so I finally got to ending E of Nier: Automata today. I wanna

I agreed with your thoughts on 2B, but after figuring out why she acts so emotionless, it sort of goes with the saying "the ends justify the means"

>>376062382
Reminder that yoko taro will direct ffxvi

>>376062452
no, I really like 2B and the story.

The only faults I have with the game are all gameplay related.

>>376062382
it's literally one of the best RPGs of the last 10 years
kill yourself

>>376062586
Why do people like 2B so much
She's pretty boring besides her ass and design

>>376062382
You never played any Drakengard games or even the first Nier, your opinion is objectively most wrong and people shouldn't listen to it.

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>>376062940
>>376062742
>call a game above average
>"kill yourself faggot"

>>376062940
>you didn't power your way through mediocre games so that Automata seems amazing in comparison!
>nobody should listen to you.

>>376062382
>most unique games I've ever played,
You've never played asteroids before?

>>376062742
How is this an RPG at all. I swear people just call it an RPG to excuse the combat. But if you criticize the shallow rpg elements theyll change their mind and say its not one after all.

>>376063230
>excuse the combat

I have hundreds of hours in the Devil May Cry games and I love this game's combat, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I agree that it really didn't need to be an RPG though. Honestly if certain upgrade systems were left in the game and leveling was taken out entirely the game would be better off.

>>376063083
>7/10
>above average
kys shitlord

>>376062382
Waifu bait with above average story and gameplay. Weeaboos are so easily exploited.

>>376063416
>Overall, on a scale from 1-10 where 5 is average, I would give it a solid 7.
>Overall, on a scale from 1-10 where 5 is average
>on a scale from 1-10 where 5 is average
>where 5 is average
>5 is average


Can you even read you illiterate fucking peasant?

I'm going to choke your dick with my asshole faggot.

>>376063083
For people who only played Automata 7/10 would be their opinion of the game.
For people who played NieR it is unquestionably a 9/10 or higher.
That's just how it is.

Drakengard has a connection to NieR as the End of the Dragon Sphere ending leads into NieR but has practically nothing to do with Automata.

>>376063416
Just admit you have a reading comprehension problem retard.

which is more overrated nier or witcher 3

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At least in the second playthrough as 9S you get to experience the other side of events when you're separated.

Also A2 a cute. CUTE!

>>376063661
I literally played Nier Automata right after finishing the Witcher 3 DLC and I'm gonna say NieR

but I think that's a matter of personal taste since I actually think Witcher 3 is a 10/10 experience and I love open ended RPGs

automata feels more like a really really good Devil May Cry 3 spin-off from 2007 that I've never heard of until now.

>>376063887
>literally
>thinks witcher 3 is 10/10
that's enough reason to know his opinions are garbage

>>376064090
oh yeah well fuck u fag

>>376062940
I've played the first drakengard and I can honestly say that nobody should force themselves through that mess. it's not a good game

I didn't play the first nier tho

I like that now that nier has become popular there's a bunch of faggots suddenly claiming that drakengard and nier 1 were so much better and always felt this way.

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>>376062827
>Why do people like 2B so much
I don't like her that much alone but i absolutely adore her together with 9S, especially after side materials.
2B is yamato nadeshiko, a strong girl who will silently suffer near the object of her affection and share the fate with him.
9S is her personal Kamina, the one who gives her strength to live and always motivates, supports and protects her, going as far as stopping her suicide and asking her to carry her mission properly so they can be together in one way or the other.

>>376063546
>>376063637
>scale from 1-10
>5 is average
that's not how video game scores work retards

>>376064456

Nobody says Drakengard was fun.

Nier 1 is lame on gameplay but excellent everywhere else.

>>376062498
I honestly can't even imagine what madman could do with FF.
Even with lighter, Nier-like style of storytelling and a positive ending he can make an unimaginable feels ride while utilizing all classic FF elements in a different light. Maybe go as far as mixing elements from different FF eras for larger gameplay variety Evoland-style.

>>376064554
>changing your original, correct interpretation of how 1-10 works (5 being average), to the video game journalist 9/10 it was okay mindset because you're so easily persuadable
Bahahaha. This thread has been fun. Peace bro.

>>376065305
>giving your personal video game score
>don't use the widely accepted one
>use the one you made up yourself and expecting people to change their mindset for you
literally hang yourself

>>376064456
its contrarian /v/ faggots, have literally done that as soon as every game gets mainstream popularity.

>>376065474
stfu fag

I loved Nier and Automata, doens't mean you have to be an insufferable snowflake for it.

I had my friends play it and they sort of described it too, that a lot was missing if you couldn't appreciate the original Nier, but the game is still pretty far from average.

>>376062382
2B is sexy but in terms of personality she's the most boring protagonist in the Nier/Drakengardverse. Even Drakengard 2's faggot was better. 9S plays like hot garbage why did they fuck up the gameplay for half the game

>>376064543
>9S is her personal Kamina
I don't like this comparison. 9S is kinda too bland and 2B never becomes over the top like Simon

>>376065659
shut up it's literally perfect

I still can't defeat Eve on ending A cause I suck. Help, v

>>376062382

I like playing as 9S, he is pretty overpowered too.

>There's also a lot of shitty mechanics

Wow I'm convinced.

I'll agree on the difficulty, not the rest. Any faggot that says "sidequests are meh" should be ready to name a game where sidequests are good.

>>376065778
It is, and you're tainting it by rubbing your dick all over it. Fuck off

Nier > Automata
The shit with the shades was better then the fucking nothing the machines ended up being. The twins were lame and the bosses were all around less interesting then Niers

>>376065820
if you ask me constantly interrupting combat to play a mini game is a shitty mechanic

>>376065912

You don't HAVE to use hacking, he is overpowered without it too.

>>376065820
Because the hacking minigame was mediocre and used way too much.

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>>376062382
Crack when?

>>376065820
>name a game where sidequests are good
Witcher 3

For real though a lot of games treat sidequests as something that's as good as the main quest but just not connected to the main story significantly, but for NieR they're not as good as the main quest at all. They're not unbearable but they're not great.

>>376065948
>this shitty mechanic is in the game and you are encouraged to use it but don't have to

still makes it a shitty mechanic.

>>376065948
But it's the most efficient way of dealing with encounters on hard

>>376062382

>There's also a lot of shitty mechanics, and the difficulty is terribly balanced where Normal feels too easy and on anything above that you get one-shot constantly.
>still getting one-shot after getting Ending A

You need better chips, m8.

>>376062382
I agree. A lot of stuff was amazing and truly was great to see in a vidya but a lot of short comings truly make this a 7/10 which isnt bad at all. Like thats a fantastic score. But there were times where i was pissed off with some design choices and the overworld. And when i beat it i didnt wanna play more unlike for example with shovel knight or super mario world

>>376066012
Newest 64 bit Denuvo got cracked, so soon
Lowkey, kinda glad people are asking for cracks of this game, you know it's making waves then

>>376066160

This, beating the hidden golden rabbit boss is retardedly easy with hacking. Got up to level 99 in like 20 minutes from when I first started grinding at like the mid 60s.

>>376066204
I'd buy it if I weren't poor

reminder 7/10 means average

>>376065975

So is that it?
You didn't like the minigame and now all the gameplay mechanics are ruined?
Aside from the few golden enemies, and opening shit/like 10~ ish story moments where you have to use it, it can be practically ignored.

>>376066045

Most games, have sidequests literally on the same depth as Automata, no game has been creative about their sidequests in years, certainly not TW3.
Taro uses it to complement the main story since its one about uncovering something that is hidden in plain sight, its certainly not a big enough game where sidequests would be doing something vastly different.

>>376066160

So you choose to play on Hard - but you don't want to be challenged so cheese it all with hacking, and somehow this makes the game bad?

>>376066301
It's alright, we understand.

>>376066045
>Main quests are better then side quests
What? Why?

>>376066045
GTA V sidequests were sometimes fun. The strangers and freaks bits were sometimes hilarious, more for the cutscenes though, usually.

>>376066327
That's implying the combat is difficult. It's just tedious. so I can choose to be bored longer, or I can choose to play a boring minigame. both choices suck

also
>hurr if its too easy just invent rules
That's the game developers job, not mine.

>>376066204

God I can't wait for the
>Ending E is such bullshit what the fuck did people like about this stupid impossible bullet hell reeeee
because they'll be offline and without help for it.

>>376066327
>You didn't like the minigame and now all the gameplay mechanics are ruined?

I said SOME shitty mechanics, jesus christ take off your fanboy goggles and accept that things you like can have problems.

Hacking isn't the only shitty mechanic. No checkpoints in a game where you can get one shot is shitty, losing all your chips when you die is shitty and makes it literally better to just reload your save.

Also I still think the game is good, just not a perfect 10/10 like a lot of people are saying.

I don't know why every autistic faggot on /v/ feels the need to strawman the fuck out of everyone during every argument and constantly misrepresent things like you are.

>>376066327
>You didn't like the minigame and now all the gameplay mechanics are ruined?
No. Can you read?

>Aside from the few golden enemies, and opening shit/like 10~ ish story moments where you have to use it, it can be practically ignored.

It's gotta be way more then 10. And that's not counting using it in combat. And before you say you don't have to, 9s is on a whole new level of trash and boring without it

>>376062382
The game seriously would've benefited from just removing the leveling. It only leads to weird overleveled/underleveled moments that makes the game's awkward difficulty even more strange.

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>>376066450

>because they'll be offline

dis gon b gud

>>376066436
Oh so its now not the minigame and 9S, its all combat being shit.

>>376065882
i rub my dick on my wife whenever i want you cuntwad

>>376062382
And what are the game's stenghts?

>Great animation work
>Masterfully crafted fapbait
>Good soundtrack

As far as gameplay, level design and plot there is nothing to care about. Even art design if you count out the fapbait.

>>376066573
Is there a problem with that? Just because I pointed out a single issue doesn't mean its the only one. And its still related because it's the reason you hack so much in the first place.

>>376066538

>No checkpoints in a game where you can get one shot is shitty

Only a problem in the prologue of route A and, to a much lesser extent, route B. Progress lost elsewhere isn't a huge deal unless you're really shit at video games and the game does feature checkpoints before the other bosses. You sure you played the game, man?

>>376066450
Oh fuck I just remembered this lol

Easy way to spot the pirates, or the tuhu secondaries

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>>376066559
>>376066450
>mfw I just realized this game actually has one of the best anti-piracy measures of all time.

can't wait to see this

>>376066327
>certainly not TW3
Did you play TW3? They were pretty good and even I suck Taro's Nier cock in this thread.

The only thing that irritates me is the fact that there are bounding collision boxes everywhere. Literally everywhere.
Open-air collision boxes should be made illegal.

>>376066778
>mfw I just realized this game actually has one of the best anti-piracy measures of all time.

ya being a SHIT GAME, amirite boys

if piratefags can complete ending E, they get a pass for pirating it in my book

>>376066573
It's no DMC or Bayo. It's not even a MGR. MGR had a better story

>>376066670
aside from that

really good combat
varied gameplay that is actually fun (mostly)
incredible story
good voice acting even in the english dub (although in the english dub 9S's VA is so much better than the other VAs it really stands out)
unique setting and atmosphere

>>376066869

Either way, it'll be a hell of a show.

>>376063661
Nier by a landslide

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>>376062382
Automata does indeed have quite a few flaws and if I were to objectively rate it I would give it a 7 or 8 out of ten, but for some reason I absolutely love it despite that and subjectively it's a 10/10 for me.

>>376066913
NieR has better story telling methods though, and should become the golden standard for video games anyway

>>376066539

Can I read?
Can you? Can you attempt to read your post where the only thing you bring up is 9S' minigame?
Its hardly more than that, and most of the story hacking segments are actually all new minigames so its not even the repetitive samey ones.
Its not "before" I say it, I already did, and 9S is overpowered even with 0 hacking in combat, you just didn't even attempt to learn to use him.

Even just spamming spear-throw clears things out faster than mashing buttons with the girls.

>>376066698

Yes there is. If you only bring up one point - atleast make it the bigger one, not a minor one that is apparently only bad because of the bigger one. Are you retarded? Did I actually have to spell this out?

>>376066831

I have 300 hours in it, its a great game but its on a whole different scope compared to Automata, even with its "cheap" slavic budget it cost way more, and most sidequests are still simple
>use witcher sight
>theres loot/fight at the end after a bit of convo

>>376067003
A2 deserved more then she got.

>>376067032
like what, playing though the same 10+ hours of gameplay twice? no thanks

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BBBBRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPP

>>376067047
Ok yes it is presented in a really cool manner. I just wish it was more meaningful and the plot amounted to more then just nothing

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Watched today's Automata concert and shit was almost as hype as ending E itself when 9S' voice actor showed up in act 5 despite concert script stating that he won't be a part of the performance then Okabe singing Weight of the World.

The game has flaws but holy fuck did it deliver a perfect end for main duo. Twice.

>>376067103
Nier changed the entire context of the story in playthrough 2. Drakengards 1 and 3 went in totally crazy directions. Automata did barely fucking anything with their 5 endings

>>376067047
Well yeah, I'll conciede the gameplay was bland in that department for sure, what was cool though is that each side quest at least had an interesting hook and self contained arc, even better when it affected the main quest.

>>376066925
>really good combat

I just told you there is nothing there in gameplay to care about. The combat in this game is button mashing garbage, it's bad even by Platinum standards.

>varied gameplay that is actually fun

The fuck? Are you counting that hacking trash? The perspective changes were nice but I'd hardly call that varied. Action games don't need varied gameplay to begin with

>incredible story

Fucking lol

>good voice acting even in the english dub (although in the english dub 9S's VA is so much better than the other VAs it really stands out)

Average

>unique setting and atmosphere

This is literally one of the least atmospheric games i have played

So why do people hate the hacking minigame so much? I get that it being a Platinum game leads people to expect primarily third person combat but, and I never played the original Nier so correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this an action RPG series that mixes in bullet hell elements as a thing? So why are people mad that a sequel to a game with bullet hell elements implement a top down shooter minigame as a mechanic? Makes sense to me and I didn't even play the first game.

>>376067198
meant for
>>376067032

>>376066857
>I just told you there is nothing there in gameplay to care about. The combat in this game is button mashing garbage, it's bad even by Platinum standards.

yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion man.

>>376067348
Because the flight unit sections were the hacking minigames but not shit and boring. They also didn't overstay their welcome.

>>376067003
At least you recognize your own bias, which is unfortunate that more people do not.

>>376067348
I actually like it. But there's not much incentive to do it given how ridiculously fucking overpowered 9S is. He can kill most bosses in 3 hacks which skips majority of their monologues and outside of hacking his moveset has such crazy powerful moves he removes any semblance of challenge from any difficulty because you can chunk spears from one side of the area to another and kill everything.

>>376067198
No doubt, I get it that Taro is trying to convey nihlistic views but often times the game gets by on using it as a crutch far too often.

>>376067324
Look friend, just because you beat the game using the same xxxxx string over and over again doesn't mean everyone else did.

>>376067103
I thought the Simone boss battle was handled excellently, really wished every boss had that much story detail, but then again I get that not every game wants to be this narriative heavy.

9S comments at the end really drive it home too.

>>376067047
please I was just giving an example of a single issue as a counterpoint to you implying there arent a lot:
>There's also a lot of shitty mechanics
>Wow I'm convinced.

We were never in a conversation about anything else so you demanding I provide a larger argument is just deflecting.

>>376067498
Oh I agree. My problem is that despite the nihilistic settings the characters in previous games cared about things. They were passionate, they suffered and they believed in shit enough to fight. The only thing 2b and 9s cared about is each other and that was spelled out in the first level. It never really developed and got predictable and boring. Papa Nier and Zero had a lot of cool moments with multiple people. Even Caim did more with Angelus

>>376067660
Simone and that first Goliath were the only good boss battles

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>>376067525
>he actually thinks this game has good combat

My fucking sides.

I even said that the game has amazing animations. The fact that you can do combos does not change the fact that there is literally no mechanics in place to make you care, it's all smoke and mirrors, it's as fucking shallow as a puddle.

>>376067736
Agreed wish we could get more development between 9s and 2b than just the banter. Feels like at the end he's suddenly trying to create all this invisible development between the two that never happened yet they seem to have a lot of good chemistry that's wasted.

>>376067809
Yes

I don't know how they could make human sized enemies so fucking bland again after MGR

>>376067324
>I hate videogames and love shitposting: the bait
I can already see your next reply.

>>376067841
>The game doesn't make me explore the combat so therefore it is shit

>>376067997
>No arguments
>Muh shitpost bwaaaah

Get your underage buttblast checked out faggot

>>376068108
I have to admit I did not.

>>376068108
Blue board.

>>376068160
This is the one I was expecting. Shit goes like this:
>I like videogame because x
x is shit
>dude why
u so dumb
>fuck off
nice arguments

>>376068108
woah... so this is brap poster's final form... quite pungent my dear

>>376068065
THERE IS NOTHING TO EXPLORE YOU RETARD

Was it your first action game that you were blown away by the fact that it had a combo list (which it didn't...)? Fucking hell

>>376067525

>if you deliberately use less effective combos the combat is fun.

Nah, nigga, you don't need to defend this. The game is fine despite its shitty combat.

>>376068450
>THERE IS NOTHING TO EXPLORE YOU RETARD
Damn it must suck being this unimaginative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSmdnOHq3Ro

>>376068773
If you use that argument Bayonetta is a 3/10 shit action game because pkp offset makes the game trivial.

>>376068802
>There is a lot to explore, just use the power of imagination!

Wow! I didnt even realize this, now I don't even have to play games to enjoy them!

>>376068930
Bayonetta has an incentive to do more because your upgrade currency is directly related to how sick your combos are.

WHENS CPY?

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>>376069053
Cracking mass effect andomeda: a much better game

>>376068930
>If you use that argument Bayonetta is a 3/10 shit action game

Wait, you actually think it isn't?

Jesus...

Not a 3 but a 5 or 6 at best

>>376063661
I played through the entire Nier/ drakengard series and the entire witcher franchise.
Honestly? Automata is more overrated. It's an 8/10 game. The story is nice, but it's rather straight forward, there wasn't any real twist in it. Not like Nier did anyway.
Still good, still fun, still worth playing.
Witcher 3 deserves the praise it gets. It's one of those games where you can feel the love and attention to detail in even the traditionally more mundane activities. The only issue off the top of my head O have with the game is that the wild hunt villains aren't as fleshed out in game as they should have been. Of course eredin is a great character if you've read the books but that doesn't really come across in game. Witcher before dlc is 9/10 after dlc is a genuine 10/10 experience.
Though everyone should still buy both games and play both games.

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>>376069053
2020 maybe.

I suspect most people that say they hated playing as 9S didn't utilize his launcher and air moveset, the dude is a madman off the ground. By the end of the game I started to enjoy playing as 9S the most.

>>376069156
This girl was so fucking pointless. And she was supposed to be the main villain?

>>376068930

>pkp
>most effective way to get a high rank

???

>>376062382
Does she have tasty pee?

That fucking DLC.
>people bitch about how the game is too easy because you get overleveled
>they add items which lower your level
>to get the items you need to beat an insanely hard arena where pretty much everything 1shots you, since they're level 130
>you also fight multiple bosses at once
>no checkpoints
>no consumables

>>376068937
>>376068773
The game is easy as fuck and you don't need to chain anything but you can still pull off fancy shit just to have fun. I must admit would've liked the combat to be as challenging as Bayonetta or DmC on higher difficulties.

>>376067219
Link?

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>>376068802
>posts a video of someone comboing an inanimate potato sack

I mean, i know I'm basically talking to a shit smeared brick wall here but it's still jarring to see it unfold

>>376069517

I didn't even bother with that. I did the rest of the DLC then finished off ending E. Fun game, 8/10, probably will be my GOTY alongside Gravity Rush 2.

>>376069250
It's just a personification/visualization of the machine network.

>>376069808
The machine network is faggots

>>376069250
N2 and Number 9 are the masterminds behind all events of the game.

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>>376069517
>people paid yoko "i'd make anything for money" taro 15 united states dollars for 3 costumes and 3 bland arena fights.

>>376069740
as opposed to... this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8gLKaRMz0

>>376069878
literally who

>>376066327
>wah wah, why are you using the options that the game gives you, wah!

any game where you have to put self imposed rules or restrict yourself to get difficulty from that is not a kids game simply has bad difficulty balance issues.

>>376069872

Well yeah, that's why some machines disconnected from it.

>>376069946
>Combo videos

But like, is that a rhetorical question or are you seriously that fucking ignorant?

>>376069141
To be fair it's not like the main TW3 story has some sort of interesting twist. I mean I could see the Ciri is safe and takes up the Witcher trade ending coming before I even started the game, it's insanely predictable.

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>>376070128
>muh ninja gaiden combat is deep
There's a reason your series is dead

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>>376070219

>>376068802
>implying any enemy has enough health in the overworld to do this shit at level 99
It's creative, not practical though.

>>376062382
this game is literally our generations undertale

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>>376070219

bouncy

>>376070358
>he's just gonna plug his ears and go LALALALALA

Fucking lol, alright then

>>376070387
>level 99

Hell you can 1 shot almost everything around level 30.

>>376070436
Is this game being memed by tumblr or something? Would explain all the awful art.

>>376070437
It's pretty easy to do that when all your arguments are
>lol shit game

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>>376069156
was this an Aphex Twin reference

>>376070541
You can stop replying now underage, you can't embarrass yourself any more without resorting to pictures

>>376070436
>twerk nigger shit
Cringe

>>376070525
Yeah, especially those level 65 enemies, absolutely

>>376070436
>>376070436
>>376070436
fucking tumblr meme game

>>376070436
Her ass isn't that big

>>376070530
It's popular and for Weebs, the art will have quantity over quality.

Just means we get more 2b ass, shame there isn't enough translated doujins though

>>376070716
le cringe xD!

>>376070694
Whatever you say, bucko. Go back to your series.

>>376070159
You are correct. However, while the ending had no twist you had a journey filled with unexpected moments and you had 3-4 different endings based on your choices. So the lack of big twist at the end isn't really a big deal. Still the lack of it and eredin is why I give the base game 9/10
B&W and hearts of stone did have some nice twists in the story which bumps it up to 10/10

>>376070757
I was going to argue this, but idk if the caves outside of Emil's place could count as overworld. or the Route C enemies would, you should be higher than 20 by then anyway.

>>376070436
go shill your pateron somewhere else

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When's her 2B cosplay?

>>376070997

>you should be higher than 20 by then anyway

Did you just not do sidequests? I was like level 40 by the time I finished route A.

>>376071234

Wait, I misread that as "SHOULD YOU be higher than 20 by then anyway". Ignore me, I apparently have a form of minor dyslexia.

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>>376070895
>no commander porn
>no operator porn
>no A2 porn
>no N2 porn

I can't be the only one who's getting real sick of seeing 2B everywhere.

>>376070219
E for Everyone Dies

>>376070757
Almost everything, ya dingus. If you're talking about those gold enemies, they're just trivialized by hacking. Even without it, then you can merely spend 30 minutes beating on their skulls while evading the same boring attack as normal enemies.

>>376062382
I literally agree with everything you posted.

>>376071234
I was about 40 too, not every normie is going to want to do the sidequests of an obscure JRPG though so I just spitballed a minimum

>>376071346
>Commander literally has the perfect body of a goddess, immaculate and that no woman in real life will ever have
>Hips that you could just grab onto and breed
>Whip
>still no good porn
same 2Bh family

>>376071515

Even the part about getting one-shot on hard past route A?

>>376071560
He's right though.
Simone literally kept oneshotting me on hard.

>>376070978
HoS yeah, I agree the story was good and very well done, definitely the best in TW3, though it's "just" a retelling of the Polish version of the Faustian legend it was done very well and they made it fit in the game's universe perfectly. B&W was good, I fucking loved Regis, but I didn't find its story that amazingly impressive. I'd say only HoS can really compete with Automata as far as the story and themes go.

>>376070997
I don't see why you wouldn't count it, it's a great little area, I really liked it the first time I explored it. The atmosphere and that music were amazing. In any case you won't be oneshotting anything in there at level 30. I haven't hacked anything 35 levels above me, but I imagine not even hacking would oneshot them at that point, especially the elite enemies.

>>376071431
There are entire areas filled with 60-65 elite enemies, you'll barely scratch them if you're level 30.

>>376071538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXIQxT1oML4
>Your hips will never be crushed under the commander's weight
>You'll never experience the commander's stern, yet comforting android warmth

>>376071927
>I'd say only HoS can compete with Automata as far as story themes go
Disagree, I would say the witcher already blew past automata after the bloody baron. But I digress. In the end whichever one is 'better' is going to be subjective. I'm sure we can at least both agree that both games are worth a purchase and a full playthrough

>>376071789

On route B, though? By then you should have at least half-decent defense, auto-heal, auto-use item, and/or anti-chain damage chips, and if not then a decent HP buff should do the trick. Point being, once you can take one hit without dying it's pretty easy to bounce back from it thanks to the chip system. Route A doesn't let you explore it very well for probably its first half but once you get some momentum with it going even hard is fairly easy.

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Why did half of the machines in Pascal's village go berserk? They were all disconnected from the network

And what drove thousands of machines and tanks to hunt them down at the abandoned factory?

And what does YoRHa mean?

>>376072910
The machine network did it just to see what would happen XD

>>376072910
Pascal and his village were an experiment. Every machine disconnected fromt he network was, except maybe Masamune.

>>376065820
witcher 3's 'follow the trail' side quests are above and beyond the same old shitty fetch quests and delivery quests that plagued the first nier

>>376072910
The network manufactures oddities like Pascal and the villagers to try different evolutions. They probably weren't disconnected from the network by choice more so that the network allowed them to be disconnected until it maybe recalled them.

>>376073109
>>376073248
Huh, I don't remember that. Makes sense but when is it explained?

>>376072910

Every day until you like it.

>>376073313
in the n2 file after you beat the game
the machine network actually created all the weird groups like pascals

>>376073458
Okay, I'm just illiterate then

>>376073313
It's in the records/notes, the pause menu section with story stuff devs drop because they know nobody with a sane mind will read it.

But I'm too obsessed with the game to care.

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threadly reminder the first game is better

>>376073895
Nothing in first game is even remotely comparable to the crazy infatuation between 2B/9S.

>>376072481
Yeah, I put like 325h in TW3 and I'd say it's overall a better game than Automata, just not in terms of story (HoS excluded). Both the main campaign and B&W were good and I definitely enjoyed them, but it didn't seem to me like either did anything special or interesting, neither from a storytelling perspective nor from a thematic one. They were well executed fantasy tales in a well-executed fantasy world to me but not much beyond that, whereas Automata is much more interesting in terms of themes (existentialism/meaning of humanity/religion) but also has a fairly novel approach to storytelling and characterization. That's why I enjoyed it more.

>>376073313
It's not outright and directly stated in relation to Pascal, but it does say that the network basically decided to branch off in multiple directions and all the odd machines are a result of that.

As for being disconnected from the network or not, it's possible that they weren't truly and completely disconnected, but it's also possible that they were simply hacked and infected with a logic virus or something. No reason for the latter to be impossible or implausible, we already know machines already use that avenue of attack frequently against androids.

>>376074427
Understandable. I enjoyed the story of the witcher more because I have a bias towards choice based games and I had a lot of fun with the moral dilemmas presented to you in the game. Since in most scenarios there isn't really a correct choice, it's an attempt to find the lesser evil in the situation. I appreciated that.
In terms of gameplay, I had a lot more fun with automatas action combat and there's something /comfy/ and endearing about the relationship between toobs and nines. I also quite liked the weapon story tidbits. They both had absolutely beautiful soundtracks. I listen to both regularly.

Automata's story is the most touching story I have ever experienced
It would be extremely unjust to call it a 7 just because of a handful of flaws like unbalanced difficulty or somewhat repetitive enemies, those are not dealbreakers that seriously impact the experience

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tfw didn't get to see the live concert

>>376075129
>Automata's story is the most touching story I have ever experienced
what's it like being a 9 year old in 2017?

>>376075183
you tell me

>>376073895
Yes
>>376074006
You mean the lukewarm romance and no chemistry between 9s and 2B? The only thing they have going for them is their designs

>>376074006
How can someone be this delusional? 2B/9S is the most forced shit in the game, the fact that it needs a fuck load of side material to properly flesh out is abysmal. I literally did not give a fuck about 2B at any point of the game, quite literally a noncharacter. Quite literally zero chemistry between the two, 2B rarely says anything longer than a sentence in her conversations with 9S.

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>>376071070
>implying she would don the leotard

You will prolly wear that shitty dress just like everyone else.

>>376075389
b-b-b-but [tragic backstory explanation here]

>>376069808
But why is it a little girl of all things?

>>376075389
One thing I hate about 2B was her " muh emotions are prohibited " phrase. Next scene, she clearly showed the emotions. It broke the foreshadowing and the mystery of her true personality and attitude.

>>376075817
aniiiiiiiiiimmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>376075828
It may as well be true. She doesn't really give a shit about anything that's not 9S in trouble

>>376075817
Because Manah reference.

>>376063661
NieR Automata.

t. a NieR fag.
To me it's a 7.5-8/10
I like the first one more honestly. Though will admit that the female androids are gorgeous.
Played a bit of the Witcher 3, it seems pretty good. Haven't played enough to judge it as a whole though it did hook me into the story for a good 6 hours.

>>376067184
Shouldn't it be like
ZHAAAAAAAAAAAAAATZ or something?

>>376075817
because it is logical of course
if you could be anything, why would you be anything but a little girl?

>>376076071
The machine network is so stupid killing off Yorha instead of making them sex slaves

>>376076220
>Make sex slaves
Damn anon, I cannot handle 2Bs and Commanders all the times

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>>376075389
>I literally did not give a fuck about 2B at any point of the game
I find Automata very strange because I was the exact same way with 2B, 9S and A2. At the end of the game I felt nothing for them because there was no emotional attachment so I just enjoyed the thematic side of the game. Then for some reason I decided to play it again and to my surprise I suddenly cared about them and all of the emotional moments that I missed the first time hit me really hard.

I feel really conflicted about this though as playing the game again made me absolutely love it, but it upsets me that I had to do it twice to get the characterisation that should have been there the first time.

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>>376076220
Machines = beta af?

But that's just a THEEEEEEROY

>>376074739
I liked that ambiguity in TW3 as well, though I was a bit disappointed they didn't do any huge branch like in TW2, but it couldn't really have worked in a fully open world. The combat in Automata is definitely better, yeah, though I enjoyed finding a broken build and destroying everything on Death March as well.
>They both had absolutely beautiful soundtracks
Yeah, among my favorites along with the original Nier. This still brings me back immediately to TW3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NknjE2SBPxw

>>376075389
Did you blast through the game without paying attention at all or something? Even if you didn't catch the hints of romantic feelings it should have been plainly obvious that 9S is important to her even from the actual prologue.
>doesn't give a single shit about her squadmates being annihilated around her
>immediately gets emotional when 9S pops up
I guess the game doesn't absolutely slap you in the face with it at all times but it's not exactly carefully hidden subtext either.

>>376076397
Imagine being covered in 2Bs, OPerators, Commanders and a whole world of Yorha waifus you never even imagined. Can you handle it?

>>376076661
Not at all.

Though in Automata's timeline I'd probably be dead thanks to Papa Nier and Co.

>>376076661
Weekday, one or two. Weekend, all ? Yeah, i can handle it

>>376076575
No, it was very obvious that he was important to her. The problem was was that their "romance" boils down to them autistically shreiking whenever the other gets hurt. No banter, no conversations, nothing.

>>376076575
My favorite songs from both games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMrgIvlAOiU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOlPwt5ZtB8

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>>376075173
>tfw didn't get to see the live concert
Very surprised it hasn't been uploaded somewhere yet. Heard it was really good too.

>finally desert area
>then desert theme starts playing
Goddammit. Can I change to something else ?

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>>376077115
I liked the desert song. I don't get why so many people complain about it.

>>376076220
The network probably had a fight with itself over this.

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>>376076170
Good point.

>>376076889
>No banter, no conversations, nothing.
What banter did you expect when as far as 2B was concerned 9S didn't have any memory of her and she was barely keeping it together anyway, while 9S couldn't say shit even if he did remember because it would get him executed. The romantic feelings were obvious in the Amnesia sidequest too. That one has a lot of foreshadowing too.

>>376076967
Automata really did have great combat/action tracks especially.

>>376075817
Taro probably wanted to put a Manah reference in-game just because.

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>tfw I took the nier: autoautists words for granted and expected a crazy psychological experience crafted into good gameplay
>shelled out 100 ausbucks
>beat it in 5 days
>regret it immediately
Fuck sake usually listening to /v/ has resulted in me discovering some cool things but listening to the automata fanbase was a big mistake.
They pissed me off with just how obnoxious they were but I was willing to give them the benefit of a doubt and assume if I play the game I'll feel the same way as them.
Nope, after playing it all the way through I can confirm this game was overhyped to high hell by it's autistic following, great, I lost $100 and I could have spent that on something that I actually wanted like Persona 5 but the curiosity of automata was killing me, atleast I know now the game is only average and won't hype myself up even further.

>>376077747
Second B is best.

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>>376077864
>shelled out 100 ausbucks

>>376077864
You really shouldn't touch Taro games when you're such a pleb, I bet you didn't even play the first Nier. Your fault for not knowing your own tastes.

>>376077985
I was desperate for a copy nigga they were all fucking GONE

>>376078019
>heh, you just don't appreciate good things :P
oh yeah man, it takes a total pleb to notice when an overworld that is shit is shit
tragic moments weren't even bad, I've seen worse

I look at it like DBZ. The plot doesn't hold up for a second if I look at it critically, but everything is so stylish that I find it hard to care about the flaws. It's like a 6/10 game that I got 9/10 enjoyment out of.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSXjgz9f0bo
>;_;

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A2 is a good girl! GOOD GIRL!

>>376077831
You can be cold and distant while still having good conversation. 21O was fairly cold towards 9S as well, but their exchanges were much more entertaining. Meanwhile every 2B/9S exchange goes something like

>hey 2B, look at this thing/what do you think about this/isn't this thing weird?
>yeah/ok/not my problem/stay focused

I'm probably more annoyed than I should be, because I did love the game, but people hailing 2B/9S as the second coming of christ is really starting to get on my nerves

>>376078157
>tragic moments weren't even bad, I've seen worse
If that's what you think Automata was about you clearly missed the point.

>>376076967
I gotta say mine are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntHbvoYr1Lk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQS4o_bYA_M

>>376078254
She kills babies.

>>376078290
no, but it's one of the many things people here hyped up here
>omg so sad ;_;
>dude like LITCHRALLY the most TRAGIC game ever
I got the lame ass message the game conveyed, but I could list everything and you'd be like "ummm, you STILL don't get it! you just don't get it mom!"

>>376078254
she literally ruins everything when she destroys the tower

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>>376078543
It's not true big sis is nice and kind!

>>376078401
oooh~ very nice choices.
I'll share two more that I really enjoyed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A95vzvWlGqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpvSXPmS4dY

>>376078254
Sucks that we barely get to play as her.

>>376079207
She's basically just 2B with a few minor differences though.

>>376078581
>I got the lame ass message the game conveyed
Clearly you did, that's why the first shit you said was completely beside the point the game tries to make.

>>376075817
Wasn't it based of the data of a certain human or something?

>>376080397
Yes but that human was the original Gestalt. So I don't know where they got little girl in a red dress from.

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>>376080921
From Manah (from Drakengard), though I don't think there any actual story link.

>>376078719
Posting two. Witcher 3 had some great tracks as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Iaw2j3VM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eccT48ynSDo

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>>376080397
>>376080921
The network integrated information on humans in general as well as Nier and project Gestalt.

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I find the more i stay away from /v/ and its " you either suck Taro's dick or shitpost endlessley about people sucking Taro's dick"

I hace to agree with >>376067003, its flawed, but so unique in the way it does things that the flaws are outshined by its strengths.

Like, theres flaws in the writing, 9S and 2B relationship relies WAY too hard on twist recontextualization, you have to do route C quests and lay attention to everything 9S says for route C's murder boner to not feel contrived, but despite all that, the game does a damn good job at selling any mellowdrama it might have, and while its themes can feel disjointed, ending E is so fucking tight it manages to stick the fucking landing and then bow.

Weight of the world is so fucking good it could make old Schopie here crack a smile.


>>376067348
I only had a problem with it in the middle of part B.

I do swear the game got me to care about 9S a strange amount even in route A. Like I hardly new the fuck but when Adam stole him I wanted to find the fucker and tear him in half while that juicy techno played.

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>>376077249
My man. These fags probably hate the forest theme too.

Arabian and Bulgarian choirs are the shit.

>>376081604
I agree with you man, i do truly love this game, hell I've even started an A2 waifu folder, and I never do that shit. I should probably get off /v/ as both the rabid praise and shitposting is warping my perception of the game.

>>376069627
>DmC
You're retarded.

>>376081834
>Q17. Why did 2B need to hide the fact that she was 2E?
That's a pretty dumb question.

>>376077249

People complain about the desert theme? Shit, I think it's pretty cool and fits the stage.

>>376081834
Huh
>Q38. Does the demonic element (maso) exist in this world as well? How is it used in battle?
>There’s not a lot of demonic element going around, but it does exist (for example, Emil’s attacks). Also, the YoRHa units’ skills utilize the demonic element.
Huh, so YoRHa androids do what they do by using actual magic. That's pretty weird, I thought Grimoire Nier said there was no more maso, am I wrong or did it get retconned?

>>376083470
They got rid of all the Queen's maso specifically.

The first 2 routes should have been combined into 1.

Having to replay the first half of the game over again with worse combat mechanics to see like 10 minutes of new content was balls.

Bro, isn't 9S supposed to be a little kid? Toobie is fucking gross

>>376084189

I thought route B was pretty easy to speed through in all honesty.

>>376084189
>10 minutes of new content
Just because you skipped over 9S' specific sidequests doesn't mean they weren't there. I suppose you're also not including 9S' prologue and the story between the Flooded City mission and the time when 9S drops down again from the Bunker.

>>376084651
They're both 3 years old.

>>376077115
>>376077249
>>376081876
>>376082554
>Desert Song
>not the second best song in the game, losing only to Simone

>>376078262
I know the problem: You played the game with the shitty English dub.

>>376086897
>implying Possessed by disease, Forest, and Dependent weakling arent god tier

>>376087143
There's no song in the game I dislike.

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>mfw Nier has almost reached Undertale levels of contrarian backlash
You faggots will shitpost about anything for attention won't you

Did anyone manage to beat the Special Rank in 9S' Colosseum, yet? Which machine are you supposed to use?

>>376062498
Just no replaying the same areas, or replaying the whole game ever. One fucking experience. Nier and Nier:A have a bit too much padding, worse than XVs side quests even

>>376063661
Witcher 3 has good everything but combat/exploration
The only good aspect of Nier is the combat, not even exploration

People praise Witcher 3 for what its good at, people seem to overrate Nier's worst aspects.

>>376088267
Welcome to /v/

Ironic really, given even Undertale started as "that game on /v/ everyone was totally ok with and backing."

Goes to show whenever something becomes popular, whoever tells you there isn't a hivemind or at least peer pressure is full of shit.

>>376078401
>not liking Steel for Humans more
Still a good choice though

>>376088889
Combat wasnt deep, but it felt good to hit shit and dodge around stuff.

Story was good, writing critically flawed but suceeded in alot of places while trying some shit that felt fresh.

If game reviews are supposed to mix a game into a solution and assign it a number then Nier Tomato is a 7.2/10 with a few things that dont mix into the solution entirely and feel like theyre 12/10, namely the score and ending E.

I just dont understand the hatebase, sure people are sucking the game's dick, but this insane need to fucking drive shit into the ground is just straight up unhealthy .

>>376067219

link pls

>>376087143
Those are all great but I would add End of the unknown to that list. That shit completely took me by surprise when that fight started. It's so good.

>>376063886
You got a bigger version of this image perchance?

>>376089510
This "this thing is a bit overrated? Nah, it's shit" meme needs to stop

But it's like the "so now that the dust has settled" threads, not gonna go away any time soon despite being garbage.

I posted this an other Nier thread, can someone explain why people think the story is deep? It is really easy to understand and doesn't touch upon anything taboo.

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Why do people hate playing 9S so much? He's based as all living fuck. His moves are stylish and effective and he weaves in and out of combat via hacking so seamlessly. Of course he's gonna be bland if you do nothing but spam Square. Mix it up, do some dodge attacks, quick weapon switch to a greatsword and do a rising jump attack and switch again to slam back down with your quick weapon, put in some crit chips, use the Iron Pipe and watch everything break like glass.Become proficient.

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>>376090076
I liked playing as 9S but he's nowhere near as fun as A2.

>>376089724
Oh yeah you're right

>fucking didnt even know why I cared about 9S at that point but I wanted to rip and tear Adam a new asshole.

>>376089878

It does touch on existentialist themes in an intentionally surface level way, and does a great job with engaging with them through game mechanics, but the actual themes its touching on are better explored in more depth in the otaku shit that Taro most definitely drew from.

Namely Evangelion and Ghost in the Shell.

Theres nothing wrong with engaging in these themes on a surface level, if you want depth, or just want to jerk off how detailed your exposition is, just read Kierkegaard and Sartre's actual work.

>>376089878
>It is really easy to understand and doesn't touch upon anything taboo.
That's not what deep means retard. A game can be deep without being Anna Karenina.

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>>376089780
Not him, but I got this.

Pascal being voiced by the same person as Madoka is such a type-cast it's not even funny

>>376089878
Taboo =/= deep. How is that your key argument? I'm legitimately mad.

> Taro the mad man actually handed out a fake concert script to ruse the entire fanbase and have them on edge till yesterday
He even does ruses better than Kojima

>>376062382
Literally everyone, including the fanboys acknowledge the gameplay flaws and is usually part of the discussion since people always try to find a work around to make the game harder.

>>376090891>>376090380


taboo wasn't the right word, what I mean was the subjects tackled in the game have been done before so it was nothing revolutionary to me, I did really like Ending E though
also see >>376090294

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>>376091726
Im the one saying that its not very deep, it is more in depth than most titles however, and shitting on it for a few awkward steps like most of this board does just feels wrong.

Also just by bringing up the word deep so directly will make people think you're shitposting.

>>376092138
I feel like this game ended Taro's Drakengard legacy pretty well. All his games are about killing and needless violence and bad endings that video games don't bat an eye at, then the final act we as the player can do is choose to help each other through the sacrifice your save to help others through the credits thing. It was absolutely beautiful to finally see a """happy""" ending in a Taro game if you've played through the entire series from start to finish.