>playing vidya as a hobby is ok for a grown man >it enhances

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>>376032781
>it teaches puzzle solving and increases critical thinking skills

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>I've gained leadership and team building skills from my years as raid leader in WoW

>>376032918

While I go to school I make my living as a repair technician. My boss has said, openly, multiple times, that I am the best tech the company has had in 30 years.

What donyou think is more likely? I'm some kind of savant, which he claims? Or I'm just some fuck spent twenty three years beforehand practicing problem solving skills? It's the same basic shit. Have problem, have tools, use tools to solve problem.

You're not going to become macguyver because you played some Zelda, but they're not unrelated.

>>376032781

>Gamers have reaction times on par with jet fighter pilots

But it does?
I mean sure, that's silly when someone who's halfass playing assfaggots is saying that, but what's the problem if we're talking competitive FPS, programming games, and physical exercise music games like DDR and Dance Central?

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>this terrible bait

>>376033965
no it doesnt retard fuck off

vidya is an absolute shit tier "hobby"

>>376035319
>he rates hobbies
>he thinks hobbies have to teach you a skill to not be "shit"

>>376035431
hobbies have to be productive

video games are not productive

>>376033761

>he doesn't realize that normies are retarded as hell and that's why he is a savant in comparison

>>376032781
>sitting on /v/ gives me a better perspective on all things vidya

There are people here who actually believe /v/(and 4chan as a whole) aren't wrong 90% of the time.

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>>376036462
Right-O comrade, for the motherland we must make sure all our time is of maximum productiveness!

>>376033761
My brother is finished is PhD in psychology a few years back and we had an interesting conversation about this sort of stuff.

Apparently specific skills are really difficult to remove from context (if you, for instance, played a game about building an engine, you wouldn't necessarily be able to build an engine outside the context of the game).

However, games DO seem to increase general skills, like spatial reasoning, dead reckoning, multi-tasking.

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>>376040657
>spatial reasoning
This is the skill I think I acquired the most from playing games all my life, as well as situational awareness

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>learning stuff about videogames improves your memory

>tfw vidya improved my english greatly when I was a kid

>>376036462
what are some productive hobbies?

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>>376032781
>>it enhances reflexes and muscle coordination
>>376032918
>>it teaches puzzle solving and increases critical thinking skills
>>376033636
>>I've gained leadership and team building skills from my years as raid leader in WoW
>>376033919
>>Gamers have reaction times on par with jet fighter pilots
>>376041786
>>tfw vidya improved my english greatly when I was a kid

These are all retarded, but

>>376032781
>>playing vidya as a hobby is ok for a grown man

There's nothing wrong with this.

>>376040657
Games teach you to imagine mechanics. They're perfect for this because, unlike reality, they're illusions erected on top of a bed of actual mechanics that have rigid formulas. You sort through the appearances to get at the mechanics that govern them, and thats how you leverage your power in the game world. Above all, it's fun.

Life doesn't start from math equations like vidya, yet you still stand to empower yourself if you can generalize the appearance of your life into mechanisms/formulas. Again, games are a training ground for this precisely because they get you to articulate things as sophisticated mechanisms, which is a bigger picture that let's you anticipate the future to some extent. If anything, you can do this faster and better than others.

>>376042553
Playing an instrument
Playing sports
Painting,drawing, sculpting, etc
Working out
Reading

>>376042707
>>>tfw vidya improved my english greatly when I was a kid
>These are all retarded, but
How's that retarded? That's like the most viable one on the list

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>>376032781
It's just an interactive movie. Don't overthink it.
The rating system also proves this argument invalid.

>>376042553
What you want is a FUN hobby that you can circulate in the world, for money, prestige, excitement in general. Painting is good if you're passionate because it's not about being "productive", it's about experimenting with how the sight of the world makes you (and others) feel. Its deeply satisfying and causes interesting things to happen to you.

A lot of people who mouth off about "productivity" are trying to give SOME kind of meaning to what they're doing through a dreary life-management lens (they operate their life like driving a car, passionless and dissociated but "in control"). Productivity only matters if it strengthens your ability to access the finer excessive things in life. My point is to prioritize the feeling and passion, and you can get at finer human things without being a "productive instrument".

>>376043087
>Reading

Just reading isn't automatically productive unless you're still learning how to read.

If you're reading a textbook or some other educational material for the purpose of acquiring skills for the workplace, then it's productive. But reading some gay-ass fantasy novel doesn't qualify as "productive" just because your mommy told you that reading is good and video games are bad.

>>376043087
>Painting, drawing, sculpting, etc

These are productive only in the literal sense that you're physically producing something, even if it's shit.

If "productive" is supposed to mean "not a waste of time" then your art better be good enough to sell or to put in an art gallery. If no one else wants to look at your shitty art, then creating it purely for your own enjoyment is precisely as "productive" as playing a video game.

>>376032781
fun fact: it doesnt work for everybody
>>376043454
>It's just an interactive movie. Don't overthink it.
you must be thinking on easy or sony games

Healthy mental exercise.

Also playing vidya inspires me creatively. I like exploring worlds, soaking up the atmosphere, setting, character/level/object design, and the overall feeling you get from it.

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>>376033636
>I've gained leadership and team building skills from my years as raid leader in WoW

i knew a guy that put something like this on his resume. imagine the look on the face of the HR guy.

>>376040657
>improves multitasking
>I'm absolutely terrible at multitasking

>>376032781
The only thing it helped me with is english and maybe multi tasking and for that I gave my life. That being said I probably would
've found something else to escape in if it wasn't for video games.

>>376044505
reading can be productive for the human mind. it doesn't have to be for the workplace.

if youre over 18 and playing video games you should seriously kys

>>376046137
You're reading right now.

>>376045503
Fucking seriously? Goddamn I hope the interviewers laughed in his fucking face

>>376046232
what is the point?

>>376045369
A nu-male speaks, it's time to listen

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>Implying I don't play games purely as a distraction from the dystopian hellscape that is life in 2017

>>376036462
>hobbies have to be productive

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>gamers who play a lot of strategy games will grow up to be great CEOs and politicians

>>376045503
That's how the Vanilla WoW and Overwatch lead dev got his job you know. He was a raid leader back in Everquest. It's a legitimate thing to put on your resume but you have the reword it carefully.

Like don't just say "I was a raid leader in WoW and that taught me how to lead". You have to translate that into how those skills affect the real world. Not very hard to do.

>>376046137

Explain exactly how it's more productive than playing a video game.

Hard mode: You can't make assumptions about the kind of video game I'm talking about. If you reply with "hurr durr Call of Duty doesn't exercise your mind" then I'm done.

>>376046465
of course not

doing drugs is a hobby
watching porn is a hobby
playing video games is a hobby

theres a difference between good(productive) hobbies, and shit time wasters like video games

>>376040657
>PhD in psychology
ohwowitsfuckingnothing.jpeg

>giving a shit about what society and people care about what you do with your free time.

>>376046541
It makes total sense for a video game related job.

>>376046743
what do you have?

exactly nothing shut the fuck up

>>376046575
you don't have to actually think while playing a video game. all of them are typically as simple as 1+1=2. they all give you the images they are portraying right there in front of you rather than you imaging them yourself. at least with reading, there is a bit of work the mind must to to appreciate the material. especially with actual literature. but even that being said, even shit books are better than great video games.

>>376047000
CS-undergrad, which makes me infinitely more educated and employable than your faggot brother and his faux-degree

>>376046990
Even then the reword part still is true. If you put general things on your resume, expect it to get tossed into garbage. You have to elaborate on your skills and how they fit into the workplace. Leading a video game group to get gear is one thing, leading a development team of 100+ people is another.

>>376036462
No they don't. Hobbies are considered hobbies because they're done in one's leisure time. If they were done for a purpose and weren't being enjoyed, then it's no longer a hobby but rather an obligation or job.

>grinding in RPGs teaches patience
this is true for me

>>376047182
>stemfags
>CS
>"EVERY DEGREE THATS NOT STEM IS SHIT!'

Fuck off retard.

>>376046718
You are obsessing too much with "productivity" if you care about ranking hobbies on which are productive. Not everything people do has to be productive to be good. Many things are "productive" only under certain assumptions and point-of-views, for example there is the stereotype of the starving artist, would all of society consider this artist to be "productive"?

>>376047170
You're reading right now.

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>>376047515
Get back to flipping burgers for me

>>376047348
thats retarded

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>>376047968
You are retarded

>>376032781
FFXIV savage raiding taught me how to multitask and improved my reflexes. Also years of playing MMOs taught me how to touch type and type at 140+ wpm. That's how I got my first job as a data entry clerk.

>>376040657
>finding out obvious shit gets you a PhD

ah yes...social """""sciences""""

>>376046743
It's an excuse to teach for the rest of your life and do pretend research. He can enjoy spending another 4 years for $80k a year, job security, and free classes for his kids I guess.

>>376044454
>Painting
I'd argue in favour of improv theatre because if you pursue improv you WILL end up being a charismatic motherfucker

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>>376040657
I'd probably have good spacial reasoning if I had depth perception.

>>376048393
even in stem you get your PhD for doing simple leg work

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>>376041372
>her face looks familiar
>image search
>exactly who I thought it was
>mfw

>>376045503
>>376046292
I've had a friend getting a job and talking about this in an interview. I don't know why you guys hate your own hobbies so much, as long as you're not a terminal autist you can probably do pretty well for yourself.

>>376047182
>CS-undergrad
As a recent CS graduate, you're exactly why people see us as arrogant, condescending pieces of shit. Go fall off a cliff.

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>>376048307
>FFXIV
>improved my reflexes
What, your reflexes were slower than 2.5 seconds to begin with?

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>>376047182
>PhD in psychology
>unemployable
laughinggirls-male.png

advertisment companies eat psychology shit up like mad. And there's big bux in ads

>>376047841
Kill yourself.

>>376049558
As a healer in savage parties, you're expected to heal and DPS at the same time while juggling every mechanic that happens. There's hardly any downtime at all as a SCH. At level 60 with buffs and melds your GCD should be lower than 2.5, that's not even counting oGCDs or micromanaging your scholar pet to manually heal different specific targets while you pump as much damage out.

>>376049170
>tfw can't take a walk for 5 minutes without finding my way back

>>376032781
I dont pretend its beneficial I just say its fun because I'm not an I secure pussy l>>376032781
ike you.

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>>376033636
>Interviewer asks for an example of when you stepped up to lead
>tell them you managed a guild of over 40 people for four years, assigning roles, and guiding people through content
>tfw interviewer realizes you're more experienced than they are

>>376047182
ahem

http://s-f-walker.org.uk/pubsebooks/2cultures/Rede-lecture-2-cultures.pdf

dealing with a bunch of sick old relatives has made me appreciate video games a lot more recently

if we make it to an advanced age we'll have something to occupy ourselves with when we're bedridden and worn out instead of literally nothing except losing our minds like old people now do

>>376050857
>>tfw interviewer realizes you're more experienced than they are...is what i told myself on the way home after not getting the job

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>>376051454

>>376046718
>only productive hobbies are good

might as well call it a job then

>>376045503
A friend of mine put "In the top 0.53% players in League of Legends" because they reached diamond 4. Probably sounds half decent to a normie interviewer.

>>376052487
You know, when a HR person is going through dozens and dozens of generic applications, suddenly reading such a bizarre sentence might actually be enough to invite the guy who wrote it.
They always say you have to "stand out" in the crowd, you know.

>>376052487
>Probably sounds half decent to a normie interviewer.

no it doesn't,
This is not an accolade fuck off