Persona 5 just as shit as Heavy Rain

What do you expect from otaku pandering trash?

>playing persona for the story

Wew

>playing games for the story
And people say Neogaf doesn't bleed over to /v/.

>>376063601
>playing persona

Wew

>>376063601
This
Literally any other generic shonen anime

>>376063702
I have only completed 1 and 3, Im just saying people play these games for the characters and the friend sim aspect.

>>376063314
oh, don't you know? on neo-/v/ its literally okay when sony does it.

sonygaf isn't just a meme

>>376063314

>I do not know the first thing about foreshadowing and similar story telling elements

Wew lad

No you should have seen it coming after the ham fisted PANCAKES

>>376063314
>Hidden completely

Only if you're a retard who can't pick up on visual cues.

>>376063893
>>376064086
Go and tell me how you could decipher their exact plan until the point where he sits on the smug ass chair

>>376063314
/v/´s goty is zelda
P5 has already been forgotten.

>>376064086
>he could tell the exact plan where the group went to the dungeon without akechi and fake'd the treasure by none existent visual cues'

>>376064263

Within narrative
>Akechi could understand Morgana when he said pancakes. This information was not hidden from the player.
>"The gang's all here"
>Joins at the exact point in the game when the medias res opening occurs.

Meta
>Only character to join without a character reveal trailer
>Last character to join (9th) when JRPG parties usually have an even amount
>DLC costumes are traitors or unexpected enemies from their respective games


The twist wasn't he was the traitor. The twist was everyone knew.

>>376064447

>Persona 5
6-10 simultaneous threads at any given time

Zelda
???

>>376065054
>Meta
>>Only character to join without a character reveal trailer
>>Last character to join (9th) when JRPG parties usually have an even amount
>>DLC costumes are traitors or unexpected enemies from their respective games

don 't forget:
>no PSN theme
>the display at Wal-mart does not have him on it
>no pic inside the steelbook case

>>376065161
wtf I hate persona now

>>376063314
>Heavy Rain's twist requires the player to be outright lied to on multiple occasions
>You were literally in Shelby's story when that store owner was murdered by Shelby
>Ethan's therapist finds oragmi on him that is literally never explained
Fuck that game.

>>376065054
Nigga i'm talking about how you could never have known what your character planned with the group since it was all hidden, shit like this>>376064560 was non existent to you as a player despite your own character experiencing it

Those scenes where they reveal their plan didn't come out of nowhere. You do play through them but they're hazy because Joker is drugged.

>a plot twist is reliant on hiding info from the viewer
Get the fuck out. That's like the most novel thing I've ever heard. Sounds totally different from all those plot twists where everything is explained hours in advance.

>>376065196

The most important one

>isn't in the opening video

>>376065613
>Get the fuck out. That's like the most novel thing I've ever heard.

The textbook novel would drop hints through the series instead of P5 where you literally can't know shit until explained

At least persona 5 had a game attached to it. That makes it 50000% more better than that shit any day.
I wonder when western devs will get it that you can have a story like heavy rain and a enjoyable game to play along side it. No brushing your fucking teeth using a QTE is not a game.

>>376063314
It just wasn't a plot twist, was obvious since the beginning

>>376065850
No need to kid yourself, persona is like 70% visual novel, dungeons are short as fuck, beat it in 2-3 days and you have 20+ days to fuck around social shit and the mementos is pointless shit besides odd quests

>>376065916
>was obvious since the beginning

Yeah i' sure you knew the treasure was a fake from the moment they got it right?

>>376065850

As much as I like to suck Japan's dick when it comes to entertainment medium; western games in general aren't all bad. Heavy Rain however is especially bad mainly because David Cage is a poor writer and has the most stupid videogame design philosophy out there. He thinks videogames shouldn't have any sort of punishment to the player in general; which removes one of the things what makes a game to begin with. That guy shouldn't even write anything since his stories suck

>>376063314
All the information for the twist is revealed prior to the twist, and it's not at all subtle. Shitty thread.

>>376063314
RE7 is GOTY so far

>>376066050
Much surprise
Very astonish

>>376065161
>Persona 5 has 10 waifu threads a day
>Meanwhile, Zelda has 10 threads about how it's a failure and totally sucks, and that nobody should like it

It's pretty clear that Zelda is better.

>>376064263
>BOY I LIKE PANCAKES
>That Akechi sure is a TRAITOR-esq guy, huh?
>I, Akechi, am SUPRISED that this CAT can talk!
>Hey guess what I can REMOTE HACK PHONES, and stare at you through your camera, Joker, please love me
>Hey remember COGNITIVES?
>Yeah I remember COGNITIVES
>COGNITIVES are a thing, right?
>Boy it sure is goofy that this POLICE STATION looks ENTIRELY NORMAL, huh?
>Sure would be a shame if some sort of TRAITOR dragged you off to that POLICE STATION in the METAVERSE which contains CONGITIONS

>>376065850
Not an argument, HR is adventure game like you had point and click games back then.
Just because you don't like the formula doesn't make it automatically bad, it's the same if someone said X game is better because 60 hours out of 80 in P5 is wall of text with repeating the same tasks.

>>376063314
so what was the twist?
"Igor"?

>>376066050
The treasure wasn't fake, they didn't TAKE the treasure. You know how that's obvious? The Palace doesn't break down around you.

>>376066406

By Zelda threads you mean the twink Link threads right? Because that's on the same tier as Zero Suit Samus threads and "Stop bullying me in online games" threads with accompanying cute anime girl image

>>376063314
Its only a surprise if you are a new fag

>>376066601
Turns out he's gay

>>376063601
>Playing Persona for the gameplay

Pathetic.

>>376066932
Now we are talking

>>376063846
This is basically it. I would sooner kill myself than play a game that was just tartarus for 80 hours.

>>376066601
The twist was that they rused akechi

But there was no way you could know how they rused him exactly, like how was you supposed to know they went to the palace in secret?

If you couldn't tell /v/ doesn't like it for it's plot

>>376063314

it's almost like the game is a JRPG whose worth isn't entirely decided by the twist.

>>376067125
The point of a twist is setting it up so you can figure out something is going to happen, not drop literally every fucking piece of the twist in front of you so there is no suprise. It would no longer be a twist. And the game beats you over the head with it's obnoxious forshadowing, which is only coupled with Akechi only kind of not really but kind of hiding the fact that he wants to lynch your scruffy ass.

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>>376063314
>hiding info from the player
If anything you should be complaining about them revealing too much. I figured out Futaba bugged Akechi's phone as soon as I saw her take it out of his hand. And how the fuck did you miss the pancake line?

>>376063846
>playing a game to simulate having friends

This is literally the most pathetic thing I have ever read.

Persona fans, everybody. The loneliest people on the fucking planet.

>>376065514
Because he so fucked up on drugs and adrenaline that he literally couldn't remember the plan.

>>376067260
A plot twist is supposed to make you feel like
>damn how did i miss this

Not this shit where they kept showing you blurry scenes on specific scenes that they were up to something and then later gave a 30-40 min explanation for all those same blurred scenes so then you're just like "oh so that's what happened".

>>376066513
T H I S
H
I
S

>youve been sold out at the very start of the game
>twist
???

>>376065196
But Akechi does have a PSN theme, anon.

>>376067125
>show
>him
>the
>phone

It's literally the first thing you learn in the final day

>>376067846
Yet remember all the shit that happened months ago with Kamoshida ?

How come I can't just use my persona and kill everyone at school?

>>376067915
No again, that's not a plot twist. A plot twist is what I JUST explained to you. That is the reaction you get when you re read / play / watch the plot and go "that piece of forshadowing, shit, that was part of it!" ala HALF THE FUCKING GAME OF PERSONA 5. Seriously I fucking hate the twist because it's way too fucking blatant, so anyone shitposting that it's Heavy Rain tier where the characters straight up lie to you and you never get real proof are fucking stupid.

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>>376063314
>playing Persona for the story
FUCKING FAGGOT

>>376068206
He's being led along by Sae, gradually remembering shit from the start up until recently. That's why he doesn't even know what the psychotic breaks are until Sae explains it to him, he's basically stumbling through his memory. Are you fucking stupid by trade or by nature?

/r/ing that one picture of the persona MCs with their corresponding velvet assistant(s).

>>376068192
I thought there was something on the PSN that everyone but Goro had

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>>376068292

>>376063314
>the "Plot Twist" is reliant on hiding information completely from the player on some Heavy Rain shit and then info dumps it at the end
Holy shit dude, are you retarded?
All of the elements building up to that point were pretty easy to notice if you just paid attention during the normal story.
Hell, you should have figured it out on your own at least by the time the guard's body disintegrated.
It was pretty obvious.

Also Persona 5 had more than fucking cutscenes for gameplay, so that's not a fair comparison by a fucking mile.

>>376066994
Shitter detected

>>376070134
But Persona is SMT with water wings. Playing Persona for the gameplay instead of mainline games makes you the shitter.

>>376070353
>Spam buffs and almighty attacks
>Hard

>>376070353
But there are no new SMTs to play right now, and Persona gets the best production value

>>376070496
It's more difficult that Persona at the very least. This isn't even up for debate.

>>376070496
And that's not Persona? Fusing OP shit is even easier in Persona too

>>376063314
Why did it take you a month to make this thread?

>>376064263
As soon as you told Sae (who's palace consisted of a large group of shadows that looked like perfectly normal people) to show him the phone I knew

>>376070353
Mainline is handheld relegated trash, please keep that out of this thread

>>376067717
slowpoke.jpg

>>376070889
The best versions of the Persona games are the handheld ports, so your point makes no sense.

>>376063601
If people actually play Persona for the story then P2 duology would be the most popular

Persona's appeal is the Slinks

>>376070496
>spam all out attacks

>hard

>>376063314
YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT COMING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwKHxzfmAOY

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It is indeed my goty my friend

>>376065514
You must be retarded to not have expected some degree of unreliable narrator when the game is literally using the interrogation as a framing element.
What's more, you act like the game has been lying to you from the beginning, but anything actually relevant to the """twist""" was just during the Sae palace arc.
The real fault of the game if you want to think of it as a murder mystery is that it's simply too easy to tell Akechi is the traitor. It is insultingly easy, so for you to come here and tell me that the problem is the game hiding information from you can only tel me that you are in fact pretty retarded.
Your comparison with Heavy Rain is also pure bait. That game gives you straight up inconsistent and false information with no reason for it other than the writer fucking up. Persona 5 could have done the same (it didn't) and it wouldn't be out of place because the setting accounts for it.

>>376067609
This
It wasn't hard at all to see all these things and the parts of the plan you don't see is because Joker is drugged as fuck that's why there's the option to sell your friends and fuck up the plan

>>376066513
Akechi says that he recently got the app if I remember correctly, and they know he's lying because of the pancake thing.

>>376066513
>>Sure would be a shame if some sort of TRAITOR dragged you off to that POLICE STATION in the METAVERSE which contains CONGITIONS
Except this isn't what happened. But good try, I guess.

>a video game's plot twist is pancakes
What

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>>376072165
YOUR LAST SURPRISE

>>376071962
I have no idea why you're telling me this, I know

>>376072062
I worded it wrong, but the fact of the matter is the Police Station is very bluntly established to be identical both in and out of the metaverse with all the catlike grace and subtle writing of a brick.

>>376071018
But actually playing P2 is a chore
I know because I'm doing it right now.

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>there are people on /v/ who think persona is played for the plot
>there are people on /v/ who think that the plot is an important part of any story

>>376072346
Is it true in English only the second half came out on the playstation and the first half one the PSP?

>>376072597
Yes.
I think there is also fan translation of PS1 version of Innocent Sin.

>>376072597
Unfortunately, yes.

There's a fan translation of Eternal Punishment PSP at the moment though. Translator says that a 2017 is possible, though I'd say you should expect a late 2018 release by that wording.

>>376072971
If there already is an english script, it can't take THAT long to implement, right?

>>376072558
The plot wasn't amazing by any means, but it wasn't guilty of any of the things which OP accused it of.

>>376073051
Translator is apparently working on other things as well. Eternal Punishment is a low priority project since it was dumped onto them by TradukoSoft.

So during the time when Joker was ambushed, I still don't get it, is that the real world or still in Sae's palace? The police force obviously wasn't in the palace, so that means they apprehended Joker when he got out of the metaverse, but why does he still have his costume?

How is P5 even close to Shelby literally lying to himself in his own inner thoughts.

>>376073192
>The police force obviously wasn't in the palace

You're told the exact opposite. They were brought into the metaverse to arrest him.

So you prefer that the game tells you the plot twist at the very beginning with no subtlety at all? Aren't plot twists supposed to be hard to read in advance?

>>376073192
The police were in the Metaverse thanks to... Akechi? I can't remember the details, but it is absolutely still inside the Metaverse. Remember that Ryuji and MC accidentally brought Ann with them to Kamoshida's Palace? It's the same idea.

>>376073307
>>376073368

And the police wasnt suspicious or fazed that theyre in a different dimension because?

>>376073515
They used to play Persona when they were in high school.

>>376073515
Remember that you can't tell you've entered the Metaverse if there's minimal distortion. It's why Pancakeman couldn't tell that he was rused.

>>376070496
>using almighty in SMT

>>376063314
>the "Plot Twist" is reliant on hiding information completely from the player on some Heavy Rain shit and then info dumps it at the end

Sounds pretty complex.

>>376073515
This >>376073693
also, they were had by the balls, if any of them talked shido would've had their heads

>>376073693

Makes sense

>>376073737
FREIKUGEL BITCH

>>376073693
The same happens when they get to Kamoshida's palace

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It's fair to say that the character interactions are a big draw for me. I also love the character, persona, and palace designs.

There's only a couple things they don't tell you, and anyone smart enough is rolling their eyes when the game literally has to walk you through pretty much everything you figured out beforehand.

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>>376073801
The metaverse is just off camera

>>376074075
>and anyone smart enough is rolling their eyes when the game literally has to walk you through pretty much everything you figured out beforehand.
Not OP, apparently.

>>376073354
>Aren't plot twists supposed to be hard to read in advance?

P5 sure wasn't

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>>376074092
do you have the pic? with the dog and then hundreds of deltas around?

never got around to saving that to my ZE meme folder

>>376073354
It's called foreshadowing. Also the "twist" isn't the whole fucking story of the game and it has plenty of surprises, big and small outside of it.

There are rare examples of truly good stories build around surprise twists.

>>376074007
Almighty tied to physical. Using STR as a modifier. Skills like megio are shit.

>>376074423
Unfortunately no

>>376063314
>this is /v/'s GOTY

That's not Nier Automata

>>376063314
Play mainline if you want a real game, Persona is just a visual novel with RPG elements.

And not even a good VN like Zero Escape or Steins;Gate 0.

>>376076003
>salty SMTfags

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>>376076003
Fuck you i like mainline, persona, zero scape and steins gate i'm the real winner here

>>376067717
Fuck off dude. Quit making fun of people for liking a video game on a video game board.

>>376063314
That's not even the issue with Heavy Rain, the problem there is that it makes some previous situations plain nonsensical when you add the hidden info, and the character's "motivations" are fucking retarded.

>>376076003
>Steins;Gate 0
Pffftt hahahaha

>>376076106
>liking more than one thing
Stop.

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>>376078704
I-i'm sorry

>>376068385
There's no PSN theme for Ann for some reason

>>376065850
Heavy Rain had a QTE sex scene. That's all I ever wanted

>>376070597
Nocturne was honestly a lot easier than Persona 3 for me, granted P3 was my first MegaTen. The only times I had problems in Nocturne was during bosses that directly countered my set (Girimelkaha)

>>376065514
You mean the sections of the game where it's clear you and your team is talking about something in black and white?

Even if they don't reveal the details of the conversation until after the twist, it's clear what is going on.

>>376067260
>>376068252
You keep saying that it's obvious there was a twist, which no one is debating. The problem is that you have no way to tell what the plan is. The game offers absolutely nothing to allow the player to tell that they went back to the palace and set up a fake cognitive MC for Akechi to find and kill, because all of the scenes regarding this plan are hidden. There's clear foreshadowing that there's something going on, but there's no foreshadowing of what is going on.

>TFW smart enough to understand Persona 5 story unlike half of /v/

>>376081093
People don't call each other autistic as a joke.

>>376081093
>tfw steel dumb enough to play that shit

>>376080853
They don't have to set it up, because a Cognition is straight up said MORE than once to be how a palace owner views someone. Sae views you as, suprise suprise, someone imprisoned within the police station. Akechi comes around, suprise suprise, you're in the holding cell. There is clear forshadowing, you just have to not be retarded.

>>376082479
>you just have to not be retarded.
You know this asking too much of /v/