Don't mind me, just being the best Sonic game out there.

bumpitty bump bump bumpitty

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>>376073217
Sonic heroes was mediocre at best. Pic related is the real best sonic game out there.

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Just fuck off you damn plebs.

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>>376073391
You didn't post the right version.

DUDE
10 MINUTE LEVELS
LMAO

>>376073391
>>376073612

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

>>376073485
Clusterfuck level design and traveling to the past/future was annoying to pull off. Nowhere near the best you faggot

>>376073813
It's genuinely awesome. It's serious, but not edgy serious or mind numbingly silly.

>>376073813
Game has a shit ton of problems but honestly its still fun.

>>376073217
no

>>376073391
also no

>>376073485
definitely no

>>376073694
I hate this complaint so much. Now we're at the other end of the spectrum where the average level is over within 3 minutes, and each game using this format has to be bogged down by some half-assed alternative playstyle just to artificially extend the game to a playtime that's almost just barely worth the 60$ asking price. Heroes really was the best 3D Sonic game in terms of level, art design, and length. Adventure 2 beats it in style, music and writing, Unleashed has the best graphics, and Generations has the most fun gameplay.

>>376073612
Literally only played this for the chao garden. Would make one fun mobile game. Walk around to collect animals, use to make your chao better. Would be pretty entertaining.

>>376074041
>Now we're at the other end of the spectrum where the average level is over within 3 minutes
That's a good length for a level though. 3-5 mins are roughly how long levels take in the Genesis games too.
It's long enough to be interesting without dragging on like in Heroes.

>>376074041
Heroes just repeats the same portions of the level multiple times to have an artificial length.

>>376073217
Those levels were too fucking long and switching between the characters slowed down the action too much.

>>376073813
He's not wrong though. Chao Garden Adventure 2 Battle is the best game in the Chao Garden series.

>>376074140
Holy shit, I literally compared chao garden to a mobile game while explaining it to my friend the other day. Nothing wrong with that though, considering its unreasonably interesting.

Anyone who defends Sonic Heroes hasn't played it recently and are only going off of memory.

>>376073612
This

>>376073217

Sonic Heroes was pure garbage. Obviously you are underage and it was your first sonic game.

>>376074223
Switching of the characters was instantaneous you retarded fucking lying bastard

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>>376073902
>but not edgy serious
pic related

>>376074327
These days I've seen people say things like:
>Unleashed is better than Generations
Heck, I see kids these days defending Sonic 06, the game that was basically Adventure 3.

>>376074384
I wouldn't say pure garbage. There's things to like about it. It's pretty bad though.

Pure garbage would be reserved for something like 06 which is completely broken or Chronicles/Boom which have literally nothing going for them.

>>376074293
They tried to make it sort of mobile when it was on the dreamcast. Those VMU memory cards in the controller could have chao put in them for extra stuff when you take them places.

I don't see why sega hasn't capitalized on this yet.

>>376074384
Fuck off faggot, the classics are overrated as shit and the modern games are bleh. The Adventure era titles are truly Sonic at his best

>>376074562
In their defense, 06 tried to be Adventure 3. Tried.

>>376074619
Nuh, its not adventure 3 because chao garden or something or whatever bullshit argument people come up with

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>>376074562

>>376074562
Unleashed is better than Generations. The daytime stages at least.

>>376074770
Nah.

>>376074562
To be fair, I do think Unleashed gets a bit too much flack. Generations is a much more solid game all the way through, but to me, Unleashed has higher peaks and a great sense of style with the continents and such. Fuck the entire endgame though

LET'S BLAST THROUGH WITH SONIC SPEED

OKAY

ALRIGHT

>>376074562
>>376074619
>>376074705
If 06 was meant to be Adventure 3, it'd be called that.

>>376074163
But 3D Sonic games aren't on the Genesis. This is the thing that's holding the franchise back, this constant over reliance on walking through the shadows of nostalgia without the proper understanding of WHY things were the way they were, and HOW they worked so well. If Nintendo went forward with the Mario franchise like Sega/Sonic fans do with Sonic now, Mario 64 would have been a claustrophobic and bland point-A to point-B obstacle course through 1-1, 1-2, and Bowser's Castle, instead of the legendary fully original wide open adventure that it was.

A 35 minute long game (assuming the standard 7 stages) for 60$ in this age is more than abysmal, it's a huge ripoff. As far as the current gameplay formula is concerned, there's no learning curve or replayability involved because current-gen gamers find any sort of unexpected death or difficulty swing to be cheap or unfair. You also can't simply just "add more levels", because the boost formula is incredibly expensive to develop for with its 3 mile long hand-crafted racetracks. The formula is completely unsustainable, and saying 3-5 minutes is fine because that was the standard in the 90's is woefully ignorant.

>>376074891
Fuck eggmanland

WOOOOAH MY HEAD'S SPINNING

>>376075074
Because Sonic 4 is very much that.

>>376074928
>>376074960
>>376075013
Holy shit that was fast sonic fast

>>376073391
no. characters control weird, the only ones with good gameplay are sonic and shadow. tail's levels are boring smash b levels. knuckles hide n seek levels are boring and annoying

>>376075106
Daytime Eggmanland is probably the most well designed level in the entire boost series.

>>376075106
I loved Eggmanland conceptually but holy shit what a goddamn way to end the game. Especially going for the hotdog missions

>>376075074
So why doesn't Jedi Outcast have Dark Forces in the title?

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>>376074817
>>376074891
I think Unleashed gets flack, but the main problem I have with it is that Sonic does not handle well in terms of raw platforming.

Also the homing attack button being shared with boost is really odd.

>>376075291
>Also the homing attack button being shared with boost is really odd.
But this was only on 360, wasn't it?

>>376075093
>But 3D Sonic games aren't on the Genesis.
Of course. I just used them as examples of well paced levels. It gets tiring having to do these huge 10-15 minute long level.
Mystic Mansion especially was a drag.

>>376073217
Not as bad as I thought it would be/10

>>376074595
>I don't see why sega hasn't capitalized on this yet.

There's a reason why Sega failed.

>>376075405
Nay, PS3 had Homing Attack on square
I believe the PS2 version was the only one you could homing attack on the same button as jump
And Wii with the gamecube controller i guess

>>376075291
Yeah, Gens does the slower platforming parts a bit better, and homing attack on jump instead of the boost is just common sense. I will say though, Unleashed has this sort of presentation that I feel Generations missed a bit; I get a much bigger rush from a perfect run of say, Jungle Joyride than Gens Speed Highway.

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That doesn't look 2D.

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Legit best Sonic game coming through

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I see no Z level there

I enjoy the Adventure games (and Heroes), but I wouldn't call them good

They're like those little flawed c-grade gems

>>376074562
You clearly don't know what edgy means.

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>>376073217
Only 2D Sonic can be called "best"
Only the Genesis Sonic games can be called "best"
Only Sonic 3 and Knuckles can be called "best"
Because it is.

>>376073217
>king of shit mountain

Whatever happened to the sonic games that involved all the characters? We need more

>shadow
>omega
>metal sonic
>team chaotix
>silver(maybe)

Whatever happened to these people?

>>376076179
B+ grade gems***

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>>376076362
GIVE AMY HER OWN GAME! SHE'S CUTE AND I LOVE HER!

>>376076362
SEGA still hasn't got over everyone complaints about having to play as Sonic's friends ever since Heroes
I remember they proudly announcing that Unleashed only had Sonic playable like it was yesterday
Hhhhehehehehheh
Fuck

>Bunch of new characters
>Bunch of new fanfiction tier story
>Constantly breaking up playing the game for more and more crappy story
What the hell were they thinking when they made the jump from 2D to 3D?

>>376076246
Kill yourself. Classic fanboys are so annoying cancerous and delusional. It's about damn time Adventure fags took a stand

>>376074384
Sonic Heroes came out in 2003, how the fuck would he be underaged? It was my 3rd and I'm 20.

>>376073217
Doesn't look like Generations to me.

SA 2 is laughable garbage. While not quite as bad, it's in the same "so bad it's actually entertaining" boat like 2006.

>>376076482
Adding depth and expanding the universe is a bad thing? Why is this so taboo for Sonic? Why are you such a retarded piece of shit?

>>376076568
This, tired of adventure 1 and 2 being cut down. They're some of the best sonic games.

>>376076004
That game's fucking nuts.

>>376076636
Sonic adventure 2 is good you contrarian fuck.

>>376073217
Would be if you fixed some of the fundamental issues like level repetition, control, and method of unlocking the final act.
>>376073391
Absolutely stupid plot, fuck the mech levels, Mad Space and Security Hall both blow shit. Had the best chao garden, though. It's my #2.
>>376073485
I agree. My favorite.

>>376076482
There's only a handful of cutscenes in SA2 that lasts longer than a minute, most of them are just setting up the next zone not too dissimilar to 3&K, Heroes barely had any story at all
Though personally i don't mind the cutscenes it became troublesome from Colors onwards, those cutscenes has no purpose whatsoever aside from spitting out unfunny jokes in the middle of a really lackluster story, i mean fuck, if you're already putting that much cutscenes anyway then at least make it something worthwhile to watch

>>376076568
I actually don't hate Adventures, I'd just suggest if SEGA would go back to that, cut all but Sonic's gameplay and go S3&K style with characters (Sonic based with 1 unique ability). That and Chao Garden and you're golden

Until than, only the Classics can be called "best", etc, etc.

Bring back the Anime storylines, they were fucking stupid and hilarious

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>>376076821
It's the worst game I've ever finished.

>>376076829
The story is no masterpiece, but it's still entertaining and the mech levels weren't bad at all.

>>376077000
The story and dialog are both abysmal. Fucking laughable at times.

And I'm not even counting the terrible animation.

>>376077087
No, it's not abysmal or laughable at all.

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>>376076976
>worst
>When you actually wasted money on Sonic """""4"""""
>Both episodes even
Kill yourself.

>>376077185
I laughed when Sonic did the Bruce Lee pose

>>376076976
>PC version
well there's your problem; DC, GC, PS3/360 or bust

>>376077229
>Looking further than the first game on that list

>>376077185
It objectively is.
Unless you're some 8 y'old kid and just don't know any better.
It's horrific.

>>376077267
No, there's no problem.
The game ran perfectly.

>>376077231
I'm not saying sonic has award winning writing, but you're just hating it because it's cool to hate it.

>>376077185
it definitely is. Partially because they didn't bother adjusting the timing of the cutscenes in the dub resulting in people interrupting each other.

>>376077329
>>376077359
>objectively
Not an argument. You're just a bunch of classicfags hating it because it's cool.

>>376076976
And how the hell you spend 20 hours on this?

>>376077329
How exactly is the plot """""""horrific"""""?

>>376077229
episode 2 was good

>>376073217
Say what you will about Heroes, there is NO REASON why they shouldn't do a sequel which fixes all the game's problems.
Apart from glitches I personally think the game was perfect.
The game would include new teams but here are my ideas:

>Flight characters can now be controlled normally, and their flight mechanics are only activated after a double jump.

New Teams:
Team Sol: Blaze and Silver. A special unlockable duo with unique game play compared to the usual "fly, power, speed" mechanics. Maybe it acts as a super hard mode?
Team Umbra: Bayonetta as a single character Maybe as DLC? At the least, a very difficult unlock. When you switch between speed, power and flight, Bayonetta is always kept in play but the magic circle below her changes colour to match her changing moveset/playstyle.
In speed form, she activates her Panther Within technique when she reaches top speed, her homing attack resembles After Burner Kick, and her whirlwind technique (all speed characters have one iirc) takes the form of Witch Twist, or her airborne spinning kick, complete with flashy bullet arts.
In Flight form, she uses her butterfly wings to gain some height, and instead of the Thunder Shoot (i.e flinging characters at enemies) she just shoots at them with her guns.
In Power form, she uses her punches, kicks, bullet arts and wicked weaves (a toned down version of each) to attack enemies. Her dash attack takes the form of her Heel Slide Move.
Bayonetta can dodge opponents' attacks, and even slow down time if she dodges at the last second.
Her Team Attack could be, idk, Gammorah, some other infernal demon, etc.

>>376077359
That makes it funny

>>376077449
>classicfags
Oh gosh, you couldn't be further from the truth: >>376076636

>>376077472
Should have asked me that 4 or so years ago.

>>376077585
I agree, but that doesn't make it any less abysmal.

>>376076667
Why does a children's game need that sort of "depth"? It is annoying at best. Mario 64 got it right, the princess got kidnapped once again and you had to explore the castle to eventually unlock the way to Bowser.

>Why are you such a retarded piece of shit?
Because you obviously grew up with 3D Sonic in which they shoehorned these sort of things in.
>>376076568
When you actually get good physics and controls so Sonic can actually control properly while not having abysmal camera then maybe 3D Sonic games could actually start being good.

I want a good 3D Sonic game, though the Sonic Team has proven time and time again that they are incapable of it. Complain about the classic fanboys as much as you like, but that was when Sonic got popular rather than waned, and for good reason due to the games actually being good rather than a joke of the industry.

>>376077717
funny = enjoyable

>>376077717
You're just convincing me further and further you really are a classicfag who treats the genesis as the only true sonic.

>>376077761
Are you just going to keep spouting the same shit?

>>376077878
>classicfag
Read: >>376077640

>>376077918
You're not convincing me otherwise classicfag.

>>376077754
>while not having abysmal camera
Oh, you mean the #1 reason why all old 2D Sonics are worthless garbage?

>>376077968
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>376078000
You say you love generations the most classicfag, stop bashing 2d sonic to try to not appear as one.

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>>376076362
>no Silver psychic powered game

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>>376078105
Here, have a toilet. Maybe this will help you get your shit out of your system?
It seems necessary.

I'm off now, have fun fighting against those windmills.

>>376078242
Sonic 4 and generations was made to get cancerous classicfags to shut up.

>>376078000
>Oh, you mean the #1 reason why all old 2D Sonics are worthless garbage?
So continually recanting /v/ meme's then? No one had any problems playing Sonic before. It seems like a new phenomena of people complaining about their own incompetence.

>>376078536
He's a classicfag, they have no ability to think for themselves.

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I'm 22 and my first sonic was in 3D, the adventure 1 DX directors cut dickass whatever.
I played pretty much every 3D sonic, then I get to Generations a couple years ago.

The 2D shit is infinitely more difficult holy fuck it's 100% all reaction time, if it's your first time playing a level you literally have to just jump asap to not get anything lower than an S

>>376078536
>No one had any problems playing Sonic before.
As somebody that played the far, far, far superior Mario games, I did.

>>376079268
>the far, far, far superior Mario games

Dragged the fuck out of it. Mario games are better, but not by much.

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Sonic was never good. Time to accept that he's been dead, which is why ever game tries to revive an already accepted zombie-like series

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Are Unleashed, Colors, Generations, heck even the Rush games "Boost to Win"?

It's the complaint I see from every Adventurefag these days.

>>376079508
Would it kill you to stop spouting memes for once? Fucking pathetic bastard.

>>376079623
sure, i'm the pathetic bastard. Nintendo is better. Sonic sucks, sorry you can't handle the truth.

>>376079508
maybe , just maybe , people doesnt give a damn ?
sonic is cool nigga.

>>376073902
not even talking about the story man, it says something that that's all you're talking about

>>376079716
Yeah, we are aware about the Nintendo tilt /v/ has, no need to iterate that.

>>376079508
>>376079716
Arin is dead. Arin was never good.

>>376076362
Sonic 06 happened, that's what

>>376076478
>yet another gameplay style anyways
Wow

Quick! Everyone send your favorite track from this game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEisuRNYmBA

Just re-bought Sonic Adventure 2 on my PS3. Is it worth it to also but the Battle DLC?

>>376080816
Only if you plan on using the multiplayer.

Id buy a sonic heroes remaster

>>376080852
Alright thanks, I thought I'd miss out on stuff like the Chao garden without it.

>>376074041
Heroes was where Sega lost focus on what makes a Sonic game fun. The physics weren't as interesting as the Adventure games, the slapped on Power and Flight gimmicks interrupted the flow of gameplay, giving enemies health bars only slowed down the pace further and put a greater emphasis on an aspect of Sonic games (combat) that was never all that great to begin with, and the stages were awfully designed, as others have already stated.

And that's not getting into what was probably the dumbest Sonic story up to that point, the awful ports, the game being split into 4 routes to make the game seem longer than it actually was, or the stiff controls in general. Sonic Heroes gets far more love than it deserves, frankly, and is probably the worst Sonic game that isn't outright broken hello, '06 and Boom.

>>376074617
>Adventure era titles are truly Sonic at his best
You mean the worst. They have no direction. A clusterfuck of different gameplay segments. The games are filled with non-gameplay tack segments, poor 3D models and CG. Not to mention a camera that fights the player at every turn.

>>376081339
Has great music and i liked the special stages

The game isnt too great, def a 2.5 out of 5, but its still ok.

>>376081547
I'll give it this, the special stages took the worst part of Sonic 2, and fixed it, so that was nice.
>Implying Sonic games can have bad music.
Chronicles and Boom don't count as Sonic games

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>>376073217
Good taste OP
But this game is better

Sa3 when?

>>376076004
I agree, I want to play an upscaled HD version of this so badly

>>376076568
>>376076362
>>376076669
>>376076821

This

>>376076004
Sky Patrol was better.

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.

>>376082292
I don't think SA3 is possible with the current Sonic team. They're all hacks

>>376076669
They're technically unsound games in many ways, with camera issues, finicky controls, and awful treasure hunting sections.
They're not bad games, but they're certainly not great games. They're just kind of fun games, if you ignore the shit parts.

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>>376082614

>>376082658
Sadly you're right. That's why I play a fangame called Sonic World instead.

>>376081751

Yeah i never try to say heroes is amazing but i dont wish it didnt exist if that makes sense.

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>>376082710
Best edit coming through

>>376082710
World was okay. Levels could be better though. No real reason to go back and replay it, just doesn't appeal somehow.

Playing as all those other characters is nice though.

>>376082727
Sure, I get it.
I'm not sure if I would wish for it not to exist, if only because it feels like an inevitable consequence of Sega jumping ship on the console market. No console meant a smaller budget for making Sonic's games, which resulted in more distractions being slapped in to make up for it. If we didn't get Heroes, we would have gotten something with similar problems. At least, that's what I assumed happened.

>>376082614
>>376082710
>>376082782
So, what do these pictures mean?

>>376082891
Theres new levels coming out every other day, you just need to sort through a lot of shitty level packs to find good ones. The next release is gonna have online 2 player and also a shit ton of new stages from sa1 and sa2.

>>376083125
Classic sonic is fat, the games are slow and unfun, and the level design is enfuriating

>>376073612
There you go

>>376083379
You mean you have to be more mindful of your momentum to clear certain sections and that the game demands some sort of level memorization to be proficient at it like any other game during that era?

Better than a bunch of boost pads steering you in a different direction constantly or having very broken physics and the camera suddenly switching and the controls following suit.

Sonic has been a momentum based platformer. Though I understand, you cannot adapt and grew up with boost pads so you prefer that sort of game.

>>376076568
Look i will defend sonic adventure 2 to the death anon but the classic games are flat out superior.

Classic fags would empathize more if you werent delusional.

I own the adventure games on gamecube, ps3, and steam. Im a big fan, but from one fan to another accept reality please.

>>376083379
Yeah that's it is. I got tired of wading through it all.

Online multiplayer? Shit, I should install it again.

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She'll never appear again thanks to how horrible that game was, thanks archie, thanks penders, thanks sega's law department and thanks bioware, I still remember your cock sucking fanbows defending your lazy online stealing buggy mess of a game that for extra dick points you made the characters suck off all your staff in rapid succession as a final fuck you to anybody who actually forced themselves to complete that garbage.

>>376084173
Wait for R8, or try out some of the existing level packs
-Avoid Gemstone's stages
-Avoid HyperJay stages

Jalex777, Yellow Drill, Waisechef, MightyN7, CII(C2) make good ones for the most part

>>376084253
>She'll never appear again
Good.

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>>376084253
>TFW I unironically love Chronicles

Beat it like 4 times. I really liked this fucker and his twin.

>>376073217
I liked the twests in the story.

>>376085245
y tho

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>>376075405
>>376075732
I gave Rooftop Run both a go on Unleashed and Generations just now

Good grief, the Boost Formula relies on trial and error, although I think because of how it's designed, you want to complete the stages as fast as possible.

Only thing I can really say is that even in Generations Sonic still somewhat controls like a tank, especially in super slow sections like the 3D platforming of Seaside Hill.

It's fun, but I can see why some people get frustrated. You have to gitgud at the controls or die trying.

>>376073217
>Not Sonic 3 & Knuckles

OP confirmed for shittiest taste and probably severe crippling autism.

Secret Rings

>>376086093
I fucking dropped that shit after the Aladian stage.

>>376085014
Reminder that after Forces flops and Mania vastly outsells it the following characters will never appear again aside from the Olympic games

Amy Rose
Cream the Rabbit
Big the Cat
Shadow the Hedgehog
Rogue the Bat
E123 Omega
Vector the Crocodile
Charmy Bee
Espio the Chameleon
Blaze the Cat
Marine the Raccoon
Silver the Hedgehog
Sticks the Badger

They'll all be on their way to useless character hell with
Mighty the Armadillo
Ray the flying Squirrel
Nack the Weasel
Bark the polar Bear
Bean the Dynamite
Honey the Cat
Gemerl the Gilzoid
Dr. Eggman Nega
Jet the Hawk
Storm the Albatross
Wave the Swallow
Tikal the enchidna
Chaos the water god
Shade the enchidna

and not a single one of these characters will be missed. Honestly, in my opinion Knuckles should be axed as well since his emerald means nothing

>>376086154
I dropped it after "lol nope secret final boss go back and play every level again"

>>376086219
>Sonic will become a light hearted series once again
Feels great.

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>>376086219
If they kept Silver after the shitshop that was 06, I doubt they'll just drop everyone

Also, Nack appearance fucking when?

>>376086524
sonic mania
>the boys

Would you play Sonic Boom if it was based on the TV show

>>376086524
Silver was never going away after 06, Rivals was developed at the same time as that game. Thankfully, since sega is still fucking clueless about 3D sonic so once Mania proves to make more money for less they'll finally just drop it.
>>376086517
It was always light hearted, now it'll just be worth a buy and a maybe even shelf space alongside other games like Mario. >>376086617
Never. Let that stay a shitty kid's show.

>>376086617
yes

but ultimately they shouldn't be diverting any more money to that subfranchise

but yes

>>376086617
This is like asking for a seinfeld video game

>>376081339
>or the stiff controls in general.
It wasn't stiff. It was too twitchy.
Lightly tap the analog stick in one direction and sonic fucking zooms off at 100 mph.

>>376082710
Ocean Palace and Wave Ocean are the best Sonic World stages. Discuss.

>>376086881
You're thinking of '06. Heroes had the Sonic that couldn't turn worth shit.

>>376087028
Really? I guess I'm remembering wrong but I remember that being a problem with all adventure era games to a varying extent.

>>376086219
Isn't Amy in Mania?

>>376087094
It was kind of an issue in the Adventure games, but it wasn't nearly as bad as it was in 06', and was only really noticeable when you were going really fast.

>>376086219
I think Vector (original design) and Espio should return in some form as one off appearances; I feel like they could be quite fleshed out in future 2D games.

>>376087115
as far as we know, no

you might be thinking of that fanmade sprite animation

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Mfw 00 kiddies are praising Sonic 06 now
https://youtu.be/3JFLqHGNijc

>>376087484
This is just objectively wrong.

LEAVE IT TO ME
LEAVE IT TO ME
LEAVE IT TO ME
WHEE!
LEAVE IT TO ME
WHOOOOAH MY HEAD'S SPINNING!

>>376087936
>SHIT -

>>376086279
>>376087484
Holy fuck.

>>376077878
>the genesis as the only true sonic
It basically is though. I've been a fan since it came out and they have never made a game anywhere close to as good as the original games.

Even as early as fucking Knuckles' Chaotix you can see problems that have plagued the series for over a fucking decade. Sonic Team hasn't learned, and I'm honestly not sure what they even want out of the series at this point.

>>376089492
>I'm honestly not sure what they even want out of the series at this point.
The money, duh. Despite the gameplay of modern Sonic being consistently shitty, something about his "cool", snarky attitude resonates an unhealthy amount with his fanbase, leading to a cult-like fascination and willingness to buy anything with the Sonic name plastered on it. It's almost baffling, because even fucking Mario has gotten fatigue from fans when his games have slumped, but Sonic fans are in perpetual denial and Sega's obviously not going to stop catering to them, especially when they don't have to put out anywhere near the effort they used to in order to reach the same results.

>>376075093
>Mario 64 would have been a claustrophobic and bland point-A to point-B obstacle course through 1-1, 1-2, and Bowser's Castle, instead of the legendary fully original wide open adventure that it was

Sonic could've been just as revolutionary. They chose to skimp out and bog the game down with a bunch of shit nobody wanted, so all we got were a bunch of half-assed games. Then they have to start from scratch because instead of focusing on one thing and refining it they just throw it out every other game.

Honestly Forces is probably going to be mediocre as fuck. They're sticking with boost, which is whatever at this point, but of course they're going to pad the fuck out of the game with stupid shit because they know people will bitch if their $60 game isn't a long-ass experience regardless of whether most of that experience is actually fun or not. I replay classic Sonic all the time and they're short games, but rarely do I ever replay most modern Sonic games, since they're fucking slogs and waste my fucking time.

>>376088324
ROCK

>>376074179
And you have to do those long repetitive levels 4 damn times, with only Chaotix having some meaningful variation of the level.

>>376073217
Was pretty good. Everything from mystic mansion and onwards sucks but the game is 9/10 before that. I personally rank it as an 8, for the end game sucking, story being to light, and some control issues

>>376086986
Wrong fuck off Ozcrash, Sonic Heroes Stages are shit

>>376073485
Agreed

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>the adventure games will forever be lopped together with the shitty 3d games

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>>376091743
Feela bad man

>>376091743
What shitty 3d games? shadow and 06? Shadow aint even all that bad if you play it neutrally, just to the end

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Sonic Adventure 2 is shit and Sonic Adventure 1 is vastly superior in EVERY way.

>>376092541
I have to agree with this, if only shadow replaced big the cat

>>376073217
>Best Classic
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
>Best Dreamcast
Sonic Adventure
>Best Modern
Unleashed

>>376092974
Big's sections are nowhere near as bad as people say. I just played the game for the first time recently and his sections were lame but ridiculously short and easy to the extent that I cannot see why anyone had a problem with them.

>>376093487
This. His stages take under a minute and the fishing mechanics are easy as shit to grasp.

>>376092541
They both had their highs and lows. Sonic 2 was probably better but it traded in all the charm of the first game in for edginess. It polished the gameplay a lot though and the chao garden was far superior. Big's levels are criminally underrated

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>>376092541
>>376092724

>>376092541
agreed, 2 took everything and made it worse

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>All this love for Sonic Adventure
Wtf I love /v/ now...

IT DOESN'T MATTER