wut
i think you never played MGS2+3.
Now that was easter eggs and funny stuff everywhere.

MGS4 is trash compared to that.
In MGS2+3 there wee codec conversations for basically everything. Lie on top of Emma? Special codec call. Eat some mushroom? Special codec call. Be inside a cardboard box? Special codec call. etc.

In MGS4 there is almost nothing despite shit Blu-ray. Not only that, but then you get the stupid "did you know this is on Blu-ray? What will they think of next". Maybe not 10 minute installations on every chapter? You fucking Kojima-ass.

the gameplay itself is great

>>376164045
Raiden has spent his entire life following orders and being told what he is. He kills Solidus and reconciles with Rose even though he doesn't understand either of them at all, all under the orders of a computer he doesn't understand either. Snake then says a few lines about being your own person and it makes Raiden feel better, but people don't just change simply because someone gives them a couple of words of encouragement. Raiden doesn't know how to "be his own person", that's not something you can just instantly learn after a lifetime of conforming to other people's ideas. It makes perfect sense that he would go on fighting, which is all he's ever known.

>>376164252
- Going into first person to see the pages of the magazine
- All the stuff on the plane you can miss entirely if you don't explore
- All the context sensitive codec conversations. Only difference is that many of them you had to trigger yourself by using your codec from the menu.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpZDkEtMLlY

There's too many easter eggs to mention.
>http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_4_secrets

>>376164735
>He kills Solidus and reconciles with Rose even though he doesn't understand either of them at all
Either of who? Solidus and Rose? Where is your evidence that he does not understand them?
> but people don't just change simply because someone gives them a couple of words of encouragement
Agreed.
>Raiden doesn't know how to "be his own person"
He has his own tastes in films and movies. Hence Rose talking about changing her eye color and hair color to suit his tastes.

I mean shit if we're going to talk about symbolism, he holds Rose face in his hands, as if she is the coming between the chains of his handcuffs.

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>>376154221

I ain't gotta defend anything

I liked the game

And I'm not gonna let /v/ tell me otherwise

Hell getting the Big Boss emblem was one of the harder game challenges I did.

-For me- that is, other people it was probably easier for them to do.

t is definitely the most kino game there is.

If half the story it told wasn't pants on head retarded, and there was more missions like the first two it'd be amazing.

It is still a nice game, worthy of a playthrough.

>>376165220
If you recall, it's revealed during the game that Rose was actually an agent whose mission was to seduce Raiden, which obviously undermines their whole relationship and indicates that Raiden doesn't really know her at all. As for Solidus, Raiden expresses his distaste for the schemes of the Patriots, so his motive for actually fighting Solidus is basically nonexistant beyond "he was told to by the computer". By stopping Solidus he ensures the enslavement of mankind, which suggests to me that he had no clear idea why he did it.

Hey, remember MGS 1 and 2 and 3? go play those instead. unless you want to relax and watch a movie about MGS

Positives:
>the whole concept of old snake and its commentary
>some cool setpieces
>multiple options for everything
>BB corps, their backstories killed them but they were pretty hot and Octopus and Mantis had good fights
>looks good
>finally fixed the controls
>absolutely fucking hilarious
Negatives:
>killed the story
>impenetrable to any non-dedicated fan
>way too much on rail shooting
>dwarf gekko in shadow moses can get fucked
>drebin is a pointless character
>way too many cutscenes
>cutscenes are too long

Mgs2 had cutscenes just as long only they weren't cutscenes, now I'll explain the rest but we need to switch to nano communications.

>>376154221
Its a good movie

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It was better than V.

>>376161920

Control/war economic/resource asset/exposition dump

>>376168123
And mgs2 was a good novel

>>376165858
>which obviously undermines their whole relationship and indicates that Raiden doesn't really know her at all

Rose : Jack, I thought I was acting, because that was my job. But I did
fall in love with you, that wasn't an act.


Jack : Can I ask you something? Who am I really?

Rose : I wouldn't know. But we're going to find out together, aren't we?

Raiden : Uh? Yeah...

Rose : See me for what I am, okay?

Jack : I know.

They're gonna find each other together.

>so his motive for actually fighting Solidus is basically nonexistant beyond "he was told to by the computer".

Nope.

Raiden : Think again! I'm through doing what I'm told!

Colonel : Oh really? Aren't you forgetting something?


[Olga begins to speak.]


Olga : If you die, my child dies.

Colonel : The termination of vital signals from your nanomachines means the
death of Olga's child. Not to mention the death of Rose. She's
wired the same way.

Raiden : Rose -- does she actually exist?

Rose : Of course I do, Jack! You have to beLIEve me!

Raiden : Damn...

Even at his lowest, Raiden still wants to believe in Rose.

And then you have philosophical reasons: (cont.)

>>376168356
But doesn't come close to the TV series of Snake Eater.

>>376168669

Solidus : By the way, Jack, I was the one who killed your parents.

Raiden : !!


[Raiden is shown as a young boy.]


Solidus : I claimed you for my own, and raised you as a soldier in the army
of the Devil. I am your foster father, and your worst enemy.

Raiden : Why?

Solidus : Because I needed to know whether we were really someone else's
creation. We're repeating history, Jack.


[A picture of Big Boss appears in the middle of the screen. He is flanked by
Solid and Liquid on either side of him.]


Solidus : Liquid and Solid hunted down Big Boss, trying to sever the tie
that bound them to him. Unless you kill me and face your past,
Jack, you will never escape. You'll stay in the endless loop --
your own double helix.

Solidus : It's time we were both free.

>>376168740

Solidus egged Jack on cause the patriots were gonna kill him anyways. Why not be killed by your own creation?

>>376154221
If you skip the cutscenes its pretty fun more so than msv

>>376169101
That's an interesting take, one that I ultimately disagree with.

The fact is I agree with you that Raiden wouldn't be able to live a normal life after the events of MGS2. I was being devil's advocate for as far as I could but now I'm gonna go on a bike ride. The comes in that MGS4 was poorly written, and that MGR did fucking wonders for Raiden's character development.

>>376159151
that just proves kojimbo isn a hack

>>376160056
>It was supposed to make the situation so incomprehensible that people would move on.

>lel my story is retarded gaijin! Plotgoles bah just move on

The Punch Punch Knee to the Fucking Face is the best version of the standard CQC attack.

>>376160232
>It is even against the nature of the character to be further depicted.
says who?

>>376154354
It actually pretty much started with 3 dumb ass

>>376171778
It lacks any real oomf, unfortunately. I think this is not only a sound design problem, but the fact that enemy soldiers will flip over backwards from a knee to the face instead of falling forward as they would in reality.

It's actually finished

>music hypes up as she crashes through the window
https://youtu.be/SNQIuvjwtKw

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I can't defend it. That game shit all over MGS 1.

>>376154221
I still have the disc somewher, played it for about an hour and it seemed like at least 50 minutes of that were cutscenes, haven't touched it ever since

People say oh it's better than V because it's actually finished but it's not. It's a bunch of ideas thrown together with no consistency or semblance of pacing. V is unfinished because Konami pulled Kojima before he could finish it. What's there is a story that actually knows what it's doing and isn't desperate to tie up loose ends.

If metal gear is star wars 4 is the phantom menace

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It came with Metal Gear Online 2 and that's the most fun I've ever had playing a multiplayer game.

>>376154221
It was fun when you understood combat stealth. Attack from concealment, flank enemies, do hit and runs.

Just skip cutscenes and stop playing after the middle east and jungle chapters.

>>376175716
>If metal gear is star wars 4 is the phantom menace

than what makes Rising? KotOR (minus the MMO)? Battle Front? Clone Wars Cartoon (the 2d animated one)?

>>376176148
Force unleashed

>>376154715
see
>>376163848

>>376176148
wookipedia page about chairs aka unrelated fanfic pile of shit

>>376177794
spotted a MGS2 fanboy

>>376154526
>not Peace Walker

>>376158264
Holy fuck I never even seen these guys before.
Were they really in a turret segment?

The first two acts are fucking amazing.

>>376178250
No they're not, they're just the only acts that can be called a game

>Old Snake somehow sexier than young Snake
How did they do it?

>>376154221
It's multiplayer was actually good.

>>376154221
The parts where you play the actual game are fun. There's also a shitload to discover if you completely wander off-track.

I enjoyed it and am not concerned with whether someone else likes it or not. please kill your are selve

>>376154221
It has hayter unlike msgv

at least the story was good, getting a gameover from a kiss from a final boss is KINO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyKn9yis8YA

>>376154715
MGS V is literal garbage

>>376172164
Only in terms of story and shit but really that didn't matter???

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>>376154221

MGS4's problems were almost a meta joke by Kojima.

Unlike V, which was a result of bad design decisions, Kojima sought with 4 to show how MGS doesn't really work as a coherent, linear narrative. It was intended as a "fuck you" to people who saw it as a series from the 19th century, some bullshit Bildungsroman about the character development of Snake.

The game is great and perfect in the tradition of MGS, unlike Peace Walker and V.

>>37616473

>people don't just change simply because someone gives them a couple of words of encouragement.

Going on a spec ops mission to stop a terrorist cell and save the president, meeting a vampire, having a guy tell you about his murder-incest, being tortured, finding out your girlfriend is a robot, discovering a worldwide conspiracy, discovering you were trained to be a perfect soldier, and swordfighting the ex- President in downtown Manhattan after an apocalyptic crash that would make 9/11 look like a joke might

>>376182790

>>376182790

>a meta joke by Kojima.
>Unlike V, which was a result of bad design decisions

>Game is called Phantom Pain
>Boss and Miller both lose limbs
>Boss and Ocelot are both not the larger-than-life personas we come to expect
>Big bad Skullface has an anticlimactic car ride and is killed in a cutscene
>You spend the whole game building a relationship with Quiet (you get a fucking achievement called "War Buddy"), and then she leaves and leaves a Quiet shaped hole
>You dump hours in managing your soldiers, learning who the troublemakers are, learning their languages, seeing them on base, and then you shoot them in the head
>Liquid disappears anti-climatically
>Zero confined to audiotapes
>Chapter 2 is underwhelming
>You just run away from Volgin, nothing climatic like the Shagohod, and then later you find his corpse
>Stuff with the Medic seeing Ghost Paz

>none of this is thematic
>just "bad design"

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Can we talk about MGS2 instead?

How did fortune actually deflect the missiles at the end?

>>376183925
the Patriots reactivated her bullet deflector thingy because they needed Raiden to survive in order to later defeat Solidus who was a threat to them

>>376183557
You forgot
>you spend 20-30 hours doing repeat missions
But I guess you couldn't make that into a good thing, huh?

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How different would 2 be if End of Evangelion didn't exist?

It's a game

>>376154221
Raiden is Solitaire Snake's liquid clone. That's why during operation snake eater Big Boss contacts Pliskin to check out the oil tanker. You see when Solid Gas Snake died in the trihydrogen tank, Pliskin was able to reroute the Foxdie virus to only affect half-brothers, and this way Solidus Snake would not be able to affect Solid Snake' genetics, but only Raiden, since he would technically be a half-brother from the Les Misarebeles project during Otacon's betrayal of Ocelot. After Big Boss died Raiden was infected, which spread through Liquid's arm and into Healed Antidote Snake, who was blood brother and LaLeLuLiLo' hidden cell unit acting under Punished Venom Snake. Now the seagulls at the tank carried the mutated PlotholeDie virus and spread it to every child soldier. Pliskin was betrayed in the end by Otacon though, when his location was broadcasted to the Zanzibar PMC which hunted him down and forced him into revealing the location of the Arsenal, containing the new Metal Gear Type Ration

4 is literally bad on purpose

>>376184158

>open world game is made in West
>content loops or copypasted
>Saints Row, Assasins' Creed, Far Cry, you name it
>nobody bats an eye
>open world game is made in Japan
>repetitive content
>autistic screeching, rending of garments, national day of mourning

What are you gonna do next, bitch about grinding in RPGs?

>>376185214
>Kojima posting spoilers on /v/ again
Last night was funny as shit tho

>>376185378
to be fair MGS really was not open world until MGS5.

>>376185378
Both are bad you fucking idiot.

>>376185459

Fair but with such a massive shift in world design you can expect tropes that tend to go along with it

I love MGS3, it's a very tight game, but just think of how much of it is unnatural corridors that break immersion. There are parts of the game that in no way feel like a "real" jungle. I wouldn't change a thing about it, but it's a tradeoff you make.

>>376185553

I guess we shouldn't make open world games at all, or if we do we should expect developers to spend 10 years making sure every sidequest is perfectly individuated

>>376185984
Yes, we should expect Open World games have actual attention to detail in them.

Are you trolling

>>376154221
Snake had a nice ass.

>>376186045

I'm not trolling

I'm saying you have to expect what is reasonably possible with the tech and manpower at hand

If you can make an 3d graphically current open world game with hours and hours of content without being repetitive go ahead and do it

Had a lot of great ideas that were weighed down by a misguided obligation to "tie up" the series, which only wound up creating more holes as a result.

Best thing I can say about it is that MGO2 came on the same disk.