>tfw Based Valve is giving us the Diablo sequel we deserve

How can one developer be so based?

>mfw valve put p2w elements in dota 2

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>>376058295
>>376058982
>dont tell anyone icefrog left the project
>shit on the game
>lose 300,000 players
>dota dead in the west
>pay for this new content goys you can kill creep without having to face other heros or real people!
>retards gobble this up

weeeeeoew EXCLUSIVE DESERT SANDS roshan courier!!!! ill reinstall the game tonight!

>>376060164
What can I say, you're either based or you're not.

>>376058295
>it's dota vs monsters

how is that anything like diablo?

>>376060283
>go around killing doods
>doods drop gear
>infinite grind

literally 1:1 perfect carbon copy m8

>>376060164
Is there really rumors of Icefrog leaving? I haven't kept up with Dota 2.

Valve is really handling Dota like shit. I can't believe they are releasing content/heroes once/twice a year. They fucked up custom games as well. All they care about are the compendiums they release every two to three months.

>>376060394
its shit because icefrog is still around

we need based gabe to make dota fun again

How long until they make Dota 2 subscribtion based.

>>376060386
>earn enough XP to spin the wheel of rewards

mmhm

>>376058295
What do you mean? D3 ROS is pretty enjoyable in its current state. I don't need another diablo sequel for now. Maybe another Addon for D3.

>>376060497
never? It brings in most money by making thirdworlders waste their last food money on golden dildo hats

>>376060492
icefrog left the project around the time they added rubberband. ~or so they say~

>>376060913
I mean for the content.

Battlepasses are pretty much season passes at this point. Only that normally a game gets one season pass but in Dota 2 you get 4 season passes a year with additional ingame purchases and grinding included.

>>376058295
would make me come back to the game after 2 years. i don't want to play traditional dota, but i'd love to play as the characters and all my cosmetics again.

>>376061068
oh I can see something absolutely retarded like a battlepass season pass. Dotard will buy it anyway

>>376060560
Hero Siege is $6 and literally Diablo 3. It's fucking trash.

>>376060956
source?

>>376061280
There's literally no ARPG on the market with the same fluid animations and combat feel of D3. Shove your 6$ shovelware up your ass if you actually believe it comes even close.

>>376061246
they had that for years already, this coop campaign is even locked behind it

>>376060560
D3 ROS is probably the worst game currently on this planet. What the fuck is wrong with you.

I just opened it up for the first time in about a month, and what the fucks happened?

Pay 2 win mmr double down. Pay to play campaign. Please tell me people are angry over this, what the fuck.

>>376061505
D3 has the best combat by far compared to every game in the genre. You can argue about everything else, but no other ARPG has combat as fun as D3.

>>376061415
none, its just chatter. I believe it though the signs are all there and artheezy pretty much confirmed it when i saw him IRL

>>376061452
Diablo 3 looks and plays like flashy trash. It appeals to the lowest common denominator and is a fucking joke overall, ROS included.

>>376061452
Path of Exile is better in every way except perhaps visuals. D3 has about the same character variation as castle crashers.

>>376061452
Grim dawn is incredible.

>>376061505
Go play >>376061280 then. I would agree if you'd say D3 vanilla at its release state but ROS and the ongoing patches and content really made it an enjoyable game. Probably the best diablo after 1.

>>376061686
>artheezy
never met icefrog
I'd believe it if the source were Puppey, Merlini, Maelk, Lacoste or KuroKy though.

>>376061619
In my opinion PoE is better, even though they are both pretty much the same

>>376061619
>4 skills per class
>best combat

>>376061552
The double down MMR is only 50 instead of 25.

>>376061705
Path of exile with its combat being literally a step after stop-motion, P2W, boring as fuck presentation and grind worse than D3 at RAH times.

Absolutely fucking delusional.

>>376061775
I know he didnt, but he is on the inside and i saw him talking to icefrog on one of his streams.

>>376061846
>can modify every single skill in about 6 different ways

>>376058295
But diablo 3 soul of the reaper is fun

>>376061823
PoE is absolute garbage until you get to high levels, then it gets decent. Leveling a new character on PoE is an abortion because of the trash combat at lower levels. Later it gets better, but still not as satisfying like D3 is from pretty much the get-go.

>>376061886
Yeah. Literally double. Assuming its not a 1 time thing, its the definition of pay to win.

>>376058295
Ex dotka. It's pay to play shit here.
I member the old time like year best diretide or something and the event with the courrier greevil something. P2w is betta than p2p in a free to pay or something.
Really happy i uninstalled.

>>376061846
>POE
>Skilltree 95% passive bonuses

>>376061552
are you kidding? people are loving it
even the fucking trivia game is locked behind compendium

>>376061913
D3's combat on any of the harder difficulties is spamming one or two buttons and watching as the game plays itself.

>>376061552
The MMR thing is literally meaningless though. If someone doubles down and wins, they get put into a higher skill bracket and face better opponents. If they win *that* match, then obviously they're meant to be in that bracket - if not they'll naturally fall back down to their true skill level.

MMR Doubledown has no actual effect and is just a clever way to let people pay for a temporary ego boost.

>>376061934
You're actually this retarded

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>tfw enjoying the superior Moba

>>376061846
Have you even read my post? I'm talking about how fast and satisfying the combat is, not the variety.
Still, what other ARPG do you recommend that has more than 4 skills? Certainly not PoE, because there you have 1 or 2 main ones, then it's basically just boring passive shit and auras, and maybe a 3rd one for mobility.

>>376062091
That's no different from PoE.
That's not very different from D2 either.

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>>376061994
It's not like it's actually gonna be much help if you still suck at the game.

>>376062005
POE is garbage too, what's your point?

>>376062110
Explain? Getting ass blasted over a rummer doesn't justify calling me retarded.

>>376061775

acually i mean tpuppey, kappa

>>376061934
you cant be this dumb

Grim Dawn is already on Steam, so......

>>376062159
Yeah but in PoE I can do it with more than 1 build per class, and use many different builds to get there.

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I like Diablo 3 on console because it's the closest we'll ever get to a new Gauntlet: Dark Legacy.

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Reminder PoE is literally balanced around alt+f4 at the first sign of trouble

>>376062218
puppey has literally never talked about icefrog in public beyond a "yeah, i met him" or "yeah i talk to him" though.

>not playing HotS instead, when you could get 20 free heroes thanks to 2.0
Go away Ivan, no one likes your dead overinflated game ;)

>>376062218
>kappa
slit your wrists

>>376061705
>>376061694
Path of exile is a slog to play
Diablo 3 ROS has got so many good updates that it is actually a fun game now

They add ladder and the rifts are always being improved

It's fun to get that shiny loot now

POE feels shit to play after the polish of D3

It's the bigger budget, what can you do

>>376062291
Dota has 120 free heroes though.

>>376062291
Dota 2 gives you over 100 heroes for free.

>>376062259
>1 build per class
Where have you been? There's lots of viable builds in D3 now you retarded mongoloid. POE probably has less viable builds per class.

>>376062259
Yea, that's true.
Though, as much as I enjoy PoE, I actually really hate the end game. I'm hoping the expansion changes things up a bit.

>>376062271
Actually they allow you to send a disconnect packet, alt+f4 isn't the fastest way to disconnect.

:^)

>>376062291
this
dota is pretty much dead and the playerbase is dwindling rapidly

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Blizzshills have been on the offensive lately

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>>376060492
>based gabe
>the man who is hellbent on bringing back paid mods this year to Steam

>>376062174
>>376062101
If you have a 55% winrate in whatever your bracket is, its going to help you climb way faster. Sure you'd get there anyway, but I feel like the journey is part of it.

More importantly though, 7k plus its absolutely pay to win because you aren't going to be finding harder people, you are just going to be climbing faster indefinitely.

>>376062392
b-but muh passive tree with health and damage upgrades

>>376062091
That's what POE is as well
And all diablo like games
Do you not understand why people play those kind of games retard?

>>376062478
>modder should not be compensated for their work
>don't want high quality mods from people who quit their jobs to dedicate their skills to making mods

gabe knows what he is doing u dumb nerdposter

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>>376058295
>Act I
>Act II
>No Act III

Classic Valve!

>>376062478
sauce on this whore?

>>376062004
u w0t m8?

>>376060164
>icefrog left the project

Nice meme. Just because the game has been radically changed doesn't mean the staff has changed you fucking moron, Icefrog is just getting to do what he wants now because he doesn't have to deal with Warcraft III's restrictions anymore and felt like mixing things up.

My problem with Diablo 3 is that when I hit Esc my character looks like a PS2 model.

>>376060386
But the combat is nowhere near the same.

>>376062735
I mean you don't really have combat in diablo games just cast AoE and reducing clear time numbers lul

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>>376062587
>thinking building off someone else's product is worth money

Mods like Team Fortress got popular because they were good mods and they were free, that wouldn't happen if you had to pay $10 for it

>>376061619
d3 combat is very good, but shit gets too repetitive with all the fucking cooldowns and resource building

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>>376058982

Because they own the majority of the PC market.

Their rules can make or break up and coming developers.

They can the ability to bring down big publishers simply refusing to allow their games on their platform.

They see games that have potential and then buy them out, polish them up and sell the fuck out of that shit.

>>376058295
>inb4 it has a narrative enough to battle Silent Hill 2

>>376062718
>Just because the game has been radically changed doesn't mean the staff has changed

Never implied that, nice try though. Enjoy your dwindling game Rodrigo, im sure you can buy that battle pass once you swindle some tourists.

>you fucking moron
Getting this mad holy shit.

>>376061705
PoE plays like sluggish slow paced shit, and the characters take up half the screen.

Diablo 3 and Grim Dawn are the only good current ARPGs going.

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>Valve finally makes another campaign
>it's a Dota 2 mod

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>>376062623

Is Diablo 3 ROS worth it now?
Do people play seasons? Are they fun?

>>376062478
>Implying paid mods wouldn't result in higher quality mods
Cry jew all you like, but look at something like SkyUI. Those goys know their mod is required, and won't bother putting work into it unless they get paid.

Paid mods would also be great for games such as Tabletop Sim.

>>376063194
>PoE plays like sluggish slow paced shit
confirmed to not having played the game at a high level for the last few years

>>376062058
Well, time to sell my antique timebreaker and dragonbone hook I guess.

PoE is the most boring shit I've ever played in my life

>>376063387
People only play seasons. It's fun if you like the grinding for items gameplay. At least Diablo is really motivating about it and offers actual good combat.

Pick it up it's the best ARPG on the market.

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>>376063403
PAID MODS

>>376061619
neck yourself retard
D3 is utter shit beyond saving
I want a good game
not a fun game

>>376063387
I guess. It was worth it when it was released and they introduced the seasons and some major features, but Blizzard pretty much abandoned it. I used to play whenever a new season was out, but they keep taking longer and longer to do new ones, there's no real new content, and the things that is there gets boring after a while. It's certainly fun if you haven't played RoS though, and there's plenty of stuff there, just don't expect a whole lot more to come.

>>376063403
This shithole is just people being contrarian for the sake of it

If mods were paid it wouldn't help shit

Mods have existed since gaming existed and people did it for free if they wanted

If they want to get paid?
That's cool too, they can go and make a game

What the fuck is your point even

>Paid mods would also be great for games such as Tabletop Sim.
Or, the guy could just make his own tabletop sim game...
Woah

>>376063428
Pardon. I guess he was missing the 110 +1% vitality upgrades to see how great the combat is :^).

>>376063615
>jumping to a completely different point because you were wrong

>>376063480
>t. pleb with no taste

>>376063581
>I want a good game
>not a fun game
this is /v/ everyone

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>>376063428
>I-It gets fast at higher levels!
Its a brown, boring mess of a game with countless issues, only one of them being that the game is sluggish, movement slow and general game-feel being low quality than any other arpg around, let alone the polish that D3 has.

Poe defenders are so vocal, you lot are more amusing than the trigger cupcakes on the rpgcodex, one word of Diablo 3 and you all shit the bed.

PoE isn't complete shit, but its bad. There is a reason its free to play.

>>376062735
>click click click click click
>go route DPS routine
>spam AoE attacks
It's literally the same

>>376058295
Shallow horse shit.

>>376063589
Wait, are you saying they're slow to start new seasons?
Like longer than 6 months between each?
I guess a month longer for a season isn't a big deal, but if it's longer that kinda sucks

>>376063687
>Can't even defend his shitgame because there are absolutely no positive points about it.

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>>376063581
>I want a good game
>not a fun game

>>376063428
yeah dude wtf
he haven't played 8 hours to get to the point where combat gets acceptable??? lmao

>>376063580
BAN THIS SICK FILTH
>>>/d/

>>376063717
This
It's an unpolished mess of a game, with the gayest skill tree ever added to a game

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>>376062058
>People are loving it

No, they are "enduring" it.

>>376063614
>Making a mod for a game is the same as making a game
>Hurr paid mods is dumb, they should just make a new game
I don't even know how to start explaining how stupid you are for thinking modding (Even complex TC mods) are anywhere close to making a game from scratch.

>>376063614
not the retard you are tlking to, but paid mosd will split the comunity and hut the scene over all nexus talked about that back in the day, just when steam workshop was introduced

>>376063829
>8 hours
>this genre
>a lot

>>376063780
The last few ones took about 2-3 months, but before that they used to take almost double that. New seasons are fun for the first week or two, maybe the first month if it's your first one, but after that it gets really boring and it's pointless to keep playing. Blizzard haven't been releasing a lot of updates either/

>>376063881
When did 7.00 land again? Early october?

>>376064021
when it's the worst 8 hours in the genre, yeah, it's a lot

>>376064224
>>376064021
>>376063829
>>376063428
>>376063194
just use double quicksilvers you niggers plus some decent 30% move speed boots

>>376063979
Did I say it's just as hard?
I said if you want to get paid, make a game yourself

Don't make something on someone elses skeleton and then expect you can charge for it

There's actually a guy who made mods for a game on steam and the devs reached out and said they'll pay him

>>376063997
The workshop was the most idiotic shit
How would you stop people from stealing each others mods?
Modders use each others assets all the time that's common
When it's all non paid that's fine who cares, but when it is imagine the hell
Fucking valve are retards

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>Diablo 3
>Fast paced, polished movement and visual abilities. Good enough story with lots of nice details to be found. Okay endgame with adventure mode
>Grim Dawn
>More depth than Diablo 3, less polish. Passable story, more replayablity.
>Pile of Excrement
>Its free I guess.

>>376064363
>Being this stupid
People don't mean the movement or attack speed in PoE is slow, but if you need it explained you're an idiot.

>>376064070
They just released seasons for consoles actually
Maybe they've been focusing on that, who knows
For a game like diablo, at some point, the game is finished
They should and will add more tho, it's blizzard they don't drop their games

>>376064224
not him but you're wrong, the game simply plays at the peace you want it to play it.
I'm asuming you're just bad at it

>>376064194
Don't know don't care, anyone who stayed on after rubberband deserved 7.0

>>376064482
no you are the retard
at the higher level it feels fine
at the lower levels you just skip everything except blue/yellow packs anyway

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>inb4 Valve make a RTS
dude lmao

>>376064224
everyone already knows that diablo 3 is polished, the problem is that blizzard casualized the shit out of it so it has poor staying power (plus the artstyle thing), whereas PoE is appreciated because it went even deeper into the item and build shit that everyone loved about D2

so if you like this genre play d3 once or five times, then play poe for the 1488 hours left, if you don't like the genre go and play some other kind of game

>>376064378
you're just baiting there faggot
be honest, you don't even think that high of diablo 3

>>376064562
Necromancer paid DLC is coming very soon

he's been playable on ptr actually

Give Titan Quest a go if you're looking for a Diablo-like. And dont fall for the PoE meme. The game is shit.

>>376064690
What depth does poe have over diablo that makes a huge change in fun?

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Only reason early levels of PoE are time consuming is if you pick up every fucking piece of grey/white/blue trash that drops. If you actually head to each destination it is pretty fast.

At least next big patch there won't be as much repetition since they are eliminating cruel and merc difficulties.

>>376061775
Who else knows?

The old guard of talent like tobi, draskyl etc?

>>376058982
>developer

>>376064789
gear and crafting easily

>>376064378
>Good enough story
"ROAR I AM THE EVIL NOT PITLORD I SHALL PROJECT AN IMAGE OF MYSELF TO YOU SO THAT I CAN LAUGH AT YOU AND TELL YOU MY TROOPS ARE COMING UP FROM UNDERGROUND TO FLANK YOU MWAHAHAHA OOH YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT DID YOU WELL YOU WILL NEVER FIND OUT ABOUT THE OTHER ATTACK IM SENDING LET ME MARK ON YOUR MAP THE LOCATION OF MY NEXT ATTACK MWA HAHAHAHA I AM SO EVIL"

fucking Saturday morning cartoon tier writing

>the angels and demons had sex to make a superbaby to kill god and satan so they can live in peace

jesus chrit

>>376064767
the problem is that Titan Quest and Grim dawn are is titan-quest-like
poe is more diablo 2 than diablo 3 itself
you are the memes

>>376064678
Ah yes, the "RTS" genre.

We've dismissed this theory

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>>376064367
>Pros of paid mods
>More people take an interest in the modding community
>Higher quality mods, hobbists getting groups together or throwing some cash at a freelancer to help with their shit
>Helps modders grow, perhaps moving from hobbists to professional modders
>Encourges the devs to put more effort into modding tools, as they can profit from modding.
>Encourges others devs to add modding to games they might not have

>Cons with paid mods
>It might make some devs lazier when it comes to content, but a shitty game won't attract a modding community, so not really.
>Waaaaaaah, Valve and X Dev make money!

>>376064789
retarded levels of theorycrafting and character building, more shit to grind for, trading, etc

>>376063403
Yeah, DLC sure increased the quality of the extra maps devs included in FPS for example. Before, it was a given that *Random Shooter License* 3 had new maps and a good chunk of the maps of the first and second games, now it's paid only and devs almost never release new maps for free like they did in the Quake III/Unreal Tournament era.

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>>376064917
>A story needs to be high art or profound to be enjoyable

>>376062101
This. It's basically like the betting thing they have now. It adds tension to the match.

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>>376064964
>>Pros of paid mods
>>More people take an interest in the modding community
LMAOS

>>376064789
You can actually create your own builds, unlike D3 where you just build around an OP set. It's the thinking man's game.

The gameplay is still trash, of course.

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>>376065058
>a story needs a female protagonist or I won't enjoy it

>>376064964
There have been amazing mods made without being paid for 40+ years

Paid mods have no benefits

>>376065058
>a story being shallow and shittily written is a positive

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>>376065103
>Implying the incentive of payment wouldn't get more people interested in making mods

>>376065058
>low art can't be plain bad

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>>376064964

>>376065214
It's a video game
It doesn't matter

>>376065236
And these people matter because?

>>376065214
This, I only enjoy the finest gaming kino such as Gone Home and Firewatch. These *snickers* 'stories' that arpgs have are quite the pathetic showing indeed.

>>376064964
Kill yourself even if you posted this ironically

>>376062603
HAH
now i see it.

>>376065130
>You can actually create your own builds, unlike D3 where you just build around an OP set. It's the thinking man's game.
LMAO is this nigger serious?

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>>376065236
It wouldn't. In fact it might as well kill modding. It will attract Patreon tier cocksucker and crash the community with no survivors. Modding will no longer be for the love of the game or the fun of creating stuff. Everything is about shekels, goodgoy.

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>>376065058
>I immensely enjoy childrens cartoons and narratives because they clearly outline what im supposed to feel and think
>I need the story to treat me like a child and hold my hand because i have the attention span and retention ability of a goldfish

>>376065283
>It's a video gameIt doesn't matter
if it doesn't matter why did they feel like shoving it into my face all the time with terrible dialogue and in-game cutscenes and triggered events constantly interrupting my play

the story is not only bad it's intrusive

>>376064964
you're a retard
even if you're joking

>>376064964
Only the last two pros are vaguely true.

You're also forgetting
>will kill any chance of any gave having a long lasting modding community ever again, as everyone will move on to the new hot thing
>killing the last bastion of free development in videogames, after steam killed freeware games
And yes, the last one is hugely important, and not just because people want free stuff. An open environment where anybody can create things, which get succeed on their own merit alone rather than on which can convince people who haven't played it to give money towards it (i.e. advertise) is hugely beneficial.

Kill yourself.

>>376065130
why does that matter when there are only less than a handful actually viable builds for each character

>>376065424
Not an argument, shitdump.

>>376065516
You can skip all the story in diablo 3 with ease
Don't talk shit

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Anyone remember that one modder that secretly updated his free mod with popups in Skyrim that reminded people to go buy his paid mod on steam whenever they tried to cast a spell?

That shit was happening

>>376064678
>Doug Lombardi goes back to his old love and makes a team of former Relic employees and bullies Gearbox to give them the rights to make Homeworld 3 and manage to get Yes again
That would be the best possible outcome.

>>376065516
you don't even have to start the campaign at all, ever

>>376065459
>Modding will no longer be for the love of the game or the fun of creating stuff. Everything is about shekels, goodgoy.
People wouldn't put effort into modding just for the pay, anon. Even if they did, they would still need to make something worth buying. So either way what is the issue there?

Someone only cares about the shekels, so they make a good. Either its really good and worth the price, or its shit and doesn't sell. Literally no different to modding now. Shit mods are ignored, good ones are downloaded, only difference is a possible good mod doesn't get made if the jew can't get paid. Also if jews mod is shitty but the idea is good, someone will come and make a better verison of it, likely for free.

>>376064964
You're totally correct. But most people on /v/ are poor children who hate the idea because they won't be able to buy any

>>376065607
maybe if you smash your spacebar 200 times a minute and also mute all the voices
>>376065673
there was no real reason to buy RoS after the novelty of clicking on things but this time with ragdolls and shitty art wore off

>>376063403
>this mod is a requirement for many others
>ergo it should not be free, and people should be forced to buy it in order to buy other things
Wow, thanks for the great example of how pro-consumer paid modding is! No possible problem could arise from this!

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>>376065314
>>376065283
These arguments are invalidated because the original poster highlighted the story as a positive for the game.

Pay attention, oh thats right, goldfish retention ability my bad. You're probably going to forget you read this post in 3... 2... 1...

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>>376065493
>Diablo 3 has a childish storyline
>Unlike my favorite arpg which has a deep, involving storyline crafted by artisans
>Wendyreactionimage.reddit

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>Underages don't know about Warchasers

>>376065826
>>Unlike my favorite arpg which has a deep, involving storyline crafted by artisans
if you don't think the marius cinematics were the tightest shit ever then get out of my face

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>>376065724
What part it turning into the same garbage as the shitfest that is the indie scene right now dont you get?

>>376065130
Really made me think

>>376065607
>>376065283
>>376065058
>list thing as a positive
>people point out that it's not and you're a mouth breathing retard if you found it enjoyable
>y-you can just ignore it!
lmao

>>376065929
But there is the occasional good indie game. There is not an occasional good mod currently.

>>376065826
Never made that argument, idiot.

>>376062271
They should at the least put some effort into making the first difficulty good to play trough, instead of being as shitty as it is.

>>376065854
this game was fucking dumb since all the items are worthless compared to infernal stones

>>376062271
I don't understand the appeal of hardcore characters

>>376064917
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
oh my god i forgot how ridiculous diablo 3 was... thanks for reminding me.

>>376066010

>Nuclear Throne Together
Post dismissed.

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>>376066010
>There is not an occasional good mod currently
People have continuously made mods better than the original game. neck yourself why is there no filter function

>>376065459
You claim that money will "make udah gabing scene baden" but you don't provide any argument supporting that

Patreon hasn't ruined Source Filmmaker porn

>>376066191
it's the thrill of danger
but behind the thrill holding it up lies dozens of hours of grinding easy and boring content so take your pick

>>376066191
When you have literally no accomplishments in life outside of video games, being a xxhardcorexx gamer can give you some much needed sense of self-worth

>>376062271
>game based around min-maxing
They gotta appeal to those autismos

>>376065525
Wow sure are a lot of angry faggots replying to my post, but at you pointed out some shit rather than just cry about it like a bitch.

>will kill any chance of any gave having a long lasting modding community ever again, as everyone will move on to the new hot thing
What? How? You're implying that everyone would suddenly charge for their mods, which is clearly not the case given that most were against it when Valve added it. People would still continue to mod for free, it would only be those in it purely for the money that would move on to the next new thing.

Though speaking of that, what 'next hot thing' would that even be? Modding is so limited nowadays that you're really just talking about either Elder Scrolls/Fallout here, least with paid mods. People doing it for cash would ignore smaller titles. And those games last years. There are still mods coming out for Skyrim, still a few still coming out for past titles too.

>killing the last bastion of free development in videogames, after steam killed freeware games
Again, you're implying that this would somehow kill free modding. Most modders would still mod for free as we saw when Valve added paid mods, most of the people who planned on moving to jewmode were known shitlords who rarely updated their shit because they weren't being paid (SkyUI team), so who the fuck cares. All it would mean is these jews get off their ass and mod, which would only benifit us. It isn't like you and the rest of us wouldn't just pirate their shit anyway.

Though that does make me think of another con, devs wanting to lock down mods to prevent piracy, but really there isn't much that can done to make modding locked down, not as far as I can see.

>>376066286
>but you don't provide any argument supporting that
He doesn't have to, we have the fucking meltdown that happened between the modmakers when Valve first tried to pull that shit as an introduction to what will happen.

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>>376066286
Yeah, find me good shit that ain't porn. If it doesn't appeal to furries or muh dik, which is basically the same, it gets nowhere.

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>>376064917
This post is too fucking good.

>>376066305
I cleared the first difficulty level in Grim Dawn with my tanky melee sword and board retaliator, and then I went to go clear a shrine in elite and got insta-gibbed by a rare because it turns out my poison resistance was knocked down into the single digits. negative single digits. I would've been utterly crushed to have gotten that far just to lose it all like that, so I guess hardcore is just something I won't ever get

>>376065525
>everyone will move on to the new hot thing
Why is that?Why wouldn't they move on to the new hot thing while its free?Literally wtf changes when you have to pay for it?

>>376066010
>There is not an occasional good mod currently.
Poster who is getting all the angry (you)s over supporting paid modding here, at least the people disagreeing with me know what they are talk about.

There are plenty of great mods released for all sorts of games, please kys.

>>376066574
Because they will doing mods for the game they like not the game that earns more shekels. See Skyrim and FO4. Skyrim have a much more active community still. Some people even make mods for Morrowind still.

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>>376066286
>Patreon hasn't ruined Source Filmmaker porn
it hasn't because sfm is already inherently garbage

>>376066758
And so people making paid mods will stick with those games and that is where the focus is, they'll move on when the player base does. And those people who are still making mods for older games are not going to suddenly stop because paid modding exists.

What are you even trying to argue at this point?

>>376066420
Your entire argument for both of those hinges on the idea that people who are given the opportunity to try make money off something won't, which is clearly bullshit, and if it was true you wouldn't needed paid mods to begin with. You can't make an argument for why something should exist while coming from "people won't use it". It's inherently flawed. People are greedy, give them the chance to fuck something over for slight profit and they will.

Stuff like SkyUI doesn't get development because there's not much more to do. You don't need constant eternal development on a fucking UI mod. Something being finished and moving on so it doesn't constantly introduce new conflicts and fuck things over isn't a bad thing.

Furthermore the fact that you think elder scrolls and fallout are the only examples of modding still around shows that you really don't know what you're talking about in the slightest.

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>>376066886
>he assumes people won't try to make money out of their hobby

>>376059681
No they didn't
Name one thing

>>376066191
>>376066305
pretty much this, if i have no fear of death them im just throwing my body at the enemy and my brain turns off. In hardcore when i hit that 7% hp my entire body comes alive like i just ate something intensely spicy its a great feeling. Forces you to stay alert and engaged etc

>>376066317
This guy is just retarded though, shouldn't have access to a computer imo.

>>376060164
why did icefrog leave valve

>>376067149
its a rummer don't take what i'm saying for pure fact.

>>376063829
i'd say it maybe takes 10 hours on the first day to not feel like shit
depends on your build and luck with drops

>>376066952
>Furthermore the fact that you think elder scrolls and fallout are the only examples of modding still around shows that you really don't know what you're talking about in the slightest.
I never said that, I said they were the largest and what people looking to make paid mods would focus on, which is true. If you are in purely for the money, you're not going to go make a mod for a small game, you'll make one for Beths latest title.

>You don't need constant eternal development on a fucking UI mod
Ironic you claim that I don't know shit when you'd say something that stupid. People don't give a shit about the UI element, they care about the MCM, something that isn't happening in the special edition of Skyrim because the modders are jews, and they openly showed that if paid modding became a thing, they'd collect their gold coins and make it.

>Your entire argument for both of those hinges on the idea that people who are given the opportunity to try make money off something won't
You're entire agruement is laughable, you're not using any examples. We know how at least the Beth modding community would react to paid mods already. Most of them fucking hate the idea and would continue to mod for free.

You claiming people are greedy and it would destory the modding community is an utter joke, we have evidence that directly shows otherwise. When Valve added paid mods, it was a only a small group of people who tried to jew out their mods, most of which wouldn't sell for shit, like shitty groups begging on kickstarter and coming up empty.

Adding paid mods would give an option for people to work on their mods for pay, perhaps leaving jobs or taking less hours. It wouldn't kill free modding at all, we have seen that with the backlash against paid mods.

If you claim to know the modding communtiy you'd full well that even with paid mods being an option, most of the worth while modders who do it for fun, out of love for modding, would continue to do so for free.

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>tfw that one faggot who put actual ads pop-ups in his mod

>>376062785
>>376063720
Jesus fucking christ do you guys even play video games?

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>>376065741
>he is totally right because everyone on /v/ is poorfag
You wound my good sir.

>>376058295
>people still play DOTA

You know HOTS is a thing right? You don't have to pretend to like this "game" anymore.

>>376061085
>tfw can't get myself to sell all my high price items even tho haven't played in year
I also bought all the figmas and waiting on QoP neindroid

>>376063403
no it fucking wouldn't, it would but a spotlight on the modding community for companies to make sure their games aren't being put up for download paid or not and they would be trying to take down games that they own whether people charge for them or not

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>>376066261
>why is there no filter function
there isn't?

>>376068167
>it would but a spotlight on the modding community for companies to make sure their games aren't being put up for download paid or not and they would be trying to take down games that they own whether people charge for them or not
Is English not your first language?

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>>376066562
you got gibbed because you
-failed a block roll
-elites can easily crit player characters
-negative resists exceeded your maximum safe hp
-it was actually a stacking debuff
-it was a double crit/strength class elite

pick 4

>>376061552
>Pay 2 win mmr double down.
retard

>>376064964
>Higher quality mods
Quality isn't what makes mods fun.

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>>376064363
where do you find a 30% move speed boots in normal acts?
dumbass

>>376068089
5 cents etc etc

>>376068646
d2jsp

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>>376068594

>>376068646
>he doesn't know

>>376068594
This. Quality isn't important.
Scale or transformability seems a lot more important.

>>376064363
>Get these items to make the game bareable.
What did he mean by this?

>>376068646
seven league step have no level requirement, but you won't get them on your first character while leveling

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just this last month I discovered a team has been working on a "nemesis" AI framework for Skyrim. It sounds pretty promising having something from Lord of the Rings game being implemented.

Did Valve do anything to fix the perus and account buyers issues in ranked matchmaking?

>>376064918
>poe is more diablo 2

As someone who loves the shit out of D2 (like anyone else here), go fuck yourself. PoE "tries" to be like D2 but fails in every regard.

>>376069074
How would that work, when the combat system is severely worse, and there is no real decapitation options?

>>376058982

How can one person be such blind corporate sheep?

>>376069159
yes
account is tied to phone number and doesn't accept online phone number accounts

>>376069074
Only good thing about the lotr game

>>376065536
Few weeks ago frostbolt and ek from dumpster tier to meta because some streamer play it
Game has retarded level of variety in builds, but 60% the community itself are stupid and only follow build, leave the theorycrafting to people who actually know the game
If you play like those 60% ofc you will feel boring unless you have high level of autism

>>376065854
was pretty good until surpassed by other custom maps

>>376067014
Forces you to disconnect you mean.
Theres no danger at all.

>>376069187
I play d2 lod and even eatern sun/median XL and have to admit poe already surpassed d2 in every regard

>>376069189
it isn't the combat specifically (but there is combat improvements), but the thinking AI stuff, like a team of enemy AI npcs heading out into the world and growing stronger and stronger in time, stacking out their own territory and growing it bigger.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/76803/?

>>376058295
>be PSG
>said starting over 2 years ago that Valve's next game will be a diablo-like
>you will be able to find Dota items in the diablo game, you will be able to find diablo game items in Dota

It was so obvious and because of my superior integrative intelligence I was right again. why doesn't someone hire me as an industry analyst? fuck.

Full game will be unveiled late next year, this is clearly a beta test.

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>>376069456
in case you didn't want to click on the link here is the current features

>>376069456
It sounds cool on paper, but its too shallow to really accomplish anything.

>>376060386
I wonder if Valve will actually develop new items just for this event, like Year Beast. Basic Dota heroes won't be fun at all in PVE.

>>376058295
>earn enough points to spin the wheel of rewards and you could walk away with an exclusive deserts sands baby roshan

It's not even a fucking guranteed thing and your most likely going to get more jew crates that you need to buy keys for

>extremely rare reward
oh boy

>>376069389
thats why everyone hits level 100 right? And no one ever dies are you an idiot lol?

>>376066286
SFM porn was ruined to begin with.

>>376069456
so just more elaborate level scaling?

>>376062271
>Literally any ARPG
>has the option to use an option to get out of danger no matter the situation

It's called town portal scrolls u dumb nerd. Literally what is the difference between walking out through a portal when shit gets hard. Every game does this.

Stupid dumbposter

>>376064812
I really do love the Druid in that picture.

>>376070113
Diablo 3 does not have this problem.

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>>376070058
kinda

https://youtu.be/zCXEsoDA5Cc?t=149

watch vid at this point for a bit, it goes into what the dev is aiming for. There is a lot more to it than just leveling up enemies.

>>376058295
Only if you pay for it though.

WE NEED A DOTA 2 RPG, NOWWWWWWWWWWWW. Chalky brush rpg is way too unbalanced.

>>376070194
because d3 is trash and is designed around dieing all the fucking time

>>376070386
at least it's not CLOSING THE FUCKING GAME

>>376070194
because its a shit game

d2 has it because its a good game

good games have this option

>>376070480
closing poe and never reopening it again is the best way to play it

what a turd

>>376065854
it couldve been better

shit was just terribly designed but im sure theres something good in that concept
sunken city did it better

>>376060492
When was the last time Valve made a good game?

>>376062587
Why are you quoting Valve? Paid mods were literally a scam to rip off both content creators and consumers, so they certainly were the first people that would state the thing you're quoting.

>>376070667
Just like your taste

>>376070873

All games should be free desu

Charging money for games is a scam to rip off both content creators and consumers.

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>making their own campaign
>meanwhile custom maps which would allow user campaigns and other maps are dead and broken thanks to valve

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3 years ago I was laughing at how dumb mobas are

>>376071009
>$0.02 has been credited to your account

>>376071358
>tfw I won

ez

>>376071416
>le shitpost king

>>376064964
don't forget one big con:
>cross-mod interaction becomes a nightmare
when mods are free, it's easy to just say "this mod needs x to work", but when money gets involved it becomes a shitshow. Maybe a guy who makes a mod that many people rely on for their mods to work (ex: script extenders) want the people using his mod to pay him some of the profits, for example. Maybe you buy a $20 mod and realize that it's incompatible with your other $20 mod, meaning either you wasted money or one of the mod makers loses a customer.

If there was some regulation, paid mods could work, but neither valve nor the game owners want to bother with policing the mod market.

>>376071481
hi

>>376071918

>>376071027
best guess for this image
>nut

Paid mods literally exist. Modders have donation pages for a reason. Oh wait, Gabe banned those LMAO

>>376064964
There is no way you can look at steam greenlight and valves complete lack of curation and think they would do any better with the modding space.