Most important games of all time

>>375999145
breath of the wild hasn't had enough time to change video games and i dont think it will

>>375999234
It's had such a profound impact on people already. I haven't seen a game in a long while that both critics and the general public have gushed so hard over.

Where's Skyrim?

>Dota
>Not WC3
>No diablo
>Earthbound on the list at all

Another thing I think your list is missing is the original DayZ mod. It was really the start of the whole "shitty survival arena multiplayer game with crafting elements" or whatever. You know what I'm talking about.

>>375999359
Skyrim doesn't deserve to be listed. If any Elder Scrolls deserves to be listed, it would be Morrowind. Still, I think Fallout 3 has had a bigger impact on the industry, in terms of aesthetic and its role as a modern mainstream RPG.

>>375999145
>no Dune 2
>no Starcraft

>>375999478
>no reading comprehension

>>375999386
Warcraft III was just a touched up Starcraft with RPG elements. DOTA has much more influence for being a direct predecessor to MOBAs which dominated the mainstream multiplayer scene in the 2010s.

>Earthbound on the list at all
Earthbound is a stunning achievement for it's narrative and style, perhaps on par with Final Fantasy VI, and it's had a huge impact on the current indie scene. It's essential to this list.

Why MM2 over the original? I also don't understand why Sonic is up there. If you want sidescrolling action games, there are a million better selections (Contra or Castlevania, for instance). If you are wanting it to pretend it's a platformer, Mario is better.

>>375999359
You misspelled morrowind

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Quake

>>375999145
>not having crash bandicoot

>>375999635
Mega Man 2 sold more and jumpstarted Mega Man to the status he's known for today. Besides, it's a more polished game.

>>375999721
Crash is ugly. And while his games are great, there isn't anything he did that Mario didn't do better.

>>375999571
They did indeed mold an entire genre, you mouth breather

>>375999819
Starcraft was on the list, dipshit.

>>375999582
If you really want to talk about things essential to the current indie scene why not talk about some of the first great examples of successful indie games that paved the way for the rest of them, proving that indie games can be just as successful (if not even more successful) than triple-a games? Why not talk about games that proved that crowdfunding could actually work (>implying)?

>>375999289
> I haven't seen a game in a long while that both critics and the general public have gushed so hard over.

What is bloodborne?

Also, >>375999813
I agree with him though. Crash should be up there, at least the ones that were for the PS1. And at least one resident evil. These two genres undeniably changed the way video games were played forever, whether you like them or think they're ugly personally or not. I though this was what this list was all about anyway.

>>375999145
I would unironically put Other M on here.
The cultural impact wasn't positive but it was significant

>>375999813
>crash is ugly
at the time the crash trilogy looked way better than mario
all 3 of his games are in the top 15 most sold ps1 games
major contributor to ps success

>>375999145
Remove:

Earthbound and Chrono Trigger (Just more JRPGs, DQ and FF were the important one)
Vice City (GTA3 should replace it)
BotW (just another open world game)

Rest is fine.

>>375999956
I have already included Minecraft. But you are right. I'll add Undertale to the next list.

>>375999995
Hmm. Dark Souls is more deserving of the position than Bloodborne, in my position. I'll add that to list too.

I simply forgot about Resident Evil. I'll add that too.

>>376000010
Significant for what? The disappointment for Metroid fans? That's hardly a reason for inclusion.

>>376000141
GTA3, Vice City, and San Andreas are all toss ups for GTA inclusions.

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so we are just gonna ignore what yu suzuki did for this industry? okay.

>>375999683
you mean Arena, don't you

>>376000652
Who?

>>375999145
Change vice city to gta3. VC is basically just an expansion pack.

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>>375999145
>No SMB3
>No CAVE STORY

Fuck off.

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Come on, lets be honest here people.

>>375999145
Counter Strike
The Sims

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>Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

>>375999145
You need Skyrim. Doesn't matter whether or not you liked it, it literally changed everything Hing about video games and was a cultural phenomenon.

Also, BotW isn't even close to being on that list. I loved it, bit it hasn't been long enough.

>>376001364
>it literally changed everything Hing about video games
Not really. GTA 3 was the game that changed gaming and made open world genre huge. Skyrim didn't do anything new.

>>375999145

Dragon quest is essentially the same as pokemon except with better designs and story, and considering its relatively small global fanbase, Id give the edge to pokemon

>Sonic the Hedgehog

debateable. The paltofrming was great, but mario was better. The genesis games could be considered important for the speed processing, but most important?

>Vice City
Id say San Andreas

>Earthbound
no. It was quirky, but it had little impact back when it came out and not until like 05 or whatever did it actually become popular

>Chrono Trigger
hardly

Just these.

>Super Mario Bros.
>Tetris
>Super Mario 64
>Final Fantasy VII
>Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
>GTAIII
>Halo 3

>>375999289
But that's not change. Even if it has a large impact on people, to make this list, it must have a large impact on the industry, and I don't see that happening.

Mechanically, it does nothing really new. There's no groundbreaking innovation here. There's also no fundamental shift in settings that other games may want to follow (as was the case with CoD4).

It's an isolated incident, a mayfly.

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>>376002520
>There's no groundbreaking innovation here
lol. Every time people talk about and try to "refute" this they list like 13 open world games and say "all of THESE games did the same things!" There really isn't any open world game that had the same kind of engine. Just compare BotW to HZD for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPXKdSEGNQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEGWtyJAkO0

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>>375999145
Dark Souls
Resident Evil 4
Tekken 3
Devil May Cry 1/3

>>376002816
Making a game prettier is nothing groundbreaking. A new engine isn't groundbreaking. Nothing there sets new standards for the industry to follow. There's a reason Crysis didn't make the list.

>>376002886
>There's a reason Crysis didn't make the list.
Yah, Because Crysis didn't do anything new ;) I don't even get why you faggots try to lie about this. All the critics have already said Breath of the Wild is innovative for numerous reasons. It's not like you can try to lie about that on 4chan of all places.

>>376003000
>Yah, Because Crysis didn't do anything new
Crysis did the same thing you claim BotW does: It pushed the envelope, it introduced a whole new level of graphical and mechanical realism in gaming.

But it was an isolated game, just like BotW. What will the industry follow? What's BotW doing that will from now on show up all over the place?

>>376002065
Pokemon wouldnt exist without dragon quest V. Neither would most other games in the genre.

>>376003091
>What's BotW doing that will from now on show up all over the place?
Hopefully lots of things because BotW shat on the competition.

>>376003239
So you can't actually name something?

>>376003187

maybe so, but it didnt explode like it did until pokemon came out.

Its kind of like Jumping jack flash: it was ABSOLUTELY the first 3D platformer, but it was pretty barebones. When Mario 64 came out, it kickstarted the whole thing

>Final Fantasy VI
That's a funny way to say VII

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>>376003281
Sure, I can. But it'd take too much time. It's Friday and I have to start working.

>>376003368
Both are listed. Though I agree that VI, while a good game, doesn't belong there. It may have perfected a trend, but it didn't start one.

>>375999457
Skyrim made mods mainstream

>BoTW

AHAHAJAHHAAHSHSHAHAHAH

The entire point of this thread was listing that at the end

Because nindobabbies are THAT delusional

>>376003282
Dragon Quest was fucking massive, so was FF. What are you talking about?

>>376003091
Breath of the Wild is innovative because of the nonlinearity paired with the expansiveness of the world. The goals in the game are secondary- the players interaction with the world and the resulting freedom is primary. That has never been done as well as Breath of the Wild, and that's why it's the definitive open world game.

>>376002065
Dragon Quest popularized fantasy RPGs in Japan, so it makes the list. Pokemon was a cultural phenomenon and changed the industry forever when it was released, for a variety of reasons.

>indoctrinated a new generation of young gamers
>completely revolutionized portable gaming
>brought gaming the mainstream consciousness with it's early controversies

Both are necessary to the list.

>>376003547

FF is completely different, Im talking about monster capturing

Dragon quest got big because it came with the whatever # issue of Nintendo power. Now not to downplay it, since it was a good RPG, but it didnt have a big impact in the press or in top billings at the time

>>376003612

right, in Japan, but Im saying globally, it made much less of a ripple

Take off breath of the wild, i know its just bait but still....

Also add mortal kombat you fool

>>376003368
Final Fantasy VI set a new bar with narrative in gaming. That's why it is included. FFVII is included for different reasons- mainly because alongside MGS it completely revolutionized visuals and cinematography within gaming.

>>376003651
Doesn't matter if it didn't make a ripple. Shenmue didn't sell well globally at all but it still had an immense impact. Dragon Quest popularized fantasy RPGs in Japan. That's incredibly important, the industry would be entirely different if it hadn't been released.

>>376003651
>Dragon quest got big because it came with the whatever # issue of Nintendo power.
Wrong, DQ introduced a lot of new things. Fucking kids, I swear.

>>376003612
>That has never been done as well as Breath of the Wild
But it HAS been done. Again and again.

This means BotW does not start a trend. It represents a peak, not an origin. It's the spec ops the line to CoD4.

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>>376004067
>But it HAS been done
Name a single game that does all the things BotW does.

>>376004067
Tell me how that has been done before. And besides, I've included things that represent both peaks and trends. It depends on the circumstances. And Breath of the Wild fits the circumstance.

>>376004249
Ah, "all the things". As in, is idendical to? Go fuck yourself and move those goalposts elsewhere.
>>376004252
Just Cause 2. It was the main selling point.
Elder Scrolls series. Quests my ass, I do what I want.

That was the point of most open world games.
>And besides, I've included things that represent both peaks and trends. It depends on the circumstances.

But the long-term impact of a peak can only be measured after the fact. We don't know yet if poeple will remember BotW in a year at all. Currently, it's helped by a weak competition, in the long run it'll have to hold up against the strong competition of the past. How it'll stack up is yet to be seen.

As such, the inclusion is premature.

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>>376004447
>Go fuck yourself and move those goalposts elsewhere.
But anon, I thought you said it's been done "lots of times before." You lied.
>We don't know yet if poeple will remember BotW in a year at all
Pretty sure all the game of the year awards will make people remember. Not to mention all the people that buys the game for another decade.

>>375999145
>Halo
>MW2
>TF2
>BotW
but no
>Skyrim
>Undertale
>Mighty Number 9
What do you even base importance on?

>>376004601
I didn't say they made the exact same game before. Because only the exact same game would do everything the game does.
> Pretty sure all the game of the year awards will make people remember.
Ahahahaha no.

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>>376004890
Okay, name a single open world game with the same kind of engine. Or an open world game with temperature, an open world game you can climb and fall down from fatigue, or any of the shit you see in these videos. >>376002816
If it's been done "lots of times before" it shouldn't be a problem.

DUDE OCARINA OF TIME LMAO

>>376004972
We're still talking about influencing the video games industry at large, no? It's a list of important games. Games with impact.

Which of those will the industry pick up then?

I mean, the industry didn't pick up "temperature in open world" after skyrim frostfall, so why would it now?

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>>376005196
>Games with impact.
Okay.

>>376005352
That's games with marketing, not games with impact.

Review quotes don't change the industry at large.

>>376005390
See you at GOTY awards!~

>>375999145
>no Pong

>>376005427
Yes, I'm sure "goty awards" measure the long-term impact of a game. They're totally not indicative of temporary hype, no sir.
>>376005467
No resident evil 4 either, neither any half-life game, and that's including counterstrike.

Halo 2 should be listed in addition to CE, since it brought online to consoles and outright invented a lot of the matchmaking systems games use now.

>>376005196
don't respond to shitposters

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>>376005506
>temporary hype
You can always measure a game's greatness by how much butthurt it causes. See - Bloodborne or BotW

>>376005584
But then Horizon is the champion. BotW fans bring it up themselves now.

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>>376005732
Nobody mentioned HZD, drone.

>>376005584
>Bloodborne
please, it sold as badly as horizon.

>>376005816
Except for >>376005584 and >>376002816

>>376005830
So? Still caused major butthurt when it came out.

>>375999145
>Mega Man 2
>Final Fantasy VI
>Earthbound
>Chrono Trigger
>Shenmue
>Metal Gear Solid
>Deus Ex
>Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

Remove these.

>Team Fortress 2

Not sure about this.

Add these:

>PONG
>Space Invaders
>Wizardry
>Ultima IV
>Portopia Serial Murder Case
>Wolfenstein 3-D
>Mortal Kombat
>Wii Sports
>Rouge
>Elite
>GTA III
>GTA San Andreas

POSSIBLY INCLUDE:

>Wing Commander
>Myst

It probably should have some RTS shit on there as well, but I can't think of what exactly off the top of my head.

SOURCE: I'm old as fuck. I've been playing games since PONG was out. I've seen every single trend in gaming history firsthand and I PROMISE you my list is accurate.

>>376001364
This poster is an idiot.

>>376004605
This is the worst post in the thread.

>>376005890
That's just saying HZD is a shit game. Are you dumb? Even when it came out nobody talked about it. /v/ was full of BotW threads.

>>376005906
>SOURCE: I'm old as fuck.
It shows. You have the origins down, but the modern changes are lost on the list.

>>376005906
>>Rouge

Fuck, I meant ROGUE.

>>376005992
I didn't add many modern games because OP covered almost all the ones that can be accurately considered "the most important".

>>376005982
>Even when it came out nobody talked about it.
You couldn't have threads about it because of shiposters, go figure. Still can't, as a matter of fact. That's how upset it makes people.
It isn't even bad. /v/ memed about it being a bad game when it's actually a solid 8/10. No one who played it calls it worse than okay.

>>375999386
One can argue that minecraft was the true force behind all of that.

>>376006183
>That's how upset it makes people
And why would people be upset about a shit open world game?

>>375999145
DOOM

damn OP you're really telling us exactly how old you are

remove halo
add ultima 4
add master of magic
add super metroid
add heroes of might and magic 3 (which directly inspired warcraft 3, which should also be there)

I dont have time to think about this a lot

>>376006232
Ask yourself. You probably haven't played it and call it shit.
It's probably because it looks better than Zelda and it released at the same time.

>>376006372
>add super Metroid

No.

Not OP, but just no.

It got fucking outsold by Metroid 1 AND 2, plus it was Symphony of the Night that popularized the formula, not any of the actual Metroid games.

>>376005906
you're a pretty clever oldfag, but most of the things you want to remove had a huge impact on people

I would only remove ff6 (and botw), I have NFI why people think this was a game changer, it was merely an incremental improvement

also we forgot star control 2

>>376005906
Fuck, I forgot about Daytona USA.

>>376006405
I've played a little. It sucked. My friend loves games like that, he only plays FIFA or cinematic games.
>It's probably because it looks better than Zelda
I don't think it does. Art direction always matters more than "moooore graphics!" Graphics like that only works on PC, anyway, otherwise the fps is too low.

>>376006468
>most of the things you want to remove had a huge impact on people

So does every fucking "popular" game. That doesn't make them "important".

>>376006372
>remove halo

The fuck outta here. For better or worse, it is THE reason FPSes are now a "console genre" instead of a "PC genre".

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>>376006624
Goldeneye did that, not Halo.

>>376006624
look, on his list he put halo and DIDNT put half life

which I assumed meant he was listing games that didn't directly harm the entire hobby by bringing more normies in (and I realize he put a military babysitter on the list, so even my criteria is wrong)

which means from here on out, we're going to be arguing about which games influenced which designers in which way, and whether that was a good thing

anyway, if you don't understand that megaman 2 and chrono trigger made huge changes to the way players and designers looked at the process, you're not paying attention at all

MGS and deus ex were shit, but they're the reason we have so many more games like them, that makes them more important than skyrim-tier trendy shit

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>>376006552
>Art direction always matters more than "moooore graphics!"
>it's not art direction if it also has many polygons and higher resolution textures
>it's only art direction if you completely dismiss contrast and shadows and add a green filter

>the fps is too low.
Oh, I wasn't sure if it was shitposting or not.

>>376006935
I'm sorry, did you have a point? HZD looks like any generic realistic game on PC. I don't buy those games on PC so why would it be impressive? I saw graphics like that in 2007.

>>376007026
Show me a comparison between HZD and the other games that look like it, then.

>>376007071
Take your pick. PC is full of generic photorealism games. I don't know why more devs don't focus more on art direction. Games like Okami still look nice today.

one final fantasy entry is enough, never heard about shenmue, never heard about dragon quest, and you should've added Faster than light (because its the progenitor of the roguelike genre on the market) and Hearthstone (because its the best and most popular card-slinging game out there)

>>375999145
>>Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

This is bait. Move along.

skyrim qualifies in this list because of the sheer ammount of mods that revolve around it. The community and the *build-your-own-game* kind of vide are what makes me keep returning to skyrim and if you say otherwise you are complete and utter retard

>>376007193
>Hearthstone
No. If anything, Magic Online.

>>376000258
>>375999956
Undertales success is unlikely to grow into anything. It had a lot more going for it than "interesting indie game", as it had homestucks fanbase on board before it even existed.

Minecraft proved indie could be big. Undertale was wildly successful, but not in a way that can be replicated so it won't change the industry.

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>>376007180
>Take your pick
Of what? You haven't showed anything.
Here's ARMA 3 next to HZD. Looks pretty different.

>>376007413
Except at least 15 other games did this before Skyrim you millennial mongoloid

>>376007193
I think the idea is to focus on the games that cemented a concept so thoroughly in people's imaginations that it branched out into many new and better versions

there are only a few games that are so well crafted that they are both an ancestor of their genre, and also an excellent representation of it at this moment in time

in fact, doom and tetris are the only ones that perfectly fulfill that criteria, in my opinion

but regardless of where you draw the line on importance, the newest version of something doesn't belong. so no skyrim, no hearthstone, etc

and you've never heard of dragon quest huh

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>>376007487
ARMA 3 looks better I suppose but that's about it. I prefer stylized games for this reason. HZD in general just feels like they picked some generic concept art designs by some fag.
>oooh robot dinosaurs, sooo original

>>376007503
Counter-Strike should fit perfectly for that.

>>376006767
Halo popularized a lot of things like health regen, weapon limits, dedicated grenade and melee buttons, as well as singlehandedly selling xbox live.

>>376007476
Magic online is garbage
and is unpopular
Hearthstone has an actual ladder system, and monthly competitions
its so competitive that it can keep up with games like dota 2

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>>376007679
Yeah, but it didn't make console FPS a thing. Goldeneye did. Halo was always just an overrated turd like HL2 anyway.

>>376007679
Maybe it sold in America, but in europe and for poorfags like me, the main FPS game was still CS

>>376007476
Hearthstone spawned like a dozen card games with really similar systems, and has been the goto casual game for a long while

>>376007667
not old enough

I could list 20+ games that are 'pretty old' and are still amazing versions of their genre

and CS doesn't have this problem, but there are games like master of magic, that doesn't have worldwide recognition, but this game drove people so batshit to have more, that developers still (and fail) try to create a new version of it on a yearly basis

Vice City is my favorite GTA
but III was the one that turned shit on its heels

>>376007756
I wasn't the guy that said it made it a console genre for the record. But it deserves the spot more than goldeneye because its influence is felt across so many games today.

I also think HL2 was crap though, nice to find someone else who agrees for once.

>>376007764
Yeah, but CS went nowhere other than more CS games. Whether you like it more or its a better game or not is irrelevant. It had fairly limited impact on the industry so it wasn't all that important. This is a list of important/impactful games, not good ones.

ET should be on the list. It literally crashed the industry and brought upon a glorious rebirth.

>>376007608
>>oooh robot dinosaurs, sooo original
>oooh goblins with clubs, sooo original
I think you should stop using "stylized" until you realize what it means. Funny you'd post Persona 5, a game with anime aesthetics when Tales of, Fire Emblem, a majority of JRPGs and at least 90% of VNs has the same style.

>but that's about it
Okay, that's the last reply I'll give you.

Silent Hill

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>>375999145
>important games

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>>376007970
>But it deserves the spot more than goldeneye
No, it doesn't. Halo wasn't even the game that did all those things. Once FPS games went multiplat they were all dumbed down.
>>376008029
They're not goblins, anon. Try harder when you shitpost. This is getting sad.

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>>376008034
This.

Also: Dark Souls. The game that inspired clone after clone. I'd have said Demon's Souls, but while it proved the formula that Dark Souls went with could work and find international appeal, it was Dark Souls that went multi-plat and catapulted the Souls series to stardom with buckets of memes that made it self-perpetuating.

But more importantly: WHERE THE FUCK IS SLASHY SOULS?

>>375999145
>No GTA

dropped

>>376008287
Sorry, bokoblins. Deformed humanoids with a non-human skin color, large noses and ears, primal life style and hostile towards the MC. Unique to the Zelda franchise.

>>376006767
Not even close. During the 5th gen FPSes were still seen as a console genre and nearly all of the games in the genre were PC exclusive save for a few N64 games and a handful of console ports.

>>375999145
>Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
ahhahhhahahahhahahaha

no

fuck off shill

>>376006810
this entire post is wrong

Persona 3

Companies that started making video games because of Space Invaders:
Nintendo
Namco
Konami
Irem
SNK
Data East

Before Space Invaders, the only two game devs were Taito and Sega

>>375999145
ultima
wizardry
>listing any jrpg shit other than ff7

>>376008883
*only two Jap game devs

Disfustibg

>>375999145
Demon's Souls.
It inspired a genre that has more games in production than fucking arena fps or rts.

>>376009108
>le souls genre
you dumb fucking cunts

>>376009146
Not liking it doesn't make it untrue, crybaby.

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>>375999386
This

Also
>No Quake
>No counter strike(/half life)
>No rhytm games(dance games are still big af)
>No driving games what so ever
>No management games and a general massive lack of simulation games

It's a start but this list is incomplete as fuck

Who you tribute for RTS? Dune? Warcraft 2? C&C? They all played a big part in the birth of the genre

>>375999145

I don't think that's a bad list, but I'd add a few more:

>Warcraft 3
>Quake
>Demon Souls
>MAYBE Cave Story
>Maybe Silent Hill?

They're not all the additions that need to be added, but they're the ones I can think of at the moment.

>>375999145
>No demon's souls/dark souls/bloodborne
>No Kingdom hearts 1/2
>No Uncharted
>No Resident Evil
>No Silent Hill
Otherwise ok list

>>376010709
you're fucking retarded if you think those games were nearly as big of a deal as the others in this thread

>>375999145
Why FF6 over any of its predecessors?
Why Vice City over GTA3?
Dragon Quest 3 should be there too.

>>376002065
>Dragon quest is essentially the same as pokemon except with better designs and story, and considering its relatively small global fanbase, Id give the edge to pokemon
You can not have a list of most influential games without Dragon Quest. It started the entire JRPG subgenre,

>>376005906
I actually forgot about Mortal Kombat.
It was the whole reason the ESRB exists today.

>>376005906
>It probably should have some RTS shit on there as well, but I can't think of what exactly off the top of my head.
Starcraft probably. Maybe WC3 for popularizing MOBAS

>>376013397
Nah starcraft was nothing groundbreaking, it just perfected the genre in classic-Blizzard fashion (daily reminder do NOT support nu-blizzard). Birth of genre mention goes to either Dune or C&C, Warcraft 2 was the first to add skills/depth to micro IIRC.

Warcraft 3 definitely belongs on the list

Dark Souls needs to be on the list, it hasn't really obviously influenced game design that much (except the blatant clones), but in pretty much all games community, critics and dev circles "Souls Souls Souls" is talked about non-stop. Demon's Souls should get the praise, but sadly it's talked about far less (a "huge souls fan" I was talking to at uni hadn't even heard of it).

Uncharted 2 also deserves to be on the list, it massively influenced games of the 2010's mostly in ways /v/ hates, but the influence is still there. It's where the whole "character constantly talks" trope came from (and sadly only Uncharted seems to do it and not sound stupid) as well as huge production value cutscenes and acting, and the crazy set peice gameplay. Like Demon's Souls uncharted 1 did most of that first, but less polished and no one really took notice.

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Wii sports should be on the list at well. The impact it had was tremendous. Both for motion controls and started the "casual" gamer. From little kid to grandma.

Maybe put "Snake" in there as well for casual mobile gaming