How would you fix his character

>>376029504
by leaving him the way he is

>>376029504
JUSTice is with Akechi-kun

>>376029504
I wouldn't, I like him just the way he is and was pleasantly surprised with him. Probably my favorite Justice rep in the series.

>Make him playable
>Haru is the traitor

Done.

>>376029504
There's nothing to fix.

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>>376029660
This

We can worry about that when he comes back in P5 Arena.
>"Dies" off-screen
>No body shown
Literally 0% chance of him actually being dead

He should have been a genuine Phantom Thief. He should have started the psychotic breakdowns/mental shutdowns midway through the game, and have it revealed at the end. He used his new phantom thief powers for evil, and against the will of his teammates.

He's so inconsequential besides the whole "IM THE ONE DOING ALL THE BAD SHIT IN THE METAVERSE".

Making him a permanent party member.

He should have been in a cell in the velvet room.

>>376029772
This, Sae even mentions he's gone missing and Protag doesn't even think to tell her they were there when he supposedly got ganked.

>"But we heard you die!"
>"No, you heard some shots go off"

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>>376029660
>>376029742
Delete this. Haru would never betray the team.

>>376030217
Haru was way too trusting of the Phantom Thieves. Considering all that happened she should have been a LOT more worried that they might have killed her father, intentionally or otherwise.

>>376030361
that's because she's a pure angel

Not making him an obvious antagonist is a good start.

Should have made him interact with the group from a much earlier point so it wasn't so obvious that he was the traitor.

>>376030772
Making him actually permanently join instead of that death ass pull would have been more shocking.

>>376030772
But him being bad was never a twist, him being not really bad and really just being another of Shido's victims is the twist. It only works because he's an obvious antagonist.

>>376031076
The best twist was the fact that he got beaten by pancakes

>>376031076
People completely miss the point of cognitive akechi.

>>376029504
Make him a homo love interest and let Joker's penis lovingly pound out his insecurities.

>>376029504

Fucking faggot betrayer asshole I'm glad he got her ass kicked not 1 but twice in a row.

When I choose the bad ending I didn't expect this ass to shoot MC in the head.

>>376031348
>The mask Akechi wore to hide his intentions from Shido is ultimately what kills him

Is this pottery?

>>376030998
Have him come after defeating that coach with that artist guy. his goal is to help lead the team to finish off his father and rule japan with a iron fist.

Rather than just following his father orders to the end then betray him? too risky.

He be part of the scam, pretending to have killed you. he be doing shady shit as well in the background to help his father while leaving things here and there to make shit fall apart right before the election.

Rather than having an antagonist, more like having an anti-hero/anti-villian rival teammate.

>>376029504
Make it so I can marry him. Goro is perfect.

>>376029504

Expensive heart surgery.
Beyond that, just keep exercising and taking his meds.

>>376031797
in simple terms. Don't make him adachi as a villian/foe but as an ally.

You already have shady social links. What one more right?

What he doing and what you doing is the same. Remember all those side missions of fucking with people. He been doing the same thing.

But with....more of a drastic breakdowns. The allies he been gathering have time bombs to break them down as well after a time period. Now world leaders and extremely influential people are confessions crimes and having breakdowns and suicides.

>>376029742
This could be actually interesting
Have the MC be able to romance the antagonist before she is revealed as such, and have it affect the story

>>376029504
should've been a reverse trap

>>376032203
He's not Adachi though.

>>376029660
But he was the most obvious traitor, so much that your retarded team mates caledl it from fucking miles away.

>>376031843
Why don't you follow your husbando to the grave then?

>>376029772
>>376030160
Learn how the Japanese work.

He died in a sealed room after sacrificing himself. The only way he can come back is as a temporary ghost. His death is a 100% death in Japanese story telling.

It's like being on the wrong side of the screen at sunset in a samurai film facing off against a ronin. Guaranteed death.

Now if he was thrown off of a bridge into the water? Then he'd be 100% fine.

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If it was me I wouln't have made him the black mask to begin with, but this is what could be done without any retcons (Short story)

Have him show up in the velvet prison at the end

Lavenza tells you there's one more person here with them but his heart seems to be unwilling of rebellion

You can choose to talk with him if you want to

When you talk with him, he starts telling you about how he knows where he is and that he came here often to talk with "Igor"

How he was given the task to prove humanity's want for enslavement and their selfish nature

"Igor" would then grant him a place where he would be revered by everyone (in a genuine manner)

This spoke to him and his abandonment issues (and naïveté) so he accepted the offer and was granted his Persona ability

At this point he has had the time to reflect on his actions and feels like he is undeserving of leaving the cell

MC then asks him if that is what he really wants, Akechi then hesitates and tells you to leave him alone and that he deserves to be "forgotten"

Futaba and Haru start calling him weak and tell him that he doesn't deserve to avoid responsibility after all he's done

He then falls quiet, unresponsive to any taunt/interaction

Morgana asks him if he wants to set things right, if he truly believes that he was a victim in this

Akechi says that nothing he can do will fix anything, Ryuji calls him a dumbass and tells him that his actions are why they're in this mess to begin with and that he owes them his help
(Ryuji: I don't give an eff about how sorry you feel for yourself, now stop whining and help us put an end to this crazy shit)

Akechi chuckles and you hear a chain snap(metaphorical chain SYMBOLISM)
Akechi: I guess this really is my fault isn't it, then so be it, I'll put an end to this

You unlock the world Arcana (To represent the journey to fulfillment, wholeness, and harmony)

Akechi joins your party for the final part, at the end he testifies instead of you and goes to prison.

>>376031797
>>376032203
Why the fuck would Garma ever beat Char? You're literally missing the point. Goro was doomed due to the misfortune of his birth and Shido never betrayed anyone in his life.

>>376032727
I really liked the fact that literally none of your party believed his shit for a second.

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>Dresses like Char
>Wears the helmet of Principality
>Took excerpts from the Dakar speech for his campaign
>Has three times more turns than the average person
>Has three forms
>Rides a golden lion made up of 100 bodies
>the lion has three forms too
>third form of the lion turns into a mega bazooka launcher
>transforms into his second form with ZAKU for a henshin sound effect
>transforms into his third for with SAZAAABI for his henshin sound effect
>has a special kick attack
>wears sunglasses in public
>abused newtype like psychic powers and the people who had them
>never betrayed anyone in his life
>doesn't dwell on the mistakes of youth
>his bastard son only has the misfortune of his birth to blame
>came to laugh at you
>is voiced by Ikeda
>got beat up by a young guy with fuzzy hair
>same fuzzy haired guy beats the final boss with a last shooting through the head

Has there ever been a more complete Char clone?

>>376032868
But Garma did beat Char in the most recent Gundam anon.

>>376029504
Let me fuck his boypucci.

>>376032990
Don't forget
>Master plan is to let the world go to ruin and just save the chosen few
>All his high minded rhetoric is bullshit and he's just doing everything for himself

I like him too.

>>376033462
>the ignorant masses have souls weighed down by cognition
>the metaverse is for metaversenoids

>>376032990
>is voiced by Ikeda
Here's the best part: his English VA voiced Char too.

>>376032990
>>376033462
You faggot like shitty ass anime,so go fuck yourselves

I get the feeling they'll make a Goro lives route in Crimson, where he takes your place and testifies against Shido, thus giving you 1 1/2 more months of game with a bonus dungeon.

Just cut out the pancakes shit entirely or edit it heavily to make it less fucking glaring. It's too late now though.

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>>376032990
you forget

>char and kira yamato
>beaten by lelouch

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>they didn't get the scene

>>376029504
Ryuji is the traitor.

He is set up to want fame and fortune the entire game. He reveals to the world who the phantom thieves are.

>>376034406
That looks like bullshit but I'll believe it.

>>376034406
What does the dialog say in real language?

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>>376029504
By having him pass his Persona down to us before he dies. Look at that sick fucking design that was used for all of 20 minutes. He better be in some spinoffs so I can get more Loki,

>>376034497
Something along the lines of "I'm very glad I got to meet you".

>>376034140
It's not the same. Keith is only Origin Char.

Kopsa did television and CCA Char. Blum did movie trilogy Char. Tom Edwards did Zeta Char/Quattro.

>>376034397
That literally doesn't apply to the joke.

>>376034406

What is this Return of the Jedi remastered bullshit?

>>376032490
Zevran is the cutest <3

>>376034624
I know, but I think it's great they made the effort to try to keep the joke.

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>>376034576
>Personas are Robin Hood and Loki
>most identifiable tricksters in myth
>comes with holy/curse spells
>and a single target severe damage spell
>best all out attack scene
>second best costume(s)
>only usable for one palace
Akechi would have been a mainstay in my party for sure.

>>376034576
I hope that the persona fighting game gets a sequel.

Atlus made enough money from it and the sequel. Add that and maybe a Persona 1/2 characters into the mix and some new characters.

>>376034975
>second best costume(s)
What? His costume is the worst. His mask alone looks retarded as fuck.

It's such a stupid character really.

In real life, everyone would think he's an annoying prick. Like imagine you read an internet article about this teenager who thinks he's a star detective. You'd roll your eyes and write a comment calling him a fag. Dude would never get to go on celebrity TV shows and school speaking events. The teenagers at school would especially think he's a dweeb.

Not to mention, it's actually really stupid and out of character to make yourself a local celebrity when you have a past you're trying to be secretive about. All it would take is a couple of buzzfeed journalists to uncover the paper trail to Shido, and that's if the police wouldn't do so first (I'd assume they'd at least be somewhat interested in a 17 year old who's solving high-profile cases by himself.)

His backstory is contrived and didn't make me sympathize with him. People in the series have gone through far much more and not stooped to his level. Adachi, while a twisted psychopath, I could at least see some parts of myself in him (being a lonely young-adult lost in a world that doesn't give a shit about you) so I was able to kind of sympathize with his struggles. But Akechi was just an emo fag.

I can excuse some silly shit in the persona, but at least in Persona 4 the characters tried to be somewhat grounded in reality and people behaved like you'd sort of expect them to. A character like Akechi relies on a fictional world to exist.

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>>376029504
His character is perfect. If I were to change anything he'd be the third party member to join, there would be no mention of a traitor at the beginning, and he would be included in more promotional art and trailers. I'd want him to be there a while so his betrayal hurts

>>376035050
The beak is cool. Ryuji's is the worst with his retarded spinal column and kneepads. I also forgot
>codename is fucking Crow

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>>376029504
>make Jap Elliot Rodgers the actual black mask
>use Goro as a Red Herring to fool the player
>all of Goro's dickhead sly actions throughout the game and he ultimately shows he's not a bad guy

I feel like this would have had more impact. Doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the plot though. Just could have had more twist surprise.

>>376032857
I like this a lot. Well done.

>>376034975
And don't forget that Arsene and Robin Hood are weak to each others element to round out the POTTERY

>>376035036
I hope it doesn't. I fucking hate fighting games.

>>376034576
>that Loki

Was seriously my favorite. I hope he becomes available in some way. Hell I hate DLC and I would pay for him.

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How would you fix this character?

>>376032857
This is actually perfect. Why isn't Altus giving you money

>>376035145
His in-universe popularity makes sense with a nip audience.

>>376029504
Make Mishima the killer and have Goro be a massive red herring.

>>376035720
too similar to adachi

>>376035813
Then just make it so Mishima's "i'm such a loser :---D" thing was all an act. Have a bit of foreshadowing by making it so you aren't able to find his shadow during that one part of his SLink.

>>376035912
>Then just make it so Mishima's "i'm such a loser :---D" thing was all an act.
But now it's just literally Adachi.

>>376034397
Lelouch IS a Char.

>>376032857
Nice. But kinda sad since in the end, he's all alone again while the PT go vacation together on their own.

>>376032990
Completely forgot to include the nutty eco-terrorist part of Char.

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You've already made him a light clone so why not make him actually intelligent as well?


His goal was dumb as fuck and the way he slipped up with the pancakes didn't make sense unless you're dumb as shit.

>>376036058
He'd get released because no proof and a kid.

>>376035429
Have him murder more than two bitches at the very beginning. He had the perfect serial killer personality without any of the actual serial killing.

>>376036058
>Feeling sad for the fucker who was responsible for more than 80+ people of casualty and two deaths of the PT's parents
Get a load of this faggot

>>376036406
Does the PT accept him back to the group though?

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Pic related should have been the traitor. Think Elliot Rodger with superpowers.

>>376032990
>never betrayed anyone in his life
Except for the SIU director and the principal and probably some other conspirators who he threw under the bus when they outlived their usefulness. He was also planning to put Goro in the ground as soon as he took office.

Make him an actual lawfag instead of pussying out at the last minute.

It also would have been cool if he showed up throughout the whole game wearing a mask, like an actual mask that hides his face, and battles you.

Facing a rival wild card user with different personas throughout the game is a cool concept.

>>376036470
Well if he want to change to be a better person why not?

>>376036642
Regret doesn't invalidate all of your past crimes.

>>376036641
> Make him an actual lawfag instead of pussying out at the last minute.

This is another good option. The Javert/Judge Dredd of Persona.

>>376036383
He is dumb. The whole ace detective thing was just him solving shit he set up himself. He can get good grades at school and seems to have a clever streak, but in the end his mind's too clouded by his daddy revenge fantasy.

>>376036617
It's not betrayal if he never really trusted them and intended to dispose of them in the first place. At least, that's how char sees it

>>376036752
I know I know. Doesn't mean you have to keep shitting on him if he's trying to change or make up for everything.

>>376036642
Its easier to talk like this when you wasn't a victim from him.

Bet you wouldn't say the same shit about isis niggas

>>376036470
The one responsible for that is Shido. The game is clear about this do you fags just ignore the game or what?

>>376036829
That's why he's a plain ass boring character

His whole backstory needs to be scrapped because his motive is retarded as fuck

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>>376037009
>Goro did nothing wrong he was ordered to kill people
>literally offered his service for the sake of muh revenge

>>376037056
His character made perfect sense in the context of the story, but it's not something that translates well to westerners.

>>376036909
Then he should be serving time like every other people. How many lives has he taken away and you wanna say he should go on a trip with PT? Fuck outta here.

>>376037009
Stop damage controlling. Akechi did everything by his own two hands and wasn't brainwashed in to doing it. He was never forced in to being a lap dog

>>376037009
Do you skip the game and go straight to read the plot online? Goro is the only one capable of entering the Metaverse to cause mental breakdowns. Shido allows his ASSISTANCE, Goro is willing to harm other people if that can help him get closed to his daddy.

>>376037009
Akechi is not blameless, and everyone knows it and say as much. But he was made into a gun, Shido was the one pulling the trigger. Which is why I think his end is appropriate.

>>376030772
Goddam pancakes

Even he's gonna turned himself in, it's rendered useless now since Shidou already took the blame for everything. The police would just kick him out cause they're thinking he want to cover his ass. Mementos and Palaces are already disappeared so there's nothing to prove anyways. He might can testify for Shidou like Joker did but it's pretty much redundant since Joker himself already testified.

>>376037056
>his motive is retarded as fuck
That's the whole point. That's why the team reacts the way they do and tries to get him to come along with them to repent.

>>376037148
Shido manipulated him, it's plainly stated.

In the end he was a broken kid desperately wanting to be special, accepted and loved. Of course he is not guilt free, but the real culprit is Shido.

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>>376029742

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>all these faggots defending a terrorist

Post Joker with gun in the last boss fight, i need this pic, please.

>>376029772
If he was dead I would have thought his body would turn up in some weird place like the people that got killed in the TV World in P4.

How will Crimson recon the story so Goro isnt actually directly responsible for any crimes?

>>376037290
>That's the whole point.

It was boring. I was expecting a much more interesting dynamic with Akechi and Joker and in the end this little bitch is even more pathetic than Adachi

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>>376037281
>The police would just kick him out cause they're thinking he want to cover his ass. Mementos and Palaces are already disappeared so there's nothing to prove anyways.
You know, all this talk about proving the story just made me think: can't the literal hundreds of cops Akechi took into the metaverse testify against him? What happened to those guys, anyway? Do they occasionally hear Morgana around town too?

>>376037340
>Shido manipulated him, it's plainly stated.
Actually both of them used each other, but Goro was less experienced in acting. He chose to side with Shido, did the fucking requests to approach Shido and even after Joker's fake death, he still wanted to kill his team mates. Bless that fag die. Good riddance.

>>376037249
>Then he should be serving time like every other people.
Seems he can't go to prison or get charged because of this >>376036406 and this >>376037281

Maybe some kind of Psychiatric rehabilitation would help him.

>>376037586
They'll say that Futaba's mom was actually killed by Shido driving the car and Haru 's dad by yabbadabadooo

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>Quiz question about Crows shortly before the whole plot with Akechi starts
>Crows are thought of as evil
>"CROWS ARE SCARY LET ME TELL YA"-Morgana
>Akechi's codename is crow.

A little on the nose. But a given considering "KAMOSHIDA THINKS OF THE SCHOOL AS HIS CASTLE. ISN'T IT DISGUSTING? LOOK AT HIM HE'S WEARING A CROWN AND EVERYTHING!"

>>376032857
would fit perfectly into crimson story wise, but its a bit late in the game to matter.

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>>376037520
Anyone, please?

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>>376037682
>Bless that fag die
You wish. He's coming back for spinoff and there's nothing you can't do about it anon!

>>376037340
>>376037268
Shido is just the guy who pulls the strings.

Akechi was the one who willingly helped him. Don't try this bullshit when he was not forced at any time to do his bidding. He killed people for his own goal to help shido so he could kill him at his climax.

The guy literally had Futaba's life ruined and you wanna act like he doesn't deserve 90% of the blame? Pfft apologists

>>376037674
They forget anything related to the Metaverse after Yaldabaoth is defeated.

>>376036470

>Killing bad people is wrong

>>376034576
>redesign loki to be cool as fuck mix of law/chaos
>give him to the biggest loser in the entire series
WHYYYYYYYYY

>>376035156
Yep.

Also make him a girl. To really hurt those waifu lovers.

>>376038105
>Futaba's mom was bad
>The driver of that subway car and all the passengers on board were bad
??????

>>376037847
Persona is as subtle as a truck crashing on your ass, yet there's still several idiots in this thread that don't get the story the game is trying to tell (regardless of how you feel about said story)

>>376037912
Eh. Not like it's my loss since I already beat him at his own game. I also enjoy pancake memes.

>>376038105
>All people are bad
Edgy as fuck.

>>376038105
that train conductor and all those passangers were literally hitler too huh

>>376038237
>>376038281

Why did they have palaces then?

>>376037902
They can add a true final dungeon so you get to use him more.

>>376035390
You'll probably get to use him in the re-release. They allow Yu to use Adachi's Persona in Golden, after all.

I thought Makoto was the traitor

am I just retarded?

Like I caught the pancake slip up when it happened but I didn't really think much of it

>>376038331
mementos my nig

>>376038276
>I already beat him at his own game
Good for you! I'm gonna enjoy playing him again in the spinoff

>>376036829
He reminds me of that mutated hank clone from venture bros who wanted to be loved by rusty.

>>376038331
THEY didn't. The driver must have had a Shadow which was probably just in Menentos. All the other people died when Goro made the guy crash the train.

>>376038331
Futaba had a palace, you idiot.

>>376037847
Well even if they be saying that, it makes sense for them to explain that to a friend.

If you were in that situation and you saw the castle and the crown, would you just keep your mouth shut?

>>376038331
Nigga you are retarded, he couldn't even figure out Sae's palace words

>>376037935
The game LITERALLY tells you it's Shido's fault. Heck FUTABA herself blames Shido.

It's how the game was written regardless of your opinion.

>>376038378
>>376038412

Don't they only appear in mementos if they did bad things too?

Otherwise they would have been in jail at the bottom.

>>376038340
maybe give back the 3 months between christmas and april.
Perhaps replace joker with goro as the leader and have them steal the heart of some corrupt warden whos giving joker hell? at that point theyd have lost their power though.

>>376038504
No. Futaba had a Shadow because of misplaced guilt. Having a Shadow does not automatically equal being evil. And even IF the driver was secretly Hitler, that doesn't excuse the deaths of all the other people on the train.

>>376038464

That's irrelevant, we know for a fact he was in palaces before, he want to Haru's dad's palace, and the mafia boss tells you he used palaces for his own gain.

>>376038378
>>376038504
shit, sorry im retarded. I completely forgot that goro had the power to make people go psycho. kind of an asspull now that I think about it.

>>376038276
>I also enjoy pancake memes.
I'm going to murder you and everyone like you when the eventual crossover game comes and I have to sit through a scene of Akechi and Adachi arguing over which food is superior.

>>376038434
I get that but they still kind of hit you over the head with the symbolism they're going for a little.

>>376038594

Was it Akechi's fault he chose then of all times to drop dead?

>>376038484
Yeah because Shido DIRECTLY caused Wakaba to have a mental breakdown right at the perfect moment when she was crossing the road. Because Shido could enter the Metaverse right ? Go drink bleach retard.

>>376038656
>not eating a sandwich of cabbage between two pancakes

>>376038484
She blames Shido because he ordered her death, but Goro was still the one who pulled the trigger.

>>376029504
Make Futaba's dad be the real killer and master mind behind Shido's pursuit of politics.

>>376038772
>>376038656
I never played p4, but I watched the anime. What is this cabbage meme?

>>376029504
Turn him into a girl. Seriously, female villain when?

>>376038656
Obviously a healthy diet requires both food. Too bad both of them aren't mentally healthy.

>>376038757
Go read the game you fucking aspie. The game was written with Shido as the culprit. You're acting like a SJW by negating facts with muh feelings.

Clearly Akechi should be considered to blame, but the game doesn't hold him responsible and instead gets treated as a pitiful tool.

>>376038484
>The game LITERALLY tells you it's Shido's fault

>Akechi willingly murders people FOR shido which he states
>Akechi only helped Shido because he wanted to kill him when he's reached the top which he stated
>this dumb as fuck anon keep pretending Shido was actually in control of Akechi when he just had this servant who willingly helped him

You can keep trying to be an apologist but Akechi did all the murders with his own hands with his own will

>>376039078
It's not me who's pretending jfc read the fucking game. It's how it was written regardless of your headcanons.

>>376038952
adachi got a bunch of cabbage from some old skank, so it bacame a meme and ruined his character in Q

>>376039179
>headcanons
>when everything i said are literal facts within the game

Go drink bleach

>>376039042
>>376039179
>(You)
>Reading comprehension

I bet the same people who blame Akechi for all the deaths are the same fags who claim Ken killed Shinji.

>>376039078
>the game beats your head over and over again with scenes that are supposed to make you feel bad about Akechi
>Hurrr no the game said he was a murderer!!1

I don't like pancake man and even I can see the angle the game was trying to take with him.

>>376035156
I agree that he should join earlier to make the betrayal more relevant, but I disagree heavily in there being no mention of a traitor. The whole point of it being mentioned is to have you wondering all of the game who is going to be. It's just that further steps could have been made to accentuate that further, but what you're proposing it is to remove it completely.

>>376039415
So what

How does this change the fact that he was an actual murderer with his own intentions? You're talking as if I'm making up shit. Don't matter if the game poorly tried to make you feel sorry for him when in the end he still did what he did.

>>376039415
You are supposed to feel for him, but not forgive him or let him shirk responsibility. He willingly killed people for his own gains. The party explicitly does NOT forgive him, but understand how he got to be that way.

>>376039401
>Akechi
Willingly took lives with his own hands
>Ken
Indirectly caused the circumstances leading to Shinji's death
I don't fucking think so, tardo

>>376035429
>>376036412

desu his murder method simply wasn't personal enough so it didn't really feel like he was actually murdering anyone. Just dumping people into a tv is kind of lame and puts too many layers between the act and the dying.
Akechi's method of killing had him involved enough in the act to feel like he was a serial killer. it's just that he was lamer in every other aspect.

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Anyone else thought that Crow was supposed to be a reference to Kuro (黒) which means BLACK

I know there's a bunch of other reasons why Crow was chosen but when I heard Crow in english, my first reaction was "Oh as in Kuro, as in black. Very clever you cunts"

The irony being his meta-clothes being WHITE etccc

>>376039401
Akechi pulled the trigger on people, Ken never did anything like that. In fact it's considerably easier to feel for Ken then it is for Akechi. Ken has his reasons, misguided as they may be and then witnesses Shinji sacrificing himself for his own sake. Something like that leaves someone with a mixture of emotions.

>>376039401
The problem stems from the fact that Shido's motivation for killing is actually more respectable than Akechi's.

Both are for selfish, personal reasons but Akechi is literally insane

>Has the Justice Arcana
>In the wrong

Sorry son of man, YOU'RE in the wrong.

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>>376029504
I've finally realized why he seemed so familiar

>>376039898

It's actually a Persona 2 reference.

>Adachi is a manchild who murders people for dumb reasons and we aren't supposed to feel sympathy for him

>Akechi is a manchild who murders people for dumb reasons and we ARE supposed to feel sympathy for him

Damn Fujos.

>>376036383
>the way he slipped up with the pancakes didn't make sense unless you're dumb as shit.

He wasn't in the room while he was listening to that conversation so he couldn't possibly have known the voice came from the cat. The problem with the scene wasn't anything Akechi did. It's just that you're supposed to miss that detail for it to work, but it's impossible to miss it. It's in fact so obvious you'd naturally think it's red herring. But no it's just as it is.

>>376039989
It's Tarot, he represents reverse Justice

His fixation with revenge fits it, he also isn't a lawfag at all

Remove him from the game. Philemon and Yaldy's bet could have gone on fine without him, and the only thing he added to the plot was a halfassed in media res story that framed the entire first 75% of the game in such a way that felt worthless.

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>people will unironically defend Akechi but shit on this Gawd

>>376040162

It's only dumb because Atlus rewrote his character at the last minute because he wasn't evil enough.

>>376040175
>He wasn't in the room while he was listening to that conversation so he couldn't possibly have known the voice came from the cat

He was listening from the get go when the cat mentioned the pancakes and then he should have recognised the cats voice, from there the cast went on to describing who was the one who spoke and should have been obvious it was the cat there. But nah he's dumb as shit and forgot

>>376039078
>>376040162
Adachi is an adult that got butthurt from being demoted after acting like a retard
Aketchi is a teen got fucked his entire life and became a psycho cause there was no one to teach him how to be normal.
Akechi is the type of guy that would be an hero, but since he got magical powers he when even deeper into insanity.

>>376039042
>>376039179
>admits that he went and killed for Shido in order to eventually take revenge
>tool
Akechi clearly didn't think of himself as a fucking tool of Shido.

>yfw the spinoff retcon his personality because someone or something messed up with his mind and memory

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>>376033065

IBO isn't so great, but those scenes were absolutely amazing.

>>376040473
Okay but he still is a murderer

Futaba had it worse but unlike Akechi she knew what it was to have a nice life until it was all taken away from her

>You don't need to have a Persona to hear Morgana speak, you just need to hear him once in the Metaverse.

They should have taken Sae and Sojiro in to the Metaverse so they could hold conversations near the end of the game as opposed to a random meowing chiming in once in a while.

>>376040898
Easily the most redeemable part of IBO's shit writing
>tfw almost choked up like a bitch when he was shouting at choco-man not to call him a friend/brother otherwise he might feel tempted forgive him

>>376029504
Give him a normal ass social link like every other party member rather than one based on story progression. Try harder to sell his joining the phantom thieves. Somehow make it so you don't remember the extremely similar betrayal from P4.

His character is fine, but they really did not sell any sense of mystery as to who the traitor was due to poor interface/presentation.

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>>376039415
Do you think all the tragic backstory he got completely counteracts the fact that he was a serial killer who helped his revenge target and didn't care if society went down with him?
Hell, Akechi had other ways to take revenge.
We had a fucking retard who thought that Akechi killing many innocent people to ruin Shido was better than either just killing Shido (because Shido wins???) or Phantom Thieves changing Shido's heart.

>>376029504
Get rid of that Faggot ass Argyle sweater

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>>376039415
I think the point is that the game didn't succeed in making people feel bad for him.

I'm also one of those people who thinks that Haru should have been reacting to this entire thing differently. Pic related is how she reacts to everything that happens in the game, basically the exact opposite of how you'd expect a normal person to react.

>Forgives Akechi just like the rest of the cast
>Still trusts the PT completely after watching that press conference when she literally has no reason to. I'm not saying that she doesn't have to join eventually but there's no push from her at all from her.

>>376040208

Demiurge isn't Nyarlathotep

>>376041562
>Forgives Akechi just like the rest of the cast
Dude what? She literally said she doesn't forgive him, but she understand his motives.

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>>376041562
>Haru
>normal person
She's the scariest girl of the main four. I don't want to cross paths with her.

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How would you fix this character?

>>376041434

I never said that, I said his method to get rid of Shido was more satisfying and just than the Phantom Thieves brainwashing.

>>376041814
Give her hairstyle to makoto

>>376041841
So what you're saying is that you don't believe the Phantom Thieves are JUST?

>>376041841
A more satisfying maybe, but don't try and pull this Just bullshit. He literally admitted that he didn't give a shit about justice at all

>>376041841
His method to get rid of his daddy is to kill his cognitive self/ make it go berserk. How is that JUST compared to stealing the source of distorted desires and making real Shido atone for his crimes ?

>>376041765
And doesn't get upset at all when the cast asks for them to join forces.
"I'll never forgive you" is such a hamfisted response too. Haru is retarded and shouldn't be in the game if they can't make her react to things she should react to.

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>>376029504

Make Mishima the killer and not him.

It makes far too much sense for it to be Mishima and not Akechi after the full year has played out.

>>376042067
No.
See, that's the sane plan.
Goro's plan is even more retarded. He wants to drag Shido's name through the mud by revealing he's the bastard son who killed many people for him and use it to put him through a living hell.

>>376041971

It's better than erasing Shido's very existence and replacing him with a different person who did nothing wrong at all.

>>376042067

Again, at least the killed Shido got to die as himself, and not a completely different person.

And even when Goro made people go mad, they at least went back to normal the moment he arrested them.

>>376041458
Name a pattern better than argyle. You can't.

>>376042315

No, his plan was to blow Shido the fuck out so hard he killed himself from the shame.

>>376041562
She explicitly says she can't forgive him, but that she sympathizes with what happened to him. Which is what everyone is supposed to do, you're not supposed to forgive him you're supposed to want to help him atone.

>>376042392
Paisley

>>376042251
>And doesn't get upset at all when the cast asks for them to join forces.
It's more like clarity, they understand his pain, but he's still have the responsible for what he did. Join forces means the get more manpower to take down Shidou. Probably they try to convince him to turn himself in after everything's done.

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>I'm supposed to believe Akechi would be able to kill this

>>376042273

It would be pretty ok if Goro was just a traitor while Mishima is the real killer

>>376042568
>they understand his pain

Yeah, understand someone you hardly known till then. Especially when you've had people who had it worse in his team.

It would have been more sense the team laughed at him

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>>376041876

>>376042581
To be fair, its not like any of them knew how strong Shido really was.

>>376037847
>WE FOUND SOME GOOD COFFEE IN A THERMOS WHEN YOU GOT CAUGHT
>OBVIOUSLY IT WAS TOO WELL MADE FOR A MERE STUDENT LIKE YOU TO BREW IT
>WHO TAUGHT YOU? TELL ME!

>>376042765
holy shit

>>376042324
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DIMWIT.

How could you even justify the collateral damage Goro did throughout the game was better than any damage the thieves did?
Oh good, the madman who killed people because of Goro got him mind back. Now he is looking towards a lifetime of jail or worse. And Japanese jails are essentially boot camps.
That doesn't include the people Goro personally killed, and THEY don't get their minds back because they're dead.
The fact that you think Goro killing so many people just for revenge on his dad is more just than Phantom Thieves brainwashing one person to admit his horrible crimes shows everyone how horribly backward your morals are.

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>>376042765
>Makoto and Futaba

Holy shit, they went from 0 to 11

>>376042695
>Yeah, understand someone you hardly known till then
The same shit goes to the rest of PT previously. Before some of them join, they hardly know the PT, until they try to understand the pain they gone trough. Goro is no different, but he went down to the worst that cause suffering for everyone. He's still has to atone his sin, same as the rest of the villain, albeit trough persuasion because they cannot steal his heart.

>It would have been more sense the team laughed at him
Then they become hypocrite if they do this.

>>376043160
>Now he is looking towards a lifetime of jail or worse. And Japanese jails are essentially boot camps.

Nah
>>376036406
>>376037281

>>376042392
Houndstooth

>>376043160
>and THEY don't get their minds back because they're dead

They get their minds back in the afterlife, which is confirmed to exist in the SMT universe.

>>376043327
I mean the people who murdered others while under his berserk spell.

>>376037847
Akechi double crossing them wasn't the actual twist, it was learning how the group already knew that and pulled off that grand as fuck ruse.

>>376043423
Oh that? Don't worry, Shidou will take responsible of that.

>>376043527
I don't think even Shido knows how many people Goro affected.
Goro could have caused more deaths to drum up his own popularity.

>>376037281
Then why Adachi goes to the bar when the police don't have a proof of anything related to Midnight Channel and immediately take his confession?

>>376043230
>before some of them join, they hardly know the PT

But you atleast spend months with them and they all have s links that aren't mere auto advances

Goro you legit don't know jack shit until you fight him.

Goro didn't have it easier than all of the PT's heck futaba had it much worse but he still chose some bitch ass retarded plan that clearly wouldn't have worked out so in the end he killed all those people for nothing.

How would they be hypocrites? Guy was retarded and chose to be used as a tool for an evil adult and tried to dish out a sob story in one go to a team who some have had it worse, made no sense for them to not seem him as pathetic because unlike all the others, he chose for all of this to lead up until then

>>376043749
>I don't think even Shido knows how many people Goro affected.
Even he don't know, he's still gonna responsible for it since he know that he's the one who ordered their deaths.

Remove him and come up with something more creative instead of some reused garbage

>>376029504
Add FeMC option, make him P5's Shinjiro.

>>376044043
Shinjiro didn't betray SEES or become a murderer, what the fuck are you smoking ?

>>376044157

He killed Ken's mom.

>>376044421
That wasn't his fault, Shinjiro had problems controlling his Persona. Akechi willingly murdered people. This is the second time someone has compared the two games like this and it really doesn't make much sense.

>>376043870
Not as bad as the actual killer

>>376044563

>Believing Shinji's lies

>>376044157
I meant getting his death downgraded to severe injury if romanced.

>>376044421
No he didn't purposely murdered her. He killed her by accident. The difference is very clear. I don't want this to be compared with a retarded faggot who is having both pancakes and daddy issues.

>>376043804
Well he was retarded because he's been alone in the entire life and never have any good influence (remember that he's a bastard son, a stigma in Japan), so he doesn't think that his action would cause bad repercussion because no one actually try to convince or stop him. Only when he start to consider his action once he met Joker and the PT, but even then is already too late too back out because of Shidou. That's why his backstory is no different from the PT, an outcast and pushed away by society but already gone the bad way, hence the sympathy.

Hell even Yusuke said that if were not for the PT, he would go down the same path as him.

I kinda also blame the society too for creating people like Goro because of the bastard children stigma.

>>376044616
>Not as bad as the actual killer
What the fuck are you smoking? Even if Goro is gone or something he will just find replacement that actually worse than him. This guy is the most dangerous since he literally gonna fuck up Japan.

>>376031843
This. I just want the option to make him MC-kun's bitch.

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>>376029504
With my love

>>376039513
I only bring it up because the game makes it completely obvious that Goro is the traitor. They wouldn't have to if they were able to make you doubt multiple characters and make Goro less obvious. I just wish it would've actually been a shock. I wanted it to be that they had all opened up and gained each other's trust so his betrayal was unexpected and personal

>>376045521
Goro would make the neediest little attic wife.

>>376029504
I would only do one of two things:

1. No more CUUURAAAZY Goro. Have him be a calm, cold and polite killer all the time. Change his motivation so that he actually believes that what he's doing is "justice" because he believes in Shido's plan.

or

2. Goro really does go batshit insane after using his berzerk powers on himself, and cut out his bizzare "redemption" scene where he saves the MC for no stupid reason. Have him die by killing himself and trying to take the MC with him.

>>376046798
>No more CUUURAAAZY Goro
Rejected.