Will anyone buy this?

Me

>>376028996

Yeah. I will buy a game I already own.

I might, to give it another chance. I gave away my original copy.

>>376028996
me, borrowed it from a friend when I was much younger and had to give it back. gonna play the shit out of this

>>376028996
Never played it so yeah, once it reaches ~$20 around black friday like FFX

>>376028996
Yes, because I don't want to have to dig out my PS2 to play it. And the job system looks like a nice addition. Also I'm nostalgic for that music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgvaZ1F7Ox8

I will buy it just to use Scourge, Ardour, and Flare all at once.

me, but when it is at 20€ like i did with FF X/X-2

>>376028996
I want this and 10 on switch.

How comfy that would be.

>>376028996
Of course. It's the best version of the best mainline.

Without question. XII is my favourite Final Fantasy.

>>376028996
If you still can't emulate PS2 games somehow, but own a ps4, this will be your first time to actually buy 12 in about 11 years.
And it's a really fun FF game with a fuckload to do.

>>376028996
Yep, it's one of the few good ff.

>>376028996
I'm considering it, though i think i will wait for a deal

>decide to finally emulate IZJS
>play it a bit between other games
>literally a week later this gets announced
>drop it and wait for this instead

Never played it and I'm too lazy to emulate.

So yeah.

>>376028996
I'll wait for the 30th Anniversary huge pack with all the games for ps4. And sell the physical shit to pay for it because I'm no THAT much of a weeb.

might be my entry to the series

>>376029194
It would actually be really nice to have a portable FFXII. Although I wish they had trophies on Switch, I know they're cancer and pointless but occasionally on big games it motivates me to 100% them
I wish more games had the early Ratchet and Clank style achievements, that were mostly just silly side stuff that you wouldn't have done otherwise

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>>376028996
I mean, I've already bought it like three times and pirated it once.

So, yeah...

>>376028996

Anyone who would buy this is spending $50 for slightly better graphics. If they cared about the gameplay, they would have emulated it during the past 10 years. That, or they're too dumb to figure out emulation which is even worse.

Already did

I'm hype as fuck for it

>>376030293
Dumb piratefag, at least read the fucking thread before dumping your shit here.

>>376030293
>dumb to figure out emulation which is even worse.

Does saying that make you feel better?

Emulation actually doesn't appeal to a lot of people.

>>376028996
Me.

>>376030293
I dont really enjoy emulating games. Juat doesnt feel as satisfying and authentic as playing it on the console it was intended for. Kind of feels like cheating.

Matsuno games = instant buy, evern if they're ports

>>376030293
i have a great PC that could emulate it, but you can't admit that sometimes emulation is a pain in the ass. Sometimes you just want to sit down with a fully functional product that you don't have to work for in the slightest, and that's fucking worth my money

>>376030585

I did read the thread, here's a summary:
>I gave away my copy, and I forgot emulation existed.
>I don't want to dig out my PS2, and I forgot emulation existed.
>I'm too lazy to download an iso and run it through PCSX2.

It's been on my list of things to play for a while. IZJS is really bad for a normal playthrough, but there are probably some decent challenges within due to the job system.

>>376030761

This isn't 2002 anymore; you'd spend more effort actually purchasing it than you would downloading an iso.

>>376030978
Dumb piratefag, I have the game emulated. It's an amazing game, one of my favorites of all time. I don't give a shit if I sound like a shill, I wanna support the people who made the game, and considering they're back to work on TZA buying this means I will be supporting them. Not to mention there's slight differences between TZA and IZJS so it's doesn't mean shit that I can emulate IZJS.

Also I'm a sucker for steelbooks. Anyways, fuck off.

>>376028996
Wouldn't pay $50. They're nuts for asking that, but I'll get it eventually.
I'm looking forward to the camera controls being fixed. That's the only reason I don't want to play the original.

>>376029183
Job system wasn't very good, way too limiting. Luckily, they let us have 2 for this version.

>>376030293
I only emulate up to 5th gen because of my accuracy autism. I'll wait another 5+ years until full LLE PS2 is possible.

>>376029969
>Although I wish they had trophies on Switch,

not only you my friend! not only you. The only thing I miss from leaving sony is the platinum trophy. Sometimes I like a game and try to get platinum.

>>376031956
>Luckily, they let us have 2 for this version.
I don't know how to interpret that. Can you use the vanilla board as well as the job board?

>>376032392
You get two jobs per character.

Why would anyone buy the subpar PS4 version when the definitive edition is coming out on steam?

>>376032560
Oh. Well, that's kinda nice.

>>376032610
This honestly. SE seems intent on bringing the entire franchise over to PC (though those SNES era ports are atrocious with those mobile version sprites). Hopefully it doesn't take ages but I'm also not exactly in a rush to replay it.

I ordered the collector's edition for the Judge busts.

>>376031969
Mate, it isn't the year 1285 anymore.

>>376032903
What are you trying to say?

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>>376032894
JUDGE BUSTS!

I want 4K Ashe thighs on PC. I'll buy it for Steam day1.

She's way too sexual to be forgotten in time.

I wasn't planning on it because I replayed it late last year.
Then I saw the steelbook edition and heard you can assign two jobs per character, now, so I guess I have to.

Did anyone else get it while there was a price error on Amazon? I pre-ordered the steelbook for like $25. Hopefully they don't cancel it.

>>376032903
PCSX2 is reliant on hacks, that hasn't changed.

>>376029924

never gonna happen anon

>>376031486

> get email from Amazon telling me it's being released
> press the 1 click buy button

wow so difficult.

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>>376033161

>>376029924
>selling your games makes you less of a weeb
What the fuck am I reading? Do you know what weeb means?

>>376028996
I've been waiting for years

>>376032610

personally, there are certain games I always play on specific systems

Resident Evilike
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy

all belong on Playstation

>>376033390

how much is it usually in US?

it's a budget title over here in UK - £24 on Amazon

>>376034108
I think it's normally $50

>>376031682
>dumb piratefag
>I have pirated the game already
hmmm

>>376030293
Piratefags, never hesitating to display their arrogance.

>>376033468
And they're all built in. You literally just check the boxes.

>>376035035
That isn't my point.

>>376028996
I loved FFXII, but not gonna get it on PS4
On Steam probably

What sort of changes are in this version aside from graphics. I never played the first one, would any kind anon care to explain whats different?

>>376035351
An absolutely abhorrent job system (not the first appearance of it, it was also in a japanese only release of the PS2 version) that does nothing but limit the possibilities you had in vanilla. Some other stuff like a turbo mode and they made one of the rarer weapons easier to obtain. It's mostly stuff that was in the Japanese IZJS but we're getting for the first time outside of emulation. I think they're remastering the audio but I don't have a source on hand.

>>376028996
Yes. I'm a sucker for anything involving Ivalice. Still have the steelbook from the original release.

>>376035665
So the new job system is shit then? Does it make the game harder or easier?

>>376035665
>every single character being literally the same is better than specialized characters that actually requires you put a modicum of thought to the game
You're an idiot.

>>376036041
Making your own classes > prebaked classes
You don't have to level everybody the same, dude.

>>376036041
Or, here me out, you could exercise some discipline and create your own unique builds in Vanilla like a proper RPG. Instead you're stuck with the rigid structure you're given and no new licenses were added.

I wasn't but then they fixed Vaan so now I will day one.

>>376036376
Are you saying he's been removed from the game?

>>376036175
Don't even try to argue that 99% of players don't just fill in the entire license board and then complain that all the characters play the same.
>b-b-b-but you don't have to!
Not the point.
>>376036191
>like a proper RPG
el oh el
You know this is a Final Fantasy game we're talking about? Jobs are a staple of the series.

>>376036481
They fixed his abs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80TpgN2KgEI

>>376036481
>it's an anon hates Vaan as a character without understanding the point of his character episode
Every time.

>>376036649
Is the point to be utterly forgettable and continually make me wish i was playing with Reks instead? Did you know that Basch was meant to be the lead originally?

So will fran finally not be shit with the new job system?

>>376036862
>Did you know that Basch was meant to be the lead originally
>notthisshitagain.jpg
Meanwhile, Vaan was the first character to be designed of the main cast.
Really makes you think.
And on the purpose of Vaan, what was the story of FFXII about?

>>376037113
What her deal anyways? She had the worst stat growth or something right?

>>376037192
>And on the purpose of Vaan, what was the story of FFXII about?
Star Wars.

>>376035665
The job system isn't THAT limiting, since it's not like you have endless viable options on the original board. Obviously there's some value in job templates since most people didn't think to give their party consideration or variety. Some of that is probably because you couldn't even see the licenses so you couldn't plan builds in the first place without a guide.

>>376037206
Worst stats, besides VIT, period.
Vaan and Fran are usually left as the last when choosing jobs (not in-game, before someone thinks about being cure) because Vaan will pretty much always be the best at any given job due to his stats, and Fran is usually the worst in any job, with the exception of Breaker that scales well with VIT.

>>376037282
FFXII had only superficial similarities with Star Wars.
The story is about Ashe getting over Rasler.
Vaan is paramount to that, though not because they have any romantic feelings toward each other.

>>376037453
Did they change her stats for the remake?

>>376036649
Vaan is shit and I say this as someone who likes XII. It's so obvious him and Penelo were added to the story at the last minute. Their accents don't even match the rest of the characters in the world.

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I never played it before, but I like Fran's design a ton. Should I pick this game up?

>>376038763
Most of the characters Vaan and Penelo meet are of a higher status than them, though.
Vaan and Pebelo are literally gutterfolk.
And no, Vaan most definitely wasn't added at the last minute, actually read up on the development of the game.

>they actually added dualclassing
fuck yes

>>376035665
>An absolutely abhorrent job system
No, you are just an idiot.

>>376038981
Fran has some cute moments of tender handholding with her husbando but overall she's one of the least significant characters.
You can stare at her ass non-stop though.

>>376037303
>Some of that is probably because you couldn't even see the licenses so you couldn't plan builds in the first place without a guide.
This, it's not that hard.

>>376033970
You know there's no reason for this, right? It's entirely arbitrary.

>>376036567
>Don't even try to argue that 99% of players don't just fill in the entire license board and then complain that all the characters play the same.
I'm not. I couldn't care less how others play.
How you can seriously argue that modularity and freedom in an RPG is somehow worse than the contrary is pretty astounding.

>>376039772
I bet you fucking love open world games.
Congratulations, you're the reason video games are shit.

>>376038981
You can walk around as her if you choose.

>>376039886
k

>>376039589
Well then, sounds cute. How's the gameplay? I've never been crazy into FF, so should I just wait for it to bin or nah

>>376029194
>switch
>getting 3rd party
Can't you go back to one of your containment threads?

>>376034108
>it's a budget title over here in UK - £24 on Amazon
?

It's £29.44 on Amazon

I'm still bummed they're not releasing it on PC. I thought they would have done it day 1, with all the ports coming on Steam.

Oh well, guess I'll buy it in a few years.

>>376039904
Oh shit, my interest is rising more and more.

>>376040107
>Not going on the secret black-market amazon UK that only cool people know about.
I pity you

>>376040194
:(

help me

>>376039965
It plays like an offline mmo, but honestly the quality of the world is so high and auto-attack scripting is so good you can breeze around smoothly.
The best things about FF12's gameplay is hunts against stronger monsters. But the best thing about FF12 in general is its story with some of the best VA work in the entire fucking industry.

My wife. It's one of her favorite games.

>>376032610
Because I want a physical copy

>>376039965
It's basically the only actually strategic FF since you have to "program" the characters' behavior. That also means that it's the less active one since you musn't constatly brainlessly press x for every repetitive action and it took a while to get actually good since your initial option are too limited. Then it becomes glorious, if you don't mind the lack of brainlessly press x for every repetitive action, obviously.

>>376040308
Alright, I guess I'll pick it up. A friend of mine actually just brought up the offline mmo stuff, but as long as it plays well, I don't particularly mind. I'll be honest, the aesthetic of things like the latest FF and such kinda turn me off. I like the more steampunk(If you can call it that) vibe this kind of game gives off, which is why I probably like the older games more. Thanks, friend.

>>376028996

I just have one curiosity

Is the job system from the expansion mandatory or is it optional?

I'm kinda being bothered by the fact that i might have to force a job on each character when that wasn't present in the first version.

>>376039734
He did say it was a personal thing

>>376040619
Mandatory.

>>376028996
Drones will

>>376039772
Is Minecraft more enjoyable on creative or survival?

Sometime restrictions actually do add to the fun

>>376040451
The best compromise would have been a 100% active part with a character directly controlled by you through a completely different and more action-esque combat system, the rest of the party controlled with the gambits system.

>>376040872
>Sometime restrictions actually do add to the fun
I can't contest that. My problem with the job system is that once you've tried them all, you're done with the game. You can't come up with interesting new classes or play styles, you've seen everything the game has to offer.
Not to mention there just isn't enough of them to restrict it you so hard. At least V for example had a ton of stuff to play around with.
Two jobs is a step in the right direction, but what would have been perfect, for me anyway, would have been the option to choose which system to use when you start a new game, kinda like in X.

>>376028996
I really dislike the International Zodiac Job System.
Or at the very least I'd argue it's not suitable for this game.

>>376041160
You do control the active character via a normal FF menu, rather than gambits.

Its just not hack-n-slash

No, I played through it once to 100% and I'm not suffering that grind again

Really excited for it. I already own it for the PS2 but I like the sound of the new features.

>>376041257
Ya, theres no reason to not make the new job system optional.

Im just excited for it because it makes the entire party useful. In the original, there was no reason to use more than 3 (or was it 4?) characters since no matter what you want / need, you can just shove it onto whoever youre already using. There was never an incentive to switch

>>376041345
>You do control the active character via a normal FF menu
Which is just the usual FF kind of system, gambits are much better than that. I was talking about a completely different and more action-esque system than the usual ones while still not hack-n-slash.

>>376041345
Most of the people who played the game just put gambits on their leader too and actually let the game play itself.
Then they got angry that the game played itself.

>>376030293
>f they cared about the gameplay, they would have emulated it during the past 10 years.
If they cared about gameplay, they'd play something else.

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>>376028996
I will if they fix the fucking horrible sound mixing the voices have.

>>376043092
they are

>>376043352
Well I am not hearing it. The new trailer just made me even more skeptical.

>>376040107

when it first came on, it was £26. I also got £2 off for Prime.

Either way, it's not a full price release.

What are some of the best classes to pick for everyone?

>>376044120
Whatever you do, don't fall for the Balthier=White Mage meme. Give WM to Ashe or Penelo, especially since you can have two jobs on a character now.

>>376028996
literally me m8, it's my fav FF next to FF8. If Squeenix wouldn't go the ultimate jew route with that 250€ super collector's edition, I'd get that. But I settled with the premium edition that's the game + soundtrack DLC

>>376044482
So what is the new job system thing doing, does it just affect access to each character's available magics, and techniques?

>>376028996
Yes since I never played it. Plus they fixed Vaans abs and added an additional job per character meaning I won't be screwed over once I inevitable regret my career choice just like in real life.

>>376044482
>Balthier=White Mage meme
>reaches 99 str and 99 mag
>has innate Steal
>innate Guns 1, helpful in early game

>give WM to Ashe
>most of mag growth wasted
>Ashe has the highest combo multiplier of the characters, which is wasted on WM

White Mage Ashe is a waste of a character, White Mage Balthier is a great choice, though there are better choices for Balthier.

I preordered it. It's the only single-player FF game I've yet to beat, so I've committed myself to doing so this summer.

>>376028996

Yes.

Spoiler: When it hits Steam.

>>376041160

Set battle to "menu/pause" mode for active character.

Make commands if you're that much of a faggot. The gambits speed the game up.

game came out in 2006, many anons will have never played the beauty of it yet. I am quite interested what new comers to the game will think when it drops with the best possible version because it is the IZJS. I'm sure a few have tried it through emulator but honestly I tried doing that a year or two ago and was unrewarding in that my computer was having trouble running it back then.

>>376031682
>I wanna support the people who made the game

top level autist.

>>376047556
lammo
You got him dude

>>376028996
On PC sure. If only the graphics were more than just an upscale. This game is gonna look hella blurry.

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>>376036038
The game is far easier because of turbo mode. It literally plays itself.

>>376036629
But they didn't.

>>376040520
Not him but the game is boring as hell and the world isn't good at all. It's a game with a ridiculously huge budget that fails to be anything but average. FF was already a dead franchise when the game came out.

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Oh hai thar. Hope you don't have any plans for a while, and I hope you have fun when my HP gets low and my turn frequency increases exponentially.

>>376036041
>Characters are the same
I didn't know you liked the game so much your grinded all the way to level 99 and farmed the lvl 99 monsters and special monsters to get the top 4 weapons 6 times for each character and built them the same way!! You must really like this game and those weapons!

>>376048229
>wow this is easy I can just set the controller down and relax for a while
>suddenly no charge time Death Strikes every few seconds
5 hours until I got a game over 1 health bar away from winning, then another 5 hours immediately after for the kill. No regrets. I cooked and ate so many chicken legs during that time.

>>376048492
All the guides to beating him online make it sound so easy. They never mention about when his HP gets low. Shit gets crazy then.

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>>376038763
>Vaan is shit
Mature but crowded out by the stronger personalities.

>It's so obvious him and Penelo were added to the story at the last minute.
He was the first character to be designed and planned on. Penelo is his sidekick.

>Their accents don't even match the rest of the characters in the world.
Dalmascan orphans don't speak the same as the Dalmascan princess/queen, her foreign general protector, the Archadean noble and his anthropomorphic beast-partner, how surprising they're a bit more vulgar and less refined. The rest of the characters in the world weren't seeqs, bangaas, moogles, monsters and other humes around the continent?

>>376028996
I won't because I can't spent another 100h on it

>>376046301

B-b-but women should be subservient and heal their betters

>>376048916
I made that webm and I think the game is shit.

>>376048853

It is because you think you can set up foolproof gambits for him but you can't since shit goes wrong so often that you have to manually unfuck the situation.

>>376041160
You can do precisely that by turning your controlled character's gambits to off as you directly control his choices in battle. Or maybe you're trying to say it should all be DMC action, different for each party member, while your on-screen partners continue on with their own gambits? Not really an RPG anymore and I can't say FF XV was super popular for it's version (11 years later).

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>We want the tidus audience

>>376049338
Tidus is one of the best FF protagonists, so nothing really wrong with that.

too much too long dungeons
no cities
no story

>>376043550
I think one of the first trailers explicitly took several minutes or scenes detailing and giving examples that they are specifically remastering the voice clips, sound effects and all the sound library, though. That you don't hear the difference is very personal.

Game's absolutely fantastic, and a technical masterpiece as far as PS2 graphics go (just look at it, it's easily Vagrant Story tier for its gen) but the PS4 only bullshit is whack. It should've been released on Vita or Switch, something portable.

Also, Revenant Wings is a better game.

>>376047428
>best possible version because it is the IZJS.
The restricted board doesn't make it a better version for everyone. Personally, I find the lack of access to be nearly enough reason to simply replay the original and not play the new one (again).

>>376047759
>The game is far easier because of turbo mode.
I mean, you can grind faster if you don't like the combat.

>It literally plays itself.
Gambits are user-created scripts that apply to combat. If you're complaining about gambits, that is on you, buddy.

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>>376049469
>too much too long dungeons
>he didn't rike it

>>376049469

What are you talking about, 12 had a lot of story and politics

>>376047905
>the game is boring as hell
The characters are extremely complicated and highly motivated. They are excellent individuals the game doesn't just slap an archetype/stereotype on and you instantly know everything about them.

>and the world isn't good at all.
The locations are gorgeous, the world is comfy, the music is spectacular, the desgin and detail is marvelous and the locations (despite being limited to what is essentially Dalmasca, a tiny bordered-up nation in the enormous continent in Ivalice) are varied and dramatic. You just didn't like it, but don't lie and call it something it isn't.

>>376028996
> $40 expansion pack that adds a few new mssions and other minor changes

Dont forget this will be the first in a line dlcs. Enjoy spending over $200 on a shit game

>>376049089
I like the webm because the world of FFXII is really great, even on boosted assets, from a 2006 PS2 title.

>>376029185
Wait did they seriously fix that? Please tell me they did.

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Oh hai thar. Hope you had fun spending over half your FFXII playtime killing me over and over.

>>376049846
>Gambits are user-created scripts that apply to combat. If you're complaining about gambits, that is on you, buddy.
You can just auto attack everything to death, you don't even need gambits.

>>376049154
>>376049338
I don't think Vaan is a spoiled sports superstar with daddy issues on a journey of love as Spira's Jesus, unbeknownst to him until 90% the way through, which he keeps a secret anyway.

But they're both blond with shirtless vests. Same character.

>>376050312
There was a video a while back that showed two characters casting one of the big spells at the same time, but I don't know which one it is, sorry.

>>376050301
It's not great if it's all static, Fable is an older game that did it much better same with other PS2 games.

>>376050420
If you're overleveled to the point where the enemy does little-nodamage and your own strikes destroy everything? I guess so. Lots of grinding sewer rats.

>>376050089
>The characters are extremely complicated and highly motivated.
wew lad. Daddy issues, generic revenge, and .......

You can tell what they're all about at a glance so you need to stop shitposting, they're as stereotypical as they come.

Music is generic, world is static, nothing is gorgeous except maybe the snow area, and I'm not lying in any way you're just defending trash.

>>376050420
You can just play FF1-10 with the attack button held down with a band-aid, what's your point?

>>376050669
It's impossible to not become over levelled with turbo mode.

>>376050693
For most of those you are required to think for a large percentage of battles. You're required to cure status ailments in FF12 only a handful of times at best.

>>376047416
>>376049220
Guys >>376041664. I didn't write "completely different" for no reason.
>Or maybe you're trying to say it should all be DMC action
Not full hack and slash, but still pretty action-esque to compensate how passive the gambit system (which is still miles better than the usual FF systems in any case) can feel during the actual battles.

>I can't say FF XV was super popular for it's version (11 years later).
Not the same thing.

>>376050791
Correct me if I'm wrong, but even with turbo mode, don't you still have to consciously wander around looking for enemies to grind? It's still your fault, certainly not "impossible" to avoid.

>>376050672
>Music is generic
get out

>>376050791
>It's impossible to not become over levelled with turbo mode.
>Weak Mode
>that one accessory I can't remember the name of

>>376050531
It wasn't completely static. Merchants merchandized, customers shopped, children played hopscotch, moogles flew, viera toured, monsters roamed, hunts popped up, ships flew by, scenery swayed in the breeze, weather shifted from calm to stormy...and it was all with high-budget assets over an 50+ hour long game with tons of data on a very limited space disc using a now very limited computer.

>>376050875
Yes but since you do it ten times faster it doesn't feel like you're looking at all.

no one has bought it. it's not even out yet.

I preordered it, I mean I know it's good already

>>376050184
None of the KH remasters or the FFX remaster had any dlc at all, it's just the game.

>>376050350
We was king and poison?

>>376050972
Again, that's your fault for doing it at all. You can make all the excuses you want, but FFXII, like every game in the series except the very first one, is designed to be beaten by just fighting whatever you come across, with dedicated grinding usually only required for optional content.

>>376033813
No one does anymore.

Does the Steelbook edition come with anything special over the Standard edition besides the Steelbook?

>>376051420
Wrong. It means you can poitn out Japan on a map.

>>376050969
>over 4gb
>limited space
A completely flat world with no interaction outside of generic text is static.

>>376050672
>Daddy issues
Balthier respected his father to the extreme until he felt he was going insane. He started to question is family, is loyalties and his expectations as one of the empire's most powerful noble houses and abandoned his post as a Judge in order to run away from his fears. The charismatic flyboy with extensive knowledge and genius command was scared and flippant.
>generic revenge
The future queen of Dalmasca and key puppet of the Occuria's plans is placed under enough pressure to turn ashes into diamonds after her brand new husband was killed days after their wedding by the very government now threatening to publicly invade her tiny nation using the guise of sincere diplomacy, all while she herself is brilliant, young and angry and a little out-of-touch with her people which is causing her to secretly steal more power for herself. Instead of righteous revenge, she's inciting cowardly rage and is blinded by everything around her that isn't "more power."

That's the overview of just two characters from dozens of hours of dialogue and story that details it, voicework that gives tone and subtlety and characterization, script that promotes feelings and discovery of them, how they perceive themselves, how others perceive them and lets them all contrast with how you personally mete with their decisions.

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>>376028996
Will this include any of the sorts of enhancements doable with PCSX2? FF12 was one of the few games where that was truly amazing because they over res'd the textures so fucking much relative to the capabilities of the PS2. Game was way overbuilt, but as a result years later it upscales like magic. If PS4 version even mildly approaches this then fuck yes day 1 buy. If it doesn't I'll probably buy it once it goes on sale anyway though.

>>376050672
Well you have your opinions, I guess. Too bad you state them as fact.

>>376051693

Well the voicework will no longer sound like it was recorded in a metal garbage can due to massive compression.

Wasn't the english VA for Vaan like a rapper or something? I don't remember him in anything except voicing Vaan in XII and Dissidia.

>>376028996
I thought about it remembered KH3 and told square to fuck off.

>>376051693
They're calling it a "remaster" not just a port, and it's definitely running at 1080p. I don't know if they're doing fancy ansio shit or how smooth it'll actually be or whatever but in principle native 1080p should be better then pcsx2's upscale and hacks which sometimes showed bugs in actual motion.

>>376051841
Also this. Remaster 7.1 sound, glorious as long as they didn't fuck with it.
>inb4 redone with wubstep

>>376052113
>inb4 redone with wubstep

They didn't do that with FFX of KH, though some of the X tracks didn't sound as good in the remaster.

>>376041160

Putting action and ffx12 in the same sentence should result in a death penaltythrough 1000 cuts to the dicc

>>376050972
That's like complaining your job is boring when you are the owner, you pay other people to do your work and then you feel personally unsatisfied with the results, even if it's precisely to your specifications.

"Traveling to the other side of the country is so boring!"
"So don't ride the bus?"
"Don't be stupid, I'm flying! It's my personal jet."
"So it's gonna take, like, 4 hours?"
"So long..."
"You don't have any windows to look out of?"
"Pff, it's just sqaures of farm, who cares? Nothing interesting."
"No mountain ranges, lakes, cities? I guess traveling by car might be more fun since you'd be up close..."
"I'll just watch a couple movies and play a few hours on my gameboy while my food gets cooked on the plane's kitchen. I don't know why people think traveling is so great."
"Why indeed."

>>376052113
pcsx2 doesn't upscale it renders. The remaster SHOULD be more clear but it isn't because they're using so many ugly filters.

>Completely abhorrent OST
>Port is almost unplayable
>Story is almost nonexistent
>Gameplay is mediocre at best

Why does /v/ love this game? It's garbage

Ive preordered for that dank .
Also 12 is my favorite final fantasy

>>376052304
Weak, see me after class.

>>376051545
Go play God of War.

How many games of this time were natively made with widescreen tvs in mind like XII was? Because 16:9 was the standard in film since the beginning but it was relatively new for tv.

I emulated an undub on 4k and it was great. I've wanted to play the ziodiac job system but abhor the dub. Will this be dual audio?

Will it have dual audio? Squeenix site doesn't say. Fucking better since it's on a fucking bluray.
>remaster gets 200 dollary dingo collectors edition
>only one with code to unlock the original soundtrack background music option in-game
next generation bullshit

>>376030293
Emulation is shit

>>376052304
is this the birth of an epic new meme?

>>376052523
>its a code to download the entire OST on a .exe from the main site

>>376052494
Lots.

>>376030293
>these replies
It looks like the shilling has begun. Jesus H Crhist.

>>376052521
The Japanese audio is the dub, though.

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>>376052304

>>376030293
I don't steal

>>376052680
>a handful of people who liked the original will now buy the remaster
>this is shilling
Why are you even in this thread

>>376052216
Don't be such a dumb purist, I like the gambit system a lot, but to reach a 9/10 status the game needed something else both good and active to balance well its passive feel

>>376052763
Anti-emulation is pure shilling. Up until today for the past 10 years that's how you played the game.

Suddenly it's not because you're goys.

>>376052857
>Up until today for the past 10 years that's how you played the game.
Or you know, you played it on an actual PS2.

>>376052857
I'm buying the PS4 version PURELY because of dual jobs are a thing in it.
And I just finished my previous playthrough in December on an emulator.

>>376052857
It sounds like you don't want to be left behind.
Whatever, dude. I'm going to buy the remaster, play the ever loving shit out it, and still emulate the original because I prefer the vanilla board.

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>>376052857
I own this on the PS2, and it's how I still replay it. I've never played a single game on my PC that was an emulated version of a console game.

The closes I ever got was playing Mother 3 on my hacked PSP because it wasn't available in the U.S. and the japanese version of Dissidia when it came out because I was obsessed with the idea of FF Smash Brothers.

So, no?

>>376052992
>dual jobs

Wait, they actually did that? Now I'm not forced to 1 job per character meaning I only get to use half the jobs per playthrough?

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>>376052815

We have four games with a gambit system playable with a gamepad.

FFXII
Dragon Age Origins
Xenoblad Chronicles
FFXI

and you want to make the list smaller. Just be ashamed and stop posting for the next 10minutes, exercise or something instead. I do it on a regular basis myself to not gain braindamage

>>376052992
You can have dual jobs in IZJS as well.

>>376053204
You can't.

>>376053204
Only through fucking with your save file, it was not a built-in feature.

>2 jobs per character
>magic queue system gone, making spell casters more viable
Fuck yeah I am getting it.

>>376029194
This Switch meme needs to stop

>>376053275
see>>376053290

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>>376052857
Acknowledging that a remaster can accomplish things beyond emulation is not anti-emulation you dumb faggot, it's fucking reality. They've got access to the original sources and high res unfiltered assets. They have the ability to actually for real include native enhanced textures and models and shit. WILL they actually bother? Who knows until it's out, there have been bad remasters, but there have also been great ones that completely demolished the original games in emu. FF12 is out of the era when translations were truly funky and horrible like we saw on the SNES/ps1, but there was still some room for improvement. High quality emulation also tends to take a pretty beefy PC even today, and while a lot of us have those there are probably some who'd appreciate being able to play it more efficiently on a console in their living room.

As that other anon said: why the fuck are you even in this thread if you don't even like the game? Just to shitpost at anyone on /v/ liking an RPG ever?

>>376053397

Yeah but by that logic, you can wall-jump in Sonic games because Game Genie lets you do it. It doesn't mean it's an actual aspect of the game.

>>376053397
You're a special kind of retard, aren't you?
Dual jobs is not an actual feature of IZJS, the fact it can be done by manipulating saves doesn't change that.

>>376052521
There will be dual audio available.

>>376053527
>>376053728
There is no difference.

>>376052521
Dual audio was in XIII and the PC version of X so I would think so. Only KH doesn't have dual audio and quite frankly, why would you want that?

>>376028996
>leaving in the retarded animation of pulling out/putting away weapons forcing you to stop moving

why bother

>>376053175
>and you want to make the list smaller.
The hell? Did you even read my post?
>>376041160
>the rest of the party controlled with the gambits system.
how does that make the list shorter?
A lot of players already don't use it for at least one character, what I'm saying wouldn't change anything from that point of view.
Seriously, I have no idea how such clear posts have been misunderstood so much. If you want to reply again, at least reread my posts before doing that, I'm pretty tired of ponting out things that I wrote so explicitely.

>>376053872
>guys headshotting because I'm a good shot is the same thing as having an aimbot

>>376053872
There's a massive difference between an actual supported feature of a game and what is possible via exploits.

>>376028996
When it comes to PC

>>376053465
Calm down you sperg.

>>376053872
The game doesn't crash when I cheat using a gameshark and the servers don't ban me in multiplayer, it's all part of the game! I'm just good and better than you because I know it can be done!

>>376029779
keep emulating if you ask me

sometimes you'll want to go turbo + internal speed for grinding because shit is just too fucking slow

>>376054021

It's Square. If it doesn't have Kingdom Hearts in the name, it gets a PC version EVENTUALLY. Even FFIX got a pc port and people thought that was impossible because the source code was supposedly lost when the guy who had it left the company.

>>376053949

I like that you actually took a break from posting but your post was nonsensical. I mean,why am I even a purist? For liking the combat as it is since its very unique and changing it would take away from it functionality and uniqueness? Seriously, ffxII has one of the best combat systems for an mmo out there, without any of the action nonsense.

>>376054028
Trying to save face so hard isn't nice anon. And you still haven't anwered his question.

>>376053949
He interprets that this game (and those 3 other games) rely solely on gambit-style systems and that you desiring the inclusion of hack-n-slash for your controlled unit or FFX-2's FPS gunmode dungeon as alternatives ruins the gameplay. Why play an RPG when you want to play an FPS, essentially.

>>376054178
Do you mean "VII" and "when the archives burned down?" Also, the PC port for all the PS era games aaaaaaaaaaaaareeeeeeeeee ttrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssh

>>376054478
Funny way to spell definitive.

>>376054478
>Do you mean "VII" and "when the archives burned down?"

No I'm referring specifically to IX, in fact that's why it took forever for IX to ever be released on anything outside of PS1 or PS1 emulation on PS3. And a guy did in fact leave the company with IX's assets, because he just happened to be the guy they were handed to, assets weren't considered something valuable to keep back in the day.

As for VII and VIII, both of those had PC versions like a year after their PS1 versions. They weren't great, but they existed.

>>376029045
>Owns International Zodiac Age version

Yeah, I dont believe you

>>376055609

Not him but I import lots of games.

>>376050312
I heard this was one of their major fixes, yes; the spell queue issue is supposedly fixed, you don't have to wait 5 minutes for curaja to go off on your already long-dead party at endgame.

>>376028996
I want to but I'm a broke NEET with zero dollars.

>>376055652
Zodiac Age, the PS4 version is not out yet, anywhere.

>>376055809

Pretty sure the spell queue only existed in the first place due to ram limitations

>>376054242
>I like that you actually took a break
I like how you are still trying so sound superior even after showing such an embarrassing lack of reading comprehension and basic logic skills.

>For liking the combat as it is since its very unique and changing it would take away from it functionality and uniqueness?
See how fucking retarded you are? How hard is to understand that I wouldn't change the gambit sytem?

>I mean,why am I even a purist?
>only mentioning an action-esque system completrely fucks up his already lacking logical skills.
> Speging out so much that it's getting pathetic
> can't even accept something so evident, that the gambit system alone actually feels too passive and that the haters aren't completely wrong
You are right, you sorry for calling you a purist, you are just a genuine mongoloid.

>>376055894

I was talking about IZJS

>>376054324
>solely on gambit-style systems
Which is lacking. It has its flaws. And, once again, the haters aren't completely wrong when they complain. You purists are ok with that, and it's fine, but at least try to not act like completely unresonable retards. I mean, look at this shit
>FPS, essentially.
seriously? Why trying so fucking hard to completely trash a point in such a stupid way?
Look, I thought FFXII haters were the most retarded part of the fanbase, but you two are making me reconsider that. And, no, the problem isn't the fact that you don't agree with me, don't even try to pull that shit.

>they added in dual jobs
Thank god, that was even something I brought up in Square's survey at annoucement. Having 6 characters with 12 available jobs and 1 job per character never made sense.

>>376028996
Already have it preordered
XII is probably my favourite FF

I hope they left in all the sequence breaking you can do, like how you can reach Mosphoran Highwaste a good 20 hours before you're meant to if you do a sidequest.

>>376055954
Okay, because you're obviously confused by a reply chain of 5 whole posts, I'll explain it for you.
>anon says he's not going to buy Zodiac Age because he already owns it
>anon says he doesn't believe the aforementioned anon because Zodiac Age isn't out yet
>you come in and somehow bring imports into this, as if that makes an unreleased game released
Did that clarify things?

Basch is best boy.

>>376028996
I don't have a ps4 so sadly no.

>>376055809
Holy fuck I hated that shit. I always thought it was the atb fucking me over. Was it really not supposed to be that way?

>>376028996
i would have bought it if they ported it to vita

but alas i'll just wait until it comes to pc

>>376056279
Will they also allow you to play without the job system if you want? So basically just like the original game only with the upgraded graphics?

>>376058013
2 jobs, not 0 job.

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>>376028996
on pc

>>376058072
So let me get this straight here. They went from letting you have all the powers in the game if you max out the characters to only having specific jobs that limit what your character can do?

>>376036191
Problem with that is the Technicks mostly sucked and most of the weapons had no notable differences to them. The game almost encourages you to just teach everyone magic and use everything accordingly.

>>376057693
If you went to penumbra with the teleporting horses you could see that it was a glitch the most clearly. You could sit at a fully charged cast for over a minute if you gathered all of them into one spot. In order to make it so it wasn't too resource intensive for the PS2, they made it so the highest level spells, which were generally the ones with the biggest graphical effect, were placed in a queue, as in, the first thing, player or monster, to cast a highest tier spell got to use it, then the next and so on until the queue was exhausted. A decent idea until you get to certain bosses that you can literally just spell-lock or they can spell-lock you.

This is one of the worst ffs but I'll prolly pick it up when I can grt a used copy for cheap like I did with X/X-2.
>when are they gonna remake 9 and 6

>>376058217
Correct, the game was way too easy and unbalanced before. You could run around 12-15 chaining with all of your characters. On the flipside, they removed damage limit of 9999, so certain spells can now hit upwards of 30K. It is a much more balanced system now, as long as you don't accidentally pick Breaker as one of your jobs, unless you enjoy having an endgame damage range of under 100 to 8000+, unreliable as fuck.

>>376041675
Its a good idea to have a proper Gambit set-up for all characters regardless of who you use as leader.

>>376032560

At the same time, upgrading each one as I see fit, with all the lores stacking up?
Archer/Monk will be insane.

>>376028996
>Paying 50 dollars
Fuck even Kingdom hearts isnt 50 Fucking dollars and it came with 4 games. I liked 12 but I'll wait for the price drop, no incentive when thalere are arguably better games I can get for that price.

I will. I never finished XII the first time around, so getting it in HD with all the extra Zodiac shit seems worth £30. Though I'm going to struggle to fit in the time to play it, my backlog is ginormous.

>>376058601
That fucking sucks! I want to be able to do over 9999 damage and also have my characters able to max out the license board to.

>>376058601
>Breaker
>used for damage instead of the break abilities
el oh el

>>376058886
>not Samurai/Monk

>>376057293
Are you legitimately retarded or something?

>>376058958
Autoattacks are important too, some jobs use them exclusively but all of them benefit from them, having low autoattack damage is a big hit to DPS.
>>376058935
Well, maybe they will make a baby's first videogame easy mode just for you, where chain chance is 100% regardless of chain count, every monster drops Seitengrat, and you always do 99,999 damage.

>>376050047
There needed to be more story surrounding the actual frontline conflict going on. I get what XII was going for by having Ashe and Co. working "behind the scenes", but there really should've been more points where they became more active in the actual fighting.

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>>376028996
I'll buy it.

>>376059070

Any combination of red/black/white mage.

>>376059263
I know you are.

>>376059312
The game's story is not about ongoing rebellion against the Empire.
The game is literally about Ashe, nothing else.

>>376059312
It seems like a lot of story and policts got cut when they kicked the director out.

>>376028996
Yes, this is my final chance to actually make it through the entire game.
If I can't do it this time I'm giving up.

Gonna wait for the PC version, I just replayed it on PCSX2 so i'm in no rush.

Will we be able to change jobs in this version?

>>376058337
>A decent idea until you get to certain bosses that you can literally just spell-lock or they can spell-lock you.

This is why I never attempted any of the higher up Espers or superbosses. Fuck that shit.

>>376059770
Considering that the idea behind Vaan and his prototype was to be a healing character in terms of helping people get over their problems, I think they stuck with it just fine considering what happens to Ashe at the end.

>>376040038
>japanese developer not porting jrpg game to a handheld
no anon, just stop beeing a fag.

>>376059708
And Ash can get involved with various conflicts.

>>376059770
Probably not cut, but simply never fleshed out.

>>376047759
That's footage from TGS 2016. Check the latest screenshots, the abs are fixed there.

>>376028996

You guys understand that unlike FFX this isn't just the IZJS HD, there are at least a few game play improvements.

>>376060623
She can, but didn't.
The game is about Ashe's quest for vengeance against the Empire, not about her trying to reclaim her homeland by participating in the rebellion.

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>>376028996

Me, I loved FFXII last good FF ever made. Much better than FFX and all the shit that came after 12.

>>376060653
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/04/17/take-another-trip-ivalice-final-fantasy-xii-zodiac-ages-latest-screenshots/

>Take Another Trip To Ivalice In Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age’s Latest Screenshots

>>376062793
there's multiple screenshots in that gallery that prove otherwise my guy

>>376028996
on Steam.

>already played through US edition once, and IZJS twice
>nearly 100% the game with the exception of getting that stupid fucking bow with an incredibly low spawn rate from the invisible chest on the airship
>no motivation to pick it up again even though dual jobs sounds cool as fuck

Kill me

>>376063204
>game is so blurry you think they fixed something

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>>376028996
I wont, original is better than zodiac edition, also depends on the remaster, its most likely gonna be shit

>>376061234
>mfw you only get to fight 2 out of 5 Darth Vaders

>>376066029
You mean three? Gabranth, the ugly mother fucker, and the guy on the ship/Leviathan

>>376028996
We are like 10 years late to the party. Will not buy.

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>>376065957
Just like every remaster they've done