One step closer to Melee HD

>>376119540
but it looks fucking ugly tho

No one will ever make a true Project MU/Melee HD because Smash 4 doesn't suck major cock like Brawl did. There's no incentive.

Why the fuck do people want melee HD instead of a new smash? The original melee can be played in HD on dolphin anyways.

>>376119795
They want an official release without a botchy netplay process like Dolphin's

>>376119982
Do you actually think Nintendo can do online better? Did you try sm4sh online?

>>376119795
>Why the fuck do people want melee HD instead of a new smash?
Meleefags who just want their game to be relevant again, with the whole roster of a grand total of like 3 viable, playable charcters.

It's honestly really pathetic.

>>376119795
Meleefags cant move on, the funny thing is that if melee got an hd release nobody would play it because of the native frame delay of the console.

>>376120243
There's literally nothing wrong with FG.

>>376119540
That looks awful.

>>376120408
>3 viable charcters
3/10 bait

>>376119795
they don't, it's a meme in the community but people took it seriously.

>>376119540
>that bulge
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggg

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>>376119795
A new smash would be great if they could make a good one.

>>376120716
/v/ should have never started accepting tourneyfags

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>>376120558
>3
Yeah, fuck my bad. I meant 1. Kek

>>376120457
Yeah other than the constant Nintendo™ lag ™

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Mods saved Smash 4 for me.

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>>376120763
>Wanting a good game makes you a tourneyfag
No I can just recognize even on a casual level that 4 is bad.

>>376120815
Works on my machine

>>376119540
Melee hd already exist. It's called dolphin.

>>376120862
t. friendless tourneyfag

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just play on dolphin

>>376120790
Meleefags had their chance with PM, and they wasted it, because Fox wasn't godlike anymore. That and learning new matchups was too much fucking trouble for them. They don't want a new smash, just to keep clinging to their broken game and praying it stays relevant.

>>376121035
No one wants to play an unofficial game fag. They're not allowed at tournaments and even banned on Twitch.

>>376121185
No one wants to play a broke-ass game either. No one is going to jump fresh into Melee today. It's just a bunch of nostalgiafags who yearn for the good ol days.

>>376121035
PM was actually really popular during 3.5, it only died because the devs broke shit disbanded before fixing it. They realized they could make money on different products and left it in the dust.

>>376121401
>died
Which in itself is actually really fucking stupid. It's like saying Melee "died" because it didn't get revisions to make half the cast viable after release.

Reminder that Melee is as popular as ever.

>>376122108
>This is what meleefags believe.

>>376119795
I love Melee and played it non stop for years with friends but I do not want an HD remake of a 15+ year old fighting game. Just release it on VC and put the effort into anything else

>>376121035
a big problem with PM was counter picking

but yeah "pros" didn't want to learn multiple characters & match up's

>>376119540
https://youtu.be/rCn-lw96M8U

>>376121287
>mfw I just jumped into Melee a year ago and is the only Smash I still play

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>>376120949
>do something that's social
>friendless

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>>376119540

>arms still fucked up and shitty like the brawl one

reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>376123397
One of my friends is a hardcore meleefag and I refuse to play that shit with him. If he wants to bother playing, we boot up PM. Fag gets his shit pushed in everytime and he bitches about how it's not melee. tickles my kekles.

>>376122254
Evo 2016 was the biggest melee tournament to date. 2000+ entrants

>>376119540
owo what's this

Melee is not a competitive fighting game and you should stop treating it like one.

>>376119795
Because melee is the fastest and least floaty/clunky and it's the last game in the series that was made before Hackurai tried to start deliberately sabotaging the competitive viability of Smash because having a high skill ceiling makes his anus bleed for whatever reason.

I want to see a Melee HD mod happen just so it gets the old C&D and we see a war between autistic tourneyfags and underage Nintenbros defending Nintendo for literally any action.

>>376119795
Competitive players being retards again. I hope Nintendo never does this so that elitists can die.

>>376119667
that and nintendo would just shut it down like they have with am2r and all these other nintendo fan games

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>>376119540
>That Ganon bulge

>>376121017

He has that popped delinquent collar

>>376119795
>Why the fuck do people want melee HD instead of a new smash?
Because Nintendo markets to nothing but casuals and their newer games have shittier stiffer physics every gen. They hide it behind tons of bloom, lens flair, and fluff content.

The only case where this isn't true are the rare gems like Mario Kart 8.

>>376119540
AND IM ABOUT TO BREAK

>>376121035
Fox is still top 5 in PM though.

>>376119540
None of you can explain why melee is a bad game. Why is it a meme to hate it?

>>376127551
But he isn't #1. Game ruined.

>>376127615
Handles bad
Tons of move overlap rushed junk moves everywhere
Poor coding falling through stages move literally not working as intended
Generic move overlap not only makes characters boring but makes learning MUs easier and movesets in Melee are generally 1 dimensional

>>376120815
Yeah, I literally stopped playing cause of that shit. Fucking terrible, totally unplayable.

My WiiU is LITERALLY right next to my router, and plugged into it with that shitty adapter, I have Fiber Optic too at 100 megs, and I still get terrible lag in some matches.

Meanwhile, I flip on Guilty Gear Rev, and it's no different from playing irl.

In Splatoon, I'd get desyncs and shit too, literally get booted from the match and lose points.

Titanfall 2, again, totally seamless.


Nintendo is a GARBAGE company. And now they have the GALL to charge for that shit?

PS3 was free, and its online puts Nintendo's to shame. Not only that, but Sony doesn't force you to buy a shitty adapter cause they're smart and realize THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T USE WIFI TO PLAY ONLINE SO THEY INCLUDE A FUCKING ETHERNET PORT BUILT IN!!! FUCK! YES I'M MAD!!

>>376123137
explain.

>>376119540
Ganondorf's OoT design is objectively inferior to his TP and HW designs

>>376127892
Not him but 3 of these apply to Smash 4. There are multiple characters whose strategy revolves around spamming one of their 3 actually good moves at any given time.

>Melee HD
I thought these autists refused to play on anything other than CRTs

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>>376127773
Tbh, this. Fucking, the wavedash dev named "the space animal" an archetype in platform fighters, and proceeded to make pic related, are you fucking kidding me? LOL

>>376128804
I actually thought he was talking about Smash 4 till I bothered to follow the thread.

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>>376128758
This opinion is objectively inferior to the opinions in favor of OoT Ganondorf.

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>>376128709
PM is much more balanced which means you cant run into anybody playing any character which means getting decent results is harder as you need to be more studied. Where as with Melee you need to learn like 5 characters to have a chance to do decent. Its just harder to get your foot into the door so everybody throws fits and say everythings jank when in reality its just pic related.

>>376128804
Yeah sm4sh is a bad game too im glad you can notice Nintendos seal of quality.
>>376128927
They are basing all the "archtypes" on Melee high/top tiers cuz they wanna try and ride Melee instead of doing something unique and its gonna fail cuz people can just play Melee.

>>376129080
>No beard
Like I said, inferior

>>376119795
This is a community where it acceptable for the top player to drop out of a tournament last second because his controller wasn't precisely right and he didn't want to break his win streak.
The major tournaments have become completely stale, with the same people on top every time. The game is a decade and half old, there is no interest in it anymore outside of its own autistic fanbase, and it will never get a push like newer competitive titles will.

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>>376129606

He was quite satisfied with his fierce sideburns at the time.

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>>376129406
>They are basing all the "archtypes" on Melee high/top tiers cuz they wanna try and ride Melee instead of doing something unique and its gonna fail cuz people can just play Melee.
Pretty much.

Rather than taking a step back and saying, "we wanna make a competitive platform fighter" and looking at what makes fighting games tick, and what other platform fighters have done for the genre (such a the Outfoxies), to make their own unique thing. They're essentially making a Melee clone with ugly characters. As a competitive game, Melee still has plenty of room for improvement, but they clearly don't see it that way. Not only that, but their lack of experience with other fighters shows. Classically, there are 4 archetypes: Balanced, Rushdown, Zoner, and Grappler, but with a little thought, you can further divide this.

My only question is where they're getting the money for this project, as some fairly big names are behind them.

>>376121035
Fox was godlike and you're retarded.

>>376130064
>it will never get a push like newer competitive titles will
If nintendo will push to put shit like Pokken at EVO then they'll put any shit game they can. Honestly Smash should have stopped being competitive once Brawl was made and the creator specifically said it wasn't what he had in mind.

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>>376130176
>We originally just made black Samus, but then Overwatch came out so we decided to rip off Pharah too.

>>376119540
Why make the characters look exactly like Melee instead of fixing the damn physics and fighting engine?

>>376131303
Obviously that requires a lot more work than overhauling the gameplay. IIRC modders still haven't figured out how to change the files necessary to add wavedashing to the game.

>>376131483
>a lot more work than overhauling the gameplay

*a lot more work than making costumes

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>>376130176
>Project M died for this shit

>>376120842

White Ganon is the most disturbing image I've seen today

>>376130176
Strong bads a hack nothing new.

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>>376119795
It's not really that anyone cares about Melee specifically.
We just want a Smash game that isn't floaty trash where every stock is

>get opponent to 80%
>hit them off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>they make it back
>hit them off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>they make it back
>hit them off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>they make it back
>hit them off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>they make it back
>hit them off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>they make it back
>hit them off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>they make it back
>hit them off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>they make it back
>get them to 200%
>finally take the stock

Nothing about Melee makes it so people who want to play silly all items joke stage matches can't do so. Everything about games post-Melee make it so you can't play it no items on balanced predictable stages and that's fucking dumb.
Sakurai must have suffered absolute anal apocalypse from a good Melee player at some point. It's embarrassing.

>>376130064
None of those things are because melee is a bad game, in fact it's the opposite. It's got the highest technical execution requirement of any game short of maybe Starcraft.
Rather be playing a dead but near perfect game than one Nintendo shills for that is deeply flawed.

>>376130176

they got 6 million in funding they recently announced

I have zilch interest in Smash competitively and haven't played Melee in a long ass time, but you don't need to be that committed to Smash to know that Smash 4's physics and implementation of features (stage design, online lobbies/no reasonable matchmaking/tourney mode's a wash in every reasonable way) is ass

All these wavedash games people have to do is not make ugly-ass characters and they can scoop up a lot of Smash's audience, and it looks like theyre botching that up. They allegedly got multiple people from Blizzard and Riot Games on board so theyll likely have a clue as to how to push the game forward feature-wise

>>376130986
>decide to rip off overwatch
>don't fill game full of waifus
They were almost there.

>>376119795
They have autism

Melee is an unplayable mess that literally only autists are good at

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>>376132035

Yeah Sakurai has a very rigid definition on how to properly play Smash and apparently we all stepped out of bounds. I dont even think Melee is that great, but you can easily turn from casual to competitive with a couple of literal switch flips. When i was young i thought Roy was an elder god by just smashing the c-stick; melee having a high skill ceiling didnt deter me from playing despite me being ass, and i still loved it

>every stage is a transforming festival
>no hazard toggle, so if you dont like the above, only option is 40+ literal Final Destination clones
>online severely underdeveloped in all conceivable ways
>tourney mode online-only
>the pure extent of recycled content from previous games

thats just a surface-scratcher, Between all that and Smash having a 6+ year gestation period between installments, its gonna be really easy for a competing """platform-fighter""" to wiggle its way in

>>376132267
>Melee
>Near perfect
>In order to play at the "highest technical execution requirement of any game" have to disregard 2/3rds of the characters, 3/4ths of the stages, and 90% of the options
Every single other fighter people move on. It is far more interesting to see the development of a new meta, then to see and old one get flogged long after its dead. Melee is a game people have already figured out. Just look at Dreamhack, where the final came down to avoiding the opponent because that opponent was playing a character with a fundamentally broken grab, which if the game was getting revisions would be patched out.
>Accusing companies of promoting their newest product of "shilling"
Look up what a shill is, anon.

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>>376132410
6 million from WHO exactly? Fuck give me that much money, and I'll make a badass platform fighter.

Even if Nintendo did release a Melee HD, it wouldn't be good enough. Nothing they could do would be fucking good enough.

Melee could be the first Virtual Console release and they'd STILL find something to bitch about.

>>376132410
Do you really think that people will be interested Smash without all the Nintendo characters?
If Melee starred Falcon, Gunrock. Pete, and Valgas, no one would still be playing it today.
Its all about name recognition, just like how there are many fighting games better than Street Fighter 5, none of them are called Street Fighter, so they will never get as much attention.

>>376133219
Its why they wont do it.

>>376119540
As long as they patch l-cancelling and wave dashing, I'm cool with it.

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>>376119667
I'm the developer of a melee inspired fighter called Melee Masters.

You'll see a trailer for it next weekend if you watch royal flush and I'm sponsoring the event with a booth as well so it'll be playable there.

In about 2-3 weeks I should have a playable "demo" to put out, for people that want a taste of the game (it wouldn't include online as I'm still working on that). Followed by an alpha in about a month and a half than a beta than release.

>>376133241
I disagree, you could say the same for overwatch when compared to TF2, the problem I'm having is i'm a cprogrammer not a character designer so making characters people enjoy/will love is the challenge, the actual physics/mechanics are piss easy to implement.

>>376133241

Yeah.

Smash's gameplay is familiar to basically everybody, and a competing title that doesn't immediately shit its pants could draw a lot of attention. Fun-yet-familiar gameplay and good character design can go a long way, look at LoL and Overwatch.

Im not saying it will completely out-compete Smash, but they can easily draw a crowd. But right now all their current character designs look unappealing or outright bad.

>>376133219

Only the autistic top players that bitch about 2-frame delay care about absolute perfection.

>>376133241
>>376133357
Depends, the key lies in having very appealing character designs, imo.

New IP always have a very strong art direction, something Wavedash lacks.

>>376133357
I've seen your site, is it just you working on this?

>>376133609
Yes, I have commisioned artists/animators but as far as like actual employees I'm the sole developer. Honestly with funding, i'd spend literally 90% of it on character design/creation as I am a pretty competent programmer, thats really the only help I need. That and hiring a full time animator, every animator I've interviewed has been shit and worse than me.

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>>376132903
Dreamhack was an example of the literal opposite of stagnation. The past few months in general have been pretty consistently shifting the meta with Falcon play and what looks like a shrinking of the gap between the Big 6 and everyone else.
We're one Armada/HBox slump away from having every tournament be up for grabs for a whole other tier of players.

Within the last 2 months we've had SFAT, Wizzrobe, and Chudat all almost win majors.
Fucking 40 year old Ice Climbers vs Puff in the GFs of of a major in the game featuring "Fox only no items final destination" and you want to say the meta is stagnant?

This is one of the most exciting times for melee since it came back, how the fuck could you find any tournament this year stagnant?

>>376133357

How did/do you even get started on all this. Do you have a small team already?

Id love to get cracking on a Smash-like but I have essentially null transferrable skills to game design (it would just be a hobby for me though).

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>>376119540
You stupid mouthbreathing faggots would whine about something being different in Melee HD and do a LE EPIC GOOBERGATE BOYCOTT XD.

>>376133357

I like your Ultimate design. Something like a super meter is something that would be great in Smash, with Smash already lightly playing with the concept (Cloud Limit, Wario Waft).

>>376133808
Just me my dude, I've done all the design, 100% of the animation, all the programming ect.

I got started as a project in college to show potential employers that i have skills to make something, than about half a year in it started looking like something playable or feasable, then literally a month later PM announced their stopping development. So I took it upon myself to try and give the community the smash game they've wanted. without the restrictions of a corporation holding it down. I've invested quite a lot of my own money in this, and even if it fails, I have the skills to pull a 120k job fairly easily, but I do want this to succeed. So I will need some amount of crowdfunding in the next coming months if I want things to live up to what I want them to be. i.e: full features, spectating, online tournaments, more than just 8 characters ect.

>>376132035
>>376132820

> 6 character meta

Yeah your game is shit

>>376133797
>Carrying about professionals
These people are delusional enough to think video games are a job, who cares what they think?

>>376133797
Puff and Climbers have been high tier or slightly below since at least 2010.
They have pretty much been the cutoff for "tournament viable" since then.
Fox only is a meme, but the game is still stagnant.

>>376119667
>because Smash 4 doesn't suck major cock like Brawl did
Brawl was shit, Smash 4 is shit with some sprinkles on top.

Yeah it's "better" but you can't compare something to the literal worst and call it good.

>>376134135
Thanks mang.

I'm taking steps to balance them so they aren't extremely oppressive but still fun to use.

>>376121017
>games so old it uses OOT designs

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>>376133775
Funny you say that, I'm a competent artist, and wanting to work on a similar project. Here's a rough of roster I'm working on for a fighting game.

Contact me, and I might be willing to collaborate if our goals align, I don't mind working on the art side of things for "free" if we co-create this. I'll give you more details in private, as I don't wanna say too much in public.

I actually thought about contacting you when I came across your site a couple weeks ago, as I'm looking for a skilled programmer, so it's a funny thing seeing you here.

My blog is manlyspirit.tumblr.com, you can also hit me up on instagram or whatever, if none of those work, I'll post my email in the next post.

>>376134147

Yeah thats some profound talent, from an outsider game design seems like huge teams with each person having narrow specialization.

Not to drown your ass in questions but where/when did you learn to start with all this. I dabbled in high school but was too fucking stupid for programming in college so i switched majors.

>>376132410
>All these wavedash games people have to do is not make ugly-ass characters
They fucked up already

>>376119667
>Smash 4 doesn't suck
Lmao

>>376134639
>dude under the angel
Literally Bloodborne.

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>>376119667
>Smash 4 doesn't suck major cock

>>376132410
>They allegedly got multiple people from Blizzard

Bad omen

Everytime ex Blizz devs move on to something outside of Blizzard, it fails

Also Riot are not 1 bit talented, they got lucky with having the first DOTA clone outside of WC3 be popular, that's it

>>376121017
Curse you LINK

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>>376134791
Vanhellsing is what people called it out as, they're all a first draft, currently working on fleshing them out more, starting with the catgirl as she was the most popular by far, she even got fanart drawn of her already.

>>376134903
>>376132410

I reached out to the PM devs/these guys as I was starting my project but they weren't interested. Maybe our goals are different but I feels a competitive gamer myself I have what it takes to bring the melee successor people want.

>>376134639
I'll hit you up(or hit me up), if you'd like to run-through my designs and offer criticism/ideas i'm more than willing to hear them out.

>>376134680
I failed out of engineering in college so i figured since i play computer games so much and am on it all the time i'll try out programming. and turns out i was pretty good at programming.

And theres TONS of resources online to fill in everything else, unfortunately I think programming is the core you need to start solo-deving, at least for this type of game. r/gamedev helps a lot with the marketing/managment advice side, and as for actual design I just play a lot of game, watch peoples reactions to said games in comments/twitch chat and think it over.

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>>376119795
I want Melee gameplay, but since Nintendo is never doing anything non-casual again I would settle for a half assed port of Melee in the Switch.

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>>376135129
Pants are weird, but she's pretty cute.
I would gladly fap to your character.

>>376131742
it's trump ganon
he has trump sound effects

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Best. Smash game. EVER.

>>376135428
What game?

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>>376135873
Melee Masters. I'm the developer.

www.playmeleemasters.com for some info.

There will be a playable demo in a few weeks, an alpha by july and we'll see after that.

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>>376135340
>>376135428
We'll talk about it in private, I think you'll be excited to hear what we've got cooked up. When it comes to building an IP and a brand especially. I'll tell you more in private.

>>376135757
People have said that a lot.

I posted the roster around on cripplechan, Imgur, Reddit, Tumblr, and a couple discord chats.

Top 5 were
Catgirl
Guts dude
Kamen Rider dude
Red Hood Girl
Elf Guy

In that order more or less, but everyone seemed to grow attached to every character, so that's a very positive sign.

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>>376119540
Melee babbys think controller macros that auto wave dash are cheating while ignoring the fact that wavedashing is just a physics engine exploit

>>376120790
>every single tournament is won by the jigglypuff or peach player
>fox is the only viable character
Makes you think

>>376136096
Word, looking forward to it. That was I think the biggest complaint with the game was art style/character design. and luckily enough, that is the easiest to change. (it just requires money).

>>376136517
Yeah, I don't like dissing on people's art, especially in public, but that is a weakness I saw as well, and why I was planning on contacting you. Hit me up, and we'll talk, cause there's potential for magic to happen here.

Why does smash triggers /v/?

>>376136846
Because they suck at it and people get mad when you tell them they suck at videogames.

>>376119667
True but at the same time Meleefags are so stuck on their game they'd be willing to make Sm4sh more like it

>>376136320
Huh, so I was right the first time. A grand total of 3 viable characters. Really did make me overthink

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>>376119795
Don't you want to see the same 7 people win the same tourneys with the same 4 characters?

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>when /v/ dislikes a franchises direction so much they stop shitposting and facilitate actual discussion

>>376135340

>I failed out of engineering in college so i figured since i play computer games so much and am on it all the time i'll try out programming. and turns out i was pretty good at programming.
>And theres TONS of resources online to fill in everything else

thanks for the advice and background here

honestly i had it locked into my mind that all the people who program started off as child prodigies and i missed the boat but thats clearly not the case

>>376121035

What a dreadful post. Truly irredeemable.

>>376138261
Prove me wrong. Protip: You won't.

Now go back to pretending Melee is relevant.

>>376138261
Don't give him the (You)s

>>376138684
This, meleefags never learn.

>>376119540
eww, what's with that ugly chain mail texture?

>>376138060
It was mainly a dedication thing, I like never went to class, didn't study well and fucked up out of engineering. Once i switched and set my mind to doing well, I did well. You gotta want it to get good at it.

I approach all programming problems as a puzzle, every puzzle has a solution, and breaking things down into manageable steps makes nothing impossible.

>>376135428
the new sims game looks bonkers

>>376128618
Sony actually did make people buy an online adapter for the ps2

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>>376134852
I meant in the sense that there is a competitive scene and many people still play the game, which are both true. The game is 2 years old and people still enjoy it so there's no incentive to change it.

just let the game die. this game only lives because people adopted the jank exploits as "tech." The community is nothing but elitest man children.